Shedeur Sanders or Cam Ward as QB1? | 2025 Rookie Class Preview (Ep. 190) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast.
Having said that in a while, I'm Ryan Warmley, joined
by Pat fitz Morris and by Scott Bogman, Guys, we
are back.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I was gonna do the like guess who's back back again.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I mean, there was a whole bunch of different insurances
I wanted to roll with. But really I'm just excited
to be talking Dynasty with you guys. Of course, our
audience has been hearing some Dynasty conversation in season fits
died Dynasty discord stages. He did one with Bogman, he
did one with myself every month, so there was some
Dynasty conversation going on.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
But we are now back.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
With the trio of us here every week talking all
things Dynasty. We're talking rookie class for twenty twenty five.
We're talking startup rankings, We're talking anything we can think
of related to Dynasty. Today's episode is about the twenty
twenty five rookie class. Will be given kind of an
early preview as we sit here in mid January. Of course,

(00:58):
a lot of this stuff is subject to change over
the next couple of months. I am surprised that Bogwin
was even willing to do a show with me after
what happened last Saturday. Bog Yeah, I was gonna say,
some of us, you know, are looking forward to the
draft already, and some of us still have a team alive.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Not me and Pat. We both had terrible weekends, but
at least the Steelers lost the day after the Longhorns
lost two for me, So that was a lot of fun.
Great weekend. Happy birthday, Bogman, So a great time for me.
But yes, look, I'm excited for this class. There are
a lot of good running backs. We you know, fits
and I have gone over that. I'm sure you've been

(01:35):
talking about it as well. Worm. There's a lot of
good rbs, and I think the wide receiver class is
better than people are giving it credit. Lots of good
tight ends, quarterbacks lacking. I think that is accurate as
what people say. But I'm excited to dig in and
talk about it and really get into the big diving
and the Senior Bowl and the Combine and the Pro

(01:56):
days and the interviews and all the craziness that comes
with NFL Draft season.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, really looking forward to the next few months. We're
gonna have other folks popping on the feed to to
you know, Debrow will be on here previewing the Senior
Bowl reactions to that, you know, combine those sorts of events.
So we're gonna have you know, other voices on here
as well, But obviously the three of us are here
for most most of the time week to week. Basis
just a reminder for everybody that all of our twenty

(02:20):
twenty five consensus rankings and tiers can be found at
fantasypros dot com slash rankings. We're still in the early
stages of updating those in terms of like rookie rankings
and you know, stuff like that. But if you want
to look at your art staff dynasty rankings, you can
navigate that as well. But again, fantasypros dot Com slash rankings,
and I will continue to update with rookie stuff as
well throughout throughout the season. Uh yeah, fits before we

(02:41):
kind of dive in position by position, Bogman just sort
of started to allude to this, but what's the kind
of your overall macro level? Like, this is the state
of the rookie class as we sit here three months
before the draft.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah, first of all, related, happy birthday to Scott Bogman.
Glad the birthday came after the Texas and the Steelers losses.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I still had a great time.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Good so good.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yes, thanks.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
I'm liking this class more and more the more I
dig into it. And you know, I've actually been watching
film breakdowns of some of the wide receivers the last
few days and starting to feel a little bit better
about that group. It's certainly not as star studed or
as deep probably as last year's group, but not a
bad class there tight end, some exceptional prospects running back,

(03:27):
just deep and top heavy. And quarterback, Yeah, this is
a lacking quarterback class, not as bad as the Malik
Willis Kenny Pickett class of a few years ago. And
I feel a little bit better after watching some film
breakdowns of cam Ward and Shade or Sanders then I
was feeling maybe a week or two ago, not sure

(03:48):
about the class after that as far as the quarterbacks,
but I'm starting to like this class more and more.
Maybe not as top heavy and star studied as last
year's class, but this is not a bad class.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
It is weaker, like particularly at quarterback, than you know,
some recent years. But it's a good point that like
this isn't a year.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Where the first quarterback to go off the board is
going to be twentieth overall, like two of the top
three picks in the NFL Draft will be quarterbacks. Now,
we're not going into this saying these are as good
as Caleb Williams, Jayde Daniels, Drake may were as prospects
just a year ago. But it's not that's a good
that's a good point of comparison to say, this isn't
quite twenty twenty two level of week. It's just kind

(04:28):
of a step down from some of these other years
we've had recently. Let's let's start with the quarterbacks. We're
gonna go position by position and just kind of give
a rough overview. We'll talk about, you know, some of
these guys in rough order of the ways they're early ranked.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I mean, this isn't like a strict dranking. This is
not our ranking.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
It's just kind of some of the names you know
at each position and just kind of our early thoughts
and you know, maybe questions we have about these guys
stuff we want to see get answered throughout the draft process.
Guys who you know, maybe we care more about their
landing spot than others. Just comes some general thoughts on
these players here as kind of an early intro to
the twenty two five rookie class for those who maybe

(05:01):
are just now diving into it. Obviously there's a lot
of folks out there to do great work kind of
covering the rookie class. During the college football season, we
tend to primarily focus, you know, on the season at
hand and redraft where we're in the fall. So now
it's kind of the time that we extra dive into it,
ian if we've been paying attention all along.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
But for those who are kind of along for the ride.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
With us at this time of year an early preview,
they're really the two names to talk about at the
top fifth. You just mentioned Shooter Sanders from Colorado, cam
Ward from a lot of places, but most recently Miami.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Those are the two that are are very certain to go.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
You know, with top three, top five picks in the
NFL draft, there maybe the only two that'll go in
the first round of super flex rookie drafts. I mean,
we can get into that conversation as well. Bogman, just
when you think about these two names first and foremost,
do you have a preference between Sanders and Ward, both
in terms of the NFL drafts and in terms of
dynasty rookie drafts.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, for me, it's cam Ward. It is number one.
And I think Fitz and I were talking about this
the other day on the discord. We are a little
different in that because I believe he has schdor Sanders one.
But they are, as you mentioned, worm one A and
one B in terms of this class. And I think
the reason that I give the edge slightly to cam
Ward is that I think that he is more willing

(06:12):
to bail out and get those rushing yards, and I
think Sanders can he doesn't. He backs up a little
bit too much. Both these guys hold the ball too long,
which we've seen Caleb Williams have massive issues with in Chicago.
So these are not clean prospects coming in. I think
that cam Ward is the better of them in terms

(06:35):
of fantasy because of that rushing upside. He doesn't like
to bail out though, he likes to hold on that ball,
and he has, as everyone has mentioned every profile I've
seen about cam Ward ice in his veins. He does
not care about the pressure. It looked he kind of
looks psychotic back there a little bit because he just
does not bother him. He is calm, cool and collected

(06:57):
about it. So the footwork is good. He can throw
off a bunch of platforms. Yeah, sometimes he gets a
little too brave with the ball, but I think he
can make every throw as well. And I think, just
you know, I think the big flaw in his game
is holding it on the ball too long, and I
think if you fix that, you have a very good
prospect here. So he is my number one.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I also, in very kind of early assessment thinking about this,
have Ward ahead of shudure fits. Bogman just saluted the
fact that you have it reversed, you le Shodur Sanders
slightly ahead of I assume, slightly ahead of cam Ward.
What's your reasoning behind that?

Speaker 4 (07:33):
I do, And maybe cam Ward is a little toolsier
and might have the higher upside, But as Bogman's get
terrifies me, how long he holds onto the ball, and
I do just think like he has maybe a bit
of a fatal hero ball tendency at times where he
just wants to make the big play and at times

(07:53):
will put himself at risk of disaster plays.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
Major fumbling issues too.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
And I hate how when he is scrambling around, he
is this bad habit of holding the ball one handed
and like low at his waist or lower like I mean,
he coughed up a lot of fumbles and I'm fearful
that if they make him a full time starter as
a rookie, he is going to be sacked at a
David Carr like rate. The way he holds on the ball. Now,

(08:22):
Shadur can do that too, But like, I think Shaduur
was forced to operate a little quicker in the pocket
because his offensive line was not nearly as good as
the Miami offensive line. It's funny, man, this year it did,
it did, But I just think there are all these
misconceptions about Shaduur and what kind of player he is.

(08:43):
And maybe that is part and parcel with being the
son of one of the best athletes to ever play
in the NFL. You would think Shadur would be like
this athletic running quarterback. Not at all athletic, yes, but
like when he is under pressure and scrambling around, and
he can scramble, I mean he will put Kobe Bryant
moves on pass rushers to escape Harm's way in the pocket.

(09:06):
But like he keeps his eyes downfield and he is
looking to make a play through the air when he's
scrambling around. I don't know, maybe at some point I
feel like he has the athleticism where he could translate
that into like maybe low level running ability at the
NFL level. He's never going to be a certainly a
Lamar Jackson or probably even I don't know, like Jordan

(09:27):
Love type. Running ability is probably his ceiling. But man,
there's a lot to like about him. Like good enough arm,
not a rocket, but good enough, great ball placement, throws
with anticipation. I feel like he's really conscientious about like
keeping the ball out of harm's way where it can
be intercepted, where he's going to like leave his receivers
open to kill shots. Just like a really kind of

(09:50):
smart as far as a processor. But he's an interesting
prospect for sure.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
He's unique. I know.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
I put it out on Twitter the other day I
couldn't think of a comp for him, and about like
three hundred plus people replied to me with comps, most
of which I thought were terrible. Uh, Like he's really
he's really hard to comp Like, there's just not many
people like him. But I do now after worrying about him,

(10:18):
now I think he is worthy of a top five pick.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
But let me let me follow quickly fits.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
I want to I want to see if Bogmann has
any comps in mind or any though's what you said.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
But I want to ask some of the off field stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
How much are you weighing leadership ability in a young
quarterback when you're making a rookie draft decision, because it's
the one position where it matters, obviously, right, Like the
quarterback has to have some degree of being able to
control the huddle, the locker room, being a leader.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
And I mean, I don't know the guy.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I'm not like sitting here saying he's some terrible, you
know person who you know, his head isn't screwed on straight.
But there have been moments of me kind of being
worried about him throwing teammates under the bus or being
out for himself and not for the team. And I
worry about how that might translate to an NFL locker room,
especially if you're not this you know, legendary prospect in

(11:08):
terms of like the talent you bring on the field,
Maybe equality enough prospect, but if you're not coming in
with the hype of a Trevor Lawrence or Caleb Williams,
and you also maybe have some attitude stuff. Again, I
don't know him, so I don't want to kill the guy,
but there have been enough reports about that to kind
of be in the back of my mind.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, there have been some missteps and press conferences. There
was that, uh, you know, moment where he could have
been a little more graceful with the Colorado State quarterback
who had talked crap about Colorado and maybe Dion before
that game, and then they trounced Colorado State. And I
forget what Schidor said to him afterwards, but probably not

(11:44):
the most graceful comments. Yeah, there are gonna be some
stupid things said about Shiddh or Sanders in the run
up to the draft from some of the worst people
in sports media. And I think people think like he
is this NEPO baby and immature and all this. And
on the other side of the coin, like, imagine the
pressure of being Dion Sanders's son and you've played for

(12:06):
your dad throughout your college career, not only a Colorado
but at Jackson State, and I mean, for the most part,
considering the pressure he's been under I think he's done
a decent job of managing himself. Like it's hard to
relate to that sort of pressure in that sort of
situation for a guy when he's in his early twenties.

(12:26):
And I know how ridiculously immature I was in my
early twenties. I wouldn't have handled that situation well. So
I would sort of fade the noise that you are
going to be hearing over the next three months or
so in the run up to the draft, because we
are going to hear a lot of like slander on
Shador Sanders, And I don't know, man, Like, I don't

(12:47):
think he's a bad kid.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Bodwin, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (12:51):
I think the exact same. I mean, you know, why
did he act like you know, some of these are personal?
A lot of those were personal attacks, and his dad
is the code, so you know they were personal. It
wasn't just a rivalry thing for a lot of this stuff,
so you know, and also, let's leave the college stuff
in college. So you know, if if he starts that

(13:12):
have problem in the NFL, then I'll kind of start
to worry about it. I just don't think that it's
a red flag right. He wasn't caught. He's not getting
duy's or you know, anything involved with the law. So
a little immaturity is fine when you're in college. Baker
Mayfield had the same thing, probably way worse. He did
get arrested, you know, running from the cops. So there's

(13:33):
way more guys with bigger issues that don't have the
type of pressure that Sanders had coming in. So I
really don't care about it.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, I definitely like want to emphasize it. I'm not
saying like you know, like you said, no duys not
like a guy, But.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
It's going to be talked about. All this stuff is
going to be talked about. You're absolutely right, worm this
is and fits is right too. The worst people in
sports media are going to say a lot of stupid Then.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I also don't want to punish him for his dad,
Like I am turned off by a lot of the
bravado from Dion Sanders, like just personally, I hate when
he comes out and says stuff like he won't let
his son get drafted by the Browns, like like that's
I know we've seen something that happened past, like with
Eli Manning twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
But like that stuff all. I hate it.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, like it really aroused me the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
And I don't want to punish Shador for my opinion
of Dion, and I think some people will do that,
so I just try to be great cognizant of it.
But before we move on to the other quarterbacks, So
last year, obviously these guys would not have gone anywhere
close to Caleb, Jaden and Drake. Would they have been
in the same tier with Pennix and McCarthy and bo

(14:37):
Nix in your guys's opinion, or would they have been
even below them?

Speaker 3 (14:42):
They would have been below them for sure. For me,
cam Ward the closest. I wasn't sure about Sanders really,
I don't know where i'd put him now, probably well
behind all of them, but yeah, cam Ward would have
been the next guy after those dudes. I don't know
where I would have put Sanders, honestly, I.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Would guess they would have been in the bow Knicks neighborhood. Basically,
the NFL is saying you're either a first rounder or
you're not good enough, like the Day two and there
are a lot of guys in this class who people
are going to be talking about. Well, he's an interesting
Day two. Prospect Day two is the NFL telling you
you're not good enough? And I think these guys still

(15:23):
would have been first round picks last year.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
So last question on these two, just very quickly.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
In a super flex rookie draft right now, I think
they're probably the only two we would have in the
first round, and correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
In terms of the quarterbacks, where in the first round
are they?

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Are they because it's a quarterback and they're going to
go high in the draft, this means they have to
be top half of the first round picks in a
super flex rookie draft. Are they more back half guys?
Because you like the running backs and receivers? I fits
where would they.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
Fall between two and six?

Speaker 4 (15:55):
You know, I could see either of them falling behind
tech NC Genty's going number one. A lot of people
are gonna have Tet McMillan number two. If we found
out from a team that they intended to make Travis
Hunter a wide receiver only I think he probably goes
ahead of these guys, And some people are maybe gonna
like Omari and Hampton.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
So much that he goes ahead of these guys.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
But I don't think they go any lower than six,
and if they do, I think they're just ridiculous values.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
At that point.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Same range for you, Bogman, Yeah, I think Fitzi's right
in like, where I would rank them as prospects would
probably be behind a bunch of those guys like you know, six, seven, eight,
But in terms of desperation for almost every superflex league,
they're going to be the first two guys taken after
gent I would believe in most drafts. So I do
think I would have them behind a grip of the

(16:45):
running backs and maybe a few receivers in terms of
where they should go, but where they will go in
most of your drafts because QB those teams picking up
near the top nak UB's most of the time. I
think they'll go two and three in most drafts.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Bogman, how big is the next tier of quarterbacks? Because
then I wrote down one.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
To me, it's just one one, Okay, it's Jaln Milroe, Okay,
And Jalen Milroe is actually my favorite prospect QB prospect
in this class. But in terms of fantasy I don't
know if he starts for the next two seasons, and
I don't think he should start for the next two seasons.
I think he should get the full Jordan Love treatment,
where a team with a good quarterback that's established and

(17:25):
maybe a little bit long in the tooth should draft
Jalen Milroe and you know, wait a couple years for
him to start, because all the athleticism is there, the
arm enormous, the legs, electric and incredible. He would probably
be the number two rushing quarterback right behind Lamar if
he was dropped in immediately. So I think there's so much,

(17:48):
you know, there are so many great tools for him.
He needs to work on the footwork, he needs to
work on the decision making pre snap reads. There's a
lot of the game that he still needs to get
to that he doesn't have right now. It would be
very foolish of a team to drop him in, even
at the back end of next year. I feel for
him to do that. So he is very much a
developmental prospect. But for me, he has the highest upside

(18:10):
of any QB in this class by a wide margin.
So Milroe is actually my favorite, and he is the
one guy that I think will go in the back
end of those superflexes, as you know, to someone that
needs to wait or has the opportunity to wait. You
already have two good starters, draft Milrow and stash him.
So I'm really excited about J. L.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Milroe fits. Do you also see him as a Tier
of one?

Speaker 5 (18:33):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yeah, crazy tools, running ability, big arm. But you know,
he is sort of like in Anthony Richardson Malik Willis
type prospect where he is just not refined enough as
a passer. And we saw that with the touchdown interception
ratio this last year sixteen touchdowns eleven interceptions at Alabama.
I mean, what would that look like in the NFL?

(18:54):
Probably like a one to one ratio, and that's not
good enough. He would need kind he would need refine
me And I've seen mox that have him in the
top ten. Like I get it with the tools, but
if you start him in year, oneyar courting disaster because
he is nowhere near ready to be an NFL quarterback
right now as a passer.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
Just he's not.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
But like I get it, the arm and the rushing
ability is pretty intoxicating. And then like I know some
people are going to want to put Jackson Dart on
that level.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
I don't know if I see it.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
I mean he's interesting, like, he's mobile, he's got a
good enough arm, really nice touch on the deep ball.
But if you go back and look at Jackson Dart's
college career, he would often struggle against the best defenses.
He faced, his numbers against Georgia, his numbers against Alabama,
his game against Kentucky in twenty twenty four, who had
a fantastic defense, Like, I don't care if you can

(19:49):
light up Furman, like, I want to see you do
it against the best defenses, And Jackson Dart really didn't
do that for the most part, Bog.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I mean, does anybody else stand out to you in
this quarterback list? Your guy Quinn, yours, Texas, Jackson Dart.
He Fitstus mentioned Dylan Gabriel at Oregon, Will Howard at
Ohio State, Kyle mccorus erocuse.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I mean that's getting pretty right down the list. But
does anybody share that with you?

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, I mean Dart is fine. I think Quinn has
again a lot of the tools, but needs a lot
of refinement, you know, And that's a guy that started
more games, so uh, you know, I think probably you're
looking at a backup for the rest of these guys
with maybe potential starters. If they sit for a while
and start to learn the game, then they get their shot.

(20:33):
Maybe an injury and then maybe you see if you
have something with them. So but I think the rest
of them are pretty much backups at this point. I
do think Quinn has decent tools. I think Will Howard
has the size. Ryley Leonard, you know, has the athleticism,
but I don't. I kind of see Riley Leonard as
potential to switch to like a Taysom Hill type of role. Right.

(20:55):
He could really do anything he wanted on a football field.
So if he just wasn't making it as a quarterback,
moving tight end, he'd be great. Move the running back,
he'd be fine. You know, he's a very very good athlete.
So but yeah, Kyle McCord really good on the back
half of the season. He had that disgusting, nasty game
against Pitt that I couldn't believe that they didn't bench

(21:17):
him in where he threw six interceptions and three pick sixes.
It was disgusting, and he really took that game and
buried it with a great performance on the back end.
So a lot of buzz for McCord moving forward as well.

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the running backs here fits. Obviously, the conversation begins with
Asha Gent.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
He is. There is a really good class.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
There are very good options that you will be able
to take in the first round of Eurokie drafts, and
yet Genty is still a tier of his own. He
is very verily hyped, you know, as a prospect. I
don't need to describe who Asha gent is. Obviously, he
was a finalist for the Heisman like an unreal like record,
you know season at Poise.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Can I just throw a stat at you real quick?

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Please, worm, I'm skataboo second most misstackles force with one
hundred and two. The next highest in this class was
Omari and Hampton at seventy two, and Ashton Jentt had
one hundred and fifty one. So that is just like,
if you want, if you just want a different level
of a prospect, that is Ashton Jenty. He is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
So let me ask you this, and Fitz, I'll start
with you.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Just in looking at recent drafts, obviously, there wasn't really
anybody last year in the running back conversation that would
have been anywhere close to this Ashon Genty or Bijon
as prospects only who was better.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Bijon and we had talked about this a little bit.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
I think you and I were him on one of
our Dynasty Discord shows where it's Bijon has pretty extraordinary
movement skills and athleticism, and I don't think that Genty
can quite match him.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
There.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
The secret sauce for Gent is his contact balance, which
is like maybe among the best I've ever seen. I
mean it's it's just creat you cannot knock this guy
off balance and it takes, yeah, it takes a small
army to tackle this guy. Like, good luck bringing this
guy down. And I mean we saw that, and I know,
like some people were sort of live tweeting during the

(24:14):
game against Penn State and the college football playoffs where oh, look,
put him against a good defense and he's not so tough.
While he finished with like one hundred and forty yards
from scrimmage in that game.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
What a miserable game.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Yeah, a couple of a couple of highlight runs where
he broke like five tackles on one play, and just
he is absolutely going to get it done at the
next level. And I mean, he is a pretty extraordinary
prospect in his own right.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
I don't know what he's going to run. But it's
not like he's slow either.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
I mean he might not have the same speed as Bijon,
but not worried about the speed, and just he's so
hard to bring down in a really smart, patient run er,
good vision.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
He is pretty much the total text.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
So what about if if he's lower than Bijon, again,
as kind of a diasty prospect coming into the league,
I assume he's higher than like a Kenneth Walker. Is
he like in that Jamior Gibbs, Breysce Hall, Range would
be ahead of those guys. Is like, is Bijon the
only guy ahead of him in recent years or is
there a couple other.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Game I'm personally I would have put him behind Gibbs
and I would have put him behind Walker, But those
are the only guys the nation. Gentle Well me.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
No one loved Gibbs.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
I don't think anyone was like head over heels talking
about Gibbs the way they talk about gent until Gibbs
got drafted as early as he did, and then kind
of people reevaluated and Brice Hall and Kenneth Walker the
year they came out were I think the consensus was
Breece Hall was like the slightly better prospect, but they
were both pretty similar. I think gent is a better

(25:42):
prospect than all three of those guys going into the
draft before we know where they're going to land, because
I do think there was some sort of reevaluation of
Gibbs after he was drafted so early.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Genty will probably get similar draft capital though right I
mean we're in a lot of mock drafts. He's going
in the teens of the first round, which as a
running back is remarkable, and I've seen Gibbs as twelve,
and I.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Think we're starting to get the kickback on the running
back hate, specifically in the draft right and with contracts.
I think after we're seeing Derek Henry go to Baltimore
and light it up, Saquon go behind a good offensive
line and put up two thousand yards, I think we're
getting a reevaluation overall of the position. And I think

(26:24):
we're gonna see genty go in the top ten to
fifteen at the fifteen at the very least. So Reigi
goes top ten pretty easy.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Right now, before knowing his draft capital and landing spot.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Bogman He's Dynasty RB.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
What H I have to catch up because I haven't
done the ram I've been working on baseball, right, Yes,
FITZI has him at three. You got him at three,
behind behind Bijon and Gibbs.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yep, yeah, that's pretty high. I actually do. I hate comps,
and I do have a comp for Ash and Genty.
It's mini marsha on Lynch. Cool, That's how I see him.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
I like that interest like that.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Okay, So is there like I'll phrase it like this fits.
Are you even willing to listen to somebody make an
argument for why someone else should go first in a
dynasty rookie draft this year? Or is it so cut
and dry that you won't even hear an argument against Genty?

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Well, we talked to someone on one of our users
on discord, Bagman and I did the other day where
we were. It was someone who was quarterback needy and
had the one on one and you know, was it
acceptable to take one of the quarterbacks ahead of Genty
and Bogman? And I slightly disagreed. I said, no, maneuver
around and trade back if you must, but I don't

(27:44):
think it's logical or reasonable to take either of these
quarterbacks who are far from fool proof over a running
back prospect who I do think is pretty fool proof
barring injury. So no, I'm not willing to entertain any
any arguments for anyone else at one on one.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Quite honestly sounds like maybe you are willing to hear
those arguments, bagman.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
I'm willing to hear them. I'm not willing to do them.
I'll say that, like, there is no scenario where I
have the number one pick and it's not asking genty.
But I do understand the frustration of not having a
quarterback in a super flex league and just wanting to
take your shots. That coupled with the fact that there
are so many good running backs in this class that
could end up, depending on landing spot, as a very

(28:27):
high end dynasty asset. You know, we'll go through them
in a second here, but there's so many other good
ones and there's not In terms of quarterbacks, you know,
it is Sanders, it is Ward, and then its weight
you know, at least to the back half of the season,
hopefully a season and a half or more for the
rest of these developmental quarterbacks to perform. So you know,

(28:48):
I I would entertain way more trading out of that
spot and getting your quarterback than taking one of these.
But I understand the frustration, and it's going to happen
in some super flex leagues. Someone's going to be stacked
at running back, need a quarterback, and they're gonna take
cam Ward. He'll get Jayden Daniels Compson. And by the way,
I was looking at time to throw cam Ward number

(29:08):
two of eighty four and longest time to throw Sanders
is nine. So these guys hold on the ball a
long time. But yeah, I think that's the scenario where
you see it. Personally, I would not do it.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
So who's next?

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Right?

Speaker 1 (29:23):
We know Ashon Genty is a tier of his own
at running back? Is it Amarian Hampton out of UNC?
Is it Quinn Shawn Judkins or Travon Henderson both out
of Ohio State. I know our former coworker Thor likes
Caleb Johnson from Iowa. Like, who is the next guy
up after gent at this position?

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Bagman? Yeah? For me, it's I think there's a group. Right,
it's Omarion Hampton, the big thumper from UNC. Just a
lot of fun to watch, violent runner. I would love
to see him. Then it's the combo of these guys,
Judkins and Traveon Henderson. I mean, you've seen Judkins play
with his hair on fire in the tournament. He has

(30:00):
been unbelievable. Trevon Henderson came in with maybe some I
mean this is kind of why they went out and
got Judkins was because Henderson had some injury issues in
his career. I feel like during this tournament he has
kind of put those to bed. That speed is incredible,
and I think Cam Scatabow has to go in there
as well. So Scataboo has to be in this group
because of what he has done, and maybe I think

(30:23):
a lot for him is going to depend on what
he runs at the combine because at his size, great,
we've seen guys with size before dominating college come the
NFL and just not be able to do anything. So
I think he needs to run well. But I also
think he's going to run well. So I think Cam
Scataboo has to go into that group. It is scati Boo,

(30:44):
not scat.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Of bo Right.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, I always screw it up, Okay, I.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Sort to making I'm sure I will mess that up
at various points throughout this show. Yeah, I mean it
does feel like a group like it fits. I don't
know if you disagree. You may have a favorite at
the top, and I think I know who your favorite is.
But I don't know that anybody has separated themselves in
terms of being their own tier after gent or do
you see somebody who's really kind of put some space
between them and the other names here?

Speaker 4 (31:08):
I kind of think Omar and Hampton is a cut
above the other guys and maybe not like a huge
gap between him and For me, I guess it would
be the two Ohio State guys Judkins and Henderson, and.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
Yeah, maybe Caleb Johnson.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
I know I don't like him as much as Thorne
Eistrom does, but I just Omaron Hampton's blend of speed
and power is pretty extraordinary. Like he there is a
lot to his game that reminds me of Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
I don't think he has.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Quite the speed just pure speed that Taylor has, or
quite the same footwork. But Jonathan Taylor was not much
of a pass catcher coming out of Wisconsin, and Hampton
is actually a pretty good pass catcher. I think he
had over forty catches. I want to say this past year,
i'd have to double check that. But Hampton is just
I love how no frills he is. He is all

(32:02):
business about getting north south, but yet he's got a
little bit of niftiness to kind of swerve and just
elude contact when he's working his way through traffic. Man,
I just think he's going to fit in right away.
And with his size and uh like, he is a
potential workhorse. Like Eshon Genty, I think he can come

(32:25):
in and be your clear feature guy right off the bat.
I don't know who else I have that sort of
confidence in this class. So it's kind of those two
guys to me a cut above, you know, Genty a
clear number one, Hampton a clear number two.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
And then the conversation starts.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I think I'm gonna be really happy if I'm a
team that wants to get a running back in the
first round of my rookie draft and I'm picking you know,
more in the back half, Like assuming Genty and Hampton
are gone, I'll be really happy if I'm coming away
with Judkins or Henderson. Like obviously Quinn Schehn had that
awesome freshman season with ole Miss before he transferred. You know,
Trevan Henderson I did a DeBie league, is campus to

(33:02):
Canton League. But you know, we're drafting the college side
of things a couple of years ago, and he was
like the fourth overall pick, Like there was a lot
of hype for him, and I know, obviously you kind
of split time when when a Kylie Judkins is in
the backfield too, But like, I think he's really talented too.
Like you know, I think I think for those four
genty Judkins, Henderson, and Hampton, whatever order it is, I'm

(33:24):
not going to be too dissuaded by landing spot for
any of those guys. Like I'm really interested in them
as NFL running backs. The guys below them I like,
but I'm going to be more interested to see where
they landed, what kind of opportunity I envision early on.
But like, to me, like those four, at least in
terms of my rankings, would definitely be like first round
guys in rookie drafts, just given the weakness at quarterback

(33:46):
and everything else. And then you know, beyond that, Johnson, Scattaboo,
whoever else you want to mention, I think that's where
you get into like maybe if they get in this
ideal landing spot, I consider them there depends I feel
about you know, received and tight end. Does that feel
like a fair assessment, Bogman.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
I think so yeah. And there's still a lot more
to like in this class after those guys too. So
you know Dylan Samson, you know, big time prospect out
of Tennessee. Lots of carries, can catch the ball, a
lot of touches for him, just to shade under three hundred.
You mentioned Caleb Johnson, who a big part of the

(34:23):
Iowa run game. That's always been the thing about the
Iowa run game is everyone knows it's coming and they
still can't stop. Right. It's the offensive line, it's the
running backs, it's the tight ends, it's everybody working together.
And he was a big part of that. So Caleb
Johnson a huge prospect. And then there's guys that are
a little sneaky. Devin Neil from Kansas sneaky deep.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Bro just greeting about him the other day, so I
know he's been watching film.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
He is slightening fast. He's quick as a hiccup. I mean,
if you give him a sliver of daylight, he is gone.
Kylemanong guy from Rutgers, that's my that's Bucky Irving this
year that's this year's Bucky Irving. I feel like is
Kyle Mnong guy from Rutgers, a dude that is a
little bit undersized. Maybe he's not going to put up

(35:09):
ridiculous numbers at the combine, but you watch him play.
He does it on the field that is where the
work is done. So there is just so much to like.
And there's more that we don't have time to get
into as well. Uh TOAJ Brooks Ollie Gordon had a
bad year this year, but was a big time prospect
before that. There is a lot to this running back class.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, which of those names and obviously there's a lot
of names, but fits of those guys kind of in
that group below, you know, the Caleb Johnson scataboo, Like
you start getting lower in the rankings, who stands out
to you most? I know you and I have talked
a little bit about Manongai on one of the Discord shows. Obviously,
Ali Gordon, DJ Giddens. I mean there's there's this class

(35:53):
is not only to J. Harvey also deep it is.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Yeah, Boggs just talked about R. G. Harvey.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
R J.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Harvey from UCF really interesting and man like he has
big time movement skills. I think he's going to be
a fascinating one to track through the pre draft prospect
Like I am a sucker for the power guys. I
mean maybe those guys are not great in Dynasty, but
like Taj Brooks has just put he can be the
thunder and a thunder and lightning duo. I don't know

(36:22):
if he can be the do it all guy. Monong
guy is really like big play guy. But I just
I worry a little bit about a smaller back who
doesn't catch passes and he was pretty much completely uninvolved
in the Rutgers passing game. But Devon Neil is a
favorite for sure. And I mean Devin Neil, Like every
time you would watch a Kansas game, it was like
all about whether the opposition could stop Devin Neil. Like

(36:44):
he was just such a difference maker for the Jayhawks
this past year. But yeah, it's a good deep class.
And I mean, skataboo. How many yards from scrimmage did
that dude have? Like eighteen hundred this past year? Twenty
four touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Again, everybody knows it's coming. Everybody knows it's coming, and
he still gets them. And it's the stamina too, and
that this is you know, the reason Najie Harris was
good and when he ever is good is because he
has the same energy in the first quarter where he
gets tackled for a two yard gain, where everybody has
the energy. He has that energy in the first quarter.

(37:22):
He has the same energy in the fourth quarter and
he's running dudes down. So that is just that's a
big part of his game as well.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
And before we move on, just one point about Skataboo, Like,
I don't think he's going to run a sub four
or five, and he might be closer to four to
six when he runs, But.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
We have dismissed small and he's not like that small.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
But we've dismissed in recent years, or at least I
have Kyron Williams and Bucky Irving because they were smaller
backs who didn't exactly melt stopwatches at the combine when
they ran. Don't make the same mistake with Skataboo, because,
like Bucky Irving and like Kyron Williams, in immense productive
college player.

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Speaker 2 (38:24):
Interesting class.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
This is the one where I am most interested to
see what you guys think about this position, because it's
very clear quarterback is a step down from last year.
It's very clear running back is a step up from
last year. It's very clear at tight end, which we'll
get to, there's no brock Bowers, but it's a it's
a better overall class than last year. Receiver is the
one where at the top it is clearly a step down,
just in terms of there's not a Marvin Harrison, Junior

(38:47):
Molik Neighbors. Maybe you could say make the case that
Tepic Millan is close to that. I'm curious see what
you guys say. But they don't have this kind of
like big trio, you know, throw dunes in there that
we had last year of all going in the top ten. However,
there are a lot of names that really interest me,
and I think the depth might be pretty intriguing. Even
though last year's class was also pretty excellent. I think
it probably is a step down, but I don't know

(39:07):
if it's as clear cut as maybe I would have thought,
eg going into the college season or b as it
is at the other positions in terms of a step
up or a step down. So I f's what's kind
of your before getting into the name, specifically, your kind
of overall projection of this class in terms of how
it relates to some recent years where where the last
thing I'll say is you hear people say a lot
like we're basically never going to have a bad receiver

(39:29):
class again because of just the way these guys are
developing in high school and in college is so different
than it was twenty years ago. So, like, you know,
even if it is a step down from last year,
if that's your opinion, it's not that it's bad.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
There's always going to be death at this position.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, I mean, I think there are four guys worthy
without question being first round picks, well three without question
and one with a big question, which I'll get to
in a minute, and then there are some really interesting
guys after that. All right, let's get to that big question.
Travis Hunter of Colorado like he is. If we knew

(40:05):
he was going to be a full time wide receiver,
I would rank him ahead of Tat McMillan. Like he
is that good. I mean, he is just an absolute
freak athlete. He's extremely nuanced and smart too. It's not
just pure athleticism.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
I mean, he is just I mean I saw a.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Highlight that I had not seen before of him almost
like contorting himself in half backwards to catch a throw
that was behind him, and I'm I don't know how
many other people on the planet could make that catch.
He is just an absolute freak. But he plays cornerback.
He played both in the NFL. He's not going to
be able to play both, or played both in college,

(40:46):
will not be able to play both full time in
the NFL.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
We know that.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
I saw Lance Zirline of NFL dot Com, who does
scouting reports for them, tweet out that he had talked
to Now I didn't understand if he said fourteen teams
or if he was using a ratio of three to one,
but he said of the teams people from teams he
had talked to, three of them saw Hunter as a cornerback.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
First.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
One saw him as a wide receiver first. I don't
know if that was a three teams to one or
a three to one ratio, but that's kind of how
I see it too, more of the Charles Woodson prototype,
where he's a cornerback first, who can be a fourth
wide receiver. Now, I don't care if he's the best
fourth receiver in the league. A fourth receiver is not
worth a first round pick in fantasy. And my fear

(41:37):
is that even after the NFL Draft, whatever team takes
him is going to be coy about how he's going
to be used by the time we have our rookie
drafts and we are left to guess what sort of
role he's going to have in an offense.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
And that's going to be.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Sort of terrifying, because, like, I don't want to miss
out on the talent. I don't want to draft a
guy who's got a twenty percent snapshare in an offense.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Talk about that highlight fits I saw somebody I forget
who it was, made the comparison to like kind of
the body control of Justin Jefferson, like, which is how
he can contort himself to make catches. And I can't
kind of unsee that obviously a different player in other respects.
But I feel like the overwhelming majority of analysis I've
seen about Travis Hunter, and this isn't talking directly to teams,

(42:21):
this is just kind of you know, evaluators and kind
of the draft industrial complex is full time cornerback will
have some packages at receiver, and like, unless a team
comes out and unequivocally the team who drafts him comes
out and unequivocally says he is a receiver, he is
not playing defense, I don't think I will draft him

(42:42):
in any rookie drafts, Like I will be too afraid
that I'm buying into the overall talent and hype, but
I'm getting a guy who's not gonna, like you said,
a wide receiver four, which is just not gonna be worthwhile.
So like, as much as I want to have Travis
Hunter on my team because he's what this freakish athlete,
the Shoho Tani of college football, I'm like, can't bring

(43:03):
myself to I take that risk unless the team leaves
absolutely no doubt in our minds, which I do not
expect to happen. So I think he's somebody I will
not be drafting. Where I mean if he follows a
couple of rounds, sure, but I'll take a sting on
the twel But like where I expect him to go
in rookie drafts, just because of the name, I will
not be in on him. I don't think Bogman, how
do you kind of evaluate just the situation overall with

(43:26):
Travis Sensor.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I think he have to let him try it, right,
And I think that's the whole thing is. I think
Fits is probably correct and that he can't do it
in the NFL. It's too much to do. There's too
many games. You know, you're not getting hit by guys
that are gonna be selling used cars, you know, in
the NFL, these are all professional NFL players, So I

(43:47):
don't think you can do it both ways. But I
think you got to let him try it. And I
think the easiest way to do that is to start
him at corner and then put him in packages on offense.
So I think that is the ultimate end game for
his rookie season. Now, you know, is he starting to
get torched or whatever at corner? I don't think that's possible, honestly,
But if he just doesn't perform well as a corner,

(44:08):
maybe they just flip him to wide receiver full time.
But I'm with you, he's gonna get drafted on name
value probably too high in most rookie drafts, so probably
won't be a guy that I'll be crazy high on.
But if he does go to a team and they say, no,
he ain't a corner, He's a wide receiver for us,
and we're not gonna mess with the corner stuff, he
will go to number one on my board. I mean,

(44:29):
that is the type of athlete he is.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah, so fits you mentioned, you know, maybe as many
as four receivers that you feel very good about. Obviously
Hunter has the question marks of the other three. I'm
sure Ted McMillan is one of them, and I'm sure
Luther Burden is one of them. Is Mecha Buka the
fourth or is it a different name?

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Yeah, Mecha Buka. I think he belongs in the back
of the first round. A guy who, you know, just
two years of outstanding productivity at Ohio State with a
down year in twenty twenty three because of injuries. But like,
this guy has always been surrounded by ridiculously talented wide
receivers and has still been super productive and just an

(45:07):
advanced route runner, a guy who's probably going to be
one of the twenty twenty five best route runners in
the league as soon as he steps in. Just yeah,
so good after the catch, reliable hands. I mean, I
feel like his floor is so safe that that's going
to be the appealing thing. Like Luthor Burton, who knows
like Luthor Burton could be a superstar or he could

(45:27):
be kind of a bust, but a mechag boo guy,
I think is going to be like a ringing double
to the gap where some of these other guys are
swing for the fence's home runner strikeout.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
I really like Luther Burton, by the way, and by
the way, maybe we shouldn't have skipped over them to
jump to the last guy in that group. Like Ted
McMillan and Luther Burton are highly rated receiving prospects. They're
very different players obviously from each other, but.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
They both lost a little going in from where they
were at the beginning of the year to the end
of the year burden because he was hurt Teed McMillan
really had some bad QB player, So yeah, they both
fell a little bit from their initial rating like before
the season started.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
So Bogman, set aside Ash and gen Z.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
We know he's going first and set aside the quarterbacks
because that's gonna depend on need and just your confidence
level in those guys. Of the other prospects, do you
see it as like the running backs should all go
ahead of these receivers. Do you see it as kind
of interspersed with each other. Do you see it as
McMillan and Burten should be the second and third pick,
So then you get into the tier two running backs.
How do you kind of put those positions together against

(46:29):
setting aside Gens.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah, I think there's a group of those running backs,
Hampton and the two Ohio State guys. I throw Scataboo
in there as well, with Burden and Ted and you know,
obviously depending on what happens with Travis Hunter. And I
kind of really like Trey Harris still, but availability is
the best ability. He might slip because of his injury

(46:52):
prone stuff, and if he doesn't run well, he's gonna
slip even further.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
He's not gonna run well.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Spoiler Yeah, Yeah, I don't know if he runs well either,
but I do really like him as a white out,
so uh, maybe he's maybe have a little two hyped
on him. Now, maybe that'll cool down, but I think
I think those guys are the next group, and I
think Landing Spot is going to, you know, really force
us to adjust and that will be the big separator

(47:18):
of those guys.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
So fits for you. Who's wide receiver five?

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Again, assuming we're putting Hunter into that top four, Who's next?
Is it one of these Texas guys, Isaiah Bond, Matthew Golden?

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Is it Stanford guy? Actually gonna just hand up.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
I don't know how to pronounce his name, elik el
elk am.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
And he is my number five, okay, it's my number five.
And you can ask Travis Hunter about him because he
had thirteen catches for two hundred and ninety four yards
and three touchdowns against Colorado in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
Man, he is a fun one. He is six to
two ten, just big, powerfully built possession receiver with his
big six.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
To the play sixty six right yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Yeah? Wait? Is that is six to two right? Bogs?
What's uh?

Speaker 4 (48:04):
I'm just checking. I think your sheet here we have
him listed six to ten. So yeah, I mean he
is just like and he is a low to bring
down man.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
When you.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
It was fun to watch his film because I had
maybe seen three minutes of a Stanford game all last
year when some other game was in commercial. But like,
he catches the ball and it's like one guy trying
to tackle them, two guys trying to tack them. Other
guys are running over from the across the field to
try to help bring this dude down. Eats up yardage
after the catch with these big, long strides yet but

(48:38):
makes acrobatic catches. The only thing is like pretty basic
rout tree. It seemed like, so my worrisome comp here
and I don't mean to terrify anyone with this is
is Treylon burks Like that's a little bit terrifying. And
I'm kind of a sucker for those prototypes like the
big catch and run hard to tackle guys.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
And but man, like.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
There's some real size to this class fits.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I mean, when you when you look at the kind
of the chart that bog together for us, the height
and weight. I mean, if you take Travis Hunter, who's
a little lighter because he's cornerback, I mean, it's a
lot of guys who are over six eaten. A lot
of guys are over two hundred pounds and you know,
at the top of these rankings. It is that type
of class, and I tend to really gravitate towards those players.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Yeah, not a lot of smurfs in this class at all.
I mean, it is a lot of dudes who are
six two six three six ' five, like savvy On
Williams of TCU, who you know, might be the next
cord Errol Patterson. But there's a lot of fun to
watch when he has the ball in his hands. So yeah,
this is, uh, this is the size class for sure.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I want to ask just to kind of look you
further down the receiver rankings. I want to throw out
ty Felton, just because I'm hosting the show and I
want to talk.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
About the Maryland guy.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
I was wondering why ty Felton's name was on this line.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Truthfully, some of my early kind of looking at some
of other sites are putting out his rankings. We don't
have our kind of consensus rookie rankings on the site
yet I have seen a couple of other places have him,
you know, up there in kind of that top twenty
five to thirty range of the rookie rankings. And obviously
as a Maryland guy. I watched a lot of ty
Felton this year, and he was awesome. He was so

(50:16):
unbelievably productive this season despite really like a huge step
down quarterback play. Because they lost Lea Tonguevloa this year.
They went to Billy Edwards Junior, and the dude tries hard,
but I mean he is not Talia in terms of
the arm and ty Felton was really productive from day
one and all big ten type of receiver this year.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
So I was actually really surprised.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
You know, Bogman, you have in the again the kind
of Google sheet you put together. I was surprised to
see how low Tai Felton is in the PFF ranking
because I was really impressed with watching. I'm not saying
he should be in the conversation as a first round
receiver or anything, but I wanted to at least ask
about him because A he's a turp, but b like,
like he's ranked lower than Kayden Prather for also from
Maryland according to PFF. I don't get that at all,

(50:57):
Like I would much rather have ty Felton on my
NFL TA he.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Think correct me if I'm mistaken, werem but wasn't was
Pray there like a big time recruit coming in. I
think he.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Transferred in maybe that's what it was, I want to
say West Virginia and so they only had him.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
For the okay career.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, I think maybe he was a bigger recruit, uh
than Tyfelton. I think that is probably what that was.
But yeah, I mean he is. He's a very productive player.
And if you want to talk about production in this class,
I mean you saw what Matthew Golden did in the
tournament for Texas, right, Uh, not a big name before that,
a transfer coming in from Houston, a little bit undersized,

(51:37):
one of the few guys that doesn't have size in
this class and may knock him a little bit. Rostreppo
is your all time leading Miami Hurricanes wide receiver, so
of all time over the playmaker Mike Curvin. Right, So uh, yeah,
there is a lot of production here. Higgins was a
huge part of Iowa States offense. A big dude. Nick

(51:58):
Nash had a million catches this year.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
I think I think Nash led FBS in touchdowns like
fifteen or something.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah, he had a ton. I mean the only time
he didn't get it was the time I bet on him.
So Lka Manor has made me a lot of money,
So I bet I had a lot of props on Elex.
So I watched him way more than three minutes of
the Stanford game because I was like, just one more catch,
come on, get my prop So I watched a ton
of him and then you know, we just go down

(52:29):
this list. As we're mentioned, Isaiah Bond didn't get a
lot of time. He's a big time recruit. Jalen Royals
was so electric at Utah State. He's high and I mean,
you guys don't even know the man crush that fits
has for save On Williams. I mean it was fifty
percent of our discord the other day he was talking

(52:50):
about Savvy On Williams. He loves this time.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
I mean he is just he is an absolute freak
bog man Like watching him. I mean he will like
hurdle dudes put on two spin moves after the catch
on one play. But I have to acknowledge, yeah, he
is a cord Errol Patterson. What was the other scary
net Leaviscus Shenault type of prospect where it's like all
after the catch and like I acknowledge I'm probably not

(53:15):
gonna be suckered into taking him even in the first
three rounds of rookie drafts. But man, the turn on
the highlights of Savvy On Williams and you two will
fall in love with this guy.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
But it's Bugman.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Remarkable that we get another pair of really interesting Texas recruits.
Maybe not as heralded as Worthy and ad Ni Mitchell,
but I think I'm partial to Matthew Golden over Isaiah Bond.
I just I think he's the better prospect. Big time
speed worm all wagh In on ty Felton, Like when
you threw him on the show sheet, I'm like, oh,
come on, this is just worm being a Maryland Homer

(53:49):
and then you know, you see the dimension six.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
Two or whatever.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
But like, this dude does not look that skinny. He's
surprisingly like I mean, he'll try to I through contact.
He's not really tough, yeah, not.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
Shy about going over the middle.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
And dude, he was one of the best ball trackers
of all the wide receivers I've been watching over the
last few days, Like, and I've been watching going down
rabbit holes big time with film breakdowns. Like his ball
tracking is among the best in this class, Like he's
got some ball skills, man, Like, I think he's gonna be. Yeah,
I think he's probably going to go somewhere around pick

(54:25):
one hundred, which is like back end of Day three.
I would bet within twenty picks either way of pick
one hundred. Wouldn't shock me if he went early third,
wouldn't shock me if he went late fourth. But I
think that's kind of his comfort zone for the draft.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I think you're right about that rage, and I think
he's going to be a great pick at that right Like,
I just think I think he's gonna be a guy
who's going to be an NFL wide receiver for many years.
And I he is not Stefan Diggs. In no way
am I saying he is that. But I remember the
Stefan Diggs year, like he fell somewhat to injury stuff
and some off field stuff with him. But like also

(55:04):
because Maryland had a terrible quarterback play and you didn't
get to really see the talent.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I don't want to make that mistake.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
And I happened to be highlighting Ti Felton here because
he's a turf, but I don't want to make that
mistake with any receiver and hold their college quarterback against
them when I think they're talented and if you're productive
with the passing game that Maryland was putting. He had
in twelve games ninety six catches over eleven hundred yards
and nine touchdowns with very core, very poor passing game

(55:30):
last year.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I am just very in on that just player and
buying the dip.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
There's another player kind of like that in terms of
just their offense and throw the ball a lot, and
Ricky White, the UNLV wide receiver, like they just don't
throw the ball a ton. They are a very, very
run heavy team. At UNLV. They went from Matt Sluca
who never threw it to Hodjmaake Williams, who threw it
a little more. This dude still had seventy nine catches,
one forty one yards and eleven touchdowns. That was coming

(55:57):
off a fourteen and eighty three yard season in the
year before. So Ricky White also a dude that a
little bit hampered by his college production, but is potentially
a better pro in a much heavier passing system.

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(56:53):
talk about tight ends because it was what do we
think about brock Bauers, love them, not really anybody else
we're diving too far into.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
This year, it's a bit different.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Obviously, there's a few names, and there is no brock Bowers,
of course, because most years there won't be a rock Bowers.
Obviously historically good prospect there. But there are some names
that we really like here. Kind of the three that
stand out to me at the top, at least at
the top in terms of how I'm thinking about it,
Tyler Warren out of Penn State, Colston Loveland from Michigan,
Harold Fannon Junior from Bowling Green. Are those the same

(57:26):
three names you would agree with fitz or would you
put you know, Gunnar Helm or Mason Taylor or anybody
else in there?

Speaker 4 (57:32):
No, it's those three, and I think it's conceivable that
all three are first round picks. Fannon is the guy
people might not be totally familiar with, and like, I
think Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland are going to be
in every mock draft in the first round. I don't
know if Fannon will be Fannin's different. Like, so, of
all all three of these guys, Loveland is the only

(57:53):
one who didn't put up numbers that would bug your
eyes out. But remember when everyone was like, well, how
do we know if Jay J. McCarthy is a good quarterback?
Michigan didn't throw much. Well, Michigan didn't throw much, so
don't hold that against Colston Loveland, but he is. He
and Warren have like this prototypical size. They're both like
around six to five, both around two point fifty, and

(58:14):
Loveland is really not far behind Warren if at all
Warren we saw him in the College Football Playoff. I
assume everyone watched what he can do, and he looks
like basically the second coming of Travis Kelcey. Fannin is
the interesting one. So this past year, I think Ty
Warren had like one hundred and four catches twelve hundred yards,
eight touchdowns. Fannin is like, hold my beer had one

(58:38):
hundred and seventeen catches fifteen hundred yards for Bowling Green.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Ten touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
The only thing with Fannin is that while these other
guys are like six ' five two fifty, I want
to say, Fannin's like six three two thirty, So you
don't know if he's going to be on the field
as often the other guys are gonna have giant snapchairs.
Fannin might be like kind of a part time player
because of his size, but boy, can this guy do

(59:04):
damage in the passing game. So man really exciting group.
But yes, to me, there is a clear top three
and it's those guys.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Is that the order Warren, Loveland Fannin for.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Me as of now, probably yes. I reserve the right
to change my mind on that though.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Bogman just in looking at those three again, same question,
are those the right three end?

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Is that the right order?

Speaker 3 (59:25):
I put gunner Helm in there. Maybe a little bit
of Texas Homerism, but the body is incredible. I think
he can go up and make some good catches. And
you know, Texas had a lot of weapons, so gunner
Helm still saw a decent amount of catches. But I
just think he's another prototypical tight end.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
I just made us talk about ty Felton in our
introductory rookie class breed because so I will allow you
to bring up a Texas guy.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah, gunner Helm. I mean, Texas has a lot of
prospects they have. You know, Kelvin Banks is going to
go probably top ten as well in terms of an
offensive lineman, a lot of defense prospects as well. So
I don't want to harp too much on Texas, but
I do like gunner Helme lot. But it's Tyler Warren
by a lot here. Colson Lovelin is probably exactly what
fits at I mean, you know, if you want to

(01:00:12):
talk about miserable quarterback play, I don't know if I
remember a big time school having worse quarterback play than
Michigan had this year. It was awful. It was historically bad.
They played musical chairs, they had so many different ones,
they ran at an insane clip, never held the ball.
Just terrible offensive performance from that team overall. But Colson

(01:00:33):
Lovelin was in one bright spot. So I think both
those guys as fits at are clear first rounders. Maybe
Harold Fannin falls into the second round day two because
of his size and the fact that he's not so
much of an inline guy, but who cares. I mean,
Mark Andrews is out there, you know, as a slot

(01:00:53):
wide receiver half the time. Isaiah likely is a bunch
of the time. Trey McBride is a bunch, you know
what I mean. So all of these guys, you know,
today's NFL in the tight end is not all inline blocking.
So Harold fan and should still go very very high
and be insanely productive fits In terms of you know,
where would you put Tyler Warren Right now? It's Bowers, McBride, Laporta, Kittle,

(01:01:17):
and then you have the group of Hawkins and Andrews
in joku that's tier one and tier two? Does Warren
go in? There? Is you just below those guys? Where
would you put him today?

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
Probably top five? For Dynasty.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I think so too.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
I mean he is he did look like a young
Travis Kelcey. It was yeah, and doing it for a
big time program that didn't have much else as far
as pass catchers, like not a lot of stars studded another.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Everybody knows what's coming and they still can't stop it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Is there a preferred destination like if he goes to
Denver where there's a clear opportunity young quarterback, it's a
Sean Payton like something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Is that would that move him up even more?

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
For you? Denver would be a great one for Warren.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
How can you not see the love connection between Jim
Harbaugh and Colston Loveland at you know with with Loveland
going to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
The number two?

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
They really do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Yeah, so yeah, they need more pass catching weaponry like
that would be a great match. So yeah, but Denver
would be a good one for Warren. But man, I
think that dude would fit just about anywhere where tight
end help is Like the only place I don't want
to see him go to the Colts. The Colts need
tight end help. But like I don't want to see

(01:02:28):
Warren go to the Colts and be paired with you know,
a maybe below average passer as a starting quarterback?

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Is there anybody else worth mentioning? I mean obviously Bob
and brought upgunner Helm. I'm I mean, just as you
get further down the lists, beyond these top three or four,
is anybody else that sticks out to you as this
is kind of a sleeper guy that I want to
keep my eye on. Who depending on landing spot, I
might like a bit or is it kind of you know,
top three or four or bus?

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
How about a legacy guy for NFL bloodlines, Ronde Gadsden
Junior from Syracuse. Kind of an other move tight end
guy like Fannin, probably too light to play in line,
but another really impressive pass catcher, Bogs. Who are some
of the other guys you like? I know you rattle
off a bunch in our.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Discord legacy guys. Not about Mason Taylor. Jason Taylor, that's right, Yeah, yeah,
from LSU. I think he could get on there. It
just he's huge, frame, great catching the ball away from
his body obviously, those super long arms, just like his
dad had very good pass catcher as well. And yeah,
there's some other guys down here that are interesting. You

(01:03:32):
mentioned Gadsden. I think Terrence Ferguson could have been more productive,
but they had so many weapons at Oregon, Jake bringing
Stool from Clemson. From Clemson had some big time games,
and just every IOWA tight end has to be considered.
And Mitchell Evans will be able to see some of
him on Monday in the national title game. Riley Leonard

(01:03:56):
throwing to him. He's become a bigger piece of this
offense moving down the stretch here. I think he's had
five receptions and three of the last four games for
the Irish, so I think he could be if he
has a good combine, he could be on a lot
of radars as well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
One of my big takeaways from this overall conversation is,
you know, last year you really wanted to pick in
that top eight, and then that back half of the
first were really back, you know, third of the first round.
There wasn't a lot of difference between those last three
or four picks in the first round and maybe the
first half of the second round, like there were favorites.
And obviously in hindsight, guys look a lot better now,

(01:04:31):
but in terms of how we were approaching going in,
there's a drop off after the top eight and then
like kind of a glom of people. I feel like
that back end of the first round early second is
actually a really good spot to be this year because obviously,
you know, like Genty's going on, he's kind of a
tier of his own. Guys like McMillan are up there
in the quarterbacks, but then there's a lot of running backs,
there's a lot of receivers, and there's three tight ends.

(01:04:52):
There's just so much depth to this class in terms
of that first round, early second that I think, you know,
obviously you'll prefer one PA or another based on need
or landing spot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
You might have a favorite player in that group.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
But I feel like, just in terms of how we're
starting off this conversation, there's not a ton separating that range,
and I'm going to be totally fine with whoever I
take in with an early second round pick or late
first I think I'm going to be pretty happy with
a lot of those options agreed.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
And that's the I'm probably less than a week away
from doing my first set of rookie rankings. I think
doing the positional rankings might not be that hard. What's
going to be hard is doing the overall rankings and
trying to figure out how to sort out Luther Burden
versus Tyler Warren versus Treveon Henderson.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
That's going to be the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Landing spot is huge every year, but this year I
think it's going to be the big separator going into drafts.
I don't like most NFL draft Then you can see
the much more concrete rankings on these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
I don't have the schedule up in front of me,
but I think our first rookie mock draft is going
to be in early February, a couple weeks from now,
after the Senior Bowl. I'm really excited to see how
something like that shakes out. And I get a feeling
because we're gonna do multiple of them during draft season.
I get a feeling unlike last year, where you sort
of fell into a pattern of you kind of know
what it's going to look like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
I think it's gonna be very different each time. And
when we shake up the order between.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
The three of us of who's drafting, when I think
those mocks are going to look very different in those
first you know, fifteen to eighteen picks, just depending on
personal preference and how it shakes out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
So I'm really have time for you to take type
Felton all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I'll take him with the last pick in every one
of those mocks. You guys can can save him for me.
Anything else we didn't mention here just as an initial preview,
like oh, we forgot to say this guy's name, or
this is my favorite sleeper, or do you guys think
we kind of hit it all?

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
I think we got most of it. I'm sure there's
guys that will pop up that we didn't mention today,
but I think we got most of it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Yeah, they're gonna be guys who test their way into
the conversation and maybe some guys who test their way
out of the conversation. Yeah, looking forward to the process,
and this is going to be a fun runway in
the UH all the way up to the lift off
of the NFL Draft.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
It's not as fun as in season football, but it's
a nice like you don't just fall off a cliff
after the season. You kind of get to transition to
the off season and really dive into another kind of
fun thing to stimulate the mind and think about dynasty football.
So I'm really excited for draft season as well. We'll
wrap up there for Bogman and Fits, I'm Ryan Worley.

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