Who Are the Future Franchise Quarterbacks? | The 2025 NFL Draft's Top 10 Quarterbacks (Ep. 199) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, and welcome into the Fantasy Pros NFL Draft Show.
Today we break down the top ten incoming prospects at
the quarterback position. I'm your host, Seth Wilcock, and today
I'm joined by a man who just cashed a very
nice seven to one Rookie of the Year ticket on
Jane Daniels last night, Derek Brown, akd bro. What's going on, pal?
How is the week of diving into the quarterback film

(00:23):
treating you?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
It's been good man? Uh yeah, uh stacking a little
bit of cash show. Mean, some of us knew the
entire time Jane Daniels was him, So it's a good
day to be a Jane Daniels stand But man, I'm
excited to talk about these quarterbacks with one of the
best in the business today, man, because I'm not gonna
sit here and out the gate just hate on this
quarterback class. Yeah, I think we got some good guys
in this class. There's a big drop off and a

(00:47):
big cliff we're gonna talk about in this show. But
it's very interesting quarterback class.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Seth definitely, absolutely, And we also have a special treat
for you today, ladies and gentlemen. We are joined by
perhaps the coolest looking dude in the NFL Draft game.
His hat game is unmatched, as is his content over
at Destination Debi and Bleacher Report. Ray Garvin ak Ray
GQ Ray, thanks so much for making time for us today. Man,
how are you as we sit roughly three months away

(01:13):
from the NFL Draft?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Appreciate you all having me anytime. Debro comes calling and says, Ray,
we need you on the show. I'm there, so appreciate
you having me on. Excited to do this one and
I'm excited about this twenty five class. Talking through these quarterbacks,
I think what you're going to get this year is
for the past couple of years, we've known, without a
shadow of a doubt, this was going to be QB one,

(01:35):
this was going to be a solid QB class. Back
in twenty three twenty four of those were our thoughts.
But as we progress to twenty five, there are a
lot of new names and a lot of players that
people aren't familiar with, which makes this process, in my opinion,
even more enjoyable because you're gonna have differing opinions on
every one of these guys, and ultimately where they land
is going to be very, very impactful for us. So

(01:56):
excited to dive into it, talk about it. I don't
know who de Bro's got run. I don't know if
he's got any support we shared us, but I'm excited
for this one.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Baby awesome. I appreciate you being here.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
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(02:30):
big Board, and before we go, player by player, Ray,
I'd love to just get your pulse on the overall
thoughts at the position this year. Do you kind of
agree with the masses that twenty twenty five is a
weaker quarterback class now that Drew Aller is officially heading
back to Penn State here in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, I don't think Drew Aller had any impact on
the class being stronger. Oh God, I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Believe that fair at all.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Okay, I do think the QB class is a lot
less certain at the top than it felt in years past.
Is it going to be better or worse? I'll just
say this. I've done this long enough to where the
ideas and the beliefs and the thoughts that we have
at this stage of the process like, no one's going
to be right or wrong until a couple of years
from now. People thought twenty twenty three was can't miss,

(03:12):
twenty twenty one was can't miss, and then you go
back and it's like Trevor Lawrence was the best that
we got out of there, Trevor Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, mac Jones.
You look at twenty four and there are people questioning
Caleb Williams today. A lot of people didn't think bo
Nicks deserved a job in the NFL, and now he's
a dynasty QB seven. So to say it's better or worse,

(03:33):
I just think that this is a class where the
names aren't common and familiar to a lot and there
are a lot of names that people don't particularly care for.
Therefore we view it as a weaker class. But we'll
see everything has remained to be seen until a couple
of years from now. I think it's fine. I think
it's a fine quarterback class.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Deep, Bro, Is that how you kind of described it
as well? Fine? Is that the adjective for you?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah? I mean I think it's a solid class. I
think that there are going to be a lot of
different opinion about a lot of players we're going to
talk about, especially at the top. You're gonna see a
lot of bearing opinions, a lot of narratives, and guys,
come on, we've been doing this long enough. The echo
chamber gets strong, narratives get built, yes, and sometimes that

(04:15):
can be a lot of steam around certain players. Sometimes
that can be a lot of hate or shade around
certain players. Some of it is justified and some of
it isn't. Man. So I love getting ray On here
and especially to talk quarterbacks too, man, because I feel
like he is one of the people in this space
that cuts through all that noise. He has his opinions,
he does the work, he watches the film, and they

(04:36):
might match consensus, but a lot of them might not
match consensus because he does his own damn work, man,
And I think there's something to be said for that.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
All right, Well, let's go ahead, let's jump in. First up,
We've got Miami transfer quarterback cam Ward, the six foot two,
two hundred and twenty three pound quarterback. He definitely has
the prototypical size compete at the next level. And while
some late season upsets kind of ended Miami's postseason bid,
Ward did bring back the you to now sational relevancy
for the first time really since the early two thousands.

(05:03):
Led the nation in passing touchdowns second and passing yards
also Kentucky and run when he needs to. Seventeen rushing
touchdowns across his career, both at Miami and Washington State. Debro,
what does your initial evaluation tell you about cam Ward?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Dude has a crazy high ceiling. And I really like
cam Ward, and I'm not gonna I'm not starting this
off to cause I know he has consensus QB one
on mock draft database. He is my QB three in
the process right now and not trying to jump out
of here, you know, throwing out what some might consider
hot takes and stuff like that. I like the kid,

(05:37):
and I don't want to sit here and bury that
too far. But I do see maybe a little bit
of a wider range of outcomes than maybe some people
do for cam Ward because the high end parts of
his film and the high end moments of his game
are extremely awesome, like and just taking people through the
roller coaster that I had personally watching cam Ward's film.

(06:00):
I mean, first two three games I'm diving into. I'm like,
this dude's freaking awesome. Man Like, he's lacing balls to
the second level, He's putting balls into tight windows NFL
type of throws, making hero plays, creating outside a structure,
and being aggressive. Like for me with quarterback mindset, I
don't want you making foolish plays. But at the same time,
if I would rather a quarterback go into the NFL

(06:21):
and you're trying to teach a guy to dial it
back a little bit than to teach him to ramp
up and make those throws that you got to sit
here and get ready, and it takes some gumption to
sit here and say I'm going to try to fit
it into that window. Now, in saying all of that
by cam Ward, there ain't never been a tight window
that cam Ward doesn't think he can fit the ball into.
And so that kind of leans me into the wider

(06:43):
range of outcomes for cam Ward. The high end moments
are extremely high end. Like we're talking about this dude
has the talent to be in that top ten conversation
of quarterbacks in the NFL. If everything coalesces hits, the
situation is good and he can move away from so
some of these moments where you see him put the
ball in harm's way, and honestly, it's the ebbs and

(07:06):
flows of his game, the aggressiveness I get. I would
like to see cam Ward go into a situation in
the NFL where they dial up, not saying some easy plays,
but give him predetermined first reads, dial in some screens,
some quick passing into that NFL offense that I'm not
saying neuters cam Ward's game or dials back that aggression,

(07:28):
but you're giving him layup singles and doubles to where
he still has it in his back. He can go
be superman, can go cape up when you need him
to do. But kind of much like we saw with
Caleb last year, every quarterback needs to be able to
cape up in those moments. But I don't want you
living with the superman cape on every single freaking down.

(07:51):
That's not how you got to stay ahead of the
sticks and you have to play on schedule in the NFL.
So cam Ward and what leans me into that again
that wide range of outcomes is can he balance the
aggressive nature a little bit better in the NFL because
the down moments for him, he's sailing throws. He's trying
to sit here and put the fastball ninety eight miles

(08:13):
an hour on freaking five and seven yard out routes,
and you're like, dude, you ain't got to do that,
like die it back some and throw it some touch.
That was the definitive like demarcation line for me determining
where he falls inside that top three. And I think
the top three quarterbacks are more fluid for me, But
I really like cam Ward. If he hits a ceiling,

(08:33):
dude's gonna be a top eight to top ten quarterback in
the NFL, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Love it. Ray, You've been watching this guy. You've been
in those Debbie streets for a while. You saw him
tear up the PAC twelve and then the ACC this season.
What do you think on Ward?

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, first thing that comes to mind for me with
cam Ward is, no doubt, experience in arm talent. He
has played a lot of football from the time he
stepped foot on the field add incarnate word in twenty twenty,
his final snap here at the University of Miami and
the game. He's thrown for over three hundred pass attempts
every season of his career. So when you're looking at
an NFL that seems to be adjusting to quarterbacks who

(09:08):
have experience, you look at Bo Nicks, JJ McCarthy, Jaden Daniels,
Drake May. These were players who had a lot of
reps at the collegiate level, and not always do reps
and experience equate to fantasy goodness and success. But I
want a guy that's seen some things, right. I love
me Sam Anthony Richardson throughout the process, but it was

(09:28):
very clear that the experience level for him was lacking significantly.
Even when you look at Bryce Young CJ. Stroud in
his class, respectively. The arm talent for cam Ward is undeniable.
There isn't a throw that he can't make. I actually
just did a film review for my Patrons of Elijah Arroyo,
and there were throws there that he was making to

(09:49):
the tight end, just in tight windows, as Debro was
talking about, that were incredible. When you look at some
of his advanced numbers. I mean, his EPA per play
is up there with everybody in the class. It's tied
with Jackson Dart point three to six. You don't have
anybody in the class over thirty percent EPA per pass
attempt like per play, Nobody. It's Jackson Dart, it's cam Ward.

(10:11):
His completion percentage every year of his career. I like
to value those things. I value incremental growth. I don't
expect every player to go leaps and bounds and go
from rookie to all pro. But when I want to
see is you stack seasons, you stack momentum, you stack
your progressions, you learn from your mistakes, and you see

(10:32):
cam Ward continue to grow. I don't have him at
QB three, but I agree with Debro that I think
the top three guys are very fluid, very interchangeable. He's
not my quarterback one either. I have him right now
as QB two in this class, and it's going to
be very dependent for me where he lands in relation
to Dart and to Shirdoor Sanders. But when you just
look at some of his physical tools, his makeup, and

(10:55):
I'm just going to tell you one of the things
that I like the competitiveness. I love watching him and
Shador train together, talk shit to one another and go
at it like. I love that competitive fire, his experience,
his arm talent. These are things, These are reasons why
people are very excited about war. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Absolutely. I mean he goes into a situation a lot
of criticism from Mario Christoval and everything that he's done
wrong in his tenure down there at Miami and before that,
and really proved himself. I feel like in the acc
on the national stage as well, so cam Ward, he
is the quarterback one from a consensus standpoint, Maybe not
for Debro and Ray personally though. Next up we have

(11:35):
perhaps the most high profile quarterback prospect in this year's class,
Colorado Shador Sanders. Being primetime son, this kid has gotten
the best out of everyone his entire life and continues
to rise to the occasion. He led the country in
completion percentage this year seventy four point two percent. Clip
also was third in passing yards second and passing touchdowns
with over thirty five. And despite not being really a

(11:57):
great athlete by any means, I feel like he can
uses legs a little bit more than what we did
see in college. But the development of the arm has
been there from Jackson State to the Pac twelve, now
the Big Twelve. I think that was incredibly impressive. Ray,
what more can you tell us about Shador Sanders who
was looking credibly cool at the NFL Honors last night.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, Shador is cool, he is calm, he's collective, and
he's seen it all. This is a guy that if
you don't recall people who don't remember and think that
he just was a Jackson State quarterback. He was a
four star recruit that decided to go to Jackson State.
So this was a highly touted recruit who has shown
an ability from the time he stepped on the field
to be accurate with the football and the leadership. There's

(12:40):
nothing this young man is not faced from an adversity
standpoint that he'll see at the at the next level.
He's faced it, he's seen it all, and he continues
to navigate through very challenging things that we've seen a
lot of other players his age and his experience crumble from.
He's got the mental makeup to survive at the next level.

(13:01):
But we're talking about the physical tools and the talent,
his arm talent. I think it's fine enough his EPA
per play this year point one nine, which is below
cam Ward and Jackson Dart. But here's where he really
shines Colorado folks. This was a team where two years
ago people said Dion shouldn't even take the job. They
were one of the bottom three teams in the country,

(13:24):
one of the bottom three teams in the country. And
what this young man was able to do with this
team over the course of two years, it's incredible. Is
completion percentage over expected much higher than that of cam
Ward ten point four For Shirder Sanders completion percentage over
expected cam Ward five point four, Jackson Dart six point six.

(13:44):
And don't even get me started on Jalen Milroe point five.
You're talking about a player, despite his adverse circumstances, was
still completing more passes than advanced metrics even thought he should.
One of my concerns with Sanders, the biggest concern that
I have with him is leaving the pocket. Twenty four
point two percent is the amount of time he left
the pocket. Compare that to cam Ward seventeen point eight

(14:07):
percent and Jackson Dart only eight point five. I'll just
say this that Colorado offensive line I don't care how
you slice it, debro It, text me like, man, this
twenty four offensive line is bad, I said, Bil, this
line is fifty times better than what he had changed,
So there is context to everything. I think he's an

(14:29):
incredible point guard. I think in the right offense, he
can be that point guard for an NFL offense. Do
I believe he's a truck a guy that's going to
be able to come in and change everything overnight lead
a team by himself. No, but there are very few
of those guys in the NFL. I think Shador is outstanding.
He is my quarterback one in this class.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
De bro, where do you have him in your current rankings?
And what more can you add on him?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I'm with Wray. We're riding together, baby. He's my KEYB
squad ride. It's I mean he is. He is my
clearer KEYB one. I want to be very big specific
about that because I want to start this conversation and
adding to what Raide already put out there that I agree,
and I think the context of the Colorado offensive line
really plays into how we need to digest Sanders numbers

(15:15):
and Ray brought up out out of pocket percentage dude,
I'm just gonna lay some more numbers hending for people.
Colorado's offensive line in twenty twenty four was fifty first
and past blocking grade. Now you look at Sanders and
a lot of people in the process are going to
talk about he's got a high time to throw. It's
twenty third highest amongst all FBS quarterbacks last year at
least one hundred fifty dropbacks. I don't care about that

(15:38):
because if you watch his film, you can give easy
context to this. Because the amount of quick pressure and
free rushers this dude faced on a routine basis was ridiculous. Dude,
like you want to talk about having to play Superman
on a freaking down to down basis because your offensive
line is garbage. That is Shugar Sanders dude, like he

(15:58):
was having to do all of this on his own.
And I don't think like time to throw needs to
be how we can textualize Sugar Sanders' game. I think
a better way, if you want to look at one metric,
is to look at the fact that in three of
his last four collegiate seasons, his pressure to sack ratio
despite the bad offensive lines that he played at for
most of his collegiate career, he had a twenty point

(16:20):
two or lower pressure to sack ratio. And I think
that tells the tale about Shadar Sanders as well as
the film regarding some of these numbers and his accuracy.
His superpowers are his mental IQ for the game. You're
not going to throw a lot at Schador that he
hasn't already seen in freaking college. This dude, he showed
that second level of ability. Because it's not just the

(16:43):
offensive line outside of Travis Hunter. His wide receivers of
Colorado weren't just freaking awesome either. We're not talking about
a quarterback that was working with a wide receiver corps
a lah Jane Daniels and all these Lshue Shoots or
some of the other guys like Ohio State. Other players
were talking about hell even Warden what he had to
throw the ball to in Miami. So looking at what

(17:04):
Shador had at his disposal, look at what he was
able to do on a down to down basis, and
looking at what his superpowers are, which is accuracy and
ball placement, and that plays up in the NFL nine
times out of ten, it does. It really does. Like
for me, there are certain things that you cannot teach

(17:25):
a quarterback. Maybe they can learn, maybe they can grow,
but you're telling me. And one of those things is
ball placement, Like, can you get better? Sure, a lot
of guys can get better. Can you go from being
okay accurate to I'm throwing to locations? Fine, a lot
of guys can do that. It is rare when you

(17:46):
see a quarterback because that's muscle memory. Man. That comes
back to how you've been playing the game since a
young kid. Your mechanics, your release point, muscle memory, all
these things. So his ball placement is freaking awesome. He
has the arm strength to make every freaking throw that
at the NFL team needs. I'm not worried about any
of that noise. And as far as his athleticism, his athleticism,

(18:07):
he has plenty of it. I'm not expecting him to
be a hypermobile quarterback. What I want Shador Sanders to
do the same damn thing that you did in college
was show me some of the best footwork and the
quickest release maybe in all of college, and your escapability
in the pocket, which shows me that you have athleticism
and enough of it to survive. And as well as
succeed in the freaking NFL. Is his footwork, his escapability

(18:30):
in the pocket because he buys time like he's already
in the NFL game. And I think that we could
see a second level to his game, not only because
of the growth as a player, but talking about when
you drop Shadur Sanders into a better environment, and yes
I'm talking about these top teams being Tennessee, Cleveland, how
even the Giants if he falls that far, I don't
think it happens. But if he does, what can we

(18:52):
see out of Shudur Sanders' game in the NFL when
he has maybe better skill players overall to throw to,
or at least say say it's the same, but a
better offensive line, even a league average offensive line to
play behind, and he really has time to sit back
there and dice defenses up. Sure, because he's got the
arm talent, he's got the ball placement, and he shows

(19:14):
a high level of IQ because you'll see multiple times
where Shadur Sanders is doing those second level things that
you already expect out of an NFL quarterback, moving guys
with his eyes, throwing players open, coming out of the pocket,
and there's multiple times where none of his wide receivers
are open in the progression, and you'll see Schadurs step

(19:35):
up in the pocket and present the opportunity or the
threat that he might run. And you have corners of defenders,
linebackers trailing guys on crossers or what have you. They
come off of them or he freezes them for a
second and guys are now open and he hits them
in an accurate pass. That's NFL type of stuff, and
he does it on the regular. So Chadur is my

(19:57):
easy QB one, and I think Ray agrees with this
because he is has got the highest floor of any
guy in this class as well as he still has
a highest ceiling. Now I agree with Ray. Can he
be an elite guy, a top three to top five
quarterback in that Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. I don't know
if he can get there, but can he sniff maybe

(20:19):
if everything hits somewhere in the area code of some
of the things that Joe Burrow provides to Cincinnati. It's
possible because he has the mental acuity and he does
everything you need a quarterback to do with ball placement
and as far as from an accuracy standpoint on a
down to down Basis Ray.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
In the superflex format for Dynasty rookie drafts, would you
consider Sanders at the one oh one or is Genty
still you know, kind of locked in there for you.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, I still think Ashton Genty would be the top guy.
I'm still taking Genty as the top guy. I can agree,
I can take Genty and go buy Shitter Sanders and
somebody else in Dynasty. So I still think the the
ability to the flexibility that Jenti gives you, he's the
one on one right now in my opinion.

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polarizing quarterback prospect in this class, Alabama's Jalen Milroe. At

(21:51):
six foot two, two hundred and twenty five pounds, he
definitely has the size compete at the next level, but
it's been a very up and down career for this
Texas native. Pas scene was somewhat regressed this past season
with the shift of offensive coordinator despite freshman Ryan Williams
being there at wide receiver, and he had some miserable
games against Oklahoma against Michigan in the Pop Tarts Bowl. However,

(22:12):
he still scampered over seven hundred rushing yards twenty rushing touchdowns,
seventh in the entire nation this season, and was nearly
unstoppable in the ground game against good SEC opponents like
Georgia in the first half, LSU, and then Auburn in
the Iron Bowl. Debro, What does your film study tell
you about Jalen Milroe.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
That I'm not in on him? Oh, that he is
not a top three quarterback for me, that on a
daily basis I struggle with is he my QB four
or is he my QB five or six in this class?
And that's where I come down with Jalen Milroe. And
I don't think he's the first round prospect. And this
is I know that. You know a lot of people

(22:51):
are like, oh, well, you just got back from the
Senior Bowl. You're gonna heavily. I thought that about Jalen
Milroe before I even went to Senior Bowl. I mean,
I'm texting Ray before we go to Mobile and I'm like,
I'm not in a Milroe like. I think a lot
of people are gonna double count all of the athleticism,
all of the raw traits. I think they're gonna see
him run a four or five maybe at the combine

(23:13):
and think, and people are gonna and then the hype's
gonna build and stuff, and it's like, yep, dude, you
already knew he did all these things. You already knew
the athleticism. I don't need to know how much he
freaking power cleans. I don't need to know how fast
he runs. I don't need to know the miles per
hour on his ball. I don't care about any of
that because you watch the film and you already understand

(23:34):
all those things. And I do think that to a
certain extent. And this is one of the problems that
I have with Milroe's game is that he tries to
answer too many equations and solve too many problems with
his legs. And I'm not saying that he's overrated as
a rusher, but I think he is a linear rusher.
He has speed, but are you talking about that? Is
this a guy that has quick twitch? Is he a

(23:55):
Lamar level athlete? No? Not in the open field. So
I don't think that he is special enough as a
rusher to cover up a lot of the sins that
he has As a passer. He just doesn't have it, man.
And that's where I come down with Milroe's game as
a passer, because looking at just all the growth that

(24:17):
he needs to sustain and have as a passer from
collegiate level to the NFL, I just have a lot
of worries and concerns if he ever gets there. Because
it's not only the internal clock, which I think I
feel like when I watch Jalen Milro's film, he's a
second behind in progressions, He's a second behind. Clearly, the
internal clock is a second or two behind, it's a

(24:39):
tick slow, and I'm like, the best way that I
can frame this for people is there are very few
quarterbacks that I walk away from watching their film where
I have to stop the tape at multiple times and
I'm legitimately getting ticked off because I'm like, throw the ball,
throw the ball, get it out of your hands. There's
a wide receiver running across the middle of the field
and a cross or or your second level guy, your

(25:01):
second read, and I'm like, get rid of the ball.
How do you not see this guy running open with
his arm up in the air, Like, throw the freaking
ball to me, and Milroe doesn't see him. Now, a
lot of that can come to what he was asked
to do in college, and some of it. Some of
these guys come from offenses where it's like thir to
your first read, third to your first read, and they're
not building full field progressions even half field progressions on

(25:25):
a lot of different plays. So there's context to that too.
But there's so many parts to his game as a passer.
Whether we want to talk about anticipatory passing, we're going
to talk about playing on schedule, hell, even talking about
layering second level throws and you need that skill versus
zone defense and being able to dice those coverages up
or too high. In the NFL, you don't see that

(25:46):
a lot from Milroe. You see a lot of throws
on a line, a lot of fastballs, a lot of
flat throws where it's like you got to get that
in your bag. Like I'm not telling you got to
be a lead at it, but you need to be
able to freaking do it and do it on a
damn consistent basis, or you're gonna have some strung man
unless there's clear passing lanes, and a lot of times,
especially in newer dis iteration of the NFL, you're not

(26:06):
going to see that, and you're not gonna see a
ton of single high on on most weeks. So I
just don't look at where he is as a passer
and as a processor and the other parts of higher
nuance to his game as a thrower that I worry
that is he going to get there in the NFL
when the game speeds up, when things get more complicated.

(26:29):
And I don't think that he's special enough as a
rusher to answer all of the equations that the NFL
and NFL defenses are going to pose for him.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
I feel like the one argument that could go in
his favors that this Nick Sheridan led offense in twenty
twenty four was quite the step back I felt like
from Tommy Reese's offense in twenty twenty three. And then
I mean, Ray, we already saw it, like Ryan Grubbs
come in, He's he's taken over this offense. Sheridan will
remain on staff. But do you think the offense that
Shardan was running hurt the development of mill Row? And

(26:58):
that does that go into your pets at all?

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Here?

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Not really the reason why I worked in collegiate athletics
for ten years in athletic departments and the job of
these college coaches that they don't give a shit about
prepping them for the NFL. They are trying to do
everything in their power to keep their job to win
college football games and try to prep them for the

(27:21):
next level. So there's a level of projection that we
have to do that everyone's trying to do at this
point in time. And I'll just say this, I made
this declaration last year that I believe Anthony Richardson was
going to have a major impact on the other rushing
hopeful quarterbacks that we see that aren't flighters, refined and developed.

(27:45):
And I said at that time, if a ridge fails
in the NFL, I think it's going to have a
negative impact on those type of quarterbacks coming out. Jalen
Melroe deebro was a lot nicer than me. He is
not a good rusher, He's not. I know that he
had one hundred and eighty five yards against LSU this year.
Last year he had one hundred and fifty five yards

(28:06):
against LSU and four more times so against LSU is
probably thirty percent of his collegiate rushing production. Eight touchdowns
in three hundred yards versus LSU over the past two years.
But he's a runway winner. I've watched Alabama for better
or worse, every Saturday because they're playing on CBS every Saturday.
He's slamming into the back of offensive lineman's more time

(28:26):
than not. And for somebody as athletic as him, you
would expect to see a consistent output of rushing production.
Make me feel in a way that even if you're
not as refined as a thrower, that I can count
on you to be a dynamic rusher at the next level,
and I can't. One of the metrics that I really
really hone in on for quarterbacks are completion percentage over expected,

(28:48):
and he is by far one of the worst, along
with quinn Ewers point five percent point five percent. Just
based on his environment, he is completing half a percentage
more than expected. When you've got players like Shador ten
point four percent, ten point four percent, cam Ward five

(29:08):
point four, Jackson Dart six point six, and you got
Jalen Milroe here at five. At the end of the day, man,
I don't care how dynamic an athletic you are. As
a rusher, you are going to have to sit back,
go one, two, three and throw the football. And right now,
at this stage of his football career, in his development,
he is not equipped to go in and succeed at

(29:31):
the next level. That does not mean he can't come
into the NFL for a game and have a Malik
Willis type performance where he runs the ball a bunch
and scores some points and gets excited about But y'all,
we watch football every Sunday and you got people dogging
out Hurts and Lamar and all. He's not there yet.
That is just a quarterback that I hope he lands

(29:52):
in a good organization to where he can learn and
sit and grow and maybe somewhere down the line you
can have a nice weapon for you. But right now,
I'm just it's I'm having a very difficult time seeing
a competent level NFL quarterback.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I'm totally with you, Ray. Two things I want to
add here before we move on with Ray, I gives
some context to the rushing amongst eighty qualifying quarterbacks last year,
Jalen Milroe ranked only thirty thirteen yards oft contact per
attempt in twenty third and elusive rating. So this second
low like this, this elite alienability for rushing, he ain't

(30:29):
got that. And the other part about this, And again Ray,
I'm curious your thoughts here. Man, Like when I went
to and after I watched Milroe's game and I watched
all these quarterbacks, I went to just the draft order,
and I'm like, if this dude doesn't go first round,
I don't think he goes first round, and he shouldn't
go first round. I don't know if he goes in

(30:49):
the second round, man, I really don't. And this comes
down to when you look at the order of teams
in that second round. If he don't go to Cleveland
or the Giants or Tennessee at the top of the round,
where's he going? Because then you're talking about Jacksonville, Vegas,
the Patriots, like Chicago, all of these teams, the Jets,

(31:12):
forty nine ers like, depending on what their quarterback situation
looks like. There's you can go all the way through
the second round. I could list off all these freaking
teams and I'm like, they got a quarterback, they got
a quarterback, they drafted a quarters Pittsburgh maybe, I mean,
I mean maybe, but if you're Mike Tomlin and do
you want to sit here and take on a project
and stuff like that. I don't see Mike Tomlin doing that.

(31:33):
But if he doesn't go to Pittsburgh, where does he fall?
But I mean legitimately, like and I'm not trying to
spit hot takes here, but like Ray, if he doesn't
go at the top end of the second round, do
you see a scenario just like and I don't want
to put you too much on the spot here, man,
like having to pull up like all these teams in
the second round.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Could he fall to the.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Third because I think he could have him Elik Willis
type of fall in the NFL draft and people are
left wondering, whoa what happened?

Speaker 3 (31:58):
That feels like the spot man Round three didn't we get?
Isn't that where Desmond Ritter, Milik Willis, Ye, Matt Corral
they were all in that range.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Ken was a third round pick, so that draft, same
kind of guy.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Kyle Trask Win at the back of the second to
the box, and Kellen mand was at the top of
the third. I believe right there with Davis Mills. He's
a Day three pick, okay, because if he lands in
the right side and you can run around and game manage,
maybe maybe some years down the line. De bro, you've
got something. But this is a late day two pick.

(32:36):
And I'm just gonna say it. I've done it. Our
boy thor my boy Keith Sanchez from Draft Network. We
got to stop mill Row in the first We gotta
stop doing it no more. Top ten mil Row. He
had an opportunity to get people excited in Mobile and
he was forgettable. He was forgettable outside of the fact
that you knew and Alabama quarterback was in Mobile all.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Right at the quarterback four in the consensus rankings, as
old Missus Jackson Dart. This was another Heisman hopeful coming
into this season, ultimately fell short of the College football postseason. Still,
Darts efficiency off the chart this past season led the
SEC and passing completion percentage also led the conference in
passing yards twenty nine touchdowns just six interceptions thrown to

(33:23):
Trey Harrison company. He can also run the ball a
little bit, went for nearly fifteen hundred yards on the
ground for the ReBs after transferring from USC Ray. What
are your thoughts on the twenty one year old Dart.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
I don't know if you could see it in the background,
but there's a USC helmet back somewhere, and yeah, there's
a USC helmet there. And Jackson Dart started his career
at Southern cal and unfortunately for him, Caleb Williams decided
to transfer to USC which forced Dart to Old miss
So it ain't his fault. He was very good at USC.
I like Jackson Dart. I think seeing him in person,

(33:57):
he's got good size to him. He's built, very well fit.
Quarterback de Bro's got some girth down there right his
hips or why he looks quickly put together? The arm
talent is there. You saw it in practice. He's got
enough zip on the ball, plenty of arm strength, and
he played in an offense where there were a lot
of things that he had to do. He had to

(34:18):
run a lot of checks at the line of scrim
and he was able to command at offense. One of
the things that I love about these big three quarterbacks,
they all have tremendous amounts of experience. This is a
three year starter in college playing in both the Pac
twelve and the SEC, and had not been for Trey
Harris being injured, Jackson Dart's numbers probably would have looked
even more ridiculous. My thing with Jackson dark again. I

(34:43):
watch a lot of college football, and it seemed like
in the moments, in the games that mattered the most,
he came up small. I know a lot of people
are going to look at that LSU game. He went
toe to toe with Jaydon Daniels, but when Ole Miss
needed Jackson Dart, there was something there that did and
just quite click. I believe he's got functional mobility, but

(35:06):
that dude ain't out running Micah Parsons to the edge.
It's not happening. He's not getting around Fred Warner. He's
not that level of athlete. I believe, if you want
to go to that kind of quarterback comparison, I think
JJ McCarthy's legs and his athleticism is tenfold better than
Jackson Dark, as well as Bownecks and Caleb Williams. He's

(35:27):
not that level of a rusher. He's got functional mobility,
but he is not a dual threat quarterback for the
next level. Hell No, I put a thread out of
his fifteen yard runs, all of his fifteen plus yard
runs in twenty twenty four, just to see what that explosiveness,
that dynamism looks like in the open field. No, He's

(35:48):
a functional, tactical scrambler, but he is not a dual
threat quarterback. I prefer the arm strength the competitor. I
just prefer Sanders and Ward to Dark. I think when
it's all said and on Debro, we are going to
be looking at a top fifteen pick. I can see
him getting steamed up into that top fifteen. I put
him at seven in my last mock to the New

(36:09):
York Jets. I think that's where we're going to end
up with him. I think he's a good quarterback. I
don't think he's ready to go right out the gate,
and I think landing spot will be very big for him.
What offensive coordinator is he paired with? What's his weaponry
look like? I just don't think he's this dynamic duel
threat quarterback that some people are billing him up to
be Debro.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Where do you have him currently in your rankings? And
I think what Ray put out there is just a
guy who maybe struggles in the biggest moments. I mean,
we saw a true freshman DJ lagway down there in
Florida Storm this guy off the field, and they're a
postseason hope. So I'm a little bit lower, I think
on consensus than Dart, But where do you stand on him?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
I'm higher than consensus. He's my QB two of the class.
I really like Dart and I'm with Ray, and I'm
actually gonna push him a little bit higher. Ray, I
think I'm with you. I think he goes top ten.
I want Jackson Dart and I think Jackson Dart will
see how this age is that could be ages like
Milk and the Sun. But I think Jackson Dart should

(37:10):
and will go to the Las Vegas Raiders at number six.
You put him in a chip Kelly system and the
things he'll be asked to do. And you're going to
design a lot of quick passing, You're also going to
access the deeper parts of the field as well as
playoff of play action. I agree emphatically with everything that
Ray laid out about Jackson Dart as a rusher. I

(37:31):
think he's probably got somewhere in the realm of like
four to seven speed as far as the forty. I
don't think that he's a dynamic rusher. I think can
he scramble? Yes? Can he pick up chunk yards if
a defense falls asleep and they're allowing that, or if
you know the progression or how the coverage sets up
and Jackson Darts sitting back on the pocket and he says, oh, hey,

(37:52):
here's a free six yards. Can I go get that? Sure,
he can go get that. I put him somewhere in
the same area code as a rusher as like bow Nicks,
But I don't think that he's probably even gonna match
like bow Knicks. I think to properly contextualize Dart in
the NFL, I think he's probably gonna end up somewhere
in that high threes, low fours type of rushing yards
like in the best case of scenarios, maybe lower depending

(38:14):
on on the scenario in the scheme.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
And he's a little bit does he does he move
a little bit like Russell Wilson used to move.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
A little bit kind of I'd say Ray in that
Knicks or maybe like a justin Herbert. Maybe a little
bit less than Herbert. As far as like an athleticism,
I don't think he's as athletic as Herbert. You made
a face. Do you think it's Herbert's more athletic.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
He's I don't think he's Knicks Knicks can move, Matt, Yeah,
I mean, Knicks can boogie skate. What you want about
him playing cool, he can. He can move. And that's
what he was from Auburn all the way through Oregon.
I think he's fine.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
I think three four hundred yards is fair, but that's
that's high end for the best high Josh Allen's in
that four or five hundred range.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah. And and I think I think that in most
situations you're not gonna see Dart like I don't think
Dart is a guy where coordinator is going to be
scheming up QB runs as a an integral part of
the offense or even a major part of the offense.
I think that it's gonna come down to if there
is opportunistic parts of the game where he can scramble.
I think he can do that. I don't think that

(39:20):
they're going to not just saying RPO, because RPO is
going to be part of whatever offense he goes to,
or it should be part of it. And that's why
I love the fit with Chip Kelly. But looking at Dart, dude,
like as a passer, I really like this kid. I
think he has an NFL arm. I think he has
the arm strength to make every throw that you need
in the bag. He has all the clubs that you need.

(39:41):
I think that he goes through progressions well. He utilizes
the middle of the field. He gives guys a chance
to win. Like That's one of the things about quarterbacks too,
going from college to the NFL. Being NFL open and
being college open are two totally different conversations to have.
Jackson Dart has no problem fitting balls to second receivers
in the progression into tight windows as well as we

(40:03):
ain't even talked about his best skill. I think his
deep ball is easily his best skill and the ball
placement on those deep balls, and I did not list
this as my comp And I'm not evoking his name
to because I was extremely high on him last process
we saw him go out and crush. I am not
going to evoke his name in the same sentence because

(40:24):
I don't want people to run away with that clip
something up or look at this and get the wrong
impression of where I am on Jackson Dart. There were
times where I watched Dart's film and I did come
away with there were similarities to his skills and his strengths,
and as a passer to Jade Daniels, I'm not telling

(40:44):
you that he is on the same exact plane or
level as Jane Daniels, but the ability for touch, feel,
ball placement, and especially the deep ball prowess, there are
a lot of parallels that you can draw between these
two quarterbacks that will not be my I'm not saying
that he is Jaden Daniels or in that same stratosphere

(41:05):
about the ceiling that I see for Jackson Dart in
the NFL, But are there similarities to how he wins,
where he wins, and the high points of his game. Yes,
I really like Jackson Dart. He will go top ten
in the NFL draft, and I'm here for it. As
soon as they open betting lines. I'm telling people right now,
smash the freaking under because it's gonna open in the twenties.

(41:29):
Even with steam catching, it's gonna open in the twenties.
I think it opens in the thirties. If you are
watching this show and you hear the sound of my voice,
you need to be pulling up yours preferred sportsbook and
betting that immediately. Bet the under. He's going high.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
I agree, de bro can I just add a couple.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Of absolutely MILabs of contexts.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Explosive play percentage between Dark, Ward and Sanders, which is
the percent of plays resulting in thirty plus yards Sanders
eight point one percent, Ward seven point one. Jackson Dart
eleven point one percent of his passes going thirty plus
yards down the field point three to six EPA per play,
which was tied with cam Ward, but EPA per pass
almost forty point four zero, which is higher than Ward

(42:14):
and doubling up Shadoor. Sanders completion percentage is strong a
chunk play a percent of pass plays over fifteen yards
twenty seven percent, which is right behind cam Ward's twenty
eight and significantly higher than Shador Sanders' twenty. He can
sling the ball. He's got a gunslinger mentality. You saw
it in Mobile. I agree with Debro. I think he's

(42:36):
a top ten pick. Go ahead and get ahead of it.
It's going to happen. And as crazy as that Jaden
Daniels take may sound, I've got receipts of people who
at this time last year didn't even know if Daniels
would be a top fifteen pick. They were still mocking
him in the twenties, in the twenty fives. Just get
ahead of it. I agree with Debro, he's going to

(42:57):
be a top ten pick.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I love I absolutely love it. And to add on
to just for the stat wise to contextualized darts game
eighth and big time throw rate last year, we're talking
about a guy from a clean pocket. He diced up defenses.
He was top ten and adjust a completion rate and
he led all FBS quarterbacks and clean pocket passer rating. Dude,
the guy can sling it. He's a good player.

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All right, gentlemen, we're gonna go a little bit more
rapid fire here through the rest of the quarterback class,
starting at QB five It's Quinn Eewers, the Longhorns trigger man,
and he was a former five star recruit, the top
prospect in his class. Originally attended Ohio State before transferring

(44:50):
down to Austin. He was a Heisman favorite multiple times
over the past two seasons, dealt with some injuries slowing
down his seasons pretty shaky here down the stre A
lot of people were calling for Sark to make the
switch to arch Manning. However, he got as close to
anyone of knocking off the Buck guys in the Cotton Bowl,
ultimately finishing this season leading the SEC and passing touchdowns,

(45:12):
but also led the conference in interceptions. Debro, where do
you stand on the twenty one year old.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I'm out man, And at the bigger takeaway, I think
like starting at this point of the quarterback class, all
of these guys are Day three picks or lower so
quin yours, I was out, dude. I was out from
the moment. I watched Xavier Worthy and ad Ni Mitchell's
tape and I had to watch yours sitting here them
waiting on deep balls from yours. Yours a game manager.
He's going to be a backup quarterback in the NFL.

(45:40):
He should not go higher than the fourth round, even
if people love him. I mean, he's Texas tried to
hide it. They tried to hide him all year.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Man.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Just to contextualize this, amongst all FBX quarterbacks, at least
one hundred fifty drop backs last year, quin Yours had
the twenty second lowest A dot. He had six games
guys with an A dot of seven or below. It
was basically check down. Charlie throws screens for underneath routes,
dink and dunk your way down the field. His accuracy
goes off the rails easily. He gets happy feat versus pressure.

(46:12):
This is a backup quarterback in the NFL. My comp
for him, and I'm just being real about it.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
As Cody Kessler, Oh okay, that's a that's a deep
poll there. Reportedly, Ray he was offered a stupid amount
of money to return to college, potentially play for a
Big ten team, ultimately decides to declare for the NFL draft.
Your thoughts on yours?

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah, I think that's very telling too. Quinn Owers, to me,
looked as a guy who was just exhausted with the pressure,
the high and his ability to not really live up
to those things. I'll just cite this one stat You know,
I've continued to talk about CPOE with quarterbacks. He's the
only quarterback amongst the top eight in this class when
you include a Riley Leonard or Will Howard, who is

(46:53):
negative completion percentage over expected negative one point three. The
last time I saw that, deebra I was on the
top of the hill for this one. But I've learned
my lessons. The last time I saw negative CPOE for
a player was Anthony Richardson negative six point six CPOE.
This is bad. His success rating below fifty percent. That's

(47:15):
lower than Sanders, Kyle McCord, cam Ward Jackson Dark EPA
per play point oh five point not point five point
oh five EPA per play in point oh seven EPA
per drop back, which is quadruple quadruple below Jackson Dark.
I mean this is this is a quarterback who has

(47:37):
failed to live up to every expectation set his way.
He does not have killer instinct. He's not the quarterback
that I damn sure want for fantasy football nor leading
my NFL roster.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
No, thank you, He's my QB ten. Just throw that
out there. He's behind all these other dudes. We're going
to talk about lest I look, de.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Bro, I didn't have him in my rank. I didn't
even have I forgot to add him back.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
If I won't be surprised, dude, I'm just gonna say
that at.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
The consensus quarterback six is Ohio States Will Howard. He's
a great example that the impact of the transfer portal
can have on a player's career. After four seasons at
Kansas State, he transfers to Ohio State, leads him to
a national championship. Also led the Big Ten in completion percentage,
passing yards, passing touchdowns. Still, it's so tough to evaluate

(48:26):
him for me, just because he was thrown to perhaps
the greatest true freshman wide receiver we've ever seen in
Jeremiah Smith and also a projected first round pick and
a mecha Abuka Ray. Where do you land on the
evaluation of the six foot four, two hundred and thirty
five pounds signal caller.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yeah, you just nailed it. It's it's hard to really
parse that in his usage amongst other quarterbacks, it's it's
lower than everybody else, forty nine point eight percent usage
for him. That just lets you know that they used
a lot of other players, I think he's probably the
one that if I were going to take like this
upside swing, like this upside swing in fantasy, He's probably

(49:07):
the one that I would take. He's got the size,
the arm is there. I don't think he consistently puts
the ball where it needs to be. I don't feel
like he's got that killer instinct. But he can run,
he can throw the ball. If you're going to take
a swing at a QB, it's not quinn Ewers for me.
I'd much rather take Will Howard even over a Jaln Milroe.
But I'm not a big fan of his game.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
What round would you take him in super flex leagues?
Like like fourth round? Probably is that where you're throwing
the dark I.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Think you would realistically, I want to say fourth round,
but you would probably in superflex have to spend like
a late third on him. If I'm there at the
late third, I'm like, and I don't have a fourth,
I'll just take Will. They take a shot on the quarterback.
Know your league is what I'll say.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Okay, deebro, where do you stand on Will Howard?

Speaker 2 (49:52):
He's my QB five right now. In the process, I
got him right above Jalen Milroe. I think that he
can step in and can you get league average quarterback
play out of him in the right system, It's possible.
I think there's a lot of questions about his game.
For me, I think his arm strength gets a little
bit overvalue because when you see him go deep, he's
got to put a lot of torque on it. His

(50:14):
deep ball is kind of lofty, it has a high
arc to it. His ball placement could be spotty because
he's just trying to get the ball down there. I
think the best version of Will Howard, both in college
and what you want to see in the NFL, is
him just peppering defenses with ten to twenty yard strikes
because if you live in that short ten or media range,
he can eat you up, you know, like he's accurate

(50:34):
to those parts of the field. But the other part
of his game is Ohio State. And I don't know
if this was so much an offensive design part or
a Will Howard thing. That dude was locked onto his
first read. Like we're talking about putting a blindfold on
and forcing it to his first read even if they
were double covered. Where you're just like, bro, like, did
you see the wide receiver before you threw the ball,
because you shouldn't have thrown the ball to him. So

(50:56):
I think there's definitely progression stuff and questions about his
ability to read defenses to get to his third read,
second read consistently that I have questions about. But does
he have the physical intangibles to go in the fourth
round of the NFL draft. Maybe get a cup of
coffee if, like somebody gets hurt and go on a
Davis Mills type of run for a season. I could

(51:17):
see it. I could see it.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Okay, at QB seven, it's a prospect too. It's almost
as old as me at this point. Oregon's Dylan Gabriel
after three years at UCF two to Oklahoma, Gabriel transferred
up to you Gene four six year leads the Ducks
to an undefeated regular season, finished third in the Heisman Trophy. Conversation,
largely due to his efficiency seventy two point nine percent

(51:40):
completion rate that's second in the Big Ten, third in
the country, thirty to six td to interception ratio as well, Debro,
what do you think of the twenty four year old
when breaking down the film.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
I think a lot of his production is all schemed
up and this is just an organ conversation every single year. Yeah,
same thing, steamed up production. And just to context that,
I mean Dylan Gabriel final season sixth in screen attempts,
fourth in screen passing yards. Sixty six percent of Dylan
Gabriel's passes we're within nine yards of the line of scrimmage.

(52:13):
So a lot of this is more scheme than it
is just ability and ability to play to the quarterback position.
For Dylan Gabriel, he's very accurate in the short and
intermediate parts of the field. Can he play point guard
in the NFL and be a guy that you're not
rushing out as your starter? He's a backup in the NFL,
But could he be a guy that keeps the boat

(52:35):
from going under and you know, keep keep it from
being the Titanic if you were to press him into
starting for a very short window. It's possible, depending on
the scheme. But Gabriel, even if we want to get
past the size concerns, and I don't know Ray would
look He interviewed really well. I like the kid, but
he was extremely tiny, Like I was, like I thought,
I looked up. I was looking at Bryce shung out

(52:56):
there on the field and mobile on the practice field.
So the size definitely shows up, and it shows up
in his game.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Man, Ray, how do you feel about both the size
and the scheme concerns that Debro has a lot of
manufactured production here for Gabriel, but bo Nicks had had
similar manufactured production as well coming out last year.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Yeah, he's tiny, man, He's he's short. You know, I'm
not the tallest guy Debro, We're not. We're O I
would do and Gabriel were, I would do it. It
was it was very obvious in the practices when he
had a clean pocket and a window and he could
see it, I thought he was outstanding. But more times

(53:35):
than not, he couldn't see and he's just throwing the ball.
It reminded me of a couple of years ago what
Jaron Hall looked like in practice. It was very evident
that he was going to have difficulties manipulating and navigating
the visuals of a pocket. I still think Debro that
in the right system as a backup quarterback Miami somewhere

(54:00):
when you've got to have.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Washington, Washington, he could run that close. He could run
that Kingsbury system I.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Don't think he could carry a team for weeks, but
if you needed him because a tweaked ankle for a
game or two, he might be able to. He can't
be any worse than some of these other backups.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I heard you.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
I think he's a backup quarterback. He's a late Day
three pick, but he's somebody that I would want. From
an NFL standpoint, I would want my team to draft
that guy to have him in the locker room.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I agree. I agree with that, but I mean, just
change him out for one former Oregon Duck for another.
Just bring him to Washington. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
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at QB eight. It's Notre Dames Riley Leonard. He spent

(54:57):
the first three seasons at Duke two under Mike l
Go before linking up with Marcus Freeman in South Bend, Indiana.
He's by no means your prototypical NFL quarterback. He's never
passed for over three thousand yards. He's only had twenty
one touchdowns passing wise as a max for his career
sixty three point seven completion rate as well. However, he
could run with the best of him put his team

(55:18):
on the back, especially during that first drive of the
National Championship Game rush for over nine hundred yards found
Payder at seventeen times on the ground this past season, Ray,
how do you evaluate the former three star recruit following
a season where he did lead the Irish all the
way to the Natty?

Speaker 3 (55:34):
And I love Riley Leonard Man. Riley Landard is a
fun player. He's a physical dude. He's somebody I want
my team to draft. And in the spot I'll just
say this, here's where I think he would would thrive
as a backup quarterback. I want him in Denver. I
want him with Sean Payton backing up bow Knicks. He
will never be a threat to bow Knicks's job, but

(55:55):
in the event there's a tweak ankle, I can one
thousand percent seeing Sean Peyton say all right, Riley, you
got two weeks You're about to carry the ball. Sixteen
times a game, and you're gonna throw it very short
and very fast. I think he would be an ideal
backup quarterback in Denver. Do I think there's any sort
of fantasy dynasty sleeper ish ability dripping inside of that

(56:18):
that kid.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
No.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
I don't believe he's going to be a viable fantasy option.
I think is a backup quarterback and he can get
in there and Malik willis that thing for a week
like Malik did for Green Bay this year. I think
he's capable of that, But I don't see any sort
of fantasy upside at all.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Deepro, do you think he's someone that a team could
use him in a similar way like how the Steelers
were using justin fields at the end of the season,
where hey, it's third and two, it's fourth and two,
we just need to put you in, we need you
to go get it. Could he be used like that?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Potentially, It's possible. I don't like when coordinators do get
do that kind of mess, like just use your dudes,
use your running back, use your quarterback, and stuff like that.
To me, that's getting too cute. In the NFL. I
agree with everything that Ray said. I love the Taysom
Hill corollary that he's quietly building there and do with
Riley Leonard. He's just not an NFL passer man, and

(57:07):
I don't think his legs are good enough to carry
him very similar conversation, Like I think that you're looking
at like basically the dollar store version of what Jaln
Milroe provides for an NFL team. The accuracy is not there.
I mean, dude, I'll just contextualize it this way with
the way that I laid out my comp Riley Leonard

(57:27):
is Josh Allen if he had the arm of Blake
Bortles and the decision making to Daniel Jones, it ain't there, dude.
Maybe he carves out a role in the NFL as
like a Swiss army knife guy, a Taysom Hill type
of role or something like that. Maybe, but it I
don't think it's happening that quarterback dude, unfortunately, because I
think he's a good kid. I like everything about him

(57:48):
as a person, how he interviews, he was nice to
talk to, Amobile, good guy. But as far as being
an NFL level passer, and that really is what we
need to talk about, because the legs ain't good enough.
To carry him further than that.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Hey, Hey, Denver, Denver, that's Sean Payton. He's a Taysom
Hill guy, right, So maybe there's a little potential there
at QB nine. It's one of my favorite prospects in
this year's class. Syracuses Kyle McCord. After three seasons in
Columbus one as a starter, he transfers to Upstate New York,
where him and Fran Brown lead the Orange to a
ten and three season in the ACC. He also led

(58:21):
the country in completions, attempts, and passing yards, plus also
finished fifth in the nation with thirty four passing touchdowns. However,
he can be a bit reckless with the bal He
finished fifth in the country in interceptions with twelve, including
five against Pitt Down by the River in October. Debro,
what do you think about the highs and the lows
of this Philadelphia native.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
I think he's a backup love a quarterback. I think
we're talking about a similar maybe like the better version
of Quinn Eures in the sense of I think that
he's a checkdown and underneath guy, a lot of screens,
a lot of underneath production. McCord can get himself into
a lot of trouble and the biggest thing for me
is do and he gets pressured, he falls apart, like

(59:03):
and his feet are so heavy, Like he's not a
guy like if you need a good offensive line around
Kyle McCord, because if you don't have that, he's gonna fold,
He's gonna wilt. It's just gonna happen because he doesn't
have the footwork and the escapability to do much outside
of structure, if anything, and to buy himself time. So
really you're talking about this is legitimately the point guard,

(59:26):
backup quarterback that a lot of things have to go right.
You're gonna run the ever living piss out of the
ball if he gets in the game. So Seth, I
hate to rag on your boy here, but I'm not
in on the cord. Ray.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Are you any more excited about mccaord than our guy Deepro?

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Yeah, I'm a little more. I'm a little look but
very but it ain't that much. It's not that much. Marginally, marginally, marginally,
I think the better version of yours is good. But
to highlight some of the things that Debro said, I mean,
when you're talking about pocket, the time left from the
pocket by far the lowest in this class. I mean

(01:00:04):
he's in there. He's staying there. His QB scramble percentage
it's lower than Ward, it's lower than Sanders. I mean
he's in the pocket. Set Hut, He's not going anywhere.
One of the things that I do like is Cpoe
is above six, which is higher than that of cam Ward.
If he's got time, I think Kymond can make the throws.
His explosive play in chunk percentages a lot lower, which

(01:00:25):
again highlights to de Bro's point, probably not pushing the
ball downfield creating those explosives. He is a backup quarterback.
I believe he's better than some of the others because
at worst case, I do at least trust him to
stand there with time and deliver the football where it's
supposed to go. Ultimately, from a fantasy standpoint, like y'all, Seth,

(01:00:47):
you're he's a four to ten. That's where I picked up, like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
He's the guy last pick on in some of these
super flex len that pig Yeah, t.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Set I'm taking him at four ten and super flex
give it down with Debros. It's the four to ten Debro.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yes, I know, I got Bucky Irving at the four
tenth in the league last year, so there is there
is some values.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Well, none of the league falls asleep. Apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Let's round out the prospects here with the tenth rank
QB Louisville's Tyler Shuck. He's twenty five years old. This
guy has played seven seasons of collegiate ball, made stops
in Oregon, Texas Tech eventually winds up for Jeff Brohm
and the Cardinals passed for twenty three touchdowns thirty two
hundred yards six interceptions as well led the Villa nine
and four. Ray, your thoughts on Shuck and is he

(01:01:39):
someone that even gets drafted or does the age kind
of DETERRD teams?

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
How many years in football? You said? Seventh season?

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Seventh sir?

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Yes, Come on, man, No, can I give me Spencer Rattler?
Honestly give me Spencer Rattler? Give me No, this is
a seventh round pick. I don't know. I don't know
what more announced.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
No, it's a no from from Ray DOGG. What do
you got here, de bro.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I'm actually a little bit higher on Schuck.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
On Kyle McCord, but I'm higher on Shui. I want
to hear this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Okay, So as far as him being twenty five from
the quarterback position, I don't care. I know he's old
as dirt. I'd get that. That's not that's young silly quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
We ain't talking about wide receiver running back process.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Sam Donald's than this guy, do you well?

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
I mean, Sammy Darnold came out at the age of sixteen,
so I don't know if to tell you about that one.
But with Shuck, dude, the thing about him is, I
think he is he's living in the same area code
as far as talent and stuff with Will Howard and
stuff in the sense of if what are you going
to ask him to do in the NFL? I think
that he is very accurate in the short and intermediate.

(01:02:51):
The thing about Shuck that that kind of perked my
ears up a little bit, is you see some more
off script ability with him. He's got a decent d ball.
He throws from multiple arm angles. And this is not
again contextualizing this quarterback class. There is a massive drop
off for me after QB three, So all of these
other guys are Day three or later, and Tyler Shuck, Like,

(01:03:14):
I'm not telling you a team needs to go draft
him in round four, round five or whatever. He's probably
gonna go in round six. I get that. But in
the similar vein that we talked about Will Howard, if
he got a cup of coffee, could he sustain an
NFL offense? Could he be that Davis Mills type of
guy where he gets five to six starts at the
end of the year, and depending on the situation he's
operating in, could he flash stuff and a team gives

(01:03:36):
him a season to say, hey, could you be the dude?
I think it's possible. Now, in all of that, am
I incredibly high on Tyler Shuck? No, there are a
lot of holes to his game. I'm not saying the
accuracy is amazing, the footwork can lapse, but some of
his off scriptability and I think some of the arm
talent stuff I do like. But in the context of

(01:03:57):
this quarterback class, like we're talking about last Y's quarterback
class and stuff like that, Like, I'm not telling you
this guy is going before round four, round five of
the NFL draft. So just again putting the right frame
about this, I like the kid, but to a point
one point.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Eight percent, Cpoe pretty it's he's he's he's down there
in Mill row tear and cools to Jalen Milroe, it's
not good man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Well that's gonna do it for us today on the
Fantasy Pros NFL Draft Show. Thank you so much for watching, Ray,
Thank you for bringing your talents on display for us.
How can we best support you as we move through
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Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Appreciate y'all having me on. Hopefully we can do it again.
I love chopping it up. De bro, you know I
love you, Seth. This is our first time getting engaged together,
so hopefully we get to do it again. But you
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