Could J.J. McCarthy Be A Top 10 QB? | Fantasy Football Draft Court Debates (Ep. 1634) - FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. It's time to go
to court. It is me Joey p Jo Pi Zapia
with me today, Derek Brown, Terrell Furman Junior. We're going
to debate some players for everybody here to get your
takes as the jury of whether or not we're going
to be drafting these players in twenty twenty five, some
controversial names, perhaps maybe even a rookie or two, some

(00:25):
second year players. We've got a lot of fun here,
and don't forget everybody. Make sure you subscribe to the channel,
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And of course like this video because I'm wearing this
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to happen today. We're going to change this up. Sometimes

(00:47):
we've had somebody as the prosecutor and the defender defending
their own rankings, and yah yah yah yah. This time,
Derek Brown is ahead of the expert consensus rankings, and
Terrell Firman Junior is going to be the public defender
and the ECR from Derek Brown's aggression, because that's what's
going on here today. So Terrelle, I know sometimes the

(01:07):
Public Defender office doesn't always, you know, have the best salary.
But I'm happy you showed up to work today. Everyway.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Oh what I do this for the love of the game.
The money doesn't mean anything for me is the love
of arguing.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
The love of arguing. As an Italian, I appreciate that.
I just want to put that out there like that's
that's where my love of arguing always began. In the
home de bro. Derek Brown, You're always wanted to be
aggressive on players. Sometimes in the past you've been one
hundred percent right, other times less right. So are you
confident that you've got all your ducks in a row
here for twenty twenty five with some of these names

(01:41):
we're going to talk about today.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I would like to push back on the phrasing and
framing this your honor. You're framing this as I'm being aggressive.
I think it's the ECRs being repressive.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
If anything overalled, Sorry your objection.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
You didn't answer the question, your honor, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Mean I did with a question. Yeah, he's avoiding already,
so avoidance the objection is sustained by Terrell Furman Junior. There,
so we're gonna keep pushing here again, don't forget to
like the stream. Hang out with us here over a
fantasy pros and let's begin the arguing. So, as always,
Judge Judy is not around these parts. We're dealing with

(02:22):
Judge Joey, and I am Judge Joey, an executioner around
these parts. Let the debates begin. Let us bring our
first defendant to the courtroom. Bring them in. It's Cam Skataboo.
We might need a little bit of a high chair
for Cam because he's a little on the shorter side,
but we might have it reinforced because he's a little

(02:43):
bit of a stocky, tough guy too. This guy's built
like a fire hydrant. I love that about Cam Scataboo.
I loved him in college. He's fun to watch. The
highlight films are there. Also, the big performance in the
big game against Texas was also there. What an incredible performance. Now,
Deebro is more regressive an expert consensus rankings, but it's
not absurd, so let's talk about it. Debro. You have

(03:07):
Camp Scataboo at RB thirty one. Terrell Ferman Junior. The
ECR has him at thirty eight. So debro Let's first
start with Terrell. Actually, we're gonna start with Terrell. Terrell,
Let's talk about the expert consensus of thirty eight why
it's a good idea for Camps Scattabuo. He is a rookie,
You are a Giants fan. You know Tracy is still around.
So let's talk about the expert consensus rankings of whether

(03:30):
or not that is a more reasonable draft spot here
potentially for Scataboo this season.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, thank you for putting my Giants fandom out there
in the street for everybody.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Just you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I didn't know if I wanted to claim that this
year or not, but I guess I have to.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Now it's too late for that. Let's talk if you
know what that's called Terrell discovery. Discovery, that's what that's called.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Let's talk about the history of this coaching staff and
this GM offense and running backs here, because I think
the big thing that they that they're talking about is
Cam Scattabuu can come in here and be a workhorse
running back and get majority of the snaps and where
that unfolds. But this coaching staff has actually believed in
two quarterback two running back systems, they just haven't had

(04:14):
the opportunity to be able to implement it for whatever reason.
Go back to twenty nineteen rookie Devin Secretary. Yes, he
was a workhouse back then. He was getting sixty six
percent of snaps in ten of his in the last
ten of his games that he played in, very much
so he was the guy on the field all the time.
Go to twenty twenty, Now that changes. He only has
sixty six percent of snaps in three of fourteen games

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that new Zach Moss played in. He also got out
snapped by Moss in six of those games, so it
was more of a fifty to fifty backfield there. You
get to twenty twenty one, when Moss was healthy weeks
two through eleven, he was again split backfield with Moss
out snapping him six times. And that's the incumbent. That's
the guy, that's the incumbent. So yeah, you may feel
good about kimp scattaboo there, but is kimpskattabuu gonna be

(04:58):
automatically gifted seventy percent of snaps. I don't think so.
This coaching staff, when they have the options, they like
to go fifty to fifty, sixty forty, keep it somewhere
around there depends who's rolling that time, or they're here
or there. Let's go all the way to Tyrone Tracy.
Last season where Singletary was the back, coming in, Tyrone

(05:19):
Tracy came in, took over the last three weeks and
he looked great. But guess what the offensive line did
it The Giants run game and as a whole, did
not thirtieth at EPA per rush thirty first is the
sixth grade twenty six and is supposed to run rate. Yes,
camscababy has the talent, Yes they are very very good.
But the Giants for twentieth and running backyards before contact

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last year at point thirty seven, it's hard to get
miss tackles make those are supposed to play that. You
can't even get a yard off the ball without.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
All Right, So Terrell Furman has made a case here
for the reasonable ranking here of Camscataboo. Now I am
a Camscattabu fan, just for context as well, for the jury,
who's sitting out there, Cam'scataboo right now currently at the
thirty eight spot, right around Zach Charboney, Vermontre Stevenson, Jordan Mason,
guys are all kind of working split backfields. And Augie

(06:10):
Harris is in this range too. Where Derek Brown has
him is actually ironic at thirty one because that is
exactly where Tyrone Tracy Junior is going. So, Derek Brown,
are you here telling me that the lead back of
the Giants backfield is not Tyrone Tracy but it's actually Campskataboo.
I absolutely am your honor.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
I think you have to pick the way that we
should be approaching this backfield. And Terrell talked about it
being possibly a committee situation, and I will push back
against my other courtroom made here and say that I
think that that angle of looking at this backfield is incorrect.
If you go back to Brian Dave OLL's history, he

(06:51):
wants a clear workhorse running back. And yes, in Buffalo
like fine Tefan Singletary and Zach Moss shared time at times.
That's more an indictment on Zach Moss than it is
anything with Devin Singletary, because Devin Singletary was a workhorse
during his time in Buffalo elder iterations of that offense.
But even go back to last year, guys, there was
no Saquon Barkley. We could talk about Saquon Barkley and

(07:12):
Brian Dable. I won't because we're talking about different talent
levels of players. But look at what New York did
last season. Most current iteration of a Brian Dable offense
at twenty twenty four seven games, and Devin Singletary and
Tyrone Tracy are both in this sample. Seven games were
a running back played seventy percent or more of the snaps.
Twelve games a running back played at least sixty five

(07:34):
percent of the snaps. And now we're discussing, Okay, they
go out in a draft Cams Kataboo. They give him
more draft capital in a deep running back class than
they did Tyrone Tracy the year prior.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
So what does that take about Cam Scataboo. They could have.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Waited on running back if they just wanted to add
a complimentary piece to Tyrone Tracy. And for this to
be a committee, and I'll give a pop quiz to
the jury out there, does anybody know considering Brian Dables
love and affinity for this type of archetype of running back.
Does anybody know who the OC for the Cleveland Browns
was the year the Peyton Hillis went off. Give you
a hint, Brian Daballamscataboo is gonna take over this backfield.

(08:11):
And when people are approaching this backfield for the New
York Giants with my ranking or if you want to
go with Tracy, I think it's the wrong angle. You
need to approach this backfield with picking one guy to
be the clear workhorse. And I believe with the draft
capital the things.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
That Brian Dable has done both in.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
His history and in this draft class, it will be
camp Scataboo. And he's also working with the first team
offense already.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
People, So what you're saying is Cam Scaboo is gonna
be on the cover of Madden next year. Right, That's
that's what you're lolling to.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Maybe maybe, I hope not, I will say that twenty
twenty six out look, if there was ever a John
Madden kind of football player, it's definitely Cam Scattaboy.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I wish he had lived to see him play football.
That would have been a good time boom. He would
have loved saying that all right, I'm gonna let the
jury now take over from here. Are we going to
be drafting Cam Scataboo this year or not? As the
jury deliberates, I want to continue the conversation and give
them some more information. That's right, because this is the
destination to get you the best fantasy advice you coul

(09:11):
possibly handle. Let's get a question here from Clutch. Tracy
has fumble issues. This is correct, Terrell. This is the
one thing that's kind of haunted him a little bit
last year. And you know, we had an idea without Okay,
Devin Singletary is the guy, and then Tracy became the guys,
so it wasn't like this was a running back situation
set in stone last season. Do the fumble issues concern

(09:33):
you this season? And if there are fumble issues early
in preseason or in Week one or two, could that
expedite the cams Scataboo rise.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
No, I actually am not worried about the fumble issues
because despite the fumble issues he had last year, he
was still getting all the snaps and all the work there.
It was because Devin Singletary was a shell of himself
after the early season injury, and he never could get
back to form throughout the rest of the season, and
they really had no choice but to go to Cirro
and Tracy. So yes, I do think the issues for Tracy,
it may lead into that split. It may lead into

(10:04):
Cam Scattabuu having some type of role in this offense.
But at the end of the day, I think that
Devin Singletary is still going to have some minute role
that's going to be very annoying for all fantasy managers.
Depending on what side you're on, it's still going to
be annoying. I think that Tracy and Scattabou are going
to cut into their own production and thus bringing down
both of their value in an offense that the run
game is already not good in all.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Right, Debro, Right around that range where you have anointed
Cam Scattabu, you're talking about Travis Aten who's had some
good seasons, Brian Robinson Junior, who is very safe, perhaps unspectacular,
but the floor is very real. Tony Pollard, who has
delivered multiple thousand yard seasons, and nobody seems to care
about this, but me, I feel like you do a

(10:46):
little bit too. The three straight years of a thousand
yards rushing and nobody seems to care. Guys like Caleb Johnson, RJ. Harvey,
who I know you have it like RB two overall
this year.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
So are you comfortable.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Though, camp scattabuou that ranking he has got to get
past a lot of guys who have already done it before. Now,
whether or not they could do it in twenty twenty five,
that's up for debate. But this ranking you have of
thirty one, the confidence level has to be super high
that he can not only meet those other guys, but
possibly exceed those expectations.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
I think he definitely can because again, like I've outlined,
day Ball last year wanted one clear workhorse and it
wasn't until Tracy almost fumbled away the opportunity altogether and
this team went away from him at one point last
season that that almost happened. So I think they want
one clear guy, and Cam'scataboo. We didn't even talk about
the receiving upside and utility. All the Camp clips coming

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out half of them, Okay, fine, they're Cams Cataboo taking
the ball and on the rushing department. There's just as
many about his involvement in the red zone and the
passing game. That are coming out of camp. This Skataboo
receiving upside is going to be slept On and that's
what can ball to him above some of those other
players that you mentioned, Joey.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
All Right, the results are in. The jury has come
back with a verdict, and I have to say I
have done my b not to tip the scales and
put my finger on the scales, because everybody knows how
much I love Camp Scataboo. But that's not what we're
here for today.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
This is a courtroom situation, dammit.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
That is here abiding by the laws of the Fantasy
pros YouTube stream. That's what we're doing here. And with
a whopping eighty six percent, people are going to draft
Cam Scattaboo this year. There you go in favor of
Camp Scattaboo. Terrell, This was uphill journey for you. I
think a little bit. Be Honestterrell, is there a little

(12:32):
part of you that really wants Camp Scataboo to really
succeed too, just because of that little giant blue pennant
that you're gonna have above your bed this whole winter?

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean part of me wants
some to succeed and other part of me wants everything
to fail so that Joe Shade and Brian Dable can
realize they have no idea what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Fair enough, that's a real giant fan, right there, folks.
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Let's move on to the next discussion point. Here, it's
another rookie running back. This backfield is even more crowded,
and I think patience is running thing with a lot

(13:51):
of fantasy managers. If you watch yesterday's mock draft episode,
I did take two thirds of this backfield. How do
I feel about it? Still a little unsure, but I
feel like I got two thirds of a chance of
having the right guy, and that is sixty six point
six percent chance. And if I start doing my Scott
Steiner math, I might just lose my mind here on

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the program. But the next guy we're gonna talk about,
bring me into the courtroom. It is Basehell Tuton rookie
Jacksonville Jaguars Debro extremely aggressive RB thirty two, Terrell Furman Junior.
The ECR has him at fifty two, far more theoretically
reasonable for the third guy in a backfield. Now we

(14:32):
all know Liam Cohne is the new guy, and sometimes
we got to follow and keep track of who the
new head coaches select because that's typically the guys they
want to use. But he's got a guy on an
expiring contract he's got another guy there in Bigsby who
could still be really solid potentially after a decent twenty
twenty four season. So Derek Brown, first, I'm gonna let
you make the case for a year. Dare I say

(14:54):
absurd ranking here? I just want to point this out.
At RB thirty two is right behind cam Skataboo. So
here leap rogging all of those other handcuff guys, all
of the proven number twos or the perspective number twos,
and instead you're moving Bachell Tuton all the way there,
whereas Terrell the ECR has them much closer to the
Jalen Wrights and Isaac Grendoz and the guys that you know,

(15:17):
things would have to happen for them to really kind
of take over. So Derek Brown Corn is now in
session officially for Bachell Tuton discuss and defend your obscene ranking.
I don't think it's obscene.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I think what's obscene is the fact that ECR has
Travis Etn at RB thirty And all I'm saying with
my ranking is that I don't think Travis Etn will
be the player that leads this backfield. I think if
we're dividing between these three players, my chips are going
to be behind Bachel Tuton considering draft capital, considering a
new head coach, and no previous allegiances to Tank Bigsby

(15:52):
and Travis Etn. Considering where Travis Etn and Tank Bigsby
are at in their careers. And I know Tank is
getting some love hype streets out of camp and stuff
like that, but we know that he's probably not going
to have a pass game role baseil Touton could have that.
We've seen the utility in college as well as the
explosiveness both at the combine and in the collegiate level.

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And Etn is not a player like if we want
to be drafting the leader of this backfield, people are
saying in ECR that it's Travis Etn at RB thirty.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I say that's wrong.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Etn last year looked like a player who was on
his last legs and I understand, Okay, well, maybe some
of that's injuries. How do you know that Travis Eten
is going to stay healthy this upcoming season?

Speaker 1 (16:31):
And do we really want to.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Invest in a player that last year was forty fifth
and miss tackles force per attempt thirtieth in yards of
to contact per attempt. Everybody touts about how great of
a pass catcher he is, although he's never crested over
one point two yards per route run in his NFL's career,
as well as is Liam Cohen going to trust him

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on passing downs considering Travis Etn last year fifty eight
pass blocking snaps, eight eight hurries and thirteen pressures allowed,
Trevor Lawrence is if you're gonna trust his former collegiate
teammate if that continues in twenty twenty five. So while
ECR believes it'll be Tank or they're saying loudly that
it'll be Travis Etn, I say ECR is wrong.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I say it's Bacial Tutin. All right, So public defender
of the ECR. I of course you do, of course
you do. Let and look, I think this one is
right here. This is a slam dunk for you. That
first one might have been a little tough. I think
I just feel like I think your heart was in
that one. I think, deep down like you kind of
want a camp scat of it to be a raging success.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
This one's a little different. Bachiel Tutin is speedy.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
You know, no doubt about that explosive great forty times
at the combine five nine, two oh nine. Not the
biggest back obviously, but again, the game has changed considerably
involved over the last five years, so those backs certainly
have a place now in the NFL. But he does
have a crowded depth chart, and I think that is
the thing we're all trying to work out here. It's
not so much if Bachiel Tutin can become a useful guy,

(18:03):
but it's more of a when scenario, Terrell. So let's
talk about that, because I think the ECR is baking
into here at fifty two, which ironically after we put
the show together is even moved up to forty nine
right now, so it's right in that round fifty range.
There are two other very capable guys ahead of him,
and for a rookie head coach, maybe you don't want

(18:24):
to rely on the rookie running back.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, And I also want to say that my allegiances
on this episode have really been tested because not only
as a Bishale suit in a former North Carolina A
and c Aggie Miyama mater, but he's also a Virginia
Tech Kogi a team that I wish I could have
played for. So here we go. But I'm here to
talk about evidence. Piece of evidence Number one Exhibit A

(18:48):
li Liam Cohen's history with running backs because he was
the officeive coordinator that was in charge of whatever was
going on in the Rams backfield in twenty twenty two,
that same backfield where it was dark Henderson, then it
was Cam Akers, and then it was Darnell Henderson again.
Then it was Kyen Williams, then it was Ronnie Rivers,
then it was Malcolm Brown, then it was Cam Akers again,

(19:08):
all of that confusion. So we go back a couple
of years to that, and hey, he feels comfortable with
whoever he has in that moment. He likes the person
that can run the ball, that's going to be the runner.
If you have the ability as a pass catcher, that's
going to be the pass catcher. He did the same
thing in twenty twenty four with Bucky Irvin and Rashad White.
He said, Bucky Avern, you're my runner. I'm going to

(19:28):
run you into the ground. I enjoy running the football
with you. Now you're a good pass catcher. Rahan White
is a good pass catcher. Y'all can both catch him patches,
but you're going to get the run. Tank Bisbee seems
like he could be the runner that Liam Cohen falls
in loved with, just like he fell in love with
Cam Akers, just like he fell in love with Bucky Irvin.
So I think that already you're looking at one part

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of the running back backfield locked up. Tank Bigsby is
going to be the leading rusher of this team. Now
it's about who's going to get the pass catching work.
It could be a split, or he could just go
with the easy answer, as you said, and go with Travistn,
who has been profiled as a pass catching back. And
if you go back and you look at some of
that Bucks film, it was a lot of usage and
it was a lot of scheme that was going into

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those running back passes, and so this could be the
best system for Travis Etn to ever thrive as a
passer here under Liam Cohen, and that would make him
relevant for at least one more year. But Sean Suton
has some of the same issues as Travistn as well
when it comes to the pass blocking. So it's not
like you're getting a way better pass blocker in two
and then you're getting an eatn because two wasn't even

(20:33):
the best pass blocker in his team last year. So
I think that there's a good possibility that you're looking
at this and you're saying, yeah, Twoton could be great,
but he's got a really, really hard uphill battle and
it is going to take an injury. It's going to
take something else to make him fantasy relevant week after
week after week. Maybe best ball. He's interesting, but I'm
not there for redraft yet.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Darryl here, wait, wait, wait one moment. Settle down, simmer down,
settle down now. Sorry, I want to let some of
the people here speak because a lot of the chatter
here in the chat Daryl is talking about a lot
of other people talking about it is the whole trying
to play bingo with your lineup, the running back by committee.

(21:12):
Nobody ends up winning sometimes with that because it's different
schemes against different teams in different weeks. That's what's very frustrating.
So I will let you have your closing arguments. Let's
put the poll up for the jury, and then the
court will now hear Derek Brown and his big mouth
go ahead, what do you have next here? I mean,
I just want to present another piece of evidence. You
can they're deliberating. Let's put the poll up as you deliberate.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Goad the public defender represented a piece of evidence about
Liam Cohen. I would also like to offer up to evidence.
Can we also discuss Bucky Irving last year for Liam
Cohen and who is the closest I'll allow it backfield
of Bucky Irving with allow any baseial toot in your honor.
So I just want to also, if we're going to
discuss the evidence surrounding Liam Cohen, I would like to

(21:56):
deliver all of the evidence and not just a cherry
pick it.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Oh whoa, whoa, I object, your honor.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
I knew you would.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
I didn't cherry pick there. I do think that Hey, there.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Comes the entire case you had your moment, Derek Brown,
I will hold you a contempt.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
You're welcome, Setty. There is there is a role there.
The Bucky Irving role was not only just half of
a pass catching role, but he was the main running
back role. That's going to tank Bigsby. I think that
work is going to take Bigsby now tak Bigsby just
doesn't have the profile to go out there and be
the pass catcher. And that's where you may find a
role for two in. But I'm not drafting too in

(22:34):
just to get a split time cast pass catching back.
I want somebody that's going to get that tough on
the ground yards work. And it seems like all of
that work is going to go to Tank Bigsby, just
like all of the majority of that work went to
Bucky Irving last year, and just like in twenty twenty
two when majority of that work went to Cam Akers.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Another question here, Trell, that I'm gonna let you answer here,
which is sometimes we get in danger of copying and
pasting what coach is going to do just because you
saw an offensive coordinator once upon a time with another team,
do that then get a head coaching job, and we
all say, oh, it's just gonna be like this. That's
not always the case. Don't you think that's a little
bit of a danger zone sometimes, because sometimes that comes

(23:14):
down from the head coach and what the identity of
the offense is supposed to be, not necessarily the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah, no, I one hundred percent agree. Like he's not
Greg Roman. Greg Roman is not going to change for
anybody he doesn't care who his coach is, Greg Roman
is going to do his thing. So there is a possibility.
I think all of that comes into play. But in
this case, I think that adding in the history, adding
on top that he has two capable running backs ahead
of him, who I do think both have a role

(23:40):
in the offense, it just doesn't seem enough where I'm
willing to take him above some of the guys that
are listed.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
All right, there was just also, to be clear, so
the projections there again a small typo in that. So
just to be clear, we're not looking for him to
get fourteen hundred yards just that's that's not what we're
looking for here. But discuss here the jury deliberation as
we continue to go through here. So right now the

(24:06):
jury is telling me, yes, we do have a verdict
and this one is decisive now not nearly decisive as
the Campskataboo one. But he is super fun and if
you love football, it's hard not to love Campscataboo.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
But bachhell Tuton I also love.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Problem is I'm drafting of my Dynasty ladies, not my
redraft leagues, and it looks like the jury is in agreement.
They like Tuton a lot. He's not in love with
him right now. It's certainly not with the aggressiveness. Derek
Brown bit off more than he could chew, and he
is choking on his own ranking because sixty seven percent
say that they are not drafting Base, shall Tutin get

(24:42):
out of my court room, Base, shall Tutin, You're not
getting drafted this year, not at the Derek Brown value.
But here's the question. This is kind of the bigger
picture here. Who's the best value in that backfield? Or
shows you that the best return on investment in that
backfield based on their eighty de bro Because although I
know you're gonna say too automatically here, I would assume,

(25:05):
but in terms of the clarity of the past, I
mean ATM is certainly pretty cheap, Bigsby is not far
after him. Don't you think those guys are pretty good
for turns on investment too, with maybe a little bit
more floor.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, I mean, for me, I think it's it's every
back in that backfield not named Travis et In, So
whoever's gonna go later on shooting or if it's Tank,
I want to take shots on either one of those guys.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Terrell do you agree with that statement.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Just out of curiosities, I'm just all in on Tank
Bisbee this year. I think that his role and he
doesn't need the pass catching work that he's gonna get
all of the short yards, the goal line work, and
the main rushing work. I think that they're gonna just
keep force feeding him the ball. He's gonna look great.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Ironically, you know who was all in on Tank Bigsby
last year, That handsome young man down there, the bald one,
Derek Brown. I used to be bald, and then I
became a judge. Now I'm not anymore. I don't have
that problem. But to buy yourself some hair these days,
like there's nobody. That's what happens when you take when
you take bribes, that's what happens. This is the beauty
of being a judge. But think about this, like, there

(26:08):
was nobody last year, nobody that was ahead of the
Tank Bigsby curb more than Derek Brown. So I want
to give you a little bit of credit there. Perhaps
you are the Jaguar running back whisperer. After all, we
shall see. Before we get to the next person on
our list to discuss, quick shout out to don't forget
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(26:29):
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(26:55):
time without any more annoyances. Besides myself and Derek Brown,
Let's get to the next player on our list. Bring
him into the courtroom. This is a player too that
I think all of us think have has potential in
twenty twenty five. That's for sure. Certainly a lot of
guys mixed into this wide receiver corps as we change
our patterns here and positions away from the running back

(27:18):
and now looking towards the wide receiver. This wide receiver
resides in San Francisco, and he's a tough guy. He
got shot last year and still played. And it's weird
that that's the second guy in two years that's gotten
shot and then played professional football. I'd like to have
a twenty twenty five where that doesn't happen. I'm just
saying that right now, the gods of football listening, Let's
not have that happen anymore. And that seems like a

(27:39):
terrible thing. But Ricky Piersall this year ECR of forty four,
that's where he is going to be currently drafted. However,
that young man down there, Derek Brown, thinks that that
is not aggressive enough. He's got him at wide receiver
thirty three. Now this is a leap of faith, but
at the same time it's also very wise because you

(28:01):
do have Juwan Jennings holding out, you do have Brandaiyuk
returning from major surgery. You also have George Kittle another
year older, and CMC who knows, and we could never
really trust the forty nine ers on what they tell us.
So let's bring Ricky Piersall into the courtroom. Put him
on the stand. Court is in session. Ricky Piersoll, should

(28:23):
we draft him? Should we not? Terrell Furman Junior, I
will let you first defend the ek CR, the expert
consensus ranking, because I think the expert consensus ranking is reasonable. Personally,
it's in the view of this court that Ricky Pearsall
is a very nice investment with upside. But why do
I want to be more aggressive on him when I
can wait and still get him anyway? That is the

(28:44):
tough part here, trying to wrap my mind around Derek
Brown's argument. I'm gonna let him stew in that for
a moment. You talk to me about why Ricky pearsol
at forty five is where he should be going.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Well, first, I would like to object and say that
Jean Jennings is not holding out. He's in fact holding in.
He is at training camp.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
He's sting and he's.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Saying I'm here and hey, look, when the opportunity comes,
I'm trying to take my spot back as the number
one with injuries. That's the only time he's the number
one with injuries. What's going on this season injuries. We
don't know when Brandon Nayuk is coming back. You got
most of the players that are dealing with injuries, including
Ricky Pearsall just coming back from a hamstring. You got

(29:28):
Coliing that's dealing with another injury. Even Juwan Jennings has
a little banged up, like this whole wide receiver room
has been all messed up. But guess what Juwan Jennings
last year? And Deebro knows this because Deebro has Juan
Jennings ranked relatively high as well. Weeks ten through eighteen,
twenty five point one percent target shared during those weeks,
he was the guy. Even just watching, not even even

(29:51):
interesting fantasy, just watching, you saw brod Purdy get a
comfortability with Juwan Jennings, And so is Pearsal going to
be good?

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
But I want to argue for Debro because I looked
at Deebro's rankings and I saw him he had Juwan
Jennings under him. He had Josh Downs and Rama Doonsay
under him, two players that I think have a more
clear defined role in their offense and prime for big years.
He's got Jordan Addinson under him, who I think has
a defined role, who is primed for a big year.

(30:23):
And Debro likes the quarterback over there too. So I
am just curious on how Ricky Piersoll gets to jump
all of these other players when CMC is coming back.
That's another impact to this team, to this offense that's
going to be felt. So he's gonna be competing. I
think that's going to be a lot of CMC George Kittle,
and then everybody else is just going to kind of

(30:44):
get in where they fit in, and it's going to
be a little bit of roulette.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
I will give you this. Terrell Ferman Junior has done
his homework today, folks. He has done his homework and
he has studied with due diligence. Here the rankings of
Derek Brown. He's really kind of coming for you a
little bit. Dear d. What do you think of that?
I mean, he's basically saying that you're out of order.
Your rankings are out of order. This whole courtroom is

(31:10):
out of order. So talk to me about Ricky Piersol
because I understand maybe ranking a guy where he might finish,
but again, this is draft season. It's one thing to
be aggressive, it's another thing to be out of control.
Ricky Piersall at thirty three in your rankings, forty four
in ECR.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
That's over ten spots difference. That's a big cavern.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
We're talking about a wide receiver four more of like
a fill in bye week guy, or maybe more of
a flex guy at wide receiver thirty three. He has
to be a number three consistent all the time.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Let's have a one hundred foot viear Boys judge, Joey,
would you like to invest in an extremely talented former
first round NFL drafted wide receiver that flashed And I
will admit this in a small sample, but did flash
in the rookie season, surrounded by a twenty seven year
old fourth year breakout another wide receiver coming off of

(32:09):
torn acl and we still know and believe that this
offense is going to be top ten and top twelve
in scoring. That's what I'm saying with my chest that
I want to believe in that player in Ricky Piarsoal,
who also win the forty nine ers last year, asked
him to step up and show can you be a
guy we can lean on going into the twenty twenty
five season. Ricky Pearsall emphatically answered the bell the final

(32:34):
two weeks of the regular season Wide receiver seven, Wide
receiver fourteen in fantasy scoring. So, while it seems aggressive,
I'm ranking this guy as a OH top thirty six
wide receiver. This man when he was a focal point
of the offense produced top fifteen numbers and back to
back weeks while also garnering almost a twenty two percent
target share two point eight four yards per route run.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
And yet this is.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Not a player that we want to be investing in.
Oh and just like mister Furman laid out here, Juwan
Jennings is also having issues wanting a new contract and
is still as of today recording this and discussing this
in this courtroom, still not present at practice because he
is dealing with a calf injury, while Ricky Piersoll is

(33:18):
a full go in practice.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Let the show Check show might want to hear this practice.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
You might want to hear this trail because it might
help your argument. It might not, But I just want
to lay this out there too. Those two weeks that
Derek Brown's talking about Week eighteen, nobody plays defensive week eighteen,
and certainly not the Arizona Cardinals, who by the way,
used their entire draft this year to just take defensive players.
That's how bad their defense was. And then Week seventeen
of Detroit Lions offense, where he did have eight catches

(33:52):
for one hundred and forty one yards in a touchdown,
But did we not also see that Detroit Lions offense
get lit up at home just a few weeks later
in the playoffs with all the injuries that they had
by the Washington commanders. The answer is emphatically, yes they did.
So I'm not sure by that measuring stick if that
is where we want to put all our eggs in
that basket necessarily. Now, I'm gonna let the jury deliberate

(34:14):
after this. Are just the facts, Just the facts, that's
what we're about here. Derek Brown is right, he did finish.
Actually he was wrong. You finishes wide receiver eight and
wide receiver fourteen unless he's talking about PPR leagues, I'm
not sure. And half PPR was wide receiver eight not seven.
So again there's a little details. But I'm watching you Brown.
I got my eye on you, Derek Brown. Treel Furman Jr.

(34:36):
You had an objection. Let's hear it here, as the
jury is now in full deliberation.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Vote the poll is up.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Everybody here who's hanging out with us here on the
YouTube channel, go ahead, vote in the poll. Go ahead,
Treel Firman Junior. The court will now hear your objection.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Oh no, it was just debro coming from my guy
Jennings who just got hurt in practice when Pearsall missed
the whole trading camp before that. So I think that
we're a little bit closer of we're talking about ot
as he missed the first half of training camp. The
day that Juwan Jennings went out was the first day

(35:10):
that simmer down, Derek simmer Down, don't give me an
ai reference and try to make me keep a straight
face here.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
You know, all right, but that's it. That's all you got.
I thought you had more. All right, fine, no.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
He throw it off here, But no I am. I
am emphatically, emphatically out on the forty nine ers offense
as a whole. I think that it still will be
stepped back. And that is one where I say, I'm
if every if the forty nine ers offense is still
the top ten offense and there's still this great offense,
then I'll correct that I'm wrong and piersow is probably
gonna be good. But I also am lower on the

(35:47):
forty nine ers offense and saying that they're probably not
gonna be as good as everybody thinks they are.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Now, this could be a circumstance where I would offer
arbitration here and say somewhere in the middle. But I
have to be honest looking at Ricky Pierce on a
forty five, going in between Downs and Pittman again question
marks there with their offense as well. Going after Deebo
Samuel makes sense there too. I think I think you know,
Debo with a chip on his shoulder is intriguing to
me at least, But going ahead of Cooper Cup Brandon Ayuk,

(36:15):
that all makes sense to me that I think EASR
might have it right personally, That's what I think. But
to Derek Brown's point, I do think there is a
world we live in where his ranking ends up being
the correct finishing spot. So it's whether or not you
want to draft him at where he finishes or do
you want to draft him at where he's going at ADP,
which is also reasonable, So please jury take that into

(36:37):
account when giving your final verdict here. Now Prodigy also
brings up a point, Derek Brown, the forty nine ers
do have a soft schedule. Does that enter into your
psyche and your ranking as well? It definitely does.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Good players play well and we know this team is
going to put up a ton of points. Bad defenses
raise the ceiling in the floor. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Darrel also says that the American courts is so much
more lively than our courts. Yeah, will Canada. Everyone's much
nicer and smarter in those places. Not here, not here,
We let it all hang out. It's a it's a
big mess. Here's another one from jaw here. Ricky Piersoll
probably gonna be the easily between the third and fourth option.
If CMC can't stay healthy, it will be even more.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
But look, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
It's like, if you're starting off as the third or
fourth option and guys are getting hurt ahead of you,
Sure there's opportunity, but it does mean you have to
have a little bit more luck go your way in
Ricky Piersall. Well, the jury has deliberated and the verdict
is in this time around. Guess what, boys and girls,
the jury says, we are drafting Ricky Piersall seventy one

(37:44):
percent case is dismissed. You draft Ricky Piersaw aggressively this season.
That's what the jury wants to do there, And I
understand why. I understand why there were some glimpses at
the end. Treell Firman Jr. Here's the big question Kenny
get there without any of these injuries. Can he get
to that spot just by outplaying everybody else on the

(38:07):
depth chart?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, I think he can. I think there's a possibility.
I just think it's highly unlikely. I think that there's
a lot of touches that are gonna go still Christian
McCaffrey and George Kittle's way, and then it's gonna be
an onslought between him and Juan Jennings, and it's gonna
be one week is him, one week is Jennings, one
week is nine, one week is both is up and down.
And I think in bestball, I like that. I like
that thought and that I can get those good weeks

(38:30):
when they happen, But trying to pick them out in redraft,
I'm not there yet, all right.

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It's time for another debate here over at Fantasy Football
Draft Court. This time we are going to have another
wide receiver, but we are back to the rookies now.

(39:47):
This guy could be the X wide receiver. He could
get even more work potentially if Quentin Johnston keeps dropping
footballs and that seems to be his mo with his
frying pan hands. However, Trey Hawar is still a rookie
and has to earn his way with a salty, old
veteran coach in Harball. So we'll see if that can
happen for the Chargers. Let's bring Trey Harris into Fantasy

(40:10):
football draft court. It's time to deliberate. Are we drafting
him or are we not? Derek Brown is aggressive on
Trey Harris as am I. But Derek Brown is a
little bit more aggressive than Judge Joey is Terrell Furman JUNR.
The ECR is at fifty seven quite reasonable, I would say,
dare I say a value in that spot at wide

(40:30):
receiver forty four a little bit more aggressive? Now we're
talking about a guy who's really got a contribute at
that range. At wide receiver forty four, we're talking about
where Ricky Piersoll's being drafted. Where you're getting a Mecca
egg Buca who had more draft capital, but also a
crowded situation there for him. Second year wideouts like Keon Coleman,
and then guys in new places like Stefon Diggs and

(40:52):
Deebo Samuel.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
So I'm a little tough to sell on this one.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
But debro someone wants and said that you could sell
a catchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves. So
I'm gonna let you try to do that today and
see if you can sell me on Trey Harris at
wide receiver forty four. The floor is yours.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
We want to invest in talented players. That's where we
should start this conversation. Then talent is a reflection or
targets and volume are a reflection of talent, and Trey
Harris has the talent for a player that over the
last two collegiate years was ranked first and ninth in
yards per route run, then we know that he's gonna
get catchuple targets and really good quarterback play from Justin Herbert.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
So we were discussing here, what's the path that Trey.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Harris doesn't make it and doesn't pan out at this
ranking that I have set forth. Okay, people are going
to point to Quentin Johnston and they're gonna look at
his touchdowns, They're gonna look at the final season stats.
When I say the final season's stats for Quentin Johnston
last year.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Lie to you.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
When you look at seven hundred and eleven receiving yards.
Does everybody understand and Judge Joey brought this earlier, but
week eighteen, how much does it matter? For Quentin Johnston
Week eighteen accounted for twenty six percent of his receiving
yards for the entire season. If you take that massive
game out, Quentin Johnston had only an eighteen percent target share.

(42:13):
He only had thirty seven point five receiving yards per game.
I'm sorry, people, but there's not going to pay the
bills and those are not going to earn targets for
QJ in twenty twenty five with Trey Harrison now in
this offense, Trey Harris is already popping off at camp
hype reels and clips for days, every single day at practice.
He's going to surpass if he hasn't already. Quentin Johnson

(42:35):
in this target pecking order, being justin Herbert's clear number
two that can not only stretch a defense but work
underneath as an awesome wide receiver four with upside for
the Chargers and fantasy managers.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
All right, there you go. I've taken some shots there
at Quentin Johnston, but I like the math. Math is
math is good, and there I have checked it. It
does check out there, tell Furman Junior. Again, it's not
so much whether you like Trey Harris or not, it's
whether or not you want to be aggressive because you
believe he becomes the X early in the year and
really becomes a huge contributor. That is really the question.

(43:10):
So ECR of fifty seven very reasonable, But again let's
defend maybe some of the shortcomings or maybe some of
the things we haven't thought about when it comes to
selecting Trey Harris this year.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
If you want to be aggressive, yes, and if you
want to be aggressive, I understand it, but I just
don't know if this is the player I'm ready to
be aggressive about, which just not understanding. Okay, what is
the Quinn Johnston impact this year? Because you got to
give it to him. He's now a third year wide receiver.
This is the breakout year of wide receivers, of when
they really really start to put together. And the new

(43:43):
coaching staff has proven that, hey, we have a level
of trust in this guy. We see him get better.
He got better with the yards after the catch and
being able to break tackles off of the previous season
now and the touchdown apartment. Thirty three percent of his
fantasy points came from touchdowns. I don't think that's going
away now. I think I think the only thing that
happens into that is now Trey Harris and quin and Johnson,

(44:04):
who are two both pretty big wide receivers, are going
out and battling for those touchdowns from Justin Herbert, and
so I think they eat into their own production and
they bring their both each other down. You look at
two years ago, Justin Herbert's Week one through fourteen, he
did not support a second wide receiver. It was just
Keyan Allen at wide receiver eight. Quinton Johnson was seventy eight.

(44:24):
Palmer was eighty neck the last year then he was able. Okay,
some of those plays went into Johnston deebro product. The
good angle off, A lot of it came in week eighteen.
I'm fine with that. But I just I, for one,
somebody who's not big on Justin Herbert and says, hey,
Justin Herbert kind of gets it for him. He gets
it for his top guy, but really nobody else in
the offense.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
So good points here made by both gentlemen here about
Trey Harris. Trey Harris certainly a guy who has a
lot of opportunity this year, and for everyone who's always
worried about the Chargers and they well, they're gonna be wordy,
run heavy, yes, but come on, Herbert's still gonna throw
for four thousand yards. It's gonna go to somebody here, Okay,
So it's not all gonna go to lad Maconkie. He's

(45:06):
not gonna have two thousand yards receiving. Now, I will say,
on Qj's defense, he did have eight touchdowns last year.
Would you have more if you could catch a few
more balls? Probably, But again, it certainly was better in
year two. Was it good in year two? That's tough
to defend. So let's put it to the jury and
let you decide here on Fantasy Pros. Don't forget to

(45:26):
like this stream while you're watching it, and of course,
subscribe to Fantasy Pros. Drop your comments below, and it's
time for you to vote on Trey Harris. Are we
drafting him or are we not? Are we being aggressive
here in the Derek Brown world or are we going
to just say, yeah, you know what, let him fall
in ECR. Let's see what everybody else decides. And Derek,
I'm getting a little tired of people telling me about

(45:48):
you know, the the Jim Harbaugh Well, they're never gonna
throw the football stuff. Like I heard that noise last
year and that's why everybody was trying to tell me
all you're crazy for thinking lad maconkie could go in
there as a rookie and be a tar. And guess
what they were wrong. Judge Joey was right. Lad McConkie
was a star. Here's the question with lad McConkie kind
of being the favorite target. And we do have Amari

(46:12):
and Hampton there now and Nauji Harris and I think
two more capable running backs and also capable of catching
the ball out of the backfield. Do you think that
there's the style of offense caps Trey Harris to a
certain degree.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
I think the style of offense can honestly help Trey
Harris because if you look at Greg Rohman's history, they
do not highly throw to the running backs in his
offensive scheme.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
So this is also an offense.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
That quietly last year Week seven through eighteen, the Chargers
were eighth in neutral passing rate, sixth and pass right
over expectation.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
And while we all could say.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Greg Rohman is going to run the ball, we know
what Greg Roman.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Likes to do.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Can we also also give Justin Herbert a little bit
of respect here and say that he's arguably the best
passer that has ever conducted the Greg Roman offense. And
this is no shade to Lamar Jackson, but Lamar Jackson,
the passer with Greg Roman was there is not Lamar
Jackson who he is now true as an NFL player.
So we could see and I'm not saying top ten

(47:10):
passing rate, but could we see them at least league
average as far as how much they're throwing the football.
And Toterrell's earlier point about Quinton Johnston and what he
did or didn't do last year, Yes, the Chargers have
so much faith in Quentin Johnston that they went out
and they spent a second round pick on Trey Airis
to add to this offense. That shows how much faith
that they had at Quentin Johnston after last year.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
All right, before the poll comes in here on the
final deliberation regarding Trey Harris's value, Terrell, let's talk about
Justin Herbert a second, A guy who took the league
by storm, set a rookie passing wreckerd for yards, then
following up with five thousand the next year than forty
seven hundred, then an injury, but he bounced back for
thirty eight seventy last year, just twenty three touchdowns and

(47:53):
three interceptions. You like the ratio, but you'd like to
see a little bit more touchdowns if indeed Justin Herbert
can get back to the twenty five to thirty range,
or you know, maybe dare I say more than thirty?
Could Trey Harris end up being more of a wide
receiver too, where Lad mccaukee finishes a wide receiver one
in fantasy? Could that be there? And all of a

(48:14):
sudden we're looking at a much younger, more explosive charger
offense than we even could have imagined.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah it could, and hopefully George not George, but Greg
Roman doesn't tank it because I'll argue that Lamar Jackson
was always the passery was it's because Greg Roman was
running the offense and didn't let him do any of it.
It didn't let him showcase safety of it at all.
And so they really start playing around with that offense.
And then they start tickering around with Justin Herbert trying
to fix something that isn't broken. Then he could have

(48:42):
that step back, and that's where I'm seeing. Oh yeah,
it's a little bit lower on the wide receiver twos
in the Justin Herbert offense. But yeah, of course Justin
Herbert goes and those out four thousand yards. You would
think a wide two emerges from that, but it just
hasn't always been the case with this and in Greg
Roman's offense.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
In general, injection sustained very good, very nice that Greg
Roman didn't let Lamar do enough.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I love Lamar, and Lamar is showing everybody how good
Lamar is right now, and he's talking about himself in
the third person, I hope, just like I am. All right,
let's get to the jury's final verdictier sixty eight percent.
It is not close again this time, though, we are
going with saying yes to the Harris. That's right, we

(49:25):
are drafting Trey Harris. We're being aggressive. Derek Brown gets
another victory, much of the chagrin of myself and Terrell
Furman Junior. I'm still drafting him the costs though I'm
where Terrell is in the ECR. I love Trey Harris,
but I love him because he's of value and because
I feel like those casuals won't do it. So I
will say this to everybody out there in the casual
fantasy football leagues. Just let him sit there at ADP.

(49:48):
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today is not a running back. No, no, it is
not a wide receiver. It's a quarterback that happens to

(50:52):
be not quite a rookie. JJ McCarthy did not play
in his first season due to a very sad knee injury.
We had to wait a little bit longer, and that
was sad for all of us. Now, the good news
was the Viking somehow resurrected the corpse of Sam Darnold
and got him all the way to the playoffs. Quite
a job there by one Kevin O'Connell. But now we're

(51:13):
going to finally see JJ McCarthy. The problem is we
see him a little differently. The ECR has him at
QB twenty fair nice SUPERFECS value. I like where he
is as a low end QB two even better, yet
as my third QB. If I could somehow wrangle that, ooh,
it's a sexy upside there. However, Derek Brown, I don't

(51:33):
know if he got into the stash that all the
drug Enforcement Agency guys got and he went a little
too hard the night before on this ranking. Because his
ranking is a QB nine. I think he did his
rankings looking a little bit like scarface at the scene
at the desk potentially there but QB nine. To say
that's aggressive would be the understatement of the century.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
But I'm here for it.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I want to hear it, and I want to build
the tension. So let's bring JJ mc carthy officially to
the table. Corner is in session on JJ McCarthy, Terrell
Furman Jr. I want you to lay down the tracks
a little bit here, lay down the groundwork of somesanity here.
I mean QB twenty for a guy who's never thrown
a pass in the NFL, seems optimistic and realistic.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Would you agree, Yes, it's a very very solid floor
that is going on with JJ. And I can understand
debro as a much of a lot of people. You
want a draft on the ceiling, and is this ceiling
QB nine? Well, Sam Darnold was QB nine last year,
so I think his ceiling can be QB nine for sure.
I'll give you that. But for him to be QB nine,

(52:37):
he would have to have over three hundred fantasy points
this season, which is effectively his rookie season. You go
and look at rookie quarterbacks that were able to mask
that fantasy total, and you have Cam Newton, Justin Herbert,
and Robert Griffin. Third outside of that, CJ. Stroud in
twenty twenty three only gotto two eighty, which still brings

(52:58):
him in the fourteen fifth team quarterback range. Here, So
do I like JJ? Do I think that Kevin O'Connell
has a good thing going. Yes, he made Sam Darnold relevant,
I get it, but JJ is still everybody. It's the
experience you have to play football and we feel a
lot better. Could you be a Jaylen Daniels, Absolutely, but
I didn't profile him as Jayalen Daniels or I would

(53:19):
have had him as the Giants quarterback. I would have,
but he didn't profile as good as Jakes Daniels. I
don't think the talent is there, and I think that
there'll be different quarterback situations that will come up and say, hey,
maybe thirteen, maybe twelve this week, maybe ten. Maybe as
a good week here, maybe it's a bad week there.
I'm not one hundred percent sold that he's just gonna

(53:41):
vault Dak Prescott and all these other guys into being
a top ten quarterback. So I'm gonna draft closer to
his floor than his ceiling.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I gotta say, it's not that I don't like JJ McCarthy,
but the amount of failure ahead of him that has
to happen for not just his success to drag him
in the top ten QB, but it's the failure of
everybody else ahead of him, and multiple failures that has
a tough pill to swallow. That's a tough pill for
me to swallow. Here, Derek Brown, justify yourself right now

(54:11):
the court. We'll hear your argument for JJ McCarthy at
QB nine.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Why do we not love JJ McCarthy and Kevin Connell
enough that that is what we're saying in ECR. That
is what everybody's saying. Although we just saw the reclamation
project to Sam Donald and mister Furman brought this up.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
He was QB nine.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Do we all think that Sam Donald is a better
quarterback than JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
I don't, and other people shouldn't either. For a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
In his final collegiate season, he ranked inside the top
twelve quarterbacks in fbs in passing grade, adjust to completion
rate yards per attempt. Not done yet people adjust a
completion rate on deep throws and adjust to completion rate
versus pressure in the context of a Vikings offense that
we know is going to be pass happy. So for

(54:58):
everybody that says, oh, they're going to run the black
based off of what they threw the ball at a
top five clip with Sam freaking Donald under center, last year,
this offense was eighth, the neutral passing rate third and
pass rate over expectation. And I'm not alone in this
assertion that JJ is going to be better than what
ECR is saying. Our projections on fantasypros dot Com have

(55:19):
him as q B fourteen, And to to Rivista Furman's
point about hitting three hundred fantasy points right now, we
have a projection of him at two hundred and eighty
nine fantasy points, knocking on the door of three hundred
fantasy points, five points on an entire season worth of
football away from QB twelve.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
So it's not just me you need to believe in.
You need to believe in.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
The projections as well. Where the ECR is wrong, all right,
all right?

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Not bad, not bad? So Derreck Brown, give me this
before I turned over to the jury, because Sam Darnall
last year, just talking about the stats, four three hundred
and nineteen yards passing, thirty five touchdowns, twelve picks, two
hundred and twelve rushing yards, one rushing touchdown, those are
basically the numbers he's got to get to or exceed.
Now I find hard to believe he's gonna get over
that forty three hundred passing mark, but it's the rushing equity.

(56:15):
I think he brings a little bit more with his
legs that could be a little bit more intriguing as
opposed to Sam Darnold is a little bit more of
a statue in the pocket? Is that where you're looking
for the deficit to be made up?

Speaker 3 (56:24):
On fansy points, I will point back to you, Judge
Joey the previous season where we say he cannot make
and the rushing.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Is up for debate. That's fine, we could debate that.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
But what I would like to point out here is
if we go to the previous year and say, okay,
he can't throw for more than four thousand passing yards
because we didn't see a twenty twenty three season where
Kirk Cousins, Jaren Hall, Nick Mullins, Joshua Dobbs combined for
forty three hundred and fifty nine passing yards and thirty
touchdowns in a KOC offense. But we don't think JJ

(56:58):
McCarthy can hit those numbers.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Enrico Palazzo might be onto something here. McArthur could be
top fifteen, but not top ten. I tend to agree.
I will offer you arbitration right now, gentlemen, if you
want to settle at QB fifteen to two of you.
Otherwise I will turn it over to the crazy people
watching this stream today. I'm not settling, Derek Brown refuses.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I'm not settling because he's not settling.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Not settling sounds like when my parents to argue. All right,
let's go to the jury the jury. Are we drafting
JJ McCarthy aggressively at QB nine or we just gonna
let him simmer down there at QB twenty.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
So the poll is up.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
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So here we go waiting on the results here from
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because I think the other thing that's interesting that's tied
to this is the Justin Jefferson draft stock trell that

(57:59):
I see cantinuously moving towards, just like last year, towards
the middle of the draft. I saw somebody get him
at ten last year, which made me laugh out loud.
I couldn't believe he made it that far in a draft.
And this year, I mean, I just got him yesterday.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
What was I four?

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I think yesterday where I took him, and he could
have easily ended up probably five or six, tire. I'm
confident that JJ can sustain Justin Jefferson as a top
two or three overall pick, are you yes?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I am, I will give him that. I think the
talent of Justin Jefferson is just too far aheaded, and
it's actually going to make things a lot easier. And
that's why I think that JJ's gonna actually have a
pretty good season because he has a Justin Jefferson, a
Jordan Addison to throw the football to and make things
a lot easier. Kevin O'Connell has been really really good
at scheming these guys open. So yeah, I think that
Justin Jefferson absolutely, and same thing for Jordan Edison on

(58:49):
the back end. I think Jordan Edison's going a little
bit later than what he probably should be. I will
give that, But it doesn't mean that JJ McCarthy is
a top ten quarterback.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
All right, Eric Brown, I think you can again still
see Justin Jefferson finishing top two or three wide receivers
and JJ McCarthy still finishing somewhere around QB fifteen fourteen.
I think that is realistic. Nine. Again, it's not even
and I like JJ. I'm a fan, and now that
I know you're as big of a fan as you are,
I know this Saturday, when we sit next to each

(59:21):
other in our Flex League draft, if I want JJ McCarthy,
I better take him before you. Is that clear? Is
that is that made clear to me? Better be draft
him aggressively, you know, Joe aggressively. I can't wait to
see it. This is like last year when I drafted
Justin Fields aggressively and everyone looked at me like I
was crazy, and then I was the one laughing when
he was QB six for the first six weeks of
the season. Damn you, damn you, my Tomlin, your poor

(59:43):
decision went undefeated in that league. You did almost but
wasn't meant to be Who beat you in the playoffs?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Do you remember?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I don't know. It wasn't you, though I remember. I
remember kept saying to deebro as a guy who has
won that league three times in six years, I said,
be careful when you have one of these monster regular seasons,
that never ends well. And deeb Row was a monster
last year. He had Jalen Hurts and these stunads let
him get Jaden Daniels in the second round.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Made it all the way back. I couldn't believe what
I was seeing. It hurt my brain.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
All right, this one's very close, gentlemen, the closest one
we've had. The jury is in the vote is in
fifty four percent say that they are drafting JJ McCarthy
draft them aggressively.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
There you go. Don't hate the judge, hate the Jerry baby.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
I got nothing for you. I don't make the rules.
I just execute him, and I am judge. Joey an
executioner around these prices here. Good job, twelve Firman Junior.
Being the public defender is tough. They make you wear
those Swede patches on your jacket. Sometimes show everybody the
Swede patches on your elbows. I think that, yeah, there
you go. They gotta make you wear those. Derek Brown,

(01:00:58):
great job as always, my friend, defending some crazy Uh
I mean at nine is this too rich for not
so crazy? Per consensus? Well, look, we have a lot
of crazies here with us in the chat. But I
love all these crazies. And again, I want everybody here
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Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
That'll do it for us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
But the story, Oh I'm seeing right, I'm seeing Ray
by the way side, bet de bro Patrick, who's higher?

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Oh, now we get in somewhere, JJ, I'll tak all right,
we got it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I got that witness Witness. I am here for it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Let's go, baby, drop your comments. Who's gonna be higher
mahomes are jj oh yeah the comments. I can feel
the buzz on the YouTube street. That'll do it for us.
But the story of the game goes on for Derek
Brown and Treel Firman Jr. I'm Judge Joey. We'll see
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