20 High-Upside RBs & WRs w/ Andy Behrens (Ep. 512)

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Everyone, Welcome into the Finnish Prows Football Podcast. I'm your host,
Bobby Sylvester, joined as always by Mike Taglier. You can
follow us on Twitter at Bobby Fantasy Pro and at
Mike Taglier NFL Text. What's going on, Buddy, Just another day,
Ready to talk some football. Got one of my favorite
guests on the show today, so I'm looking forward to it. Man.
It's Andy Barns of Yahoo Sports. If you haven't already
signed up for your fantasy football league at Yahoo, they

(00:38):
do a great job over there. Andy's on Twitter at
his name. I'm sure you already follow him at his name,
Andy barrens Andy, thanks for coming to the show. How
are you doing, Hey, thanks for having me. I'm in
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say follow me a regression candidate, but I'm here to
prove the haters wrong. I love it. Here's what we're
gonna be talking about. Guys, it's gonna be a fun show.
We've got twenty high upside running backs and wide receivers.

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It's gonna be all Tags and Andy sharing their favorite
upside players. Um, it's gonna be fun. I love this topic. Yeah, No,
it's it's a different topic trying to find guys, like,
we have some guidelines that we're gonna follow as we
go throughout the show, and it's just you know, we
obviously don't want to talk about the same players over
and over as the offseason goes on. But this, this
show is going to be a little bit different just
the way it's it's structured, and I'm sure Bobby is

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going to help guide you guys through that. I'll just say,
I may I may have blown off the structure a little.
That's perfectly fine. I mean, you're the guest. You can
do whatever you want, all right. Tags We'll get to
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So guys, let's dive into the show. Okay, we've got
the high upside running backs first in tags. What are
the guidelines here? All right? The guidelines will that we're

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supposed to follow, but andy follow them. We have two
running backs outside the top ten who are going to
who have definitely have top five potential, two running backs
outside the top twenty five who can finish top fifteen,
and then one deep sleeper who can essentially be a
lottery ticket in your fantasy leagues. And since I'm so kind,
I'm gonna go ahead and pass it over to Anti

(03:07):
to be the first one to talk about a player,
because I put down a few names just in case
he's stole one of mine. You know, I may have
accidentally followed the rules here as as as you say
them again, so that might not be a concern. I
didn't take anybody inside the top like fifteen or maybe
even twenty in terms of ADP. I did go a

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little bit deeper than that. I'm going to start with
DeAndre Swift. I don't get the gap between his ADP
just just looking at Yahoo Leagues at NFC, I don't
get the gap at all between his ADP and Edwards
Hilaire and Jonathan Taylor. Swift is DeAndre Swift is a
great player. Detroit had a desperate, glaring need at running back.

(03:51):
In my opinion, we have carry On coming off not
only a relatively poor season in efficient season, but his
second year in a row in which he suffered a
significant knee injury. That's a concern. DeAndre Swift was just
obviously it goes out saying great college player, arguably the
most interesting player in his draft class at his position.

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I just again, I think like he's going like sixteen
picks later than Taylor, which I just think is nuts.
I think he has a clear role waiting for him.
Not say that it's going to be eight percent of
the backfield touches in Detroit. I don't think that's going
to be the case at all, But can it be
sixty Can it be sixty five with him just locking
down the primary receiving role out of that backfield. Yeah,

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I think that's totally in plays a wonderful receiver at Georgia.
He actually had of all the of all the rookies
in in this last draft class. I was just saying
the other day on the Yahoo podcast that DeAndre Swift's
game against Alabama a couple of years ago in the
SEC title game was was just one of my favorites
to watch, like just prepping like film on the entire

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draft class. There wasn't a game that I enjoyed anymore
than him just absolutely clown in Alabama a couple a
couple of years ago, so I think I think the
world of him. I can't believe he's going outside the
top like twenty twenty one running backs tags. He was
my favorite draft prospect. But the thing is, all these
Rourkie running backs, I mean, Dobbins ended up in Baltimore,
Clyde Edwards Hilaire ended up in Kansas City, and obviously

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Jonathan Taylor ended up in Indianapolis. Those are some of
the best offensive lines in football and some of the
best offenses in football. But Swift is going to start
right away. We know that for sure. I don't know
if we can say the same thing about Jonathan Taylor,
and I don't even know if we can say the
same thing about Clyde Edward Hilaire. Now, obviously they have
a lot more upside, But what do you think about this?
Would you draft DeAndre Swift where he's going right now?

(05:37):
I can't say that Swift has a job for sure either.
I mean Kerrie on Johnson when he's been on the field,
he's been pretty good. And I think the reason that
the Lions felt a need to draft Swift is because
Kerrie on Johnson hasn't been able to stay healthy and
it could just worked out better as a timeshare situation.
And that's my issue with Swift right now is that
him and Kerrie on Johnson are very similar running backs
to me. And I say that not exact same, but

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I'm saying that they're both down running backs. That I
don't want to say that either of them excel at anything,
but they're they're really good at kind of everything. So
I'm really curious to see how this works out. DeAndre
Swift had an interview the other day. He said that
he doesn't know what his role is yet with the team,
and that he's going to be battling carry On Johnson
for the snaps in the backfield, and that he you know,
he's preparing for a battle, which should be expected. I

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do expect Swift to win that because they obviously just
spent a high second round pick on him. He's a
true three down back. But you have to wonder about
the touches he gets compared to someone like Jonathan Taylor,
who is clearly, clearly more talented than Marlon Mack. And
then you get to Clyde Edwards Hilaire. There is absolutely
nothing that Damian Williams does better than Clyde ends Hillair, nothing,
nothing at all. But I am with Andy in the
fact that I think DeAndre Swift is going too late.

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I would take him over someone like Devin Singletary, who's
going much earlier than him, because Singletary that's the guy
who's in a timeshare. And Zack Moss, as far as
I'm concerned, might be better than Devin Singletary. I don't
think it's gonna start that way, but he's gonna get
the more valuable touches. Whereas Swift, I'm anticipating him to
be maybe on the better side of a sixty forty split,
which is fine. Again, that's gonna have like a low

(07:01):
end RB two type appeal. And if he for whatever
reason does pull away from Karrie on Johnson or carry
on Johnson misses more time. Yes, DeAndre Swift has a
chance to finish the top twelve running back interesting top
twelve in that offense. Okay, he's being drafted right around
guys like Cam Akers, Darius Guys, Keyshan Vaughn, Darius guys.
That that blows my mind. I'm taking Swift over all them,
and not even close. He should go a mile ahead

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of those guys, like I get. I get the optimism
for cam Akers, and cam Akers would be a fine
candidate for this segment, but I think there's a much
clearer role for DeAndre Agree. All right, tags, it's your turn,
and I am one thousand percent certain you're going with
Kenyan Drake here. Well, yeah, I mean Kenyan Drake is no,
he's not outside the top ten. He was actually all right, Okay, Well,

(07:44):
it kind of varies depending on what's scoring format, so
I didn't put Drake there. Otherwise Drake would definitely be there.
But instead, I'm gonna go with Miles Sanders, somebody that
I've talked about that is moving up my draft board
as we get further and further throughout the offseason, because
again the Eagles have not signed a draft pick. Andy
we've talked about as centers on this show before, so
I want to get your opinion on him on this
Eagles backfield because Doug Peterson, he really hasn't like stuck

(08:07):
with one running back. But knowing the roster as it
sits right now, we're not going to pretend that Boston
Scott is going to start sealing goal line work from
someone like Miles Sanders. Sanders is obviously used in the
passing game. How do you feel about Miles Sanders heading
into twenty twenty. Um, I think he's a pretty clear
top ten running back probably, like you know, like if
somebody wants to take him at the back end of
the first round, I totally get it. Um, he dodged

(08:29):
the Carlos Hide bullet, he dodged the DeVante Freeman bullet
to this point, not that that's particularly potent bullet anyway, Um,
but those were but those were the worries, right that
they would add some veteran back that could just muck
it up. And I don't. I don't think Boston Scott
is much more than an understudy, maybe a slight rotational role,
but I don't think he's somebody who's going to play
any kind of Jordan Howard role, right, Like this is
all it is all Sanders, And he's a super talented player,

(08:52):
a versatile player. And you're you're right that they haven't
rolled with like one just sort of foundational back, but
there's there's no one to compete right now. I think
that I think Miles Sanders in Josh Jacobs for me,
is a real debate. I love Jacobs, he would have
been a candidate for this segment as well, but I
think he's pretty clearly at this point a top ten

(09:13):
back for me. So I've really come around on my
opinion on Miles Sanders. And this is gonna sound for ridiculous,
but the guy who changed my mind is do you
guys know Drake Jordan right, three times high stake Champion.
He's a parody account about fantasy football, and he was
making fun of the people who don't believe in Miles
Sanders because of Doug peterson Ye's and backfield splits, and

(09:33):
he was basically saying, well, yeah, what did you expect
when he had these three turns at running back and
all of a sudden, he's got Miles Sanders and he's
gonna use Miles Sanders. He already showed us last year
in the last couple of weeks, so hold on. It's like, oh,
I'm gonna stop there hunting. So there is some shade
and why Miles Sanders is not going as like a
top six running back because if he did have that,
so one people say, oh, Dug Peterson's ever had a

(09:54):
running back like Miles Sanders. That's a bunch of crap.
He did actually last year and he gave Jordan Howard
carries in front of we'll just start the season, but rookies,
that happens every single year with no It was at
the beginning of the season. The only reason that milesander
started getting those carriess because Jordan Howard was dead. He
was not active, so if he's not playing, he can't
give him carries. Darren Sproles got hurt that year. Last year,

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so it was like there were no receivers on the team.
So that's where you saw Miles Sanders get a lot
of his his work in the passing game because there
were no receivers in the team. They were thrown to
Greg Ward who was off the street. I take offense
to this because Ryan Matthews was a damn good football player.
He was, but he wasn't Miles Sanders. Man. I think
he was just as good as Miles Sanders Laically. He
was more athletic than Sanders, but not the same football player.

(10:36):
I like them both. Ryan Matthews had trouble staying healthy
and fumble problem, so that was a problem. But what
I'm saying is that Doug Peterson did have Miles Sanders already,
but like, if you have Darren Sproles, you're gonna use
Darren Sproles on third downs. But again, the reason I
brought up Miles Sanders, don't forget that I'm the one
who brought him up on this on the segment. What
I'm saying, the reason I like him now is because

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there is nobody else in the roster that could potentially
steal those carries. Because if they did sign Carlos Hide,
I wouldn't be drafting Miles Sanders is a top fifteen
running back. I really wouldn't even if it is Carlos Hide,
because he's better than Hide. But that man, it's just
but I'm saying, if they don't sign anybody else right now,
I will draft Miles Sanders is a top ten running back.
I think it's baked into the cost with the Doug
Peterson effect. Right Otherwise, if if we had this quality

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of a running back, in this quality of an offense
behind maybe the best offensive line in football, we'd draft
him in the top five. We draft him ahead of
Derek Henry, no doubt, But right now his ADPs number twelve,
would you draft him tags ahead of Nick Chubb, Kenyan Drake,
Josh Jacobs, Aaron Jones, Josh Jacobs one hundred percent, Josh
Jega's bad offense, not using the passing game. I don't
think any of that changes. I would not draft him

(11:40):
a head a Drake. I would. I'm getting to the
point where I might take him over Aaron Jones. It's
so close. Maybe Nick Chubb, just depending on what I
want out of my player. Nick Chub's probably a safer
bet for low end RB one production, but he lacks
the upside because of Kareem Hunt there. But yeah, Miles
Sanders to me again, if they don't sign anybody, I
have zero issue with someone taking Miles Sanders at the
top for the second round in that third tier of

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running backs. I think I would go Drake and then
Sanders and then Chubb Andy. Which order do you have
these guys in? I think Jacobs is great. Like I
get the concern about the offense being pretty boring. They
added a bunch of They added a bunch of pieces,
none of them particularly spicy. In my opinion, I think
Jacobs is still the foundation of the offense. He doesn't

(12:24):
he doesn't need to gain that many targets, right, Like,
if Josh Jacob's as good as he was last year,
can just stay healthy because it was really it was
that shoulder toward the end of the year that really
compromised him. If he just stays healthy, I mean, anybody
who's looked at the he's one of those guys where
like the eye test and the advanced analytics agree he
was pretty great, really really good player. If he can

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just get to like, I don't know, give me forty
five receptions, give me forty forty five receptions, so I'd
no longer have to worry about you and hal PPR
PPR formats. That's all it takes. So for me, he's
still a little bit ahead of Sanders and that, like,
but you know, in my view, it's it's like Jacob,
Sanders and Drake in a line like Chubb to me
is a is a different sort of discussion, and he's

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almost format dependent because I I entirely buy the fact
that you know, Kareem Hunt is there and as long
as Kareem Hunt is healthy, we probably don't see Nick
Chubb get to get to forty or forty five receptions either.
But he's just a marvelously efficient back, and he's a
He's a clear candidate to lead the NFL in rushing
in any given season that he's healthy. So like you

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like him in standard, do you like him in half PPR?
You start to dislike him a little bit more in PPR?
All right, Andy, Well, it's back to you for your
second high upside running back, and then we'll flip back
to tags. Who do you have for Usanti? Yeah, I'm
gonna go Raheem Mostert, who was actually yeah baby drawn
drawn a little bit of criticism from some quarters of
the fantasy Twitter universe. I think and like, I just

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feel like if there's a moment here where people are
doubting him because of the trade demand, Like I don't
even like even think they're very far apart on salary,
Like I think the Niners could actually make this, make
this work. He just wants like three million bucks. That's
not that big of a team, right, I feel like
they could. You know, teams can generally find a way
through extra guarantees or incentives to toss him a bone

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and make him feel a little bit better. The upside
for most Art is that he gets like sixty five
or seventy percent of the backfield touches in a Shanahan
offense like it does like this explains itself. If that's
there for him, he could plausibly finish as a top ten,
top twelve fantasy back for sure. He was ridiculously efficient
last season five and a half yards per carry, almost

(14:38):
thirteen yards per reception. All he needs are the touches,
and they are there for him because he just profoundly
outproduced Tevin Coleman last year. It wasn't even close, particularly
in the biggest moments when he was near legendary. So
I think the upside for most Art is pretty clearly
top twelve. So tags this is really interesting with me
for Most because I'm looking at the expert rankings right now.

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The highest guys on most Dalton del Don Yahoo Sports
RB fifteen. We've got Matt Harman Yahoo Sports RB nineteen.
Dalton Dalton is a total Niners fan. Apologize, sell it, okay, okay,
well regardless, I'm reading off all these Yahoo guys. In
former Yahoo guys as well. We've got Andy Barron's RB twenty,

(15:19):
Brandon Funston formerly with Yahoo RB fourteen, Brad Evans formerly
with Yahoo RB nineteen. Me and Dan Harris are up
there as well. But this is what really scares me.
Tags Okay, Pat fitz Morris always in the top ten
in Fantasy accuracy right RB thirty six, he's the lowest
guy on reading moster. Where do you stand? Man? Wow,
I'm kind of in between all you guys because I

(15:41):
understand the upside and I do agree that he is
a guy that can finish top twelve at his position
one hundred percent. That's there. Tevin Coleman is he's a
timeshare guy. And anytime that any team, including the Falcons
and then the forty nine ers, when they've gone to
him in like a workhorse role, he's kind of faltered.
The question is how big of a role does Jerrick
McKinnon have. They've they've kept him on the roster for
multiple years now when they probably he should have cut him.
They never should have signed him in that deal to

(16:02):
begin with. But I don't trust Kyle Shanahan very much.
So when you get outside the top twenty four running backs,
that's when I'm okay taking him, because you're not taking
him with a top four, top five pick. If you
can get him in like the sixth round. I'm okay
with taking someone like Mostard because again, the upside is there,
but I don't know if you ever feel confident every
single week putting him in your lineup. So, yes, the

(16:23):
upside's there, but at the same time, his cost is
It's it's about right for me. Sure. Yeah, everyone knows
I love a team most I'm not going to talk
about it anymore. I had most on my list though,
of a guy outside the top twenty five who can
finish top fifteen. But I'm gonna go back to running
back being drafted outside the top ten with top five upside.
That's Todd Gurley. You're right, guys. I did a study.
It went up on the site last week. It's it

(16:44):
is what does team scoring mean to fantasy football? And
it's it seems like a very elementary type, like the
guy you're running back needs to be on a team
that scores fantasy point. That sounds pretty simple, right, But
a lot of people overlook it. And I know that
because they were drafting guys like levy On in the
first round last year when he's playing for Adam Gaze. Yeah,
we have Todd Gurley. It's a fact that over the

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last seven years. If you play on a top twelve
scoring offense, it was, you have double the chance of
finishing as a top six running back. Todd Gurley is
playing for the Atlanta Falcons with Matt Ryan, Julio Jones,
Calvin Ridley, Hayden Hurst. This offensive line is going to
play better in twenty twenty. Not a good defense either, yeah,
well their defense. It's kind of going through a rebuild
on the back end with the cornerback unit. But either way,

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this Falcons team under Dirt Cutter is going to throw
the football. That's going to happen, and that's where a
lot of fantasy points come from. We had Devanta Freeman
last year finishes the top twenty running back, even though
he missed some time, wasn't very efficient with his touches.
This is Todd Gurley, the guy that we were taking
as the number one pick in drafts just two years ago.
I don't want to forget about him. He's I understand

(17:48):
that there are some concerns about his knee, but falling
all the way to RB eighteen in drafts now behind
guys like Chris Carson Melvin Gordon, I don't see it.
I mean, sure Carson's upside is there, but he's battling
for touches. There's signing running backs. Todd Gurley is the
only guy on that roster. Brian Hill's not taking his
job and he's done a one year deal as well.
Edo Smith was about to get benched before he got

(18:08):
hurt last year. So Todd Gurley a workhorse running back
playing in a top six offense and a guy that
has shown like record setting potential at running back. Todd Gurley, Yeah, yeah,
he's only missed four games in the last four years
as well. Their offensive line was a train wreck last year.
Any what do you think about this? Call? Um? Yeah,
I think this is a pretty like I don't want

(18:28):
to like Todd Gurley, but there's no one behind him, right, Um? Yeah,
I mean you said it, it's Edo Smith, Brian Hill. Like,
there's there's nobody threatening him. There's nobody who who should
challenge his touch. As we know he's a capable receiver.
He wasn't necessarily used in that role last season. I
mean there's a clear path here. The worry obviously is
the knees and potentially a chronic condition in his knees,

(18:52):
but he gutted it out last year, played more games
than I would have imagined he'd play. Not particularly efficient,
but again there's a there's a a to like three
hundred and fifty touches if you keep himself on the field.
And as you say, there's almost no way that Atlanta
isn't going to have a top five, top seven offense.
And he's just gonna stumble into the end zone ten

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times as long as he stays healthy. I've got him
RB thirteen, right behind right ahead of Austin Eckler and
Clyde Edwards Hlaire who are going way ahead of him
in drafts, as are Chris Carson, Leonard Fournette, Melvin Gordon.
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to you for your number three here, who do you have?
I'm gonna do this just to he wasn't even on
my list, but I think I'm just gonna I'm just
gonna pick a fight with tags a little bit. I
think there's a pretty clear path for Damian Williams to

(20:18):
be a huge Fantasy factor this year. Totally agree. Yes,
he's I mean he's already been a league winner. He's
literally been a league winner two years ago. The guy
wouldn't stop scoring in December, right Like I won multiple
titles with him. It was cheat code stuff. Do I
think Edwards Hilaire is better? Absolutely? I think Edward Hilaire

(20:39):
is going to be a wonderful player in that offense.
I think they're not done with Damian Williams. I think
he's got at least another year there as a as
not a high volume player. He's never been a high
volume player, but certainly someone who you know, especially in
a year like this, a year worre continuity, it just
means everything, right, a year to year continuity. There's been
no normal offseason. It's gonna be difficult for Edwards Hilaria

(21:00):
to get integrated into the offense. I think Williams is
going to be an essential player for them, and it's
an offense where we don't need a guy to get like.
I don't even have to talk about his snaps. I
don't have to talk about what his workload is going
to be because when he was literally carrying Fantasy owners
to titles two years ago, he was averaging fifteen touches
a game. If he just gets thirteen fourteen, fifteen touches,

(21:23):
which I think is totally in play and like a
fifty fifty split with Edwards Hilaire for a while, that
guy's going to be a monster again. And he goes
rounds after Edwards Hilaire, right, and he's the best backup
running back. If he is the backup running back now,
I think he's probably gonna start for the first three
to five weeks. That's typically what we see with running
backs draft in the late first round is the starter
hangs on to the job for a couple of weeks

(21:44):
until they learned the playbook. And now we've got COVID
going on, right, and so they haven't been able to
work with their teams quite as much. I think Williams
starts the season getting those twelve to fifteen touches per game,
and then from there if Clyde Edwards Hilary gets hurt tags,
just how high would you rank Damian Williams rest of
the season A whole? On a second, I'm gonna I'm
gonna push it back here. Okay, So so going back

(22:04):
to twenty thirteen, there have been nine running backs drafted
in the first round. Those nine running backs have averaged
two hundred and fifty touches. Yeah, but I mean we're
talking about guys like Ezekiel Elliott and Leonard Fournette. Who's
drafting the top five? Well, the only one, the only
rookie of all of them who didn't touch at least
the ball at least one hundred and ninety seven times
was Rashad Penny, which well he had a broken hand too. Yeah, Yeah,

(22:29):
if there was something that Damian Williams did better than
Clydenwards Hilaire, I'd say, yeah, I'm gonna conceee this one, fellas.
But there's not. There's really not. Like you could say
that Damian Williams has been a good pass catcher throughout
his career. He has, But you watch Clydenwards Hilaire, he's
a little Ray Rice, Like he's Ray Rice on the field.
He has a low center of gravity. He doesn't go
down on the first hit most of the time, he
doesn't run out of bounds. We can't forget Damian Williams.

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Andy Reid was giving Lashawn McCoy, thirty one year old
to Shawn McCoy about twelve touches per game with Damian Williams.
So it's like, if he didn't trust him, then what
makes us think he's gonna trust him when they rafted
a guy in the first round when maybe the that
he almost won the Super Bowl MVP tags Well, but
then again, why do you draft him? Why? Why why
draft clyders Hiler. You have a lot of holes in
that secondary, Like that cornerback unit in Kansas City is

(23:13):
not very good, and there were some good cornerbacks on
the board when they picked him there, but they asked
Patrick Mahomes, And if Patrick Mahomes wants him on the field,
he's gonna be on the field. I mean, Damian Williams
is probably one of the best handcuffs in football for sure,
and you might get some production out of him to
begin the year because they might started out as some
sort of time share, because if there's not a preseason,
there's not a chance for Clyde Edwards Hilaire to shine

(23:35):
against pros the way that I think he will. So
I could see that, But I would make the same
argument for someone like Duke Johnson though, And that's the
next guy on my list as a deep sleeper that
could be a lottery ticket. Duke Johnson, do you really
think Bill O'Brien would use him the way that we
all know he should be used. Well, that's the thing.
If David Johnson is really dead like he was at
the end of the last year, then it's it's very

(23:57):
possible then he has to And like there's a lot
of targets to go around in this offense, Duke Johnson
has been extremely efficient, Like it's kind of ridiculous, Like
there's obviously something there where coaches just don't like d Johnson.
They don't want to give him more touches. But he's
been extremely efficient with the touches he does get, and
not just passing either. I mean he runs between the
tackles quite well, That's what I'm saying, Like he like,

(24:18):
I don't. I don't understand why Duke Johnson doesn't get
more touches. They traded it, what was it, a third
round pick for him, I think so they clearly valued
him and then he got like sixty some targets last year.
I mean, they clearly don't value picks, right, Yeah, Well,
doll Brian, he doesn't value his team in the Futureney, Yeah, yeah,
but yeah, I think Duke Johnson could be in the
same conversation as someone like Damian Williams oh Man. I mean,

(24:41):
I think the Kansas City offense could average thirty five
points per game, and I don't think. I don't think
Houston has headed That's that's a good point. Almost everything
is new in Houston, and this is really the wrong
offseason to do a thing like that, right, Sure, I
don't know, I don't I don't see I don't see
these as like, I love M. Deshaun Watson a lot
of elements of that offense, but they are at very

(25:02):
different places in the sort of development arc of those offenses.
Like that, you know, Kansas City is just a death
star and it doesn't take much more than twelve thirteen touches,
which I think Williams can still get for him to
be a huge factor. And plus, let's say that M.
David Johnson does get hurt again, who's to say that
Duke Johnson's actually going to be the starter and they
don't bring in um, you know, DeVonta Freeman or something.

(25:24):
They are so bringing in Ryan that would happen. Maybe
Lamar Miller makes a comeback. Perhaps, Yeah, I don't, I
don't know. Tags I don't see this one is really
a high upside. I think he's gonna, you know, perform
above his ADP value. But do you think Duke Johnson
could be an RB two in this offense? Oh? He could,
I mean, I mean if he gets the touches. I

(25:44):
guess trade Comb was an RB one in Chicago's offense
PPR at least a couple of years ago, because he catches,
I mean, hide was great last year in that offense,
and I would have left him for dead. I thought
he was though, was cooked? Sure, okay make the Chiefs. Yeah,
that's a good point. We got two more running backs
for each of you, and then we're going to flip
on over to wide receivers. Andy, why don't you throw
both of your running backs, your final running backs together here.

(26:07):
These are probably a little bit deeper. They're not quite
as deep as Damian Williams. That was a that was
just an audible I called to try to get under tags.
I'm gonna toss. I'm gonna toss Matt Brita out there.
Not that it's a good offense, certainly, and he's in
a very different situation than he would have been in
San Francisco, but just a fantastically efficient player with the Niners,

(26:27):
a five year per carry guy, eight and a half
per reception. He's caught over eighty five percent of his
targets in the last two seasons, so he definitely has
receiving skills. Go into a transitional offense right running behind
a lesser ole line. I get it all. And there's
a good possibility that they use Jordan Howard almost exclusively
at the goal line like those were a bunch of worries,
but I feel like Brita's in a in a position

(26:49):
where he's not going to crack the top ten at
running back or anything like that. But can he get
to eleven hundred twelve hundred scrimmage yards in a healthy season.
I think he can. And then my other guy, and
this is almost cheating because I'm kind of going for
understudy running backs here, but I'm gonna go with Alexander Madison,
who sure looks like he could deliver ninety to ninety

(27:10):
five percent of Dalvin Cook's production if he falls into
that role. Obviously hugely efficient as a rookie four point
six yards per carry and caught almost all of his targets.
The guy was great in college back to back thousand
yard rushing seasons, but caught sixty passes, I believe as
a collegiate player, so kind of a do it all
back who again can deliver I don't know, ninety five

(27:31):
cents on the dollar compared to Dalvin Cook. I think
that's a good way to put it. And look, I'm
a Mike Boone truther, but that doesn't mean I want
to love Alexander Madison because he's the guy who would
get all the touches if Dalvin Cook went down. We've
seen that he can handle him. It's a very good
football player. I love this call. He's one of my favorites.
And I want to mention with Matt Breta. Let's not
forget he's the fastest running back in the entire NFL.
Right now, that's good. That's a good trait. It's a

(27:53):
good trite, all right. So what do you think about
Matt Breta and Alexander Madison? I mean Madison, I think
we all know the case there. We could say the
same for someone like Tony Pollard. I like the Matt
Brita call because if you're looking for a potential breakout
running back, you need that guy to be able to
catch passes out of the backfield. And clearly Jordan Howard
isn't that guy in that offense. And if they don't
take a step forward as an organization, which they probably should,

(28:14):
the Dolphins that that division is pretty weak and they
have a lot of turnaround. That's that's the question mark
right with this offseason, is that there's so many moving
parts in that defense and offense for that matter. The
offensive line, which which really could hamper someone like Jordan Howard,
who had his most successful seasons behind the Bears when
they had a good offensive line. Then he went to
the Eagles again another top six offensive line, and now
he's going to the Dolphins, a team that I know

(28:35):
they added a lot of pieces, but there's I can't
say that there's one player on that offensive line that
is for sure and above average talent. So I'm gonna
say that Matt Breta is a solid lottery ticket if
you want to take a shot on him, because he
can catch passes out of the backfield. My two running
backs I want to mention last. Anybody want to fight
me on Ronald Jones. I mean, he's a guy that
could finish is a top twelve running back one hundred percent.

(28:56):
I think people forget that. You know, Bruce Arians, and
I've said on this podcast before, but I know that
some people are just now tuning back in to the
podcast after taken maybe the summer off. But Bruce Arians,
back when David Johnson was a rookie, he was one
of the most efficient running backs in all of football.
But still David Johnson, I think ended up with one
hundred and sixty hundred seventy touches that year playing behind
someone like Andrea Ellington. So Ronald, it's clear that Bruce

(29:18):
arians doesn't like young running backs, and Ronald Jones was
still young last year. He didn't have much experience under
his belt. And as the year went on, we saw
over the last couple of weeks Ronald Jones kind of exploded.
Going with Tom Brady under center, having Rob Gronkowski out,
there's a blocker that's one of the underrated aspects of
Rob Gronkowski's game. Yes he's a fantasy superstar, he was,
but he's one of the best blocking tight ends out there.

(29:38):
And then you have the receivers they do. Ronald Jones
is gonna see a lot of seven man fronts. It's
it should be a good time for Ronald Jones in
that offense definitely has top twelve up side. And then lastly,
I want to mention a starting running back who is
going undrafted, which is impossible to find right I think.
I think Damian Harris starts out the year as the
starter for the New England Patriots. I don't think seventy

(30:01):
five for running backs tags. Yeah, he's undrafted, man, I
mean to get us starting running back in that offense
with Cam Newton. There, Cam Newton, he's not going to
rush the ball as much as he used to. He's
thirty one years old now. But Damien Harris, you know,
with Tony Michelle coming off another surgery, this time foot
surgery for a running back, the guy's been inefficient as is.
I don't know why people keep drafting Sony Michelle where

(30:22):
they do, I understand, and not just a foot surgery,
like he got a foot surgery this spring. It wasn't
right after the football season. Yeah, yep, it's all bad
with Tony Michelle. I liked I'll be the first to
say I liked Sonny Michelle a lot coming out of college.
In the pros, he's looked like a completely different running back.
These surgeries have added up, and a foot surgery is
certainly not going to help. So I'm gonna say a
Damien Harris, their third round pick from twenty nineteen, is

(30:42):
going to be the starter. Oh man, this is such
a good call. I want Damien Harris. I love everywhere.
You like it too, Andy, Oh, I feel I feel
ashamed because you don't have nothing. That's a great call. Okay,
So what do you think about Ronald Jones? Are you
a Keyshaw Vaughn kind of guy? Are you a Ronald
Jones guy? Because one of these guys is probably going
to break out in this offense. Yeah, And I think

(31:05):
Tags made the right call here. I think Ronald Jones
is a guy that you know, he's one of those
players that burned people so badly a couple of years
ago that I feel like a significant percentage of the
fantasy audience is just entirely out on him, even though
he was perfectly fine last year, right, Like, we gotta like, Okay,
it was it was a tragically bad rookie season. It
was a horrifically bad rookie season. We don't see a

(31:26):
lot of people bounce back from being necessarily that bad,
but we gotta, we gotta give rookies a mulligan. Sometimes
at the running back position, not always. But Ronald Jones
showed a lot of growth last year. He was entirely
competent last season, And yeah, I think there's probably more
growth there and it's going to be a wonderful offense.
It was a really good point about Gronk too, Like
the blocking for him is going to be a whole

(31:47):
lot better, and I think he is the guy to own.
I like, I feel like a lot of the push
for Vaughan was really just a you know, people raging
against against Ronald Jones. But I think it was fine
last year. I just want to remind people that Melvin
Gordon was a Top eight Fantasy football running back three
consecutive years. After his rookie season when he went for

(32:09):
zero touchdown, three point five yards per carry, five point
two yards per target, everyone wrote him off and just
thought he was trash. He ended up doing great, So
this kind of scuff can happen. It's a lot more
to pend out on the scheme on the offensive line,
and Ronald Jones now has a big upgrade at quarterback,
incredible wide receivers. He could get double digit touchdowns. All right, guys,

(32:30):
let's go wide receiver and Andy your first again. Do
you happen to know who this year is Chris Godwin is?
I don't know if he's this year is Chris Godwin,
But I am a huge fan of DJ Shark and
I to have him well ahead of well ahead of
ADP or at least I landed him in many drafts.

(32:51):
We gotta remember, like what an absolute star he looked
like for not just the first half last season, but
really about twelve thirteen games. He hit that ankle injury
late in the season December, and obviously when he was
playing hobbled. He's still gutted it out, which was perhaps unnecessary,
and had a couple of you know, had had a
couple of bad weeks at the end of the season,

(33:13):
but he was on pace before he was injured for
like an eighty catch twelve hundred yard, ten touchdown season,
which is which is a wide receiver one in any year.
He has some utterly uncoachable physical traits, right, he came
in with four three speed. He's six foot four, like
four three speed at six foot four is nuts, great
hands too. He's a phenomenal Yeah, much better than advertised, right,

(33:36):
Like we just thought he was going to be a
raw prospect who all of a sudden became a star
like in year two, so that the timeline we've had
to adjust. He's the unrivaled number one receiver on his team.
I don't think that, you know, the offensive coordinator change
is going to be bad for business for Sharks. So
I like him as a guy who should see, I
don't know one hundred and forty five hundred and fifty

(33:57):
targets like and on that sort of target load. I
just think he's gonna be sensational. So I'm looking at
the rankings right now, and Andy, you've got Djhark higher
than anybody else in the industry wide receiver fourteen. And guys,
keep in mind, just because this is a bold take
does not mean that Andy is necessarily wrong. He was
number eleven out of over one hundred and sixty analysts
last year in accuracy. So congratulations on that, Andy, and

(34:20):
a tax tea you think he's wrong. I like DJ
Chark a lot. It's just difficult for me to buy
into this because I think we can all Can we
all agree that the Jags are going to be a
bottom ten scoring offense? Is that fair? I'm a Jags
fan and I agree. Yeah, all right. So the reason
I'm asking the question is because I did that study
on teams scoring and what it means even to wide receivers,
and so wide receivers every so ninety six wide receivers

(34:42):
have finished top twelve over the last seven years, ninety
six of them. Only ten percent come from bottom ten
scoring offenses. So basically you might find one a season
that comes from there. And so DJ Chark the odds
are kind of stacked against him in that fact. I mean,
we could talk about there's a few players that would
probably fit in that description. I do like DJ Chark
the talent. He was a guy that last year when

(35:02):
he came on, I don't know if anybody expected it,
and maybe that's part of the reason that he was
able to maybe get some some man on man coverage
and overtake some bad cornerbacks. But then as he started
to get more and more notoriety, he matched up with
guys like Chris Harris Junior and scored a touchdown that
that didn't count in that game, but it was a
touchdown over Chris Harris Junior. That was just a phenomenal grab.
And it was just like from then on, I'm like,

(35:23):
get the ball to DJ Chark and Gardner Minshew seemed
to be a guy that understood to do that. So
I do like DJ Chark. I just worry about the
offense overall. So it could be one of those years
where he gets eleven hundred yards but scores five touchdowns
and like limits his overall upside a classic Dwayne bow season, right,
Dwayne Bows like seven hundred yards and all right, tags,

(35:49):
I assume you're picking Calvin Bridley since he's always our
pick with you Yates or myself when we're talking breakout
wide receivers. I mean, it has to be right, and
I know it's become the popular thing to say now
is that Calvin Ridley this year is Chris Godwin. But
I said it before. It was cool, damn it. But yeah, no,
so Mohammed Sanu in twenty eighteen saw ninety four targets
in this offense, and then when he was traded, he

(36:10):
was on pace for ninety six targets in this offense.
Even with him there, Calvin Ridley has been He's been
a star in his own right. He's been like a
wide receiver two, a guy that's a little bit more
touchdown dependent. But last year, even with Sanu there, Ridley
was on pace for a thousand and sixty five yards
and nine touchdowns prior to being shut down for the
final three games of the year. Being tied to you know,

(36:31):
having Julio Jones pulling coverage his way, because Julio is
still going to get that. But Ridley's now in year
three wide receivers often it's it used to be known
that this was their breakout season in year three, so
everybody seems to think it happens just like when they
walk into the league nowadays. But yeah, Calvin Ridley is
a guy that I absolutely love, and they were they
never really placed replaced Mohammed Sanou So unless you think

(36:52):
that they're going to give Russell Gage ninety five targets,
I mean, Calvin Ridley's he's, he's he should be a
lock for ten targets with the chance up to like
one hundred and twenty five of them. Calvin Ridley has
seventeen touchdowns on one hundred and eighty five targets since
joining the league. That's nine point two percent. Other elite
wideouts Michael Thomas five point four, Julio Jones four point three,

(37:13):
DeAndre Hopkins five point eight. I mean, the list goes
on and on. He's above them all. And then when
you look at yards per target, he's right there as well.
Nine point one two. That's ahead of that's ahead of
Michael Thomas, Julio Jones, DeAndre Hopkins, DeVante Adams. He has
been a study just needs the targets, and he's going
to get them this season, I think, Andy, Yeah, I
think the other factor here, and like I like Hayden

(37:37):
Hurst a lot, but I don't necessarily think that he's
going to fall into one hundred percent of the targets
that Austin Hooper saw last year, right, so some of
those maybe become available for Ridley as well. Life is
obviously really good opposite Julio Jones because he is going
to be you know, he just has a sort of
gravity that very few receivers in the league do. And

(37:57):
again at small uptick and targets as explosive as Ridley is.
I think that's a I think that's a great call,
and like it's one of those things where, like I
feel like fantasy analysts are tripping over themselves to be
the guy who like really planted the flag on Calvin Ridley.
You know, all he can do is disappoint us. At
this point, it feels a little bit like Godwin, I
planted this flag before he was even drafted. I stuck

(38:19):
by Calvin Ridley, even even when he had that terrible
combine that everybody talked about that like, oh he should
fall to the sixth round or something like that. I'm like,
stop it, stop it, Like Calvin Ridley has been my
guy when Rivals only made him a four star recruit
in high school. Raging Dads is like a low key
Falcons fan the way that I am with the tips
and the vikings, Like Das loves the Falcons even though

(38:41):
they're drafted players. What can I say? Yeah, I think
Yates was the first one that was super. Yates was
the first one to like put him in his top
five this year. I mean I didn't him. He's not
on the podcast to defend himself, but he's got him
so high. I guess Andy's uh oh, no way, it
was Chuck that Andy was the highest time. But I
think Yates is the highest in the entire industry. And Ridley,
I was gonna say, I've really a thirteen and I
thought I was like one of the highest un run

(39:02):
Oh okay, you might be. I'll look that up while
and he's given us his next player. Yeah, I'm gonna
I'm gonna violate some of the rules that tags laid
out adience chart there, and I'm going to take another
guy on a pretty what I assume is going to
be a pretty bad offense. But who is going to
fall into a ton of targets And that's Terry McLaurin. Like,
I don't know who's the who's the number two receiver

(39:23):
for Washington? I don't even know do they have a
number two? Well, they just lost Calvin Harmon Stephen Simms.
I guess they just have a number one who either good?
Number one? He's good? Yeah, yeah, a burner. Obviously. Rivera
just compared him to to DJ Moore, which doesn't seem
like a perfect comp to me exactly. And I don't
love his quarterback situation. There's a lot here not to like. Still,

(39:43):
nine hundred yards, seven touchdowns as a rookie and utterly
unchallenged as his team's top target. This guy could get
one hundred and sixty targets this year. Like, at some point,
if you're just following targets, um, you got to consider
him a top twenty guy with the potential to be
a wide receiver. One. Yeah, you're you're naming all my
favorite guys. I love this show Andy. I'm just waiting
for Andy to bring up like Keenan Allen next, because

(40:04):
he's picking all these players on bad offenses. And I
mean I have no competition for targets though Hunt. I
appreciate the boldness because I actually have Terry McLaurin is
my Number nineteen receiver, But in terms of like crazy upside,
I think he lacks it just because his team doesn't
score enough points. And it's it's almost the same argument
I'd use for DJ Chark because McLaurin and Chark are
fantastic wide receivers. I just don't know if I believe

(40:25):
in their offense enough to to like literally go out
on a limb and say, I'm willing to reach ta
get these guys if they follow them, I'm absolutely willing
to take their targets. Though you know they also has
Dwayne Haskins as this quarterback who missed him on quite
literally three wide open touchdowns last jar. I remember every
single one of them, and I hate remembering it, but man,

(40:45):
he was he was open an all three of them.
He just kills me by the way. Calvin Ridley, the
highest experts on him. Kyle Yates has him at eleven.
I've got him at thirteen. Tags has him at thirteen,
but the CBS sports guys Heath Cummings twelve Dave richards
In Jamie Eisenberg nine, Oh wow, Yeah, there's some some
people in the industry who are all over Calvin Ridley.

(41:08):
We'll see what happens tags at your term, buddy. All right,
where do I go from here? All right? Well, I mean, obviously,
if we're gonna talk about wide receivers being drafted outside
the top ten with top five upside, I'm gonna mention
Odell Beckham. Yeah. You know, he's one of the most
talented wide receivers in the NFL, even though for whatever reason,
fantasy owners have forgotten that. Like it was funny, Andy,
we had a post up on our Instagram on the

(41:29):
Fantasy pros account that we talked it was. It was
a Jerry Judy post and it was saying, oh, this
that a lot of experts have compared him to Odell
Beckham Jr. And they're like, well that sucks, don't draft
this guy. I'm like, what is wrong with you? People?
Like it blows my mind that people like think that
Odell Beckham sucks. Now he doesn't suck. It was his
first year in the offense and everybody, to be fair,
everybody in that passing attack wasn't great even Jarvis Landry,

(41:51):
who finished is like the he finishes like a top
fifteen wide receiver if you look at his games, like
if you actually go through them. He was not a
great fantasy wide receiver last year. The entire offense just stunk.
It was just not very good. And that's why they
have a new coaching staff there. It's going to be
a lot of two tight end sets out there in Cleveland,
That's what it seems like under Stefanski. But that's going
to allow for Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry to kind

(42:12):
of eat up those targets amongst those two and not
necessarily have to split it with a third wide receiver.
So Odell Beckham, would it shock me if he came
out and was the number one Fantasy wide receiver this year? Absolutely?
Not exactly. Yeah, I posted this stat a couple months ago. Actually,
Odell Beckham eighteen point nine Fantasy points per game so
far that includes last year. The only other guys in

(42:33):
NFL history to do that through their twenty seventh birthday
Michael Thomas, Julio Jones, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice. That's it.
Nobody else is even above seventeen point five Odell Beckham.
Is that good? He was just playing hurt last year. Yeah,
I fully agree with this. I wrote about Beckham probably
a month ago as a clear bounce back candidate. Many

(42:54):
of the things that you're saying, somebody who could like
plausibly bounce back to number one overall, certainly three top
five overall and the rage that came from the fantasy
community really were burned. Yeah. I don't understand the mindset
of a guy burned me, So I'm never going to
draft him again. Like, what if you did that with
Todd Gurley the year that he was the least efficient

(43:15):
running back, next year he broke records, Or if he
did it with DeAndre Hopkins when he played all sixteen
games was wide receiver thirty Next year here was the
number one wide receiver in football. You can't have that
mindset people. Yeah. Some of it was people who were
burned by him in fantasy. Some of it I think
were just Giants fans who couldn't wait to jump on him.
I definitely think he pays a price for having you know,

(43:36):
like we should give him credit for playing through a
sports hernia, which is no damn fun to play through,
Like he gutted that out all year, played all sixteen games,
answered some questions in that regard, but obviously was compromised
and was compromised for basically the entire season. You know,
But the way the way opinion changed on remember when
people were like people were talking about, oh my god,

(43:58):
Cleveland's gonna have to pay Baker Mayfields. Dan, is he
going to make forty five million dollars a year? What
I'll take him on the Bears. I'll take him the
Bears all day. Yeah, yeah, I mean, he broke the
rookie touchdown record. Let's not forget how good this guy
is when he has a decent offensive line. Right, that
guy was like a clinic every week and in college,
Like he can be good again. And Odell Beckham is
only twenty seven and has made most of the great

(44:19):
highlight catches of the last ten years. Right, Like, I
think this is a great call, and you're right to
say that not only can he reclaim wide receiver one status,
he can be like overall number one wide receiver. So
a few guys ahead of him in ADP, I'm curious
if you would take him over them, Andy Kenny Galladay,
Alan Robinson, Mike Evans, Amari Cooper, Adam feeling all of

(44:40):
them me two tags. I don't. I don't feel like
Cooper should be close to him. I feel like the
rest of them should be close. I think I have
I think I may have Alan Robinson like a tick ahead,
but that's it. I think he's I think O'Dell is
definitely someone who should be considered right around that like
eight through eleven range, and I've got him. I've got

(45:00):
him solidly ahead of Galliday as well. I mean, I
like Golliday, I like that whole crew. Um probably I
like Adam feel in the least, and honestly, if it
came right down to it, I would probaly should probably
change my ranks because I would probably take Chark over there.
I'm looking looking at my race right now and knowing
the way I feel about certain players this year, that's interesting.

(45:22):
I mean, I like him, I like him, but I
like guys who I think can be absolute superstars, and
I think I think Charker is in that is in
that club. All right, Andy, so far, you've named two
of my favorite targets, DJ Chark and Tara McLaurin. Can
you keep it going with number three? Baby, I bet
I can't. I bet I can't. Um, this is gonna
be This is gonna be a Flyer that everybody, everybody

(45:42):
just sort of hates and everybody's been burned by this
guy as well. But I think I think will Fuller Okay,
Like someday Will Fuller is gonna play fourteen healthy games
and it's going to be incredible. Um in terms of
like the overall season ending fantasy line. He has lived
really the one significant offensive weapon on this team that

(46:04):
is held over from twenty nineteen, like him and Watson.
That's it. Everything else is new. And Kenny still has
just got arrested for a felony, right right, They've they've
they've picked a terrible year in which to do this, right, Like, like, we're, okay,
we're changing out our lead running back. We're we're changing
out like two of our our top receivers. Like we're

(46:25):
making wholesale changes at a time when we literally can't
be physically within ten feet of any team personnel. Right Like,
they've they've picked a horrible year for this. There's no
question what the issues are with will Fuller. It's it's
been it's been his health largely the health of his hamstrings.
He is a clear boom bus player with a long
injury history. That the thing is his his boom week

(46:47):
last year literally one of the top games in the
history of the wide receiver position was fourteen catches, two
hundred yards, three touchdowns. And besides that, I don't know
if he was ever even a wide receiver three was
he He had one game against Indy where he was Yeah. Yeah,
he's either a total dud or he's the number one
scoring wide receiver in a given week. But it's not.
That doesn't mean it's going to be like that this year.

(47:09):
I mean we're every single season is a small sample size.
That was eleven games last right, eleven samples And I
just I just happen to love that. He's the He's
the one guy that that Watson has a pre existing
relationship with that he's gonna have rapport with. Um. Obviously,
it's you know, is Will Fuller ever gonna play sixteen
healthy games? I would I would bet against it at
this point. If he can give me twelve to fourth.

(47:31):
I'm talking about him like he's Jordan Read or something
like that, Like it is a Dooms pick. But if
there's a year out there, where he gives us twelve
to fourteen healthy games, He's going to be an easy
eleven hundred yards. I'll probably have some shares a Fuller,
especially in best ball, But I'm a Brandon Cooks guy
through and through, so I don't know. Tax what do
you think man? Is Will Fuller going to be the
number one into Sham Watson's offense? Because if he is

(47:53):
his ADP of wide receiver thirty five, it's not even close.
He's gonna be a ton better than that. Yeah, I've
actually been on the clock in drafts before, and I've
been I've had a tough time deciding between Will Fuller
and Brandon Cooks. I have been starting to trend towards
Fuller just because this offseason we have no idea what
the chemistry is going to be between someone like Brandon
Cooks and Deshaun Watson. But what I can say is

(48:15):
that Brandon Cooks has played with This will be his
fourth quarterback in five years, and he has always seemed
to finish the top twenty four wide receiver no matter
who his quarterback is, including Jared Goff before all these
concussion problems started. But we can't pretend that that Brandon
Cooks didn't have injury question marks too with those concussions
that he's dealt with, So you know, are they adding up?
I don't know. I really just don't want to like

(48:37):
this Texans team at all because, like David Johnson doesn't
even fit what they do on offense. I don't even
understand why they wanted him on the team. So basically
what you're saying is they're both gonna get hurt and
Ryandal COB's going to be a wide receiver one right,
that would be the worst. I mean, Kiki Qt is
probably the best, Like he should be playing in the slot.
They should have never signed Rydal Cop. But whatever, that's
Bill O'Brien for him. He might get caught, man. I

(48:57):
don't know why Bill O'Brien doesn't like him, but he
was awesome when he was on the field. Can I
take the all cut team, I'll take Kiki Qt. I
will take I'll take Baker Mayfield. What other players are
they gonna cut to the Bearskins sign kind of Baker
make He'll get out of here, man. People were talking
about them like needing to draft a quarterback and like
stop it. Yeah, that's crazy. All right, Tags, It's back

(49:17):
to you for number three and then we'll each do
two more in a chunk like we did last time.
All right. Yeah, I mean, speaking of people forgetting about talent,
I'm gonna go back to AJ Green. You know, the
people forget about how good Beckham was. AJ Green. When
he's on the field, he's been a wide receiver one.
I mean, it's not really a question. It's more of like,
if you don't like AJ Green is because you're worried
about his health. And I get that, and that's why

(49:38):
he's falling, and that's why he's going as like the
twenty eighth wide receiver off the board. You're getting a
discount on him, and when he's on the field, you're
starting him every week. You don't have to worry about
it at all. Joe Burrow coming to the team, he
has no allegiance to anybody. There's nobody that he's going
to favor outside of well, who's the most talented AJ Green?
Is he older? Sure, he's the same age as they
came into him and Julio Jones came in the league
at the same time. For whatever reason, AJ Green is

(49:59):
like looked at as a dinosaur, and you can't trust
him at all. He's going to decline. Or is Julio
Jones still being drafted as a top five receiver? And
rightfully so. So again, I'm not going to anticipate an
injury to AJ Green. I'll take the discount on him.
He absolutely has top fifteen upside. Yeah, Joe Burrow as
a quarterback, he was on pace for thirty over thirteen
hundred yards and twelve touchdowns in twenty eighteen before he

(50:20):
got hurt. Like, it's not like he hurt, bro, He's
not gets hurt and his baked into his price. If
he didn't get hurt, I'd be draft him to the
top twelve wide receivers again. Right, That's what I'm saying,
is like people just forget how good he is. Andy,
you blew it, man, I this was the one I
was hoping you would name so we could go three
for three. But you didn't go AJ Green even though
you liked him apparently. Well, I was going to make
the point about twenty eighteen. He was he was almost

(50:42):
eighty yards a game. He was fine. There was nothing
wrong with AJ Green in twenty eighteen at all, Like
we should worry about injuries to some extent with everyone,
and I think at least part of him not coming
back last year was the fact that the Bengals were
in the situation that they were in, right Like, it
was a good business decision, both for the team and
for the player. He is clearly the top receiver on

(51:04):
that team. It's a really fun offense around Burrow. A
lot of people have made the point that, you know,
Burrow himself has sneaky upside this year. If this had
been not to get off the Aja Green topic, but
if this had been a normal off season with you know,
normal interactions between players and coaching staffs, teams and all that, man,
I would have I would have I would have been
able to make the case that Joe Burrow could make

(51:25):
a run at that Andrew Luck, you know, rookie passing
yardage record. Um, I don't think it happens, given the
weird nature of this offseason, but a lot of talent
around him and aj Green staying healthy would be the
biggest part. And he can throw the ball six hundred
and forty times considering how much they're going to be
playing from behind with that dec right, Yeah, Okay, tell
us if you think is going to win this bat

(51:46):
between tags and my most important questions. Over on the podcast,
Joe Burrow faced Ryan Tannehill and Fantasy Points this year.
Oh man, Um, that's really good, the right decision. Shoot,
I think it's I hate this. I hope these guys.
Really they're really close, aren't they. I love them both,
but I love my d so much more. He's gonna
win the MVP this year. Um yeah, I mean I

(52:08):
have I have Tannehill ahead. I win DAGs eat it, baby,
I mean, can you win? You win the Baron's Award.
You guys have agreed on a lot of bad teams
in this podcast. What are you calling the Titans a
bad team because they're gonna win the Super Bowl? Dude?
I mean the Titans could be scary bad if Tannehill
doesn't live up to that contract. Oh my goodness, time

(52:30):
I'm saying out of here. We have to move on
before I just my mind on this podcast. I don't
even have him close. I have Burrow seven spots higher
than Tannehill, who all right, well everyone else. It's really
the point in Burrow's favor is broke could broke could
attempt like one hundred and fifty more. Yeah, and maybe

(52:51):
and he has the same rushing upside too because he
runs the ball. Yeah, Tannehill runs the ball too. But yeah, yeah,
you're right. Um, I don't know if tanne Hill was unbelieving.
It is an interesting point, Like we don't associate, Like
nobody gives Burrow any credit for running the vega he
saw like the college football playoff. Like he's a pretty
good running quarterback. Um, he's not at the level of
the elites in the NFL, but he's a pretty good
running quarterball. All Right, we've got number four and number

(53:13):
five lump together here, Andy, who are you going with? Okay,
these guys are gonna be These guys are gonna be
relatively deep deeper, Um, I think than they should be,
given their talent and at least the situation. For one,
I don't even I don't even really particularly like this
first guy, but he is the number one wide receiver
on his team. Like I regret to inform you that
DeShawn Jackson, Um, like it's still phillis number one another

(53:38):
one of my guys. Yes, well, for fantasy, zach Ertz
probably leads that team in receptions. Obviously, in d jacks
is thirty three, and he's coming off injury and all that,
but we have we have no timeline on Alshan Jeffrey
to return. And the other threat at receiver rager is
is a rookie, Deshaun Jackson, obviously one of the great
deep threats of this or any era, somebody who could

(53:59):
who could apply visibly finished again around twenty yards per reception.
If he just gives us thirteen games, he's a wide
receiver two better. I don't like DeShawn Jackson still has
you know, win your week upside in any given week.
And then and then my next guy probably needs an
injury to really crack the wide receiver three ranks wide

(54:21):
receiver two ranks. But it you know, certainly in a
season like this in which we have all the normal
injury risk, plus we have COVID, all kinds of crazy
stuff can happen. And that's going to be McCole Hardman,
obviously a hugely explosive player, another twenty yard per reception guy,
scored seven touchdowns as a rookie. He's on the right
damn team too. Again, the Chiefs are probably going to
average thirty to thirty five points a game if he

(54:43):
just gets a little bit of run at some point
in the season. Let's you know, let's say somebody suffers
an injury and all of the sudden, hardman is seeing
seven eight targets a game for like six games in
a row. He's gonna be great. Do the Chiefs have
the best offense in football? Or do you think it's
the Cowboys? It's the Chiefs. You think it's Chiefs. Yeah,
that's the Chiefs. Cowboys were first in yards per play

(55:03):
last year. One just got five hundred million dollars. The
other one doesn't have a contract. That's true. I'm not
saying I am not saying that Prescott is anywhere near
as good as Patrick Mahomes in real life. I'm just
saying this offense, Man, they've got some killer weapons in
Dallas in that offensive line is substantially better. I don't
know about substantially better, but it's the Cowboys have the
best offensive line football. I think I think maybe the

(55:23):
Colts are Eagles, Like we had a compromised Patrick Mahomes
for that's true last year, right, So yeah, you didn't
see like the full awesome, destructive firepower of the Chiefs
offense until until perhaps the playoffs. I like both those names,
Deshan Jackson and Hardman for fantasy football tags. Who do
you have is your final team names? I'm not going
to talk about John Ross because I've already talked about
the Bengals and off today. But I just I'm I'm

(55:46):
not saying his name, but I'm not not saying his name.
I am going to also say Devin Funchis is a
deep yuck. I mean, you're right, but still yuck. It's
a deep. I mean, I think people forget that Devin
Funchis was a top twenty four fantasy wide receiver with
Cam Newton is his quarterback. I mean, if if DeVante
Adams were to suffer a concussion that's something like he
obviously missed some time last year with the concussion, you know,

(56:08):
it could be a multi week scenario. Devin funchius Is
he's a big body. He's a guy that Aaron Rodgers
can trust in the red zone because that guy for
a big guy, he's got he's got strong hands, He's
pretty agile in terms of the red zone. He's not
a guy that's gonna stretch the field or anything like that.
But I like him quite a bit as like you
take him in the last round and you see what
happens between him and Allen Lazard and then another player

(56:29):
that again you're gonna find out what you have Week
one is Jalen Hurd. Jalen Hurd. When you think about
Deebo Samuel and what he brings to that forty nine
Ers offense and the role that he plays is kind
of like a guy that creates after the catch, a
guy that they're gonna give the ball. They're gonna hand
the ball off to him. Jalen Hurd used to be
at running back. They drafted him in the third round.
Like I like Jalen Heard as a sleeper going into
the last year's draft, and I really thought he was

(56:51):
gonna be like a fifth, sixth round pick and then
third round the forty nine Ers grab him. So I'm like, wow,
they have They clearly like him. So if there's someone
in that offense that could take over that Debo Samuel role.
While Deebo Samuel might start the year on the publist,
I think it's Jalen Hurd Man Jalen Heard Week one
DFS at home against Arizona Debo, Wow, I'm so pumped
about it. And also the next four weeks, we've got

(57:12):
the Jets, the Giants, the Eagles, the Dolphins. That's five
consecutive good matchups for Jalen Hurd. I think that even
if Deebo comes back and just takes over, if Jalen
hurds getting seventy percent of the snap count in those
five weeks, he's going to be an absolute steal. Yeah.
I feel like I'm actually in the same place as
Tags on her like I was. I was so into
him coming into coming into last season, and that was

(57:34):
obviously a disappointment. That's a really good call. Yeah, all right,
anything else you guys want to add, Andy, uh start
liking better football teams, I'll I'll just say that, like
while we're while we're not not mentioning Cincinnati receivers, I
think I think te Higgins can be a star. Not
this year, but my god, that guy reminds me of

(57:57):
AJ Green in you know, not only the good ways,
but also in you know, some of the perceived shortcomings
coming into the draft process. I think te Higgins is
gonna be really good. That's exactly gonna I think that
he's the replacement for AJ Green. I think it was
a perfect like he's like, yea, yeah, football comes easy
to see Higgins. He may not test off the chart,
but when you watch him play football, like it just

(58:19):
comes easy to him. So I definitely like it and
hope I hope that he learns from AJ Green and
like literally studies from that guy, because AJ Green really
took that next step when he he spent the offseason
with Calvin Johnson and then AJ Green became such a
dominant force in the NFL. All right, guys, that's all
for today's show. Andy, thank you so much for taking
the time to come to the show. Hey, thanks for
having me. Man, it's always a pleasure. Yeah, it's our pleasure,

(58:40):
especially when you agree with me about the bat over
Tanny Hill and Burrow. I loved that. Guys. Give Andy
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