Late-Round Draft Steals | Target THESE Sleepers (Ep. 1613) - FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, friends, and welcome into Fantasy Pros the Fantasy
Football Podcast. I'm Chris Welsh, and today we're talking about
late round draft steals or also known sleepers. Which sleepers
do you want to target? Well, we don't have you
on the show. We've got two amazing people on the
show which we're gonna get their sleepers, but you guys
can obviously comment on it. We have got my brother

(00:23):
from another mother, Scott Bogman on the show for his sleepers,
and my newest brother, bald headed beautiful. I'm just around
so many just wonderful bald headed, great beard guys. John Dagele,
not Dagele which I like. Not Jay Dagel, I got
the is it the Welsh? We got the nice handles
from established the run John, how are.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
You doing well?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
And the frequent listeners of the Fantasy Pros pod are
probably familiar with me overlapping with Deepro Andrew Erickson, piece
of pa. The list goes on, but I have not
yet to record with either of you. So very excited
for today's show.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's gonna be pretty great, bogs. We got the beautiful
flow going. We are representing a little bit of hair.
Are you ready for some sleeper talk, because that always
creates this really goofy odd question that didn't exist ten
years ago, by the way, because we could easily just
be like, hey, these are sleepers. But nowadays the term
sleeper has really kind of evolved, and unfortunately it comes

(01:20):
with an eye roll because what is it? What is
a sleeper anymore? Because there's a million of us writing
articles every player gets covered. But in just a you know,
like quick little sample size piece like how are you
defining sleepers Nowaday, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
I think sleepers And you know, I had Jake Seely,
who has been on here as well. By the way,
I can't believe they let il do the whole flagship
by ourselves here look at us. But the definition of
a sleeper that Jake said, you know, it was like archaic.
Everyone knows sleeper was a term that you used when
everybody showed up at the bar to draft and they

(01:56):
grabbed a magazine off the shelf and they went to
the back of the book and there was a list
of sleepers. Like that is what sleepers was way back
in the day for the people that didn't prepare properly.
Right now, we're looking more at value the word sleepers
is a good term. People like to click on it,
hear what your opinions are, that kind of stuff, But
it's really about value. Who are the valuable guys that

(02:17):
you can take late that may be in a position
to gain you way more than their draft costs.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
That's what we're looking for.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
So John, one of the ways we're also titling this
when we're looking at this is late round draft steals.
Do you think late round draft steals is the definition
or a primary definition of a sleeper or do you
think sleeper is much more wide ranging in how you
can approach it.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
There are certainly ADP values and players just naturally dropping
in every single draft, But really I consider sleepers nowadays,
especially in home leagues, to simply be players that no
one has seen play yet, so it takes a little
bit of guesswork. But rookies are the players that typically
just fall through the cracks. We're going to talk about
quite a few today, but that's really because everyone in

(03:04):
home leagues particularly gravitates to what they've seen. Even if
what they've seen is not good, it's at least better
than what they haven't seen, and so that's why we
can usually stash rookies in typical fifteen round drafts and
then just have them on the back of our benches.
I think that's really the way to attack quote unquote
sleepers nowadays.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, I think it's an interesting term. I actually think
in finishing this sleeper is almost kind of evolved into
maybe a couple things because I think your definition John,
of players that we haven't seen, we don't really know
anything about. I think that makes a lot of sense.
But I also think there's this element, and maybe there's
a numerical factor to it, where a sleeper can still
be a guy that is relatively mid round drafted, but

(03:44):
it is that the equity of what their return can
be is so much higher than where they're going that
we are sleeping on this player. But again, there's a
lot of different ways to look at it. Whether you
call these sleepers, whether you call these late round draft steals,
these are players who could potentially win your leagues at
lower cost than what they are going to return. You
might not need to spin big. You just got a

(04:06):
draft smart. So that is what we have got covered
for you today with John and Bogman. So let's just
jump right into this bad boy we're going to be
doing some positional wide receiver, running back, quarterback, tight end,
and then we are going to have some late targets
as well as like a super flex quarterback that both
of these guys are going to jump into. So let's
start with wide receiver. These are outside relatively outside the

(04:29):
top one hundred overall ECR ranks. So if you guys
want to check out our expert consensus ranks, go to
fantasypros dot com slash rankings. You can check out what
the ECR with the grouping of everybody is, or you
can individually look. I think a really cool tool is
you can click on a player and you can see
all the wide range ranks. Who has them at the top,
who has them at the bottom, what is that medium?

(04:51):
You can go through and look. But what we are
doing is we are going to be identifying these as
like outside the top one hundred relatively overall of the
overall rank and half PPR. So John, we are going
to start with you your number one late round draft steel.
Your target is who.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
I am beginning with Josh Downs, who has now been
in the league for two years and his rookie year
was outperformed quite significantly actually by Michael Pittman. That's because
Josh Downs, I feel like, was just gaining his footing
as a primary slot receiver. But then you go back
to last year and he was the outright better player
than Pittman and his second season of development, which makes

(05:30):
a lot of sense. Whenever Michael Pittman and Josh Downs
shared the field with each other last year for two
hundred and fifty three routes, it was actually Downs who
led the team and target share at thirty two percent.
And so now we're talking about a completely different quarterback
who you can say what you want about Wondel Robinson.
Maybe he's the type of player who's always just naturally
going to be a gadget guy and get peppered near

(05:52):
the line of scrimmage. But the fact is Daniel Jones
still fed him heavily the last couple of seasons from
the slot where Josh Downs plays, And so I do
like Downs to be the more successful wide out for Indianapolis,
regardless of who's under center, but perhaps getting a slight
bump even more so with Daniel Jones.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, and I believe he of all the Cults wide receivers,
I mean one of the problems could just at the
end of the day be there's just a lot of guys.
It's very packers, Like you know, there's like four different targets,
and you also got to tiight end in there, and
you got a very heavily involved running back where you
kind of maybe you can start to put in questions.
But like Josh Downs, I believe led all of those
wide receivers and yards per route run at like a

(06:31):
relatively elite level as well, and you know, running him
out of the slot just a great primary target that
I think Daniel Jones is probably going to look out
a little bit more. And if Richardson obviously gets healthy
and you know, we start to get some of those
like early checkdown stuff like Downs. Downs has a really
high potential to be like this year's JSN. But any
things you want to throw in their bogs on Josh Downs.

(06:51):
So you think he's a really great late round draft steal.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Of course, yeah, I love Josh Downs, So think he
is a great talent. But the problem with the Colts
offense is who is throwing the ball. If it is
Daniel Jones. I love this comparison to Wandell Robinson Anthony Richardson.
I think it's great to kind of do what Tua
did last year, right, those short dump off throws, get
the ball out quick, build the confidence you're gonna work

(07:15):
from the inside out with a player that is having
issues with accuracy. So I do think that no matter
who is behind center for Indianapolis, that Josh Towns will
lead to targets.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, and I think the floor of him going late
is what is so enticing as well, because like, yes,
if Anthony Richardson is throwing nineteen times per game, like
we're in trouble here. But there's a lot of potential
growth spots in who is the quarterback and how he
can thrive. So I think it's like there's a great
floor with a high ceiling. Sticking with wide receivers, bagman,

(07:47):
your first sleeper late round draft target at wide receiver
makes me very happy. So let us know.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Let's talk about your boy Ricky piersall right, currently ECR
wide receiver forty five. I have him closer to thirty seven,
so more of a value on him. But let's just
look at these games that he started, right, he started
one game against Dallas, he had four targets, four catches
for thirty eight yards and a big rush for thirty
nine yards. So the nice game there and only five touches.
Then against Tampa Bay as a starter, four for seventy

(08:16):
three and a score on six targets. Against Detroit this
was this huge game where he had eight catches for
one hundred and forty one yards in a score, a
couple of rushes in there, ten targets, and against the
Cardinals six for sixty nine and one. We have Ayuk
coming off a major injury, same deal for Christian McCaffrey. Yes,
these guys are going to absorb a lot of the

(08:37):
targets that were missing last season. But I think Ricky
Piersow has huge potential in this offense. Is Brandon Ayuk
the same? Can CMC lasts a long time this season?
I'm not sure about that at all. I think Ricky
Piersow right now is better than Juwan Jennings, and I
really like Juwan Jennings. I think this offense is kind

(08:58):
of like the Colts, but with a good quarterback. Right
we know Kittle's going to get his catches, we know
CMC is good, the offensive line is better. Like this
is a complete offense and you drop a guy like
Ricky Piarsol with his skill set in it, a guy
like rock Party and all the weapons surrounding him, He's
going to be in for some enormous games. He may
not perform week to week, but I know those big

(09:18):
boom weeks are going to come for Ricky Piersol.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I'm a big Juwan Jennings guy. I think Jawan Jennings
is going to surprise. I think he can be the
number one and will be the number one in this
offense this year. But what is so interesting about Ricky
Piersol is he's in this large ACR grouping of wide
receivers where there are these higher upside plays paired with
these like floor guys, and based on where you can
be in your draft, it's pretty beneficial to take a

(09:42):
shot on a guy that's got this huge shieling because
Ricky Piersol is probably undoubtedly in the receiving game, maybe
the biggest play option with the San Francisco forty nine
or so. If things work out, you know, he can
be a four catch, a guy that still puts up
you know, top two wide receiver returns on a weekly basis. John,
what do you think about Juwan j versus Ricky pier Saw.
Ricky piar Saw's value Brandon Ayuk is thrown in there.

(10:03):
Do you think he's a good late round steal that
people should be targeting.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
I think everyone should be drafting all the forty nine ers.
And to give everyone to peek behind the scenes, I
actually went into our notes to write down my players
I wanted to discuss on today's show, and I saw
that Boggs already wrote down Ricky Piersaw, so he beat
me to it. Every year we come into fantasy football

(10:26):
and I'm the season long home league specialist at ETR,
so I've already been looking at tears and ADP in
drafts for the past couple of months now. And you
can always tell that ADP is based on last year's results.
And remember we don't get last year's points unless you're
in a last year league. And if you are, please
invite me.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I would love to be in that league. And so everyone's.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Already down on the forty nine ers and their ADPs
are dipped across the board when it's as simple as
explaining to everyone that the iteration they'll have on the
field this year. Brock Purty George Kittle, Juan Jennings, Ricky Piersaw.
They only played ten percent of San Francisco's plays last
year together. They just weren't all available at the same time,
and with Deebo Samuel off the field, we saw Juwan

(11:09):
Jennings soak up a ridiculous forty one percent target share
in those last two games that Boggs mentioned that both
Brandon and a Yuk and Diebo did not play. Ricky
Pearsall registered eight catches for one hundred and forty yards
in a touchdown and those six catches pacific nine yards
in a touchdown. And we believe that when Pearsall was
drafted in the first round as a explosive yards after

(11:31):
the catch guy, that he was the player.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Who could do what Deebo Samuel does.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Deebo's a one to one, but Pearsall comes closest for
this team, and so we're talking about touches that will
also be happening behind the line of scrimmage as running
backs at time. So between Christian McCaffrey inevitably following to
one to twelve and everyone's home league George Kittle going
two rounds later than brock Bowers despite finishing as the
overall tight in one points per game last year, and

(11:58):
Juwan Jennings and Ricky piarsaw the moral of the stories
that everyone should just get higher on every forty nine er.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
And I love the point that you made there about
him getting these rush attempts because he started four games,
he had three rush attempts there, and those are not
designed for him. They're gonna be designed for him this season.
So yeah, just get the ball in this guy's hands.
He's excellent.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I knew I like John. I like John Lott. All right,
let's go to our second of the wide receiver link
target sleepers that we're looking at. And I don't know,
you tell me John a little bit of a cheat here.
We got a couple names in here, but I'm down
with it. I'm gonna roll with it. Who do you
have as your second, maybe even possibly third of these
late round wide receivers.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
I wanted to highlight two players because I think they'll
be going later than the top one hundred, one fifty
one seventy five of home leagues. I think you're probably
going to get them in the last couple of rounds.
But just in case, just in case, everyone is now
viewing these two individuals as their sleepers, I do want
to be ahead of one Trey Harris, who I'm just

(13:00):
going to read quickly. Trey Harris his game logs in
his final year last season in college before he got injured,
because he had eight catches for one hundred and seventy
nine yards and two touchdowns, nine for one point thirty,
ten catches for ninety four yards, eleven for two twenty
five and two touchdowns, eleven for one seventy six in
a touchdown, three for eighty one, seven for one hundred

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and a touchdown, and then his final game before he
was injured, one catch for forty three yards and a touchdown.
All he did was scorched the earth when he played.
Not only that, but last year he led this class
and yards per out run against man coverage by so much,
which may not mean much to a lot of people,
but to me, I look at it and say that
means when left to himself, he can get open, regardless

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of he schemed one on one or not. So I
love Trey Harris to emerge as the second receiver ahead
of Quinton Johnson in the second half of the season
for the Chargers and then my next guy is the
Patriots Kyle Williams, who got the draft capital at a
nice number sixty nine overall selection. But more importantly, whereas
de Mario Douglas and Stefan Diggs led their teams in

(14:09):
slot rate when they were available last year, digs with
the Texans. Of course, Kyle Williams replays is from out
wide a career eighty one percent of his routes from
the boundary in college, also earning breaking out early with
a twenty two percent target share at only nineteen years old.
So I believe that he's a player that can also
fit seamlessly around Douglas and Steffon Diggs with Drake May

(14:32):
who will probably talk about in a bit. But is
the Jade and Daniels obvious breakout of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
I really, I really really love the Trey Harris one here,
bog you kind of jumped in there. Do you want
to throw? If you had to pick one that you're gonna,
you know, put a stamp on Trey Harris or Kyle Williams,
which one would you go?

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Of? John Specks that to me, okay, I'll say this PPR,
I'm going Kyle Williams half point, give me true.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
I like to call a lot yeah, because I think
Kyle Williams has a chance to lead the Patriots, specially
if Diggs is heard or asked star on the pup
or however long it's going to be for Diggs, if
there is an issue to start the season for him.
I think Kyle Williams is a chance to lead this
team in targets. Now, we thought that about Jallim Polk
last year. It just didn't work out right. Javon Baker,
like those rookies just did not pan out for them.

(15:19):
So yes, we could be going in again with something
like that with Kyle Williams. But I think Kyle Williams
is I think he should be playing the slot, but
he's good enough to play outside.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
I think he can do both.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
But I just love the pairing of a guy like
Trey Harris, who put up all those numbers as a
downfield threat, with a guy that Jackson Dart, a lot
of people considered not a good downfield thrower of the football,
and Justin Herbert is one of the best in the league.
That is such a good pairing. I'm just so excited
to watch it happen.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
All right, Bobs, you are kind of staying in the
same vein. You have got a rookie wide receiver for
your final and second of the targeted sleepers or late
round drafts at wide receiver. So let's hear it.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
We're gonna keep on brand here, right.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Let's go with Matthew Golden, my wide receiver out of
Texas here, and look the Packers' situation. It's just Watson
is out for the season with a knee injury. Jaden
Reid had under sixty percent snapshare in six of the
final nine games. I don't know why they don't like
him more or kept taking him off the field. Romeo

(16:24):
Dobbs is concussion prone and was kind of a cry baby.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
This is always going.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
To be a you know, run the ball first team here.
But spending a first round pick tells me they desperately
want to help Jordan Love by surrounding him with elite
level talent. It's a complete you know, the first round
pick stuff in draft capital. That is a complete crutch argument,
and I understand it. But this is our first first
round wide receiver since two thousand and two and Javon Walker,
and we saw Matthew Golden come in from Houston, and

(16:50):
this is the whole thing that Pat talks about in
Dynasty why he doesn't like Matthew Golden is because he
wasn't that good at Houston. He transfers to Texas and
but to me, it's like, Okay, well, he transfers to
Texas to maybe make the team and ends up leading
the team in targets by twenty four targets over any
other wide receiver at the University of Texas, ten more

(17:10):
than Gunner Helm, who was also drafted and had the
huge production in the biggest moments of Texas season, in
the playoff in particular. So I think Matthew Golden is
ready to rock wide receiver. He's good to go, and
he's still growing. There's meat on the bone for him
to learn a little bit as he goes as well.
So I'm just super excited for him. And currently his

(17:32):
ecr's post one hundred. I think ADP is bumping right
up against one hundred. But he's a guy that you
should have on your radar no matter what. He's going
as a wide receiver five right now.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
What I think is really interesting about him is the
Packers implement so much of that like wide receiver rotational
stuff where it's like, all right, you know, here's five
plays where it's just these two guys, and then bam,
now here's these two guys. So it's like you can
have your your set run of plays. But he's in
an interesting grouping of like a mecha Guka Luther Burden.
I mean, we talked about Harris like he's going above

(18:01):
all of those guys in what is a little bit
of a I still would view it maybe as a
messy situation. But John, what do you think, like Golden
over that crew of players, are you a by on that.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I'm going to be taking multiple shots and home leagues
on all of the Packers wide receivers, just because it's
an ambiguous situation and we don't know, and it's one
we probably want to get right considering they average six
more pass attens per game and he starts that Jordan
Love was under center. I think it does bode well
for Golden that his route tree best fits filling in

(18:35):
for Christian Watson, who at this point we can probably
chalk up to miss the entire season. But again, it's
completely ambiguous, so I'll be drafting a lot of these guys.

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Speaker 1 (20:16):
Slash promos running Backs Late round Draft steel running Backs.
I see some popular names in here. I see some
bigger ones. This is going to be a good conversation. John.
Why don't we have you kick it off here? Your
running back, I think is probably near the tippy top
of the sleeper ranks. We do cool thing on Fantasy Pros.
When you're in the Draft Wizard, you're getting in in
your drafts and stuff. At the end you get a

(20:37):
report card. We also have that listed, but it'll say, hey,
dotta dot this player ranks as you know whatever as
a sleeper. Well, your running back is a very popular
name and for all the right reasons I believe as well,
so John your running back sleepers.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Who my favorite running back sleeper and home leagues this
year is definitely Jordan Mason. Let's start with what the
vik did to acquire him, because they quietly only had
six picks in this past year's draft, and even so
still sent a fourth rounder to acquire Mason and then
gave him seven million guaranteed on a new two year

(21:14):
deal the moment he landed in Minnesota. Not to mention
what our friend Warren Sharp has mentioned that Aaron Jones
was the league's worst running back at the gold line
last year. Inside the five, Aaron Jones had thirteen carries
for negative two yards in a fumble, So you don't
have to squint to see Jordan Mason short yardage role
already capping Aaron jones ceiling. But more importantly, not only

(21:37):
can he lead this team in rushing touchdowns because of that,
but Aaron Jones from the outside end is facing similar
to what Raheem Moster faced in twenty twenty three as
an outlier season that we should probably be behind on
and instead fading Jones, because Jones is coming off a
career high three hundred and six touches, the first time

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he's had three hundred touches and his entire career, and
even so a career low and yards per touch. It
was an outlier performance for Jones last year, and now
they've added significant competition. So Mason's floor, in my opinion,
is the short yardage touchdown back and mixing in with Jones.
His ceiling, however, is just overthrowing Aaron Jones altogether. And

(22:19):
so I'm definitely going to have Jordan Mason in every
single home league this year.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, I mean obviously with the forty nine ers, but
you know we saw him in all games of twenty
or more carries the average over one hundred yards, over
five yards per carry. Very efficient running back. And you know,
you make an interesting point when you talk about it's
the old like i'll pay you tomorrow for a burger today.
You don't want to pay too heavy for last year's
stats into this year, and you want to try to
get in front of it. And these are the type

(22:45):
of players that it's the right. It's also like it's
a poker equation there's a percentage. It's just the right
reason to maybe get get your chips in here box.
What do you think about Jordan Mason as a heavy
late round target.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
I think it's such a good call because we know
that the Kevin O'Connell offense is going to be past heavy,
and it still was last season, but they ran more
than ever because they had a first time starter in
this offense in Sam Darnold and he was still QB nine, right,
So there's still enough production to go around with all
of the wide receivers and t J. Hawkinson and everybody.

(23:19):
Even though they're going to run the ball more because
it's going to be McCarthy's first year starting right then,
I think what gives him the confidence run the ball
more is Aaron Jones coming off a career high in
touches last season.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
But I'm with John.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
I've been saying this on the Dynasty Pod specifically about
Aaron Jones. Dynasty value is because I have him like
in the forties on my Dynasty rankings. I think he's
got one year left. He was bad, career high touches,
He's been injury prone in his career, and they just
traded for Jordan Mason and paid him a bunch of money.
I think that Jordan Mason is the way to go here,
or next year they're going to spend a high draft

(23:53):
pick on a running back to just sweep this out
and fix the problem.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
So, and if you want Aaron Jones to potentially work,
it's maybe just give him a short amount of usage
so he can be efficient in that instead of volume.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
Touches back to keep him healthy and more efficient.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, so fifteen plus touches for Jordan Mason is going
to put you probably in a pretty good spot where
even the spot that he's being drafted is just an
absolute floor. You guys are just completely placating to me
here because you're sticking with forty nine ers or at
least even former ones. And this is the guy why
the forty nine ers were comfortable trading Jordan Mason, Bogs.

(24:28):
You're going with Isaac Garrindo as your sleeper running back.
And I can let me take a guess, Christian McCaffrey
won't be healthy. Is that our cell?

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Okay, Well, I'll say one of two things is going
to be true for the Niners. Either they're gonna give
Christian McCaffrey way too many carries again and not take
him off the field and gets hurt again. Remember this
is bilateral Achilles ten to night. This is not going away,
or they are going to have to ratchet back his
touches for real and not just give us lip service

(25:01):
this year. And if that's the case, an Isaac Grendo
has a week to week basis. But either way, it's
either going to be Isaac Grendo as a handcuff if
you're drafting Christian McCaffrey, or Isaac Grenda is in here
getting a decent amount of touches because we want to
keep Christian McCaffrey healthy. We know that he's going to
get injured if we give him too many touches. It

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just has happened too often. So I think that regardless
of the situation or how we get there, that the
Grindo is going to see significant touches for the Niners
this year. I think, selfishly, I would rather draft Christian
mccaffree and have him get all the carries, and then
if he gets banged up, then I can throw Grendo
in there and he gets all the touches or most

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of them. I know Jordan James is a nice draft
pick out of organ too, And you know Grendo isn't
completely and holy out of his shadow either. I think
Jordan James versus Grindo is much closer than anybody against
Christian McCaffrey. But I think the Niners know this season
we have to ratchet back touches for Christian McCaffrey if
we want him to be healthy, specifically for the playoffs.

(26:06):
So many injuries last year. The Niners should be on
a good run this year. They should be pushing for
a playoff spot. Keep McCaffrey healthy, Give Grenda the ball.
I think it makes sense one way or the other
that Gorendo is going to end up with about one
hundred carries and however many catches.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
I think it's the number one handcuff. He's a number
one handcuff out there. You can take Christian McCaffrey. You
can't what I'm about to tell you. You can't take
for surface value because there isn't a McCaffrey necessarily in here.
But Isaac Grendo had ten plus touches in five games
last year, and in four of those games and half
PPR he was a top twenty four running back ten

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touches and he can catch out of the backfield. We
know he can, you know, big burst kind of like
a remake of what they used like Raheem Mostert. But
I think the best value is in that you're handcuffing McCaffrey.
But there's even some potential even in short usage, if
they were to ratchet back a little bit and give
him some target, it could be efficient. What do you think, John,
do you think he's an ultimate targeted steal? Do you

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think he's the ultimate handcuff? What do you think about
this pick?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I've heard both arguments.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
I'm in the camp that Kyle Shanahan does not care
about keeping his players healthy. He's going to run them
into the ground, as he's historically shown us. I get
both sides. But even in the two games Christian McCaffrey,
who again came back injured and played with brock Perty
last year, he out touched Jordan Mason forty two to three.
Cal Shanahan just genuinely did not just did not care.

(27:30):
It is ridiculous, but that's who Kyle Shanahan is. He
does a lot of things good, but also he's very
bad at some things and handling injury management. This goes
back to Elijah Mitchell as well. He's always been terrible
at it. So I am not on that side, but
that's okay. I get the argument. Having said that, you
could make a better case for Garrindo because remember he
kneeled twice on what would have been game winning touchdowns.

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He got the first down and then kneeled instead of
running for fifty yard burst like he understood the assignment,
unlike Devon Aha who remembering in the Niners in Week fifteen,
I think it was gets the first down with a
min and a half left, and his eyes just get
bigger because he sees the goalie and he just goes
up feel for a fifty yard score. Did not care
about dealing it into the game whatsoever. So Grindo we

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know coming out of college, and the way he tested
was shot out of a cannon. He was a walking
ten yard play. He's incredible. And because of that, when
I open my I keep a running column called the
one injury away list, similar to your handcuff rankings, and
when I open mind, Grendo will be the number one
overall contingency value to keep behind Christian McCaffrey for sure,
because he's just good at the game, but I personally

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question how many touches he'll actually receive weekly.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
I probably echoed that exactly, like I'm a pretty firm
like Christian McCaffrey guy. If you're drafting him and you
don't draft Grendo, like I kind of also don't know
what you're doing, but like we all clearly know the
path for Grendo, and I think it is built around
McAffrey now being on the field, not them being smart
about it, because when has Kyle shanahan been smart? Like,
what's how John number two? On your running back sleepers?

(29:05):
I really like this because I feel like as a network,
we've talked a lot about the starter on this team,
and we haven't maybe talked enough about this guy. So
your sleeper running back late round target is a Seahawks
running back not named Ken Walker.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Zach Sharbonday is where the term sleeper gets convoluted to me,
because he's probably going to be a mid round back.
He's not going to go as late in my opinion
as Jordan Mason could be wrong there, but the point
I want to make is that Zach Sharbonay.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Is just really good at football.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
You have to go back to when he was recruited
initially coming out of high school, but a five star recruit.
Jim Harball's among that class highest recruit at Michigan and
he only left to planner Chip Kelly at UCLA eventually
because he was in a committee in Michigan, but still
a very, very talented and highly coveted player. Gets three
starts for Kenneth Walker as a rookie and does not

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do well but zooming out. It was against the Cowboys, Niners,
and Rams in twenty twenty three, which at the time
i'm were three of the best run defenses in the
entire league. So the moment he got under center for
ken Walker last year, in his sixth start, we should
have been higher and expected a better outcome, and that's
exactly what happened. He earned a double digit target share
in those six starts, was one of only two running

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backs alongside Jon Robinson, to have a route participation over
sixty percent. He handled every carry inside the five yard
line in those six games for Seattle, and he had
a higher rate of fifteen yard runs. He was more
explosive than ken Walker had in his respective starts. I
most likely, like, if we're betting on probabilities, ken Walker's

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going to lead this team in touches, But I will
say the aggressive nature and how he runs, He's proven
that he can't stay healthy. He's averaging three miss games
per year. But more importantly, there is a wider range
of outcomes than Sharbonay is very good. So again, Walker
probably leads this team in touches in the backfield, but
Sharboney could mix in or maybe out touched Walker. And
so I'll cross my fingers that happens for mid round running.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Back Bug, You're a pretty known ken Walker guy. Do
you think in the later round targets, is Zach charbon
A someone that you want to invest in?

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Zach Charbonay is good enough to push ken Walker for
touches and I I've always liked Zach Charbonay, but I've
always been an enormous ken Walker stand So I didn't
think that was really the case. But John just pointed
it out right, like, uh, Charbona a little more efficient,
fewer touches, you know, all of that, but fresher legs.

(31:31):
But ken Walker has been injury prone and this is
a team that should shift to run the ball way
more with you know, the improvements to the offensive line,
and you lose your deep threat in DK Metcalf, you're
placing with you know, Cooper Cup and MVS. I don't
know what that's going to look like with Sam Donald.
We know JSN is going to get a lot of touches,

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we know Walker's going to get a lot of carries.
But this offense is going to look fairly different than
it did last season. So I think investing in Sharbona
is a very smart bucks.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
You get to finish it off here and you've got
a nice deeper name. And this is a little bit
of a convoluted maybe backfield outside of the starter, and
who is the guy that is going to kind of shine?
This is an ECR fifty running back, So a nice
deep name for your final running back target. Let's hear it.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Yeah, it's Jalen Wright from the Miami Dolphins. And Mostert
is gone. He leaves one hundred and eight touches from
twenty twenty four, right already had seventy one last year. Now,
the Dolphins did sign Alexander Madison, who's coming off his
lowest yards per carry and yards after contact. They drafted
Olie Gordon, who just did not look like the same
player in twenty twenty four as he was in twenty

(32:43):
twenty three at Oklahoma State. He was, you know, he
would have been one of the top running backs off
the board if he had come out in twenty twenty four,
but he stayed. Did not look like the same dude.
So they're kind of drafting and hoping. But John U.
Smith is going to open up a lot of short,
dump off passes in this Dolphins offense. I mean, he

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had one hundred and eleven targets last season, second behind
only Miami Right wasn't involved in the passing game a ton,
but in college he caught thirty of thirty four targets.
He can do it. He's super explosive and super fast.
He fits this system a lot. And this is one
of those one injury away guys. I feel like, although
there is more competition for him, but John, I feel

(33:26):
like Jalen Wright is a dude that could burst onto
this scene if anything happens to a Chan, and he
should have a fair amount of touches even without a
Chan being banged up because he's not a thirty touch guy.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Ever, what do you think John about Jalen.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Wright definitely will be high on my contingency list, just
in case Devon A. Chan was injured, and similar to
Isaac Garrinda, Jalen Wright coming out of college was also
a walking explosive play. Waiting to happen never got on
the field since Devon ah Chan pretty much stuck around
and Wright had to compete with Raheem Mostert last year.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
But mosters no longer around.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
We still instead have Day three Alie Gordon behind him,
and so I would imagine right at least gets the
first crack at that direct backup spot if eight Chin
were to go down.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, they like they move to the you know, like
a weird run, heavier system. The thing I guess I
would worry about is if eachain was gone, that they
then spread it out even more and that's what could
potentially take it away. But the one injury away makes
it super fascinating and the equity is really low. So
those are John and Bogman's picks at running back. Let's
go move to tight end. It's messy if you don't

(34:31):
take the top guys, it's messy. But there's still tons
of names to pick from, so John. We're going to
start with you your late round target, which is kind of
a pretty popular way to approach tight end. If you
miss out on the top guys, who's your pick for
sleeper slash late round target a tight end?

Speaker 2 (34:47):
And I want to be clear with everyone.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
I genuinely believe everyone from Sam Laporte tight end four
to Hunter Henry tight end twenty four to twenty five.
I think they're all the same player. So you can
just wait and have player amen. Sam Laporta was unusable
for half a season. Kyle Pitts was one of the
best tight ends in the league for a whole month
in October. Mark Andrews you could have dropped in the

(35:09):
first month of the year and no one would have
picked him up because he was terrible. All these guys
are so volatile and pretty much had the same outcome,
except they performed well and performed terribly in different windows.
That's all it was. And so I hate all of them.
But but if you tell me to pick one, I'm
going to go back to the same thing we talked
about earlier and this ambiguous target tree with green Bay
and say, at the very least Tucker Craft was good

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when he played last year and the two hundred and
four plays he was on the field with Jordan Love
and without Christian Watson, since that's the iteration we believe
is going to be happening. For the twenty twenty five Packers,
only Dantavian Wicks had a higher target share than Tucker
Craft's twenty one percent, and in that time Craft was
the tight end eleven in points per game. He's part

(35:53):
of this ambiguous equation we're trying to solve. Luke Musgrave,
as they've shown, is no longer an option considering one
they had practically the same draft capital coming out a
couple of years ago. But Tucker Craft has very clearly
overthrown him and been a very good option that I
comper Jeremy Shockey now. So I like Tucker Craft and
Jake Ferguson. Those are kind of my two guys at

(36:13):
the If you're waiting for the later rounds for a
tight end, okay, so.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Before I get two bogs, I want to do it
like a follow up thing real quick, because it's interesting
what you said, because I agree with you. It's like
the top guys, and then it's just like fifteen guys
that are just like different variants of each other in
the Marvel universe. If you are looking at that and
that's your approach, and you're gonna take one of the
late tight ends like a lot of people do with quarterback.
When you miss out where you'll take, you know, whatever

(36:38):
the upside Caleb Williams, then you go. But I'm take
Caleb Willams. I'm gonna pair him with like a Jared Goffer.
I'm gonna pair him with a brock Party because I
got that comfort. Do you feel more inclined if you're
in this position to take Craft and Ferguson together knowing
that there's not a lot of sustainability and you try
to mix and match during the season, or do you
think because there's so many variants of each other, that

(37:00):
you're just going to be like, you know what, even
if it's tight end eighteen or nineteen on the wire,
I'll just pick up that guy. What are you more
likely to do? Take one and then just be quick
to cast off or take two and try to balance
them out like some people do with quarterback.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
I'm going to take one and focus putting my work
into streaming. I absolutely hate taking two tight ends and
home leagues and season long leagues. To me, there's no
point in it. It's one volatile onesie starting position. Thus
I can always address it simply by the starter. I
do not want to waste that roster spot on a

(37:34):
second tight end when I could have, like Bogs are
saying Jalen Wright, Isaac Grindo, actual league winning picks if
the dominoes were to fall correctly for them. It takes
so much more for the dominoes to fall correctly for
a tight end, and then they're just completely unusable.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
And there's always a big a Conquo or a Brendon
Strange for you to play around with a mission on
those guys. So what do you think about Tucker Craft
though as the pick your Bogs?

Speaker 5 (37:57):
I love that pick.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
I mean, and I'm I've said this, you know from
the jump, it's like the top three. I put another
group of like old guys, like you know Kelsey, and
I put Tucker Craft in that group too, of like
the next group, and then it's just everybody else at
tight end. And I think Tucker Craft's a very good
call out, very good player. I thought Luke MutS Grape

(38:18):
was going to be better than him coming out I'll
say that, and Tucker Craft has just been a much
much better tight end.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Well, you're going on the young side. You've been a
little bit of a tight end whisper. There was almost nobody.
You and FITZI were probably the absolute loudest last year
about brock Bauers Boggs. You've had a little tight end
whisper in you and you seem to be kind of
going back to it. Though you're not stomping at taking
these tight ends super high. You are picking a rookie

(38:44):
tight end as your late round target. So let's hear
which one.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Well, look, it is the shiny new toy thing. But
just like John said from four to twenty four, if
they're all the same guy, then give me the guy
haven't seen. Maybe he has a little more upside than
some of these other dudes. And that's Colston Lovelin, and
he dealt with injuries from the jump at Michigan last
season they had a historically bad QB room and he

(39:10):
still had eighty two targets, fifty six catches, five hundred
and eighty two yards, and five touchdowns, the next two
highest in targets for the twenty twenty four Michigan Wolverines
was Samage Morgan with thirty seven and Tyler Morris with
thirty seven. Yes, there is competition for targets at every
position and his including Cole Comet with the Bears offense.
But it's one hundred percent a crutch argument to say

(39:32):
again that Colston Lovelin was a top ten overall pick
and therefore will get usage because there's a guy like
Cole Comett in front of him.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
But it's also kind of true.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
I mean, I think a guy like Ben Johnson, who's
you know, had laporta for two seasons and given him
the output of two hundred three targets, one hundred and
forty six catches, sixteen hundred and sixteen yards, and seventeen
touchdowns is a pretty good starting point for any tight
end in their career. So, you know, he's a guy
that can finish as a high end tight end, one

(40:04):
in that group of three that we talk about. But
he has to see the targets and he has to
earn them. He has to push Cole Comet out, and
he has to beat you know, Odoons and Luther Burden
and all those guys. That's why I wouldn't smash the
table for him like I did brock Bowers. If he
had ended up in that brock Bower situation, I would
be way higher on him. But it's the situation that
scares people off.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
But I give me the.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Talent, whereas I'm already horrified by Luther Burden in year
one because the biggest red flag is a rookie who
gets injured and then basically just can't get reps during
the offseason, and so far, that's what happened at Mini
camp with him not being.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Available at all.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
The Bears drafted Colston Lovelin in the first round understanding
he was already injured and recovering.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
So it's different.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
And it's just the fact that you don't draft Loveland
over Tyler Warren without having a plan already in place,
because they're two entirely different players.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Warren is close, much closer.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
George Kittle looks for contact, a very violent player who
also loves to get in the blocking game.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Colston Lovelin is so.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Fluid and agile and works primarily as a slot receiver
more than anything. So I do it's probably a lot
more trust than others in Ben Johnson, but I do
believe they drafted Loveland with a plan in mind for
him from week one, and I think that's why. Also,
the ETR ranks are quite high on leveland ahead of ADP.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
And that Jeremy Shockey call out you had before, that's
my comp for Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren reminds me so
much of Jeremy Shockey, just never going to shy away
from contact, going to look for and going to punish
a linebacker or safety that comes to try to tackle him.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
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mocking today, test those strategies and get ahead of the game.
Let's talk about some quarterbacks, our late round quarterback. Oh
that's the best. That's the best feeling. If I don't
get Lamar Jackson or value on Joe Burrow, let's just
go play the end, especially if you're playing in like
a twelve team league. Late round quarterbacks late round draft
steals targets for you. Guys. You teased it a little

(42:45):
bit earlier, John, so we are talking about them. I
just talked about him with FITZI of course, your sleeper
late draft quarterback is Drake May.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
It is Drake May.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
And to be clear, I like a lot of late
round quarterbacks this year, but that it's only because since
we're playing the stock market, everyone who performed poorly last year,
despite having high ADPs is now being drafted later because again,
everyone prioritizes incorrectly last year's points. C J. Stroud, for example,
was a QB six and EIGHTP last year. Now everyone
leaves him for dead from the twelfth round on. So

(43:17):
it's very easy to get in my opinion, the top
twelve quarterback and the much later rounds this year. The
one player, though I will not allow anyone to take
credit for myself included whenever he's a QB one, is
Drake May because it's all too obvious, and his ten
full starts last season with the Patriots, an extra four
point two rushing points provided weekly for us and this

(43:38):
offensive line that ranked thirty first in ESPN's past block
win rate. Then went out under Mike Rabel and signed
veteran right tackle Morgan Moses, former Viking center Garrett Bradberry,
and drafted stud left tackle out of LSU Will Campbell
at number four overall, not to mention upgrading the receivers
with both Stefaan Diggs and Kyle Williams, so all stars

(44:00):
line against the third projected softest schedule in the league
for the Patriots to once again come out and have
I mint success with Drake May bugs.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
I know you've probably heard Drake May's name every other
episode with FITZI and I just did a short We
were talking about it. You know, the rushing equity. It
is an absolute real thing, and I think you know
Drake May and Justin Field seem to be the two
guys that are really in our faces about that. But
Drake May doesn't have the equity as far as ECR
goes that Justin Fields have. So what do you think

(44:31):
about this pick?

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Let me just tell you how much I've heard about
Drake May from FITZI during the off season and Dynasty stuff.
Is that he you know, in Dynasty rankings he's right
next to Bo Nicks. And obviously I did those first
because we had to have them for the show this
season post draft. But I was so high in my

(44:52):
mind on Drake May because of FITZI talking so much.
I was like, how is he a late round? Then
I went to look at his his Dynasty versus his
actual you know, twenty twenty five ECR. It's so much
lower in twenty twenty five. So I just had him
as like close to a borderline QB one in my brain,
but he's like QB sixteen or something in ECR. He's

(45:13):
fairly low right in there. So yeah, I think I
think it's ridiculous. I think he's going to have a
ton of value and you know, like, could you death
by a thousand cuts him?

Speaker 5 (45:22):
Sure you could.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
You could say, hey, look they're adding Trevon Henderson, they
still have Remandre. Maybe he's not gonna run as much
as possible, is Stefan Dick's gonna play?

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Like?

Speaker 4 (45:30):
There's a ways you can knock Drake May. But I
think he has the legs. He's just such a good QB.
And he's a good leader to improved offensive line, improved
defense as well. Like everything's better in New England and
coaching staff, So I don't know how he doesn't get better.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
It would be very surprising.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Fun fact on the ECR ranks, I'm taking a look here.
There are seventeen quarterbacks that make up three tiers, so
there's just the tiered quarterback play top. There's a there's
four in Tier one, there's four and Tier two, and
there's this big old clump of Tier three that goes
down to seventeen. You were correct, Drake May is quarterback sixteen.

(46:08):
The fun fact, though, is only two quarterbacks on those
top seventeen have a Strength of Schedule rating of a
five star better according to Fantasy Pros. One is who
I mentioned justin Fields, and the other is Drake May.
Both with the rushing upside Justin Fields though is now
quarterback ten. Drake may is sixteen, so a very good
pick here, Boggs, you have a theory is a rookie quarterback,

(46:31):
a second year quarterback that is also a pretty popular name,
probably a very popular super flex pick. But you're gonna
put him as a late round target that people need
to be paying attention to.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
JJ McCarthy, I mean this one, you know, I try
to give different names. I've done a lot of sleeper
shows in the last month or six weeks or so,
so I'm trying to give a little different names. But
JJ McCarthy is just such a constant to me. And
like John said, like you said, Welsh too, with the
grouping and how they're doing the quarterbacks, like, there's a
lot of value here late at QB.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
It's fairly deep this year.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Even in his superflex it's pretty strong, you know, once
you get past twenty four to twenty five, twenty six,
it's really ugly, but it's fairly deep there. And JJ
McCarthy just to me, I mean, just think about what
Sam Donald's career was like before going into Minnesota with
all those weapons in Kevin O'Connell, right, here's his QB
finishes before twenty seven, twenty seven, twenty nine, twenty eight,

(47:27):
thirty six, and then he didn't do anything with the
Niners and he finished fifty fifth overall. He was QB
nine with the Vikings last season, and that was with
them running the ball historically more than Kevin O'Connell has,
because Sam Donald wasn't expected to be the quarterback of
the entire season. So I think that JJ McCarthy dropping
in here. I think that he can have a similar

(47:48):
season to what Sam Donald did, maybe not nine, but
put him in the top twelve to fifteen, and add
his rushing potential on top coming off a knee injury.
Maybe it's not as much as we think, but it's
definitely in there, and way better than Sam Darnold last year,
even coming off an entry. For JJ McCarthy, I just
think the sky is the limit for this dude. There's
so much insane amount of upside for JJ McCarthy that

(48:12):
it makes him a viable risk down here, especially in
a one QB league where there's gonna be QB's on
the wire. You can easily take this risk and draft
JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, John, QB twenty and ECR with wide receivers of
Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison Hawkinson as you're tight end, and.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Aaron Jones is one of the best exactly right running
backs and they drafted Ty Felton.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
That's where I was going. Aaron Jones is great receiving
out of the backfield, and Jordan Mason could play both
of those. Does quarterback twenty matchup with those pieces around him?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
For sure? Someone I'm interested in that late round range.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
We didn't even talk about how and if you just
mentioned this, I'm sorry that I missed it, but how
they bolstered their offensive line and kind of came into
the off season making it a priority to make life
easier for JJ McCarthy and sign both Ryan Kelly and
Will Fryes and drafting Donovan Jackson as well.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
So it seems like Darsaw coming back.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
It seems like all the emphasis is on just helping
JJ McCarthy ease into the NFL and making life easier
for him to be more vicient this year.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
All right, If everything we've talked about has been more
late round draft steals to you and you don't want
to accept sleepers and stuff like that, that's fine. That's
totally okay, because now we're going to dig really deep.
These are deep sleepers. Each one of these guys have
picked a wide receiver, a running back, and we are
going to play a super flex quarterback. So this is

(49:35):
going to be like a late quarterback that's not going inside.
Let's say the top twenty four. So McCarthy is not
going to qualify and May is not going to qualify.
So these are deep sleepers. And I'm gonnaow you guys
just to go through your three. So John, let's start
with you wide receiver, running back and super flex quarterback.
Deep sleepers who you.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Have for US wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
I'm sticking with this Packers subject we've been talking about,
and I'll go back to Dontavian Wicks, who, even in
what I consider to be the worst waiver wire year ever,
Dantavian Wicks still somehow let us down despite leading the
Packers and targets.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Having said that.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
If you look without Christian Watson last year, Wicks still
led the team and being targeted on twenty nine percent
of its routes. So that's mine for running back. I'm
going deep, and this is very very deep. I had
to scroll this one. I just scroll down the Fantasy
pros rankings, and that is Will Shipley, who is Sakawon
Barkley's direct backup after the team allowed Kenneth Gainwel to

(50:34):
walk for only six hundred and twenty K guarantee from
the Steelers. Even then they said, we don't need you back.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
We have Will Shipley.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
And this is going to be discussed a lot this offseason,
but I do want to mention that there is an
easy path for Saquon Barkley to fail at draft expectations
at first or second overall in your home league, just
because he does have this historic four hundred and eighty
two touchd is if you include the postseason under his
belt from last year, and everyone mentions DeMarco Murray, that's

(51:06):
the last guy who handled four hundred plus touches and
then became absolute dust.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
But I don't even include that.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
I'll just go back to the last four running backs
and twenty seventeen, So we have twenty seventeen Leveon Bell,
twenty nineteen Christian McCaffery, twenty twenty Derrick Henry, and twenty
twenty two Josh Jacobs the last four players to handle
at least three hundred and ninety touches, and the following year,
the next time they played football, they collectively averaged zero

(51:32):
point nine fewer yards per carry and two point four
fewer fantasy points per game, like it had just obviously
worn them down the next time they suited up. So
I am slightly worried about Saquon Barkley at eightyp SO
early and then for super flex leagues because everyone's trying
to dig deep. I don't even know if I like

(51:52):
this pick, to be honest, but I know that Saints'
rookie Tyler Shuck is going to start, if only because
his quote unquote competition and Spencer Rattler already got bench
for Jake Hayner just last year. And regardless of what
we think about Tyler Shuck, we don't know anything about
the situation. Since this is the first time Killen Moore

(52:15):
will be a head coach, he is an offensive mind
to guru, and again, we haven't seen Shuck play at all.
What is against the easiest passing schedule based on last
year's numbers for the Saints. So I crossed my fingers,
close my eyes, and say, Tyler Schuck, you're a QB
three in super flex leagues, and let's hope for the
best Boggs.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Of these three, you kind of think you might have
already kind of given it away. If you can only
pick one that you're really, really into, who's your pick?

Speaker 4 (52:41):
I mean, it's definitely Will Shipley. This is the second
time I feel like I've heard Will Shipley's name, and
the first time was me calling him out because of
this exact situation. If you go and look at the depth,
Charlie aj Dyllon is in there, Aie Dillon is dust.
Will Shipley is definitely the number two here in Philly.
So in you know, John mentioned it the crazy amount

(53:02):
of touches. I mean, Will Shipley is the most obvious
non Isaac Garrendo handcuff that there is. So if you
have the bench space you're rostering Saquon, you need to
roster Will Shipley just in case, because if anything does
happen to Saquon Will Shipley, everyone is blowing out their
fab budget to get him because he's the running back

(53:23):
behind the best offensive line.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
In the lead.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
I'll tell you I love the Dantavian Wicks one. He
might be shocked with everything he broke down. He's wide
receiver seventy six in ECR. He's the lowest by a
wide margin of all the Green Bay wide receivers. And
I don't think anyone could comfortably stare at that wide
receiver corps and be like, oh yeah, that's the guy
that's going to dominate and run away with things. So
I think that's a really slick one box that takes

(53:46):
us to you wide receiver, running back, quarterback, deep sleeper names,
run us through them.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
All right, I got a couple of rookies for you.
I'm going to start with Pat Bryant, the rookie wide
receiver out of Illinois going to Denver.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
And this is a weird situation, right. I know.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
So FITZI loves Marvin Mims, our boy, Jake Seale loves
Devon Vailey. I love Pat Bryant is because watching him
in Illinois, possession type of a guy, big body guy,
can win a contested catch. It's the motor. I think
the motor is going to keep him on the field.
This dude loves to run block and you do a
lot of that under Sean Payton. Sean Payton compared him

(54:20):
to Michael Thomas. We're getting a little Pollyanna Payton here,
almost like Pete Carroll, where everyone is the best player
that he's ever seen that he talks about to the media.
So we have a little bit of that with Sean Payton.
But I'm really excited to see what Pat Bryant can
potentially do in this Broncos offense because they need a
number two next to Courtland Sutton. They don't really have
one right now. They're trying to find when Evan Ingram

(54:42):
deebro likes a lot. It's just this situation is ripe
with opportunity for somebody to come away with more touches.
Let's go with Taj Brooks, the rookie running back out
of Texas Tech going to the Cincinnati Bengals. They just
don't have anyone else behind Chase Brown. Chase Brown is
a dude that can handle a heavy workload. You do Illinois,
did it last season with Cincinnati, but he is a

(55:03):
little bit undersized to be doing that. I think Tosh
Brooks is a very, very good and capable three down
back that can be backing up Chase Brown in any situation.
He can pass block, he can catch the ball, he
can carry the workload. So Tosh Brooks is another good
guy with not a lot of competition in him to
earn carries behind a breadwinner there in Chase Brown and

(55:25):
my quarterback. Look, I'm just gonna go back to the well.
I think he's being written off by everybody right now.
It's Anthony Richardson. Yes, he really had trouble with the
forward pass, which is the only thing you have to
be able to do as a quarterback. The rushing upside
is insane. If Anthony Richardson starts seventeen games, he's a
QB one. I don't know if he's gonna start any.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Games this year.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Daniel Jones is looking pretty good. But I also think
if you're the Colts, and if you're Chris Ballard, and
if you're Shane Styken, if you hitch your wagon to
Anthony Richardson, what do you report? You say, well, I
don't know about Richardson now, and you let him be
the hero. I'm throwing up air quotes now on the
video and come back and push away Daniel Jones to
the side and emerge victorious, and you feed his ego

(56:11):
and his confidence into the season. I think we're seeing
a little bit of that potentially right now. Could it
be Daniel Jones starting Week one and Anthony Richardson does nothing, Yes,
but he still has enormous upside. So if I can
get a missing QB three, you know what, pair him
and Tyler Schuck together in your super flex leagues and
come away. You have one floor guy because we know
Shuck is starting, and one insane HI guy in Anthony

(56:34):
Richardson if he should get on the field.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
So that's my group.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
John Pat Bryant TOAJ Brooks, Anthony Richardson, you pick one
of Bog's deep sleepers, which one's your favorite?

Speaker 3 (56:44):
It's TOAJ Brooks, just because I don't know Cincinnati's intention
with Chase Brown. Yes, he was good last year, but
he really walked into an RB one role only because
Zach Moss, who was brought back for less than one
million guaranteed, so not even a guarantee to be on
this team's roster in Week one, but he became that

(57:07):
RB one once Zach Moss suffered that serious neck injury.
But if you look at all his advanced like broken
tackle numbers, explosiveness, he actually was below average in that department.
He just was a top twelve running back. For fantasy
because he got five and a half targets and twenty four.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Touches per game.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Because touches are the only skeleton key for fantasy football.
It's just a matter of us doing our jobs projecting
for touches. So will he still get those touches and
then be a top twelve running back and honestly of
value in the third round. Probably, but I can't guarantee that.
I don't know, so TODJ. Brooks is at least a
last round leverage option against Chase Brown.

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(58:06):
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(58:26):
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