Fantasy Football Takeaways: Fact or Fiction + Week 15 Waiver Wire & Trade Advice | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1888) - FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is out of bounds.
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subscribe and of course drop your comments below. Gentlemen, another
crazy weekend of football. Hopefully you made some playoffs. It
was very awkward this morning, because I eliminated Fitzi in
the Content League in the playoffs, and I eliminated Derek
Brown in Flex League to make the playoffs. So it's

(01:05):
a little awkward, a little tension in the morning there, Welsh.
I tried to handle as best I could. How many
of playoffs are you in here? As we are heading
here to the week fifteen round one?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Theoretically, Yeah, I'm sure you handled it great. I'm sure
you didn't go like, man, can you believe I didn't
just knock all of you out? You dumb idiots. I'm
so great. Look at me, Joe Piezapia. I'm sure that's
not out with it at all. Pretty much everything, I
mean a majority of them. The Flex League, though, did
get interesting. I'd been on a good tear. I'm gonna
lose this week, but because of the what is it,

(01:38):
the all win or all schedule, whatever the hell is called,
I will pick up a win, and I think that's
gonna lock me in. It should lock me into a
playoff spot. I'll be the final playoff spot in there.
But I think I've only got one league this year
that is a non playoff.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
So I don't know that must be real awkward for
me and Welshin here then Joe, because I just drummed
him out of the super Flex playoffs that we're in
through it. Yell, I beat him and I'm going to
steal a spot.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
So that was the one I was talking I guess leagues. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
at least he's humble about it.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah. Well, look, I'm in the playoffs of the CBS
Experts League and the IDP CBS Experts League. Scott Bogman,
are you proud of your boy? This is the only
IDP league I'm still playing in.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah, God, use my list. I knew you were going
to get well, I mean it's a good list.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
When I got to use your list, of course, go
to use your list. What you're talking about. So hopefully
you're all in the playoffs too, and we're going to
talk about some of the things that went right and
the things that went wrong. A lot of incredible stories here,
obviously in a lot of headlines to get to fact
and fictions. I already see everybody dropping them in Awesome.
We're gonna star them all for the end of the
show real quick. At the top, I also I looked
at Welsh's takeaway and moment. I am not going to

(02:46):
talk about either of those teams at the top and
ruin his moment. I'm trying to be better. This is
my new Year's resolution. I'm starting exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
He didn't look at mine. You were right there, high
line in there.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
I looked at yours, but I might end up purpose.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Okay, okay, all right, that's good.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I know it's funny about that too. What I'm it's
more just a running gag, but you know it's funny
about it. It's probably like the least impactful moments and
takeaways of any single week we've had this entire season.
I'm I'm the lowest level of invested in these because
I just thought it was just like a weird transitional week,
like fantasy playoffs are going through. Some things don't matter.

(03:24):
I just didn't think like there was so much that
like grabbed me and pulled me to make some.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Week and it's the one week.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
So yeah, well, was there a lot that you were
invested in this weekend? You're like, oh my gosh, likely
like like.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, I mean that's the playoff chances for my team,
So I was pretty invested in there.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, I hope you guys.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Do I want you guys to make the playoffs, knock
out the first round so you can have the normal
Mike Tomlin conversation at the end of the year.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
We're two wins away from nine to eight. Baby.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, that's all that we need. That's all that we
asked for, all right.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I start with the big news, obviously, which is the
Daniel Jones injury. It is a brutal, terrible situation here.
It's a non twelve month injury too, so he's going
to take him well into September of next year. So, Bogs,
I'm gonna start with you with the Daniel Jones injury
because this was supposed to be the future. You know,
there's no contract signing yet. He was you know, wait
till the season finished. Maybe kind of play himself into

(04:14):
a franchise tag. Is that what we're doing here? Are
they just going to franchise him? You think this offseason
just to play it safe here? Or do you think
because of the injury now, they might let him go
to free agency and see what kind of bidding he
actually gets.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
No, I think I think you franchise him, and I
think they will, specifically if we do get to see
Anthony Richardson at the end of the year here and
see what he has, and if it's still not good,
you're definitely going to see Daniel Jones get tagged, I
would guess, unless they have somebody else in mind, I
don't know who that would be at this point. So
the draft isn't filled with a bunch of superstar quarterbacks either,

(04:49):
so I think they're gonna end up franchising him and
keeping him. But I also don't think that he is
going to be nearly what he was coming back. He
is twenty eight, so you know, he's younger than some
of those guys we heard Rogers. You know, yeah, they
were much older. But coming back from an achilles injury
is not good for any position, it doesn't matter. And

(05:10):
that's his plant foot as well, So they're going to
rush him back. He's going to come back too soon.
He's going to have a bad year next year.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Like I'll tell you this. Though you say there's not
a lot of quarterbacks out there, there is a certain
four foot seven quarterback that might be available in trades
and call of duty is very far past, so I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Listen, they could get all four to seven of that guy.
If they do think that this is going to be
a bad injury and he's not going to be able
to cover within a year, and we do get to
see Anthony Richardson and see that it's miserable, my guess
is that they're going to keep Anthony Richardson. They're going
to keep Daniel Jones and A rich is not going

(05:47):
to play this season, but he'll start next season for
the first three to four weeks and then DJ takes
over after that. That would be my guest, Did you
guys see this story.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
It's super interesting about Daniel Jones friends, I want to say,
and now I butcher it. It's like some friends from.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Your friends from.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Two of his friends from Duke, Yeah, two of his
thank you, two of his Duke former teammates. They three
D printed a pad that enabled him to play after
that fracture. They created a company called Project three D.
And then they created like another one for or maybe
it was for the phibilave like he's had multiple. They
did it for a broken leg.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
They couldn't have worse advertisement for their product than this guy. No,
but compensating him ripping his achilles up.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
He keeps hurting the things that aren't covered. He's just
gonna essentially be a cyboard with three D printed parts,
brand him a leg.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Let's get it out there.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
All right off Daniel Jones three thousand activated.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
It does make me evaluate though. I mean, that's pretty incredible, friends,
and like, hey, you're hurt. We're going to three D
print you this brace for your leg. And I'm thinking
about this relationship that we have and.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Oh my god, you got you a wig a long
time ago and you refuse to wear it.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yes, well, red is not my color. I mean, what
do you want from me? Shout out to kicking what's up, gentlemen?

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Man?

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I listen to you guys every day, three or four
times on Spotify. Love you guys. Thanks, kick Wood and
look at it. Sixteen teams, super Flex champ two years
in a row. Baby, let's go. That's awesome, Kickwood, love
that again. If you've got questions, drop them in here again,
we're doing generic football stuff here. You've got some playoff questions,
we can do that as well. Factor fictions. We appreciate those,
so drop those in. We love having all of those.

(07:25):
I want to get to the next thing on the
agenda to Bill's Bengals. It's funny because we all the
snow talk and everything going on, all of a sudden
that number one from fifty three and a half to
fifty two and a half to fifty one and a half,
And I'm like, what do you guys? Are you guys
high like this game is going to go into the sixties?
Are you crazy? Like the snow is only going to
make it more insane and worse? And sure enough it did.
Joe Burrow will with the two terrible picks there. Oh,

(07:47):
they were so bad. It really was crushing because Cincinnati
had them ready. They kind of got them right where
they wanted him to. Josh Allen at that one big
run and that did start to move things around. But
you know, there's a ton of time left and Joe
Burrow was feeling it, and obviously, you know Joe Burrow
playing fast and loose is very dangerous. Welsh Uh did Buffalo?
Has Buffalo righted the ship here in these last two

(08:09):
weeks enough now to go to New England and beat
New England? Or is this just the Cincinnati Bengals in
front of you and you look good playing teams like that.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I think it's something that didn't you guys ask me?
Didn't you ask me? Last week? You're like, aren't the
Buffalo Bills done? And the Diners? And it's like no,
it's just like it's super great. Yes, yeah, yeah, but
I mean like done as being a competitive team. No,
I don't think so. Josh Allen kind of always keeps
you in it. They've got I will say, though, it
is weird. Every single week you go and look at
Josh allen stat line and you're like, cool, who's the

(08:40):
dude that like really did it? And it's just always
this just ragtag group of like guys that have three
catches for forty yards. There's nobody that ever yeah that
this week, And it's always just some stupid like they
just don't have any big firepower, but they but Josh
Allen keeps him in it. I don't think this team
is going to go in and beat New England. But
I also don't think this is just like, oh, Cincinnati's

(09:02):
defense is so bad, like they're trying to find levels
of improvement. Joe Burrow has made them better. I just
think they're like the Bengals. The Bills are like the Bengals.
It's just if you can get into a gunfight like
they're gonna keep up with it and you can make
a defensive mistake. Josh Allen is someone that is going
to take advantage of that. That's not the Patriots though,
So I think we're gonna have another conversation next week
where it's like, guys, are the Bills done? And it's

(09:24):
just like, yeah, after they play, the Patriots are gonna
look like they're done.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
All right, speaking of looking done, Baltimore Ravens too. I
know we're gonna talk a little bit more about them
and a little later on the show. But Boggs, I
mean at Ravens defense certainly, not the Ravens defensive. Old.
I know this brings you great joy as I am
setting you up for this. So next week you get
the Bengals and Lamar Jackson. And I know a lot

(09:48):
of people in fantasy been asking all of us, can
I start Lamar Jackson? Go I start Lamar Jackson. It's
been terrible these last six weeks. What do I do?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Boy?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
He's got the Bengals coming up. So if you're in
the playoffs still and you have Lamar Ja, you got
to pla him against the Bengals, right, you have to
feel like from whatever you saw this weekend that this
guy saw him run. You did see him a little
bit more mobile, Yester, Yeah, I thought, yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
We saw him run more.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
I think that's just going to improve as the weeks
go by, moving away from this knee injury. So, and
really what it was, you know, I saw Patrick Queen
follow the tight end and I'm like, Lamar's going right
in the end zone and that's exactly what happened. And
they didn't do that again. You know, he hadn't run
the previous couple weeks. I was like, we need to
spy Lamar. He's still Lamar, And that happened. But the

(10:32):
defense is rough.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Man.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
The Steelers hadn't had a twenty yard pass play in
like four weeks a month, and the first play of
the game they went deep to metcalf and completed it.
They had a couple deep to Metcalf yesterday. So the
secondary is really leaky. But the thing that makes the
secondary leaky is just a lack of pass rush. They
don't put pressure. You never saw Aaron Rodgers more mobile

(10:55):
this year than he was yesterday. Ran into the end
zone for the first time in forced so they're just
not putting pressure on opposing quarterbacks. And it doesn't matter
if you have a host of Pro bowlers on your
back end. If you're not putting pressure on the quarterback,
those wide receivers are going to get open eventually. So, uh,
it just looked bad from that perspective. Also, you know
what's a catch? I'm still not sure.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
So did you think it was? Is this the most
go ahead?

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Real quick?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Is this the most points that this division has like
given up in a singular week ever? I was just
looking at this and thinking about it. The Bengals gave
up thirty nine this year for the brown The Browns
gave up thirty one, and then your game accounted for
forty nine points. I mean, that's a lot of has had.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Some this Steelers have had some bad defensive weeks this year, but.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
This entire division, that's I understand. Yeah, there's always like
one or two this division, your division defense thinks well.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I just don't know, like there was a point where
the Steelers defense was bad. There was no Burrow, there
was no Lamar, and Cleveland had Dylan Gabriel. So there's
definitely could be a week where they gave up more
points than this, but not many this season.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
You're absolutely right about that.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
All right? Circling back real quick too, because I want
to get your take on this. What's the impact of
the Daniel Jones injury to Jonathan Taylor? You never taken
Jonathan Taylor out? Is it a weird way possibly being
a positive for him? Obviously the receiver is gonna be
a downgrade. But is there gonna be just more volume
or just more predictabilities? Right, it's it's it's just it's bad.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
No heat nine in the box, dude, Like it's Riley
Leonard wasn't even a passer in college, right he did?
You know? He went to Duke initially, so he's taught
by Cutcliffe, the same guy who taught Daniel Jones, right,
But he ended up in Notre Dame. But he is
a run first option. He passes when he has to,
and that is not what Daniel Jones was. Daniel, remember

(12:40):
when we looked at it and then run if you
have to.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Remember we looked at the Bengals and we're like, all right,
Burrows out. But like you know, Browning has got Chase
and Higgins and Chase brown and they got a lot
of weapon we had at.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Least seen Browning do it before, and then he just
crapped the bed when he when he started this year.
But I mean, there's a possibility for like one target,
maybe if it's Warren, or maybe if it's screens to Taylor,
to become more valuable than the others. But I just
don't think like Pittman loses value. I think Warren loses value.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Josh Downs and Warren are probably safe.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
He is the only guy that I think I think
Pittman still holds a little bit well.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I mean, he's still an end zone threat because he's enormous, but.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Exactly remember remember all the Jonathan Taylor MVP conversation. It
was like, oh my gosh, everybody what we were talking.
I don't remember if it was Bogg's or you. One
of you guys was like, this was Jonathan Taylor. Yeah,
like jonath Taylor VP stuff.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
They were.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
They were rolling until they played Pittsburgh, right, and then
the Steelers turned him over six times still only won
by a touchdown. So I was like, Okay, you know,
maybe maybe they're just done now that they're turning the
ball over and it's been downhill ever since that game.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
They kind of got figured out.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
And then we found out that uh Daniel Jones had
the fracture of fibula and he was playing through it.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
And then the Achilles and.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Did Taylor might have like thirty touchdowns on a team
that doesn't make the playoffs. Yeah, just very possitive about crazy.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Look as we talked about it, I know, I talked
about all the betting pro shows. I want to say
I've talked about on here too, which was the inevitability
of the Jacksonville Jaguars taking over that division and it
flipped last week, right, and we talked about like okay,
and then they've got the Colts coming in to town.
They never lose to the Colts in their old building.
Even when the Jaguars are terrible, they always be. They
haven't lost to the Colts at Holmes since twenty fourteen. Okay,
it's a long time. So you knew that was coming.

(14:23):
And they had two games against the Titans and the
Colts had two games against the Texans. The schedule was
not in their favor. So if you bet that when
it was three to one, you were in a great spot.
This is a great thing here from I believe it's trillion.
Hopefully I'm saying it right. Greetings from Denmark. Look we're international.
What do you do with Ricky Pierso both in Redraft
and in Dynasty? Love what you guys are doing and
the passion you put into it. That's right, there's a
lot of passion here, Welsh. You're the San Francisco boy.

(14:46):
Why didn't you give us your Ricky Piersoll take in
Redraft and.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
DC super easy Redraft pop kick him to the curve.
There's no reason to hold Ricky Piersaw. He might have
a game, specially I would note this coming off of
a bye week. You definitely could foresee as he's been
trying to get Yeah, you get your literal legs under
you and stuff, and they might want to get the
ball to him. But there's no reason. We're in a

(15:12):
space where it's like you look at Rek Piersaw. You
can't start him all though, like narrative we can create.
You can't start him this week, Okay, then he has
the game and then in week sixteen it's like, okay, dooke,
now let's do it, and then he gets shut down.
I think you got to cut bait with Ricky Piersow.
If there's any viable option in Dynasty. It is a
strict and straight hold. Let them get to next year.
Let him perceivably have a really good, healthy season in

(15:33):
front of him. I think he can be a number one.
Juwan Jennings looks like he is one foot out the
door with all the trade requests. Brandon Aiyuk see a cut.
He's the number one absolute hold, maybe even a slight
buy at his absolute bottom in Dynasty, but redraft unless
there's nothing on the wire, I really don't see why
you would hold on to him.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
All right, let's do the takeaways in the moments. I'll
start with my takeaway of the week. It's time for
the Chiefs to rebuild.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Now.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Don't worry Chiefs fans because this happen into the Patriot
Dynasty too. They had to retool, rediscover themselves, figure things out.
At a certain point, they had to reinvent themselves. And
I think that's pretty clear last night what the Chiefs
have to do. That's from watching last night. The Houston
Texans came in and it was hilarious. And I talked
about this everywhere and every show last week too. The

(16:17):
narrative about well the Chiefs are fighting for the playoffs.
You look at you know, this is that Chiefs trying
to scratch away animal. I was like, what about the
Houston Texans and one of the best defense in the league.
What about the fact they have a better record and
they're fighting for a playoff spot too? Does anybody want
to talk about that? Obviously the Texans covered, they won outright,
So felt pretty good about that wager I made. But
I just don't understand, like, at one point you have

(16:39):
to look in and step back and go, Okay, what
we're doing isn't working. It's time to turn the page
from Travis kelcey. It's time to turn the page from
what we've been doing here, get some real help, because
what's starting to happen is we're starting to live in
that legend of what used to be for the Kansas
City Chiefs, and that's a very dangerous place to be.
And what kept the Patriots a.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Dynasty, I want to yep, and what.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Kept the Patriots a dynasty for twenty years is making
those hard decisions and sending guys packing while they still
had football left in him. And that's something that the
Chiefs really didn't do lately. And it's very difficult because
the fan base goes, oh, why did you get rid
of this guy? Or why'd you get rid of that guy?
Or we loved a him, Vinit Terry, he made all
those big all these players over there, Richard Seymour, I

(17:19):
can go on and on for days and days. They
got rid of guys when they still had football after
the Teenler, Malcolm, all these guys, and what happened. They
kept turning over, kept turning over, and they kept getting
better and better. And I think that's the one thing
the Chiefs have to recognize this offseason and do they
still have the quarterback? Mahomes has a good five six years,
still have good quarterback playing.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
See that's what I was gonna say. I would say,
were you advocating that Patrick Malmes needs to be off.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
The Chiefs, I'm I'm advocating to take less money. He
needs to do what Brady did right exactly. Brady historically
always took money away. He's like, look, I had a
million endorsements, I want to win, take this money back,
Go sign this guy, Go sign that guy. He would
restructure his deal almost every other season. Go back and
look at it, folks. A lot of players don't want
to do that. Eagles don't want to do that. That's
the only way.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
I don't blame a guy for not doing that. But
if you want to be, if you want to be
what Brady was, that's the move you have to make.
You have to take less money so that your team
can afford to sign a big name running back, so
they can afford to fix the offensive line.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
But is not really the problem here. You've argued, Isaiah
Pachecko's talent is so high, and you've got Kareem Hunt,
who's a viable third down back, They've got three Well,
Pachecko at the beginning of the season was like seeing
as like, hey, he's a super talented guy. You've got
three viable wide receivers, a Hall of Fame tight end.
Are they really devoid of talent?

Speaker 3 (18:36):
That's that's called Kelsey's taking them from Kelsey's all the
on line sucks. Pacheco's not the same, right, So what
do you have? You have Patrick Mahomes and you have
Rashi Rice for you know, most of the season, but
not the first month. Worthy has not been nearly what
they thought he was going to be. Yeah, so you
know you need to fix the on line, and you

(18:56):
need to fix the run game. Look, I thought Pacheco
was going to be much better coming back. Maybe that's
next year, right, But you can't wait on that. No,
you can't wait. You gotta go draft a running back
where you have to sign a running back and you
got to fix the old line. You have to and
you have to quick going forward on fourth down.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
The inability that's that's a that's a league wide illness
that's going everywhere where. Especially it's situation again, situation football.
There was my rant last week on this. Let's take
a question here real quick before I get to the
next one, Jamon Broncos. D you see London returning now?

Speaker 5 (19:28):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
I didn't see him returning three weeks ago, which is
why I traded him and I went on my high
horse and all the trade shows about trading him. Welsh,
do you see London coming back this year? There's no reason.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
He seemed like it was a little bit like in
question if he could. Yeah, but I kind of do
think you Yeah, I think he can come back. I
think he will come back. If it's not this week,
it's next.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Week, I'm night game. He's coming back this Yeah, that's
why I.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Mean probably why I didn't play this week.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
That is a possibility. But I think he comes back
week I mean I come back week yeah, maybe, but
he could come back week sixteen. I think for these
type of guys, if you're within reason, you want to
come back to have that fresh look before the season
in so you're not like two months out of football
and then the entire offseason. I think he comes back.
But to your point, Joe, you know you might have
been You're probably gonna end up looking right of getting

(20:14):
what you can for Drake London because guess what if
you're holding on to Drink London. I don't know if
you're going to see week sixteen. Yeah, and when he
comes back and that might have been void.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
He'll come back.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
But he's going to come back just like Jaydeen Daniels did. Right,
Anything squirrely sideways happens. God, he's out, so.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
He had squirrely sideways. I hope that well should not
see the zach Ertz injury because I know he is
not one for those that was that was a really
bad metal James friend of the show always here on
the streams with us pick four to keep it a
full PPR league out, Caleb Burrow, Drake London, Terry McLaurin, Javonte,
Bucky o'lave some good pieces, McBride, Igbuca, Christian Watson ATN

(20:50):
A lot of pieces here, Roman Dunesa, Marion Hampton. For
who are the top four of this group guys.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well, it's definitely Drake, Bucky and McBride, Buka. That's it.
Those are the answers.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
So doonsay is in there?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I would keep Buka over a day ikpig book over
a dune.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Say easy, let's see Bucky. So we said Bucky McBride
is Drake.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's Drake. Well, Drake is in there, Drake London. So London,
Mcbucky and McBride are easy. And then I think also
likeg Buka is easy, but.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
I think so too, London, Bucky Mcbridegbuka. Yeah, yeah, I'm
not really keeping.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Mary Hampton's sliding in there too, which is kind of fun.
But I'll take Bucky over him.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Good choices.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
You should all right, let's get you should make your
league go to eight keepers and then.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
You'd be doing was your big takeaway from WE fourteen?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
What was my big takeaway? My big takeaway? Might know well, no,
we were just we have had some we had some
abrupt changes. We're like chiefs, and then we're into this question.
H Vikings won thirty one to nothing, and you go,
oh my gosh, they were so great. J J McCarthy
was back. That means what Justin Jefferson should have been awesome? Incorrect.

(21:59):
He two catches for eleven yards. It's over, it's done,
it's done. So Justin Jefferson cannot be counted on thirty
one to nothing and he can't get the boy four
targets in the game.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
He finally saw JJ McCarthy look good, and you're gonna
just just Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Because it was involved. He's not involved. He'll never be involved.
JJ McCarthy's not good. And when he is good, Justin
Jefferson's not there. Done done with JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
It's a great look. They left the tight ends wide open.
They caught three touchdowns because.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
They shut down Justine Jefferson because that's all you have
to do.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I'm not I'm not buying that. I'm look, it's been bad,
and I'm not gonna sit here and say that it
hasn't been bad. And I'm not gonna say that he's
definitely a wide receiver, a high end wide receiver one
moving forward. But he is a wide receiver one moving forward,
even if that's twelve or eleven or whatever. Because we
saw McCarthy look good, and you know, go back and
look at his throws outside. He's fine throwing the ball.

(22:55):
He didn't in this game, but he can throw the
ball outside, and even if he can't, they'll work him
over the middle more. So, I think McCarthy is going
to be fine. I think this was a good sign
that McCarthy look good and now he can start getting
the ball to more people. So I think I think
Jefferson is going to be fine during the playoffs. The
sketch is also awesome.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Well, yes, this week, I know this week's game at best,
he's a wide receiver three right now at best. But
he does have the Cowboys this week and that is
a great spot.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
He has the championship week, and I think there's an
easy one in between there.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Every human being, every human being on that defense, defensive
front for the Cowboys and defensive secondary is they're going
to lock down justin Jefferson. So it's going to be Naylor.
It's going to be Addison. It's gonna be everybody but Jefferson.
It can sis JJ McCarthy can't force throws and the
first look can go to Jefferson and he checks immediately
down to the safest option, which is never Justin Jefferson.

(23:48):
So regardless of being the Cowboys, I think he is
at best a wide.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Receiver three Giants Lions in the playoffs. Oh my, that's
that's a great schedule.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Well, he's got to get more of the four targets
a game if he's going to be fans relevant.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Else I want to trade for h we need. Do
you have Justin Jefferson somewhere? Can I trade all the time?

Speaker 4 (24:05):
They're dead?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, all the deadlines are dead. I mean, as long
as go get somebody else next year. Beside JJ McCarthy.
Even when he's good, it's not Jeffery Box.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
What's you takeaway from week fourteen?

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Hold on, Joe, let me get my bet in here.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Oh I don't want to I don't want to bet.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Come on, Well, okay, well you'll say wide receiver three.
I'll say wide receiver one. If he finishes as a
wide receiver two or lower, nobody pays.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
No if he the bet is he has to finish
as a top twelve wide receiver this week. That's what
you say.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
No, no, that's your bet.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
You wanted to bet. No, I thought you wanted to bet.
You don't want to bet now if you want to
interrupt segment, I want.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
I want the bet for the playoffs. Wide receiver won
during the playoffs. If he's three or lower, you win.
How about that if he's a wide receiver, if he no,
If he's wide receiver one, I win. If he's wide
receiver two, nobody wins. If he's three or lower, you win.
That's for the playoffs all three weeks.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I think we pull the chat and I think it's
if he's not a wide receiver one.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Why do you always have to angle this like you're
the house? So you got the extra juice? What below?

Speaker 4 (25:09):
That's that's what you get.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
This game is I win, and it's called.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
The game is no bad's it's heads.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I win.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
To my gentlemen, was the Houston Texans defense is really
really scary? And uh the Chiefs though, did blow this game.
This was a Chief choke job, not a Texans win.
It was them going for it on fourth down. It
was three interceptions from Patrick Patrick Mahomes. It looked awful.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
So what they used to did win.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I still think Jacksonville is going to win that division though,
oh I do too.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
But I think what Houston did effectively is they set
the tone. Same thing with the Patriots defense. So they set
the tone physically. And you know, I think Rushie Rice
is still rolling around somewhere, like, I don't know he
got smacked, Like I'm just saying that.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
That Jalen Petrie hit. I mean, he did look like
a missile.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
What I'm just saying, like, I think when you set
the tone, you play physically. Nowadays, guys aren't ready for
that as much as they used to be, Like, it's
just not something you see as much.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
So it had to be in the head of Rice's
big drop, right, just what was gonna say? Horrible, horrible, right,
But what.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
I'm saying is, you know, you put in the context
of once you start knocking guys around, the drop sees
start happening all over the place. They had they had
nine drops last night, and that is one of those
things like you start hitting guys, they start getting physical next.
And it happened in the Giants game on last Thursday
too with the Patriots and they started knock I mean,
talk about the montage of knocking guys around like they

(26:30):
knocked Gunnarozchewsky's the end off of his helmet. He just
plays for the New York whyse now Like it's like
he just waits for the York Giants, Like they are
knocking guys all over the place.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
And they're not all the Giants of York and they
just like I think it sets a tone, and it
sets a feeling where the guys are coming around the
middle or they're just like looking around and that it's
that one split second where you're off on things but
you're a hundred percent right, like Mahomes did lose that game.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
But give the Texans a little credit, like physically they
are they show up man, and they punch in the mouth.
And I like that and that's why these teams perform
well in December.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think Houston is going to
be a great playoff team if they make the playoffs.
I don't think the offense is going to get him there,
but if the offense gets hot, they can be real
scary in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
We'll see, all right, Bogman, your moment of the week.
I had to do with was it a catch? Was
it not a catch? Is that what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, it's Isaiah Likely dropping the ball in the end
zone and all these people crying about how it was
it was not a catch. You have to it ball
three steps, two steps and then a football move, did
not get that move in, ball popped out and and
he lost it. So, uh, this guy has invented different

(27:45):
ways to fumble into the end zone. Last year on
Opening Night, remembers toe was out of the back of
the end zone and they should have beat the Chiefs
in Kansas City. So Isaiah likely has been brutal. And
he missed a contract tension by this much as well,
because he refused to take it and they gave it
to Mark Andrews.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, well, if you're not going to take it, give
it to the older guy. Which is so weird too.
That was a that was a bad choice.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Was very Can I ask something, Joe, I know we've
got something a little bit later, like I just found it.
Can we look at that catch? Because I think that
was a cat show. You didn't you didn't know. I
thought it was to be honest, I thought it was
a catch too.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
A football move in the end zone. I think that's ridiculous.
You catch the ball, I'm it's a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
But that's what the referee said.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
The referee said, the one that they had in the
boot said, look, even if it's in the end zone,
you have to complete the catch, and so you have
to take the three steps, the two feet down and
the football move.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Okay, that's what's weird, is like you could have two
feet down. If you're on the edge of the end
zone catching a ball two feet down, there's no football
move as you're sliding to.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
You have to secure the catch.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
If the catch is bobbling at all, I guess then
it's out.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
That's the rule.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Seth. Can we do this? I just sent you a
video of someone that has it in slow. I know
we're gonna look at something and.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
A little bit. Put that off and we'll debate that
in a second because we got another video or note
it all well, I want to give Seth enough time
to prepare for that one. Seth is only one man
in the and the Bears just lost, so he's in
his emotions. He's still got his bear stuff on, but
I don't want to put too much pressure on him.
It's Monday morning for him. Let's let's let's bring up
the other one too. Let's well go to your moment
and then we'll do the video tape here because I've

(29:22):
got one for videos too.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Okay, yeah, I mean mine. It's actually gonna just be
more all of the drops. Like I had highlighted out
the Chris Godwin drop on fourth that ended up leading
to the Saints winning. If the Saints winning that game
is absolutely crazy. The Bucks just bobbling. That is berserk
Tyler Schuck leading that team to a win. But as
we were talking more, I think I'm kind of taken

(29:45):
back by the amount of drops that we've seen this
season in big impactful spots, and also not just from
like the ad nine Mitchell's of the world who have
a four catch rating in Madden but like the Godwins
and Thera sheet rices and like, we've had a lot
of this and it's like a bigger epidemic, and specifically
Chris Godwin has had a ton of them. So I
don't know. I thought what was for the most part,

(30:06):
kind of a momentless week. I think the likely thing
was a big one, the one we're going to talk
about with you. I think you guys hit the main two. Yeah,
I highlight godwinning his drop and then kind of just
talking about the drops as a whole or crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well, my moment of the week had to do with
the Bears and the Packers, which was a fun football game,
you know, going back and forth and you can feel
the tension there and the Bears had moments here at
the end here to win this game. This last play
of the game, I want to bring up here. So
Seth is going to bring up the video because I
want to talk about this because I saw there was
a lot of people talking about the play design not
being good, and that's a bunch of nonsense. You could
see right here the play design is perfect because cole

(30:42):
Comet gets open right away. Cole Comet is basically going
to release from the line here and he is going
to turn left and if Caleb takes this two steps,
see how he turns two steps boom. This is where
you get rid of football. Come back a little bit here,
because you could see that release. You could see that
fake hand off he does as he rolls through. You're
supposed to get rid of this football right here. Boom,
he goes through it one two now as if he

(31:04):
gets rid of this ball right now, you could see
it's a walk in touchdown easily. So what does Caleb
Williams do? The thing always Caleb Williams does, which is
the extends play, sometimes too long to his own detriment.
He runs up. There's no one near him, by the way,
Look at this, there's five yards before anyone's near him.
He does not have to run with anybody. He is
not running away from anybody. All he has to do
is deliver the football on time, turn one two throw instead,

(31:28):
Let's watch as he takes six more steps and then
eventually what happens. The corner closes the angle right here.
And look there's someone else's pointing it out, just the
way I was pointing out last night as I was
watching the game with my.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Daughter Samuel Ocho.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, it's Acho's post here, but I was literally watching
this game here. Manuel Aaccha has this post up, and
I was talking with my daughter because she's a football player,
and we were talking about it's like and she's placed quarterback,
and I said, this is why it's so important right
to just trust play design and get rid of the
football on time. Because as he continues to try to
do too much, not only does the corner close, you're

(31:59):
gonna see j Moore come underneath. Now he's going to
be open, but he never even sees him. Why because
he keeps extending the play. Let's play this out here,
and what happens is he's in a position it becomes
a really difficult throw to the back of the end zone.
It's really hard to do that, to throw over somebody.
But literally, when you see that release here, it is
he's gonna come through here. He's gonna go to that release.
Let's rewind it to the beginning real quick again and
just watch his play because you're gonna see one more

(32:20):
time and again we're watching on the YouTube channel and
on twitch boom. There it is. He's open right there.
That's the play. He extends too long, the corner closes,
and that's history. Because the corner knows exactly what's going
he's got time to figure it out. So that to
me was the moment because I've seen a lot of
social media stuff forere like Ben Jonson on a bad
play calls like no he didn't that play design is
perfect that play design mistakes by Caleb Willis and two

(32:45):
guys open that he missed.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
You hold the ball too long, yep, right, you don't
look off your receiver at all to see if anybody
else is open once you're past, because you're past that
play after you take that third step, the ball should
not go to Commenda, should go somewhere else, right, And
then the third one was he through it to comment
way too late. So uh three three mistakes on that.
That was absolutely not a play design flaw. That was

(33:07):
a Caleb Williams.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, and I think the biggest thing I've seen multiple
people talking about just the Bears trying to hide Caleb
and stuff like that. Caleb has all the skills in
the world. He can run. You put him under pressure,
He's not getting sacked. He has a cannon of an arm,
but he has he has a four awareness in Madden
like his field awareness and his game awareness is well

(33:30):
below average that he can't pick up the nuances of
the game. But he absolutely has.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
All the skills in the world thirty three point six
times per game. They're not hiding him. That's twelve And yeah, see,
I don't I don't think they're hiding him.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I'm not saying I'm not. I'm just saying you're saying
it's the difference.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
You're not an issue again, It's the difference of like
the Woodrobe me crazy when I watch them at USC
is the same stuff that he's doing now too, which
is he holds the ball, holds the ball long.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Cam Moore has the same issue.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
He tries to make all these plays instead of just
trusting the play, trusting the design. And if when you
watch other quarterbacks play right, who trust the design able
to do it? You know what I always used to
love when I was a kid watching Warren Moon play right.
Warren Moon played in that incredibly fine know but he
was incredible to watch right with that offense with the
Houston Oilers, talk about trusting the process and trusting guys

(34:22):
are gonna be where they're gonna be, Like that guy
was so great, Like you watch young Drake May now
trusting where guys are going to be, trusting the play design.
Like there's just guys out there. You just watch guys
who just trust the process know where to deliver the
football and do And unless Caleb starts to fix this
kind of stuff is going to haunt him. I think
his entire career. But he's got a fog.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Hates Warren Moon, by the way, because when he was
like three years old, Bogmin was on a plane with Warren.
He was on a plane with Warren Moon, and Warren
Moon was not about Bogman.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
I don't even remember this, but my mom has told
me the story about one hundred times. Well, you know,
Warren Moon was a jerk. Earl Campbell was extremely nice.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, Earl Campbell sounds like a nice guy. All right,
do we have the likely? So let's bring the likely
up here. It's even get this video. Take a look
here with Wells here. So again, I thought it was
a catch when I saw it, Welsh, what did you
think when you saw the likely?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, I thought this was a catch, especially when you
like see it in slow motion and you see you see,
you see three steps. I'll catch.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
I'll be honest. I thought it was a catch. I
was so here, we got the catch.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Possession, Okay, we go possession.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
One two, and now that ball is out of underhand
before the third foot comes down.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Two step ball out. I've watched it one hundred but.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
It's it's two toe drags in the corner of the
end zone without making a quote unquote football move and such.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
I would not be sitting here arguing and we would
not be talking about this. If they had ruled that
a touchdown. I I would have had nothing to say
about it, because that looks like a catch to me.
Now people have compared this to a Roman Wilson catch
that he had in the end zone against Green Bay
a couple of weeks ago, where it was almost the
same thing. The guy knocked the ball out of his hand,
but he was on like his sick Stephen. He was

(36:01):
going backwards holding the ball out and he had had
it and was stepping back and his feet had come
down like three or four times or four or five times.
So then they knocked the ball out. But that's a
catch because it was three steps. This is two steps
balls moving out of his hand before he gets that
third foot down.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, what's a catch?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
There? You have it?

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Everybody, I thik, hey, look, the Steelers got screwed by
the Jesse James catch non catch against the Patriots, so
I don't want to hear it. Every team gets hosed
by this, every single team.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
All right, let's transition to a little three to one
one action and then we'll do some factor fiction and
get out of here. First, the little update on the
board for the three to one one only a three
hundred dollars passer last week that we got right. Both
Bogging and myself got tak Prescott yay. We didn't get
anything else, and Welsh of course got nothing. So Bogman thirteen,
I'm at twelve points, Welsh is at seven but still

(36:51):
playing football left here, so Welsh's still in this. I
am taking this week Drake may first three hundred dollar game.
He hasn't had one yet? Why not this week Againstuffalo.
I'm gonna go CMC versus Tennessee. That's right. I'm gonna
see a lot of CMC against Tennessee. I can tell
you that. Coming off that by they're gonna run him
a muck. And then Pukaakupa versus Detroit. So those are

(37:11):
my three one ones. Bogman, what's your three one one four?
Week fifteen, We're.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Gonna go Joe Burrow against those Baltimore Ravens who we
just talked about, and they cannot stop the pass. Aaron
Rodgers just said two hundred ninety yards on them, so
I think they'll be okay. Then for running back, we're
gonna go to trav CTN against the Jets. The Jets
are pretty much given up. We saw that against Miami
this week and there's probably not gonna be any tutin

(37:37):
so we will see. And then my one hundred yard
receiver I'm gonna go back to. It didn't hit for
me this week, but JSN did have like ninety four yards,
so I was right on the doorstep. I had to
go double check and make sure that Joe wasn't hosing
me out.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Of the dude.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
We had to. We had a drinks because the week
I picked me at ninety five and then week you
picked me at ninety four, Like we are really in
a bad way there, so it's ocking.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
We're just gonna I'm just gonna probably take him until
he hits jayas N. Against the Colts, I think they'll
have the ball a bunch because it's probably gonna be
Riley Leonard and he probably gets this pretty early.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
All right, Welsh three one one? What do you got?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Who cares what I have? Saying I'm the worst at
this game, like I'm if I if I don't do
anything this week again, I'm gonna just start using coach
on fantasy pros and I'm gonna just start asking coach
what it can do for me. But yeah, who cares
what I have to say. I am gonna go with
Dak versus Minnesota probably throws for two twenty, Derek Henry
versus Cincinnati probably runs for forty five, and George Pickens
versus Minnesota to stack. He will probably have zero catches

(38:33):
and get thrown out of the game.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
No, he want Well, that is definitely a possibility. But
it's either gonna be he starts a fight and gets
tossed or he has twelve catches for two hundred yards
because Richard Sherman talks Mac about it.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
All right, let's do uh five good minutes of factor
fiction or factor fiction genty can be trust in the
playoffs bogs fiction.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I don't know if Kenny Pickett's going to be in there.
All they do is stack the box. There's no hope
for the Raiders fiction, all right?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
You agree? Welsh fiction fiction? Do get a Do we
get a coaching change there? Next year? Is it one?

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Carrol?

Speaker 1 (39:05):
I think the fans can finally uh get his way
out after losing to a one win team at home.
I think Stefanski might have found a way to get
himself fired, which I don't think was possible in this year,
but it looks like he could.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
There's a possibility that he knows how to get fired.
Every coach in.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
The AFC North could be replaced, because if the Steelers
do make the playoffs and lose by thirty again, there's
a possibility that that happens. The Ravens fans retired to
John Harbob apparently for whatever reason, Zach Taylor's getting canned for.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Has it that entire division losing?

Speaker 4 (39:33):
I don't think it has.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Stefanski is gone too like I think I think the
Cleveland and Cincinnati jobs are already done at the end
of the year. I agree with this more in Pittsburgh
or maybe all right, factor.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Fiction, will the Texans win their division? I say fiction, Welsh,
what do you say? I think Jacksonville still wins it.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I'm gonna go fiction as well. I think Jacksonville is
on a pretty good momentum right now. I mean I
will say that it is within reach, though it is
absolutely within reach. They have been Houston's and obviously great.
They're great at home. But it's like the Texans don't
or the Jaguars don't really have one of those pieces
where it's like, man, they're really bad at home or
on the road. Like, No, they're great at home, they're

(40:10):
great on the road. They've been one of the best
in the division. So I'm going to say fixed.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
So they got a good schedule box. So that's why
I keep point to they get another game against Tennessee,
So I think they just hold out, especially now that
they play Indie again in Tennessee and now they're gonna
play India a second time without Daniel Jones for the
second time. Like, I just think this is the Jags division.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Out of lose before the It is probably gonna be
the Texans now because before the season started, Welsh picked
the Colts. I picked the Jaguars. That look for half
the year like the Colts are gonna win. Now it
looks like the Jags are gonna win. So it's probably
gonna be the text. I'm gonna stick with Jacksonville. I'm
gonna say fiction because I picked Jacksonville at the beginning
of the year.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
I like Liam, I want to open up a wound here,
but actually no, that's a lie. I do. Let's go
to factor fiction. Should we sit in Justin Jefferson for
the rest of the playoffs? Absolutely fiction? He can't. He's
a Titanic player. If you made it to the playoffs,
you have to play Justin Jefferson. Now you have to
understand what you build around. It is going to sink
or swim you. Basically you might be Leonardo DiCaprio here

(41:03):
at the edge of the raft or the piece of wood,
whatever the hell was. So I'm gonna say you still
play him, Boggs, I say it's a fiction.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
You see him, I'm obvious, and I think, wilsh you'll
play him still too, right, he's just your wide receiver three.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Now I've said he's a wide receiver three. I think, well,
I think this could be fact or fiction. It just
depends on who you have. Like there is somebody out
there that could have Jefferson, and then they could have
a great number two, a solid number three, and then
they could have picked up Michael Wilson. And if it's
like the decision has to be, Hey, Jefferson or Michael Wilson.
I'll take Michael Wilson at this point over Jefferson without hesitation.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Speaking of, I mean, I won't have Marvin Harrison real
quick though. I want to ask one question about Justin Jefferson.
If Jefferson is a wide receiver one for the three
weeks down the stretch here in the playoffs, does that
move him back into high end in the first round
or is he a low end first round pick.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
J J McCarthy's not the quarterback, so so for you, it's.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Just JJ has to be gone for him to be
a first round pick next year, or he has to
show like massive improvement that I.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Think, like what Joe was saying, Yes, if if Justin
Jefferson is like nine catches for one hundred plus yards
and all of these games and JJ McCarthy understands and
knows how to throw to him, like okay, that would
be fantastic into it as we're seeing things right now,
To take Justin Jefferson in the first round in the sect,
I think it's crazy. I think that's absolutely right now.
I think I spt further unless you see.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
JJ plays poorly and Jefferson does not get footballs. I
could see this going into the offseason where Jefferson starts
to get real chirpy about wanting to play with the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Are YOUX available if they would like? He never complains
that he's going somewhere.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
You mentioned Michael Wilson. Another huge day for him, Eleven
catches for one forty two and two toucha unbelievable. So
so what do we do here? It's a factor fiction question.
Arizona should make Michael Wilson wide receiver one. He is
wide receiver one, Like, that's just the fine act at
that point.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
No, but when Harrison was active that one game, Michael
Wilson's like target bonanza kind of ended. And I think,
like to this answer, they should. They should stop trying
to force getting back to Harrison. Let Michael Wilson every
single week, have twelve touches at twelve targets every single week.
That is what they should do. He proves to be
a better number one. Let Marvin Harrison be a complimentary

(43:10):
wide receiver to Michael Wilson.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I agree. I think we're seeing the upside on Michael
Wilson right now. He was always good at Stanford, but
he was constantly injured. That was like the downside of
drafting Michael Wilson. He has size, he has speed, but
he's always on the pine. Now that he's in the pros,
it seems to have been fixed. So I think that
Michael Wilson could easily be the number one down.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Hey, the fact to fix you. I didn't know if
you were going to put that up or you just
put it up for a second. If Marvin Harrison comes back, Boggs,
who do you want? Michael Wilson? I want Michael Wilson
or no, but I meant Michael Wilson or Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Oh, Michael Wilson.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, I mean it's still Justin Jefferson. I understand. I
understand that, but I agree with Joe. I think Jefferson
is a Titanic pick.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, you go down with the ship man. You just
gotta do it. It sucks. All right. Last question here
we're gonna head out. Do you expect Mike Evans back
the week? I say yes, Bogs What are you saying?

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Yeah? I think he was pretty close this week, so
I especially after.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
That lost to the Saints. Well you agree, all right?

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Three for three at all?

Speaker 1 (44:07):
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(44:29):
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