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June 20, 2025 • 46 mins

Join Joe Pisapia, Jake Ciely, and special guest Bob Harris from Footballguys as they highlight 12 running backs who have the potential to jump into RB1 territory in 2025!

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Kenneth Walker - 0:15:25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody to Fantasy pros. This is the Fantasy
Football Podcast. It is me Joey P joe Pisapia, and
today we've got a fun one for you. Every single year,
the running back position gives us some breakout stars they
can win you fantasy leagues. And we're gonna identify some
of those names where they're being drafted, where they are
in the ECR. And of course make sure you're ready

(00:21):
to get all this knowledge dropped on you right here
on the YouTube channel. Subscribe right now. We're trying to
get the three hundred thousand subscribers this season. I think
we can do it with your help and a little
bit of help from my friends here. Jake Seeley from
the Athletic joining us as always here. Good to see Jake,
but really good to see one of my favorite people
in the universe. The godfathers of fantasy football are very few,

(00:44):
and this is one of them. One of the heads
of the Five Families here and a bald brother as well.
He's one of the football diehard hosts on Sirius XM Radio.
He's a guy working for the football Guys still too.
He's Bob Harris, one of my mentors in good pals.
Bob Harris, so great to see you, my friend, and congratulations.
I heard a little time off this year for you.

(01:04):
Can I can only imagine you've been spending it all
on airports just watching people, because if you follow Bob
on social media, that's what he does.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I have, and it was glorious and delightful. It was
the first year if I ate, it's on serious and
like I want to say, this is what we're going
into our fourteenth year. And so we've always done, you know,
at least a weekly show in the alter season if
as I call it, there is no offseason. Everyone knows that.
But this year we got off. And so the trade
off though is you have to work every day when
we come back. So if you're a serious listener, I

(01:34):
apologize in advance. It will be impossible to miss me
seven days a week, five days a week through July
and August five day or eight to ten pm Eastern Time,
Monday through Friday. Then once the season starts, add the pregame,
add the NFL radio shows on Saturday nights, and you'll
probably hear guys like Joe P. Sapia and Jake Seely
on there regularly.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I don't know, Jake says, you guys don't text anymore. Jake,
I blame you personally for that, because you know, relationships
at two Way Street, and Bob always messages me all
the time. I said, Bob gifts, he comes to visit
me like we have a good relationship. But I think
you need to put yourself out there a little bit
more when it comes to maintaining that relationship with Bob.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Who comments the most on Barkley posts.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
I was gonna say that Bob and I actually have
a really good Instagram relationship with the we were slidding
into each other's dms.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
There you go, Oh the worst. All right, let's get
after it.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Boys.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Let's start to talk about some of these names here
on our list, and we're going to start here in
our first segment with some RB twos with RB one
Potential and Jake. One of the first guys we're going
to talk about is a guy that we've mentioned a
few times now. We agree on this, and I think
when Jake and I agree on something, everybody should take notice,
because sometimes we do disagree, but there's certainly a pathway
for the first running back we're going to talk about

(02:47):
because of who's in front of him, how he performed
this year as this past season as well, and the
offense that he finds himself now in twenty twenty five.
His name is Jordan Mason, who is now playing for
the Minnesota Vikings, So let's talk about him. His current
ECR is RB forty one. Jake, why do you think
Mason could potentially be one of these boons and breakouts
of the twenty twenty five season?

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Because I think the obvious situation here is everybody's gonna say, well,
if Aaron Jones gets hurt, Jordan Mason to the moon.
But I think there's a world where we could see
Jordan Mason take over this backfield, mostly because Aaron Jones
getting into that realm where he's not always been supremely
volume reliant, but he's been on the cost. But like
he's been very explosive. He's very good, but some of

(03:29):
his best years, as we all know with the Packers,
was volume was touchdown reliant as well. He's never been
the best, he's never been the most explosive. He's a
really good, like above average, really good above average running back,
but he's not elite. It's not like he's gonna say
this is his backfield if he's healthy. And I think
that's the interesting thing here is that you see Jordan Mason,

(03:49):
who had his own concerns coming out of college. But
I think you saw some Alfred Morris kind of similarities
in that big, strong guy who sometimes takes on a
little too much contact. But what we like and what
we've seen so far with the forty nine ers is
that he added some of that elusiveness with his athleticism
that we would hope he had. He's improved in the
passing game, which we had hoped he had, and he's
been very productive on a per touch basis. And some

(04:11):
people might be, well, it's the forty nine ers with
the Shanahan, where's he going. He's going to the Vikings,
Kevin O'Connell like, So it's one for one almost in
that aspect where I could see this being a time share.
And then if Aaron Jones continues to see a little
bit of a decline, it would not shock me if
this ends up probably no more than a sixty forty split,
but where all of a sudden we see Jordan Mason

(04:32):
take over.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, I agree, and I think that the potential for
him to take over that backfield is real. I don't
think enough people are talking about that. The narrative seems
to be just about, well, Aaron Jones not holding up,
He's thirty, all that stuff, and he does have a
lot of wear and tear, and I think you started
to see that a little bit last year. Real quick,
before we get to your name, Bob Any, thoughts on
Jordan Mason. Is he somebody your targeting in drafts this season?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yes, I think you know there's a little bit of
a premium on him. But if you're building your roster
the right way is like it was, top eight, didn't
breakaway running rate among sixty nine backs with fifty carries
or more last season. And I'm gonna use the silence
of the LAMB fantasy football theory here. What we cover
up what we see. And the Minnesota Vikings saw Jordan

(05:16):
Mason last year. He tore them asunder last year and
the memories are fresh. But I think Cam Mackers ty
Chandler Will worked behind Jones and combined for thirty five
percent of the carries. I think expecting Mason at the
baseline to fill that. Boy, it seems reasonable looking at
his abilities and skills, I think it'd be huge. I
saw Aaron Jones efficiency dropped down the stretch last year.

(05:36):
He went from like five yards to around four yards,
and like he mated all seventeen games he played beat up.
He got all kinds of career highs and touches and
snaps and whatnot. But again, he is aging. They didn't
pay him, so they still have some expectations when they
give him twenty million dollars Aaron Jones on an extension,
so they still have some expectations for him. But Jordan
Mason is not there by accident.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
I like that also, one of the few sounds of
the Lambs right diferences we've had this year. So make
sure you draft him with some.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Faers and of it what we see.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, it's a good one. It's a classic man. That
movie still holds up. I think I saw last year
for the first time in a while. Still holds up.
Man still a plus. All right, let's get to one
on Bob's list here of the RB twos that could
end up becoming RB ones. This is a guy in
Chewba Hubbard that is currently around the ECR of RB
eighteen that I feel like people just kind of take

(06:27):
for granted and forget about. And another one that got
paid and again seems to have the pathway yet again
in twenty twenty five to success Bob.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, they added Rego Dudle to fill the Miles Sanders role.
That'll be fine. Miles Sanders will tell you that he
wasn't especially busy there. He'll move on to Dallas and
have a good time. I think the thing about Hubbard
is this is the Dave Canallis plan, right, this is
how you fix the quarterback. Sure, if the middle of
the offensive line you run the football, your quarterback gets better.
It's magical. Works everywhere he goes. I do it worked here,

(06:57):
and I think we'll see a similar thing last year.
I know Jonathan Brooks, you know, injury kind of a
fortuitous circumstance. Right when good things happened, good players step up.
And again when we saw Hubbard career highs and attempts, yards, touchdowns, receptions,
he had another score of receiving, so that's eleven scores.
He was running back thirteen on a per game basis,

(07:18):
with sixteen and a half points. This to me is
like close enough that if he gets in the full season,
this offense rounds out a little better. Bryce Young becomes
more effective. Guess what, Bryce youngins quarterback six down the
stretch last year from Week twelve on. Adding a little
danger in the passing attack would open things up more
for Cuba Hubbard. So I think this is a guy
with a that's ideally situated to exceed his current ECO.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, last year ten rushing touchdowns for Cuba Hubbard, two
hundred and fifty attempts. He did miss the last couple
of games of the season, Jake, But I feel like
in some ways, you know, well, okay, well you can
there was certainly enough in twenty twenty four to go
on where you feel confident that basically we're running back
in Carolina with Cuba Hubbard. Yet the ECR or the
ADP all pretty suppressed. Still, Oh, they completely are.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
And I think part of it is perception of what
Chewba Hubbard was before this. And I'll include myself with that.
I wildly got Chewba Hubbard drong like. I just thought
he was a replacement level running back and I thought
that was the biggest thing. Is that Jonathan Brooks I'm
speaking to last year, even if it took him till
December to get to one hundred percent, and like, as
soon as he's one hundred percent, this is Jonathan Brooks backfield,

(08:23):
and I didn't give Hubbard the respect deserved. And I
think that it's interesting this year is like Miles Sanders gone,
I mean you look at this backfield, like, Okay, Rico Dwdell,
like we've seen Rico dadd will be the lead. And
I don't think he's a serious threat to Hubbard given
what we've seen Dawdell as the lead. Trevor etn I
was higher than most on him as a rookie, but
even so, I don't think he's a serious threat. And

(08:44):
I think you're looking at the chance here where what
did one thing that you know, Bob talked about with
Canalis in this offense is that they kind of lean
on one running back like other guys get sprinkled in.
But this isn't going to turn into a timeshare committee
situation where we need to be worried. So I think
that Chewbahrbard is definitively I'm with him. I think he's
in play to finish as a back end RB one.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Joe Sure talked to Mike from I think the strong
observer these days. Last year during the season just kind
of said, man, is this che a thing gonna gird
Ey said, Man, the coaches talk about him all the time.
They loved the violent rushing style. He's ideally suited to
what they want to do. I think there's I don't
I don't see there. I don't see there being any changes.
And the other thing, people forget he's got some wheels.

(09:23):
He was a he was a track guy, Canadian tracks.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
A great college career. That was the point I was
just going to make too, is like I think we
forget he was really productive in college. But people, I
think looked at him and said, well, you know, I
don't know if that's going to translate to the NFL,
But you're right, Bob, I mean, he does have wheels.
He clearly is endear himself to the coaching staff. I
wonder also, guys, if it's a bit of the perception
of the Panthers. I mean, they've just been so bad

(09:45):
for so long that we just kind of discount them.
But if you're paying attention, especially in the last six
weeks of seven weeks of last season, this was the
team that covered a lot of games that pushed a
lot of good teams to their brink, almost pulled off
a couple of upsets to and Canalis might just be
a genius. Anybody who can fix Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield
and then Bryce Young in three years in a row.
I mean, seriously, where's the coach of the year, Like,

(10:06):
can we give this guy some an offensive line?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I mean he's just sure, Yeah, jowing up the middle
was a big deal. But also like I mean when
you saw the what was it the Kansas City game?
I want to say last year when there came a
moment when Bryce Young magically became the thing he was
drafted ash look a quick process or a guy who
can beat the bliss and you know, and all the
things we heard and never saw as a rookie or
the first half of the season prior to his benching

(10:31):
in favor of Bandy Dalton. So I do think you're like,
we want to avoid these bad offense. And I tell everybody,
don't avoid bad offenses, just don't drill deep into them,
don't your team on them.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
This is what I talk about in the Black Book
a lot of times, right in the ecosystem in the
Black Book. That whole concept is invest in build building
blocks of your roster should be in good offenses as
much as you can, but it doesn't mean you can't
ignore value, and I think we all agree Hubbard is
definitely a value on there. Let's get to some more
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Speaker 1 (12:19):
Jake Sealy next running back to talk about on your list.
Here in the RB twos that could end up as
RB one's is Isaiah Pacheco. Now, I'm rooting for it,
but you gotta sell me on this one. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
I mean, I don't know if I'm gonna sell you
on it, because I just did a show earlier this
week with fits and we're talking a littlemented about the
fact that Pachecko might just not even happen this year.
But we're talking about potentials here. That doesn't necessarily mean
I believe one hundred percent. But I can give you
this scenario how it happens. And that's why Pacheck go's here.
It really comes down to the Pacheco last year we saw.
Isn't Pachecko like that just came back from injury. Sure

(12:53):
never got back to one hundred percent, and he wouldn't
be the first running back.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
To do this.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Of course, the downside is what if we go down
to Jervonte Williams route and he isn't the same Ever, again,
there is certainly risk here. I'm a fan of Richard Smith.
I think that he could be the Jerreed McKinnon in
this offense. Like there is risk that this is a
full blown committee and cream Hunt's still involved. They were
just going down and banging our heads against the wall mouth.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
A little when you said all that. Just want to
tell you.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
So the upside here is if Pachecko looks anything like
he did two years ago, If Pichecko just gets a
little chipped in in the passing game, and what the
biggest value here is touchdown equity. He's in the Chiefs
offense and that was part of his value two years ago.
And if he gets two hundred and forty two hundred
and fifty carries and he's the goal line option and

(13:37):
Kareem Hunt's a non factor, and that fall off that
we saw with the Browns shows back up with the
Chiefs and he's a non factor. And this is all
Pachecko getting the majority of the touches with a little
bit of Smith sprinkled in, then he's going to be
an RB one. It's going to be touchdown reliant, and
I'll probably be eleven twelve hundred yards, not sixteen hundred.
But there's a world where it comes into play, and
I would be out on Pachecko if he was RB sixteen,

(14:00):
RB twenty six. I'm willing to take that chance that, hey,
maybe he's back.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
And I think that is the bigger meta point here
for everybody. And Jake makes a very cogent argument and
a path for him to reach that success. The question
is is it at the right cost? Jake thinks, so, curious, Bob,
do you believe so? At RB twenty six, which is
about that range on the ECR and fantasypros dot Com.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Four other numbers two hundred and sixteen, four point three seven,
his weight and his current speed, he says, harkening back
to his combine days, also fifteen and nineteen. His carries
Week one last year fifteen carries in Week two, nineteen carries.
This seems to be the desire come We've seen guys
break their leg before and take a little while come
back around. Tony Poller would like you to know it

(14:41):
might take a whole year, or at least night or
months or so coming back from a similar injury, so
we'll see. He clearly wasn't the guy Checko coming off
that injury late last season, but the Chiefs knew it
and then they treated him like that. They didn't give
him what five carries in the playoffs in any game,
So I think efficienc he's there. Smith is a concern.
Bright Beach would like you to know that he can

(15:02):
draft late round running backs, Checko being one example. So
there's that. But I'm kind of with Jake. I think
it cost this seems really reasonable for guy. And look,
I think we're all drafting the Kansas City Chiefs as
though they are no longer going to run the football.
They are only going to throw the football. They're only
going to be deep passes. And all the guys that
we love in that receiving corps and Patrick Mahomes are

(15:22):
going to drive this offense. We'll see in three years.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
The next guy Bob's going to talk about has yet
to finish as an RB one he is being drafted
or ECR looking at him is around RB fifteen, so
he's right outside of that group. It's Ken Walker, who
has dealt with his share of injuries over the last
couple of years. But Bob, twenty twenty five, we're in
the year four of Walker. Why could it potentially be different?

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Well, I'm not actually drafting Ken for Walker. I'm drafting
Clint Kubiak, the offensive coordinator in Seattle, who like the scheme,
really favors him. Walker miss six games last year. He
averaged sixteen and a half points per game. That was
twelve among running backs. So we've tasted the running back
one rage is is running back twenty seven overall, I think,
and the draft price is right. Seattle finished like twenty

(16:05):
eighth in running last year. I think the big complaint
about him has been his tendency to be a home
run hitter, but he does run those outside zo play
as well. You heard Klick Kubiak talking lovingly about him.
And again when the number after the four in the
forty time is a three A for the running back position,
the coaches get a little bit weird about it, And
so I would say that's the thing. Zach Charbon is

(16:27):
still around, but the split wasn't close. When both of
them played eleven games together, Walker had sixty eight percent
of the carries fourteen percent of the targets compared to
Sharmony's nineteen percent and eight percent. Charmoney had six and
a half Fantasy points in those weeks. So as long
as Walker's in the locking up right position, I think
his opportunities will be there. The offensive scheme will favor him.
They actually worked on the offensive line this year. Imagine

(16:50):
that big change for John Schneider. No, offensive tackles don't
grow on threes. You have to get them and develop them, sir.
So hopefully all those things come together to put together
a great season for mister Kenneth Walker.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
The third Damien Martinez was also drafted this year at
running back position by them too low key kind of
like him too, is like a deeper League stash kind
of guy. Jake, do you have any thoughts on Ken
Walker this year? A frustrating guy because you hate when
guys missed time, and he's been one to miss time
or struggle with injuries. There's no doubt that when he's
on the field then at his best. He's certainly a
guy that I think is tempting from a fantasy perspective,

(17:24):
But what's your perspective.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
My perspective is I wanted to end the podcast because
I love Bob and I don't want to disagree with him, so.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
He's no disagree This is fun. He doesn't text you
now anyway, So what's true? It's not like true? Are
you going to ruin your great relationship over the last
couple of years when you've gone silent and gone dark
on each other?

Speaker 3 (17:42):
I will admit maybe I'll just never get the Seahawks
backfield right. But really what it comes down to is
people noticed in the comments because they came from me
weeks ago, and I said to clarify the conversation we were
having at the time, it was Swift versus Walker, and
I think Swift floor I know Swift is going to
check in his RB eighteen and I even said, if
you want somebody who can finish RB one that isn't Swift,

(18:03):
that is Kenneth Walker. My biggest issue with Kenneth Walker
is that I actually thought this is another one where
I wasn't one hundred percent right. I actually thought sharbon
Ay might struggle being the guy last year when it
happened and he did it, and it opened my eyes.
And now I go into this season nothing what Bob
said is wrong, especially about Kubiak pre snap motion is
gonna help. I'm thinking more to the Vikings, and I

(18:24):
think Sharbona fits a little bit better with Sam Darnold,
just in my opinion. And I again I was impressed
of what sharbon A did last year, where I don't
think we're getting away from the time share unlike we
used to, because Bob's right, when they were both healthy,
it was Walker. My fear is just that that's not
a thing anymore because of the injuries, because of how
good Sharmoney has proven to be. That we are looking

(18:46):
at kind of a Pittsburgh Steeler situation, and that's where
I'll bring Pachecko into the conversation. If Walker was going
right with Pachecko, I'll take Walker every single time. My
issue with Walker is the RB fifteen cost. If you
put a two in front of that cost all the
day alongside me up, it's the issue is that that's
the RB fifteen.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I think that's a fair assessment. I'll tell you what,
of all the four guys we talked about so far,
the most shares I'm going to have of any of
them is gonna be Chewa Hubbard just going right in
headfirst on that one. I think that's a good return
on investment. If he's RB eighteen currently right or somewhere
in that range. That works for me because I know
he's the guy. I know they're gonna run the football,
and he already showed me what he could do last

(19:24):
year and they paid him. Follow the money, always follow
the money. Let's follow this show along to some sophomore guys.
Every year we get very excited about rookies, but they
don't always necessarily pop off in year one. It's true
at the wide receiver position, but often true at the
running back position too. You gotta kind of garner the
favor of the coaching staff to a certain degree. Sophomore breakouts. Bob,
let's start with you somebody who is a year two

(19:46):
guy who we could see pop off in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
So I think, like all these guys, you have to
be counting on an injury, right, So like and I
like Jake's guy. We'll talk about him in a minute.
Probably would have been my first choice, but but I'm
gonna go with the guy who's in the right offense
if somebody gets hurt. I do not like to speak
these things into existence. And I apologize and advanced Christian
McCaffrey investors because I do think. I mean, look, Christian

(20:10):
mcaffrey's already back up in the first round. It's like,
just like keep nothing ever happened the neuralizers.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
That mind trick. I swear it really nobody. And you
know how much heat we took last year when I
kept saying, you know, he had four hundred and seventeen
touches last year, you know, it really makes me uneasy
about taking him as the first overall. And I got
dragged everywhere.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
I'll take get into the first round this year.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
And the first round I'll take him that that's where
he's going. That's tempting right now. But to Bob's point, Jake,
but you know, and I know, but if it's the
nineteenth of June as of recording this, when it's the
nineteenth of August, Christian McCaffrey is going to be a
top ten player because you know, people are just gonna
look at the upside as long as everything looks good
in the free season. If not higher, who knows.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
I've already seen people ranking him as their number one
running back already. I mean, like, just like the cuffs
are off, I don't all that far. I'm not point.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
I don't think you.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Can make the I don't think you can make the
argument over Barkley, be Jean and Gibbs, they just they
don't have the risk.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Well, historically speaking, you can make it over Barkley when
you look at the data of four hundred plus carries
in the season and then the next year, you can
absolutely make that one over Barkley. And and again, no
one's gonna want to hear that either, but it's all true. Dovetailed, well, well,
look from the guy who loves ducktails, we just you
don't want to call it a ducktail. We just ducktailed.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
That's why I didn't come on this program. For all
the Derrick Henry slander that I'm dealing with right now.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Well you know I will always be the defender of
Derreck Henry with you every single year, no matter what.
But let's talk more about Grendo, because this is a
player that I god put it away, Jake. This is definitely, though,
I think the guy that if you're looking to speculate
late on a huge upside, it's Gorendo.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I think there's two, like it's Grendo or Will Shipley,
And I think at least Grendo I've seen a little
taste of it, and uh, there's you know, like I
know there's no who's a James Jordan's there and AJ
Dillon's in Philadelphia though so who knows. I mean like
funny thing like I'm not standing for AJ Dillon anymore.
But Will Shipley seems a little less certain to me.
But those are the two guys.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I don't have the same feeling about Jalen Wright, although
I think he would get a pretty good workload in Miami.
If something were happened Blake Korum, maybe he would maybe
Hunter would chuck out his runner. So I think Isaac
Grenro is in a good spot because we seen him
in that spot, right, you know, when Jordan Mason was
hurt last year and the Grendo got his turn. And
if he can stay in the lock it up my position.

(22:22):
He has that kind of high end speed. He's really
good in the scheme as in terms of rushing, similar
you know, to what Jordan Mason did just as a runner,
except maybe a little bigger. So I'm on board with that.
But I hate being in a position to have to
to have to like pick a guy because somebody ahead
him is going to get hurt. But that's part of
this game, and when I'm out there drafting in best Balls,

(22:43):
that's one of the things I'm doing. I have a
lot of shares of Grendl. I have a lot of
shares of Shipley too. They're way cheaper. But like, if
there's a similar path to workload or some path to
workload in that Philadelphia offense, i'd like that, but it is.
But this is about a guy with a possible path
to workload in a potent offense, and for me, Grendo works.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I want to say, with my last or second last
pick last year, in Flex League in New York, Jake,
where we were drafting together. I took Mason and I
was like, I'm just taking them now because I'm just
gonna do it. And that's usually an early draft. Usually
it's early August we do that. And I was just waiting,
you know, and I'm just thinking, I'm just taking them
so I don't have to spend any fab on him
the first month of the season. A little did I
know it was the first week of the season.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Jake makes me stay at home and do the online.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Version of yeah again. Yeah, Well, there's an opening in
New York this year, Bob one, Bob, there's an opening
in New York. I think this year, I'd like to
see you there, all right, So Grendo's a guy I
think we can all agree on. Is a good speculative
ad for sure, and stash at the bottom of your
bench because again, you saw it last year in the
offense and it's a good offense for running backs in

(23:45):
terms of scoring. So Jake, give me a name sophomore
breakout potentially in year two you have your eye on. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
I even tried to be nice. I actually left Ray
Davis out there for Bob like they because I talked
about him on the other show too, and I was like,
that feels like the kind of the layup one.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
But I think Braylan Allen all of them like.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
All right, I know, but I'll go with Trey Benson.
Bob alluded to it earlier, and again we are looking
at injury. Well, who's somebody who has played a full
season two. James Connor actually got the closest he's gotten
yet last year, surprisingly, but Trey Benson also got hurt.
But the excitement that we had for Trey Benson last year, heck,
we can throw a lot of these names at the
excitement we had for Ray Davis, the excitement we had

(24:23):
for Jalen Wright.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
They're all walking.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Most of them are walking into situations now where they
are likely the number two's behind, situations that are either
appealing or with somebody who is a high injury risk.
And I think that if you look at Benson, he's
got both going for him. He's somebody that I thought
was a top five running back in last year's draft class.
I think if James Connor gets hurt, he has the
ability to not only step in, but step in as
that bell cow for the Cardinals, which seems to be

(24:47):
what they do most often, and I think that Connor
is a dicey pick every single year. The good thing
about it is that because of their costs, because Benson's
all the way down at forty six and Connor's not
going as what he just did again last year. When
he's on the field, fringe RB one numbers year in
and year out. It's the question of how long is
he gonna be on the field. You can actually get

(25:07):
Connor and Benson, like if you want to be a
team that does handcuff your own running backs. The cost
of those two together is not prohibitive at all. And
I think that's what really makes Benson appealing more so
because of the cost for cooking Davis. This one's more
appealing and costs less.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, Connor's coming off a career year RB nineteen currently
on Fantasy pros. Bob, what do you think of Benson?
I know, I'll remember last year Ladanian Tomlinson said that
was his favorite running back in the draft, and I
kind of perked my ears and stuck in my brain
for some reason because one of the great running backs
of all times says this is my favorite guy. I
want to say, Okay, well, I want to watch him
and make sure that I'm monitoring where he might end

(25:44):
up and how he's going to play in the NFL.
Last year was a disappointment, no doubt. Could we see
a different version of it this year.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, I'm a simple man. Go with the old cloaching cliche.
There are two things you can't coach, size his feed.
Trey Benson has both of those right. He's big, he's fast,
got a lot of power. He's in a good situation
in an offense that will lean on him if something happens.
So I think this is a this is a great
call thing. Like like, I think so many of these
year two running backs are, you know, prime for great
things if something goes wrong. James Connor predicting bad things

(26:13):
for James Connor not predicting them or or expecting them.
That's been the norm now every single year for everybody
since he showed up in Arizona. And he keeps proving
us wrong and as Jake said, puts up sterling numbers
while he's on the field. But you know, Father Time
is undefeated unless he's going up against DERRICKH. Henry.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
I don't know Bobby looked pretty good in terms of
the other time. I think you're fighting him pretty good.
Oh by the way, if you want all the Ray
Davis coverage, go back and watch it was the show
we did with Alfriedel. Right, yeah, yeah, So go back
and watch that on the YouTube channel. Nothing but Ray
Davis for forty five minutes pretty much before we get
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some of those sleepers we've got to and some rookies.
We know the big rookies, right, We know the Dash
and genty is gonna go in the first round, and

(27:54):
we know Dreveon Henderson and Caleb Johnson and Bob Blah
Bob Marian Hampton. Let's talk about some other guys. Jay,
Let's start with Jayden Blue RB fifty six. Who the
hell is the running back for the Dallas Cowboys this year?
That's a good question ask.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I think it's a big question. I think everybody's trying
to answer it. But I don't necessarily think that there
has to be only one. And if Jaden Blue is
the best option and the best value, I don't think
that means he's touching the ball two hundred and seventy times.
That's not who Jaden Blue is. Honestly, I think there
are legitimate concerns about him between the tackles and pass
protection because look at who Jayden Blue is, that you

(28:28):
don't expect him to hold up to that. But all
that being said is the comparison I made in pre
draft I think is what should intrigue people is remember
Tarik Cohen. How about Terik Cohen two years in a
row in fantasy and that's the ceiling top twenty ceiling.
Now is that a likelihood?

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Now?

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Teriy Cohen only did it for two years, and actually
that one season of being inside the top twenty. The
other year he was more of an RB three. But
all that being said is that's not something you count
on being a guarantee. That's not something you count on
being the next five years of his career.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
But in the right.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Situation, and when you look at this offense and you're
looking for a pass catcher in that backfield, I know
Javonte Williams is very good as a pass catcher as well,
but there's still questions on what's left in this body
because he hasn't shown to get back to one hundred percent.
I mean, you can make the argument he might not
even still be ninety percent pre injury at this point,
and then the rest of the ups forget the roster.
It's really Javonte Williams. Is he going to be a

(29:17):
thorn in the side of Blue? And even if he is,
Blue can still get to one hundred and eighty touches,
And I think one hundred and eighty touches is really
all I'm asking for for jay On Blue, and he'll
be an RB three, if not more and.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
A half in full point PPR. Turpan's probably the kick returner, right.
I know they've changed the kick return rules, so like
if he had that Turry cone kick return stuff in there,
and maybe he becomes even more intriguing, but I don't
know if he's gonna get that gig necessarily. Bob Jane
Blue is one on Jake's board to talk about. You're
going to talk about one of my favorites. A good thing.
Scott Bogmin's out here too, because the show will be

(29:49):
three hours if we kept talking about Cam's skataboo because
it's fun. I just see him being that lunch, pale,
blue collar, big blue guy that the crowd, you know,
that first poppy gives some line back and runs him down,
like the crowd's gonna lose their mind. And I just
think he's going to become a phenomenon and he's going
to just grow and grow. And I don't know how
long the focalore is going to last, but I kind

(30:11):
of want to be in for the ride at least
right now when it starts.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, we look, we all have seen Tyrone Tracy Junior,
and God bless him. He is what he is, right,
I think.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Did you just bless his heart? To Tyrone Tracy?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I bless his heart. Is hard to do a convergency
receiver who does not catch the ball. Well, we saw
why he was a converted receiver last year. Nothing else fuck,
you know, and Devin Singletary's there too. But but according
to Pro Football Focus, the Giants earned the fourth fewest
rushing yards from their running backs at thirteen hundred and
seven yards, the third fewest first downs at sixty four.
One of the problems has been the offensive line. Four

(30:44):
fists of the line had pff run block in grades
of sixty seven or lower last season. For the record,
that's not good. Also, Scatibo is the guy who is
used to running behind poor offensive line. Sorry, Sun Devils,
you guys sucked, so said said a Tucson native. The
Arizona fan comes out in me at some point. But

(31:06):
he's a great He was one of the best running
backs last year at non perfectly blocked runs and one
of the best converting first outs two weeks of the
Giants last year, and something that will help them out
greatly this year. So I'm not averse to taking a
chance on that young man.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Jake used to be a Giants fan. Got any thoughts
on Scataboo. I like him a lot.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I mean people are coming from me in the comments
already as thinking that he's going to leave this backfield.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I just think the.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Pass catching is under because everybody will do this beast
of a man.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
You watch UFC, he's the guy. If everybody's ever watched
UFC where they.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Get choked out and he immediately gets up a stress
just start tackling. That's Scataboo. On every play he just
doesn't stop. It's like, dude, it's over, the play is done.
He's like, no, I'm still gonna run through a brick wall,
like that's scataboo. But he can also catch the ball.
That's why he's so appealing.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
That's the underrated part too.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Athlete, and he's a great competitor. And I understand, like, okay,
you question a size question, all those things, but anybody
who watched that game against Texas in the in the
college football playoffs, I mean, how how many players from
Texas ended up on NFL rosters in this draft? Right?
I mean, he's competing into the best of the best
right there, and he is taking it to them, and
I just think that's what he's gonna do, and they

(32:11):
need that edge. This team has lacked toughness in the
last couple of years. For sure. He's an important piece
for this team if they're going to show any signs
of life and keep this regime of head coach and
general manager intact. Let's go to another guy actually with
stay in New York for another running back here, Jake.
The next guy on your list is Braylan Allen, who
is RB fifty two, and he showed you some moments

(32:32):
as well. The last coaching staff really loved him, but
it's a new coaching staff. The question is does Aaron
Glenn love him enough?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
I think there's going to be an open door here.
We've already seen the rumors. And this isn't even basing
off the fact that, oh, Briestyle is going to get traded.
How many times does this happen at this point of
the year, You know, maybe it does. Even if it
does it the reason I'm looking at Alan and that's
just coming from somebody that was a fan of his
last year, So let me make that clear. Like, actually
similar to Scatter, but I think some of his pass
catching ability is underrated, like because of perception of where

(33:00):
he came from in college and the offense that he
came from in college is like, oh, I can't pass
catch because nobody from that school cand never cast the ball.
But I look at Alan and I think he's got
the power. And that's where I go with this is
that if you look at Justin's Field's best seasons, doesn't
throw to his running back a lot. And the one
that was productive the most is some way that they
could turn to also the goal line, Like hey, Justin
Fields had them thinking they're going to turn it outside

(33:21):
and he just hands it out boom up the middle.
They don't have time to react. Well, that's Brylen Allen.
Now I'm saying that Breese Hall can't do it. I'm
just saying there's a world where you know, we're digging
down deep for potential surprises that even if Breese Hall
still holds his lead, but now it's all a sudden
in a forty five fifty percent lead, which has often
been the case in the Justin Fields offense. This is
a mix of running backs even back with the Bears.

(33:43):
Is I want the one that they're probably going to
turn to for those rushing touchdowns alongside fields? And I
just feel like Alan fits better with fields than Hall does,
just because part of Hall's game is how good he
is as a receiving running back and that's not how
Justin Fields does. I think that that that's why they're
thinking about trading is because Hall doesn't match well with fields.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, that's a really interesting take and a good observation.
I don't want to give you too many compliments, So Bob,
I want your take on Braylen Allen.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I'm like, I think the Hall mystery is the is
the issue for me right there. I think Jake made
a pretty convincing case by the way, I want to
go back to his jade and blue pick because that
gives me a chance to use my a little like
I've used the silence of the lamp theory. I want
to go with my Sesame Street theory. One of these
things is not like the other. And Jane Blue finishing that.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Wide range Bob today on the show of just to say.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Jane Blue, you know the smaller shift, You're faster. I mean,
you know, Javonte william is not known for his feed.
Miles Sanders not either. So I like the blue and
I like, you know, Raymond Allen. I don't you know,
like I'm not sold on this one. I'll admit I
still think Hall has another year. But but I'll give
Jake his credit is due. I like his theory.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I like Allen and Dynasty. Right now, he's the Dynasty
guy that I want to buy in that backfield. I
feel like maybe next year you might see that change over.
But we'll see how it goes. Let's go to one
more running back for Bob on his list of rookies,
slash Sleepers and basehell. Tuton at forty nine certainly rung
the bell at the combine He's got some guys in

(35:12):
front of him in this backfield, but ATM is certainly
coming off a disappointing season for all of us that
had shares, and this could be his final song there.
It's really tough too, because his trade value is kind
of just nil at this point, right, Like give it
to the Jaguars man. They find a way to take
a bad situation and always somehow make it worse and

(35:34):
more untenable, and they can't get out of it. Like
they always just find a way. They have a knack
for it. So what's the path year for Tuton in
twenty twenty five?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
The path for Tuton is his big playability. This seems
to be what the Jaguars under Leade Cohen and James
Gladstone are looking for. You look at the receiving corps.
You know whether it's Brian Thomas eighteen catches at twenty
of your yards or more, seven catches to forty or
more yards, Travis Hunter, huge big play threat, Bachel Tuton
five runs of forty more or more yards of Virginia
Tech last year, fourteen runs with twenty five or more

(36:03):
yards in his two seasons there. I think that's what
they're looking for. They're looking for that big playability. They
want to be an explosive unit. Again, the metrics at
the combine very appealing to me. Bob Harris that three
after the four and two after that. I mean, like
pretty remarkable pastes running back at the combine. Not a
small guy either, has some bulk to him, so I
think he can carry the full workload. But you know,

(36:25):
like he's in that same range of players, Like there's
a mix of players. It's Travis Etn, it's Javonte Williams,
it's Jayden Blue and base sel Touton are all kind
of in that same range. And I probably have shares
of all of them on the hope that one of
them hits. But if I miss on some that I prefer,
I'm perfectly happy taking the others. I think Towton falls
in that line. But I do think there's a potential
path for a workload in that big playability and just

(36:48):
the kind of lackluster what we see like like Etan
was running back thirty eight last year and Bigsby was
thirty nine. I mean they were pretty mundane. So I
think that's the that's the thing working the most in
Tooton's right.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Jake, what's your take on the Jacksonville backfield.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Mine is I think Bigsby is the one we don't
need to worry about, which probably means he'll just be
the best and then we'll go like chasing one waiver wires.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
I really think it does come.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Down to Etn and toot and I've been one that's
been more so on Etn. Not that I don't like
toot and I just think that the fantasy community has
been since the draft like his value just like skyrocketed
and people are just like, oh my gosh. And it's
the opportunity of being with Cohen and being the lead
that's in play, and at forty nine, I'm fine with it.
It was the immediate reaction after the draft that I

(37:34):
was kind of pushing back on because nothing Bob said
is wrong here. My concern is that now I'm not
saying he's jade on blue because you just said he's not.
He's actually got some both to him. But what if
he's only used in that facet? The ball security issues
are real. You think a first time head coach is
going to want to put his neck on the line
for say, granted he drafted him. But if he's putting

(37:54):
the ball on the ground, putting the ball on the
chyroon Tracy, he's going to get frustrated. So I think
there's a path to Etn being the lead. I also
think there's a path that Toot and being the lead.
But what Bob kind of said there too, and kind
of like I'm kind of pulling out. What he said
is like both of them, at their cost are worth
gambling on because in that case, you're at least getting
the one that likely hits because they're both like they're
both cheap right now.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, And look, this is an important show for everybody
out there, like me who is a heavy wide receiver
drafter early because these are the names you're gonna have
to find to make up ground at the running back position.
The Chuba Hubbards, the Ray Davis is, even though we
didn't get into him in this show, but guys like
Trey Benson, guys like Skataboo, Like, you've got to take
shots and you've got to buy in bulk if you're

(38:36):
going to be a heavy wide receiver drafter, or if
you're going to take a Rock Bowers, you know, with
your second pick or something like that. You want to
go that route and tight end. You have to make
up running back because you know the elite guys are
going to be off the board by the time it
comes back around to you. So this is a very
important exercise, and it's so important that I want to
go even deeper. Gentlemen, I want to go with a
bold call, something kind of out of the blue. Let's

(38:58):
try to, uh if we can find a guy that
might be a super sleeper potentially in twenty twenty five.
Let's start with you, Bob Harris, because when this guy
recently signed, I have to say I had a little
bit of a chill go down my spine. All the RJ.
Harvey love that Derek Brown was just feeding me and
feeding me. Now all of a sudden, I have pause

(39:19):
with JK. Dobbins.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
JK. Dobbins can play right. We saw it last year.
We all know what the drawbacks are for JK. Dobbins.
He must stay on the field. But I think we've
seen that Sean Payton offenses where two running backs can
be successful. The one A, one B model is fully
in play. I don't know that R. J. Harvey is,
you know, necessarily the kind of receiving asset. We've seen
him using the past as a one B. But I
do think my colleague Cecilamia Football Guys, who also covers

(39:44):
the Broncos on a daily basis, his take was from
the first minute, it's pretty well connected. Is that Dobbins
is there to be the one A and that Harvey
will be the one be based on that loan and
the price. I think you put those two things together
and you're saying, wow, I think I'll try that please.
And I've been fortunate in a number of my ongoing
best Ball drafts to get that fortuitous draft timing or

(40:06):
something happens and you can make that pick. I'll have
a number of shares of him at the right price.
The price is going to rise, people, So if you
do want to get in on the cheap end, you
better be drafted now because I think by the time
we get into August and people start realizing what the
roles are going to be, assuming they work out, like
Lamby says, I think there'll be a lot of people
in on JK.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Dobbins, Jake the Denver Broncos backfield right now. Is I
know Bob has said, well, we've seen trumpage in the
past to make these you know, both running backs fantasy relevant.
That was in New Orleans. It was with Alvin Kamara
and Ingram. It was kind of a different situation here.
I don't think this is quite that level of talent
endor scenario here. So to me, this went from a

(40:46):
backfield that I was really curious him with Harvey kind
of looking like the guy, to now that Dobbins is
in there, to me going well, maybe I could just
take a flyer on Dobbins late and see what he does,
and if it doesn't work out, I could even cut him.
But all of a sudden, my excitement level is kind
of dimmed a little bit. Yeah, waning, whatever you want
to say, where's your excitement level here with this Denver
Bronco situation. Now that Dobbins is in the mix, it's flat.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
And I'm happy about it because you know this we
just talked a few weeks ago. I was I was
the one everybody hated because I was like chill out
on r J. Harvey like chill out, And it just
came down to it was kind of similar to the
Tootan but a completely different aspect is I love Harvey
with Sean Payton. I think Sean Payton is building his
New Saints, but it's New Saints. He's not Alvin Kamara.

(41:29):
Is he ninety percent Alvin Kamara?

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Probably, But that also means he's not going to be
as productive as Alvin Kamara, probably not trusted as much.
And you saw this with the signing. So before the signing,
I was like, yeah, I want R J. Harvey, just
not where he's going. I'm not drafting him as the
second rookie running back off the board. I'm not drafting
him as an RB two. Does he have that upside?

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Sure? Does he still have that upside?

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, but it's looking a little bit more dicey now
as everything Bob just said, and again see Silami up
and following him for years, very tied into this team.
I think if even it's a fifty to fifty split,
you wouldn't be shocked to say that Harvey is even
more productive on a per touch basis at this point
of Dobbin's career. But that fifty to fifty split with
still Courtland Sutton down the list of the joker role

(42:12):
for Evan Ingram and everything like this, It's like, how
many touches. Is the fifty to fifty split going to equal.
It's not gonna be the two hundred and fifty people
were thinking Harvey might get. So that's why I'm actually
glad this is pulling him down because now I'll be
willing to dive into Harvey. But I'm also it's funny
how many of these running backs I'm willing to invest in,
both at least as of right now, given Dobbins price,
I'm definitely investing in Dobbins, right.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
I mean, I'm I'm not going to pretend to Alva Kamara,
but but like Late Saints' career marking group, I mean, like,
you know, like the role. I mean, I'm more interesting
in the role than the talent. But also last year
and it's a pretty good offensive line in Los Angeles,
or a serviceable offensive line, And we saw Dobbins have
some big games where he tore off some big runs.
So I think if the opportunities come, he still can

(42:53):
be an explosive threat. I don't think the injuries have
drained him completely of that. So I think that, but
I think you guys are both right. I mean, it's
just right now, it's all about the price. That price rises,
I'll be looking for other pieces, maybe the one Jakes
couldn't talk about.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, and look, Dobbins will be another year removed from
knee surgery right too. So that's another thing too. Like
the further you get away, all the doctors will tell
you that the stronger typically the guy is. But I
got to say, in those half point PPR leagues where
I'm chasing touchdowns, I want Dobbins like, that's that's where
I want. And the standard leagues obviously as well. Jake,
give us your bold call, guy, who is it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
I look, since twenty twenty one, I'm talking about running
backs that don't play the full season. Jonathan Taylor has
not played a full season since twenty twenty one. It's
actually getting concerning at this point, so much to the
fact that every single year people are like, I care
about Marlon Mack, I care about Zach Moss and Deon
Jackson and all these other Jabbroni's behind him. They actually
have a serious threat that I think that as much

(43:46):
as somebody that was a Khalil Herbert fan for the
potential that he might bring with the Bears and never
really produced it, I don't know that Khalil Herbert is
definitively the number two behind Jonathan Taylor, and I think
it might be DJ Giddens because and this is coming
from my COMPAREI for DJ Giddens, I think he's got
some David Montgomery to his game. And if you're talking
about somebody who could step in similarly, and no, I'm
not calling him Jonathan Taylor, and I'm not even calling

(44:08):
Gidden's David Montgomery as of today, but we've seen Khalil Herbert.
If you told me David Montgomery was the backup for
Jonathan Taylor, we would be going. This would be like
draft Gangel Williams in the sixth round behind Le'Veon Bell
because we know it's gonna be RB one production if
anything were to happen, and I think at this point
it's almost it would be a shock if Jonathan Taylor

(44:29):
played sixteen games at this point, especially the workload they
continue to give him when he is out there, because
they give him twenty five touches a game. And I
don't care whether it's Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson, He's
going to be a risk. So if I'm looking for
super deep sleeper Bowl call. I'm gonna say Giddens wins
the number two role and that the games he's playing
is going to be putting up RB two numbers.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Harry having everybody. Those are some names of the running
back position that could break out from all the different categories.
We got rookies, we got sleepers, we got bold late
prediction takes, and even some guys and RB two range.
It could end up in RB one's but we love
to hear from you. Drop your comments below. Tell us
your favorite running back is going to break out in
twenty twenty five. Who is it? Drop your comments below,

(45:09):
which you all kinds of free prizes around here nowadays.
Great to have Bob Harris here as always. Jake seely
what's cooking at the Athletic for you this week?

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Oh my customers, Well, pronections just came out. So if
everything you just heard, you're like, Jake's the dumbest person
in the world. I'm gonna change all his projections. You
can go download them and then see how the ranks change.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Well That's where I'm going right after this, because I
do believe the first part of that story. Bob Harris,
get back to work. It's June no more of this
hiatus stuff. We need you, We need Mike Dempse on
air every single day, and luckily we're gonna have that
seven days a week on the NFL Radio on Sirius XM,
and also on the Fantasy Channel as well. Great to
catch up with you. That'll do it for us, But
the story of the game goes on for Jake and Bob.

(45:49):
I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time. Kids.

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