Massive QB Superflex Value Changes | Dynasty Trade Block + Chat Q&A (Ep. 252) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, everybody. Welcome into the trade Block our discord show.
I am Ryan Warmley, joined as I am every month
by Pat Fitz Morris Fitz. How are you doing here?
First day of July?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I know, man, doesn't it seem like we're pretty much
at the starting blocks for the football season. Like I
always feel like things go really fast after the fourth
of July, Like draft season is upon us in no time.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
So these next six seven weeks are just gonna fly.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, fourth of July is kind of the milestone marker
of Okay, you're really in it now. I feel like
it doesn't really escalate until like like there's a difference
to me between like the second half of August and
like the second half of July. But it is all
still draft season, like you are in and now Scott
Fish Bowl drafts are happening. You know, people are still

(00:51):
talking dynasty. Obviously that's what we're here to do. Is
it is very much into the just thinking about fantasy
season for everybody, not just the dynasty managers.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yes, absolutely, I mean no, not just dynasty redraft, pretty
much everything you know dynasty.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
You've had your.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Draft and everything, and it's sort of a holding pattern
or whatever. But I mean, you definitely have to start
staying attuned to NFL news because it is going to
start flying at us really quickly at the end of
the month.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Well, and don't handwave away. You know that the Dynasty
drafts that still are going on, because there are still
startups that are happening. There are people out there. I
get questions every now and then for people in the
rookie draft still even here in late you know, it
was late June and now getting into early July. So
just because the bulk of it come in May doesn't
mean that's all of them. So that's why we're still

(01:41):
rocking and rolling, yeah with this show.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Of course, I.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Just answered one in discord someone was debating between Jalen
Milroe and Elec iomanor you know, tough one for me.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Two guys are really.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Like, Yeah, there are startups going on, no question. It
is still a pretty busy time for Dynasty.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, and you get a lot more information now than
you in May, just kind of seeing some of those
early reports and just more time to think about it.
So interesting to wait on those let's dive in. We're
gonna do what we always do, which is react to
the latest update to our Dynasty Trade value chart, which
did drop earlier today because it is July first, So
this is of course the July update. We update this
every single month all year long, off season, in season,

(02:20):
doesn't matter. This is getting updated the first of every
month throughout the calendar year. So we're gonna run through,
kind of react to some names that stand out to us,
Guys that moved up, moved down, guys that didn't move,
but we thought should have just kind of general reactions
to update here, and then in the second half of
the show, as always, we'll dive into the audience questions.
Those can be chats that are written in here. They

(02:41):
can also, of course be guys who are raising their
hand to come up on the stage. We'll take those
as well. In the second half of the show. Fits,
let's start where we always do at quarterback, and I
was kind of messaging you earlier, you know, just kind
of gauge where you wanted this conversation to go, because
this time of year there are the most updates, Right,

(03:02):
There's only so much that can really happen in June
to make us evaluate these players, especially these veterans that
we already really know who they are differently. I did
want to highlight one, I think kind of major change
which is not individual to one specific quarterback, but to
the position as a whole. There were huge drops in

(03:25):
value in our superflex value. So if you look at
the chart, you can see trade value, you can see
super flex value in the quarterback section, of course, which
is going to be more because they're worthway more in superflex,
and then you can see the change. And if you
look at kind of where the changes were made, some
of these quarterbacks went up in one QB value. The

(03:45):
guys at the top, actually, Jane Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen,
Joe Burrow, their numerical value rose three to five points
in one QB, but it dropped in superflex. And it
wasn't just them that dropped in superflex. Everybody did. They dropped,
you know, Lamar Jackson dropped five points, Jane Daniels dropped eight.
If you get further down, Herbert dropped seventeen, Stroud dropped seventeen.

(04:07):
Everybody across the board dropped value in super flex. What
was the thinking behind that?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, we've been tinkering with the quarterback position a lot,
and this was maybe kind of an overdue overhaul of
the positional values. So quarterback in one QB versus super
flex obviously hugely important. In superflex, the laws of supply
and demand are just so different, and so we had,

(04:35):
you know, pumped up the super flex values to the
point where I think they were a little overjuiced, and
we wanted to sort of bring them back into line
with the realities of the market. So the reductions were
a little less for the guys at the top Jade Daniels,
Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. Then we kind of

(04:57):
docked the mid tier guys a little bit more, just
to bring them down because yeah, super flex is important,
but so are the studs at the non quarterback positions,
the guys like obviously you know Jamar Chase, ceed Lamb,
Justin Jefferson, those types, but also like you know, the
a Chans and the Ashton Genty and you know Drake

(05:22):
London and those guys. And we thought maybe we should
not have some of the mid tier quarterbacks. I don't know,
it didn't think it was sound to have like Trevor
Lawrence maybe be more valuable than Drake London, like a
little bit of a rethink on that, or Baker Mayfield
more valuable than Drake London. Like, heads up, worm, who

(05:45):
would you rather have in a super flex league, Baker
Mayfield or Drake lon And let's say you had three
starting quarterbacks, So that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
You always want.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Three, And I guess that's going to matter in the calculus,
But I don't know. I think Drake London is more
valuable overall than Baker Mayfield, even in superflex.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Well let me let me let me ask you this, then, Fitz,
is your intent and I know this is a collaborative effort,
but is your intent when kind of addressing these these
values to reflect the reality of making trades in dynasty
leagues or is it to reflect your kind of mathematical

(06:26):
or otherwise analysis on how it should be approached, Because
I think the case you're laying out for lowering and
in some cases lowering significantly, the super flex values of
these quarterbacks makes a lot of sense. Like I think
you're right, like in a vacuum, assuming you're set at
the other positions, is set well enough at the other positions.
I do think somebody like Drake London I'd rather have

(06:47):
than Baker mayfield, but in practice, in where I shouldn't
say practice, in reality, when I am trying to execute
trades in any super flex dynasty league I have ever
been in, it is a near impossible to acquire quarterbacks
and there is always a premium even over what kind
of in a vacuum the value would look like. So

(07:09):
the way we kind of had it before, where the
super flex values were maybe a little bit supercharged, is
probably more reflective of the way trading actually gets done,
just in my experience. Maybe that's anecdotal, fits I'm curious
what your experience is, but for me, it really does
feel like it is there is such a premium to
get them that may making it more correct, is maybe

(07:29):
less accurate to how you can actually execute these trades
in your real leagues. What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, I hear you, And it is kind of a
push pull on that, and sometimes it is like really
like pulling teeths to try to get a quarterback from
someone via trade. But just as far as the the
realities of the market, I think with our adjustment, we
are a little closer to that. I think we did
have the super flex values choosed a little too much

(07:57):
and just I'm kind of glad you brought this up
as like a high level objective for the trade value chart. Like,
on one hand, I think our first priority is to
come up with values that do reflect the realities of
what people are, our listeners and viewers are finding out
in the in the dynasty streets, as far as like

(08:20):
what it takes to acquire player X, will trading player
Y and player Z be enough for trader Like, we
want the values to be pretty much in line with
like what it takes to pull off trades, but at
the same time, we also want to give it a
little bit of our own spin and and maybe give
a little more value to the guys that you know,

(08:41):
Debro and Ericson and I collectively like a lot Drake
May for instance. You know, guy Ericson and I both
really love and have been you know, honking our horns
for for some time, and maybe like deflating just a
little bit. Some of the guys were not quite as
high on but like, we don't want to trash guys,

(09:01):
Like really, you can look at that philosophical philosophically, what
is a player's value and part of it is what
he does and how many points he produces. But part
of it is like market value and perception is as
important as reality and dynasty, so we want to like,
we want both things to factor in, of course, and

(09:24):
get accurate values as much as possible. But yeah, we
do want to put a little bit of our own
spin on it, so that you know, the guys we
think are going to return maybe more value than the
market overall believes. We want to give those guys a
little bit of extra juice, but not do it in
such a way that you know, you're going to use

(09:46):
our value chart and take trade offers to people and
they're going to look at you like you have a
third eye growing out of your forehead. You know what
I mean? Does that make sense? Like we want, we
want the everything to be realistic, maybe just little extra
dash of spice for the guys we like, and you know,
maybe a slight deflation of the guys who are not

(10:06):
as into.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I think there should be a balance of kind of
those two approaches when thinking about it. First of all,
when you're talking about people here at Fantasy Pros who
are very high in Drake May, I want you to
start including my name because I have been very much
on that train with you from the beginning, especially in
our regular show with you, me and Bogman, We've been
we've been seeing those praises for a while now.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Erickson came to mind because he's a Patriots fan, which
is fair and it's not just a product of his
fandom either, though he has realistically been pretty high on
may from the get go.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
I want to ask you if there's a specific name
that you really want to highlight, we can dive into
it there. There weren't any that really stood out to
me as guys that moved so much that I wanted
to talk about them, which is why I'm kind of
for the quarterback position taking the more higher level approach.
I did want to quickly ask, and we've touched on
this point before in the past, but now that we've
made this big change with the with the super flex values,

(11:01):
I thought it was interesting to note that some of
these players moved a lot more proportionally in superflex than
they did in one QB, and in fact, some of
them might have gone up in value in one QB
and down in superflex. And I wondered if you could
speak to your approach for trying to determine quarterback value

(11:25):
between the two and the types of players that you
see as I want to be higher on them in
one QB versus lower on superflex Who are the types
of quarterbacks? That really changes your calculation personally when you're
trying to put together these values.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Like we want to adequately reflect the market in one QB,
which the difference makers at the position are still pretty
valuable relative to other non quarterbacks, guys who can move
the needle Jade and Daniels, Lamar, Jackson, Josh all Typically

(12:01):
the guys who run to a lesser extent, you know,
Joe Burrow, who's a just phenomenal pocket passer, Jalen Hurts
obviously with what he does as a runner.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
And then that's kind of it.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I mean Patrick Mahomes has been you know, low level
starter caliber. Like we feel like those five guys make
a big difference for you, and we didn't quite. I
think we kept Jalen Hurts one QB value pretty much
the same, but we gave a little boost to Daniels,
Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and because those guys

(12:35):
are are coveted even in one QB. But then beyond that,
I mean, guys are are pretty fungible, you know, just
because of the laws of supply and demand. And it's
different in dynasty than it is in redraft.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Like I think.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
In one there's more supply of quarterbacks in one QB
dynasty than there is in one QB redraft, simply because
like youth is an advantage in one QB dynasty. So
whereas you might have just no interest in having Michael
Pennox junior cam Ward on your team in a one
QB redraft leg you might be really interested in having

(13:15):
those guys at least as backups on your one QB
dynasty team because they might have greater future value.

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backs next. I want to go to the tight ends
next because there's been a lot of news actually happening
in the tight end position. We're getting some questions about
tight ends already in the chat, and I just want

(14:30):
to kind of address that position maybe earlier than we
normally would, because of really two pieces of news that
have come in the last couple of days. One of
them is, of course, the major trade between Pittsburgh and Miami,
but the other came earlier today, and that's why I
want to start with Darren Waller. We had some conversations
kind of behind the scenes in our Fantasy Pro slack

(14:50):
channels about and I say we, I mean the Analyst team,
you know, about Darren Waller and this trade to Miami,
who now, of course has his vacancy because Johnny Smith
is gone. It's a really wide open, tight end depth chart.
And Jona Smith's just had this breakout year. So it's
easy from those two, you know, data points to paint

(15:10):
the case of being very excited about Darren Waller. It's
also very easy to paint the case against him, given
the age, how long it's been since his last successful season,
the fact that he was retired and is coming out
of retirement. You know, our friend Scott Pianowski likes to say, like,
once the cheese has gone bad, it usually doesn't get
on bad. I'm butchering that phrase, but that essential sentiment
is what he goes for. That kind of seems like

(15:32):
it might apply to Darren Waller here, right, once the
cheese has gone bad, it's not coming.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Back, absolutely correct.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
His last really good season was in twenty twenty, like
that five years ago. I mean, doesn't this have a
Josh Gordon type feel? To you worm like where people
continue to chase. I mean, I guess this has been
Darren Waller out of sight, out of.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Mind for a little while.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
But people continue to chase Josh Gordon long after he
had turned in his last really productive season because the
highs of that last really good season for Josh Gordon
were so high that people kept chasing the dragon there
and thought they might get another one.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I plug Darren Waller into my Dynasty rankings this morning.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
I put him at tight end sixty eight, and our
chart only covers about forty six players, so yeah, he
would not move the needle at all. He turns thirty
three right at the start of the twenty twenty five
NFL season, hasn't given us any sort of difference making
production for a long time, And yeah, I'm pretty skeptical

(16:38):
he's gonna be a difference maker in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
If you're in a tight end premium format though, which
a lot of Dynasty leagues are, are you at least
like putting in a very small fab you know, just
trying to get him with a bid. I mean, looking
at some of these names that we have on the chart.
I know you said you have him in the sixties,
so clearly he's lower than these names. But like, if
I'm a win now team and it's tight end premium
and it's a position of need for me and I

(17:05):
you know, I guess the way I would phrase it
like this, and I know I'm kind of stumbling around.
I would put it like this, There is very likely
going to be somebody on the back end of your roster.
Unless you're in a pretty shallow dynasty format, there's very
likely some wide receiver or running back at the back
end of your roster that you're going to be cutting
a year from now anyway. And it's just a lottery ticket.

(17:25):
So if you're a tight end premium, given that there
is this wide open room in the depth chart, and
he has been a good tight end at some point
in the past, what's to say that's not a worthwhile
lottery ticket as opposed to some other lottery ticket that
probably they're all probably not going to hit. But in
the right format, could you make the case, I mean,
even comparing to other tight ends, Like if you're a

(17:46):
win now team, do you really care about like Thomas
Fidone or Gavin Bartholomew. I'm looking this are some of
the names we have on the chart. Those are not
needle movers either.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
No, so, and you know we're I think it would
be folly to assume that Darren Waller is going to
have any value beyond twenty twenty five. So it's basically
what you think he could do for you in twenty
twenty five. And I know when I plugged him into
my redraft rankings, I put him at tight end forty.
We just did a Fantasy pros Football show with more

(18:17):
of our regular show with more of a redraft angle
with Joe Dolan of Fantasy Points. He said, the Fantasy
Points crew has Darren Waller projected at tight end thirty
three for this season, and they actually juiced that up.
He originally came in right around tight end forty and
they added a little to it. So, I mean, could
that maybe make him worth rostering and tight end premium?

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I guess he is going to get bid on. There
will be fab bids. I think even in non tight
end premium leagues. Do I think it's worth it in
a non tight end premium league. No do I In
a tight end premium league, I'd maybe throw a few
bucks at him if your tight end situation was pretty
bad if you don't have already like two good ones.
But think about it, worm, even on Miami, where's he

(19:03):
going to rank in the target packing at quarter at best,
fourth behind Tyreek Hill, Jayden Waddle, and Devon ah Chan,
possibly lower than that if you know Malik Washington or
Nick Westbrook Akine have any sort of impact is a
third wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
I am on a very very much like deep into
a rebuild in one of my leagues that is tight
end premium. I have Trey McBride and nobody else at
tight end literally like no, I mean there. I have
other names with there like basically all not playable. So
it's one of those things where the fab resets at
the start of the year, so like I have two

(19:39):
months to spend it or lose it. So I am
putting in a bid for him in that format because
in that you know, if you're a win now, obviously
you can kind of try and paint the case if
you believe he could do something this year, and then
if you're not win now, but if you're in just
upside like ideally he has a hot month and I
can sell him for like a fourth round rookie, right, like,

(20:00):
just get something better than nothing is kind of the approach.
I mean, theoretically, it could be higher than that, right
if he really does hit in a way that we
don't expect, but tight end premium on going for him
the trade that opened up the spot for him, though,
I want to ask you about too. John ou Smith
obviously coast to Pittsburgh reuniting with Arthur Smith, to the
delight of social media managers everywhere coming up with their

(20:22):
funniest you know, bits and memes, you know, reacting to
the news of that we have John ou Smith. Let
me check here twenty seconds in the Dynasty trade value chart,
and he's just a hair of value behind Pat Fryarmuth John,
who is a twenty two value. Friarmuth is a twenty
three value. They are tight ended twenty and tighten tied

(20:45):
for twenty one, respectively. How are you approaching both of
those guys in your Dynasty leagues after this trade?

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I think the trade value chart pretty accurately reflects like
what my approach is with those guys, So I think
they could have some value because Arthur Smith does tend
to tight ends are pretty heavily involved in his passing game,
and there's not a lot of firepower a wide.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Receiver for the Steelers beyond dk Metcalf.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
But obviously those guys are going tonecap each other to
some degree, and I think that kind of ticks them.
It keeps them from having tight end one upside in
the here and now.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
I think these rankings are pretty accurate, and if anything,
I might be inclined to maybe have John who ranked
a little lower than this, maybe like behind Brenton Strange,
who at least is a young guy who is currently
his team's tight end one.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
One other tight end. Notice, want to highlight you guys
finally listen to me every month, I feel like I
come on here and say, the gap Betune brock power
isn't everybody else isn't wide enough. We finally widened it
a bit. In tight end premium, he is now twenty
points higher than McBride, which actually, like might even be like,
I love McBride, so that is like kind of stunning
to look at, but I find it hard to argue.
He's also now fifteen points of value ahead of McBride

(22:09):
in just a regular format, not even tight end premium.
But I think the big thing is that in tight
end premium, he is now valued as higher than every
receiver except Jefferson and Chase, and he's valued as higher
than every running back. To me, that is correct, like
he would be if you strictly based off the value

(22:30):
that we have on this chart, in a superflex tight
end premium format, there would be six quarterbacks and two receivers,
and then he would be the pick. And I think
that's more appropriate than where he was ranked.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
But previously I agree.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
And you know, even though for Bowers, tight end premium
really only even for Bowers, who derives so much of
his value or did last year anyway, from catch volume
reception volume, the gain in tight end premium is about
twenty two percent. I think it was for brock Powers.

(23:01):
So just to I just want to make sure people
do not make the mistake of thinking that tight end
premium boosts a tight ends value by one and a half,
by one hundred and fifty percent.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
That's not how it goes.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Because tight ends get rewarded for three things, for receptions,
fore yardage, and for touchdowns. Tight End premium only bumps
them for the receptions, so it is not a one
and a half multiplier for tight ends. It's realistically it's
right around twenty percent for most guys, a little higher
than that for Bowers.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I want to highlight some questions we have in the
chat before we get to the other positions in the
trade valued charges, because they are tight end related. So
Bunting asks, he says, I had essentially zero faith in
a repeat big year out of John U, but drug
my feet on dealing him. Now he's stuck with John Hu,
Friarmouth and Hockinson in a non tight end premium league.
Do we think this move is an upgrade? I feel

(23:56):
like there's no way to upgrade from the targets he
had last year. In the attempts to preserve two. We
kind of already hit on. That fits in terms of
where you talked about him in the rankings. But do
you see John who essentially as a hold or would
you sell low on him, which is what Bunting asks. No.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I just told Bunting, so I think people will see
it as a complete gutting of John Whu's value.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
And I don't think.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
That's necessarily the case because there's so little wide receiver
for the Steelers. But it is pretty hard to spin
it in a positive way. And yeah, I mean, I
I kind of think that no matter what JOHNU was
in for some sort.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Of value decrease, because I just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
I don't see Miami continuing on with to a tongue
of I loa averaging five point seven intended air yards
per throw, like with this ultra short passing game Miami
was using last year when two years ago to his
average aeryards per throw was nine point five yards. Going
from nine point five to five point seven, that is

(24:58):
like an entirely different looking offense. And obviously it was
part of the tou of preservation program after he came
back from his concussion last year. That spiked the pass
catching value of Devon a Chen and John News Smith
And you know, I just I think they're going to
at least try to restore some of the verticality in
that offense this year. So no matter what, John News

(25:19):
value is going to drop a little bit. And now
I think it drops maybe a little bit more than
we were anticipating with the move to Pittsburgh needs more.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Cow Bell asked us about Darren Waller, we already hit on.
He also asked us about another tight end Mason Taylor,
who we have fifteenth in the straight value chart amongst
tight ends, a numerical value of twenty eight in regular
formats and then tight end premium numerical value of thirty four.
He asks, in a rookie draft, is the two oh
five too early to take Mason Taylor? This is in

(25:47):
tight end premium. He's wondering whether he trades back and
risks it. He's tight end needy. His starter is currently
Tyler Higbee in a tight end premium format, but he'd
be passing up guys like Higgins, Harris or Besh in
that range. Think fits.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I'm cool with it in tight end premium. I think
that's about where he should go. Would you agree war him?
I mean a guy who granted like he did not
put up eye popping numbers at LSU, but you know,
considering where where the Jets drafted Mason Taylor and how
little else they have at the on the depth chart
at tight end, there should be immediate opportunity there.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
So like, I like it.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I think that's a good spot for him, and given
his neediness at tight end, yeah, I think he's a
fine pick at two oh five.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, I found myself really going back and forth really
all rookie draft season on Taylor, Arroyo and Ferguson. I
like all of them to varying degrees for varying reasons,
and I think especially the I think second round picks
in general tend to get overvalued in Dynasty because a
lot of the times we talk ourselves into especially in

(26:54):
the second half, which I know two of five is
not in the back half or the second round, but
that that kind of midded second round to back. I
feel like there are definitely gems you can find, but
a lot of those guys miss Every year. I look
back on some of the second round picks I've made
over the years and not these were not reaches at
the time, at least they weren't considered reaches. These were
like consensus picks, and a lot of them don't pan out.

(27:17):
So if I have a real need, which you do,
if Tyler Higgbe is your starter and it's tight end premium,
I do not see the two of five as like
too high or risky like, even though I do like
Besh and Higgins and Harris, I think it's totally justifiable
to take the position that he's highly valued in this
format and that you really need.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you there.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
All right, let's quickly run through running backs and receivers.
And I say quickly just because there's not really a
ton of changes going on. There is one receiver you
want to highlight before we get to that. Let's get
to the running backs. Though, anybody stand out to you
here fits that's even really worth spending time. We spent
so much time on the guys at the top. We
spend so much time on the rookies and where they
fit in. Isn't a lot of movement between this chart

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and the last one. Does anybody stand out to you
that's worth hitting on?

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah? I mean one guy we should maybe talk about
a little bit warm is Rashie Rice, who we gave
a boost to. And I'm looking in the chat right now,
and Bunting has an interesting comment. Bunting says that I've
always loved using the Fantasy pros trade chart as a
gauge against how the experts feel. To gauge how the
experts feel and pin that against the general market. You

(28:28):
will get a little bit of our opinion with the
trade values here. But I think maybe Rashi Rice was
a case where we've sort of felt compelled to move
things up based on the way the market is moving
on him. And I know I'm probably the holdout with
Rashie Rice and maybe not valuing him quite as much

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as Deebro and Erickson, but we did give him a
five point value boost.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
He was the biggest mover in our trade value chart.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
I believe at the wide receiver position, there's the Xavier
Worthy factor and the fact that if you look and
include the playoff games for the Chiefs, that in Xavier
Worthy's last eight games he had fifty catches, so he
was producing at a one hundred catch plus pace over
the latter part of the season, and I know he

(29:19):
was kind of doing that late in the season in
the Rashi Rice roll. Now, Rice is going to be
back in his old role and Xavier Worthy is probably
going to be more of a vertical receiver this year,
but I still think Worthy is going to earn targets
in that role and maybe prevent Rashi Rice from having
the same sort of value we had before the injury

(29:42):
last year, and before he got hurt in Week four
or whatever, Rashi Rice was like wide receiver two in
PPR scoring maybe even wide receiver one.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
I can't remember one of those two.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
So anyway, like I do think Rashi Rice is going
to be somewhat affected by the Jinsu Xavier Worthy last season.
But maybe I don't know. Maybe I was. I was
thinking I was undervaluing Rashi Rice basically, and based on

(30:13):
the way people are treating him in Dynasty and the
way some of the trades I've seen in the leagues
I'm in involving Rashi Rice. We had to give him
a bomp, I think and get him into the top twenty.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
First of all, for everybody listening, no you didn't miss here.
I did say running backs, and then Fitz jumped us
to Rashi Rice, which.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Did I'm sorry about that, warm I thought you were
just saying I just giving you a hard time.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Oh my bad.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
No, there really was. There really wasn't anybody on the
running back side that had major moves this time around,
so that was very fair to move ahead. I just
was needling you a bit. I agree with Rice as
a good player to highlight though, because he is among
and in fact, he might be number one on the
list of guys that I would find toughest to rank
right now, because there is such an interesting case to

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be made on the pros, and to me, it's such
a compelling case to be made on the con side.
And it's not even one hundred percent about Xavier Worthy,
because I do think they can be used, you know,
very complimentary of each other. It's just that there's so
many different things if you're painting the picture against Strice
that you could list. It's not any one thing. It's

(31:20):
the possibility of this this Worthy breakout, you know, dipping
into those targets. It's the fact that the offense has
not been as prolific in the last couple of years.
This is not a one year sample size anymore. This
is a multi year thing. And I know the chiefs
are talking about like they kind of want to come
back with a vengeance here, but we don't know a
hundred percent that they will. It's coming off of a

(31:41):
significant injury, and I never want to be the guy
that is too optimistic about an injured player coming off,
you know, a really major operation. It's the fact that
there is this you know, kind of looming element of
the legal issues, which appear to be fine for this year,
but we're talking dynasty, and who knows if and when
that comes back around to hurt you, or if that's

(32:02):
something that you know he doesn't grow out of, or
whatever it is. So having said all that, he was awesome.
He looked like a league winner at the beginning of
last year. Really, since the second half of his rookie season,
he's looked like one of the best receivers in fantasy.
So I totally see the case in both directions. Do
you think he's eighteenth most valued right now? Really he's
tied for sixteenth with Travis Hunter and T Higgins. Do

(32:23):
you think that's the right spot for him in terms
of if we're trying to incorporate not just your rankings
but the market value. I know you kind of hit
on that a little the beginning of talking about Rice.
Does eighteenth sound right to you? I mean, some of
the names ahead of him, I don't think you could
really make a case in my opinion, to move him up, certainly,
like ahead of a T. Higgins, Travis Hunter, Ted McMillan,

(32:46):
Garrett Wilson, like these are all guys that I definitely
have ahead of Rice. Maybe you feel differently, but the
guys behind him I also don't know that there's a
really strong case to move him down. It's a lot
of like you're imagining the upside on Roma Dunza. You know,
Mecca Buka is a rookie. We haven't seen it yet.
Davante Smith is stuck as the wide receiver two in
his own offense. Jordan Addison same thing, Worthy's in that
same offense. Zay Flowers I think is a little overrated

(33:08):
on the fantasy side. So those are the several names
right after Rice, which I don't know that there's a
strong case move him down. So maybe I'm kind of
talking myself into eighteen. Maybe it's actually not that difficult
to rank him in eighteen is just the right spot.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, I mean I've got him a wide receiver twenty two.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
I'm lagging our So.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Who are those names that are ahead of him?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Then I have Addison ahead of him, Like, I think
Addison's fantastic, but I know people are maybe relocked into
fully buying Addison because he plays with Justin Jefferson and
because we haven't seen JJ McCarthy play in the NFL yet.
I still have o'doonza ahead of Rashi Rice. Oh yeah,

(33:49):
Rice is ahead of him on our value chart, I
do have DeVante Smith ahead of Raschi Rice, and I
do have I actually have Xavier Worthy one spot ahead
of Rashi Rice and Okay, so a lot of book
immediately behind for sheet Rice.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Okay, yeah, I think maybe I'm I'm not as high
on Rice as like Debro for example, and I think
ericson but I think maybe I'm a little bit higher
than you in that case. Before we move on to
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(34:27):
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We'll get to some of these questions here. We've just
got one hand raise, so we'll go ahead and start there,
and I'll get to some questions in the chat I'll

(34:49):
bring up herbs and cheese here.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Hey guys, how you're doing?

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Hey doing well? Thanks for calling in.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Let me so I drop my team in the chat
real quick. I have an interesting ray that's hard to
value a little bit because of the rules that are
a little different in our league. So we've switched this
off season too a quarter point per rush and that
counts towards quarterbacks as well. So looking at my team,
I have a pretty deep quarterback room, but don't have

(35:18):
the biggest upside with I mean, my top guy being Kyler,
but Rick may JJ Stafford all being good options. But
I have a potential trade where I could trade Stafford
and mccardley to get up to the top of the
first round this year and then flip that pick for
Justin Fields and Garrett Wilson. So that Justin Fields with

(35:41):
a quarter point per rush is kind of where I'm
struggling to figure out if that's good value. I know
McCarthy I'd rather have long term for sure, but I'm
not sure how much to value that rushing upside for
this one season. When it's to me looking at the league,
it's me and one other team as the pretty clear
top two contenders, So kind of would leverage just for

(36:04):
going more all in the season if you think that
could be a big enough boost in a league that's
formated like that.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
So ultimately it would be turning JJ McCarthy and Matthew
Stafford into Justin Fields and Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I think I like it.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Would you say you're you're in it to win it
this year herbs and cheese?

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Yeah, I mean I'm set up pretty well for I
can more this year more kind of long term. I
have two first and twenty six that should be early
from other teams, and then like my twenty seven picks
and all of that, so I'm pretty set up for
both and long.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Term right now.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, I think I do it.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
I Mean the only reason I would hesitate is because
I don't know if Justin Field is still going to
be a starter in the league two years from now.
I mean, we've got some really good quarterback classes coming
up the next two years and that might be what
pushes Justin Fields out. But then again, we know Stafford's
not going to be around anymore, and you know who
knows if JJ McCarthy, we think he's going to be

(37:13):
the long term starter in Minnesota, but who really knows so,
and the fact that you are getting Garrett Wilson, who
should be a very good receiver for a long time,
softens any future blow I guess of now any gap
in the future value between JJ McCarthy and Justin Fields.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
So I'm on board with that.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
I think it makes you stronger now for sure, and
you know, doesn't really hurt you that much, if at all,
in the future. So I'm on board. How do you
feel warm?

Speaker 1 (37:44):
I think your evaluation of this trade one hundred percent
comes down to what you think about JJ McCarthy, because
I think everybody else we're pretty certain what they're bringing
to the table in the short and long term. McCarthy's
the one that could burn you, or you know, it
could really help you to hold on to him. If
you view him in the same vein as like as
like deebro does, then you know that's like an untouchable

(38:06):
guy in a super flex but kind of viewing him
with a little bit more of the grounded approach of
what is this really going to look like for a
guy that we haven't seen do it yet, I think
makes it makes a lot more sense. I getting I'm
really high on Gary Wilson, Like, I think he's an
excellent target in dynasty formats right now, coming off of,
you know, a disappointing season, and really the floor in

(38:29):
his disappointing seasons has been high enough that I'm really
excited to see what a ceiling can be. Having said
all that, I don't think your quarterback position is as
needy for elite talent as you might have laid out.
But part of that is just because I'm so in
on Drake May and like, I think that he could
be the kind of elite, like high end tier two

(38:52):
quarterback that becomes your QB one week in and week
out as early as this year even, and then if
Kyler's running enough to take advantage to that quarter point
per rush, then I think your quarterbacks are still like,
this is a roster already that can very easily win
this league from what it sounds like, and not to mention, like,
you know you have Jamar Chase, Niko Collins, AJ Brown,

(39:12):
you know those running backs. It's the very strong roster clearly.
So I think for me, like I probably I find
it to be a relatively even trade. I guess where
I come down on it. So if you'd rather kind
of go for the year one getting that take advantage
of that justin Field's rushing, I support it as like
a win now thing. But if you are a real

(39:34):
believer in JJ McCarthy, I would not fault you for
one or just hold on to him and say Kyler,
Drake May and JJ McCarthy as my three qbs a
the future. Like I'm happy with that. If that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, yeah, it does. And uh, I don't want to
ask Fi's opinion on it. I cut it off. It's
just so it's easy to read the roster size so
it's not so small. But on my bench, I do
still have Addison and o'lave. I have a little more
depth at receiver kind of view Garrett Wilson similar to
like Addison in the long term in a lave obviously
has the injury risk, but if he stay on the

(40:10):
field kind of in that same range, would that change
your opinion on just kind of adding more depth at
the receiver that I kind of already have guys similar
in that range. I'm pretty high on McCarthy, so I
don't know, I'm kind of leaning towards not doing it,
but I wasn't sure if it was enough to push
me over the edge with Justin Field's rushing side.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
I mean, the nice thing about having all that good
young talent at receiver herbs and cheese is like it
gives you further Ammo. You know, we're always trading in Dynasty,
so like you are probably not done trading, And if
things start pretty well for you and you're off to
like a five and two or six and two start,
you might want to make another move you go, and

(40:51):
then like you can float someone like Addison, who maybe
has a little bit of a ceiling now because of
the presence of Jefferson and because McCarthy is probably not
gonna throw for forty five hundred yards in year one,
but like Edison's not going to be tethered to Justin
Jefferson forever, and it's probably going to be a lead

(41:12):
receiver somewhere eventually, So he might be a guy you
dangle his trade bait later on. You know, I totally
get the hesitation on McCarthy. Considering how good your team is.
I wouldn't let you hold that up. You know, flags
fly forever, and this is definitely a title worthy team.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
All right, appreciate it, guys, awesome things that much. I
noticed by the way face that when I, you know,
brought him onto the stage, I definitely fell back on
my radio background and said thanks for calling in.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
I got that.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
As soon as I said it, I was like, Nope,
don't work in radio anymore. All right, let's get through
some of these questions in the chat. We'll go back
and kind of work through them.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, why don't you why don't you look at Black
Raptors roster and I'll read the question and because he
has already asked me this in my personal discord AMA
channel and I gave him an opinion, but he wants
to see if you see it the same way I do.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
All right, so you look at the cold up.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah all right, So Blackraptor says, sending it in the
chat because it's a long question. This is my current
roster in a best ball, tight end Premium super Flex
full PPR dynasty league. I just got offered a twenty
six first rounder, a twenty seven first rounder, and a
twenty eight first rounder, or Justin Jefferson and a twenty
twenty seven third round pick. I am losing Jefferson? Are

(42:36):
you taking the deal. Fits already gave me his opinion,
but I would still love to hear worm's opinion.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Oh interesting, Okay, so you be getting a twenty six,
twenty seven, and twenty eight first and giving up Jefferson
in a twenty seven to third. It's tight end premium,
it's PPR, it's super flex, and it's best ball.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I of the idea of adding twenty seven firsts Fits.
That's what we talked about. That a bunch three first
is a lot. I'm actually curious before I answer, I
have my gut reaction. I want to see what the
what the trade value chart actually says. I know this
is like best Ball's a little different, and you know
there's some other angles at play here, but Jefferson at

(43:21):
ninety one. We don't have twenty eight picks in here,
but you can kind of get a sense of these firsts.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, And I think this might be a case where
the trade value chart fails us because sometimes when you
stack up assets and it's multiple assets for basically one assets,
the multiple is always going to outweigh that the one asset.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
And this kind of leads into what I told you
wrap the well.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I think because I have a lot of certainty in
the twenty twenty seven class, but not a lot of
certainty really in the twenty six or in twenty eighth,
just so far away you don't really know yet. I
think I would probably lean towards just hanging on to Jefferson.
I just like staring at the roster. Getting to have
Jefferson and Lamb, you know, for the next eight years,

(44:12):
is just such an appealing duo to be working with.
This roster does need work, right, I mean, like quarterback
is a position of need for sure in this roster.
You could definitely upgrade a tight end. You could upgrade
at running back. I'm just taking the bench to make
sure I'm saying I'm not missing anybody. You could update

(44:32):
up regrd it running. Really, you could upgrade everywhere except
for receiver. So I get the idea of selling a
receiver to get this great haul back. I I think,
as I say it, more, if you looking around the
league see this team as not really a contender, I

(44:53):
actually think I would make the trade. I think three
first is enough for me to make the trade. But
if you see yourself as somebody that is like even
like really in the top half of the league this year, Like,
you know, I got a chance here to win it
as good as anybody, then I think I would just
hold on to him. So I have a sense fits
But what exactly did you say?

Speaker 2 (45:13):
I said I would not make this deal because Justin
Jefferson provides so much value over average in that roster spot,
Like he gives you a massive advantage at that one
position in your starting lineup, and giving away Jefferson to
this other team is probably going to massively strengthen the

(45:33):
hand of this other team. So I'm assuming those future
first rounders are all going to be back in the
first round, probably somewhere in the one ten to one
twelve range, and it is going to be hard unless
you absolutely nail you know, at least two, if not all, three,
of those first round picks. You have to nail them
for the value over average of those three players you

(45:55):
draft to equal the value over average of Justin Jefferson.
Jefferson is just such a cornerstone for a fantasy do you.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Do you see my point about if you are thinking
that you are kind of in rebuilding mode because there's
holes elsewhere on the roster, that it's more justifiable because
like I did a similar thing. I had the pick
to get Bijon Robinson when he was coming into the
league in a dynasty league that you and I actually
both in fits our work league, and I traded it
for what was essentially it was it was Kyle Pitts

(46:26):
and three firsts. So at the time Pits was still
kind of viewed as a first round, you know worthy guy,
So it's essentially four first for Bijon, and that move
led me to the players that now turned into my championship.
I won the championship this last year because of that trade.
So if you're in a rebuilding and it's different or
running back versus receiver, of course, but if you're in

(46:49):
rebuilding mode, getting three first is like pretty eye opening,
like in terms of at least not just writing it
off immediately. I agree with you if you're at all
like a contender or even like a playoff contender, I wouldn't.
But do you think if you're a rebuilder you'd be
more open to it.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I just want Jefferson as one of the guys I'm
rebuilding around. He just turned twenty six, like he's going
to still give us like another half decade of immense value,
if not more than that.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, I'm definitely not going to push back like hard
on this because obviously you could hear me kind of
talking through it out loud and going back and forth
a bit, And like in a vacuum yes, I'd rather
have Jefferson. I think you can make the case if
you're like pretty certain you're not contending this year to
do it. But like in a vacuum end, even looking
at the roster, like I would be happy to have Jefferson.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
I do understand the temptation well.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
And I think it's a good point too that we
do think the twenty twenty six class is going to
be down and twenty twenty eight is really far away
and we don't really know. We love the twenty twenty
seven class, but it's not like we're thinking these are
three twenty twenty seven classes coming up, right. Like, one
of the things that led me to to that title
that I just mentioned in making that trade was two
of the picks I got were in twenty twenty four,

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which ended up being a really really strong first round.
So getting those in the right year does change the
calculus of that. So if you were getting three twenty
twenty seven first, maybe feel a little bit differently, right,
Not that that's a reasonable thing to expect, but that
you know, somebody to keep in mind. So it's a
great question because it actually is. I think.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Yeah, bit of a.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Tricky one, very thought provoking for sure, no question, all right,
so we got you more.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yeah, colossal here made a few trades lately, wondering what
we think it's super flex PPR two running backs, three receivers,
one tight end and two flex spots. The first trade
here fits Caleb Williams Jaden Reid two twenty twenty six thirds,
a twenty twenty seven second and a twenty twenty eight second,
So four picks, two seconds, two thirds in the future

(48:56):
plus Caleb Williams of Jaden Reid for Lamar Jackson, And say, Flower,
getting that Raven's stack. You know, I'm gonna have an
opinion on this, but what do you think fits same?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
The value over average Lamar's value over average is emats
in super flex, and you know Caleb might hang out
and turn out to be really valuable himself, and I
can understand it for the other side, but give.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Me the give me the Raven stack too, worm.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah, you're You're you're moving two thirds and two seconds
to upgrade at quarterback and upgrade at receiver, and upgrade
I think in meaningful ways, especially a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, Caleb.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
I'm a believer in Caleb taking a step forward this year,
more so than some of the other guys at Fantasy pros.
I do think like it will work well with Ben
Johnson and the pieces around him, and like I am
buying into Caleb, But Lamar is in a different tier.
He The only quarterbacks that are in the tier with
Lamar are Jane Daniels and Josh Allen. To me, like,
not even Joe Burro or not even Jalen Hurts. Nobody

(49:54):
else is even close to the asset you're holding on
too in a super flex dynasty league as Lamar. So
that alone is like very enticing. And then you're getting
his number one receiver who's still young and they're growing together,
Like I I would make that. I'm very happy to
get the Lamar's side of that.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
The other and oh go ahead, I was just gonna say,
And it looks like Colossal is giving up all this
draft capital, but when you really look at it, no
first rounders. One of those picks is until twenty twenty eight.
You know, like maybe the other person comes away with
like one meaningful player out of all those picks. That's
probably the over under. So yeah, I don't I think

(50:31):
it's a very worthwhile price to pay.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
The next trade is trading lad McConkie, Roma Dunza, A
twenty twenty seven first and a twenty twenty seven second,
and Roman Wilson for Cede Lamb, Brandon Nyuk and Mark Andrews.
So getting rid of McConkie, A dunezay and A twenty
twenty seven first and a second. I don't really care
about Roman Wilson, but two picks in twenty twenty seven

(50:55):
a draft class with like An Lamacaky and Roma Dunzey
getting Cde Lamb, Brandon Ayuk and Mark Andrews. This one
I don't think is as much of a win. In fact,
I do really like Ceedee Lamb. The Andrews thing is
interesting because I like, there was talk of them trading
him this offseason, yet at the same time, he's still

(51:15):
in his twenties and has been very good in the past.
Like I kind of struggle with Andrews and Dynasty right now.
You like Roma Dunzay so much. Obviously, we all like
Ladd McConkey, and we like the twenty twenty seven class.
So I'm guessing you didn't like this trade. But see,
Lamb's really good, and Andrews might still be really good
this year, and now of course you're getting that whole
Raven stack.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Lamb is great.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
But yeah, I just I can't sign off on this
one colossal because Ladd is really good. I think, you know,
maybe some people are overdoing the Ladd value because the
Chargers clearly want to run the crap out of the
ball after signing Nase and drafting Amaria and Hampton, and
you know, Ladd was Ladd was kind of I don't
think I think Ladd was like in the twenties where

(51:59):
he ranked in target last year and it might even
throw less this year. But man, Ladd is still really good.
O'doons could be really good. Twenty twenty seven draft class
could be pretty loaded, you know, and as good as
Lamb is, and he's clearly the most valuable asset in
this deal.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
I just I don't know about Ayuk.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, that one good season, but then the follow up
season was not looking good pre injury that injury is
going to be tough to come back from. It seemed
like there was, I don't know, just some weird stuff
going on with him in the organization too, where it
doesn't seem like they're totally committed to him for the
future despite the money he's gotten. Yeah, Andrews is older.

(52:42):
I just I can't get on board with this one.
It's just a lot of future value.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
I think it's a fair deal because of Lamb, but
I don't think I would have done it is how
I would frame that. And then the last three of
the colossal made is he traded Puka, Alec Pierce and
a twenty twenty eight third, Rashie Rice and Jonathan Taylor.
I actually I like this one. If you're a win
now team getting Rice and then getting Taylor, you know,

(53:09):
as that they kind of bridging because Pearson and the
twenty twenty eight third or nothing's but bridging the gap
between Pooka and Rice with a guy like Taylor. If
you're a win Now team, I do I'm okay with that.
What do you think about this one? Fifth?

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Even as someone who's maybe a little below the market
on Rashie Rice, like, I don't think it's totally out
of the question that I you know, Rice could be
almost as valuable as Pooka. Like Puka has had some
injury issues and he missed some time last year, and
he missed a lot of time in college. So like,
I don't mind this getting like two really solid assets

(53:44):
for now, you know, not a lot of value to
Alec Pearce or the twenty twenty eight third, which is
really kicking the can. It's basically Puka for Rashie Rice
and Jonathan Taylor, and I am good with getting the
two player combo here.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
I think it's a win or so overall.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Give a grade to these three trades combined. I'm not
gonna read through them all again because it's a lot of names,
but give a grade for them combined, I think I
probably because it's it's one like huge win one. I
think we call it a win. We're on board with it,
even if it's not, like you know, highway robbery and
one like yeah, probably wouldn't wouldn't have done that. To me,

(54:19):
this feels like a B plus overall.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah, I'm gonna say a BEE because I really don't
like the CD LAMB feel and the way that that
I just thought that was way too much to give
up for colossal. The first trade was a pretty pretty
big win two, and I think that the third one
was a solid win.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
So like I think the I think it nets out.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Pretty close to even pretty honestly maybe at okay.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
So yeah, B plus for me, B for you. We've
got two more questions here in the chat, then we'll
get out of here. From Powerfold, who gets the biggest
bump with John hu Gune, we talked about the John
Hue side of things we didn't talk about on the
other side. I think it was the late Great tags
that talked about the correlation and targets between tight ends
and running backs. Even if there's a slight regression in
low at targets, I could see a chan picking up

(55:11):
a few more per game. I wonder though, if Wattle
isn't the biggest beneficiary. When I first saw this trade fits,
the first thing that came to mind for me was
boosting Wattle. But I think it's a very valid point
to say, like, if you already thought ha was gonna
get a lot of targets, this helps that too.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, I think it does help Wattle. And Deebro was
kind of on that had to tweet about it. Maybe
like if Wattle spends more time in the slot this year,
he gets more of those short area targets.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
But for me, it's a Chan.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
I mean, I had serious questions about whether a Chan
and Johnnu would be able to maintain the sort of
target share they had because of the way the passing
game sort of shrunk for Miami with that low average
depth of throw for two of five point seven yards.
I figured that was going to change and that those

(55:58):
guys were gonna lose some targets and things going to
maybe tilt back toward Wattle and Tyreek.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
But now with John Ughan, I am not worried about
Chan like losing his share of targets and receptions. Like
he is more valuable, and after that trade, I moved
him up in both my Redraft and Dynasty rankings. So
I think Chan is number one and Wattle number two.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Last question here from man O Mitch, would you guys
do Addison and Hunter for London. I have a decent
surplus of wide receiver twos and threes trying to get
someone up in the wide receiver one tier it is
in PPR, so giving up Addison and Hunter getting Drake
London and herbs and cheese. By the way, replies and says,
smash accept, what do you think fits?

Speaker 3 (56:43):
I would.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, I would agree. I'd do it for London and
where you know my reservation. And I know some people
think Hunter is a potential superstar, but I have major
concerns about like where he is playing in the future, uh,
with regard to wide receiver versus cornerback. So I would
do that. I mean, London, I just got a breakthrough season.
He had last year one hundred receptions, playing most of

(57:08):
the season with a pretty obviously dusty Kirk Cousins, and
then he really clicked in those final three games with
and I know it was against some pretty wretched defenses,
but I mean the way he clicked with Michael Pennix
junior down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
I'm on board with that.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
And I love Addison too, but yeah, to get London,
I am cool with that sort of consolidating if he's
got a surplus of firepower or a surplus of wide
receiver twos and threes, Yeah, get that wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
One man, amish I.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Was gonna say that helps, like, like I think I
probably would have said he said yes, even in a vacuum.
But the fact that you have a surplus of wide
receiver twos and threes makes it an easier like, yes,
I would do this to go get London, who I
think is going to be a superstar. We did get
one last question here. It will wrap up, and it's
just because it's about a conversation. We just had conversation
about Justin Jefferson as a contender in a twelve man

(58:07):
super flex half PPR league. Should I send my twenty
twenty six twenty twenty seven to twenty twenty eight firsts
for either Chase or Jefferson to pair up with CD
lamp So as a contender fits you didn't like trading
them away for that guy. Should I assume that you
would like trading them for that guy?

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yep, I'm on board.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Those are going to be late picks, so I think
it's a worthwhile move or Xeon to no to go
for that title this year.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
I agree, And it's it's gonna be really not fun
during those rookie drafts to not have those picks. But
here's two things I would say. One, it's gonna be
way more fun to be the reigning champ than it
will be to have those picks. And two you can
get more draft capital. But between now and twenty twenty
eight you can trade away players for first if you
really need to get back in there for some reason,

(59:00):
there will be deals to come. So yes, I would
do that. Are you with me? Fits that I would rather?
I would try for Chase first and then Jefferson Or
would you rather have Jefferson?

Speaker 2 (59:09):
No, I would rather have Chase Okay, and ideally when
he is you know, when those drafts are happening in
future years, the best move would be to put your
trophy next to your laptop and stare at the trophy
while someone else is making your picks. That would be
the that would lessen the pain considerably.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
A strong agree there, I have, Like I said, I'm
coming off the title in our work Dynasty League and
I still have.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Well, you didn't mention that one. Did you win our
Dynasty Leagues last year? I had anything?

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Well? I like keep bringing up because it was with you.
And it's a very because we always say on this show,
like if you and I disagree, you should listen to
Fits and not me. But it's worth having the context
that that that's coming from the champ okay, and by
the way, you keep not making a trade offer for
Jordan Adison, you keep talking them up on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
I know I have them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
I'm willing to move them because I have so much
receiver depth and there's no offers coming my way what
Gibs Deeber would have sent me eight by.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Now, I know I've got a long holiday weekend coming
up where them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I'll work on that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
All right.

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