WHAT A DEAL! | UNDERVALUED Dynasty Sleepers To Target (Ep.244) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast.
I am Ryan Warmley, joined today by Pat Fitzmorris and
by Scott Bogman. Fellas. We had the negative view last
week players to not draft or trade for in dynasty,
guys that we thought could bust this year, We're going
a little more positive today. We're doing the same thing
but the reverse some undervalued dynasty sleepers. You can consider

(00:25):
these guys that are maybe sleepers in startup drafts, maybe
rookie drafts, if there's rookies that we throw out there,
or in trades, Guys that we think are just values
and who could really outperform expectations this year and kind
of reset their dynasty values moving forward. So that's kind
of what we're going to be going through today. I
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dive into the sleepers here fits.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
We'll start with you, Michael Pennock Junior, the Michael Pennocks
Junior Era downs in Atlanta. I'm really excited about it.
I'm surprised his dynasty ECR isn't higher. He's at QB
twenty one. I've got him a quarterback thirteen and not
really a lot to go on from his rookie year.
So Pennix made three starts at the end of the season.

(01:36):
They were against the Giants, Commanders, and Panthers, not exactly
a murder's row of defenses. And he was good, not great.
Fifty eight percent completion percentage, two hundred and forty five
point seven passing yards per game, seven point four yards
per attempt, three tds, three interceptions, only ran for eleven yards,
did have a rushing touchdown. But you know, we know
Pennix isn't a runner. He's a pocket passer. Any rushing

(01:59):
production from him is just gravy. But man, we saw
the arm talent in those games, the last of which
was in overtime loss to the Panthers where Drake London
had one hundred and eighty seven yards and two touchdowns.
We saw Drake London get unlocked by Michael Pennox down
the stretch and like starting to think that maybe Penix

(02:22):
is the guy to make London the wide receiver one
we have all anticipated that he would be, but that
he was never able to become when he was playing
with Kirk Cousins. So yeah, Penix can just really sling it,
and the big time arm talent is the appeal. He
led college football well FBS college football in passing yardage
each of his final two seasons at Washington, threw for

(02:43):
almost five thousand yards in his final college season with
the Huskies. And Pennix like rarely takes sacks. I know
that's not a big selling point in fantasy, but it's
no small thing in the NFL. Sacks are drive killers.
Avoiding sacks helps keep the ball in the quarterback's hands.
And yeah, like Pennix is a little older and has
had some injuries. He's twenty five, but I mean we

(03:04):
don't really worry about age that much. As at quarterback.
Matthew Stafford's going to be I think age thirty seven
this year and he might have like multiple years left.
So anyway, I think Pennox is going to have a long,
fruitful career and the fact that his ECR is so
low is a little crazy to me. I've got him
ahead of guys like Kyler, Murray, JJ McCarthy, cam Ward

(03:27):
rock Purty, Trevor Lawrence, And you know, I think a
year from now people are going to be where I
am on Michael Penox and he's going to be like
a high end QB two in our Dynasty rankings.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Can you read those names again that you said you
have him higher?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Then it was Kyler, Kyler, Brockward, Party, Kyler, Murray, Brock Purty,
Trevor Lawrence, JJ McCarthy, cam Ward.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Okay, I think you make a really strong case for
Pennox being undervalued and a great target. Some of those
names I would still have higher than him, which one
like I think Lawrence, I'm buying in one last year
on him with the new play caller and two great
receivers now, I think he could take it, and he's
been a strong finisher in seasons in the past in Fantasy,

(04:10):
and then Kyler is like a tough one because like
the rushing upside is just so attractive. Like I totally
get it people who are generally out on Kyler and
don't want to be like in the Kyler Murray business.
But I think I would still have him ahead of
I think some of those other names, though, I like
the kind of aggressiveness of Penis. Like Panis is one
spot behind Ward in the consensus rankings. I think that's

(04:31):
a mistake. I think Penix should be like clearly ahead
of Ward. And you've kind of been the high guy
on PENNX unless I'm misremembering, like since last year fits,
so I guess it's less surprising that you are more
optimistic in ranking him and viewing him as a sleeper.
We know if Debro was on the show, he would
not be agreeing with you on Pennix versus McCarthy for sure,
definitely slap in the face to Deebro Kyler.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
I just don't know if Kyler is going to be
a starter three years from now. Quite honestly, and I
think it's pretty alarming that he took Marvin Harrison junior,
who is like super talented and like devalued him in
his rookie year, you know.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
And they can to stick Marvin Harrison at defensive end.
Have you seen his muscle game recently, La, you know?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
And if you want to be Linus in the pumpkin
patch with Trevor Lawrence, that's cool. I'll bring you, you know,
a blanket. Well, I guess.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
I mean he's he's almost every single every single name
that you said, FITZI. I have Michael Pennox behind I
and I only have him one spot higher than consensus
at twenty. So I don't share your enthusiasm, but I
do understand where it comes from. I've seen Michael Pennix
put on an incredible show against my Longhorns, right. I

(05:44):
obviously saw that when they lost to Washington to go
to the National Championship against Michigan, and you know, he
did have a great end of the season, But he
lacks the rushing up side that almost all those names
that you said have, so I just can't move him
ahead of those guys. But I understand, like I think
Tier two of quarterback is pretty nice right now. And

(06:04):
you know, if you can go all the way down
and get Michael Pennix, I think that's pretty good. Beyond
tier two it gets fairly ugly. So like there is
a big line of delineation between QB two and QB
three right now, and I think that Penix could float
to the top without issue, and I wouldn't be super
surprised by it. So I don't have him. I don't

(06:26):
I don't hate fully rank him. I'm just not as
high as you are on him, That's all I just want.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
To quickly say. On Lawrence by the way, like he
doesn't qualify as like a sleeper obviously, but I do
think he is undervalued in dynasty. I mean the two
seasons before last year, he was QB thirteen and QB
eight through for four thousand yards of both those years,
and that was in like pretty poor circumstances in terms
of the talent around him and the coachest.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Urban Meyer and Doug Peterson as his head.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
And also last year was the first year that he
really missed significant time. He'd only missed one game in
the Mountains because of a cheap Yeah, so like you know,
he he rushed for four touchdowns in twenty twenty three
five touch on twenty twenty two, so he gives you
some of that too. Possibly. I just think he is
a guy that I would not be surprised if he
was a consensus top twelve Dynasty court. I don't think
he's gonna be a top five, but it consensus top twelve

(07:15):
back in QB one in Dynasty after the season, given
that he's still super young and is in best play
caller he's ever had, I think, and now he's bride
Thomas Junior and Travis Hunter. So I really like uh,
I really like Lawrence, and I'm willing to be Linus.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, I get it. I'm I'm cautiously optimistic about him too.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
But you know, it's probably the last year I will
say that. I don't if he has another man. I
don't think I will say that next year, but I'm
willing to give him another.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I mean, I would definitely put up Pennix. I think
he is going to put up better passing stats over
the next five years than Trevor Lawrence will, and I
like little doubt in my mind that that's going to
be the case.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Okay, I disagree with you that I'll be fun to
track over the next next few years. I always tell people,
if I disagree with fits, you should go with fits.
So even oh I disagree, I think you should lean
on the fits. Aside Bogwin, who's your first sleeper here?

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well, speaking of insulting, it's JJ McCarthy, of course. I
mean we already talked about him a little bit. But
it's not just JJ McCarthy. I mean he hasn't started
an NFL game yet, but look at these weapons that's
around him, Jefferson, Addison, Hawkins, and Naylor, the Hedded your
boy typ Felton Worm. I mean, they are committed to
passing the football. And if you look at the Vikings

(08:28):
since koc took over Cousins in twenty twenty two, thirteenth
in points per game at quarterback, seventh overall. In twenty
twenty three, was eighth in point per games, and then
he tore his knee up He's out for the season.
In Week eate twenty twenty four, Donald, who had never
had success in the NFL, twelfth in points per games,
tenth in overall, and in terms of just you know,

(08:51):
passing volume twenty twenty two, they were third twenty twenty three,
they were six. They were seventeenth last year because they
were getting up on people and running in the game.
Aaron Jones had way more carries than most people would
put him down for last season. So I think McCarthy
has something that both Darnold and Cousins didn't have, and

(09:12):
that's rushing upside. Yes, he's coming off a major injury.
I understand that, but I just think that this is
one of those guys. He had nine hundred rushing yards
according to PFF stats. Obviously college you know, sacks count
for negative rushing yards for whatever reason why they started that.
But he had ten touchdowns as well, So he has
rushing upside, A full year to learn crazy weapons, pass

(09:35):
heavy scheme. I think there's a lot to like about
JJ McCarthy. No matter how you cut it now, he
still has to go out and do it. He has
to go improve himself. And I don't have him an
insane amount higher than ECR. I have him at sixteen.
His ECR is eighteen. But I think there's so like
a lot of these guys that we just talked about,

(09:55):
cam Ward could be a QB one. It wouldn't be shocking.
Trevor Lawrence can end up there, wouldn't be shocking. Michael
Pennix could easily end up there, it would not be shocking.
We're looking for guys that could become QB ones out
of this group, and I think JJ McCarthy is firmly
in there with his skill set, his weapons in the
passing offense.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
What's the phrase, geography is destiny when it comes to quarterbacks.
Like I even set aside, like whether or not you're
as excited about McCarthy the prospect as say deebro was.
The situation is so perfect, and I really think we've
seen enough from Kevin O'Connell to say, like, I think
he's closer to the mcfay's and Shanahan's of the world

(10:37):
than he is to the rest of the league as
a kind of QB friendly offense creator, Like he is
all about quarterback development. He really is a whisperer at
the position, and you just laid it out perfectly, Bog
and what he's done with other guys who don't even
have the legs of McCarthy, and that I think is
in a vacuum for koc Let alone. The fact that
he has Justin Jefferson and Jordan Attis and now ty

(11:01):
Felton and an improved offensive line. They drafted a guard
in the first round. Like, it's just really like McCarthy
would have to be an actively bad quarterback to not
take advantage of this situation in fantasy. And by the way,
Sam Darnold was an actively bad quarterback and even he
was able to take advantage of it. So like, I

(11:22):
just think the floor for McCarthy is much higher than
it is for your average twenty two year old second
year but hasn't played a game yet type of a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
And we know they're not going to Fitzi's favorite quarterback
behind him now, Sam Howell. Yeah, so so Sam Howell
was wretched in his.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Show fits. We know you don't like McCarthy as much
as Penix. Is that because you're so high on penis?
Or do you are you fading McCarthy at cost also so.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
High on penis? You know, I just think like his
arm talent is special, and you know, I do think
he'll be a better pure pass than McCarthy, But no,
I'm optimistic about McCarthy too, And I think it's telling
that Bogman was able to lay out this really compelling
case for JJ McCarthy without even mentioning the name Kevin O'Connell,
which I think is probably the biggest selling point for

(12:16):
like early career success for JJ McCarthy. And you know, also,
not only does he have those great pass catchers bogs,
but like they really made a good faith effort to
upgrade the middle of their offensive line in the offseason,
which has been a big problem for the Vikings, Like
Garrett Bradberry was just never really panned out. Now they've
got Ryan Kelly, they brought in Will Freeze, they drafted

(12:40):
Donovan Jackson, so they're really trying to set up JJ
McCarthy for success. You just worry, like, I hope there
is not a major injury of any sort this year,
because then you start to worry, like the tournament escus,
if there's something else in near two, then you start
to worry that injuries are going to thwart the developments

(13:02):
of this guy.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, he hasn't had one snap yet, Yeah, but you're.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Still also really telling like, you know, Aaron Rodgers all
but threw himself at the Vikings in the offseason, and
Quessey was like, no, we're good. You know like they
are because they are very committed to having McCarthy be
their guy, and of course they drafted him highly last year.
So yeah, I'm very much on board.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
I did not agree with the people who wanted to
put him ahead of Drake May last year, and I
was pretty adamant about that, and Debro and I took
opposite sides, and I think I'm going to be vindicated
after all this. But I do think McCarthy is still
a pretty good QB prospect.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Deebros. Currently in Dynasty rankings has McCarthy's QB eight fits
as from I see from your last update, is QB seventeen.
I feel strongly that he will finish between eight, not
that you will finish between eight and seventeen this year,
but that he will be viewed as Dynasty QB something
but beween, eight and seventeen when we're doing this a
year from now, barring an injury, that would very much

(14:04):
change things, like you laid.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Out, like in a super flex startup. He's who I
want as my QB two, is McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
I think you should be happy with him as a
QB two. It might if he's my QB two. I
might be more inclined to take a QB three earlier
than I would with a different QB two. That's what
I would be happy with, the upside of him as
my QB two, no doubt about it. Fits. Let's go
to your next sleeper, which is another guy that you
have been a big fan of since last year?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Right, I was upset I come to the sheet before me.
So there are two guys on your list that I
was upset about.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, you can be my Greek chorus. Then Bogs. It's
Ray Davis, the running back for the Bills. So James
Cook is going into the final year of his rookie
contract and he wants an extension, and I believe he
has said on social media he's looking for fifteen million
dollars a year. Now, it's possible the Bills do extend
James Cook before the start of the season, but I
don't think the Bills are giving him fifteen million a year.

(14:59):
And you know, might we see James Cook hold out
of training camp. I wouldn't bet on it, but it
could happen. And even if Cook doesn't hold out, I
wonder if the Bills possibly give Ray Davis more work
this year in anticipation of James Cook walking after twenty
twenty five. And it was a pretty solid rookie season

(15:19):
for Ray Davis. One hundred and thirteen carries, four hundred
and forty two yards, three touchdowns, caught seventeen of nineteen
targets for one hundred and eighty nine yards and three tds.
That was pretty good nine point nine yards per target.
I know it wasn't a big sample size, but like,
that's a terrific number for a running back. And the
high point of Davis's rookie season was Week six against

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the Jets. It was the only game James Cook missed
last season, he was out with turf tow and Ray
Davis had twenty carries for ninety seven yards, three catches
for fifty five yards, so one hundred and fifty two
yards from scrimmage. And Davis is just He's this tough,
hard nosed runner with good vision and quick feet. For
a two hundred and twenty pounder, he's thirty pounds heavier

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than James Cook. And while I don't really think Davis
is in James Cook's class as a pass catcher like,
Ray Davis is no slouch in that department either. As
we saw last year, he had sixty two catches and
ten touchdown catches in his final two college seasons. I
just think Ray Davis is a nice growth stock for Dynasty,
and James Cook's contract situation might open the door for

(16:25):
Ray Davis to have a greater impact in year two
of his NFL career than he had as a rookie.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Sorry if you address this, already fits, but for a
second year player he is on the older end. Is
that like kind of weigh on your mind at all
when thinking about him as a growth stock, but maybe
with not as much runway as a lot of running
backs might have.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, I mean it's still I guess I don't view
running backs as like super long term assets anyway. Like
I'm never counting on production into a running backs thirty
so you're looking for three or four good years.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Bog When you made it clear that you agree with
this one.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, I love Ray Davis and I think everything that fits.
Just said, you know, they've already paid Josh Allen, They're
working with limited money. They're not in that window to
give a big deal to a running back most likely,
So I think he's gone, and I think Ray Davis
showed in his one game last year that he can
easily be the guy. And to your point about, you know,
being a little bit of an older prospect, didn't have

(17:22):
any carries last year, right, Like, there's he got a
year almost of rest playing with the Bills here in
terms of on the field touches, so got a little
bit of rest. There's a lot of tread on the
tires for Ray Davis. And I mean, this is a
dude that's had to scrap to make it his whole life.
So I am very excited to see Ray Davis get

(17:46):
a shot next year, and I think it's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Bogman, let's go to a rookie running back for you.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, I'm going with Dylan Samson. And this one is
because you know, they drafted Quinchwn Judkins ahead of him,
and I think that that has pushed everyone's idea of
Dylan Sampson down the board a little bit. And I
was not the biggest Dylan Sampson fan going into the
draft either. But if you look at some of these
numbers from college, fifth and rushing touchdowns last year, seventh

(18:13):
and run grade, eighth in yards after contacts, seventh and
misstackles forced tenth in YAK per attempt, ninth in running
back yards per reception. All that at Tennessee in twenty
twenty four, and the Browns offense is going to make
an enormous shift. Last year they led the league in
passing attempts. It wasn't because they had good quarterbacks. It
was because they were losing in every single game and

(18:36):
they had to pass to try to play comeback in
the third and fourth quarter. You're going to see an
enormous shift away from that because that just got them
in these terrible shootouts that they couldn't win most of
the time. Only against my Steelers, of course, but you know,
they they just they had no quarterback and the defense
is still not completely fixed, so they are going to

(18:58):
need to run the ball, control the clock. That's why
they drafted Judkins, It's why they drafted Dylan Sampson. That's
why these guys are here is to shift the offense
holding in completely. So you know, I think both these
guys are better than Jerome Ford already. And I think
if they really did like Jerome Ford, they wouldn't have
drafted two guys because they had so many holes on

(19:19):
this team. He comes in with obviously, like I said,
ninth in running backyards perception, he comes in with a
floor of a third down, change of pace, two minute
offense back already. And I think quin Shaw Jenkins worked
a little bit better with another running back in Traveon
Henderson last year at Ohio State, So I think they

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split this more than people are anticipating. And I think
Dylan Sampson already has a pretty good role. I the
way that I saw him coming in was Devin Singletary,
which you know, a lot of people thought his ceiling
and still think his ceiling is higher than that. Maybe
it is, but Devin Singletary is a good running back
in this league from long time. So I'm I'm pretty

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excited about what Dylan Sampson brings to the Browns. And
I think they're just gonna run the ball so much
and that's gonna be the game plan. And if they
have to pass more, he's a better pass catcher than Judkins.
So I'm pretty excited about Dylan Sampson landing in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I love this pick. I agree very strongly with this pick. Bogman.
Samson was at times in the pre draft process my
favorite rookie running back outside of that kind of clear
like top five or six. He was the guy after
that group that I liked the most. He's younger than Judkins.

(20:38):
Judkins should be ranked higher. Obviously he went two rounds
higher in the draft, but I don't think like Judkins
is RB fifteen in Dynasty and Dylan Sampson is RB
fifty one, that gap is way too high in my opinion,
for we're actually going to get.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
There are some I've got him in forty one. I
have Samson at RB forty. I think that is much
more reasonable.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
I think I think outside the top fifty really like
crazy for a guy that has scored a lot of
touchdowns last year, can catch the ball, is super young,
is very athletic like, and I think as a very
clear path like I think he's going to be better
than Jerome Ford pretty quickly to like kind of like
you were highlighted to be like at least a top
two back in what is going to be an extremely
run heavy offense. And I don't think there's I don't

(21:20):
think it's a zero percent chance that he outperforms Judkins.
I wouldn't bet on that. I think Judkins is rightfully
higher and went earlier in the draft. But like, I
don't think it's some crazy wide gap between the two,
and I think the rankings, the way they reflect the
gap is is just inaccurate.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Honestly, I'm doing I'm doing rookie profiles right now for
the Black book Worm, and I compared the situation a
little bit, and they were both much you know, later
draft picks. But Jamal Williams and Aaron Jones going to
the Packers the same year, you know what I mean.
Jamal Williams went ninety picks ahead of Aaron Jones, and
Aaron Jones is a better running back, so it doesn't

(21:58):
always happen that way, and I don't think this is
going to end up that way. Just for the record,
I think Judkins is a better back than Samson, But
Sampson is not someone you draft in stick on special
teams or something. He came to Cleveland to carry.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
The rock fits. What do you make of Sampson's ranking?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yes, so I too have him at running back forty one,
same spot as Bogs. I do think maybe people are
making too much of the landing spot in him potentially
being blocked by Quinschun Judkins, whether that turns out to
be the case or not. But at the same time,
I do hate the landing spot. I was not happy
about this. I feel like he was one of the
losers in the landing spot lottery in the draft. Think

(22:38):
of how excited we would be if Dylan Sampson had
gone to the Dallas Cowboys. And I do think no
offense bogs to her Longhard. But like, I think Dylan
Sampson is way better than Jayden Blue, Like I don't
think it's even close.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Well, I mean, look, I think in terms of experience,
he's way more experienced. He's he's more ready to be
an RB.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
One and you know false, I think he's better than
Jalen Wright, fellow Tennessee product, Like when I watch those
two guys the last couple of years, Like to me,
it's like, right is not even in Sampson's league. I
think he's way better, way more explosive, tough for a
smaller guy, Like he's not just a little jitterbug, Like
he will bounce off tacklers and he is not afraid

(23:19):
of contact. Like I love his game, and I just
it does suck that he landed in the same place
where quin Shawn Judkins did, and it's a team that
still doesn't have its quarterback of the future yet or
at least not that they know of. Yeah, so I
hate the landing spot, but I love the player.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
I like I said, I like him a lot. I
have in strong agreement on this and I will be
shocked if a year from now, the gap again between
Judkins and Sampson in consensus dynasty rankings is thirty six
players wide, which is what it is right now. I
just think it's going to be smaller. So yeah, really
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Speaker 2 (24:56):
I wanted to go with at least one deep sleeper,
someone who might actually be on the waiver wire in
your dynasty league right now. So I'm gonna go with
Chris Brooks. This is not Green Bay Packer homerism. I
did just write something about Chris Brooks being a deep
sleeper for dynasty. In leagues with big rosters thirty or
thirty two players, Chris Brooks is a good player to

(25:18):
have at the end of your bench. He's only had
fifty five career rushing attempts in two NFL seasons, the
first with Miami. The second with Green Bay, but he's
averaged five point three yards per carry and four point
one one yards after contact per Carrie. Brooks has also
been a preseason standout the last two years. He's six
to one two hundred and nineteen pounds, which I wouldn't

(25:39):
be surprised if he is actually heavier than that. He
is an absolute load to try to bring down, and
admittedly Chris Brooks does not have a clear path to
playing time like Josh Jacobs. Is a true workhorse for
the Packers last year and probably will be again this year.
Marshaun Lloyd was regarded as one of the better running
back prospects in last year's class. He injured his ankle

(26:01):
in his first game of the year and missed the
rest of the season. But Chris Brooks has just popped
whenever I've watched him like he stands out. He passes
the eye test with flying collars. I just want to
bet on the talent and eventually hope that the landing
spot is going to work itself out. And like I said,
he's dirt cheap, probably available in the waiver wire in
a lot of leagues, and the only opportunity cost is

(26:24):
to use a roster spot on him. So I'm willing
to pay that lolo opportunity cost to take a chance
on Chris Brooks.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Did you mention fits where he's ranked an ECR.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Have it up If you didn't, Oh got he's like
running back one oh five or something.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Right, it's worse than that. It's running back one to eleven.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
It's really in looking at it, kind of a fall
from grace for a couple of the names around him.
He's one spot ahead of Donovan Edwards, who had some
interest when he was at the college level. He is
five spots ahead in the running back rankings, ahead of
Clyde Edwards Laire. So it you never know what's going

(27:01):
to happen with these guys, as.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
I thought, Cy Edwards Hlaira is gonna be so mean Fits.
This isn't a homer pick, but it's a homer pick
for the right reasons. It's because you've watched this guy
and closely, because this is your team, and you know
there's no one in front of him that's really challenging him.
Emmanuel Wilson isn't really challenging him. Marshaun Lloyd hasn't shown
us anything yet honestly, I would fear more that Savian

(27:27):
Williams gets carries and kind of pushes Brooks down the
list than these other guys. Brooks showed out well. And
you know, this is one of those things where you've
you've seen so much football. You see Chris Brooks in
preseason and in camp, and you hear all the buzz
about him, and you're just more focused on the Packers

(27:48):
than we are. And you see a guy that you
know has a potential to be big in this offense
if something does happen to Josh Shacobs. So I like
this pick. I was surprised by it when I looked
at your list.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
I did a double day when your names.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
But I was like, wo, we're going deep here, man.
But but there's a reason behind it, and I think
the reason is very good.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
It was love at first sight when I saw him
in the preseason for Miami in twenty twenty three, Like, whoa,
who is this dude? Like he is just yeah, he
is hard to tackle.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Man, big, big hulking back by U, right, Chris Brooks.
So I love that. But they love those big backs.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
I love that point Bogman, by the way, about like
being a Homer in a good way because like obviously
you people give me a hard time about bring up
like Turps and Ravens. I just know them better because
I watched them more. It's the same thing here, Like
it's not it's not that you're biased for them. It's that,
like you just have extra knowledge because you're following those
updates more closely than it is to follow.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
This isn't I'm not trying to sell you Aaron Shamplin, right,
like you're not trying to sell everybody, Keaton Mitchell, right.
I mean, like, you know, there there's a reason.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I always try to sell people Tye Felton, And then
Fits came around and was like, you know what you
should be trying to sell people, Tie And I was like, yeah,
I knew that because I watched a lot of Maryland
and nobody else does. And I respect the people that don't.
I wish I didn't watch Maryland football. Fog would give
you your undervalue Dynasty sleeper.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Let's go with will Shipley currently ECRRB seventy two. I
have him at fifty eight, and look, Saquon had three
hundred and fifty two total touches during the regular season.
Last year, he added one hundred and twenty nine postseason touches.
The Eagles let gainwell Walk he signed with Pittsburgh, they
added A J. Dillon. I don't trust Dylan as a

(29:33):
backup at all. Will Shipley is likely to see more
touches either way this season because Saquon had a million
touches and we know the history of guys with four
hundred touches in a season, right. Shipley paired well with
film offa at Clemson. While I don't think he's a
special talent in the NFL, he's above average. And if

(29:55):
he's going to get carries this year, it's going to
be behind the best offensive line in the league in Philly.
So at the very least, Will Shipley has to be
your handcuff to Saquon Barkley if you're rostering him. And
at the best something happens to Saquon, And now you
have a guy that has experienced with getting you know,
more than two hundred touches in college. He's better than

(30:17):
AJ Dillon. I think that's going to be a parent
very quickly. And Fitz is already shaking his head, his
head yes towards that sentiment. So I think with gainwell
gone and aj Dillon supposed to be the bigger back here,
I think Will Shipley has a role already and at
least he needs to be your handcuff if you're rostering

(30:39):
Saquon fits.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
What do you make of Shipley as a dynasty sleeper?

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, good pick. It's funny how we sort of like
certain prospects and then completely forget about them if they
have like uneventful rookie seasons. I'm going to bring up
a guy like that a little bit later, but yeah,
that's it. And obviously you're going to have an uneventful
rookie season. You're backing up a guy who has twelve
hundred touches or whatever it was that Saquon had last year.

(31:05):
So which is maybe all the more reason to like
well Shipley, because let's see if Saquon can continue to
you know, withstand that's sort of a workload. But yeah,
Shipley's versatile. PPR is the name of the game in
most dynasty leagues, and Shipley catches passes. So yeah, like,
I think he's an attractive end of the bench stash
for sure.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I think about this a lot. I am pretty much
willing to give a mulligan for almost every player's first season.
When you get into multiple seasons of being a complete zero,
it gets trickier. But for me, like that first year,
especially if it's really obvious why you weren't performing, because

(31:48):
what kind of opportunity even was there, I am almost
always in that scenario willing to say, let's let's give
a year or two maybe by low hold on to
him if he was on your team already, and see
what happened. So and then if there's another bad year, okay, eventually,
like you can't have roster cloggers, there's gonna be a
new batch of rookies. You want to kind of rotie
people in. But I think it's very reasonable to move

(32:09):
off after year two. I think way too many dynasty
managers move off players after year one in general. And
maybe that will prove true with Shipley, maybe it won't,
But kind of philosophically, that's why I try to approach
guys who again had a very clear lack of a
path to playing time in year one, Like how can
you blame him for that?

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, and he was a guy drafted by a smart GM,
And I always kind of credit guys for that like
that's why you know he's not going to make this show.
But like Devon tees Walker worm, like I trust the
Ravens taste in players and who they draft, and tes Walker,
you know, I know he's like basically at a red
shirt rookie season, but you know, like that's a team

(32:51):
I want developing a player like that, And the fact
that that front office tabbed him as a guy they
wanted in the draft makes me all that much more interested.
And that's sort of the case for Shipley too.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
I'm not that into devontees Walker, but that's a conversation
for a different episode. Fitz, you do have a receiver
here that you like quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Who you got Cedric Tillman, and he had a really
interesting twenty twenty five season. Didn't play much until Week seven,
which also happened to be the week when Deshaun Watson
tore his achilles and over a four game stretch from
week seven to week eleven, I think the Browns had
the're by thrown in in that stretch too. Tilman had
twenty four catches for three hundred and two yards and

(33:31):
three touchdowns. He was the PPR wide receiver eight over
that stretch in points per game eighteen point six PPR
Fantasy points per game. Then in Week twelve, Tilman got
a concussion, went uninjured reserve, didn't play again the rest
of the season. So we had a very short but
promising burst from Cedric Tillman in his second NFL season.

(33:53):
And yeah, some of it was fueled by Jamis Winston
in his hyper aggressive style. But you know, then it
looked like the Browns We're gonna draft Travis Hunter, which
really would have taken the air out of Tillman's tires
as far as dynasty value. But the Browns wound up
trading the number two pick. They did not draft a
wide receiver. The only receiver they really added in the
off season was Deontay Johnson, who you know, may or

(34:15):
may not stick on the roster depending on how he
conducts himself in the locker room. So it looks like
Tillman is going to have an opportunity to either start
for the Browns or at least be on the field
in three receiver sets. And you know, I think the
Browns muddled quarterback situation with Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett
and Shadoor Sanders and Dylan Gabriel, like, I think it's

(34:37):
going to throw people off. Tilman scent his dynasty ECRs
wide receiver sixty three. So Cedric Tillman is pretty cheap
right now. And I am intrigued based on that four
game outburst we saw last year. This is a big dude,
six three, two hundred and fifteen pounds, like he could
be a good old fashioned possession X guy. I'm very intrigued.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
And bog been watching Tillman in that kind of breakout
stretch last year. He just he passed the eye test
with flying colors in my opinion watching because I've said
it before, but I watched one of those games live,
the Browns versus the Ravens and Jamis's first start in Cleveland.
I was there in the building and I just watched
Tilman and I was like, this guy is a beast.

(35:19):
It was like, set aside the numbers, which were very
good obviously in that stretch, and set out that situation
all that, I was like, this dude is a really
really good wide receiver, and that makes me want him.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
I feel just luke warm on Cedric Tillman. I liked
him coming out of Tennessee took him forever to get
on the field, and then when he did get on
the field, he got hurt. So not only that, but
you know, we talked about it with Samson a little
bit as well, like they're gonna they I mean, they
may be forced to pass ball because they're still not
good and they're down in every game and all that stuff.
And if that's the case, then Cedric Tillman is obviously

(35:52):
going to be seeing more targets like Fitz. He said,
unless Deontae Johnson does calm down and you know, finally
fit into a locker room. But there's no way. I
just feel that there's no way Deontay Johnson makes this roster.
It's too young, it's too impressionable, and you have this
idiot in the middle of your locker room screwing everything up.

(36:13):
I mean, he's done it everywhere he's gone. It's you know,
it's why Carolina traded for him and cut him right.
The Ravens had him twice last year and then we
went back to him because of injuries and he knew
the playbook right. So I don't think Deontay makes it.
I think Cedric is the guy there. I just they
added Harold Fannon, another pass catcher. It looks like this

(36:33):
offense is gonna shift, and I wonder if Cedric Tillman
is long term, is in the long term plans. I
guess that's my question for him. So I don't have
him ranked very high. But the town is still very good.
I'd love to see him paired with a good quarterback.
Put him in Buffalo with Josh Allen or something like
that would be a lot of fun. There's just no
one to throw the ball, and we know Jerry Judy's

(36:54):
getting the ball first. We know in Djok who's getting
the ball first. Plus the running backs, I fear consistency
with Cedric Tilman has nothing to do with the talent.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
It's just it.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
For me, Cedric Tilman is death by a thousand cuts,
and that's why I don't have him higher ranked.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I get it, I am in based on what we
saw last year. But I do understand the case of
being a little more lukewarm about it. I think that's
totally fair bog when you've got another running back here
on your list.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, and this is the opposite, Like I really like
will Shipley's fit in Philly because the old line is great,
and like I said, I don't think he's special. I
think he's probably a little bit above average for the NFL.
This one, Isaiah Davis is buried for the Jets. He's
behind Fitzy's boy, Braylan Allen out of Wisconsin. He's behind

(37:42):
Brice Hall. But I think he's incredibly talented. I mean
last week or last year, at the end of the season,
we started to see him kind of push into Braylan
Allen's workload. He split carries with him the game that
Breece Hall missed in Week fourteen, he had twenty four
touches to Allens ten in Week fifteen, and we saw

(38:03):
Isaiah Davis in the FCS carry a big workload at
South Dakota State. He's a big, physical back. He has
a eight point eighty five relative athletics score coming out
last season, and I mean, some of these numbers that
he put up at the FBS level are just insane.
This dude. His last season at South Dakota State, two

(38:23):
hundred and thirty six carries. It's fifteen hundred and seventy
eight yards, eighteen touchdowns. He had fifty touchdowns and almost
five thousand rushing yards at South Dakota State. He also
added in seventy two catches or fifty three catches for
almost five hundred yards and a handful touchdowns. Like this
guy is a good performer. He's a three down type

(38:44):
of running back. He is buried, though, so I think
that he could pass Braylan Allen ear Muff's fits. I
didn't want to say that in front of you here.
I wasn't a big Braylean Allen fan going in. He's
definitely better than I gave him credit for. He looked
good last year, right, so there's I'm not trying to
take anything away from Braylen Allen, but I really like
Isiah Davis. And you know, there are rumors that the

(39:06):
Jets had Brisall in the trade market. Teams were calling
to see if that was a reality. They ended up
keeping him, which I think is the right move unless
you're one hundred percent sure about your quarterback. And I
don't think Justin Fields is one hundred percent thing right now.
I think he's going to be good, but he hasn't
stuck anywhere yet. I think you have to keep your

(39:27):
best offensive player, but I don't think bris Hall is
going to be on the jets very long and they
have two and even Donovan Edwards I like too. They
have three strong options behind bres Hall. So I think
Isaiah Davis is a guy you grab and stash and
just kind of wait and see if he gets his
opportunity fits what do you think about Davis?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
And it sounds like you will get his opportunity because
Aaron Glenn just keeps repeating that like they want to
have multiple backs involved there. So, like I mean, Brishall
investors should probably heed that because Aaron Glenn has been
adamant about this, you know, our guy, and the Coach
Speak Index has documented this like multiple times. So yeah,

(40:10):
I like Davis too. He's interesting. You know, I didn't
love Braylan Allen as a prospect either. I think he's interesting.
You know, I'm not quite sure how to handicap the
battle between Braylon Allen and Isaiah Davis on the depth chart,
but I do think Isaiah Davis is being overlooked right now,
and in that regard, yeah, he's probably a good guy

(40:32):
you can pick up pretty cheaply.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
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Dynasty Draft ADP. It's eighty one RB eighty one, so
he's just he's free pretty much.

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(41:06):
my playbook and dominate your league. Alra, you got a
few names left from each of you fits. Give us
a wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
All right? Marvin Mims and I've been beating this drum
like Keith Moon for a while, both for redraft and dynasty.
I just I think Marvin Mims is intriguing, and I'm
not guaranteeing that he's going to pan out, but what
we saw from him late last season six touchdowns over
the broncos last seven regular season games. He averaged sixty
two yards a game over that stretch. He did this

(41:34):
despite having snap shares between twenty three percent and forty
seven percent in every game over that stretch. So basically
from Week eleven on, Marvin Mims was wide receiver twenty
six and PPR fantasy points per game without playing even
half of Denver's offensive snaps in any of those games. Like,
that's pretty impressive. He averaged zero point seven to two

(41:56):
PPR fantasy points per snap over those seven games. Just
to put that into perspective, zero point seventy two. Jamar
Chase averaged zero point three to eight PPR fantasy points
per snap last season as the leading wide receiver scorer
in fantasy football. So what Mims did at the end
of the year was pretty eye opening. He's only twenty

(42:16):
three years old and now I was just on a
show where we were talking about Mims and one of
the guys on that show suggested that Mims might be
Sean Payton's knew Deverie Henderson, remember him, really really streaky
deep threat for the Saints from two thousand and four
to twenty twelve. He was with the Saints for the
entirety of his nine year NFL career. I'm hoping Mims

(42:36):
is not just another Deverie Henderson because Henderson never had
more than eight hundred and four yards or five touchdowns
in a single season. Although here's a fun fact about
Deverie Henderson. He averaged better than twenty yards per catch
for three straight seasons from two thousand and sixty two
thousand and eight.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Always a deep yes, but that was it.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Boggs like he was pretty much just a pure vertical receiver. Now,
Marvin Mims was used that way as a rookie. His
average depth of target in year one was fifteen point
four yards, but last year, mims average depth of target
was seven point four yards, And I kind of take
that as a good sign, Like a lower average depth
of target suggests that the play caller is proactively trying

(43:16):
to get the ball into a receiver's hands, and I
feel like that was starting to become the case late
in the year with Sean Payton wanting to drop ways
to get Marvin Mims the ball. So, I mean, I'll
be honest, because because of those low snap counts, like
you know, on one hand, it's impressed of what he
was able to do despite playing so few snaps, but
so few snaps isn't necessarily well, obviously it's not a

(43:37):
good thing. So I'll be honest. I don't know where
the Marvin Mims boss is going, but I want a ticket.
I want to be along for the ride.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Sorry, just give me a moment while I google who
Keith Moon is.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Oh, my goodness, you've heard of it? Who? Right?

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I love the h and I also was I was online.
I played drums in high school, so really I should
have known this one. Bogman, you also have a Bronco's
receiver on your list of undervalued Dynasty sleepers.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
I do this is this is interesting because I Marvin
Mims is a talent for sure, and you know you
can tell how good he is with the ball in
his hands because he returns kicks in punts. Right, It's
not a joke, but I think both these guys could
fit here. I have Pat Bryant, the rookie out of Illinois,
on my list here, and I think, you know, we've
heard all of the Michael Thomas comparisons from Sean Payton,

(44:33):
But Sean Payton, Pete Carroll, some of these coaches are
just they're Paulyanna, right. They're super positive about anyone that
comes out as the best player I've ever seen in college.
That kind of stuff. So, yes, the Michael Thomas comparisons
for Pat Bryant are hyper bollock, but this dude was
a touchdown machine, forty two of his fifty four receptions

(44:55):
resulting in first downs or touchdowns last season at Illinois,
Cam Sutton or Courtland Sutton, excuse me, is a UFA
in twenty twenty six. If he hasn't retained, it probably
means that Brian or Troy Franklin stepped up this season.
The third round hasn't been kind to wide receiver production recently.
You know, Tank Dell came out of the third round,
Josh Downs came out of the third round. But it's

(45:16):
also seen some bust Jalen Hyatt, Trey Tucker, Malchai Coraley,
Jermaine Burton, Roman Wilson, Luke McCaffrey did nothing last year, Right,
So it doesn't mean that Pat Bryant, you roster him
and he's for sure going to produce for you this season.
But I think he and Mims can co exist in

(45:36):
this offense and both be sleepers here, specifically off Courtland Sutton.
If they let him walk next year in twenty twenty six,
they don't have anybody else, right, so it's maybe Troy
Franklin works out. We know what Marvin Mims is he
has a high floor and if he can get the
ball more like FITZI said, they design him up some plays,
he could be way more of an explosive player. And

(46:00):
I think I think Pat Bryant fits here as you know,
you're kind of a deeper a dot type of player
who picks you up a bunch of first downs, So
we know they're going to run a lot too, and
you know that. I honestly, the run blocking is why
Marvin Mims is not on the field more fits he is,
because you know, right, I mean, he weighs like one
hundred and ten pounds. He's a waif, right Like, He's

(46:21):
very good with the ball in his hands, but he's
not throwing that weight around very well. Pat Bryant is
going to be on the field a lot run blocking.
He's going to see a lot of snaps because of
that motor. And I think he's just gonna stick on
the field once he finally does get out there, but
I don't know how soon it's going to be. So
there are questions for both of these players. Marvin Mims

(46:42):
already has a pretty decent floor. Pat Bryant has, you know,
a low floor. And a high ceiling. But I think
he's a risk worth taking. And again, he's free right now.
He's ECR wide receiver one hundred in ADP, it's ninety two,
and I don't have him crazy high, but I have
him at seventy five, so much high, higher than where
he's going currently.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Quickly fits, Do you have any thoughts on Briant like
related to your Marvin Mimm's interest.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
No, I mean I do think they're different enough receivers
that they would not necessarily cannibalize each other's production. Yeah,
I mean I'm intrigued by Brian and the Michael Thomas
comps for sure. I just I do worry a little
bit about the speed. Four point six y one to
me is pretty close to disqualifying for a receiver. Not

(47:27):
not entirely if you play the big sort of big
physical game that Pat Bryant plays. But yeah, I mean
jury out. I've not gotten him in any rookie drafts yet,
but you know, I do have a little bit of
fomo with him.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
I don't think I I wanted to get him at
least somewhere. I don't think I did unless I'm forgetting one.
So a little bit of Fommo too. One name left
from each of you will go a little faster. Fits
who you have? You have the only tight end actually
that we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Today, Yeah, Ben Sinnett. And a lot of people like
Sinnate as a prospect. Last year he was productive at
Kansas States. He's athletic four six eight speed of forty
inch vertical jump, and we loved the draft Capital Washington
spent on him since it was a second round pick
last year fifty third overall. But then Sinnate only played
twenty seven percent of the Commander's offensive snaps in his

(48:17):
rookie year and had five catches for twenty eight yards.
So the enthusiasm for Sinnate has sort of dissipated. And
the surprise development, I think was zach Ertz drinking from
the fountain of youth and having a really good season
sixty six catches, almost seven hundred yards, seven touchdowns. Ertz
was the tight end seven in PPR last year. But

(48:39):
Ertz is thirty four. He is going to be back
with the Commanders. But you know, like the end is
the end is Nie Sinnate is still only twenty two.
He turns twenty three next month, so he is the
future in Washington, and I actually think we can spin
Ertz's twenty twenty four season as a positive for SINATE
because Jayden Daniels fed Ertz a lot of targets, like
it's a positive sign that a good tight end can

(49:02):
be valuable in a Jaden Daniels led offense. So I
think this is the right time to buy in the
Senate after a very quiet rookie season.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Blackman, where do you have Senate ranked amongst tight ends?
In Dynasty? I'm pulling up ecr now he's tight in
thirty three, so he's outside the top thirty eight. Ertz
is thirty two, and send Its thirty three. In consensus rankings.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
I have him at twenty six, but I'm kind of
ashamed of that ranking. Honestly, I think I do need
to move him higher because I have some of these
rookies high too, and it fits you. Would you rather
have Senate or would you rather have like a Arroyo
who just was drafted to the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
I've got a royal higher me too.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
I have Ferguson higher as well, which may be a
mistake because a lot like I think Ferguson finds himself
in that same scenario that Ben Senate was last season, right,
Like they have Higbee there, they have Parkinson there, like
they're gonna I don't know how much we're gonna see
from Fergie in year one for the Rams. So it's
kind of the same scenario. It is tough to have

(50:02):
a tight end unless your tight end premium. It's just
hard to have a tight end sit at the end
of your bench that isn't doing anything. So that's probably
why I'm a little too low on him. But I
am too low on him. I think everything that fits
said is one hundred percent correct, and I think the
biggest thing is, you know, we can absolutely spind the
good year for Ertz to Ben Senate. We weren't even

(50:24):
sure that Ertz was going to play last year going
into the process, and he signed with Washington and was great.
I was surprised that he re signed, but it's kind
of one of those things. You know, your young quarterback
likes this target keep him right, So I understand that.
But they are going to give sin a long runway
to have success here. So if you can, if you

(50:46):
have the roster space to grab and stash him even
if he's not doing much this season. He is absolutely
one that I would and this is the guy that
This is the second guy when I said you got
to the sheet first, and I was upset about the
guys they were Ray Davis and Ben Sennet.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
So let me ask you guys this then, and I'll
use myself as an example. I'm in a tight end
premium dynasty league. I have Trey McBride. It's a very
deep roster. The only other tight end I have is
Ben Sinnet. Should I with an elite tight end in
tight end premium already but nobody else? Should I feel
comfortable with him as my number two? Or would you

(51:23):
guys in that scenario or rather have a third? Like
is he more of a high upside lottery ticket or
is he somebody you're comfortable with as a backup? Either
of you?

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Well, the only thing is for him to have any
value in twenty twenty five would probably require a Zach
Ertz injury. Not that that's out of the question because
Ertz has had some injury issues in the past, but yeah,
I mean you probably need to acquire a tight end
who could actually play in the event that something happened
to McBride. So I just don't know if Senate is

(51:52):
going to be that guy. Not this year twenty twenty six,
I'd feel good about having him as your number two,
but maybe not this year.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Where are you at on this team? Warm are you
pushing the chips in.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Or very much?

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I just got genty this year, like I had.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
The number one pick.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Then you you hang on the Senate, then yeah, this
is gonna say totally. If you're totally you're pushing your
chips in a tight end premium. You have to have
somebody that plays. But if you're if you're rebuilding, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
I have two good quarterbacks. I have Try McBride, I
have genty, and I have Lad McConkie. The rest of
my like twenty four person roster is just taking so
like I got a lot of like Javon Baker, Luke McCaffrey,
Jordan Whittington, Trey Benson, Chris Alave obviously got the injury stuff.

(52:39):
I mean, it it's a hot beginning. It's a rebuild.
Now it's a rebuild. Yes, well it's it's a built.
There was never a contender to get back to. But
you know, it's sometimes it's fun to have an early
pick in at least one league, so at least at
least I got genty out of it. Bob Man, take
us home with a player that has been a favorite
of this show for both of you guys.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Yeah, I think this might be the highest ranked player
that we talk about today, and he's the last one
we talked about. It's Keion Coleman, wide receiver for the Bills.
Currently ECRs wide receiver fifty two. I have him at
forty two. His ADP is about forty six, so kind
of in between both of those rankings. And just what
a weird twenty twenty four it was for Coleman. Right,
nice opening week, big snap percentage. In Week two, no

(53:25):
production though then he was late for the team meeting
and benched for the halftime and kind of got in
the doghouse at that point. We know McDermott is famously
tough on rookies, and he limped to the finish line,
and I just I think Coleman is going to bounce
back big this season. The Bills let Hollands walk so

(53:45):
they can give Coleman a real chance. We know McDermott
is hard on rookies, like I said, but they have
the reigning MVP throwing the football here. I'm not saying
that Coleman is an automatic flex player or anything, but
I still think he has opportunity to be, you know,
like your your first option off the bench, potentially a
flex option in PPR. I think people are viewing him

(54:09):
as a deep threat only right now because you know,
he made a couple of big plays and didn't do
a much It didn't do a lot outside of that.
I think that this season, though Coleman has a real
chance to be the leader of this Bills receiving room,
it wouldn't be the most surprising thing. Ever. I like
little Shakir, I don't think his upside is nearly what

(54:30):
Keon Coleman has. Maybe I'm going in here a little
bit too close. We were highly invested in Keon Coleman,
and I haven't been a lot of places, so I'll
fully admit that maybe I'm over invested. But I really
do believe in Keon Coleman's talent, and I think just
the inconsistency and snaps, the weirdness of the rotation and
how McDermott treats rookies was tough for him for year

(54:53):
one and That's why we have two Bills rookies from
last season on this list is because the Bills cold
Bishop only played and he was a high pick for them,
and they had problems in the secondary right. So they
like to season their their rookies for a year or
two before they give them significant playing time, which is
not a bad strategy. It has worked for them in
the past, and I think that we're seeing that with

(55:15):
Keon Coleman, and I think he's kind of overall being
ignored because of his wacky performance, the up and down
that it was in twenty twenty four. So I'm stand
in pat I am. I am here still loving Keon
Coleman and hoping that he can break out this year.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I was surprised to see him when when you put
him on this list, I looked at where he was ranked.
I was surprised to see him outside the top fifty
and ECR he's fifty two in consensus, and even just
looking at the staff rankings like fits you have him
inside the top forty, which is which is not that surprising.
Debro has him almost sixtieth. He's got a wide de
server fifty eighth like that seems crazy to me. Just
given the talent, where he went in the draft a

(55:53):
year ago, the fact that he's now year two, the
fact that he gets to play.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Receivers deep, it didn't have to give him that right
wide receiver's fair. But the upside like like.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I'd rather have Coleman on my roster than Michael Pittman,
who's consensus higher. Like even if like Pittman is is
we've seen it before, but right, but just like I
think the upside is really good. I mean, and to
your point, like I wouldn't frame it as he's playing
with the UH with the reigning MVP. I would frame
it as he's playing with the reigning second best quarterback
in football if you ask me. But but no, it's
a great offense to be and then there's opportunities to

(56:23):
go by facts. He's playing with the reigning second team
All Pro quarterback as how I plot. But no, he's
really good and fits obviously given where you rank him,
like I know, I actually think it's your highest according
to ECR, of any expert in the industry. You have him,
It says here I'm looking right now that are His
best rank in Dynasty is thirty eight, and that's where

(56:46):
you have him.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, and you know, I know Debro would be uh
fighting mad that I've got him one spot ahead of
Trey Harris. But look like I mean, the draft capital
was pretty similar and Coleman's been around for to get
his feet wet for one year. Coleman also, you know,
doesn't have to share balls with Ladd McConkie. He is
a pretty special receiver like I like Khalil Shakir, but

(57:08):
he's no Ladd McConkie. My one worry is that maybe
like Coleman gets pigeonholed as a deep threat, like he
averaged his average depth of target was like fifteen points
I'm looking at it right now, fifteen point four yards
as a rookie, Yeah, fifteen point two sorry, averaged nineteen

(57:28):
point two yards per catch, you know, nine point eight
yards per target, which is actually a really strong number.
But like what I like is that, you know, you
want your receivers to have one area where you know
they can win. And for key On, Coleman's that's ball skills.
Like his ball skills are like almost George Pickens caliber,

(57:50):
like he is, he is special in that regard as
like a contested catch artist. High point the ball thrown
like ten feet over your head, guy, he can come
down with those catches. So yeah, I mean, I just
I don't know if he's ever going to be like
a super high volume receiver, but I think those ball
skills are going to play and give him a long

(58:11):
and hopefully fruitful career.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Five hundred and fifty six yards on twenty nine catches
last season. That's nineteen point two yards per reception.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
He did miss four games. I mean, to give him
fifty catches, you could then he could have been a
seven hundred yard guy if he played a full season, So.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Right, I think that. I just think there's a lot
of meat on the bone for Coleman's development. Doesn't mean
it's going to happen, absolutely not. I mean, you know,
we've been wrong about players before. But I think the
downside is he becomes this, you know, one trick, deep,
deep shot pony type of a guy. And that's okay too,
It's not you know, it probably means his ECR is correct,

(58:53):
but I think there's more than that with Kean Coleman,
and obviously Fitz does too. He has him higher than
I have him.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Right, don't want him to be the next Deverie Henderson, Bogs.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
No, we do not all right, or did not think
we'd be talking Debri andrews now Multis on the episode.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
We'll go ahead and wrap up there. Thanks everybody for
tuning in. Hopefully we get some positive feedback since we
had a positive episode as opposed to some of the
net We we had to be negative last week nature
of the episode, so we get to we get to
be positive this week. That's more fun being hopeful and
optimistic for Bogman and Fits, I'm Ryan Warmway. Thanks for
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(59:33):
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