18 Undervalued Studs (Ep. 509)

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome into the Fantasy Pro Which Football Podcast. My name
is Kyle Yates and I am your host. I am
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it's terrible actually, you know, um, twenty twenty just keeps

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getting worse. And as you pointed out in our slack
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(00:58):
that's twenty twenty for you. It's twenty twenty. I mean legitimately.
He announced that the other day and I was like, yeah,
sounds about right, Like I wasn't surprised at all. But anyway,
we could I think we could talk about that forever,
but that's not what people are tuning in for. We
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All right, guys, let's get into the discussion for today.
We are talking about players who are undervalued or flying
under the radar right now that we think have a

(02:43):
chance to make a huge impact in twenty twenty. So
we haven't talked to each other about these players, so
I'm sure there's going to be some overlap, but let's
get right to it. We'll try to get through as
many names as we can. Tags. We'll do this in
a roundtable format, so you are up first, and then Davis,
and then I will go I'm gonna start with like
a softball because I'm gonna try and work as like
the later rounds as we move on. But I want
to talk about, just for a moment, about Juju Smith

(03:04):
Schuster and that he's an undervalued stud in terms of,
you know, if we were to go through the season,
let's say that Ben Roethlisberger comes back to a quarterback
you know, ninety percent of the quarterback that he was
prior to his injury. He was supporting two top twelve
wide receivers every year. Juju Smith Schuster was extremely young
growing into his role. Last year was a down years,

(03:25):
We'll be honest about it. But James Washington, you know,
he's being replaced by Chase Claypool. We have Deontay Johnson
on the other side of the field playing and the perimeter,
going to see the top tier cornerbacks, and they've already
said that Juju is gonna go back into the slot,
which was where he was most successful when Antonio Brown
was on the team. Now, again, I'm not saying that
Deontay Johnson's going to get the attention that Ab did,
But at the same time, it's really difficult to scheme

(03:45):
against a slot wide receiver like Juju Smith Schuster. So
he's one of those guys where I don't think that
anyone would blink if he finished as a top five
wide receiver this year. Again, there are some question marks
around Ben Roethlisberger and the offense in general. But at
the same time, again, Yates, I wanted to ask you
because I know you were against Juju Smith Schuster in
terms of like where I had him ranked, But would

(04:07):
you be shocked if you saw him finishes a top
five wide receiver this year? No, not at all. And
I've started to come around to him as the offseason
has gone along, where I've been looking at his situation
where he's coming into, you know, this season, moving back
into the slot. Everything that you laid out is is
kind of paving a path for him to move back
into top tier fantasy relevance. So I definitely understand it.

(04:27):
I get the love for Juju. I'm I have him
at wide receiver eleven right now in my ranking, so
I'm right around there. But you know, we're talking about
these guys that are within the top twelve, top fifteen,
even there's a definite path for them to finish in
the top five. So depending on where he ends up
in you know, when we get to draft season, right
when people are early September people are drafting Juju? Are

(04:48):
they going to be drafting him as a top five
wide receiver? Is his ADP going to creep all the
way up up there? Then at that point I might
be out, But otherwise I think he's a value right now. Yeah, Davis,
were you out on Juju? Because we had a debate
Yates and I went back and fourth on an email.
Are you giving up on him in this offense? Do
you think the defense has gotten too good to where
the past attempts are going to fall off? Are you
worried about Ben? No, I'm not. I'm not particularly worried.

(05:08):
I mean, I think the issue you have to have
with drafting both Jujus, Smith Schuster, James Conner, and Deonte
Johnson it's it's pretty much all related to Ben Roethlisberger's arm.
If Ben Roethlisberger's arm stays healthy, then I think that
he is you know, I think it's incredibly likely that
Smith Schuster is going to end up being, you know,
one of the five best wide receivers in fantasy. And

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if Big Ben gets hurt and we are getting a
season out of you know, really the worst backup quarterback
situation in all of football with Mason Rudolph and deviln Hodges. I,
you know, I think he will end up being, you know,
one of the worst draft picks. And I really think
it's about that symbol, because if you go back and
you look at what Jujus smith Schuster had done through
two seasons, his historic comps were basically like Randy Moss

(05:54):
and Josh Gordon, and those were the only guys who
had performed as well as you know, as well as
he at it at such a young age. So I
am in on thinking that smith Schuster is a value
in drafts this year. Nice. All right, well, Davis, let's
just turn right back around to you here, and let's
get your guy, your first guy for undervalued studs. So
very very similar, you know, in a very similar draft range.

(06:16):
We have Dj Moore who goes as you know, kind
of he goes in that kind of round four range.
Sometimes he will go round three. But I have him
as one of my six best Fantasy wide receivers. I
have him as a second round pick in PPR leagues.
He was wide receiver six on a points per game
basis with Kyle Allen last year before he got injured

(06:39):
in week fifteen, and I basically think that Dj moore
ceiling is with you know, competent quarterback play is like
number one overall wide receiver, you know, wide receiver performances,
and you know, I think the market kind of views
him as definitely like worse than Julio Jones, Mike Evans,
Chris Godwin, and I think he should be valued in

(07:01):
that tier. So I want to ask you based off
of that, is that projection you talk about him potentially
finishing as a number one overall wide receiver, right? Is
that on the back of just pure target volume or
are you basing it on the back of you know,
this offense is going to be dynamic, They're gonna be
touchdowns all over the board. Where where are you kind
of landing with that? So it's a it's a combination
of both. Is you know this offense just has they

(07:23):
have four really good players, right, They have DJ Moore,
they have Christian McCaffrey, they have Churtis Samuel, they have
Robbie Anderson. Maybe we are putting Ian Thomas in there,
maybe we aren't, but they have had a super narrow
passing tree. Obviously, you know, I'm expecting Teddy Bridgewater to
be a lot better of a player than Kyle Allen was.
You know, I think Kyle Allen basically proved himself to

(07:44):
be one of the worst starting quarterbacks you know that
we've seen in the NFL in quite some time. And
he runs the sort of routes and plays the kind
of position that is just very conducive to racking up
a lot of targets and racking up, you know, a
high catch rate. He's like basically the best wide receiver
in the NFL at running slants and at turning slant targets,

(08:07):
you know, because he's so good after the catch as well.
He's able to add yards after the catch and touchdown
upside on some of those really basic slant routes. So
I am I am very in on DJ Moore, both
his volume and his efficiency. Sure, all right, well, tags,
what do you think where are you at with with
DJ Moore this season? I definitely cev attraction here. He

(08:28):
saw a lot of volume last year. My concern is
the obviously under Matt rule, we'd have no idea what
these roles are going to look like going to get
Robbie Anderson is concerning just because Robbie Anderson comes from
the offense they played together. He's already played under Matt
Rule Teddy Bridgewater when he was a starter for New Orleans.
He kind of locked onto one wide receiver, and I
don't know if they're trying to build around Robbie Anderson,
they shouldn't. DJ Moore is a fantastic wide receiver, so

(08:49):
this has nothing to do with him. It just has
more to do with all these targets because you have
to figure Christian McCaffrey's not gonna lose. You know, he's
getting one hundred targets. That's happening. And then you say
they signed Robbie Anderson to this two year deal. They
clearly like him. They didn't trade Curtis Samuel, but we
did hear rumors about it. They have to figure figure
out a way to get creative with him, even though
he was one of the least efficient wide receivers in
football last year. I understand his targets were bad, but

(09:11):
so were DJ moore is and DJ Moore did just fine.
So I like DJ Moore quite a bit. I think
I prefer him as like a high end wide receiver too,
But does he have the upside to get there. Yeah,
he's a receiver that can get one hundred and forty
targets if they treat him as that true number one receiver. Again,
there's the risk in it, and I think that's why
he's not going as a top twelve wide receiver. He
actually might be in dynasty. I was shocked to see

(09:32):
that Dj Moore is like the number five wide receiver,
number six wide receiver. It was high for my taste,
but in redraft he seems to be priced about right. Yeah,
this offseason, his Dynasty ADP was skyrocketing, so yeah, it
doesn't surprise me to hear that he was within the
top five. All right, I'm gonna go here and I'm
gonna bring up Jarvis Landry. This is just a guy
who is perennially just undervalued in the fantasy community, but

(09:54):
yet he consistently produces. I mean, I brought this up
on the other podcast this week, where Jarvis Landry in
twenty seventeen was the wide receiver seven, twenty eighteen wide
receiver nineteen twenty nineteen wide receiver thirteen. Like he's done
nothing but just produced for fantasy football over the past
few years. If you're looking at this offense, I think
what is pushing his ADP down, Like Guy's his ADP

(10:16):
right now is wide receiver thirty one, So he's being
consistently just pushed further and further down draft boards. And
I think it potentially is this offense. Right We're talking
about low passing volume, but it's really a two headed
monster at the wide receiver position. It's Odell and it's Jarvis.
Outside of that, Richard Higgins, you know, Donovan people's jones,
they're not going to be taking they're not going to
be getting on the field. With how predominantly run heavy

(10:39):
and twelve personnel based this offense is going to be
so and we've seen in Minnesota Adam Feelin and Stefan
Diggs have been very, very Fantasy relevant over the past
few seasons. It does not make sense to me why
he's so low in ADP and his ECRs wide receiver
twenty nine as well. I haven't met wide receiver twenty three,
so it's not like I'm saying that he's a top
fifteen wide receiver or anything like that. But when we're

(11:00):
talking about someone who is undervalued, I believe that Jarvis
Landry has the potential because he's done it consistently to
finish at within the top twenty. Yeah, Landry, he's like
that guy that nobody ever wants to draft because he's
like boring in a way. He is consistently boring, but
he's consistently reliable. The question is does the hip surgery
that he had this offseason that does that make us

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worry a little bit? Yeah, Davis, where are you at
with Landry? And you know, does, like tags mentioned, does
that hip surgery potentially scare you at all from taking
him again? He's going pretty late. I mean Scott fish
Bowl we're all participating in. He went in the six
or seventh round in some leagues that I've been seeing.
So where are you at with with Jarvis Landry this year? Yeah?
I really like Jarvis Landry. I think that you know,

(11:42):
there there certainly is a there certainly is a chance
that Odell Beckham's you know, just continued injuries might have
you know, kind of caught up with him. Basically thinking
that like, actually it's going to be Landry who kind
of takes the onus as the number one wide receiver
this year. Also would not surprise me if the things
that Kevin Stevanski is thinking to quell a lot of

(12:03):
the issues that the Cleveland Browns had last offseason. It's
just like, we got to dial up a lot of
easy throws for Baker. We need to be uing a
lot of play action. We need to be using a
lot of screens, a lot of slants, you know, just
kind of to get him in rhythm and to pick
up free yards for this offense. And Landry is going
to be the clear beneficiary of that as opposed to

(12:23):
Odell and and you know what I mean. To be honest,
Landry has been better than Odell in their Cleveland career anyway.
So I yeah, I'm on board with this for sure. Awesome.
All right, well tags you you're up here, who do
you have? All Right, I'm gonna move down the board
a little bit in this player is going I think
around the wide receiver twenty five range DK Metcalf. You know,
he's one of those guys that I talk about if

(12:44):
you want to shoot for this guy, and you want
to you want to aim for a guy that could
finish top ten as a top ten wide receiver, but
it's being drafted as a wide receiver three Metcalf's your guy.
I mean this Seattle team. Bobby and I are going
through a debate right now on Tyler Lockett. I actually
think Lockett is valuable too. But if you want to
project someone you know you can get later in drafts,
just go to Metcalf. Because you look at the defense

(13:05):
this team, like the shift that they've gone through. Since
the Seahawks used to be a team that everybody feared
on defense, they're no longer that team. Quentin Dunbar is
the big cornerback signing that they made in free agency,
and he's going to be in jail or at the
very least suspended for quite a while after holding someone
a gunpoint if I'm not mistaken, So he's not going
to be out there. They really didn't have cornerbacks last year,
and that's why we started to see Russell Wilson throw

(13:26):
the ball a little bit more. He threw the ball
five hundred and sixteen times last year. I could see
that going up above five fifty with the defense, the
shape that it's in. So if we see those numbers
go up, Russell Wilson continually is extremely efficient. So if
those targets are going somewhere do you think they're gonna
go to Philip Dorset David Moore? No, We've already been there,
We've done that. DK Moore was considered a raw prospect,

(13:47):
and you saw his route tree grow as the year
went on. They started moving him around the formation a
little bit. If he gets one hundred and twenty five
targets from Russell Wilson, he's finishing as a wide receiver. One. Yeah,
Davis Twitter, your thoughts are with DK. Metcalf couldn't agree
more it to me, it really is all about, you know,
how stubborn are the Seattle Seahawks going to be this year?
Are they going to continue to allow you know, Chris Carson,

(14:11):
DJ Dallas, Carlos Hyde. Are they going to allow those
guys to determine what happens in games? Or are they
going to turn the offense over it and really let
Russ cook? And obviously you know we all want we
all want them to let Russ cook. And I don't know.
I am hoping that tags is correct. Metcalf as a
guy that I've been been drafting, feel very confident drafting.

(14:32):
Same with Lockett. I think the issue you might have
with I think the issue you might find with Metcalf
is he obviously is not going to be a super
high volume guy, and if he just runs bad on touchdowns,
it could kind of be like a Mike Williams scenario
where he looked great one year because he scores the
eleven touchdowns and then you know, bad luck kind of
turns him into a guy that you're not feeling super

(14:55):
excited about owning. Yeah, there's a couple of things. Obviously
there are concerns and Davis mention from them, but there's
a couple things that are pointing in Metcalf's direction. Like
you know, we're talking about Okay, Rashad Penny most likely
Dustin for the publist. We don't know what Chris Carson's
health is. We just don't know if he's going to
be healthy for Week one. At that point, you're relying
on Carlos hide In DJ Dallas DJ Dallas, the fourth
round running back out of Miami. So and while I

(15:18):
like Dallas, I don't think that they're going to be
as efficient running the ball as they have been with
Carson and Penny over the past couple of years. If
that's the case, then you're looking at you and Davis
phrase as letting Russ cook. I love that, you know,
letting them air the ball out a little bit more.
And if that's the case, then there's more targets to
go around, because again you're talking about Philip Dorset and

(15:39):
David Moore behind him, not exactly, you know, top tier
backup options. So then additionally, the other thing is that,
and I mentioned this previously, DK metcalf saw seventeen targets
in the inside the twenty last year in the red zone,
he only brought in five of those receptions with a
twenty nine point four one percent catch rate. If he
sees seventeen targets in the red zone again, but his

(15:59):
catch rate bounces up to what fifty percent. Even then
you're talking about even more scoring opportunities for a very
very dynamic receiving threat. So DK metcalfs certainly I like
him this year. I think he's a fine option, especially
in where his ADP is right now. So yeah, I'm
with the tags. Yep, No, it's gonna hear you guys.
Everybody on board with this one. It just say, it
just makes too much sense. And you know, going forward,

(16:22):
you have to project defense because like otherwise, you're never
going to be able to project those past attempts. It's
like the same thing with the Vikings. Right last year
they threw the ball under four hund fifty times. This
year they're going to be the defense is going to
take a step back like they're they're I don't want
to say they're rebuilding on defense, but they slowly are.
So we could see them take a jump like the
Seahawks did last year, and the Seahawks defense has not
gotten better this offseason. Yeah, absolutely, all right, Davis, who

(16:44):
do you have for your second guy here? I have
what is probably viewed as a very boring selection, which
is going to be Robert Woods of the Los Angeles Rams.
You know, basically two straight thousand yards seasons in this offense.
They use him creative as a rusher, you know, literally
even giving him goal line carries sometimes and Brandon Cooks

(17:06):
no longer on the team, a little bit more passing
volume to go around. You know, it seems like everyone
prefers Cooper Cup as the top Rams wide receiver drafted.
I am I am team Robert Woods all the way.
You know, he did not lose any snaps when the
Rams went into their more heavy twelve personnel stuff. You
know Cup was losing snaps to Josh Reynolds. You know

(17:27):
Woods pretty much Lee led the team in snaps every
single week. So I think Woods is just one of
those guys where if if he ends up being your
your top wide receiver on your team, you're like, really
not even all that upside about it, but he makes
you know, one of the best second wide receivers in
fantasy football this year. I mean, I completely agree. I'm
completely in your camp, Davis there of Robert Woods. I

(17:51):
have Robert Woods in my top twelve wide receivers because
the opportunity is simply too good to pass up, and
especially when you factor in his ADP and where he's
going in drafts. Right now, you're getting as your wide
receiver two, sometimes even your wide receiver three. And if
that's the case, then oh man, sign me up. So
it tags where are you at with Robert Woods. I
know we've talked about this a little bit, but where
are you at right now? I like Robert Woods. I'm
not as high as you guys are on him. I

(18:12):
have him around that wide receiver seventeen eighteen range. I
feel like he is a good wide receiver two to have.
I feel like he's like the Jarvis Landry right, like
in terms of like maybe he is the new Jarvis
Landry and fantasy football because nobody wants to draft him
where he's finished. Right. He only scored two touchdowns last year, Yes,
and people have talked about positive aggression and all that,
but the issue is that he's not a touchdown guy.

(18:34):
He's never scored more than six touchdowns in a season,
and he's obviously been under McVeigh here a couple of years,
so I don't want to assume that that goes north. Now,
he might score a rushing touchdown or two, which should
help prop up those numbers. He's one of the safer
wide receiver twos that you can get. And can he
finished as a top twelve wide receiver. Yeah, I'd say
low end. He could probably finish there. But he's one

(18:54):
of the safer wide receiver two So I like Woods.
It's not that I don't like him. I just think
the ceiling is a bit limited. Sure, I mean from
my perspective, like, even if he gets to six touchdowns, like,
I'm fine with that, especially when you factor in last
year's receiving. If he comes around there, right. I mean
even in twenty eighteen to twenty eighteen was eighty six
receptions for twelve hundred nineteen yards. Last year was ninety
receptions for eleven hundred and thirty four yards. So if

(19:17):
he gets ninety receptions eleven hundred and thirty four yards
and six touchdowns, you're talking about a bona fide wide
receiver one. Yeah, So I really like him there. I'm
glad that you brought him up, Davis, because I'm definitely
in your camp there. All right, I'm going to bring
up David Montgomery currently as the running back twenty four
and ECR and the running back twenty five and ADP.
I think you know, I've talked about him a lot

(19:39):
on this podcast where I think everything that could have
gone wrong for David Montgomery last year did now am
by sitting here and saying that David Montgomery is one
of the most talented running backs in the NFL. He's
gonna average four point five yards per carry, you know,
and score ten plus rushing touchdowns. No, I'm not sitting
here saying that, but when we're looking at under the
radar studs and these guys who are going to outperform

(19:59):
their ad P. A lot of this happens on the
back of just pure volume. And as we look at
the Bears running back situation, you have Montgomery, you have Cohen,
and then behind you have Ryan Nall, who Ryan Nall
is not going to be a factor in the Russian
game treat Cohen's not seen more than ninety one hundred carries,
like just not happening. That's not who he is. He's
more of a receiver. So at that point, like David

(20:20):
Montgomery's locked in for two hundred fifty, two hundred and
sixty even two hundred and seventy plus carries if this
offense can get back to at least efficient. So you know,
even if I'm projecting him with a three point seven,
three point nine yards per carry, under four yards per carry,
He's still going to drastically outperform where you're getting him.
I understand that he hurt a lot of rosters last year.

(20:42):
I get it. He was insanely hyped up. People were
selecting him in the fourth round, third round of last
year's eight you know of last year's drafts, and he
hurt your rosters. I get it. But looking at this season,
I believe he's in too greade of an opportunity, especially
when you factor in his draft stock. Davis, where are
you at with David Montgomery? Are you kind of one
of the guys that's just I'll let someone else take him,

(21:03):
or are you looking at him in those mid rounds?
So I think the problem you have with David Montgomery
is he's actually more of a guy who benefits from
an injury than a guy who should be considered a
stone cold starter. Because if Tarry Cohen plays sixteen games,
David Montgomery's target ceiling and a floor actually both are
and also his touchdown upside is limited just because you know,

(21:25):
the Bears offense isn't very good, whether it's led by
Mitch Chubiskier, weather it's led by Nick Foles, we expected
to basically be league average at best. So kind of
what's going to end up happening is Montgomery might be
a guy who at year's end, you know, it's totally
possible that he ends up being like running back nineteen,
But he's going to be a guy who's not featured
on a ton of league championship winning teams because you know,

(21:48):
grinding out eleven points a week is not super valuable.
It's those ceiling weeks. It's those spiked weeks that are
so valuable. And I'm not sure that David Montgomery really
has all that mini spiked weeks in him. Sure, tags
where what are your thoughts there? I think it depends
on the offense really in terms of like if if
Matt nag can get back on track and go back

(22:08):
to the coach that he was in twenty eighteen. I
absolutely think that there's potential for David Montgomery to finishes
the RB one this year, not the RB one, but
a RB one. And I say that because going back
to twenty eighteen, I mean we had tre Cohen finishes
the RB thirteen, Jordan Howard finishes the RB twenty. So
both of them did fairly well. And it's not like
Trubisky had an MVP caliber season. It just depends on

(22:30):
how the offense works out. Now, Trek Cohen has received targets,
those are not going to go away. But last year,
based on his opportunity, I came out with an article.
It went up on the Fantasy pros just yesterday. It
said who should have scored the most Fantasy points in
twenty nineteen and it's based on and I've talked about
this before, every single carry, every single target, every single
pass attempt, depending on where it's at on the field,

(22:51):
has a certain expected fantasy outcome. The staff that I
want I want people to latch onto in this is
that of the top fourteen running backs and who should
have scored the most, thirteen of them, we're in the
top fourteen at year's end. That tells you that opportunity
means absolutely everything to a running back, not so much talent.
That's why we talk about whither they're replaceable. David Montgomery
was number fifteen an opportunity last year, and that was

(23:12):
with Teriking getting one hundred and four targets. That was
with Mike Davis getting a couple starts to start the year,
so there was just so much opportunity for him. He
had eighty or eighty eight percent of their carries inside
the five yard line. I know Davis that they don't
have a whole lot of those opportunities. But again, if
Matt Naggi can get back on track as a play caller,
and maybe Nick Foles does insert some energy into this

(23:34):
offense or some at least some reliability, I do think
that people are going to be very happy if they
get David Montgomery as their flex player or even a
low end RB two for sure. All right, hey, before
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cave today. All right, Tags, let's go to you for
your third guy here in Undervalued Studs. All right? So,

(25:23):
I think, by the way, when you went menationed David Montgomery,
I think you could have mentioned ter Cohen that same sentence,
just because of all the targets he gets and the
opportunity that he has in that team. He's already shown
that he could finish as a borderline RB one. But
I don't consider him a stud just more of like
a reliable fantasy player. I am going to go down.
I'm gonna stick with the running back position. I'm gonna
go with Ronald Jones. Now, Yates, we've talked about this

(25:44):
on the podcast before. I know you're a keishaw Von guy,
but I've stated continually that, you know, going into the
NFL Draft, people talked about the Bucks potentially getting a
running back, and people talked about Keishaan Von as a
running back, and Yates, I know you were high higher
on him than most, but I don't know anybody who
had him is like a surefire RB one on a
team where you would say, oh, he's gonna walk in,

(26:05):
he's gonna be the starter. I think a lot of
guys had him outside their top five running backs. So
when you see him follow the third round. Third rounders,
on average, they get like a run one hundred and
fifty one hundred and eighty touches per season in their
first year, and Bruce arians has not been extremely giving
to young running backs. So when you see the way
that Ronald Jones finished the year, when you know that
they've upgraded the offensive line, Tom Brady under center, Ronald

(26:27):
Jones has been working on his passing game, Chops. And
by the way, I think he was like fourth in
the league last year in terms of yards per run
among running backs. So Ronald Jones is a better receiver
than I think people think. So I'm a fan of
Ronald Jones, and I think it's knowing that this offense
is going to score points. I think it's very possible
that Ronald Jones, if he hangs on to this job,
he can finish as a top ten running back in

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twenty twenty. Davis, what are your thoughts there. I'll come
back and I'll kind of finish up the conversation with
because Keyshaw Bond is on my list. So because I
knew that, I knew that tax is gonna bring up
Ronald Jones. So, Davis, I want to get your thoughts
here on Ronald Jones and this kind of this Tampa
Bay Buccaneers running back situation. I am I am Jones
over Keyshaw Vaughn in this backfield. You know. Basically my

(27:08):
thinking on that is I sort of expect that Ronald
Jones is gonna be the you know, Ronald Jones is
gonna be the guy who if there is a stud
breakout in this backfield. You know, if there is a
guy who comes out and crushes in this backfield, it's
gonna be Ronald Jones. And if Vaughan wins the job,
it's likely to be a timeshare. You know, probably Dara

(27:30):
Ogomba Wally We'll be playing some snaps in that scenario.
Probably we are going to see, you know, Ronald Jones
get some of the goal line work and you know,
Keishaan Vaughn playing some of the third downs. Whereas if
Jones wins the job, I think he can get you know,
he can get targets on the early downs. We saw
last year in this Arian's offense. I believe that there
were over fifty early down running back targets, so first

(27:52):
or second down, that's, uh, you know, one of the
highest numbers in the league. So I am I am
definitely team Ronald Jones in terms of the X backfield.
I agree with Tags here. Yeah. Well, the point or
the benefit in this conversation is that both of them,
it's not like there's a huge disparity in ADP. Is
what I'm trying to say. That Ronald Jones and Keisha
Bond are both in the RB forties. I think late

(28:16):
RB thirties forties with running back ADPs. So you know,
it's not like Ronald Jones has priced all the way
up at RB twenty or fifteen or whatever and Keishaw
Vaughn is down at RB forty five. You know, there's
you're able to take your shot with either of these
guys and if it works out great, you know, then
you've potentially got a league winner, you know, an undervalued stud. Right,

(28:36):
That's why we're talking about him here. So I think
with Keishaw Vaughn and Ronald Jones, it is a bit
of projection on both sides. Where Ronald Jones, the last
time that we saw him from a pass blocking perspective, guys,
he didn't great out great in PFF's metrics, right, you know,
I don't have the exact ranking up in front of me,
but it wasn't great. And then as far as the receiver,
we've seen him steadily improved. Sure, but he coming into

(29:00):
the NFL that was not his strong suit by any means.
So you have to look at Ronald Jones and you
have to project a little bit forward and say that, Okay,
in the offseason he's taken step huge steps forward in
these two areas because with guys like Bruce Arians and
Tom Brady. Now we also have to factor in Tom
Brady into the conversation that pass blocking is incredibly important
and if he is not up to snuff with what

(29:22):
he can do as a pass blocker, then he's going
to be riding the bench. It's just what we saw
last season. Even so, then with Keishaw Vaughn, he was
someone who impressed me with pass catching and pass protection.
It's really where I'm kind of coming off of where
I'm basing my projection for Keishawn Von off of that,
I think he's going to get onto the field. So
all that to say, it's really a dart throw with

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either of these guys. But if one of them just
clear out when you know, flat out wins the job,
then they're going to be a huge, huge value for
fantasy football. Right now, it's just a question of which
one that is. Tags do you think the limited preseason
right now two games are you know, just completely wiped out.
We're lay down to two preseason games right now. The
NFLPA is saying that they don't want to play any

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you know, they just want to go right into the
regular season. Does this play a factor in potentially all
running rookie running backs. I think it plays a I
think it's against a lot of rookies. It's not even
just running backs, the quarterbacks. You know, we talked about
two a Tongue Baloa that he might not start the
season because Ryan Fitzpatrick obviously he doesn't know the offense
working with chan Gailey because he's been everywhere. But I

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think this is going to hurt a lot of rookies,
including running backs, especially ones that are taken in the
third round. There's no way for Keyshawn Vaun to show
that he deserves that role over Ronald Jones, who has
been playing in the Bruce Arians offense, you know, for
a full season now. He showed up at the end
of the year and again I know that Bruce Arians
didn't want to trust him. It was like almost like
going back and forth between those two, but he did again.
He did the same thing with David Johnson as a

(30:45):
rookie where he didn't want to trust David Johnson. Then
finally he just exploded. So it's possible that Ronald Jones
turns into that guy. I Keishaw Vaughn is a dart
throw as well. And again I'm not going to pretend
that Ronald Jones, I'm saying he's gonna hold onto the
job the entire year. But that's a valuable to have.
If you can get that job and get fifteen touches
per week in that Tampa Bay offense, it's it's worth
a lot of fantasy points. Absolutely, I agree. All right, well, Davis,

(31:08):
let's go to you and let's move through these a
little bit quicker. We still have quite a few names
to get through. So, Davis, who do you have your
third guy here? I have Hunter Henry as mine, Like
basically a guy who not that long ago we were
talking about, you know, ascending the tight end throne, turning
into the next Jimmy Graham, Rob Gronkowski style guy. And
you know, really really would not be particularly surprising to

(31:28):
me if he beats zach Ertz this year, you know,
finishes as the tight end for or something like that,
especially if Herbert is a little bit better than we
all think. You know, pretty much just a guy who's
really been stalled out by injuries. But you know, he's
getting drafted after Hayden Hurst, getting drafted after Tyler Higbee,
Evan Ingram, All these guys have massive question marks of
one degree or another. So I am with Hunter Henry

(31:51):
here tags what are your thoughts there on Hunter Henry,
I don't like this offense and I'm okay missing on them, Like,
I don't even know who the quarterback is going to
be right now. Again, it's probably going to be Tyrod
Taylor just because Herbert hasn't had a chance to even
play in a preseason game, we don't know if he's
going to be able to. So I'm guessing it's Tyrod.
And Tyrod's never thrown the ball more than four hundred
and thirty two times in a season. So if you
start breaking that down and you say, well, Mike Williams

(32:13):
is going to get some targets, and Keenan Allen's obviously
gonna get some targets, Austin Eckler needs to be focused.
So it's like you start going through this and saying,
Tyrod Taylor's not a guy that's gonna throw thirty touchdowns.
So it's almost just it's one of those offenses I'm
okay being wrong on if I'm wrong on, but I
just don't see the volume being there for the passing
game options, including someone like Keenan Allen, who is rightfully
a stud football player, like he's a stud route runner.

(32:36):
But I don't even have him in my top twenty
five right receivers this year because I am so concerned
about that offense overall. I'm completely with you as far
as you know kind of being I'm okay missing on
this offense, especially when you factory in one Hunter Henry's
ad right now, it's still kind of up there, and
there's are some other guys behind him that I do
like that I'd be willing. I don't think have as
many question marks. But if we're talking about just from

(32:57):
a pure talent perspective and what he can do when
he's on the field, I think Hunter Henry absolutely belongs
in the conversation. I think he's one of the more
talented tight ends in the NFL. So, Davis, is this
where you're talking about him and you're bringing him up
in the conversation of an undervalued stud? Are you projecting
him to be that tight end? Four? Are you saying
that it's in the realm of possibilities? I'm saying that,

(33:18):
you know, when we're looking at tight ends, with theoretical ceilings.
You know, for example, like I think the Chargers offense
is still probably going to be better than the Dolphins.
You know, I think there are enough questions about Ingram
and Higbee that like, Henry is a guy that when
he falls to me in the eighth, ninth round, you know,
when you're getting a discount from him, Like I just like,
he's just going to be a guy that I own

(33:39):
in a ton of these best ball drafts. Basically, yeah, no,
that makes sense. That makes sense. If he's fallen farther
than what you know you have to pay up for him,
then absolutely that makes sense. Pulling the trigger, all right,
I'm gonna go with Tyler Boyd. Here, guys, Tyler Boyd
is ADP wide receiver thirty three right now, which doesn't
make a whole lot of sense to me as we're
looking at what he's done over the past couple of
seasons in a very anemic offense, looking at you know,

(34:02):
he's put up incredible production. He's been extremely reliable for
fantasy football. He really emerged last season. And then you
factor in now that you have Joe Burrow throwing him
the ball, you have a very dynamic receiving core around him,
and I think that is potentially what is scaring a
lot of people off from taking Tyler Boyd in you know,
the wide receiver twenties. In the twenties there at the position,

(34:24):
you know where you're looking at aj Green coming back,
Tee Higgins now added into the fold John Ross. They
don't really have much competition at tight end position for targets,
so that's working in their favor. But Joe mixing out
the backfield giovannau Brenard. Of course, it's a stacked receiving corps.
But Tyler Boyd is one of the better wide receivers
in this league, and I think that he is going

(34:45):
to get his targets in this offense. I currently have
him at wide receiver twenty six, and I think that
a top twenty finish is not out of the realm
of possibilities. So if you're getting him at a discount
there wide receiver at thirty three, I think he's someone
you should be looking at in your draft. Davis, what
do you think there with Tyler Boyd? Is he someone
that you're targeting? So I am I am in on Boyd.

(35:05):
I think overall, just the idea of targeting the Cincinnati
Bengals if you believe that Joe Burrow kind of has,
you know, that ability to that tide that lifts all ships,
which which I think is certainly in the range of outcomes.
You know, I really like targeting AJ Green and Tyler Boyd.
So I am in on that one. I love in
these you know, I wish obviously we had the best

(35:26):
Ball championship, but in some of these best ball drafts,
I really like taking Boyd when I plan on taking
Burrow as my second quarterback. Surett Tags, where are you
at with Boyd? I was gonna say, I think we
can all agree. It's like we talk about, you know,
can AJ Green stay healthy? And if he doesn't, then
we have Boyd is going to establish himself as a
top fifteen receiver. Then we have Tee Higgins that people
are thinking is going to overtake John Ross, and Joe
Mixon's gonna take a big step forward. All these things,

(35:48):
like I'll add up to Joe Burrow having a massive season,
Like that's basically what it comes down to. So I
was actually going to bring up AJ Green today because again,
he's a guy that over the course of his career
has just been consistent stud and he's done that with
let's just say, lackluster quarterback play. He's done it with
a quarterback that basically he doesn't have a starting job anymore.
So it just goes to show with the league thinks

(36:09):
of Andy Dalton and the throws he was making, whereas
someone like a J. Green and Tyler Boyd may have
made him look a little bit better. And that's the
same thing, you know, going with John Ross, a guy
that was wide open down the field countless times, and
Dalton just missed him. So I'm excited about this entire
Bengals offense. I think that you're going to find there
might be two weekly fantasy relevant fantasy wide receivers in

(36:30):
this team every single week. I agree. I agree. All right, Well,
who are we up to now? Tags right? Uh yeah,
all right, So I will bring up DJ Shark Shark
Flash last year man, and I know that he came
onto the scene and didn't really like nobody expected it,
and it was like week one happened. You're like, okay,
let's see it some more. And we saw it some more,
and we saw it some more, and then there's a

(36:50):
touchdown that he had against Chris Harris Junior that was
called back due to a penalty that was kind of crappy,
and it was like, Okay, this guy can score on
Chris Harris Junior, a guy that was playing lights out
at the beginning of the year, like legit shutting down everyone.
Nothing has changed for me outside the fact that this
defense has gotten a hell of a lot worse. Gardner
Minshew is entrenched as a starter, and obviously we know
Gardner Minshew was supporting. DJ Chark is a fantasy relevant

(37:11):
wide receiver. In his time taking over, they added Leavisca Chennault,
but Channald had core surgery this offseason. He's a rookie
who's not gonna have time in free season. Chris Conley
is not someone I'm really worried about. Dy Westbrook's playing
the same role Leonard Fournette. Well, Leonard Fournette, he's there.
DJ Chark is a guy that can finishes a wide
receiver one. I'm not going to bank on it, because again,
I don't think this offense is good enough to support

(37:34):
a wide receiver one. But DJ Chark is a He's
kind of a hidden gem in the wide receiver three.
Range like him and DK Metcalf are the two guys.
Metcalf has the higher ceiling because of whose quarterback is.
But Chart could see a one hundred and thirty hundred
and forty targets and finish. You know, he's a top
fifteen wide receiver easy. I agree. I think that, you know,
if we're looking for a player who can emerge, I mean,

(37:54):
he's done it and he's shown incredible chemistry with Gardner Minshew. So, Davis,
what are your thoughts here with with DJ Chark? Yeah,
I mean I actually disagree with tags that he can't
have a wide receiver one season because I think that
there's like a chance that DJ Shark legitimately scores like
fifty percent of the Jaguars passing touchdowns. He is he

(38:16):
is so much more dominant in that area of the
field than everyone else. I guess, actually sneakily, the addition
of Tyler Eifert might impact his red zone targets. But
I mean, I I basically think that DJ Shark is
as good as DJ Moore, you know, is good, Like
I think he is in that same realm of guy
that we should project to be the next wave of

(38:37):
great wide receivers in the NFL tags looking at DJ
Chark in this range of kind of ADP, like, who
are some of the guys that you'd be willing to
pull the trigger over? Right, Like if we're talking about okay,
let's back up your claim here and just kind of
put it to the test. So DJ Chark is on
the board, but you've also got these other two guys
that are ahead of him, kind of an ECR ADP.
Who would you be willing to take him over? Yeah,

(38:57):
I would take him over Keenan Allen hundred percent. I'd
take him over Stefon Diggs. I'd take him over Courtland Sutton.
Those are guys in that range that I believe that
he should be taken over. Cool, all right, Davis, who
do you have here for your fourth guy? My next
guy is it's not a it's not a straight up stud,
but it's Tony Pollard in the sense of he is

(39:18):
the best zero running back target in fantasy football. If
Ezekiel Elliott gets injured, you know, okay, let's all this
thought experiment right now. Ezekiel Elliott gets suspended for sixteen games,
and we know that Tony Pollard, you know, just so
Ezekiel Elliott cannot play in twenty twenty, where does he
go in drafts? Tags? I mean he can't play that

(39:38):
he's gonna go as a first round pick. Yeah, he
would go on that Nixon range probably, yeah, exactly so.
And and but with even more pass catching upside than
Nixon probably so uh yeah. I mean I think that
that pretty much just tells the story right there. Like
he is, he is the best zero running back target
in football. He has no competition in their backfield behind Zeke.
There their other running backs are Jordan Chun and Rico Dowdle,

(40:01):
both of whom are are undrafted free agents, and I
don't even know if those guys will make the team.
They'll probably have Jimnez although Wallet as their fullback slash
third running I think it's possible that Pollard might have
some value even without a ze injury. And I'm saying
that because, like if you go back to Mike McCarthy
and I know that they didn't change coordinators, so this
could be all or not. But Pollard had he actually

(40:22):
had some explosive plays last year, didn't score as much
as he probably should have on the plays that he
did have, and not because of him. He actually played
really well, but back in Mike McCarthy, even when Adye
Lacey was there, he was using James Starks and stuff
like that. And it's not to say Ezekiel Elliot's Eddie Lacey.
I mean, maybe he's heading down that path after seeing
him through this quarantine. But I do believe that Mike
McCarthy wants to take some loadoff Zeke because even Zeke

(40:44):
by his own account, was not as efficient as he
typically was last year. So I think it would benefit
the team to actually involve Tony Pollard a little bit more. Yeah,
I've talked about it previously here where this year, more
than ever, in the middle rounds, I am more willing
to take shots on lee winners that you know, these
guys that are in the conversation of they have standalone

(41:05):
potential value. They might just be on the edge, right,
but if the starter goes down in front of them,
their league winners, especially when you factor in uncertainties with
you know, potential injuries this season, with no you know,
extended preseason too, then you know what happens if a
player contracts COVID nineteen and they have to go into
quarantine So guys that fall into this conversation are Alexander Madison,

(41:27):
Kareem Hunt, JK Dobbins, and Tony Pollard. Like, those are
the four guys off the top of my head that
I can look at and say that if the starter
had them goes down, their role is going to drastically change.
And like you mentioned Davis, what happened? What where would
we be drafting Tony Pollard if Zeke wasn't in the equation, Well, yeah,
he'd be in the first round, you know, early second

(41:47):
round conversation completely same with JK. Dobbins, same with Kareem Hunt.
So these guys instead of pulling the trigger on a
James White, who if Sony Michelle goes down, James White
isn't going to get two hundred plus carries, know that
he wasn't going to get previously. His role is going
to stay the same. Now he can be a safe option,
but he's not going to be a league winner. So
Tony Pollard absolutely falls into that conversation of a guy

(42:09):
that I would be willing to take, and his ADP
is way down there where you know you're taking Kareem
Hunt in the seventh JK Dobbins in the eighth. Tony
Pollard's in the eleventh or twelfth round, guys. So he's
absolutely someone who I like. And I'm glad you brought
him up, Davis, as we as like literally as we
were discussing him. I went on the clock in the
eleventh round in the Scott Fish Bull and I took
Tony Pollard. There you go, there you go. I was

(42:29):
debating him or Matt Brida, and I was like, you
guys are right. I mean, what's really the upside with Brida?
I mean, even when he gets the workhorse really can
stay healthy? Uncle Pollard? Also, how the heck are some
leagues drafts in like the eighteenth round, like they're someone
I saw was in the eighteenth round. Yours is in
the eleventh. Minds in like the seventh. I don't get it.
There's something like the fourth dude, I know, I know,
all right, Well, I'm gonna mention JK. Dobbins just on

(42:51):
the back of what I brought up as my fourth
guy here, JK. Dobbins. If mark Ingram goes down, he
is absolutely in the conversation to finishes the number one
overall running back. Based on this offense, just alone, we
saw what mark Ingram can do. I think JK. Dobbins
is more talented than mark Ingram. He's someone who I
absolutely loved coming out in this draft class. So if

(43:12):
Dobbins gets the majority of the work there, now, we
would see Justice Hill, you know, his workload increase. Of course,
we would see Gus Edwards, you know, his workload increase,
but not to the point where I think it's going
to be the split right now with Ingram and Dobbins.
So if something happens to Ingram, man we are talking
about Dobbins being a absolute league winner. Davis, what do
you think about that? We didn't get to hear your

(43:32):
thoughts there, I ranted just a few minutes ago, But
where are your thoughts on Dobbins and that concept of
you know, taking these guys that are league winners. I
just took him at seven o four in the Scott
Fish Ball as my first running back. Now I'm not
I'm not really sunting back. I think I think Dobbins
they so he's kind of got this weird upside where

(43:54):
his absolute ceiling is gonna be let's say, twenty five catches,
and that even might be pushing it. A little bit,
but he could also score fifteen touchdowns even splitting the
backfield with mark Ingram, because this offense is going to
run so much, and you know they have all that
cool pistol and read option stuff that they can do
near the goal line. And you know, if Lamar Jackson

(44:15):
scores three rushing touchdowns this year, that means, you know,
one of Dobbins or Ingram is going to be having
an amazing rushing season. So I completely agree with you
that Dobbins does have league winning upside. He's not a
guy I view as like, I'm not going into drafts
being like, Okay, I'm gonna take Dobbins as my first
or second running back, but oftentimes, like I prefer him

(44:36):
to DeAndre Swift, and a lot of times Swift goes
ahead of him. M yeah, that makes sense. Tags. What
are your thoughts around Dobbins really quick? I am a
little against you on this one, Yates, And it's it's
because like even if even if mark Ingram got hurt,
or even if they chose to go Dobbins over Ingram,
this is gonna be a time shared backfield. Even with
Ingram how well he was playing last year, they still
gave Gus Edwards one hundred and thirty three carries. Justice

(44:58):
Hill's still on the roster. They don't throw the ball
a whole lot, as Davis was talking about, and like
that's obviously where when you look for a breakout running backs,
So you're gonna need them to get those those fifty
plus targets. And this is I attack running backs and
high scoring situations, and this is obviously one of them.
But the real problem here is that there's going to
be some touchdown regression for these running backs this year

(45:18):
because Lamar Jackson, based on what he did last year,
he shouldn't have scored the five rushing touchdowns he did.
He should have had twelve. And do I think that
that can come back. I think it's possible that Lamar
Jackson scores fourteen rushing touchdowns and I'm not exaggerating by
any means, Like I'm really not so totally. And if
that happens, then you're going to start losing some of
those touchdowns to the running backs. Dobbins, I think he's
an interesting guy to take a shot on Layton drafts

(45:40):
because I think there's a possibility he does overtake mark
Ingram Ingram's thirty one years old. Now, they felt like
Dobbins was a first round talent. That's what they said,
and that's why they said it would they would have
been doing themselves a disservice if they passed on him
in the second round, which tells you they're extremely high
on him and running backs you want to use them
throughout their rookie deals. So I don't mind this one
at all. I do not think he has top five

(46:02):
upside though. Sure, okay, let's go two more each, guys,
So tags your up here, let's pick out your best
two here, let's go obviously we'll go once around for each,
but let's hear your next guy, all right. So I
brought this up with a chat with Yides earlier. So
I was debating between T. J. Hockinson and John H. Smith,
and I really happen to think that Hockinson had there's

(46:23):
something here. And I say this because that expected fantasy
points that piece that I did. The only positions that
were extremely reliant upon volume were tight end and running back.
Wide receiver was all over the place where it doesn't
necessarily Opportunity doesn't always equal fantasy points for wide receivers.
For tight ends and running backs. It really, really really does.
And Hockinson he missed the last quarter of the season,

(46:47):
but before that he was a guy that was like
a tenth among tight ends and actual opportunity, which means
he should have finished the top twelve tight end. He
was extremely inefficient last year, and I think people have
kind of lost track of the fact that tight ends
typically take a year or two to even get into
any sort of rhythm. Evan Ingram is the only ever
since I started like tracking fantasy in my stats, Evan

(47:08):
Ingram well after Rob Gronkowski, that is, but basically since
like two thousand and eight, I think that the only
rookie tight end to finish top twelve was Evan Ingram,
and that was because there were so many injuries in
the team. He saw tons of targets. Hockinson's walking into
an offense. They don't really have a whole lot of white.
They have Galladay, they have Marvin Jones, and then it's like, okay,
Danny A. Mendola. Really there's really not any depth behind
those guys either. I like quintet c Fast, but he's

(47:29):
a rookie, so I like t J. Hockinson, An awful lot.
And I think that if you're waiting, if you're going
with the late tight end approach, I'm gonna throw my
guy Hayden Hurston here. I would have talked about him had,
you know, had I not talked about him on like
every podcast that we have, But Hayden Hurst, TJ. Hockinson,
if I'm waiting at tight end, those are the guys
I'm going with. Hayden Hurst is my one A, and
then if there's a one B, I think I'm gonna

(47:51):
go at t J. Hockinson, Davis. What are your thoughts
there with Hawkinson? Obviously, like last year, he did not
do much. Obviously he had his first I think the
first girst game of his career was ridiculous. Then he
sucked right he where a lot of his production came from,
and then just kind of fell off a cliff. Thirty
two receptions last year on fifty nine targets, three hundred
and sixty seven yards and only two touchdowns. What are

(48:13):
your thoughts here on Hawkinson for this season? Yeah? You know,
I think that Hawkinson, Gizicky and Fan are kind of
all that trio of young guys with upside who could
see themselves having an outsized role relative to what most
tight ends at their age end of doing. Because they
all produced at a young age, they all have plus athleticism.

(48:34):
So you know, I am drafting loads of TJ. Hawkinson
this year. Nice, awesome. Yeah, I think Hawkinson is around
like tighten fifteen ten fourteen for me. So he's like
in this range with a bunch of other guys like
just we've talked about it tags like just throw all
these guys into a blender and whichever one comes out.
I have no idea, you know, I have no idea
which one is it going to be. So you're kind

(48:54):
of just taking a dart throw. And I think with
his ADP you if you're going to really just throw
the dart late in drafts, you know, Hockinson's a fine
option because he's got the athleticism, he's got the talent.
I'm not disputing that the lines are gonna be terrible
on defense as always, And they just traded away Darius
Slay whenever slays out of the lineup. That's a team
that you legitimately have targeted like relentlessly in dfs. Yeah,

(49:15):
and I mean I really like Akuda, who they brought
in early in the draft obviously, you know, I really
really like him, But as far as him making an
immediate impact to the point of what Darius Slay was
doing from a coverage standpoint, I don't think so. You know,
Desmond Truefont, obviously he was cut from the Falcons for
a reason. So I think the Lions defense is kind
of they just kind of shuffled the chairs around the deck,

(49:35):
if that makes sense. I don't think that they really
improved much. So yeah, they could be a team that
is throwing the ballaton if Matthew Stafford can stay healthy again.
Stafford was great last year until up until his injuries,
so he can definitely support multiple options. So I get it,
all right, Davis, who do you have here for your
fifth guy? My fifth guy is going to be I
think a super overloath food, which is Michael Gallop wide

(49:58):
receiver thirty one. You know this range we love. But
I Michael Gallop to me, I have him over A J.
Green and Tyler Boyd. I have him over Digs. I
have him over you know Keenan Allen, who we just
talked about, you know, kind of agreeing with tags is
supposition that maybe the volume is not going to be
as great there in Los Angeles, and the reason for

(50:18):
it is he actually had a very similar amount of
targets to Amari Cooper last year, while you know, not
playing in every single game, he missed a couple of
games with injury, he was really efficient and I basically
expect Dallas to again be you know, the best offensive football.
Last year, they gained the most yards per play in
the NFL. I expect that they will probably do that

(50:38):
again this year, you know, replacing Tavon Austin, Randall Cobb,
and Jason Witten targets with Ceedee Lamb and Blake Jarwin targets.
And so the stat by the way, is more targets
per game than Amari Cooper. Cooper had six more, but
Gallop played in fewer games. So Gallup is to me,
he's kind of a guy where I like, I'm probably

(50:59):
taking him, and really almost every draft that I do
tags obviously, you know, we like Gallop and I think
he was someone who was just like skyrocketing up, you know,
ECR moving into the NFL draft, and then the Cowboys
obviously go out and draft Ceedee Lamb, who a lot
of people had as their wide receiver one on their
personal draft boards. So you know, added to this offense,

(51:21):
does that scare you off of Gallop this season? Where
are you at right now? I really thought I was
going to be scared off Gallup, you know, right after
the draft, I kind of went and redid rankings and
things like that, and I dropped him out of the
top forty wide receivers, and I was like, it feels
bad because obviously he's proven he could finish the top
twenty four player. I liked him coming out of college.
I really did. He was someone that I loved as
a Day two target. Well, I went and did projections

(51:44):
and realized it's not as bad as I thought for
Gallop because Randall Cobb did receive plenty of targets. And
it's like, even if you were to say, hey, we're
gonna give Ceede Lamb the exact same amount of targets
that we gave Randall Cobb, that's plenty for a rookie
wide receiver. It's really plenty. And I wouldn't be shocked
if Ceedee Lamb, you know, a harder time transitioning because
Ceedee Lamb is coming from some terrible college competition. That's

(52:04):
why it's like Jerry Judy was my number one wide receiver.
Michael Gallup has proven he can get it done in
the league, and he's like the field stretcher and this
team a guy that can you know, his high yards
per reception. Dak's not afraid to take the shot down
the field. They have weapons everywhere, so it's almost like
you can't tilt coverage his way. I like Gallop a lot,
and when I did projections, he came in much better,
and I'm like, Okay, he's a wide receiver. Three. Do

(52:24):
I think that he has wide receiver one upside? I
don't know. I mean, if a Mari's healthy and Lamb
would have to get hurt, yeah, to happen, I think
for sure. But he's still a good player. And I
think that people myself included, well, we're exaggerated that his
demise when they drafted Ceedee Lamb. That is crazy that
you brought that up. David says something that I hadn't realized.
Amari Cooper had one hundred and nineteen targets last year

(52:46):
in sixteen games. Gallup had one hundred and thirteen and
only fourteen games. If they had both played sixteen Gallup
would have out targeted MARII it should be noted that
A Mari was playing hurt through the second half of
the season, so I think they cut back a little
bit in his targets. But at the same time, Amar's
never been a guy that has seen one hundred and
forty two. If A Mari were to get one hundred
and forty hundred fifty targets, people would talk about him

(53:07):
as one of the best players in the league. I'm
confident in that. Yeah, and that's crazy. Marie still finishes
the wide receiver nine last year on that target total. Okay,
I'm gonna bring up Michael Pittman junior guys ADP wide
receiver sixty two and ECR wide receiver sixty three. So, guys,
if there's someone who we want to look at, and
we can look at the rookie wide receivers and we
say who could be the AJ Brown of this year,

(53:29):
I think it's Michael Pittman JUNR. Where A J. Brown
wasn't being drafted last year, neither was Terry McLaurin, at
least within the top fifteen rounds. I was looking at
this earlier today for an article I'm writing and so
A J. Brown finishes the wide receiver fifteen. He came
out of nowhere and just shocked us all. Obviously, once
Tannehill took over, he was incredible. So I think if
we're looking for a guy who can be that super

(53:52):
late option, you've taken him in the twelve thirteenth round
in your redraft leagues, and you want a guy who
can finish in the twenties, I think it's very, very
reasonable that we could be talking at this time next
year and looking back and saying, why why didn't we
draft Michael Pittman Junior a lot higher than what we did? Davis,
what are your thoughts here with Michael Pittman Junior? Are

(54:13):
you more on my side? Are you more in line
with ECR? Where are you at? So? I think, my
there there are a couple of primary concerns I have
here with Pittman. So the first is Philip Rivers to me,
looks like a guy who just is not good anymore,
and it's going to be hard for him to support
Jonathan Taylor and the tight ends and t Y Hilton
and Michael Pittman, and you know, maybe Paris Campbell plays

(54:36):
more this year. So I think those are pretty legitimate concerns.
And then also Paris Campbell. They spent you know, they
spent a high pick on him. He was injured last year,
but really wouldn't surprise me if they try and make
a concerted effort to get Paris Campbell on the field
and to target him to figure out what they have
and him. So so Pittman, you know, might be fourth

(54:57):
or fifth in line for targets for them. Totally see
your path. He's just not a guy that I am
like jamming into my lineups. Sure, tags, where are you at?
I like him as a bit Now I'm not going
to rank him extremely high, but he's one of those
guys that I would probably draft over some guys that
I have in front of him that might project a
little bit better. And the reason I say that is
because Pittman can be the Vincent Jackson for Philip Rivers,

(55:21):
the Mike Williams type receiver, and we know that those
targets are valuable. Philip Rivers, is he done? I mean,
I guess that remains to be seen. But at the
same time, targets have to go somewhere in this offense.
And the reason I like drafting Pittman with one of
your final picks is because you're gonna find out in
week one, Like you don't have to wait and find
out if if Pittman's the guy, because people cut A. J.
Brown last year because he wasn't playing, and rightfully so

(55:42):
there was no way to understand what he was going
to do as the year went on. But Michael Pittman,
you're gonna find out week one if he is that
ex receiver that they're talking about, because if he's on
the field in two wide receiver sets, he should absolutely
be considered as a top fifty fantasy wide receiver moving forward,
and with upside for more, he has upside to lead
that team in touchdowns. Yeah, completely, that's really the argument.

(56:03):
And then basing that also off the fact that t
Y Hilton hasn't played a full season since twenty seventeen
thirty one, and yeah, you know at his at his
age two, it's a real concern. So if Hilton misses time,
then you're talking about even more targets going Pittman's way.
So I think that he is in line for a
huge opportunity. I really do not understand why he's all
the way down in the sixties in ADP and ECR.

(56:24):
I've got him up in my I've got him at
wide receiver twenty eight guys. So I think that, and
I think that he has a path for to finish
even higher than that. So all right, let's go one
more time around and let's kind of make these let's
just do a lightning round with these guys. Um Tags,
Who do you got up first? James Connor, if he
stays healthy, he's going to be an RB one. That's
It's it's pretty cut and dry. I understand injuries are

(56:45):
all right, you have to factor those in and that's
why he's falling in drafts, but he should go ahead
of guys like David Johnson, Melvin Gordon. Yeah, it's all
health based, but I totally get the argument. All right, Davis,
who do you have? Just want to say, I totally
agree with Tags. And then Daniel Jones is going to
be my guy. He's like going to be classic bad, bad,
actual real life NFL quarterback. But he runs, he hucks
the ball deep, you know, he makes it happen. The

(57:06):
most talented wide receiver cords in football, I mean, it's
one of the deepest I think as far as you're
looking at sae Quon, Golden Tate, Sterling Shepherd, Darius Slayer,
Evan Ingram, you know, like that's a very very talent
still on the roster, buddy, Do you really want to
bring up Corey Coleman and what I mean? I'm just kidding. Yeah, Okay,
thank you? Um No, I think you know. I think

(57:27):
he's got the opportunity absolutely to be to be a
value this year. Tags mentioned him, but I'm going to
bring him up to drive that point home. It's hayden
Hurst for me. I think hayden Hurst is tight end
twelve in ECR, tight in thirteen and ADP guys, he's
going to finish well above that. And I think that
he is a player that we should be targeting everywhere.
Because his ADP is still super low. You're getting him

(57:50):
super late. So I would personally right now, I would
rather wait on tight end rather than taking Mark Andrews
in the third or fourth round. Zach Ertz in that
range too, I personally much much rather wait and grab
someone like hayden Hurst in the later rounds. I think
that that's a smarter way to just go about that
tight end position, all right, Tags, any closing remarks here

(58:10):
before we get out of here. No, this is a
fun show. I mean, we got to talk about some
players that we haven't talked about a little bit, and
we're gonna be working our way through you know, everybody.
We want to touch on as many topics as we
can leading up to this potentially preseasonless NFL season. But
either way, we're excited and thank you guys for tuning in.
That's gonna wrap up the episode today. Davis, thanks for
joining us today. Man, we really appreciate it, beautiful. Thanks
for having me on fellas yeah again. You can find

(58:32):
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