12 Players Projected To Have BIG Seasons in 2025 (Ep. 1640)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I
am Ryan Warmley, joined by Andrew Erickson and by Scott
Bogman Fellows. We are talking players that we project to
have big seasons. These are guys that you guys have
ranked higher or we're looking at. The projections are higher
than what their current ADP and ECR is showing us.
So we'll run through some players at every position that

(00:22):
we like to really outperform where they're going in early drafts.
We are into this is the first full week of August,
so we're we're in it. No more almost there, no
more like gearing up for the busy season.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
This is it.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
We are in the in the storm now. But it's
a good storm. We like it. We love having a
lot of stuff to talk about, which we are going
to certainly have for the next five or so weeks,
however many weeks it is until the start of the season. Bogman,
how are you feeling here in the first full week
of August.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
I'm trying to pack in all the family activities I
can within the next month get them all out of
the way so I can go ahead and.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Hibern eight for football season.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
So that that's what I've been working on recently on
the weekends.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Ericson smartly getting his his friend's weddings out of the
way early in August rather than late.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yep, trying to get all the weddings done. Still kind
of moving in to the new house. I was doing
some landscaping this past weekend, pulling some weeds using the
weed whacker.

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I was gonna say, you were doing landscaping or you
had landscaping done well defined landscape.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I mean, if you're working in like a garden area,
is that land land?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
I was sweating it was hot, then you're landscaping.

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Yes, so yes, I was doing some doing some landscaping,
cut breaking down some boxes.

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It's hazy. You can see there's like this haze. I
think that coming from Canada, we're getting the haze. But
it's really cold. In the basement that's where my office is.
It's very cold done here we have central air, and yeah,
I'm rocking the rocking the BP sweatshirt.

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You know, y'all don't get to talk about heat when
I'm from Arizona living in Texas.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Hey, which one of us is closer to the sun
from the elevation in Denver? I believe that would be me.

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dive into the players that we'd like to have big seasons.
We're gonna do one quarterback each to start things off.

(03:21):
Ericson who do you have?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yep. So I was looking at the projections on Fantasy pros,
the consensus projections, and the one that set up to
me for quarterback was Brock Purdy. He's QB nine the projections,
which is a little bit behind his ADP, which is
the QB eleven QB twelve range. And that's why he's
kind of an interesting guy if I don't end up
landing one of these mobile quarterbacks earlier on the fields
or the Kyler murrays. Brock Purdy to me stands out

(03:45):
like a player that he could have a passing touchdown
outlier season, and really it's not an outlier for him
if He's able to do it in twenty twenty five
because traditionally, when you play in the Kyle Shanahan offense,
you have almost a very high touchdown passing rate. You
look last year twenty twenty four, we know that the
injuries really devastated the San Francisco forty nine ers offense.

(04:05):
Seemed like every single week there was another guy going down. Therefore,
Party actually posted his lowest passing touchdown rate of his
career at four point four percent, but it was the
first time in his NFL career that he was actually
below seven percent, so usually it's much higher. So just
based on regression to the mean, I would expect Party's
touchdown rate to bounce back in twenty twenty five, which

(04:26):
is why I like him as a late round quarterback option.
He does offer a little bit on the ground. Last
year he was over three hundred rushing yards and looking
back historically over the past three years, and this is
in my perfect Draft article up on the website, I
basically look at quarterbacks and the numbers I want to
look at from a projection standpoint. Are you going to
throw the ball at least five hundred times, have at

(04:48):
least five hundred pass attempts and can you at least
hit three hundred rushing yards like those were kind of
like the thresholds I was looking for, and Rock Party's
right around both of those marks when you look at
the consensus projection. So I think the he's a value.
He's a reason why it's hard for me to click
the button on Baker Mayfield where he goes in drafts
because when we just look at their raw projections through
a lot of different sources, they're not that far off

(05:09):
from each other. So why draft Baker Mayfield three or
four rounds ahead of Rock Party where he goes which
is three round three to four rounds later, And I
think that they have potentially they have a similar median outcome.
So for me, Rock Purdy is one of the guys
I'm circling as a late round quarterback option. The fort
nine ers also have one of the easiest schedules in
the NFL, and again in twenty twenty three, he was

(05:31):
third in the NFL in passing touchdowns with thirty one
and last year, despite the down season, still average eight
point five yards per attempt. So I think that Rock
Party is going to bounce back and have a good
statistical season.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I think ericson the perception of Purty is maybe more
high floor than it is high ceiling. Do you think
that is inaccurate? I mean, he does have a top
six finish on his resume from twenty twenty three. Maybe
you don't expect that level of like elite elite efficiency,
especially as the surrounding supporting cast is more injured and

(06:05):
just generally worse around him now. But do you see
him as a floor play that is likely to outperform
his current ADP or do you see him as a
real ceiling option as well?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well. I think that the ceiling argument comes down to
he's gonna be QB one overall. No, I don't think
that's his ceiling. I think that his ceiling is who
could be this year's Baker Mayfield. So Baker Mayfield, believe
was a top five quarterback last year because he threw
four over forty passing touchdowns. He added a lot of
rushing value which he had not traditionally done. So that's
kind of what I think is the ceiling case for

(06:35):
Brock Purty is he runs hot in the touchdown department,
adds a little bit more rushing than I think he's
getting credit for. And again he plays in a very
friendly ecosystem. And I think of the forty nine ers two,
I think they're going to play a lot of shootouts
this year. That defense had a lot of turner, they
lost a lot of talent, They played a really highly
competitive division and the NFC West. So for those reasons,
I think that rock Pertry's gonna have a lot of

(06:56):
outlier performances where he's starting for three hundred passing yards
three or more passing touchdowns, and he's gonna be a
guy that's going to be really easy to click the
button on in positive matchups.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Bogwin, what do you think?

Speaker 4 (07:07):
I love this call and this is I was doing
my initial look. I was like, oh, rock Perty pretty
different between the projections, and I saw Rickson got this
sheet first and had him. So but look, this is
I think what both of you guys are saying is correct.
I think worm the perception is the floor, and the
floor is not just because of what brock Party brings.

(07:29):
It's because of the cast around him. Right, you have
Christian McCaffrey back, you get Brandon Ayuk back, you get
a whole season, Ricky Piersall and you have the best
sight in the league. So you know, I think this
is one of those cases where the first thing in
Erickson mentioned, with all of the injuries that the Niners had,
I think we kind of miss out on the true
ceiling for a guy like this, So there's a little

(07:50):
more ceiling where he is viewed as a floor player.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
But yeah, this is a very good call here.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
So you didn't get rock Perty, but you did get
one of your guys Bogman for quarterback, I did.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
I got JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
And look, this is I like these shows because typically
we can talk about some players that we haven't talked
about in the past, but JJ McCarthy is just there's
such a big difference between where he's going in ADP,
which is QB nineteen, and his projections of QB fourteen.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
He's still a QB two.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
But let's not forget this is a Kevin O'Connell offense
that in twenty twenty four, Sam Donold, who had been
good exactly nowhere before going to Minnesota, finished his QB nine.
He was eleventh in points per game, and this was
when they ratcheted back the passing in this Vikings offense,
right it was, they were fifteenth in passing play percentage.
Last season in twenty twenty three with Kirk Cousins, he

(08:42):
was twenty fourth in scoring because he missed a bunch
of games in total, but he was seventh in points
per game and they were third in passing play percentage.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Same thing.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
In Kos's first year in Minnesota, Cousins was seventh overall
in total points, thirteenth in points per game, and again
the Vikings were third in pass play percentage. You put
a guy like this man. We can scroll back to
an article for mar Guy Deebro who said this about
JJ McCarthy. In his final collegiate season, McCarthy ranked inside

(09:12):
the top twelve FBS quarterbacks in passing Grade A justin
completion percentage, yards per attempt, adjusted completion rate, in downfield throws,
and against pressure. This dude can throw the ball. He
didn't need to at Michigan. We have no idea what
the total upside is on McCarthy because he's never been
in an offense like this that has just let him
throw the ball as much as possible, let alone have

(09:34):
targets like Jefferson Addison Hawkinson. With two good running backs
in the backfield as well. I just I'm really excited
for the potential of what McCarthy could do this season.
And he's one of my favorite qbs to get in
a super flex. If I can get him as my
QB two and super flex or my bench quarterback, if
my benches are deep in one QB, I'm doing it
every single time.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Eric say, it looks like you're roughly in line with consensus.
He's QB twenty at ECR you've got in QB nineteen.
Is that a reflection of you disagreeing with Bogman here
or is that a reflection of there's just so many
good quarterbacks that somebody has to be QB nineteen and
QB twenty. But it's a really deep position.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I think that I your second point is kind of
where I stand with McCarthy. I definitely see the upside
case with him. Just look at the last two years
of the quarterbacks that O'Connell has had, you know, with
Kirk Cousins, where before he was injured he was I
think led the NFL in passing touchdowns. You had last
year with Sam Darnold having a really good season for
fantasy football purposes, I guess I'm just a little little

(10:31):
hesitant about the pure pass volume that's going to be
in Minnesota. You know, O'Connell has stated multiple times this
offseason that they want to get back to running the
football a little bit more. I know it's kind of
gotten buried a little bit with everything that's kind of
all the news that has come out of Minnesota, especially
with how McCarthy is playing and looking. I think that
his impact is going to reflect more real life first
to start the year for the Minnesota vi because they

(10:52):
all have a kind of weird schedule to open the year.
They played a lot of primetime games, they play a
lot of international games, they have an early bye week,
So I think that it might take a month or
two for McCarthy to get acclimate again. He missed the
entire season last year. Like he wasn't playing, he wasn't
getting in the reps. So even though he was there
mentally in the building, I think it still matters that
he was missing valuable time with the players on the

(11:14):
field getting those reps behind Sam Darnold. So I think
it's gonna take a little bit of time as he
just knocks the rust off a little bit before they decide, Okay,
let's open things up for this passing game. I think
that it's not by accident. They went out and resigned
Aaron Jones, they traded for Jordan Mason, they revamped the
interier offensive line. I think they're going to be a
little bit more of a run focused team at least

(11:35):
to start the year while McCarthy gets his feet wet,
and then he's gonna build on and have a really
strong second half of the season. So for those reasons,
I'm not as bullish on drafting McCarthy Because I'm in
a one quarterback league. I can't sit around and wait
for quarterback to start to get me points, like I
need someone to start firing out of the gates, especially
when you look at the Week one matchups. I believe
the Kings are playing the Bears, right, so it's like,

(11:55):
not like that grade of match but they're on the
road in a primetime game, not necessarily spot one to
play a essentially rookie quarterback. But totally understand the projections
point where if they do dial up those passing attacks
in the fashion they did it with Sam Donald, I
mean that's one of the bullish cases for McCarthy is well.
Look with Sam Donald and last year McCarthy's better than
Sam Donald. So if that is the case, then yes,

(12:16):
the projections are going to be are screaming that, yes,
McCarthy is a great value. Where he's going.

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Speaker 1 (13:43):
All right, guys, let's go to the running backs here,
ericson who do you have for us?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I have James Connor running back for the Arizona Cardinals.
He's RB sixteen in the projections, he's RB nineteen and
eightyp so my rank is closer to where he is
projected because I think that James Connor until the wheels
fall off with him. He is going to be a
top twelve fantasy running back in terms of points per game.
Just look at his body of work. He's never been
worse than RB twenty and half PPR the last four

(14:08):
seasons with the Arizona Cardinals. He's actually play at least
thirteen games in four straight seasons. So last year he
was extremely healthy. I don't expect that to happen two
years in a row. I think that he's probably going
to miss some time, but that's probably going to happen
in the second half of the season because in the
first half of the season, the Arizona Cardinals just have
a cake walk schedule that you look at James Connor,

(14:29):
you're thinking, how is this guy not gonna be a
top twelve running back? Saints, Panthers, forty nine Ers, Seahawks,
the Titans, the Colts, and the Packers before they have
their bye week. So James Connor over the last two seasons,
he's top ten and totally guards from scrimmage, sixth in
rushing yards per game, eighth in scrimmage yards per game.
I think that Trey Benson will have a chance to

(14:51):
carve out a little bit of a role at some
point during the year, but I think it's going to
be probably more related to a Connor injury because the
way they talk about James Connor is he's there. Course,
he's the guy that brings them the juice on their
offense that they need. And this Cardinals team, I think
has an offense that can move the ball effectively, especially
some of these questionable defenses that they opened the year against.
So I think James Connor again, till the wheels fall off,

(15:14):
he's going to be one of the top running backs
you're gonna be starting every single week.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Bogman, where are you out on Connor? He's somebody that
we do a lot of Dynasty shows together, and you
do tend to go for the veterans in Dynasty, but
I don't know that he's really come up on those
shows for us.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah, I mean, I think for Dynasty Connor is a
tough buy because a little bit of the injury history
and they took Trey Benson. So like, if you're poking
holes in Connor for this season, those are the things
you point to. But like Eric's pointed out, he's been
fairly healthy the last three seasons. He pushed Trey Benson
way back. I mean, I remember thinking last year, I

(15:46):
guess they're trying to push James Connor out of this
job because he's a free agent. Then they end up
giving him an extension midway through the year, right, So
same thing with Chuba. Hubbard's kind of seemed like he
was going to get pushed out and he got an extension.
So you know, win in doubt. Don't ever question James Connor.
That's what I say watching him play. This dude is
a rock. He pushed the rookie out. I don't think

(16:09):
that Benson is gonna get way more. You should get
more in a second season, but I don't think they're
gonna split this backfield up. I think Connor is the guy,
like Erickson said, until the wheels fall off. Could that
happen at any point? Sure, he's at that age for
running back. I don't think he's gonna end up being,
you know, the actual terminator like his namesake.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
But he is. He is a strong bet to overperform
every year until he's done because of his injury history
and his age and the history of running backs.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
It's just now striking me. So you guys each picked
to running backs for this section, and it's a lot
of veterans. It's guys who have been around for a
while that people are using the boring it's boring.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
We're just kind of waiting for the picnic. Drafts are
trying to figure out when is the pin gonna drop
on this guy, because the projections say no, it's not
gonna detail this time, and drafts are saying no, it's
gonna be right at week one that the ping just
drops on these players.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Really this whole episode, it's you know, JJ McCarthy, and
then there's one receiver and one tight end that are younger,
like breakout type guys. The rest is a lot of
like what you would classify maybe as boring veterans or
at least just guys that are experienced and maybe are
being overlooked little for that reason. So maybe there's a
lesson there in terms of how the projections play out. Bagman,
who is your first running back?

Speaker 4 (17:21):
I'm going to go with Tony Pollard, And I think
this talk of Brian Callahan, you know, potentially splitting up
this backfield or you know, he said make it a
little more even so what was even from last season?

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Right?

Speaker 4 (17:34):
How many games did Pollard because they both got banged up.
Pollard and Spears played together, So I went back and
looked weeks one through four they played together. Spears got
hurt in week five. He didn't play again until week ten,
so I have that in there. But he missed week
eleven and twelve. He barely played in week thirteen, So

(17:56):
not until week fourteen and fifteen would I say they're
both fully healthy playing together. And then Pollard got hurt
in week sixteen. He didn't play week seventeen. So just
looking at the total touches in games that they were
both fully healthy and played in together, it was total
Tony Pollard, and I wrote total here, and then Pollard

(18:17):
total Pollard was one twenty seven, and then Spears had
sixty six touches. Julius chestnutt and they said, maybe we're
gonna split this into a three way backfield. He had
twenty four touches last season. I don't think they're doing that.
And also I don't think that TYJ. Spears is good
enough to take that many touches away from Tony Pollard.
He still had one thousand yards last season, So to me,

(18:40):
you know, right now, Tony Pollard. His ADP is around
twenty eight as a RB three.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
I think that's okay. I'm a little bit higher than that.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
I have him at twenty six, but his projections have
him as a low en RB two at RB twenty four,
and I think he's just a steady eddy. And this
is one of the reasons why I feel like running
back is fairly deep this season, is because you can
get Tony Pollard as your RB three and nobody bats
an eye. I don't think that was happening the last
couple of seasons. So I really I think Tony Pollard

(19:09):
is a great value where you can get him right
now in drafts.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Eric San Pollard is somebody that I was really into
last year as a value. Where are you at on
him this year?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, So I'm not as high on Tony Pollard as
Bogs is. I'm a little bit more concerned about the
projected split backfield with Tajay Spears. I think last year
they wanted to do more of it, but taj Spears
was I think that he was injured seemingly all the
entire season.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
It was Spears. It was Spears that was banged up.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, Spears was a bang up and then what ended
up happening was And I just remember this because we
talk about we talked about Tony Pollard on the trade show,
I think every single week where you gotta sell this guy,
like this guy is like this is not boting well
for him in the future of the Titans have burder schedule.
Spears is gonna come back. And Tony Poller really fell
off in the second half of last year. He's the
third worst grade running back for a PF.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
But they had Mason Rudolph Star for a chunk of
last year. You roll your eyes at me ericson but
cav you know cam Warden is going to make this
offense way way better.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Agreed, But that can also benefit Tajay Spears as well,
who's also coming back healthy. I was surprised at the
fact if you look at Spears what he's done for
the last two seasons, so his rookie year, he carves
out a role alongside Derrick Henry, you know, one of
the best running backs in the NFL as of today.
Then you also have last year Tony Pollard and they
signed this guy. New coaching staff comes in. Tajy Spears

(20:29):
is a carry out from the former regime, and they
still have a role for Tajay Spears when he is healthy,
and especially at the end of the season when he
flashed he was a top five fantasy running back over
the last three weeks of the season when Tony Pard
was extremely banged up. I just think Pollard has shown
the last two seasons where he's been on two different teams,
he's he's compiled three hundred plus touch it in both
those seasons, and both seasons we have kind of been

(20:51):
disappointed because he's gotten these.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Both seasons his quarterback got hurt. I mean, Will Levis
was awful. It didn't matter who the quarterback was.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
That was the twenty twenty three he was fine. Da
got her last year, So no, he had deck press. Again.
It's not about the just the amount of it's more
with the efficiency that's really kind of falling off. And
that's again somewhat tied to the offense that he plays in,
but it's like his yards after contact per attempt is
really popped off again. It was better in the first
half of last year, but then the second half we
start to the SAMs kind of break down. I guess

(21:21):
I'm trying to avoid that Travis etm Trap where he
was really good at one half of the season. He
fell off in the second half, and I know that
I made a mistake of totally ignoring that fact that, oh, well,
he was really good in the first half. I think
they'll get back to it. I mean, Tony Pollard, I
think has shown that is a guy you really want
to load up with three hundred touches. That's what we've
done the last two seasons. That it's kind of been

(21:41):
so so returns on drafting him as a fantasy asset.
So even though he was good to start at the
beginning of last year, he kind of faded off, and
I think that Spears is going to have a bigger role.
So to me, I would rather just wait to draft
Spears and kind of capture the upside of cam Ward
taking this offense to the next level. Because looked the
last two years, Tadjay Spears is eighty two catches in
his first two season, and I feel like he barely

(22:02):
even played at all last year, So he had eighty
two catches. That's impressive to me. So I think Spears
is the is the bet that I want to make
in the Titans backfield.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
I think the reason we don't talk about either one
of these guys in dynasties too much worm is the
draft Jeremiah Love next year, and nobody cares about Pollard
or moving forward.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I want to go to another running back who's really
kind of like these guys are all so far kind
of in the same range ish of ECR ericson who's
your next veteran running back here that falls into this range.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
So I'm looking at Aaron Jones for the Minnesota Vikings.
He's alreab twenty in the projections and he's rby twenty
seven and eightyp so he has one of the big
bigger gaps in terms of his projection versus ad B
and it's actually even wider gap if you are looking
at the full PPR projections. Because the knock on Aaron
Jones is okay, they brought in Jordan Mason, who I

(22:54):
absolutely love, is a late round running back this year,
don't get me wrong, as the goal line hammerback, but
that doesn't necessarily mean that Aaron Jones is now totally useless.
This guy was a player who had over fifteen hundred
yards from scrimmage last season, and even though he wasn't
his most efficient self. He was also coming off a
career high in terms of total touches. So the Vikings offense,

(23:14):
where we talked about it with Jaji McCarthy, we expect
it to be efficient. Within the O'Connell offense, we expect
it to be an above average offense, even with a
young quarterback at the helm. And I think that there's
enough year where both running backs can potentially eat if
they are scoring at a top ten rate. So I
think Aaron Jones, I think it goes back to the
pass catching with him. I think he's still going to

(23:34):
be really involved as a receiver because that's not really
Jordan Mason's game, and I think that's kind of being
undersold a little bit, but it's being captured fully in
the projections, Like that's why he's popping more in the
projections because of the receptions he can be able to do.
I mean, he was tenth last year in targets and
receptions per game among the running backs. He actually averaged
the same amount of touches last year as Jamior Gibbs.

(23:55):
So if we're kind of looking at a dynamic of
well we look at the Jets running backs and we
always say, okay, Dave Montgomerrange, Mer Gibbs, that can be
the combo here. Well, what if O'Connell's looking at the
Lions Teamy faces every single year He's like, what if
I had that? What if I had Jamier Gibs and
Dave Montgomery and my version of those guys with Jordan
Mason and Aaron Jones. So, again, not to the exact extent,
because Jones is a little bit older, but I think

(24:16):
that he can still be really effective an above average
offense that has improved its offensive line and again cash passes.
I think that's the way that he can definitely survive
going outside the top twenty four running backs.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Bod mean, curious what you think about Jones, But can
you rank for me James Connor, Tony Pollard and Aaron Jones.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Yes, I would say that I have it Connor, Jones, Pollard, Okay, Yeah,
that's how I have it.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, Jones at twenty four.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Like, I'm a little lower on Jones, and I think
projections are, but I still have him as an RB
two and I don't think that I don't think the
downside of Aaron Jones is taken into account. Enough because
this team did go for from you know, third in
passing percentage down to fifteenth last season, so they ran
the ball more. Aaron Jones had more touches, and they

(25:06):
added Jordan Mason to this backfield, so I do think
like the total touches are ratcheted back for Aaron Jones,
but I think the offense gets better as a whole
with JJ McCarthy at the helm, and I mean, we'll
see that is obviously a big if you know. Ericson
pointed to this early schedule for Minnesota being kind of tough,

(25:28):
and he's a first year starter so it is a
big hill to climb there, so maybe they rely on
the run game a little bit more. But they also
have Mason there, So I don't know what to do
with Jones, but I do know twenty seven as an
RB three is too low, so I think he's still
in RB two. He showed that last year, and I
do think with a first year starter, you are going
to run the ball more. So I don't think the

(25:50):
Vikings get all the way back up to third in
passing percentage. They're probably going to be in the top
ten somewhere around there, but that still means more rushes
in a typical KOC offense than usual, So Aaron Jones
numbers should be a little bit higher.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
This year, Bogman.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
The last running back we have here in this section
is a guy who's going much later than these other three.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Who do you have? Yeah, it's JK. Dobbins.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
And this one was tough because I just wanted to
point out the difference in projections here between a guy
like JK. Dobbins, who I'm not very big on, right,
I have him at forty seven, but RJ. Harvey, I
mean his ADP is RB twenty two. His projections are thirty,
So I think RJ. Harvey's getting a little overhype.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
JK.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Dobbins is a little under hype, and I am guilty
of that as well. But it really depends on where
you're going for your projections, right, Because FP we have
these guys about ten touches different from each other, one
ninety six to one eighty six. PFF has it way
in favor of Harvey, ESPN has it slightly in favor

(26:59):
of him. YAHOO big difference towards Harvey. And then I
think I looked at Fantasy Points and they had a
big favorite of Harvey as well. So this really depends
on how many touches and what the break you think
is going to be like between a krusty veteran in
Dobbins and the rookie who we've heard everything from. Well,
he's gonna be behind Dobbins. He had a great year too. No,

(27:21):
he's the joker. We're not looking at Evan Ingram for
this role. He's going to be the ultimate guy. I
think Harvey is a better running back than JK. Dobbins,
So I'm on the Harvey side, but I am curious
to hear your takes whether is it Harvey is overrated
and Debro's pushing him too much it's Debro's faults or

(27:43):
is it? Yeah, I kind of think Harvey's good and
Dobbins has passed his prime. So that's where I'm at.
I'm with Debro, so I am guilty of pushing this narrative.
So what are your thoughts, gentlemen?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Maren Erickson, I thought you were going to do it first.
So for me, JK. Dobbins is a value where he's
going because I think that at least early on in
the season, he's going to have a significant role in
this backfield. I think that's kind of where I look
at the opportunity to play this situation. I think it's
pretty clear that HARJ Harvey, like Bog said, and how

(28:16):
Deebro has kind of been pounding the table for him,
he's clearly the long term answer and he's probably someone
that's going to be the guy you want in the
back half of the season. But how many times have
we seen it where the rookie running back that we're
all super hyped on just doesn't see that massive workload
week one, Week one comms and it's a three headed
committee and it's disastrous and we're all panicking and freaking out.

(28:36):
But it's only week one. That being said JK. Dobbins
going outside the top forty running backs. We talked about
this on the Running Back Tiers episode that we did
last week with Jake Worm, where Dobbins is going where
he was going last year before we knew that he
could really be healthy. We had no idea what the
charger situation was, and he was a value last year.
Again things fell off, and that's what I would expect
this year where he starts out of the gates. He's

(28:58):
pretty effective running behind a good offensive line. It's a
good situation for him.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
RJ.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Harvey's getting his feet wet as a rookie running back
and Dobbins eats and then he falls off because he
gets banged up like he does every single season. So
I think it's just pretty clear cut how I think
this backfield projection's Dobbins is someone that you need early
season opportunity. You draft JK. Dobbins, but you're drafting RJ.
Harvey higher than him for that back end season projection

(29:23):
and how good that he can be when it matters
the most.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Have you have you either one of you drafted Harvey
yet in a redraft like just for the back end,
And I think this is a good year if you
want that strategy because of the depth of running back.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
But it is a risk any year it would be
a risk.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I've only gotten him in dynasty. I don't have him
in any sort of Best Baller redraft this year.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, I've taken him in a couple of Best ball
drafts where he's fallen into the sixth round is where
he usually goes. So at that point, depending on the
way you're building it, you usually already have at least
one running back on your roster already as your hero RB.
Sometimes you have two and if he's then that RB
three flex play. Well, if he's catching passes out of
the backfield, you're gonna get Spike Beak production from that aspect.

(30:04):
And then, like you said, you're getting that second half
hammer from him. When we know JK. Dobbins it's probably
not gonna be around during the second half of the
Broncos season unfortunately, just based on his injury track record.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, and by the way, I'm sorry about the confusion before.
I don't know if you like tossed me or whatever. Bagman,
my Internet was kind of glitching out when you were talking,
so apologies if I missed something like came back right
as you were, like, you know, finishing up with the
Derickson was like, you know where I'm ready to go,
So again, sorry for that. I Uh. The thing with

(30:35):
Dobbins for me is like, I like last year, I
was really in on him at cost because I thought
the ceiling was high. This year, I feel like I
agree that he could be better than where he's going
to start the year, but I don't like R. J.
Harvey is much better than twenty twenty four Gus Edwards

(30:57):
so or so, like I think even his like quote
unquote strong start to the season that he could have
their runway to have isn't gonna be like the strong
start to last year where you know, this is great,
but it's gonna fade eventually, Like I don't know how
great it's even gonna be. So I'm really not that
interested in a guy that I don't think the immediate
ceiling is that high. And also I don't think I mean,

(31:21):
I think we all agree on the second point point
that he won't be kind of a long lasting asset either,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Would you rather have Javonte?

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I would rather have Javonte for sure, because the situation
I think is like I would much rather have a
guy whose competition is that as opposed to you know,
this guy that Chomp Payton traded up to get and
I know there's a history of that and sometimes it
doesn't pan out, but like this running back that Champ
Payton Cribby loves as opposed to like Miles Sanders and Jayden
Blue like no offense bot, like I would take like, yeah,

(31:54):
not only would I rather have Javonte Williams, Like in
a vacuum. I would much rather have Javonte at cost
and Dobbins at cost, like I you know, there's what
ten spots between them, Like, I think that's warranted.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I brought I brought him up because he was another guy. Again,
I was going through this exercise looking at projections to ADP.
Both Javonte and Dobbins have better projections than their ADPs suggest.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
Yeah, they both should. I think I think they are overlooked.
But you know, there's a difference between being overlooked and
not having any value on the back half. And I
think there's a possibility that Dobbins has no value. I
don't think there's that possibility for Javonte. I think he's
involved even if he's second, right, I think he's still
fairly involved.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
To me, they're great comparison for Javante this year is
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Let's go to the wide receivers here, Erickson, who is
your first wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Going with Calvin Ridley wide receiver for the Tennessee tight ends,
and Calvin Ridley is the projections Darling I think among
the wide receivers because you just look at what he
did in this offense last year as the clearcut number
one wide receiver. His peripherals are really really strong. He
went over at thousand yards for the second trade season.
He led the NFL in terms of team air yard

(34:25):
share at forty eight percent. He finished as wide receiver
twenty six to total points, but he was wide receiver
forty in points per game, although he did outperform his
ADP again wide receiver thirty five ADP. And what was
encouraging about him is the second half surge for him
after the Titans trade away DeAndre Hopkins. He was wide
receiver twenty six and basically doubled his fantasy points per game. So,

(34:45):
because it's the same play call, it's still Callahan as
the head coach, you're expecting his role in the offense
to say the same. And basically where you're drafting him
now as wide receiver thirty one, I mean he should
be closer to that wide receiver twenty six where he
was last year after the team trade to Idandre Hopkins.
So you're kind of getting him I think at his floor,
I would say, but then you're getting this untapped upside

(35:07):
where what if Cam Woard's good, or what if Kim
Wored's just not Will Levis or Mason Rudolph. And I
think that the drawing the comparisons to Terry McLaurin and
courtland Ston last year, right, two guys that have been
kind of been wide receiver twos hadn't really taken that
next step. Bang, they both land talented rookie quarterbacks and
they end up finishing both as I believe, top twelve

(35:29):
wide receivers in twenty twenty four. So I think Calvin
Ridley kind of has that type of upside this season
where he could fins just a back end fantasy wide
receiver one. I guess this depends on how many touchdowns
that he can score. I mean, Nick west Burkine is
gone from this offense and is nine receiving touchdowns. So
if Calvin Ridley can flirt with double digit touchdowns with
Cam mood, who I think can be a court or

(35:50):
a wide receiver elevator, just especially just compared to what
the Titans had a quarterback last season. I think that
Ridley is just one of the best value picks that
you can make on the board in the project capture
all of that. So, I mean, he's never finished worse
than wide receiver twenty six in any healthy season he
has played during his NFL career. Projections have him right
there wide receiver twenty six, where his ADP I think

(36:10):
he's lagging at wide receiver thirty one.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
I think this is one where I think the floor
is higher than he's being given credit for, and also
the ceiling is higher than he's being given credit for.
And I wonder if ADP will start to rise the
further into August we get like, particularly if cam Ward
looks good in the preseason, but even like kind of
setting that aside in a vacuum like I have already.
I have Calvin Ridley in a dynasty league where I

(36:35):
am a contender, and it's not a very heavy trading league,
just this particular group of managers. In the last two weeks,
I have gotten two trade offers for Ridley out of
the Louie's not in the trade block or anything, but
people are going after him. They see him as a
guy that they think is going to outperform, you know,
kind of where he's ranking right now, and a guy
worth going to add. And I get it. Get like,

(36:57):
if cam Ward is good, I'm not saying great, but
like good for a rookie quarterback, Ridley is going to
feast like there's just he's just going to catch so
many passes. And I think it's a great call. And
I know that like fits is on board with this
as well, Like I think kind of Fantasy Pros as
a team is like really kind of strongly in agreement

(37:21):
on this. Bogman, do you see it similarly? Do you
think that Ridley is somebody that is just simply like
from a redraft perspective, being undervalued right now? It looks
like he's so you know, he's He's in the low
thirties in ECR Debraism in twenty fifth, Erics in twenty seven, fifth,
twenty six, So all three of those guys are ahead
of Consensusana.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
I have him at twenty nine, so I'm I'm a
little bit lower on him.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I get.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
The one thing that worries me about Ridley at all
is that the only thing Will Levice wanted to do
was throw that ball deep last year, so he got
a lot of like big completions. And look, this is
what Cam does too. But I know they're putting a
huge focus on him getting rid of the ball quickly,
which by the way, benefits your Tyja Spears love eric'son there,

(38:10):
so that might help lock it a little bit as
well in this offense if it's getting the ball out quick. So,
but I think, like you said, Ward is so much
better than any quarterback they have. It is hard to
not have Ridley as at least a low end wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Two. The only reason I don't is because I feel
like wide receiver is very deep this year. So maybe
I'll take a little bit of.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
A risk on an upside play over a guy like
Calvin Ridley, knowing I could maybe get him in the
next round or something.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
So I will say too with Ridley, Bogs, I didn't
mean to cut you off, but you're with Ridley. If
you don't get him in your draft, I guarantee you'll
be able to trade from after Week one because they're
playing at the Broncos.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, he's gonna be the sin of the week.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Like I'm sorry, he was a great pick but one
is not where this guy's gonna fire better better.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
I hope he doesn't catch one big one week one.
We'll never get it.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
It's gonna be it could be the Barvin Harrison line
where he's he does absolutely nothing Week one, next week
plays the Rams just goes off. So something keeping, something
to remember, bog.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
With some of the guys around Ridley, I want to ask,
would you rather Calvin Ridley or Jalen Waddle and just
just scrapid fire through these?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
I would rather have Jaalen Waddle.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Calvin Ridley or Jamison Williams.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
I'm the next week, I have Ridley one spot higher.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Calvin Ridley or George Pickens. I know the answer, but
I just want to give you a chance to say it.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
I mean, I have them next to each other, but
I have George Pickens one spot higher.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Calvin Ridley or Ted McMillan for this year, not dynas.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
T still tech like Ted is still number one on
a team that's going to be horrible on defense still,
and that's an upgrade.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Horrible is an upgrade from historically awful.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Last one Ridley or a lave.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Mmm probably Ridley.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, Ridley a bog when give your first receiver.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Be the quickest one. I have fellas.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Mike Evans currently is being drafted to ADP wide receiver eighteen.
His projections are thirteen. I have him at thirteen. Look,
I think a Mecca egg Buka is awesome. I think
he's really good. I don't think he pushes Mike Evans
at all. I think Mike Evans is still the man.

(40:22):
He's had one thousand yards every single season of his career.
He is one hundred and five touchdowns, double digits in
four of the last five seasons. Were scared off because
Mayfield overperformed and they added Eggbuka. How is this not
better for Mike Evans. I don't get it. I understand
he's old, and he missed a couple games, and he

(40:42):
still had a thousand yards last year. And by the way,
this dude gets to play Carolina twice every year. So look,
Mike Evans is being underdrafted and he's until he he
probably will be at.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
This point in his career until he retires. But it's
happening again, and I just need to point it out.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Erekson, where do you have Evans ranked?

Speaker 2 (41:02):
I have I believe I have him in my time,
my top fifteen. So I just think that he's the
perfect He's a wide receiver too that you know can
give you week winning performances because he has these monster
games or he scores two touchdowns, goes over one hundred yards. Yeah,
there are some duds here and there, whether it's because
he drops the ball or just they decide to feature
someone else in the offense. But in the second half

(41:23):
heard that he had last year coming back from his
hamstring injury. Again Chris Godwin was not involved. So how
good can Mike Evans be from the gate? Out of
the gates, It's probably gonna be pretty fair playing the
Falcons week one, like, come on, here we go.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
He's a He and I were fighting because I was like,
he's going to get to a thousand yards again and
he said, no way, he's hurt. I said yeah, but
he gets Carolina twice on the back end, and he did,
and he got to one thousand.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
And there's no more Marshall Latimore in the division. He's
gone bye bye. So we'll have to do those, We'll
have to rehash all of the Marshall Latimore versus Mike
Evan matchup box scores. So I think that he's just
went in doubt Mike Evans.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
All right, Ericson, we have the kind of older Mike Evans,
give us one of the few younger guys we're talking
about today for your next receiver.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Going with second year wide receiver for the kansasdate, Chief
Xavier Worthy wide receiver twenty four in the projection's wide
receiver twenty six in eightyp So I'm a little bit
higher on the projections while have him closer to I
believe wide receiver twenty or twenty one and this projection, obviously,
it depends on how many games you're knocking Rashie Rice
for his suspension, so the projections are going to vary,

(42:28):
but it seems safe to say and project that Rice
will probably miss the beginning of the season. Whether that's
six games three games is still up for debate, and
that's going to cause a fluctuation with where it Worthy's projected.
But I just think that any missed games from Rice
to the beginning season really gives Worthy an opportunity to
kind of staple his input onto this Chiefs offense where

(42:48):
he doesn't have a leak competition to deal with now
because it's him as the offense as the wide receiver
one without Rice and Travis Kelce, and then you have
some of the other piece of Hollywood. Brown has already
banged up like his his main focus this year was
to enter the season and not get hurt, and he's
already injured with his ankle injury. So Jalen Royal is
a guy they drafted at Day three. Maybe he's a
little bit more of affactor juj Just Smith Schuster is

(43:09):
still hanging around. But I just think that you're going
to see what we saw from Rice, where he carried
over a very strong rookie season performance into year two
out of the gates on fire. I think we're going
to see that from Worthy. He finished this season strong
as a rookie. I think he's going to continue to
be on that trajectory entering his second season again. Second
half of last year, from Week eleven onward over two

(43:29):
yards per rout run. He finished top ten in the
NFL in terms of red zone targets. So he's gobbling
up these high value opportunities from Patrick Mahomes and his
team's excited about building around him, especially if they're going
to be missing Rice. So I saw Worthy earlier this
season as high as wide receiver seventeen in terms of
the projection. So, like I said before, the projections are
going to vary a little bit depending on the rice suspension.

(43:51):
But I just think that Worthy projects at least to
start the year on fire, and I think that's a
good bet to make on where you're drafting him in
round four or.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Five, Savior Worthy Bogman, Where do you have him as
a Texas guy? Yeah, I mean, obviously I'm huge Onworthy,
and I just think that, you know, wouldn't you want
to get invested in a guy like Tyreek Hill before
he blows up? I mean that's what you look at
the extrapolated numbers from the second half of the season,
it looks like one of those peak Tyreek Hill years,

(44:21):
which she can't do. Obviously, they had a bunch of
wide receivers injured. It's not good process, right. It is
sexy though, it's fun to look at.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
That way, but I just think that, like, you know,
the more reliable you become with Patrick Mahomes, the more
he's going to feed you. And I think he did that,
you know, all the way through to the Super Bowl
and is going to have an opportunity to do that
early in the season as well to become one of
mahomes most reliable targets. You know, Kelsey is getting older
and going by the wayside, and or she Rice can't

(44:52):
stay on the field, whether it be injuries or suspensions.
So I think Worthy just has a lot of room
to grow, and I want to roster him as much
as I can this year.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Bog can give me your last receiver.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah, okay, it's Jacoby Myers and this one. It's just
like this should be the poster board of this show,
you know, because he is completely disrespected.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
I'm doing it too. His ADP right now, wide receiver
forty one. I have him as a wide receiver four
right now. His projections are wide receiver twenty nine. And
if you look just every single year last year, wide
receiver twenty three and total points twenty six and points
per game twenty twenty three, twenty fourth, total twenty fifth,
in points per game twenty twenty two, twenty eighth and

(45:33):
twenty eighth, twenty twenty one, thirty three and forty second Vegas.
I look, I do think maybe there's a little tick
down because I think Vegas was third in passing percentage
last season. Right genty was brought in to change the
entire scope of this offense, and they will run the
ball way more. But Jacoby Myers is still your wide

(45:55):
receiver number one. With a bullet here, Bowers is your
number one target. Gent's gonna touch the ball when anybody's so. Yes,
he is number three in this offense. I'm not trying
to overstate his value, but he is. Just like he's
a wide receiver three every single year. And because some
guys are gonna get it hurt and some guys are
going to underperform, he's just gonna do that again. He

(46:17):
is maybe the safest player in the draft and maybe
the most affordable player in the draft as well.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I mean, I know there's I know there's other context here,
but like you could just paint it as simple as
he was a wide receiver two last year in the
totality of the season, and they got as big an
upgrade at quarterback as anybody in the NFL. Like just
those two facts alone should be enough to say. Like
you said, his ADP's thirty eight, his ECR is even lower.

(46:43):
His consensus ranking is forty one.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
So I'm higher than that Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
I'm just like, like at its core, Yes, four straight
years of finishing his wide receiver thirty three or higher
like you laid out, and he got a quarterback upgrade.
So it's it's one of those that is nobody is
going to at your draft like, congratulate you on picking
Jacoby Myers, but he's going to outperform his value. The
definition at this point in his career of a boring

(47:11):
veteran ericson what do you think?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I think that Bog's hit the nail on the head
talking about who's the cover boy for the projections off
this player? But the Drafters hate him maybe Jacoby Myers,
and I wish he was on the Patriots still, I'd
be giddy about this guy attached to Drake Man. It's
too bad that the Patriots still have it. Oh they
did have him, and I just let him walk for
so they could sign Juju instead, who already talked about

(47:33):
as still in the Chiefs. But I think Myers is
one of these best value plays. I think that the
reason people are turned off by him is you think,
what's the upside play? Again, he's a twenty eight year
old receiver. Is there another level that he Canna lock.
But to your point, I mean he has an upgraded quarterback.
Now he has Gino Smith and last year he had
eighty seven catches over a thousand yards and four touchdowns.

(47:55):
So what if he scores eight touchdowns? Oh boom, Now
you have a locked and loaded top two oney wide receiver.
Maybe it's on that positive side of touchdown Verius. If
the Raiders offense can be above average or inside the
top fifteen with an upgraded quarterback, I think Gino Smith,
I mean this whole Raiders' offense I think is getting
kind of underlook the passing game, specifically with Gino Smith
as an upgrade from how many quarterbacks that they play

(48:16):
last Didn't they have Desmond Ritter playing quarterback for their
team last year, And so yeah, he's a value.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
I was gonna say the same point too about the touchdowns,
like it even if he gets a little bit less
usage because of the offense changing, like, it's gonna be
more efficient, efficient usage and he's gonna have a better
chance of scoring if they're moving the ball down the
field with a guy like Gentis. So I want to
let everybody know that the team here at Fantasy Pros
are taking questions all week. Every week on twitch, Ericson

(48:45):
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(49:05):
the tight ends. Ericson your last young guy here.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Going with Tyler Warren, tight end for the Indianapolis Colts,
rookie tight end that was selected in this year's draft,
and I think they want to point out the projection.
So he's tight end nine in the projections, he's tight
end twelve and ADP. But I want to point out
that from tight end nine to tight end fourteen, the
guys in the projections are separated by six points. So
it's like a very strict tier where one touchdown one

(49:30):
of the way could make a guy go from tight
end fifteen projected to tight end eight for tight end
nine and Warren just this in these projections is on
the positive side of that tier. But I fell it
was a good reason to talk about him because I
think that these projections are suggesting, Hey, even considering the
Colts the quarterbacks, who's the quarterback? Who? What's it going

(49:51):
to be within this system? The Shanstyken has set up
the fact that they went out and drafted Tyler Warren
something that we're missing from this offense. He's going to
have a big role. And just from a fact that
he's gonna play a lot in this offense, why is
he coming off the field?

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Like?

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Who are the Colts putting in a tight end instead
of Tyler Warren? At least in the case of the
Bears with levelin and who is going to be compared
to Warren basically every single week of this guy's careers,
And I think that both guys can both be good
in different ways. There's no tight end competition in Indy.
It's yeat and the receivers are what you're concerned about.
But he's gonna play probably ninety percent of the snaps,
and what do we know about tight ends? Part of

(50:25):
half the battle is are you just running enough routes.
Please just get on the field and run routes. I
think Tyler Warren is going to do that. He has
yards out to the catch to his game. He's a
beast with the ball in his hands, as you guys
obviously know. And how does that make it easy for
a inaccurate quarterback? Stump it off to your tight end
let him do the rest. So even if these guys
are inaccurate and all over the place, Warren can make

(50:46):
up for that with what he can do when he
gets the ball in his hands. And I think the
thing that's sneaky about Warren is the design usage the
rushing potential that you around the goal line. That's cheap
and easy. Imagine getting Taysom Hill with like another to
like with the traditional tight end included into that.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Imagine the full house. Right, You've got a rich JT
and Tyler Warren back.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Then, exactly. So I think that Warren, especially he is
a little bit older, which I know was kind of
a knock on him from the Dynasty perspective, but I
think that helps him to as a player to hit
the ground running in year one. Two of the things
that I remember absorbing the most during the pre draft
coverage from like non fantasy analysts were that he was
not going to hit a rookie wall. That was the
number one thing I remember reading about and researching. And

(51:29):
the number two thing was he was an alpha alpha
all the way. And we look at this cult receiver room.
Michael Pittman has been really good, Josh Towns has been good.
But are these guys like true alpha number ones with
a bullet Maybe not, And maybe that's why they went
out and took Tyler Warren in round one. So for
those reasons, I'm in on Tyler Warren. Where he's going
in the projections here paint the picture of hey, you're

(51:50):
getting him after tight end nine and this is like
maybe worst case scenario is he's a back end fantasy
title when we get all this upside, especially what we've
seen from rookie tight ends the last couple of years
from Brock Bauers and Sam Laporta.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Bog when I know you got to get going here
in a second, So why don't we just skip to
your tight end?

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Yeah it's Dallas Goddard and look another just crusty, old,
boring veteran. He almost got traded in the offseason right
right now. His ADP is tight end fifteen. His projections
are tight end eleven. I do have some of those
young guys with the upside like Lovelin and Warren ahead

(52:26):
of him, but you have to admit a guy like
Dallas Goddard. You know, last season eleventh in points per game,
just in points per game. He's been a tight end
one in all but two seasons since twenty nineteen, and
the ones that he weren't tight end fourteen and tight
end thirteen.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
So the floor is.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Insanely high for a dude like Dallas Goddard. He's very
very safe, and like, maybe if you're drafting two tight
ends right not something I love to do, but maybe
your bench is deep. You get a guy like Warren
with unlimited, crazy upside, and then you take a floor
guy like Dallas Goddard who's boring and at least in
the beginning of the season, can offer you some coverage

(53:08):
while you look and see what Tyler Warren's usage is
going to be that initial week and moving forward there. So, yeah,
Dallas Goddard another guy. You could put him in that
Jacoby Myers where he's boring but very very trustable and
of course, the projections are better than the drafting.

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audience picks for this as well on Twitter, So I'm
just gonna run through these very quickly. Bogwin and you
got to go, so we'll go. There's like eighty replies here,

(54:13):
so I'm not gonna read through all of them, but
just some of the ones that stuck out that people
I think are going to outperform adp on there on
projections and just kind of general analysis this season. What
I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna read them, and
you guys stop me. If there's one that you want
to kind of jump in on and say you like
or dislike, feel free to interrupt me. Here some of
the names. Ted McMillan, Xavier Worthy, who we talked about

(54:35):
new England wide receiver one is listed here. It doesn't
actually name him, just says new England wide receiver one. Yeah,
any chief player, George Pickens, we know Bogwin likes that one.
Diggs who could fit into that new England wide receiver one,
Addison Spears, Shihied John U, Josh Downs, Dobbins who we
mentioned Jalen.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Because he had so many targets last season. And Arthur
Smith is like putting him in the backfield and inventing ways.
You know, Arthur Smith. You know this is why, like
like before Ericson, when you're like, well, Spears carved out
a role, I was like, or is Arthur Smith just
dumb putting him in over Derrick Henry?

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Right?

Speaker 4 (55:14):
You know, like sure he carved out a role, but
I'm not taking Derrick Henry out the field to put
in Spears.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
So, but John neu is gonna get a lot of luck. Yeah,
so an interesting one.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Fields In Hall, Cooper Cup, Bryce Young Waddle, Jalen Nole,
Cuba Hubbard, Marvin Harrison Junior, Cedric Tillman. So a lot
of variety between the kind of stars and veterans versus
kind of the up and comers, and you know guys
that we expect to take loops. For Travis Kelsey's listed
here talking about veterans.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
I mean they might like scheme up a bunch of
touchdowns because it's his last year for Kelsey.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
I don't hate that one.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
I actually don't, honestly, I've really kind of come around.
And Andy Rasier too, Jordan Mason, Calvin Ridley gets mentioned
a few times, Braylan Allen. So yeah, those are some
of the ones that were thrown out. There was a
lot more. Like I said, we got a ton of
a ton of responses there. So shouts everybody on social
for sharing who they think is there. If you have
any more that you want to come up with you
didn't see the tweet, or just want to kind of

(56:08):
share your own opinions, feel free to drop those in
the comments and let us know what other players you
guys like, as as guys who are going to outperform
their ADP this season. Players agreed Bagman Waddle, Yeah, you're
You've always been a big waddle.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Waddle is a good one. I mean the one hundred
eleven targets from Jonah Smith gone.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
What do you gotta think is more likely the Terry
Kill Finish is a top five Fantasy wide receiver or
he's on a different team in twenty twenty five? What's
more likely?

Speaker 3 (56:33):
I'll say top five?

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Still, I think I might say top five, but it's
it's close.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
It's not with confidence. Yeah, I'm not saying it with confidence.
I'll say that I.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Have no conviction in that. But I but I like
Waddle for the reason you're alluding to. There, they're Ericson.
So yeah, everybody drop your own picks in the comments below.
Let us know where you agreed or disagreed with Ericson
and Bogman. For those two, I'm Ryan Warmley. Thanks for
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