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The boys discuss Copper Kupp signing with the Seahawks, Kareem Hunt re-signing with KC, Jordan Mason getting dealt to the Vikings, Ja’Marr Chase and Tee Higgins signing contract extensions in Cincinnati, and the recent rumors surrounding Aaron Rodgers, Jameis Winston, and Dallas Goedert!
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Vikings Acquire Jordan Mason - 0:13:46
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome bit everybody to Fantasy pros. This is the Fantasy
Football Podcast and it is out of bounds and it's me,
Joey Paige. Joe Pi's Apia with me is my other
best friend, the Welsh. Because Bogman is stuck at an
airport in Tampa. Oh my goodness. He called me last
night said the weather is terrible. He is not gonna
make it to today's show. He went for some fun
(00:22):
and this is what happens. You go to Florida and
you think it's all gonna be fun and games. Next
thing you know, Florida starts to take over. And we've
learned that lesson. It's a hard lesson here on the show.
We've been talking about the Florida Man all before for
the last few weeks. Welsh, what are the chances that
Bogman never returns to Texas and just becomes a Florida man.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I don't know, but he told me he will never
ever be flying to Tampa or Florida again. It will
be only a drive. He was supposed to come back
yesterday and it brought back like fears we all had
when we were in Vegas. There was this like torrential
snowstorm around the country that was literally delayed every single
person's flight. A couple got canceled, and Bogman was texting
(01:04):
me he's out, he has He's being re routed to
Cleveland and then hopefully get back to Houston. So I
don't know he is. He might. What's that movie with
Tom Hanks about the guy that was just stuck in
an airport for like eight months and just lives there.
That might be Bogman.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Uh Forrest Gump. No, uh, the air up there? Is
that what it is?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I don't remember what it was called, but it's like
the real life story about the guy that got just
like stuck in just because of like visa stuff in
the airport.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
In the airport, Yeah, that could be. Well, you know,
Scott Bogman does have the beard already growing, so we'll
see what it looks like by the time he hopefully
comes back next week. But we got a lot of
football to get to today and a lot of fun
things to talk about, including we have a landing spot
for Cooper Cup. We have got some rumors floating around.
We've also got some intrigue at the running back position.
I can't wait to talk to Welsh about and some
(01:54):
big news on the Bengals, not one, but two big signings.
But first let's get to Cooper Cup because it's fun.
Seahawks have officially signed Cooper Cup to a three year,
forty five million dollar contract. Yeah, sure, three years. We'll
see how that works out. But let's talk about this
Welsh because Cooper Cup, obviously it was over. It was
done for him with the Rams. He has had a
(02:15):
myriad of injuries over the years. He's at a two
year window where he had some of the largest volume
we've seen from a wide receiver, and it's clearly taking
its toll on him. And I think a lot of
people were buying back in last year and now I
feel like there's going to be the potential for people
to want to buy in again because every time somebody
goes to a new team, everybody thinks, well, it's all
(02:36):
going to be better. Now he's in a different environment.
Maybe WELD give him another shot. I don't know about you.
I am still out on Cooper Cup. I know the
ADP is probably still going to be pretty low. I
understand the thought process is, well, Jsn's the only other
real wide receiver there. Why not Cooper Cup, to which
I say, have you paid attention to how few games
he has played and played effectively in the last basically
(02:57):
three years. So, Welsh, what are your thoughts of the
Cooper Cup signing and your constitution as it were to
reinvest potentially in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I guess the You know, we were talking last week.
One of the things it was like, so what are
the Seahawks doing? What are you doing? Trading Geno? Then
you're signing Darnold and you trade a DK and now
you brought in Cooper Cup. It's been kind of hard
to figure out. So I guess it's maybe coming together
a tiny bit. But like everybody at Nauseum has said
the same thing, and I don't disagree. It's like they're
(03:28):
all slot guys. Like you took another like prominent slot
wide receiver with JSN, So again, what is the plan
are you going to just bring? Is it like Bobo
is gonna go? And what like what are you gonna
do on the outsides? Are you going to have both
of these guys just be the slot kings. I'm not
one hundred percent sure. His an effectiveness of separation was
on point last year. I mean, that's why you know
(03:49):
he wasn't getting targets and his health is in question.
I do think this has the potential to be a
boost for his fantasy value. I'm just not sure it's
going to be Like there was a point last he
remember where some people were like, Hey, he's gonna be
a big breakout, He's gonna be one of the best
values out there. I'm really not sure that that's gonna happen.
(04:10):
But I do think there's an opportunity for targets. Darnold
good quarterback. I like him there, but like, like, where
is he at? Do you know, I'm gonna look real quick.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
At well, while you look at that, I'm I'm I'm
chuckling because the air up there is a Kevin Bacon
movie where he is scouting the potential basketball players. I
want to say in Africa, and that is not it's
the terminal. That's the name of the top.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Is the terminal. Yeah, but I would like to.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Maybe have a layover in an African nation and perhaps
become a basketball scout. I think that would be a
really interesting turn for Scott Bogman at this juncture in
his career.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
A five foot eight you know, the flats a little coiner,
Yeah yeah, I guess yeah. No, a Bogman look good
with the beer. They'd be like Luca, like no, no, no.
Cooper Cup, by the way, currently on ECR over on
Fantasy Pros, we've got ranks up. You guys can check
it out. He's one hundred and fourth overall, forty third
(05:10):
at wide receiver. I kind of to tell you, I
think like that might be a value as long as
he doesn't push inside the top thirty six, Like what
would you project at like targets, Like what is the
positive or negative to Cooper Cup in Seattle right now?
Outside of like figuring out what the hell the same
is going to be?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You know, I just think the players washed. And it's
something that I think we all learned the hard way
this year in a very short period of time with
the trade deadline, where DeAndre Hopkins went to the Chiefs
and did nothing, and Mariy Cooper went to the Bills
and did nothing, and Deontay Johnson went everywhere and did nothing,
And I think we all just look at each other going, well,
maybe sometimes these things just end, and even though they
(05:49):
go to situations that appear better for them, maybe on paper.
Sometimes not all of them, but sometimes that is a
very uh I think dangerous road to go down right now.
Jalen mcn ollen's going near him, Jacobe Myers going near Khalioshakir.
I'm taking all those guys over him. I'm probably taking
Juwan Jennings going after him. Michael Pittman Junior probably after
him as well. Keenan Allen hasn't signed yet. I would
(06:12):
probably take Keenan Allen over him as well. So Cooper
Cup Again, just because a guy gets a fresh start
doesn't mean it should be a restart for him on
your fantasy invent.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You know, it would have been great if they had, you know,
like a wide receiver like I don't know, like a
DK Metcalf who could stretch the field. That's the thing
that you're missing though, if he nearly had, if they
only could have acquired a wide receiver that can stretch
the field. I don't have a problem with two guys
that are gonna play like short yardage and try to
get yak and stuff. But who's gonna stretch the safeties
out on that team right now? Jsen, I don't think
(06:44):
he's going to become their deep options. So that is
kind of weird.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Well, we'll see what happens. I mean, there's still plenty
of time. And there's also that little thing called the
NFL Draft. We've got more. Actually, there's a fantasy move
that I actually really do like from NFL free agency.
We're gonna talk about in a second, Deep Bro saying
Matthew Golden the Seattle. Don't you dare put that evil
on him, Ricky Bobby. I want Matthew Golden going to
a much better situation than that. Let's go to Black
Raptors question here. Black Raptor, by the way, I believe
(07:08):
the winner of our MLB show draft from last week
on Twitch. Here on the channel, make sure you subscribe.
We are live here on the twitch again, Twitch dot
tv slash Fantasy Pros the first one we did over there.
We're gonna do a lot of NFL drafts on the
Twitch this year. They have a dynasty question. Not necessarily
need a running back, but I got offered Bjon Robinson
for my twenty twenty five first round pick and my
twenty twenty five third round pick. In the dynasty draft,
(07:31):
I'm ninth overall in every round. Do I accept? I
say yes? It's a good running back class, but b
Jon Robinson is on the precipice of becoming an absolute superstar,
and he's already shown you that he can do it.
You don't know where these other guys. I mean, it
depends on what your draft is, too, Like if a
draft is before usually it's after the NFL Draft. But
(07:53):
I would be taking Bijon and giving up that extra
third round pick in a second, how about you, Welsh?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, this one's ninety been a question because it's the
ninth pick. Let me let me throw a little curveball.
Maybe would you do it for the first overall pick
and the because I know I would ask I.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Would because if you Saire's Gendy or b Jon Robinson?
Who I want next year in the next two years,
it's probably Vijon. And Gendy is smaller too, he's only
five to eight. You know, we don't know how it's
going to all work out. I'm very cautiously optimistic about it,
but I'm taking the proven guy who is still very young,
who's in a situation where we know where it is,
we know who the quarterback is, we know what it's
(08:31):
going to look like, and there's no questions. I don't
like a lot of questions now. The Denver Broncos they
had questions at tight end, but they answered it with
Evan Ingram comes over from the Jaguars two year deal.
I love this because Evan Ingram is the perfect fit
for a guy with a short a dot in the
quarterback there Bo Nicks and to me, I'm looking right
(08:53):
now and worry he's listed. He's the tenth tight end
on Fantasy pros rankings right now. I think I feel
better at taking him than I do about David and
Joko at eight, Travis Kelsey at nine. Maybe not, but
John U Smith as good as it was last year,
I don't know if we're necessarily locked into that being
a copy and past situation year over year. Where do
you stand with this Evan Ingram Sonning because I actually
(09:13):
really like this one, and to me, this is one
that could rebirth this fantasy value because last year there's
a lot of injuries, a lot of inconsistency. I feel
like this is the perfect fit when you're looking for
Evan Ingram, who was supposed to just be a guy
who could even end up being the second biggest target
Getterer in this offense.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, by the way, a big plus for people coming
in and hanging out. We got the King of Bros,
Debro in the chat and hanging out with us, and
Debro had put in here Ingram would be a top
five tight end and I think that's on the table here.
I think maybe the only question is about that offense
and how they separate targets. You know, that was one
of the problems sometimes you would have is like obviously
(09:51):
Cortinland Sutton would get like a decent amount of those targets,
but then it would just be like seven other wide receivers,
the balls flying everywhere. There wasn't a concentrated focus on targets.
Maybe Ingram will provide that and they'll start to hone
it in a little bit because I didn't want The
only thing I never loved was how bo Nicks are,
how they ran that offense, being like a chief's light,
(10:13):
you know, where every single weekend it's eight different players
getting a target. But Evan Ingram is built for a
massive amount of targets. There's some touchdown equity in there.
Bo Nicks being able to move around the pocket. This
is like an awesome on paper fit and I think
there's a lot of upside. I guess we just need
to see how the offense is going to readjust and
(10:33):
make him a focal point in the offense because I'm
not really sure how much bo Nix is going to
have that be a a big spot in as far
as his targets go outside of Courtland Sutton. But I'm
hopeful and I kind of agree. I think this could
lead to him being a top five tight end this year.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Here's a question from Prime here, what about Mims and
the offense after great finish to the season? Sleeper in
twenty twenty five. Again, I just worry about the target volume.
I just think Ingram comes out all over. I think
that Mims will get a couple of shots here and there,
like he's maybe a flexworthy guy in certain situations, but
I don't feel good about how more a weekly basis
(11:09):
in terms of the target share that he's getting in
the offense.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Ingram would actually make this worse. He'd actually make this
situation worse because, like Deebro said in here, it's another thing,
it's what the packers do. What's so I screamed about
it last year all year on these shows. Joe was
they just scheme out. It's like you would put what
was it Wis and Watson together and then you put
read and I'm forgetting the like they would always do
(11:34):
those stupid little scheme wide receivers and never have constant guys.
It's gonna make it worse if they end up doing that,
if with the Broncos continue to do that four guy
like Mims, because you not only now have Sutton who's
going to get a regular set of targets. It's not
going to be Ingram. So no, I don't think it's
good for Mems at all unless they committed to him
getting out of these stupid, like you know, scheme rotations.
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Speaker 1 (13:18):
All right, so while we were away last week, some
rbs started resigning and acquiring and all this stuff. So
Kareem Hunt goes back to the Chiefs. Which it's funny
because I remember having a conversation about Isaiah Pachecko. I
don't know what it's on this show or another show
we were talking about. I know I was a guest
of the CBS podcast and we were talking about Pachecko.
(13:39):
Somebody was asking that question. I was like, I would
rather take the Picks over Pacheco going into next year.
And that was before Kareem Hunt signed. Then you had
Jordan Mason, who played terrific in circumstances for the forty
nine ers last year. When called upon he goes to
the Vikings. The only thing ahead of him is Aaron Jones,
who was an older running back. And then Rico Dowdle,
formerly of the Cowboys, goes on one year deal to
(14:00):
the Panthers, which I don't think is the you know,
necessarily what everybody had on their bingo cards. So all
these three running backs who landed in these three spaces,
who's the most tempting to you to invest it in
twenty twenty five because Cuba was very good last year,
Aaron Jones was very good last year, and a Kareem
Hunt kind of had to step in and be the
guy while Pachecko was out. So it's not like these
(14:22):
three names couldn't be useful this season.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Man, I think this might be just a toss up
because I think Kareem Hunt resigning seems like absolutely detrimental
to Isaiah Pacheco. One of the things that could come
out of this though, and pretty clearly, is like Pachecko's
injury are coming back from injury last season could have
just stunted him from volume because he just disappeared, he
(14:46):
went the wrong way. It was like he came back,
he got carries, and then he just started tailing down,
and I didn't know what the hell was going on
with this. So like in theory, Kareem Hunts looks like
it could be the best, but I think it just
might be an other piece of insurance as Pacheco gets healthier.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Pacheco's caries go back up.
I want to say Jordan Mason is the most interesting.
(15:09):
They gave him a two year contract. The only problem is,
like Aaron Jones is not gonna unseat it, just you know,
maybe he goes from whatever, you know, sixteen fifteen sixteen
touches a game down a tiny bit. I'm just not
sure Jordan Mason's ever gonna be able to get massive volume.
But you are putting a rookie quarterback in there, maybe
you want to establish a little bit more on the run.
(15:29):
Both of these guys can catch out of the backfield.
I'm not in on Rico. This is Cuba's backfield. Cuba's
gonna roll here. So I guess if I had to
rank them, it would probably be Mason Hunt and then Rico.
But I really think we got to see how this
all plays out. Mason is the one guy I think
that could completely take over a backfield.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Of all of these players, Yeah, I think Mason. There's
father man friend of the show here on our discord too,
talking about Mason. I could see myself having some shares
of Rico and Mason because I know the ADP is
going to be less. I'm somebody who goes after wide
receiver early so taking shots at RB, you know, you
never know what happens here. And you know what Jonathan
Brooks in that situation in Carolina too. I mean, it's
(16:11):
so unfortunate because he was gonna be the next big
thing potentially, and then you know, two ACL tears are
the same knee. I'd be surprised if he ever played
the NFL. And I know that's just depressing. I don't
want to be depressing. It's just not something that happened,
like Thomas Davis had two torn acls and came back
and played. I think there's not a lot of names
out there. There's just not a lot of guys where
(16:33):
you have the double tear and it works out for
you NFL career, no matter how young or old you are.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Way he was going last year, do you remember how
high he was going in drafts?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Like he was Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Oh, Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And you recall the conversations I know Derek Brown does
of me yelling at people and talking about well, you know, look,
maybe week ten is when you get him at the most,
like that's the best case in AROWL and everyone thought
I was crazy. I was like week ten, maybe week
eleven twelve, that might be your best case scenario when
people were putting way too much in him.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And I think ahead of Cuba, he was going ahead.
Oh yeah, But I mean it just mean hindsight here.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
But you know it deeper brings up the point about
Checko on being fully healthy. Well, but Checko doesn't have
a great track record of being healthy. The style in
which he plays, in the frame that he has that
hasn't been great, and it is something I think we
all have to kind of, you know, wrap our minds
around a little bit too. By the way, I was
just thinking this, you know, do you think that Bogman
didn't come today because he was worried because you were
(17:29):
talking about Mason's and it reminded me of Mason Rudolph
did come back to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Do you think
he just wanted to avoid the show, just not to
talk about that or any other potential Steeler quarterback signing.
You think he was like, per No, I'll go to
Tampa and get stuck in the airport and then I
won't to have to talk about the Steelers quarterback situation.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
If you were on the if if anyone was like
watching live on the show or rewatched it over on Twitch,
you would have seen. It was just like news news
news news. Signing signings were just happening left and right
live on this show. You hundred percent No, he was
terrified that Aaron Rodgers is gonna sign it yet, but
at this point, you know, I mean, just to talk
about it for a second, it seems from all the
(18:08):
news that's out there that it's Minnesota or bust. Like
I don't know if you saw that rumor that it
was like if Minnesota doesn't come to terms, oh he
might just rebuke the others.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And it was literally the Brett Farv.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Farr said he should sign there. Farv was like on
some show and was like he should sign with Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Like okay, yeah, okay, yeah. Well, I don't know if
I'm taking any advice from Brett Farr about anything. I
don't know if that's the best idea, just saying. Also
in the rumor mill, speaking of Aaron Rodgers, as you mentioned,
the Vikings are seriously discussing that possibility. Jameis Winston is
gonna meet with the Giants on Tuesday. We'll see how
that goes, and the Eagles are open to trade talks
involving Dallas Goddard. Now, I thought that one was a
(18:48):
little curious here. I didn't quite get that. But the
Eagles are in a situation where they're gonna have I
think twenty draft picks in the next two drafts because
of all the guys that have gone away the agency
and all the things they've done. And I don't know
Howie Roseman is pretty dangerous with those draft picks. I
think that's pretty terrifying for the rest of the league
to give him that much draft capital work with. However,
(19:10):
I was surprised that Goddard was potentially on that block
any landing spots in your mind that a team that
could benefit could use some tight end help potentially in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah. You know.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
The one thing I was going to say real quick
before that is that I think the Eagles are taking
a little bit of that forty nine ers approach as well.
I mean, the Niners are a test case. Look at
what they're doing. They're just they're just depleting, depleting a
They're just selling everybody. It feels like they're selling for nothing.
They just sold away Jordan Mason. They're half of their
defense has gone because you've got to get your young
(19:44):
draft picks. You've got to build them up so they
can have replacements when these bigger guys are needing contracts,
and so you can avoid paying these big contracts. So
I think that might be part of like a need scenario,
knowing that you know, maybe they're going to bring in
a young guy, they're not gonna they don't want to
pay him, and they want to like clean up books
a little bit. Actually, like Deebro's down there Indianapolis. I
think Indianapolis would be a really good spot for him.
(20:05):
I would imagine Goddard is gonna want to because I
think you could play out like there's you know, half
a dozen kind of non winning teams out there that
you could go to. Indianapolis is kind of on the precipice.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I think Jacksonville too, now there's a void at the
tight end. Phasis I sure, I think Jacksonville will be
an interesting one too, for somebody to come in Duvall
and remake this team a little bit. You know, we
all know what's going on there, all right, Fringe you
So those are the rumors. Let's put onto non rumors
the facts the Bengals made some big news. They spent
some money Jamar Chase four years, one hundred and sixty
one million dollar contract extension. He is the highest paid
(20:39):
non quarterback in NFL history. Good on him. I mean
that dude absolutely balled out last year. And my god,
if there isn't a good reason to look at that
and say this is what happens when guys are playing
for contracts, I don't know what is. I mean, it
was spectacular, but the surprise is that they got the
t Higgins deal done two four years, one hundred and fifteen.
The Bengals are still hoping assigned Trey Hendrickson. I think
(21:01):
they will. I think they're gonna continue to figure this out.
I don't know what else is going to be on
that defense. But we are right back to where we
were last year going in, which is we have Jamar Chase,
T Higgins and we have Joe Burrow. I think this
is going to be a really interesting scenario here because
I expect the Chiefs to take a step back. I
think that division is going to be much improved again
year over a year and far more competitive. I don't
(21:23):
think it's this cake walk to a bye week for
the Chiefs into two home playoff games next year. I
just don't see that happening. Everybody's a year older. And
I also think that you're looking at potentially here that
the window for the Ravens, the Bills, and perhaps the
Bengals could not get better in terms of like, look,
we've got our arsenal of weapons, it's time to really
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make that push. So what do you think about these
two signings here and the upside for maybe even a
Joe Burrow MVP with all these weapons, if they say healthy, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I definitely think that's on the MVP, Like it might
be really good. I don't know what you know some
of those early lines are going to look like, but
that would be a good one to throw. And the
division I think you're kind of alluding to is like
becoming maybe more obtainable. The Steelers look like they're on
kind of a down trend right now. They're trying to
pick up the pieces. The Browns are obviously on that.
So it's like if it's a two horse race. I
(22:12):
actually think like re signing getting Chase done with Higgins
was the key, Like not that you wouldn't obviously want
to like resign Jamar Chase, but it would feel maybe
like the tiniest bit empty, like, oh great, we got
Chase done, but then you got this big hole of
what's gonna happen with t Higgins. To get them done
at the same time, I think was key because it
is a ridiculous one two punch and Joe Burrow needs it.
(22:35):
He needs those targets. They want to get that passing
game going. So I think it's a good, controllable offense.
I think they need to probably put a big heavy
focus in the draft on defense. But yeah, I mean
I don't know, like you said that, like the Chiefs
are kind of even trending down, like the AFC is.
It's a little open right now. And yeah, one or
two moves away. You know, the Bengals re signed. They
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got their big core pieces, but you know, they shot
everybody and maybe you know, hit on a good draft
pick defensively, or maybe make a trade. It seems like
second away from being done.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I mean, if they can, if they could do what
the Eagles did last year and just nail those you know,
nail two secondary picks in the first two rounds, you
could do that, that would be that'd be swell like,
that's exactly what you want to do. Let's think another
question here and we'll talk more about the rankings of
t Higgins across the board on some other players too.
As from Wayne Wright, I have a championship winning dynasty team.
One of my league mates mentioned he might trade Derrick
(23:27):
Henry for my one twelve pick. What do you think
I've got Saquon Bijon, Brian Robinson, Charbonnay, and Tyler Algier.
I was thinking of keeping my pick to get a
good future RB. It is a good draft for the RBS.
That is a tougher one because Henry's probably got one
more good year for sure. I think in him maybe
a second one. It's a little trickier. Welsh, where do
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you stand with this one one twelve? You're gonna miss
out on Look, it's not an elite quarterback class, right,
so for your three quarterbacks are gonna go, you probably
get the tight end to go. You'll probably get four
wide receivers, so you are probably looking at you know,
Jend's never going to make it to you twelve. I
don't think Hampton gets there is a the Caleb Johnson's
of the world. I feel like, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I'm looking at. We also have rookie ranks if you
want to check it out, pretty good almost it's a
little over thirty experts as well. On Fantasy Pros. You
can go check it out under NFL rankings, you can
select rookies and at twelve it's cam Ward, but right
above is Caleb Johnson. So Caleb Johnson is ranked as
the eleventh overall player. But you know that's going to
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be kind of tough to hope for here. I mean,
I don't know. Maybe if someone reaches for like a
Travis Hunter and it drops him, Caleb Johnson's the most likely.
But the other one would I think more likely is
like a Cam's Skataboo. I think Skataboo is probably the
running back that you're looking at. I know Bogman's really.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
That I want him Derrick Henry because yeah, camp Scattaboo
is fun, but I just don't know if he can
do it in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
So here's the only other kind of caveat though. Look
at those running backs he had, how many can you start?
How many can he get in there? Because he had
was that one Bijon and then Brian.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Robinson Saquon last year. Again, you know, we get to
that threshold. I want to double check my numbers here,
but you know, we talked about it at nauseum last
year about the four hundred and seventeen touches of Christian
McCaffrey from the regular season for the playoffs two years ago.
Last year three hundred and forty five attempts in the season.
For receptions, he had thirty three. So we're pushing there,
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and by the time we get to playoffs obviously well
over four hundred. So we're in that same range with Saquon,
and typically going into the next year that does not
work out well for guys staying healthy. So if you
are kind of in this win now mode a little
bit too, like you just won, maybe you go all
in one more year, try to win one more time.
I don't think that's a bad idea, and you get
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Derrick Henry. Like Derrick Henry could continue to just blow
everybody's mind and just play way longer than anybody could
possibly fathom because he's such a freak of nature. I'm
just I'm very willing in this class to in my
dynasty leagues to move as high up as I possibly
can with all the draft capital I can, or as
far out of this draft is into next year, because
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there's a few handful of players I like. But I'm
just not overall in love with the depth of this class,
like I have a couple of years ago, like I
remember drafting Khalil Shakir in like the fourth fifth round
of a Dynasty rookie draft a couple of years ago,
just you know, always seeing these guys where I was like, Oh,
this guy's really interesting, or Pacheco's really interesting. There are
all these prospects I really liked. I don't have that
same feeling about this draft class. I want to go
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back to t Higgins for a second, Welsh, because I
want to get your feeling right now. In the consensus
rankings on fantasypros dot Com, he is the twelfth wide receiver.
Feels about right for how much they throw the ball.
And if you're a fantasy manager, you want the Bengals
defense to suck because you want to be in shootouts
and you want all the fantasy points you possib can get,
So don't root too hard for that to change. Jsn
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is at thirteen. Lad McConkie at fourteen, Terry McLaurin at fifteen.
Do you think T Higgin should be drafted over those
three guys? Oh? Man?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
You know lad Is Lad is the one that jumped
out to me where I'm like, m, it's super super close.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I not Terry. I mean Terry was pretty good last year,
and jayde and Daniels in year two.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah. No, I mean all of them are good. It
was just lads specifically kind of jumped out to me.
I think you can you can buy that. I mean,
you know, Terry's like he was, I mean, built a
mountain of his fantasy value off of those huge, huge plays,
and those big like fifty plus yard touchdown plays are
similar to like touchdown equity, Like how how much can
(27:28):
you count on repeatability? The other two guys, you know,
working out of just like big you know, slot targets
left and right. I guess what I'm getting to is
like T Higgins to me, is like the complete wide receiver.
He's not built off of just having to be big,
long deep plays. He's not built off of just having
to play out of a slot. Even if he's a
(27:48):
a wide receiver. Two, he plays as a wide receiver.
One also by the way, with Terry like they did,
bring Deebo in and we'll have to see what Deebo
does with some of that offense. But I think I
think the tier makes sense. But I do believe like
him being above it is the play.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I think it's very close. I think over Jackson Smith
a jig. When I'm good with over Lad. It depends
on format. If it's straight PPR, I'm listening, but it's half.
I want the touchdown equity that Higgins is gonna bring.
I think, yeah, yeah, I completely agree with that. McLaurin.
For me, that's the dice one because I just I love,
I'm in love with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
But Deebo doesn't do well. I mean, what about Devo
being in there. You know people's gonna pull his James
Harden has to go his fat suit. He's gonna try
to be Superman now. He's gonna play for his team.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
He's gonna be always gonna show up the camp best
shape of his lives.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
He's gonna look jacked.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
He might, But I also remember all of the Diami
Brown moments and all the other guys that they've used
the case, all those other guys that have been around,
and also how well they utilized the running backs last
year too, and how important at times that you had
Austin Eckler being important in that offense too, mcclaurin. For me, again,
(28:56):
I probably take over Higgins, but it's very close. I
probably go Klaurin Higgins, like really close together. Then probably
JSN and Maconkey. But that is a sweet spot too,
so for you and Bob who still like to take
those running backs early. You know, if you take a
Saquan or a Bijeon right and you loose back around
to you in the third round, you're probably looking at
this group of wide receivers to double up. I think
(29:18):
that's actually a nice way to build in twenty twenty five.
It might even be my preference to build if I
don't get Chaser Jefferson, Like, that's very very intriguing to me.
What do you think of that in terms of I
know it's early to think about builds, but it kind
of makes sense, like if you are going to go
early running back man, like this group of wide receivers,
and I didn't even mention also in this grouping right
(29:39):
after Mike Evans, Garrett Wilson, DeVante Adams, all of which
are in pretty good spots as well well.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Looking at half PPR too, there's this big hole though,
So looking over on Fantasy Pro's ranks, you've got like
Barkley and Bijon at the top, but inside the top
twelve after that, I guess you have Jamior Gibbs and
then Derek Henry. But there's only four running backs in there,
So I guess that bill that you're talking about for
me would probably end up having to be like, I
get Jamior Gibbs at five or six, and then I
(30:06):
come back around and I'm staring at you know again,
maybe like an AJ Brown, maybe Malik neighbors Falls a
little bit, or Bucky Irving specifically, and then I would
jump in into that third round and that's where you
start looking at like JSN T. Higgins and stuff like that.
I could definitely, I could definitely see it though. There
definitely is a hole between like five and twenty of
(30:27):
only like just a couple running backs that make a
lot of sense, So you know, high pick I'm more
likely to look at Bijon and Barkley and then come
back around and do what you're talking about. Yeah, it's
gonna be fun. To start playing around with some.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Of these bills. Yeah, I'm still Chase one, Jefferson two.
I don't care if it's JJ McCarthy or whoever it
ends up like, I'm still yeah what he did last
year with Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You know, Jefferson's four on the rank.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I know it's surb to for you, so exactly, so
I'll draft four. That's fine, you want to give you
my spot. I'll take four any day. I like Bijon
after that then Barkley, and I know that it's going
to be unpopular, you know, But I keep going back
to the data, and the data keeps telling me it
was a glorious, magical, wonderful season for Saquon Barkley, but
we crossed that four hundred touch threshold. The next year
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is bad. The data tells you every single year it's bad.
Guys don't come back and play at the same level.
And I know at times they tried to, you know,
measure him out, and I know they did skip him
one game there at the end, and I know I
get all that, but it doesn't matter. You know, history
dictates otherwise to us. Even Derrick Henry wasn't immune to it.
So that to me is something to keep an eye
(31:33):
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(31:55):
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Look how happy I am. Look how I'm pointing right
here to the discord. That's what it looks like. Oh,
(32:15):
oh here, you know what I'm saying. Oh look at
his discord. Oh it's unbelievable, baby, Oh, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Seeing these shots from the photo shoot pop up in
artwork is just phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
They are a good time, all right. Speaking of ridiculous,
Scott Bagman sends us a lot of reels. That's that
he's our friend. This is what he does. He's that friend.
Every friend group has that one person that sends more
reels than everybody else. And you know, sometimes you then
start trolling around on things and when you click on
one thing, then all of a sudden, it just gets
in your algorithm. And I don't know what I was
looking at, but you know, it got to a point
(32:48):
where and don't get afraid, everybody, this is just fun stuff.
This is like something I think it's called epic Wars
right where they take like Roman soldiers, you know, a
thousand Roman soldiers against twenty Civil War soldiers and things.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
That's just like the computer generated thing.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
It's the computer generate thing.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Have you watched one last night?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Oh yeah, it's like it's this game and it'll be like, yeah,
it'll be like one hundred hulks versus one million scarlet
witches or something like that.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yes, well, this was I watched this one.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
This is okay, all right, I watched it.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I saw this one, but this one made me laugh
because it was one hundred Harry Potters versus a million
Kermit the frogs. So I want everybody in the chat,
and if you're watching on the YouTube channel too, as
you're watching, I want you to make a prediction here,
who do you think would win this matchup? Because I
was watching it yesterday and I'm thinking to myself, well,
Harry Potter's magic, So why can't Harry Potter? You know,
(33:41):
it's one hundred of them. That's got to be enough spells.
There's got to be enough, you know, Avodica Dowber. It
depends on how fast, right.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
But see I didn't like that they were running right here.
It's like, no, Harry, don't even run at all. Get
space between your curments, right, and then space between Kermit's
last key.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Can we get that on a shirt?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
You always put space between your kurments. So to see
now Potter is just destroying in this angle. It looks like, hey,
Harry Potter's doing some work on Kermits. Kermits are coming in.
But then when it starts to span out, you remember
it's a million cerments that they're blasting about. I don't know,
roughly like each Harry Potter looks like he's getting a
couple but look at that. Look at it.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I mean, it's just overwhelming. It's too many kermits.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I think they went too many kermits.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I think that's the problem because you can see eventually
the Kurments are just enveloping the Harry.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Potters and now there's a mountain of dead Kermits that
only a few Harry Potters are on. And look, but
look at the existance around numbers. It's a lake of kermits.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I was also like to see this with other muppets,
like how many animals? You know? I also wanted to
know how many miss Piggies does it take to destroy
a million Kurments? And I think the answer might be one,
just one, because as you can see, Harry Potter eliminated
six hundred and nineteen thousand, but eventually all the Harry
Potters were killed off.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I want to know what game this is? Where people
do I don't even have a million of these, but.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I sorted to be thinking too, like I want to see,
like do we do content team versus dev team? Like
can we create powers for ourselves? Or even like the
football guys against the baseball guys here fantasy pros. I
think it's so unreal. Engine is what CALLI, our producer
is saying, But I want to know what Kermit's doing though.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
By the way, what exactly were the Kermits doing to
the Harry Potters.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I think they just overwhelmed them.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
They just over drubbing them, rubbing his rubbing his little
lightning bolt.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Well, I guess you have enough Kermits. Like, if I'm
the Kermits, my strategy is all of us get up
there on Harry Potter's quctually can all you gotta do
is cover the mouth, right, because you can't say the spell?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Kind of a problem, right, I don't know, Kermit, it's
pretty evil.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, I'm just saying, So there you go. I just
wanted to bring that to It's funny that you saw
this one. Some of them are really interesting and then
some of them are really stupid. This was one that
was really stupid in it.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
And it's always like it's like, you know, fifty versus
a million or something like that. I want to see
fifty Joe piece of piass versus fifty Mike Mayers and
see who.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Can we do that for Leading Off, which, by the way,
coming to Twitch this week, So leading off noon two
days this week because we've got actual baseball to talk about.
So we're doing like a little early leading off. Now
the question is, Welsh, will you wake up that early
to watch the baseball games in Japan tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah? What time? Isn't it like we're at noon.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
The game time? I don't Eastern time. I don't even know.
It's like four o'clock my time.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
So I'm not just never five pm Eastern or something like. No,
I probably won't. No, it's tomorrow. That's tomorrow. That would
be up at oh god thirty. Yeah, I think it's
some ridiculous time. It's three am on the way on
the West coast, which I am pst right now.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
So no, yeah, And I still, for the love of God,
will it hurts my brain when I consider how you
guys do the time change in Arizona, where you change
the times, you just change time zones. I it's it is.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It is stressful because I'm like worried I'm gonna miss
things because now everything is an hour back for me.
We don't change our clocks like you guys do, but
like things have changed, so I'm always worried on trying
to decipher. It's it's a problem. Mountain Standard to Pacific
I'm at right.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Now here's les.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Let's walk it down.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Two thousand Ryan Wormley's against one Mic Mayor mm Deebro's
taking Mayor. I gotta say, like Mayor fights dirty. You know,
I think he would.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Find a way to do this, like I have one.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Mayor is plenty, you know, two thousand it was five
thousand Ryan Warmleys. Maybe, yeah, I think I think that's
the funny part of.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Oh yeah, like one arm.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Mayor is in full of recovery from his arm surgery.
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take over? T? Higgins? I'm curious because you got JSN,
you got Terry McLaurin, you got lad McConkey, you got
maybe even a DeVante Adams. I mean he's a number
two receiver to last time I checked. So I love
(37:57):
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Welcome bit everybody to Fantasy pros. This is the Fantasy
Football Podcast and it is out of bounds and it's me,
Joey Paige. Joe Pi's Apia with me is my other
best friend, the Welsh. Because Bogman is stuck at an
airport in Tampa. Oh my goodness. He called me last
night said the weather is terrible. He is not gonna
make it to today's show. He went for some fun
(00:22):
and this is what happens. You go to Florida and
you think it's all gonna be fun and games. Next
thing you know, Florida starts to take over. And we've
learned that lesson. It's a hard lesson here on the show.
We've been talking about the Florida Man all before for
the last few weeks. Welsh, what are the chances that
Bogman never returns to Texas and just becomes a Florida man.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I don't know, but he told me he will never
ever be flying to Tampa or Florida again. It will
be only a drive. He was supposed to come back
yesterday and it brought back like fears we all had
when we were in Vegas. There was this like torrential
snowstorm around the country that was literally delayed every single
person's flight. A couple got canceled, and Bogman was texting
(01:04):
me he's out, he has He's being re routed to
Cleveland and then hopefully get back to Houston. So I
don't know he is. He might. What's that movie with
Tom Hanks about the guy that was just stuck in
an airport for like eight months and just lives there.
That might be Bogman.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Uh Forrest Gump. No, uh, the air up there? Is
that what it is?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I don't remember what it was called, but it's like
the real life story about the guy that got just
like stuck in just because of like visa stuff in
the airport.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
In the airport, Yeah, that could be. Well, you know,
Scott Bogman does have the beard already growing, so we'll
see what it looks like by the time he hopefully
comes back next week. But we got a lot of
football to get to today and a lot of fun
things to talk about, including we have a landing spot
for Cooper Cup. We have got some rumors floating around.
We've also got some intrigue at the running back position.
I can't wait to talk to Welsh about and some
(01:54):
big news on the Bengals, not one, but two big signings.
But first let's get to Cooper Cup because it's fun.
Seahawks have officially signed Cooper Cup to a three year,
forty five million dollar contract. Yeah, sure, three years. We'll
see how that works out. But let's talk about this
Welsh because Cooper Cup, obviously it was over. It was
done for him with the Rams. He has had a
(02:15):
myriad of injuries over the years. He's at a two
year window where he had some of the largest volume
we've seen from a wide receiver, and it's clearly taking
its toll on him. And I think a lot of
people were buying back in last year and now I
feel like there's going to be the potential for people
to want to buy in again because every time somebody
goes to a new team, everybody thinks, well, it's all
(02:36):
going to be better. Now he's in a different environment.
Maybe WELD give him another shot. I don't know about you.
I am still out on Cooper Cup. I know the
ADP is probably still going to be pretty low. I
understand the thought process is, well, Jsn's the only other
real wide receiver there. Why not Cooper Cup, to which
I say, have you paid attention to how few games
he has played and played effectively in the last basically
(02:57):
three years. So, Welsh, what are your thoughts of the
Cooper Cup signing and your constitution as it were to
reinvest potentially in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I guess the You know, we were talking last week.
One of the things it was like, so what are
the Seahawks doing? What are you doing? Trading Geno? Then
you're signing Darnold and you trade a DK and now
you brought in Cooper Cup. It's been kind of hard
to figure out. So I guess it's maybe coming together
a tiny bit. But like everybody at Nauseum has said
the same thing, and I don't disagree. It's like they're
(03:28):
all slot guys. Like you took another like prominent slot
wide receiver with JSN, So again, what is the plan
are you going to just bring? Is it like Bobo
is gonna go? And what like what are you gonna
do on the outsides? Are you going to have both
of these guys just be the slot kings. I'm not
one hundred percent sure. His an effectiveness of separation was
on point last year. I mean, that's why you know
(03:49):
he wasn't getting targets and his health is in question.
I do think this has the potential to be a
boost for his fantasy value. I'm just not sure it's
going to be Like there was a point last he
remember where some people were like, Hey, he's gonna be
a big breakout, He's gonna be one of the best
values out there. I'm really not sure that that's gonna happen.
(04:10):
But I do think there's an opportunity for targets. Darnold
good quarterback. I like him there, but like, like, where
is he at? Do you know, I'm gonna look real quick.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
At well, while you look at that, I'm I'm I'm
chuckling because the air up there is a Kevin Bacon
movie where he is scouting the potential basketball players. I
want to say in Africa, and that is not it's
the terminal. That's the name of the top.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Is the terminal. Yeah, but I would like to.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Maybe have a layover in an African nation and perhaps
become a basketball scout. I think that would be a
really interesting turn for Scott Bogman at this juncture in
his career.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
A five foot eight you know, the flats a little coiner,
Yeah yeah, I guess yeah. No, a Bogman look good
with the beer. They'd be like Luca, like no, no, no.
Cooper Cup, by the way, currently on ECR over on
Fantasy Pros, we've got ranks up. You guys can check
it out. He's one hundred and fourth overall, forty third
(05:10):
at wide receiver. I kind of to tell you, I
think like that might be a value as long as
he doesn't push inside the top thirty six, Like what
would you project at like targets, Like what is the
positive or negative to Cooper Cup in Seattle right now?
Outside of like figuring out what the hell the same
is going to be?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You know, I just think the players washed. And it's
something that I think we all learned the hard way
this year in a very short period of time with
the trade deadline, where DeAndre Hopkins went to the Chiefs
and did nothing, and Mariy Cooper went to the Bills
and did nothing, and Deontay Johnson went everywhere and did nothing,
And I think we all just look at each other going, well,
maybe sometimes these things just end, and even though they
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go to situations that appear better for them, maybe on paper.
Sometimes not all of them, but sometimes that is a
very uh I think dangerous road to go down right now.
Jalen mcn ollen's going near him, Jacobe Myers going near Khalioshakir.
I'm taking all those guys over him. I'm probably taking
Juwan Jennings going after him. Michael Pittman Junior probably after
him as well. Keenan Allen hasn't signed yet. I would
(06:12):
probably take Keenan Allen over him as well. So Cooper
Cup Again, just because a guy gets a fresh start
doesn't mean it should be a restart for him on
your fantasy invent.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You know, it would have been great if they had, you know,
like a wide receiver like I don't know, like a
DK Metcalf who could stretch the field. That's the thing
that you're missing though, if he nearly had, if they
only could have acquired a wide receiver that can stretch
the field. I don't have a problem with two guys
that are gonna play like short yardage and try to
get yak and stuff. But who's gonna stretch the safeties
out on that team right now? Jsen, I don't think
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he's going to become their deep options. So that is
kind of weird.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Well, we'll see what happens. I mean, there's still plenty
of time. And there's also that little thing called the
NFL Draft. We've got more. Actually, there's a fantasy move
that I actually really do like from NFL free agency.
We're gonna talk about in a second, Deep Bro saying
Matthew Golden the Seattle. Don't you dare put that evil
on him, Ricky Bobby. I want Matthew Golden going to
a much better situation than that. Let's go to Black
Raptors question here. Black Raptor, by the way, I believe
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the winner of our MLB show draft from last week
on Twitch. Here on the channel, make sure you subscribe.
We are live here on the twitch again, Twitch dot
tv slash Fantasy Pros the first one we did over there.
We're gonna do a lot of NFL drafts on the
Twitch this year. They have a dynasty question. Not necessarily
need a running back, but I got offered Bjon Robinson
for my twenty twenty five first round pick and my
twenty twenty five third round pick. In the dynasty draft,
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I'm ninth overall in every round. Do I accept? I
say yes? It's a good running back class, but b
Jon Robinson is on the precipice of becoming an absolute superstar,
and he's already shown you that he can do it.
You don't know where these other guys. I mean, it
depends on what your draft is, too, Like if a
draft is before usually it's after the NFL Draft. But
(07:53):
I would be taking Bijon and giving up that extra
third round pick in a second, how about you, Welsh?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, this one's ninety been a question because it's the
ninth pick. Let me let me throw a little curveball.
Maybe would you do it for the first overall pick
and the because I know I would ask I.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Would because if you Saire's Gendy or b Jon Robinson?
Who I want next year in the next two years,
it's probably Vijon. And Gendy is smaller too, he's only
five to eight. You know, we don't know how it's
going to all work out. I'm very cautiously optimistic about it,
but I'm taking the proven guy who is still very young,
who's in a situation where we know where it is,
we know who the quarterback is, we know what it's
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going to look like, and there's no questions. I don't
like a lot of questions now. The Denver Broncos they
had questions at tight end, but they answered it with
Evan Ingram comes over from the Jaguars two year deal.
I love this because Evan Ingram is the perfect fit
for a guy with a short a dot in the
quarterback there Bo Nicks and to me, I'm looking right
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now and worry he's listed. He's the tenth tight end
on Fantasy pros rankings right now. I think I feel
better at taking him than I do about David and
Joko at eight, Travis Kelsey at nine. Maybe not, but
John U Smith as good as it was last year,
I don't know if we're necessarily locked into that being
a copy and past situation year over year. Where do
you stand with this Evan Ingram Sonning because I actually
(09:13):
really like this one, and to me, this is one
that could rebirth this fantasy value because last year there's
a lot of injuries, a lot of inconsistency. I feel
like this is the perfect fit when you're looking for
Evan Ingram, who was supposed to just be a guy
who could even end up being the second biggest target
Getterer in this offense.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, by the way, a big plus for people coming
in and hanging out. We got the King of Bros,
Debro in the chat and hanging out with us, and
Debro had put in here Ingram would be a top
five tight end and I think that's on the table here.
I think maybe the only question is about that offense
and how they separate targets. You know, that was one
of the problems sometimes you would have is like obviously
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Cortinland Sutton would get like a decent amount of those targets,
but then it would just be like seven other wide receivers,
the balls flying everywhere. There wasn't a concentrated focus on targets.
Maybe Ingram will provide that and they'll start to hone
it in a little bit because I didn't want The
only thing I never loved was how bo Nicks are,
how they ran that offense, being like a chief's light,
(10:13):
you know, where every single weekend it's eight different players
getting a target. But Evan Ingram is built for a
massive amount of targets. There's some touchdown equity in there.
Bo Nicks being able to move around the pocket. This
is like an awesome on paper fit and I think
there's a lot of upside. I guess we just need
to see how the offense is going to readjust and
(10:33):
make him a focal point in the offense because I'm
not really sure how much bo Nix is going to
have that be a a big spot in as far
as his targets go outside of Courtland Sutton. But I'm
hopeful and I kind of agree. I think this could
lead to him being a top five tight end this year.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Here's a question from Prime here, what about Mims and
the offense after great finish to the season? Sleeper in
twenty twenty five. Again, I just worry about the target volume.
I just think Ingram comes out all over. I think
that Mims will get a couple of shots here and there,
like he's maybe a flexworthy guy in certain situations, but
I don't feel good about how more a weekly basis
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in terms of the target share that he's getting in
the offense.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Ingram would actually make this worse. He'd actually make this
situation worse because, like Deebro said in here, it's another thing,
it's what the packers do. What's so I screamed about
it last year all year on these shows. Joe was
they just scheme out. It's like you would put what
was it Wis and Watson together and then you put
read and I'm forgetting the like they would always do
(11:34):
those stupid little scheme wide receivers and never have constant guys.
It's gonna make it worse if they end up doing that,
if with the Broncos continue to do that four guy
like Mims, because you not only now have Sutton who's
going to get a regular set of targets. It's not
going to be Ingram. So no, I don't think it's
good for Mems at all unless they committed to him
getting out of these stupid, like you know, scheme rotations.
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Speaker 1 (13:18):
All right, so while we were away last week, some
rbs started resigning and acquiring and all this stuff. So
Kareem Hunt goes back to the Chiefs. Which it's funny
because I remember having a conversation about Isaiah Pachecko. I
don't know what it's on this show or another show
we were talking about. I know I was a guest
of the CBS podcast and we were talking about Pachecko.
(13:39):
Somebody was asking that question. I was like, I would
rather take the Picks over Pacheco going into next year.
And that was before Kareem Hunt signed. Then you had
Jordan Mason, who played terrific in circumstances for the forty
nine ers last year. When called upon he goes to
the Vikings. The only thing ahead of him is Aaron Jones,
who was an older running back. And then Rico Dowdle,
formerly of the Cowboys, goes on one year deal to
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the Panthers, which I don't think is the you know,
necessarily what everybody had on their bingo cards. So all
these three running backs who landed in these three spaces,
who's the most tempting to you to invest it in
twenty twenty five because Cuba was very good last year,
Aaron Jones was very good last year, and a Kareem
Hunt kind of had to step in and be the
guy while Pachecko was out. So it's not like these
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three names couldn't be useful this season.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Man, I think this might be just a toss up
because I think Kareem Hunt resigning seems like absolutely detrimental
to Isaiah Pacheco. One of the things that could come
out of this though, and pretty clearly, is like Pachecko's
injury are coming back from injury last season could have
just stunted him from volume because he just disappeared, he
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went the wrong way. It was like he came back,
he got carries, and then he just started tailing down,
and I didn't know what the hell was going on
with this. So like in theory, Kareem Hunts looks like
it could be the best, but I think it just
might be an other piece of insurance as Pacheco gets healthier.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Pacheco's caries go back up.
I want to say Jordan Mason is the most interesting.
(15:09):
They gave him a two year contract. The only problem is,
like Aaron Jones is not gonna unseat it, just you know,
maybe he goes from whatever, you know, sixteen fifteen sixteen
touches a game down a tiny bit. I'm just not
sure Jordan Mason's ever gonna be able to get massive volume.
But you are putting a rookie quarterback in there, maybe
you want to establish a little bit more on the run.
(15:29):
Both of these guys can catch out of the backfield.
I'm not in on Rico. This is Cuba's backfield. Cuba's
gonna roll here. So I guess if I had to
rank them, it would probably be Mason Hunt and then Rico.
But I really think we got to see how this
all plays out. Mason is the one guy I think
that could completely take over a backfield.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Of all of these players, Yeah, I think Mason. There's
father man friend of the show here on our discord too,
talking about Mason. I could see myself having some shares
of Rico and Mason because I know the ADP is
going to be less. I'm somebody who goes after wide
receiver early so taking shots at RB, you know, you
never know what happens here. And you know what Jonathan
Brooks in that situation in Carolina too. I mean, it's
(16:11):
so unfortunate because he was gonna be the next big
thing potentially, and then you know, two ACL tears are
the same knee. I'd be surprised if he ever played
the NFL. And I know that's just depressing. I don't
want to be depressing. It's just not something that happened,
like Thomas Davis had two torn acls and came back
and played. I think there's not a lot of names
out there. There's just not a lot of guys where
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you have the double tear and it works out for
you NFL career, no matter how young or old you are.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Way he was going last year, do you remember how
high he was going in drafts?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Like he was Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Oh, Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And you recall the conversations I know Derek Brown does
of me yelling at people and talking about well, you know, look,
maybe week ten is when you get him at the most,
like that's the best case in AROWL and everyone thought
I was crazy. I was like week ten, maybe week
eleven twelve, that might be your best case scenario when
people were putting way too much in him.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And I think ahead of Cuba, he was going ahead.
Oh yeah, But I mean it just mean hindsight here.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
But you know it deeper brings up the point about
Checko on being fully healthy. Well, but Checko doesn't have
a great track record of being healthy. The style in
which he plays, in the frame that he has that
hasn't been great, and it is something I think we
all have to kind of, you know, wrap our minds
around a little bit too. By the way, I was
just thinking this, you know, do you think that Bogman
didn't come today because he was worried because you were
(17:29):
talking about Mason's and it reminded me of Mason Rudolph
did come back to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Do you think
he just wanted to avoid the show, just not to
talk about that or any other potential Steeler quarterback signing.
You think he was like, per No, I'll go to
Tampa and get stuck in the airport and then I
won't to have to talk about the Steelers quarterback situation.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
If you were on the if if anyone was like
watching live on the show or rewatched it over on Twitch,
you would have seen. It was just like news news
news news. Signing signings were just happening left and right
live on this show. You hundred percent No, he was
terrified that Aaron Rodgers is gonna sign it yet, but
at this point, you know, I mean, just to talk
about it for a second, it seems from all the
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news that's out there that it's Minnesota or bust. Like
I don't know if you saw that rumor that it
was like if Minnesota doesn't come to terms, oh he
might just rebuke the others.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And it was literally the Brett Farv.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Farr said he should sign there. Farv was like on
some show and was like he should sign with Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Like okay, yeah, okay, yeah. Well, I don't know if
I'm taking any advice from Brett Farr about anything. I
don't know if that's the best idea, just saying. Also
in the rumor mill, speaking of Aaron Rodgers, as you mentioned,
the Vikings are seriously discussing that possibility. Jameis Winston is
gonna meet with the Giants on Tuesday. We'll see how
that goes, and the Eagles are open to trade talks
involving Dallas Goddard. Now, I thought that one was a
(18:48):
little curious here. I didn't quite get that. But the
Eagles are in a situation where they're gonna have I
think twenty draft picks in the next two drafts because
of all the guys that have gone away the agency
and all the things they've done. And I don't know
Howie Roseman is pretty dangerous with those draft picks. I
think that's pretty terrifying for the rest of the league
to give him that much draft capital work with. However,
(19:10):
I was surprised that Goddard was potentially on that block
any landing spots in your mind that a team that
could benefit could use some tight end help potentially in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah. You know.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
The one thing I was going to say real quick
before that is that I think the Eagles are taking
a little bit of that forty nine ers approach as well.
I mean, the Niners are a test case. Look at
what they're doing. They're just they're just depleting, depleting a
They're just selling everybody. It feels like they're selling for nothing.
They just sold away Jordan Mason. They're half of their
defense has gone because you've got to get your young
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draft picks. You've got to build them up so they
can have replacements when these bigger guys are needing contracts,
and so you can avoid paying these big contracts. So
I think that might be part of like a need scenario,
knowing that you know, maybe they're going to bring in
a young guy, they're not gonna they don't want to
pay him, and they want to like clean up books
a little bit. Actually, like Deebro's down there Indianapolis. I
think Indianapolis would be a really good spot for him.
(20:05):
I would imagine Goddard is gonna want to because I
think you could play out like there's you know, half
a dozen kind of non winning teams out there that
you could go to. Indianapolis is kind of on the precipice.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I think Jacksonville too, now there's a void at the
tight end. Phasis I sure, I think Jacksonville will be
an interesting one too, for somebody to come in Duvall
and remake this team a little bit. You know, we
all know what's going on there, all right, Fringe you
So those are the rumors. Let's put onto non rumors
the facts the Bengals made some big news. They spent
some money Jamar Chase four years, one hundred and sixty
one million dollar contract extension. He is the highest paid
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non quarterback in NFL history. Good on him. I mean
that dude absolutely balled out last year. And my god,
if there isn't a good reason to look at that
and say this is what happens when guys are playing
for contracts, I don't know what is. I mean, it
was spectacular, but the surprise is that they got the
t Higgins deal done two four years, one hundred and fifteen.
The Bengals are still hoping assigned Trey Hendrickson. I think
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they will. I think they're gonna continue to figure this out.
I don't know what else is going to be on
that defense. But we are right back to where we
were last year going in, which is we have Jamar Chase,
T Higgins and we have Joe Burrow. I think this
is going to be a really interesting scenario here because
I expect the Chiefs to take a step back. I
think that division is going to be much improved again
year over a year and far more competitive. I don't
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think it's this cake walk to a bye week for
the Chiefs into two home playoff games next year. I
just don't see that happening. Everybody's a year older. And
I also think that you're looking at potentially here that
the window for the Ravens, the Bills, and perhaps the
Bengals could not get better in terms of like, look,
we've got our arsenal of weapons, it's time to really
(21:44):
make that push. So what do you think about these
two signings here and the upside for maybe even a
Joe Burrow MVP with all these weapons, if they say healthy, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I definitely think that's on the MVP, Like it might
be really good. I don't know what you know some
of those early lines are going to look like, but
that would be a good one to throw. And the
division I think you're kind of alluding to is like
becoming maybe more obtainable. The Steelers look like they're on
kind of a down trend right now. They're trying to
pick up the pieces. The Browns are obviously on that.
So it's like if it's a two horse race. I
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actually think like re signing getting Chase done with Higgins
was the key, Like not that you wouldn't obviously want
to like resign Jamar Chase, but it would feel maybe
like the tiniest bit empty, like, oh great, we got
Chase done, but then you got this big hole of
what's gonna happen with t Higgins. To get them done
at the same time, I think was key because it
is a ridiculous one two punch and Joe Burrow needs it.
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He needs those targets. They want to get that passing
game going. So I think it's a good, controllable offense.
I think they need to probably put a big heavy
focus in the draft on defense. But yeah, I mean
I don't know, like you said that, like the Chiefs
are kind of even trending down, like the AFC is.
It's a little open right now. And yeah, one or
two moves away. You know, the Bengals re signed. They
(22:57):
got their big core pieces, but you know, they shot
everybody and maybe you know, hit on a good draft
pick defensively, or maybe make a trade. It seems like
second away from being done.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I mean, if they can, if they could do what
the Eagles did last year and just nail those you know,
nail two secondary picks in the first two rounds, you
could do that, that would be that'd be swell like,
that's exactly what you want to do. Let's think another
question here and we'll talk more about the rankings of
t Higgins across the board on some other players too.
As from Wayne Wright, I have a championship winning dynasty team.
One of my league mates mentioned he might trade Derrick
(23:27):
Henry for my one twelve pick. What do you think
I've got Saquon Bijon, Brian Robinson, Charbonnay, and Tyler Algier.
I was thinking of keeping my pick to get a
good future RB. It is a good draft for the RBS.
That is a tougher one because Henry's probably got one
more good year for sure. I think in him maybe
a second one. It's a little trickier. Welsh, where do
(23:51):
you stand with this one one twelve? You're gonna miss
out on Look, it's not an elite quarterback class, right,
so for your three quarterbacks are gonna go, you probably
get the tight end to go. You'll probably get four
wide receivers, so you are probably looking at you know,
Jend's never going to make it to you twelve. I
don't think Hampton gets there is a the Caleb Johnson's
of the world. I feel like, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I'm looking at. We also have rookie ranks if you
want to check it out, pretty good almost it's a
little over thirty experts as well. On Fantasy Pros. You
can go check it out under NFL rankings, you can
select rookies and at twelve it's cam Ward, but right
above is Caleb Johnson. So Caleb Johnson is ranked as
the eleventh overall player. But you know that's going to
(24:31):
be kind of tough to hope for here. I mean,
I don't know. Maybe if someone reaches for like a
Travis Hunter and it drops him, Caleb Johnson's the most likely.
But the other one would I think more likely is
like a Cam's Skataboo. I think Skataboo is probably the
running back that you're looking at. I know Bogman's really.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
That I want him Derrick Henry because yeah, camp Scattaboo
is fun, but I just don't know if he can
do it in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
So here's the only other kind of caveat though. Look
at those running backs he had, how many can you start?
How many can he get in there? Because he had
was that one Bijon and then Brian.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Robinson Saquon last year. Again, you know, we get to
that threshold. I want to double check my numbers here,
but you know, we talked about it at nauseum last
year about the four hundred and seventeen touches of Christian
McCaffrey from the regular season for the playoffs two years ago.
Last year three hundred and forty five attempts in the season.
For receptions, he had thirty three. So we're pushing there,
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and by the time we get to playoffs obviously well
over four hundred. So we're in that same range with Saquon,
and typically going into the next year that does not
work out well for guys staying healthy. So if you
are kind of in this win now mode a little
bit too, like you just won, maybe you go all
in one more year, try to win one more time.
I don't think that's a bad idea, and you get
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Derrick Henry. Like Derrick Henry could continue to just blow
everybody's mind and just play way longer than anybody could
possibly fathom because he's such a freak of nature. I'm
just I'm very willing in this class to in my
dynasty leagues to move as high up as I possibly
can with all the draft capital I can, or as
far out of this draft is into next year, because
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there's a few handful of players I like. But I'm
just not overall in love with the depth of this class,
like I have a couple of years ago, like I
remember drafting Khalil Shakir in like the fourth fifth round
of a Dynasty rookie draft a couple of years ago,
just you know, always seeing these guys where I was like, Oh,
this guy's really interesting, or Pacheco's really interesting. There are
all these prospects I really liked. I don't have that
same feeling about this draft class. I want to go
(26:28):
back to t Higgins for a second, Welsh, because I
want to get your feeling right now. In the consensus
rankings on fantasypros dot Com, he is the twelfth wide receiver.
Feels about right for how much they throw the ball.
And if you're a fantasy manager, you want the Bengals
defense to suck because you want to be in shootouts
and you want all the fantasy points you possib can get,
So don't root too hard for that to change. Jsn
(26:49):
is at thirteen. Lad McConkie at fourteen, Terry McLaurin at fifteen.
Do you think T Higgin should be drafted over those
three guys? Oh? Man?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
You know lad Is Lad is the one that jumped
out to me where I'm like, m, it's super super close.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I not Terry. I mean Terry was pretty good last year,
and jayde and Daniels in year two.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah. No, I mean all of them are good. It
was just lads specifically kind of jumped out to me.
I think you can you can buy that. I mean,
you know, Terry's like he was, I mean, built a
mountain of his fantasy value off of those huge, huge plays,
and those big like fifty plus yard touchdown plays are
similar to like touchdown equity, Like how how much can
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you count on repeatability? The other two guys, you know,
working out of just like big you know, slot targets
left and right. I guess what I'm getting to is
like T Higgins to me, is like the complete wide receiver.
He's not built off of just having to be big,
long deep plays. He's not built off of just having
to play out of a slot. Even if he's a
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a wide receiver. Two, he plays as a wide receiver.
One also by the way, with Terry like they did,
bring Deebo in and we'll have to see what Deebo
does with some of that offense. But I think I
think the tier makes sense. But I do believe like
him being above it is the play.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I think it's very close. I think over Jackson Smith
a jig. When I'm good with over Lad. It depends
on format. If it's straight PPR, I'm listening, but it's half.
I want the touchdown equity that Higgins is gonna bring.
I think, yeah, yeah, I completely agree with that. McLaurin.
For me, that's the dice one because I just I love,
I'm in love with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
But Deebo doesn't do well. I mean, what about Devo
being in there. You know people's gonna pull his James
Harden has to go his fat suit. He's gonna try
to be Superman now. He's gonna play for his team.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
He's gonna be always gonna show up the camp best
shape of his lives.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
He's gonna look jacked.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
He might, But I also remember all of the Diami
Brown moments and all the other guys that they've used
the case, all those other guys that have been around,
and also how well they utilized the running backs last
year too, and how important at times that you had
Austin Eckler being important in that offense too, mcclaurin. For me, again,
(28:56):
I probably take over Higgins, but it's very close. I
probably go Klaurin Higgins, like really close together. Then probably
JSN and Maconkey. But that is a sweet spot too,
so for you and Bob who still like to take
those running backs early. You know, if you take a
Saquan or a Bijeon right and you loose back around
to you in the third round, you're probably looking at
this group of wide receivers to double up. I think
(29:18):
that's actually a nice way to build in twenty twenty five.
It might even be my preference to build if I
don't get Chaser Jefferson, Like, that's very very intriguing to me.
What do you think of that in terms of I
know it's early to think about builds, but it kind
of makes sense, like if you are going to go
early running back man, like this group of wide receivers,
and I didn't even mention also in this grouping right
(29:39):
after Mike Evans, Garrett Wilson, DeVante Adams, all of which
are in pretty good spots as well well.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Looking at half PPR too, there's this big hole though,
So looking over on Fantasy Pro's ranks, you've got like
Barkley and Bijon at the top, but inside the top
twelve after that, I guess you have Jamior Gibbs and
then Derek Henry. But there's only four running backs in there,
So I guess that bill that you're talking about for
me would probably end up having to be like, I
get Jamior Gibbs at five or six, and then I
(30:06):
come back around and I'm staring at you know again,
maybe like an AJ Brown, maybe Malik neighbors Falls a
little bit, or Bucky Irving specifically, and then I would
jump in into that third round and that's where you
start looking at like JSN T. Higgins and stuff like that.
I could definitely, I could definitely see it though. There
definitely is a hole between like five and twenty of
(30:27):
only like just a couple running backs that make a
lot of sense, So you know, high pick I'm more
likely to look at Bijon and Barkley and then come
back around and do what you're talking about. Yeah, it's
gonna be fun. To start playing around with some.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Of these bills. Yeah, I'm still Chase one, Jefferson two.
I don't care if it's JJ McCarthy or whoever it
ends up like, I'm still yeah what he did last
year with Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You know, Jefferson's four on the rank.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I know it's surb to for you, so exactly, so
I'll draft four. That's fine, you want to give you
my spot. I'll take four any day. I like Bijon
after that then Barkley, and I know that it's going
to be unpopular, you know, But I keep going back
to the data, and the data keeps telling me it
was a glorious, magical, wonderful season for Saquon Barkley, but
we crossed that four hundred touch threshold. The next year
(31:11):
is bad. The data tells you every single year it's bad.
Guys don't come back and play at the same level.
And I know at times they tried to, you know,
measure him out, and I know they did skip him
one game there at the end, and I know I
get all that, but it doesn't matter. You know, history
dictates otherwise to us. Even Derrick Henry wasn't immune to it.
So that to me is something to keep an eye
(31:33):
on and watch. But again, one of the great things
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(31:55):
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Look how happy I am. Look how I'm pointing right
here to the discord. That's what it looks like. Oh,
(32:15):
oh here, you know what I'm saying. Oh look at
his discord. Oh it's unbelievable, baby, Oh, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Seeing these shots from the photo shoot pop up in
artwork is just phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
They are a good time, all right. Speaking of ridiculous,
Scott Bagman sends us a lot of reels. That's that
he's our friend. This is what he does. He's that friend.
Every friend group has that one person that sends more
reels than everybody else. And you know, sometimes you then
start trolling around on things and when you click on
one thing, then all of a sudden, it just gets
in your algorithm. And I don't know what I was
looking at, but you know, it got to a point
(32:48):
where and don't get afraid, everybody, this is just fun stuff.
This is like something I think it's called epic Wars
right where they take like Roman soldiers, you know, a
thousand Roman soldiers against twenty Civil War soldiers and things.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
That's just like the computer generated thing.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
It's the computer generate thing.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Have you watched one last night?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Oh yeah, it's like it's this game and it'll be like, yeah,
it'll be like one hundred hulks versus one million scarlet
witches or something like that.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yes, well, this was I watched this one.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
This is okay, all right, I watched it.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I saw this one, but this one made me laugh
because it was one hundred Harry Potters versus a million
Kermit the frogs. So I want everybody in the chat,
and if you're watching on the YouTube channel too, as
you're watching, I want you to make a prediction here,
who do you think would win this matchup? Because I
was watching it yesterday and I'm thinking to myself, well,
Harry Potter's magic, So why can't Harry Potter? You know,
(33:41):
it's one hundred of them. That's got to be enough spells.
There's got to be enough, you know, Avodica Dowber. It
depends on how fast, right.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
But see I didn't like that they were running right here.
It's like, no, Harry, don't even run at all. Get
space between your curments, right, and then space between Kermit's
last key.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Can we get that on a shirt?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
You always put space between your kurments. So to see
now Potter is just destroying in this angle. It looks like, hey,
Harry Potter's doing some work on Kermits. Kermits are coming in.
But then when it starts to span out, you remember
it's a million cerments that they're blasting about. I don't know,
roughly like each Harry Potter looks like he's getting a
couple but look at that. Look at it.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I mean, it's just overwhelming. It's too many kermits.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I think they went too many kermits.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I think that's the problem because you can see eventually
the Kurments are just enveloping the Harry.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Potters and now there's a mountain of dead Kermits that
only a few Harry Potters are on. And look, but
look at the existance around numbers. It's a lake of kermits.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I was also like to see this with other muppets,
like how many animals? You know? I also wanted to
know how many miss Piggies does it take to destroy
a million Kurments? And I think the answer might be one,
just one, because as you can see, Harry Potter eliminated
six hundred and nineteen thousand, but eventually all the Harry
Potters were killed off.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I want to know what game this is? Where people
do I don't even have a million of these, but.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I sorted to be thinking too, like I want to see,
like do we do content team versus dev team? Like
can we create powers for ourselves? Or even like the
football guys against the baseball guys here fantasy pros. I
think it's so unreal. Engine is what CALLI, our producer
is saying, But I want to know what Kermit's doing though.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
By the way, what exactly were the Kermits doing to
the Harry Potters.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I think they just overwhelmed them.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
They just over drubbing them, rubbing his rubbing his little
lightning bolt.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Well, I guess you have enough Kermits. Like, if I'm
the Kermits, my strategy is all of us get up
there on Harry Potter's quctually can all you gotta do
is cover the mouth, right, because you can't say the spell?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Kind of a problem, right, I don't know, Kermit, it's
pretty evil.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, I'm just saying, So there you go. I just
wanted to bring that to It's funny that you saw
this one. Some of them are really interesting and then
some of them are really stupid. This was one that
was really stupid in it.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
And it's always like it's like, you know, fifty versus
a million or something like that. I want to see
fifty Joe piece of piass versus fifty Mike Mayers and
see who.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Can we do that for Leading Off, which, by the way,
coming to Twitch this week, So leading off noon two
days this week because we've got actual baseball to talk about.
So we're doing like a little early leading off. Now
the question is, Welsh, will you wake up that early
to watch the baseball games in Japan tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah? What time? Isn't it like we're at noon.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
The game time? I don't Eastern time. I don't even know.
It's like four o'clock my time.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
So I'm not just never five pm Eastern or something like. No,
I probably won't. No, it's tomorrow. That's tomorrow. That would
be up at oh god thirty. Yeah, I think it's
some ridiculous time. It's three am on the way on
the West coast, which I am pst right now.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
So no, yeah, And I still, for the love of God,
will it hurts my brain when I consider how you
guys do the time change in Arizona, where you change
the times, you just change time zones. I it's it is.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It is stressful because I'm like worried I'm gonna miss
things because now everything is an hour back for me.
We don't change our clocks like you guys do, but
like things have changed, so I'm always worried on trying
to decipher. It's it's a problem. Mountain Standard to Pacific
I'm at right.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Now here's les.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Let's walk it down.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Two thousand Ryan Wormley's against one Mic Mayor mm Deebro's
taking Mayor. I gotta say, like Mayor fights dirty. You know,
I think he would.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Find a way to do this, like I have one.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Mayor is plenty, you know, two thousand it was five
thousand Ryan Warmleys. Maybe, yeah, I think I think that's
the funny part of.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Oh yeah, like one arm.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Mayor is in full of recovery from his arm surgery.
So there you have it. And of course, if you're
watching on our YouTube, make sure you subscribe to the
YouTube channel. Drop your comments below. Two Who would you
take over? T? Higgins? I'm curious because you got JSN,
you got Terry McLaurin, you got lad McConkey, you got
maybe even a DeVante Adams. I mean he's a number
two receiver to last time I checked. So I love
(37:57):
here for all of you. Let the debate begin here,
And of course, if you want to watch us live
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of you. Take your questions, hang out, talk a little
ball and that'll do it for us. But the story
of the game goes on for the Welsh. I'm Joey P.
(38:19):
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