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August 10, 2020 • 69 mins

A fun PPR mock draft awaits! Our crew competes against each other to assemble the best roster while explaining their picks every step of the way. The show kicks off with a deep dive into how Washington's backfield might shake out without Derrius Guice (4:06). Immediately afterward, the draft commences with Dan nabbing Michael Thomas at fourth overall (11:26). Can fantasy managers feel comfortable with Leonard Fournette (18:35) as their RB1, would it be ill-advised to select both Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt (37:12) on the same squad, and who is the better bet for production between Mecole Hardman and Henry Ruggs III (43:13)?

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hey there, everybuddy. Welcome back to the Finnish Froze Football Podcast.
I'm your host, Dan Harris with me are my guys,
Kyle Yates and Mike Taglier. You can find this on
Twitter at Dan Harris, Adi, at Kyle y NFL and
at Mike Taglier NFL. And I suddenly feel a little
inadequate because I don't have NFL at the end of
my Twitter name. But we're gonna have to deal with that. Guys,

(00:36):
how are you doing? I'm pretty good man. I uh,
behind the scenes here, I was texting with Dan last night.
I actually saw a video of my kid playing with Woody,
the toy from Toy Story, and he was banging his
head against the table, and uh, it's like a foodoo doll.
It's like a voodoo doll. Really, it was fantastic, terrible
And again I mentioned it, Dan, do you do you

(00:57):
have a headache this morning? I do. It was very weird.
I didn't realize it, and now it all makes sense. Yeah,
for everybody who knows, and if you're watching on our
YouTube channel YouTube dot com sas manage pros, I wave
my arms a lot and we discovered this. I didn't
know when I was on camera and I kind of
looked like Woody from He's tall, he's lanky, he's got
dark hair, he's got that that voice, like everything about Dan.

(01:17):
If you meet Dan in real life, I promise you
you will think that he's Woody, Like he's the real
life version of Woody. Also, let us not forget that
Woody is essentially the hero of all the Toy Story
movies and that's kind of how I am to us
and everything like that. All Right, so today, and perhaps
my name will be indicative of Woody as well, But
today we're going to be doing a PPR mock draft.

(01:38):
Before we get into it, let's talk a little bit
about what you're going to see going forward. We are
starting a new chapter today. If you don't know why,
you can listen to our last episode of this podcast.
You can check out our Twitter feeds or fans pros
twitter feeds. But it's a new chapter and I want
to let you know what you can expect going forward.

(01:59):
The rest of the time leading up to the season,
we are going to keep going with five shows a
week that we do in August like every year. We're
still gonna have great guests. For now, hostings probably going
to be a little bit of a mix and match
between me and Yates. I'm gonna be a little funnier,
Yates is gonna be a little smarter. But it's all
gonna be as good as can possibly be. Come the season.
We have done four podcasts per week over the last

(02:21):
two seasons. That was the Old Chapter. New Chapter six
podcasts per week. They were going to be love streams. Yeah,
get ready, boys, I don't know did you know that,
by the way, because we're just gonna be podcasting. It's
no news to you. Good, You're ready there. I'm the
editor in chief, by the way, the company, I'm kind
of their boss, so I can just tell them what
to do. There are going to be live streams. They
are going to be huge contests and giveaways. There's going

(02:45):
to be NonStop Sunday morning coverage. There's going to be really, really,
really good fantasy advice. So stick with us. We intend
to earn your loyalty throughout the entire season. We are
ready to go, guys, anything else we want to say
before we jump to them and before we move on. Obviously, Dan,
for those of you who are just now hearing Dan
for the first time, you don't know his cleverness. He
is actually on the Sunday Show. Like last year Dan's

(03:07):
was doing the Sunday Show with me, we did a
Sunday recap show right after the games. We'd sit down
and talk about the games and go through them. Dan
is not only a fantastic host who's very witty and
makes fun of us more than probably our bosses should,
but he asked me, what's your problem in And he's
also one of the most accurate analysts, Like if you
go back last year, he finished as number seven analyst overall,
like of like over one hundred and fifty experts last

(03:29):
year number seven overall, and then the year before that
he was in the top thirty. So Dan clearly knows
what he's talking about. He's got these projection models. I've
been asking him to share him with me, and he
keeps avoiding the conversation, like I don't know what's happening here.
I'm trying to have a conversation with him, but he's
not He's not buying into it. But Dan is a
very genuine guy, a good guy, and I'm happy to
have you as my host, buddy. I really appreciate that

(03:50):
you did leave out obviously that I was I think
fifteenth overall in draft accuracy as well, So I feel like,
you know, and he's humble. He's very humble. All right,
let's get into it. So, as I said, we're gonna
be doing a PPR mock draft today. But first, this
happened after our last show. Let's address the Washington football
team releasing Darius Geis after he was arrested on domestic

(04:13):
violence charges. You know, guys, was a second round pick.
He had played in five games over his two seasons.
You've got a crowded backfield over there. Adrian Peterson, Antonio Gibson,
Bryce Love Payton, Barbara Jadie mckiss, Like, let's start with
you tags. How are you breaking down this Washington backfield for?
I mean, it's really difficult to love anybody here. Obviously,
this is not a very good football team. That offensive
line is bad, and it lost Trent Williams this offseason

(04:35):
once San Francisco obviously, so that offensive lines and rebuild mode.
So you kind of need a running back who's gonna
catch some passes. Antonio Gibson seems to be the favorite
of everyone, and obviously he's a guy that's a physical specimen.
And I know Yates has talked about him quite a bit,
but there's a lot that we don't know about him
in terms of how he's going to translate to the NFL,
because he's never been a player that's gotten a whole
lot of touches. He's the one who got the biggest boost. Obviously,

(04:56):
Adrian Peterson's gonna be involved in somehow, some way. But
you know, as twelve touches from Adrian Peterson getting anybody
a Fantasy championship or making you excited to put him
in your your roster, probably not, Yates were are you
out in this whole situation? Yeah? So I was really
high on Antonio Gibson to begin with, right, I had
him in my RB thirties for the majority of the
off season, and so now I'm seeing people across the

(05:17):
industry raise him up to their RB thirties. I'm like, welcome.
So I really didn't I didn't move him up at all.
I really didn't adjust. I adjusted and tweaked slightly, but
after the Darius Guys news, But Adrian Peterson is the
main beneficiary here. He will be the main belcow back.
Peyton Barber will be that rotational guy. I'm sure that
they're not going to give Adrian Peterson, you know, fifteen

(05:38):
carries a game at this point of his career, So
Barbara will see some Peterson is nothing more than just
an RB three, this guy that you can roll in
on by weeks. But Antonio Gibson is the really exciting
name here because he has the draft capital with this
coaching staff, and he's an He's an electric playmaker. He
can get you know, significant yards per carry on the ground,
and he is an excellent receiver. So I think they're

(05:59):
going to utilize him as a receiver out of the backfield,
but then also potentially as a starting slot receiver in
this offense. So that's what I've been saying all off season.
It sounds like that's going to be the plan for
them for the Washington football team. So we're just going
to keep our eyes on this and we'll adjust as
need be. But Gibson is an absolute steal in drafts
right now. Yeah, Gibson, I believe forty four carries in

(06:20):
college or something like that. I mean a seventy seven,
seventy seven total touches, yeah, right, Yeah, And in terms
of carries, right, I mean that's you mentioned sort of
the receiver. A guy who I've been getting pretty late
in deeper drafts who I like coming into this year
was Steve sims Like. He was a guy who I'd
been drafting kind of late because you know, he closed
last year pretty well and he had a good role
out of the slot. I wonder, you know what's going

(06:42):
to happen now as Gibson gets on the field a
little more generally, just speaking, what that's going to be doing.
Let me ask you guys a question, tag do sort
of mention it? Obviously Peterson gets to work, probably gonna
leave it first of all. Actually, I guess whose highest
half PPR rankings. Who's the highest Washington running back in
your rankings? Right? Yeah, I'll take Gibson. I have him
just spot over Peterson right now. I'm gonna finess my
projections and everything, but right now I have just one

(07:04):
spot over Peterson because there's a little bit unknown there
and I would prefer that because I'm not gonna have
either of these guys am I starting lineup to start
the year, So you why not take the guy that
has some unknown to his name? And it's like you know,
some tremendous upside in terms of what he brings as
a physical specimen, but again I'm not really excited and
knowing that. And you know, an Tony Gibson's now going
in like the sixth round of some of these drafts,
seventh round. I'm not going to how any of him.

(07:27):
I'm unwilling to spend that draft capital on him because again,
it is a very bad football team. They're not going
to score a whole lot of points. Again, a defensive
minded coach probably in the running for the number one
overall pick next year. They do have a solid defense,
but the cornerback unit has a ways to go. So yeah,
I'm just I'm not really into Washington at all. Is
I just don't attack them as a fantasy owner, but
just because again I'm projecting them to be a pretty

(07:49):
bad offense. Yeah, to be as fair as possible. I mean,
Peterson did have more than two hundred carries in each
of the last two seasons, and I know yards per
carry isn't a great metric or anything, but four point two,
four point three the last two years. He's still I'll
be honest, like, there's just no way I'm going to
be going into a season thinking Adrian Peterson is going
to be a starter for me generally. I mean, for me,

(08:10):
I think I'm probably I'd rather take one of the
high end backups like Tony Pollard or Chase Edmonds or
Alexander Madison all right over a guy like Adrian Peter
because there's just there's not enough upside, especially in that
offense and everything like that. So I guess where we
come down on is like we're, you know, maybe willing
to take Gibson generally speaking, but we're really not excited
about any of them. Is that fair to say? Fair? Yeah? Wonderful. Okay,

(08:34):
then let's get into today's show. Tags. Do you want
to break down we're gonna be doing a multi user
draft PPR. You want to break down all the goodness
that we're gonna be doing. He Yeah, for sure. You
guys can do this, what your friends, you can do
it yourself, whatever you want to do. We obviously have
this mock draft lobby where you can go in and
create a draft. So I've obviously invited Dan and Yates
into this room, and it's going to fill up the
rest of the nine spots with random It's going to pick. Basically,
you could choose how if it picks off adp ECR,

(08:57):
whatever you if you want to draft against Dan, you
want to draft against Yates, you drafting against me. We
actually have those options now, so go and check it out.
We're doing a PPR draft today. It is one quarterback,
two running backs, three wide receivers, one tight end, two
flex spots, one defense, six bench. We are not drafting kickers, fellas,
because well, let's just be honest, they don't matter. Boo.

(09:17):
Just want to put that out there, by the way,
as one of the more accurate kicker rankers. Okay, I'm
all on team kicker. Okay, I'm not kidding. You get this.
You know it's joking. You can get an edge in
your you talk to me, Okay, you hit me up
on Twitter, Dan, Harris Adie. You can get an edge
in your league if you properly project kickers. That's all
I'm gonna say. No kickers here, I accept. By the way.
These multi user drafts can be found over at fantasypros

(09:38):
dot com slash draft Wizard. All right, well I'm clicking
start draft because I'm tired of here Dan talk about kickers. Sorry, sorry,
and we're gonna find out our draft slots. So, Dan,
you haven't fixed this competition, have you? Did you talk
to the devils beforehand? No, I was telling you guys earlier.
I'm like, basically like for a multi user draft, I'm like,
oh good, this is like the third one I've done necessarily.
By the way, if you want to watch the draft,

(09:59):
you can go over to YouTube dot com slash Fantasy Pros.
That's where you can view this podcast. That's where you
can view all of our podcasts. Also, fun fact, I've
always talked about myself as super handsome. That's the type
of thing you say when you're a part time writer
and you don't ever respect me on camera. Come to
YouTube dot com slash Fantasy Pros. Check us out, and
you will see that I actually look like the offspring

(10:20):
of Freddie Mercury and Andre the Giant. It's gonna be great.
You're gonna see here tags. Did I tell you? Did
I tell you that? I sent him a screenshot a
while back and I was like, dude, you look exactly
like Freddie Mercury. It's fair. Oh no, I let I'm
leaning into it. It's fair. I'm okay. Anyway, So I'm
the fourth pick. I don't know what picked you guys are,
and I am on the clock right now. Dan doesn't
really care what pick we are, Okay, So Dan, while

(10:41):
Dan decides his pick, he's got the fourth pick. I
landed at number eight overall, and Yates wound up with
number ten and Dan. While you think about this, Yates,
I want to ask you, how do you feel about
draft slosts this year? Like if you obviously, if you can,
you're taking pick number one, But after that, what's your
favorite pick? Because I know some leagues out there they
actually you know, discuss, you know, basically have a random
drawing and then you get to choose your draft slot.
Would where would be the second and third choices that

(11:03):
you'd have? Yeah? Probably? I mean I'm fine with one
h two to get sa Quon. I don't think that
there's much of a gap between CMC and Barkley this year.
I think there is a gap, and I think CMC
is number one, but I don't think it's as significant
as what we saw last year, right with CMC and
then the number two running backs. So I'm good with
number two. If not, then I'm aiming for like one
oh five one oh six, so I can walk out

(11:25):
with one of those top two running backs. All right.
So I'm here on the clock and I've just been
letting you guys speak. I'm at four the first three
picks where CMC, Barkley, Elliott. So I'm debating between Thomas
and Kamara. I'm gonna take Thomas here. I mean, you know,
I like to start where I go in any draft,
whether it's PPR, happy, you are almost always with a
running back if I can. But Thomas, as much as

(11:47):
I love Camara, Thomas is just too much of a guarantee.
So you know, I will be focusing a little heavily
on running backs going forward, especially early on. But for now, Thomas,
it's there's really no wrong move there at for no
in a PPR format, I don't I mean, I probably
would not go with Michael Thomas at number four, just
because I feel like, if it comes back to you
in the second round, what running backs are going to

(12:08):
be staring you in the face. Are you gonna be
starting Aaron Jones as your RB one? That's the tire.
That's the reason that I don't know if I can
go Michael Thomas one oh four yeats where are you
at on that? Where do you have Thomas? And where
would you take him to PPR? I get the appeal, right,
I totally get the appeal with Michael Thomas in a
full PPR. Obviously, the amount of receptions that he had
last year is just absurd and that's a clear competitive advantage.

(12:29):
So I'm not gonna fault Dan for taking him there
at one oh four. It all just depends on how
you want to construct your roster and what you said
tax That's a very valid point, like are you comfortable
with one of these guys, these second tier running backs
as you know your RB one? Are you going to
be fine if Austin Ekeler is there? He might not
be in a full PPR. Are you gonna be fine
with Austin Eckler as your RB one? Yeah? So tag

(12:50):
Darren the clock here. Why don't you make your pick? Yeah,
I'm gonna go ahead and select Derrick Henry. We're gonna
be doing a show later this week that covers the
article I did on Boom Bust and everything in between.
It's an article that highlights the consistency of players, and
Derrick Henry is someone that I would have dragged down
in PPR formats. But after I did that article, I
actually realized that wasn't smart of me. Derrick Henry absolutely
belongs in the tier with Dalvin Cook. I mean, if

(13:11):
you look at the numbers from last year in a
PPR format, he was an RB one sixty percent of
the time, that was first, right behind Christian McCaffrey. And
again that's in PPR formats. Guys, he was an RB
two or better eighty percent of the time, So his
floor was there. Derrick Henry, I do believe they have
to find some way to utilize him in the screen game,
in the passing game a little bit more. Even if
we get him another one target per game, that could

(13:33):
be another chance at him breaking one of those long plays.
So getting Derrick Henry at one o eight Joe Mixon's interesting,
and I'm wondering if that's where Yates is gonna go down,
Because did you hear the basically the rumor mill right
now about Joe Mixon and that Zach Taylor realized as
the year went on that Joe Mixon deserves to be
the focal point of this offense and that they need
to get him more involved in the passing game. Yeah,
we saw that at the end of the year tags

(13:54):
on every Sunday Night recap. We were just lamenting for
most of the year just how great Mixon is, how
underutilized he is, and we saw at the end of
the year that they really turned a corner. I don't
have any problem with Henry there or Mixing mixing. I
do have Henry slightly ahead, like one spot ahead in
my PPR rankings, but either one you can't go wrong. Yates,
You've got ten seconds here at number ten. By the way, yeah,

(14:14):
I'm not going Mixon, although that I do not fault
anyone for taking Mixing there. I'm going Clyde Edwards Hilaire.
If we're looking at a full PPR in the most
dynamic offense in the NFL, and you're then you're adding
in a guy who is a phenomenal pass catcher out
of the backfield to get him here at the one tent.
I honestly thought he was gonna go. I thought you
were going to take him tags, so to get him
here at the one ten after we saw DeAndre Hopkins

(14:37):
go at the one O nine, I'm all on board
with that. I think that's phenomenal value. So Yates, do
you have concern? I mean, we're obviously we're not gonna
have any preseason games. And as much they want, he
is a rookie. There are plenty of mouths in that backfield.
What sort of role do you expect him to take
right off the bat? He'll be the guy right away.
You don't take Clyde Edward Hiller off the field, you know,

(14:57):
or you don't give him the majority of the work
when you have guys like are When Thompson and DeAndre Washington. Now,
while I like DeAndre Washington, it's not like he's been
there right He's in the same situation that Clyde or
Hilaire is. You know, he's coming into a new offense.
So Clyde Edward Hilaire is going to be on the
field right away. And even if I don't, even if
he's not at like one hundred percent of his future
workload week one, I know he's going to be there

(15:18):
by week two, week three, and I know that I'm
going to have a top ten running back from the
majority of the season. All right, it's your back on
the clock here right after you went Miles Sanders, Kenyan,
Drake Julio Jones and Joe Mixon. So you think of
wide receiver here or what I want to continue out
home looking. I want to continue to load up on
running back if I can. And a guy who makes
a significant jump, it's actually crazy significant jump in my

(15:40):
rankings from half PPRT even full PPR is Austin Eckler,
and I think he's still going to be heavily targeted,
heavily involved in this offense. I want to see what
my team looks like with doing Clyde Eddard Hillier and
Austin Eckler here. I'm not crazy about this start. Let
me be clear, but I want this is the purpose
of these, right, This is the purpose of doing these
at the beginning of August. So we can come back

(16:01):
and we can say, Okay, what did my team look
like at the end of this draft. Do I like
going guys like Clyde Seller and Austin Ekeler to begin
or what I've been better off going Tyreek hill who
want the next pick after me? Yeah, in my opinion,
that's the right pick. And I have no problem even PPR.
It doesn't matter to me, like I still try And
this is coming from somebody who took Michael Thomas with
his first pick, But generally speaking, I still load up

(16:23):
on running backs, especially someone like Eckler who in PBR formats,
obviously he goes up, you know, a huge amount from
where you would have him in standard league, even half
PPR leagues. I think that's a right pick. Even though
you're starting with running back wide receivers deep, you'll find
plenty of options even in a three wide receiver league.
So I'm good with it. Yeah, all right, So I'm
back on the clock, and obviously Derrick Henry gives me
a solid floor. I know he presents upside. And so

(16:45):
once you get outside the DeVante Adams, the Michael Thomas
is the Julio Jones, It's kind of like a big
cluster of wide receivers. So I don't feel the need
to reach for a receiver at the top of the
second or mid second at two oh five right now.
So I'm gonna actually go back to running back because
I know once it comes back to me, I'm not
gonna the running backs that are on the board. So
I'm actually gonna go Nick Chubb. A lot of experts
were recommending if you could, you guys can see on
the draft screen that Aaron Jones was the running back

(17:08):
who was recommended that I take there. But Aaron Jones
to me is like a late second, early third because
there is some risk built into him with AJ Dillon
being drafted in the second round, stealing some goal line carries.
Nick Chubb's he's he's the man in terms of Kareem Hunt,
what he's going to do. There's gonna be plenty of
touches to go around because Kevin Stefanski, if you look
at the Vikings backfield last year, they averaged over thirty

(17:28):
one or thirty two touches per game. Even if Kareem
Hunt were to get twelve touches per game, there's another
twenty touches to go around. I do believe this offensive
line is built for that. They want to take some
pressure off Baker Mayfield in the passing game. So getting
the Chubb at two oh five feels pretty good, even
in a PPR format again where there's value in the
three to four round range of wide receiver. All Right,
So I'm sitting here, and obviously I started with Michael Thomas,

(17:51):
and I think let's harp on what Yate said earlier,
which is this is really the time to experiment and
to see what's going on. I get like very nervous
when there aren't running backs on my team, and you
guys have obviously gone with running backs here, so I'm nervous.
So I'm like, oh, running back, Okay. The top guy
is Aaron Jones. That is sort of the guy tags
you said. Would I be comfortable with him as my

(18:13):
RB one? Yeah, I would be if I have Michael Thomas.
But I'm also staring at George Kittle and I'm wondering
how crazy this is gonna get. If you know, I'm
thinking of that seeing the original Batman. You want to
get nuts, Let's get nuts. And I think I'm gonna
get nuts here and take George Kittle and start a
PPR draft with no running backs in my first two
picks and take George. Could you guys when a roast,

(18:35):
how does it feel? How does it feel? First off?
It feels terrible. It feels like I'm sort of like
my heart rate is a little higher right now because
I'm looking at the running backs. He's about to draft
Leonard Fournett. Yeah, you ain't lyon. I mean, I'm almost
certainly taking Leonard Fournette here he is suggested by fifty
percent accords. Let's talk about Fournette for a second. By
the way, it's a PPR league. You throw out the

(18:57):
seventy six receptions or whatever he had last that was ridiculous.
He's not gonna do that. But the Jaguars have taken
every possible step to show us that they're not interested
in having Leonard Fournette. Right, he was on the trading block.
There was all this talk, and then they drafted nobody.
It's Chris Thompson is the guy who's there, and he
will take away the passing down's work, especially Jake Ruten.

(19:19):
You know obviously he knows him. But Fournette, I mean,
I really think I realize in PPR is not gonna
get as many receptions, but what do you score three
touchdowns last year? I think sort of he's still gonna
get that work. I don't think the Jaguars often is
going to be abysmal, So I think his his you know,
the regression positively in touchdown is going to sort of
cancel out a lot of what he's gonna lose in

(19:39):
the passing game. It's not an ideal start for your
RB one in a PPR league. But you know what,
what I've learned is you're going to have weaknesses somewhere
in your roster. It doesn't really matter whether or not
it's running back or wide receiver or ted end. So
for me, I'm going with Leonard here, and I'm starting
my draft with Michael Thomas, George Kittle, and Leonard Fournette.
Go ahead, guys, Pylon. I don't love it. I don't

(20:01):
love it. I like Kittle, I like Michael Thomas. That's
all cool, but running back, and to be fair, and
I want to talk with you guys about something. Is
this a year we're more than ever you might be
able to use kind of like a modified zero running
back approach because think about it, Okay, if you're in
a league and this this COVID thing takes over, and
like you know, running backs miss a game or a
wide receiver misses a game, which position is it easier

(20:23):
to replace in case that happens, right, it's running back
because you know a player is going to walk into,
you know, those fifteen twenty touches per game, whereas a
wide receiver, if he misses his backup, is not going
to walk into those ten targets per game. So I
think running back is it's like, if you load your
bench up with running backs this year, I think it's
going to be possible for you to make it work.
Usually I would hate that start, but this year it

(20:46):
might work. I think it was a little reach on
four net. But again, running backs went early in this draft.
Hood Gurley went at three h two. That typically doesn't happen.
That's the thing, just to be clear. It's not like
I'm like, oh my god, give me Leonard Fournette like
coming out of here. It's just that, frankly, there was
you guys both took two running backs, right, So there
was a lot of kind of an early run on
running backs. There weren't that many left. Oh yeah, maybe

(21:07):
it was a little crazy, But what are you gonna
do here, tags You've got fifteen seconds left. I feel
pretty gross about this. I don't want to take Mike Evans,
but it seems like that's who's next time. I'm looking
at my rankings right now, and I know that I'm
going to regret this because well Yates is getting two picks.
In between me and Yates and I talk a whole lot.
He knows exactly who I want. I know exactly who
he wants a lot of times. So unfortunately, Mike Evans.

(21:30):
I mean, I know some people are gonna tell me, oh,
that's a good pick at three oh eight, you gotta
be happy with that. I'm not. I'm really not because
Mike Evans was not a wide receiver one last year.
I don't really care that he finished the year is
number one wide receiver twelve overall. I don't care. And
that's despite missing three games or whatever it was. I
don't care because if you actually break it down, he
actually wasn't even a wide receiver two half the time.
Like he had some massive performances that carried this basically

(21:53):
total on the season. But yeah, Mike Evans, I mean
in the third round, to wait until towards the end
of third round to get my wide receiver one, That's
probably what I should have expected, but I'm just not
excited about it. Yeah, I think that's actually a great pick.
I mean, I get it tags where you are, but
you look at your lineup so far, Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb,
Mike Evans, that's a darned solid start. I mean, for me,

(22:13):
I have Evans as my eighth ranked wide receiver even
in PPRT, so I have zero problems with that pick.
I get why it's slightly uncomfortable, but really I think
that's the way I would have gone as well. I
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(23:40):
So for my wide receiver one in a full PPR,
I want volume. And if I'm looking at a guy
who I know is going to have volume this year,
it's DJ Moore in Carolina. We're talking about a team
that their defense is going through rebuild mode. This entire
team is going through rebuild mode. And while I do
like their offense, I think their offense can be competent.
And you know, this season, I don't think he has

(24:03):
like immense scoring upside, But yet We're talking about a
guy who could easily see one hundred and fifty targets
and in a full PPR if I went running back,
running back early again, I'm just looking for target volume here,
So Dj Moore at the back of the third round
to be my wide receiver one in a full PPR,
I'm comfortable with. I'm gonna double it back here though,
and I was hoping that one of these guys would

(24:23):
go off the board, which would actually make my decision
a little bit easier. If you've listened to me at
all this offseason, you know that I love two guys.
Robert Woods and Calvin Ridley. Both are on the board
and staring me in the face. In a full PPR,
Robert Woods gets the slight edge, but I mean literally,
in a full PPR, they're separated by one point. In
my projections, like, I am going to go with Robert

(24:45):
Woods here because I think he's going to see more volume.
I think Ridley has more touchdown scoring upside, obviously the
fact that he scored seven and thirteen games last year
in Woods only had two in the sixteen that he played.
So but Woods is going to see a ton of volume,
and that's the Uh, it's gonna be the theme throughout
this draft, you know, with Clyde Udor Tilaire, Austin Eckler
just pure passing volume, pure volume. So Robert Woods here,

(25:08):
how do you feel about that? Tags with the Woods
versus Ridley debate, Oh, I mean I'm psyched right now
because Yates just left me Calvin Ridley. So basically I
thought there was no way with Yates having two picks
in between there, like DJ Moore is someone that is
like right next to Calvin Ridley and my ranking. So
it was kind of like, Okay, if I get more,
I'm cool with that. I like Woods, I've got I've

(25:28):
gotten Woods in the fifth round before, and again I
have zero like in terms of what he brings to
your team. He's a rock solid wide receiver too, like,
very very little worry about him. I have no concern
about his role on the team. He's going to finish
as the top probably top eighteen wide receiver. He doesn't
present like the crazy upside that's someone like maybe Calvin
Ridley does. So it just depends on what you're looking

(25:49):
for in your fantasy team. I have no issue with
this pick. I have Woods at number sixteen wide receiver.
I have Ridley at thirteen, so I'm gonna go ahead
and take Calvin Ridley here. I am stoked about that.
That almost makes up for my Mike Evans pick. So
I almost like Ridley just as I have him twelve
and thirteen in my rankings. So it's like right there.
So to get those two, to know, I have two
of my top ten running backs, two of my top
thirteen wide receivers, I'm pretty stoked about that from the

(26:11):
number eight spot right start drafting. Yeah, I do think
that's a great start. The one thing I will put
in is that I it's not that close for me.
I would significantly high. I like Ridley, but we've talked before.
I think tags you know on the show with a
Sean Corner I have, you know, would basically as a
low end wide receiver. One this year, I which I
get him. I get the two touchdowns and I think

(26:34):
it was actually three because I think he scored a
rushing touchdown last year. Would you have to give him
credit for just like you have to give a J.
Brown credit for that. AJ Brown, by the way, staring,
I was actually about to say Dan before you just
said that. I was gonna say, let me guess your
next pick here because I can't. I can't. Oh no,
you're gonna pass on him at four nine. Here's here's
the Daun back tags. This is where, this is why

(26:55):
we start. And the next time I start at the
fourth pick, I will probably just go with Alvin Kamara,
Michael or perhaps not take George Kittle. But George Kittle
is essentially like a wide receiver too, right that that's
basically that we're, you know, my wide receiver too essentially
for it given what he does. So yeah, I'm looking
at this and I really do think I need a
running back, especially PPR. Brown's value is a little lower,

(27:16):
So it's either Melvin Gordon or Levion Bell. I'm going
to take Bell, who I have one spot higher in
this format. Look, we know what he's going to do
in terms of the receptions and everything like that. The
Jets are going to be behind. Their defense just took
another hit with C. J. Mosley opting out. They're gonna
be behind. There's gonna be a lot of dumb offs
and a PPR league. I personally have Bell higher, and

(27:39):
I'm looking now here at what I'm going to be
doing and Brown obviously went right after that. So there
are interesting wide receivers I get, and I do have
two running backs, but I'm gonna take somebody who. Man,
I have tried to resist this entire draft season. And
then that's stupid picture where he looks like a superhero.

(28:01):
And now I'm like, all right, let let me take
a deeper dive into what we're gonna see. I'm not
convinced he's gonna start the season, you know, obviously I'm
talking about I'm not convinced that he's going to start
the season and just be like boom, this is my backfield,
Adam my way. I think Marla Mack is still gonna
factor in um but man, I mean running behind that
offensive line, given you know the signals that the Colts

(28:24):
have made that they don't you know, Marlon Mack is
not the guy. It's gonna be really hard when Taylor
almost certainly breaks out at the beginning of the season,
even though he's a rookie, I don't really care. I
think he's just gonna be a monster in the end.
He's been slowly moving up my board. He's gonna be
my one of my flexes here, my third running back
is Jonathan Taylor. That's gonna be Leonard Fournette, levy On Bell,

(28:46):
and Jonathan Tyler. So I wan't running back running back?
You guys disagree gave my roster. You think I should
have gone Brown or what? No. I like the Jonathan
Taylor pick. I do not. I do not like the
lady On Bell pick. You guys are crazy. I would
have taken over to Fair. Yeah to now in APR league, guys,
I mean, how many dumb BoFs do you need to
see to Levion Bell to get on board in a
PPR league. I saw Frank gore get signed to the roster.

(29:07):
That was enough for me. Yeah, I get it. But
Frank Goreon gonna be catching passes over here, and and
you know, I get it still for me, it's not
close like I'm definitely taking Bell over Taylor in a
PPR league. It's not particularly close, but interesting because I
just you know, to me again, don't forget the Jets
pass catchers at this point. There's another guy. I won't
mention him because I love him and I hope to

(29:28):
get him later in the draft who will be catching
basses for the Jets. And he is the lone real holdover.
You've got Breshad Peerman, right, You've you know, you've got
Denzel Mims. They don't have time to really get acclimated
into the offense. You've got the old reliable Jameson Crowder,
Final Sam and Levon Bell. I think he's he's he's
a perfect pick right there in a PPR league person.
That's fair, no text, Yeah, dang, it's that's that's basically

(29:51):
a pick that I knew he was not coming back because,
like I was deciding between David Montgomery and another player.
I'm not going to talk about it because he has
two picks in between mine. But basically this is where
knowing your competition really does help out, because Montgomery sometimes
will fall into the sixth round. It's it's kind of
rare that it does, especially in a draft where running
backs are coming off the boards as rapidly as they
are here. Um, but yeah, I knew Yates would take

(30:13):
him with one of those picks. I was worried about
Ridley earlier. I was not willing to chance that again.
So David Montgomery as my RB three behind Derrick Henry
and Nick Chubb. I feel pretty good about Apparently he
showed up to camp with four percent less body fat,
which is obviously not a bad thing for a running back,
especially someone like David Montgomery, who was a little Michael
turnersque last year. I think we could say, to be clear,
I took that four percent and added it to myself

(30:34):
just to even out everything that we can fairly certain
that we're I'm saying, so, yeah, you guys, obviously Jeff
all right, Yeates, you're up here at the tent pick
round five. You've got Clyde Edwards, Hilaire, Austin Ackler, d J. Moore,
Robert Woods. What are you thinking? Oh my god, he's
tell put him on tilt. Yeah, you put him on tell.
I'm legitimately tilting. Um, that's so great that that Levion

(30:56):
Bell pick doesn't look so bad now that you wish
he was there for you now fifteen seconds. Uh, oh,
Man's real. This is great. This This is what happens
in drafts. This is why you always have to assume
you should have known that I was gonna take Davi Mongomery.
Should he should have had a plan in place, like
while you're drafting, get a plan in place in case
someone takes the guy you want. I took Tyler Boyd,

(31:17):
And here was my dilemma was because I know who
Tags is targeting, and he went, He's already gonna win
at the six o one, and so I knew that
Tags was going to try to take Aj Green, And
so my battle was do I take another player? And
then because I don't want two Bengals wide receivers back
to back personally, so then I was trying to figure
out if I should snipe Aj Green from Tags. Okay,

(31:40):
I'm gonna go. Good draft lesson, you have a little
bit of time. You're good draft lesson. Don't necessarily snipe
back just too just because you're mad. David Montgomery. That's
not an optimal draft strategy. That's pro tip. Pro tip.
Don't be like, oh really, you stole this guy from me.
I don't really like this guy, but I know you do,
so I am taking him. That is that is definitely
on a do not draft I want to make. I

(32:01):
think Gates is roster. I think people would like it.
Kleine Edwards, Hilaire Austin Eckler's is running back and wide receivers,
DJ More, Robert Woods, and Tyler Voyd. I mean, I
love the wide receiver trio. There Eckler, I think he's
fine as an RB two. I'm not quite sold on
his RB one, but Edwards Hilaria a PPR even in
PPR attacks Eckler, I think the team loses one hundred
past attempts. I mean last year they threw the ball
five hundred and ninety seven times. Tyrod Taylor has never

(32:23):
even in the games that he in the years that
he played sixteen fifteen games, He's never thrown the ball
more than four and thirty seven times. I think they
want to play a game management style offense, and you know,
Eckler could lose, Like I'm not he he could lose
twenty five targets this season, and he's obviously due for
some touchdown regression in the receiving department. So yeah, I'm
I'm not crazy high an Eckler, But again, as an
RB two, I'm cool with that. I by the way,

(32:44):
just to be clear, have no problem with ecklais an
RB one in PBR formats. He you can lose one
hundred past stamps and Eckler can easily be an RB
one in my opinion in full p BAR. So yeah,
it's go ahead. Drop that. Who tell everybody who you
picked there at? Yeah it's six third pick of round six? Yeah,
six or three. I won't mark Ingram and I am
not willing to rely on mark Ingram as an RB

(33:05):
two this season. However, to get him as an RB three,
This guy who I can rotate in, he can be
in my flex. He's still in one of the most
dynamic offenses in the NFL, high scoring. Yes, he's gonna
have JK. Dobbins factoring in for touches we should see.
You know, Gus Edwards still be involved Justice Hill, of course,
but yet mark Ingram is still going to see enough
work to be fantasy relevant and he always has the

(33:25):
opportunity to score. So for mark Ingram to roll him
in as a flex in a great matchup, I'm perfectly
fine with here in the back or the start of
the sixth round. All right, tags, you made your pick ahead,
drop some knowledge, Darren Waller the Raiders. I mean, everybody's
talking about the Raiders wide receivers and which ones are
going to benefit from from hearing that Henry Ruggs is
going to play the slot and this and that. What

(33:46):
does it mean for hunter? Renfro does Tyler Williams play
Tyrell Williams play Brian Edwards. Is he gonna make it
in the starting lineup. Everybody's learning about that and trying
to figure that out. But what people are overlooking is
that Jared Cook over one hundred targets two years ago,
Darren Waller walks into the offense first year. Last year
seventeen hundred, nineteen targets, whatever it was, and it's like,
this guy is a very much a part of the offense.
And to know how well he did last year, By

(34:08):
the way, he was the only tight end in the
league that includes Kittle and Kelsey, he was the only
head end in the league who had at least seven
PPR points in every single game. So his floor was fantastic.
And that's despite scoring three touchdowns. To give you a comparison,
I think Foster Moreau scored five touchdowns last year on
like twenty something targets, so touchdown regression can lean his way.
And if we see him get to even six touchdowns,

(34:29):
sure he's gonna lose a few targets. If they If
they're going to involve Josh Jacobs a little bit more
in the passing game, obviously they have some better receivers
this year, but I still think one hundred targets as
well within the you know, the outcome for Darren Waller.
So even if he does score three or four touchdowns again,
he's still going to be a top six tight end.
So to get him in the sixth round, that's where
I feel there's tremendous value. I think if you take

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Waller in the fifth round, it's not terrible, but in
the sixth round, he's absolutely a value there. Yeah, I
have no problem with it. So while Tags was talking,
I was debating my pick. I went with Hollywood Brown.
If we're in a PPR league, so it's not necessarily
Brown's best format. I don't know how you guys would
be interested to hear about it, what you guys think
of it. I don't think that the Ravens are going

(35:10):
to run the exact same offense, regardless of how successful
it was. I just think they had it historically low
amount of pass steps. Brown was our you know, dealing
with injury all last year. I love the reports I've
read about him coming in. You know, he's not you know,
a wide receiver two and a half in a full
PPR league, not great again. I have Kidle though, so
I'm really viewing that in that vein and viewing Brown

(35:32):
as more of a wide receiver three. So go ahead.
I'm wondering what you guys think of that pick. You
can go ahead. You can hit it up and be mad.
That's a good point that you brought up there. Dan
like to rely on Marquis Brown is your wide receiver two,
I think is a little risky. Brown is someone that
I want as like this wide receiver three flex play
that I can rotate in in good matchups. The issue
with Brown last year was that you never knew which

(35:53):
of it which matchups were the good ones. Right, Like,
he when he scored a touchdown, he was phenomenal, but
then when he didn't score a touchdown, he really let
your team down. So he's kind of in this woll
Fuller range where I kind of want this guy that
can be a spark plug for my offense, but yet
I just don't know when I'm going to get that.
So to rely on him as your wide receiver too,
you're gonna have to start him every single week. That's
just not a place that I feel comfortable with. Well,

(36:13):
I'm going to still get a little nuts here because
I'm not even gonna get my third wide receiver spot,
and I'm going to take a guy who I think
it's a little early for him necessarily to take. And
you look at pick predictor, which is something that you
can look at to see what are the chances that
a guy is going to be there when he comes back,
and it said that there was a pretty good chance.
There was like an eighty percent chance, except of the
guys I know I'm drafting with, I think it was
probably less than that. And I could have been wrong.

(36:36):
You guys can tell me. But it's Tariko and and again,
we've got two flexes in this league, so it doesn't
matter who you fill it with. He's a lock for
at least seventy receptions. I think the entire Skaga offense
is going to be better this year. I'm expecting Nick
Foles to win the job. He was just missing out
on the explosive plays that he had from two years ago.
So for me, as a flex play, I feel completely
fine with it. Would he have made it back to me, guys, No, no,

(36:57):
absolutely not all right, so then I feel it even
though it was a little early part the pick predictor.
All right, tags you are up right here with the
eighth pick of round seven. You've got Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb,
Mike Evans, Calvin Ridley, David Montgomery, and Darren Waller. What
are you think? All right? I'm looking at the pick
predictor to see who's going to be available the next
time it comes back to me, like the percentage chances
that they make it back, and I'm feeling pretty good

(37:20):
about a few guys making it back to me. And
this is a multiple flex league, as you mentioned, tere
Cohen's there me looking at my roster right now. I
have my two running back slots with Phil, with Derrick Henry,
Nick Chubb, I have David Montgomery and one flex the
wide receiver position wide receiver three. I feel like we're
in a tier right now where I can go with
a few different guys and I don't feel like strongly
about any of them. So I'm gonna actually I'm gonna

(37:42):
go pure upside here. I think I think I'm gonna
take Kareem Hunt. That's gonna be my pick. Actually, yeah,
because we talked about cream Hunt on the show obviously
as someone that we feel is not only a flex
type starter with no injury. But he's also someone that
if something were to happen in Nick Chubb, he gets
elevated into that starting job and he's atomatically like insert
him as a top five running back play every single week.

(38:03):
I want to know you guys though, it is because
like while we're on the clock and these things, sometimes
we don't think him through because we're talking through all
these picks. But I have Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt
on my roster. Now, I did get Kareem Hunt as
a value. It even popped up on the screen saying
it was a great value to take Kareem Hunt there.
Do you guys think it's it's it's ill advised to
wrap both these players into one team. No, I don't think.
I don't think that's a bad idea. You're talking about

(38:26):
a backfield that it's going to have both of these
players involved. Hunt might not be someone that you rely on,
you know, while Chubb is in the lineup, but if
something happens to Chub, you've got an RB. You know,
we've talked about that tags You've got a top five
RB you know for fantasy football. So yeah, to get
Hunt here and I get. I will agree that. I
think that's a value to get him at the back
end of the seventh round. Yeah, I was almost going
to take him where I was. Frankly, he was either

(38:48):
him or Cohen. I have no problem with it. I
would have taken him. I would have taken him here
at my pick if he was there. Yeah, I think
it's totally fine. Tags. Look, they you know, I know
it's a different offense obviously, but they put a second
round tender on him. They they're going to be using him.
I think he will have independent value. We saw what
he can do, especially in the PPR League at the
end of last year, so I think he is a
guy you can probably roll out both of them most weeks.

(39:10):
And he is again a high end handcuff. All right, Yates,
you have made your pick. Why don't you go ahead?
All offseason I have been the guy touting Keishawn Vaughan
because I loved his talent at Vanderbilt and I thought
he was a perfect fit for this offense. However, one
of the main things that we need to keep in
consideration and we need to be better at as fantasy experts,
is to be fluid, right, to be willing to change

(39:31):
if news comes out that is not matching what were
predicted or projected. I drafted Ronald Jones at the seven ten,
and I have not been a guy who has been
wanting to go anywhere near Ronald Jones this offseason. However,
news is coming out that he is going to be
the guy. And so to get a starting running back
in a dynamic offense with Tom Brady, Chris Godwin, Mike Evans,
Rob Gron Cowsey, oj Howard like all these weapons, should

(39:54):
be one of the most high scoring offenses in the NFL.
And to get him here at the back end of
the seventh round, I'm happy with. I'm not super confident
in him as like an RB two, like a starting option,
but I have him as my RB four. I'm fine
with that. And I got to snipe Tag, so it's
a win win. I'm back on the clock at the
eight oh three and I'm looking at my options. Oh,

(40:16):
Jamison Crowder went at the seven to eleven. That was
actually who I was considering because I wanted to snipe
Dan now because he sniped me with Tarik Cohen. But accurate,
I'm gonna go Anthony Miller. Well, now you snipe me again.
So there you go. F Yeah, well I would have.
I would have felt a little hesitation given that I
have Cohen to add on Miller, but I still would
have done it. I think both Crowder in a different way.

(40:39):
I've talked sort of about how he's one of the
last guys there that really knows the offense. And as
a connection with Darnold Miller, I love this year. I
have him in most of my leagues. You know, he
finished basically as a wide receiver forty or something towards
the end of last year. Closed huge. If Foles takes over,
he loves the slot wide receiver. I think it's a
great pick. Yeah, And I'll just add really quick here,
really quick with Anthony Miller that there's a an article

(41:00):
the other day saying that Miller has come into this
season with a more mature and understanding the preparation that
it takes to be an NFL wide receiver. That was
one of these main things was that he was just
winning on pure talent at Memphis, and then you know,
his first couple of seasons in the NFL, or his
first rookie season, particularly with seven touchdowns last year, it
all came crashing down. So I think he's he's now

(41:20):
realizing that he needs to be prepared, and I every
indication has been that he's doing that. So I'm really
excited for him this year. Okay, tags, how about your pick,
but nope, dig the Miller pick. I'm cool with that.
And he also had a kid. Kids can change your life. Man.
They legitimately can get your mind right and say I
need to get on track and otherwise it's going to
pass me by. I'm glad he realized that Anthony Miller's
uber talented. I actually went and selected with my pick.

(41:42):
I took Sterling Shepherd. It's not a sexy pick. I
get that, it's really not. But he's also a guy
that last year had at least six targets in every
single game that he played. That's that's impressive. I mean,
Daniel Jones gravitated towards him. Darius Slayton was the guy
that would see two targets every now and then. I
understand he's a younger player, but Shepherd is a Yeah,
it's just he's not sexy and nobody wants to pick.
But getting him as my wide receiver three where I

(42:04):
went running back heavy. I already have four running backs
of my roster and a tight end. I feel pretty
dang good about it. And then, obviously Dan had two
picks in between my next one. So I don't want
to give away who I'm gonna draft here, but go ahead, yeah,
real quick. I had only drafted Michael Thomas and Marcus Brown.
I obviously had George Kittle as my tight end, but
I obviously need to focus on receiver, and I went

(42:24):
with Ceedee Lamb and Golden Tate. Obviously, Lamb as a rookie,
you're a little worried about all rookies. All rookies are
kind of down. But frankly, give me every piece of
this Dallas offense this year. I think a monstrous season
is necessarily coming. You know, you saw Randall Cobb, who
he essentially replaced on the roster. Get you know upwards
of eighty targets last year. You give that to Lamb.
I think he's going to be provide pretty much weekly value.

(42:45):
And then I went with sort of the Sterling Shepherd
esque pick in the same offensive Golden Tate in a
PPR league. He's a guy who not sexy but kind
of reliable, even though there are a lot of mouths
to feed. That's kind of how I feel about that.
I wanted that sort of safety type pick for my
benchwid Yeah. No, so the Benjam. I'm trying to play
a little bit different this year in terms of what
I'm going after, and it's basically I'm looking for guys

(43:07):
that have tremendous upside because I want to be able
to drop guys to pick up some of these handcuff
running backs or whatever if guys missed time. Henry Ruggs
is my pick here. I chose him over Kole Hardman.
I know that's not a popular opinion, but Nicole Hardman,
even going back to college, he's not a guy that's
seen a whole lot of touches and despite him being
crazy efficient, I mean forty one targets I think he
had last year. If you were to remove Tyreek Hill

(43:28):
from the offense, I would I'd be all in on Hardman.
But as long as there's a Tyreek Hill in this offense,
I think it's hard for Kole Hardman to absolutely break out.
And so in Sammy Watkins, by the way, I think
that he I know I'm not even talking about the
player I picked, but Sammy Watkins is a guy that
he's shined through the playoffs. Like I think, Sammy Watkins
is actually playing with an injury last year and that
explains to some maybe some of the inefficiency that he had.

(43:50):
They kept him on the roster. They clearly viewed him
as a as a vital piece of their offense. They
resigned to Marcus Robinson. Hardman is going to have a
bigger role, but I chose Ruggs over him. We heard
that rugg is going to play the slot from the
get go, which is really big for him because he's
playing with Derek Carr, a guy that checks down more
than any other quarterback in the league. All you want
to do is get the ball in Henry Ruggs' hands
and let him create after the catch. So to get

(44:12):
him as one of my bench receivers. I'm truly excited
about that. So real, quick, Gates before we get to
your pick that you just made me around the clock again.
I love the Rugs pick. You know, we just talked
about rookie wide receivers. A little worried about him, But
a guy like Ruggs who relies on the speed, I mean,
you don't need that much to develop chemistry that much
to take a slant seventy yards to the house necessarily, right.

(44:32):
I think he fits in exactly with what Derek car
Skill said is he scored a touchdown on I think
more than a quarter of his receptions in college. That's nuts.
I mean, he really is a home run play at
all the time. So I definitely think he's a target
this year in draft, regardless of the format. All right, Yates, Well,
first off, this is so freaking frustrating. We have got
to stop sniping each other. I wanted Henry Ruggs so badly,

(44:56):
and then when Tags took him, I almost cursed. Okay,
so nine ten I went with JK. Dobbins, And this
is just purely as I'm not typically one to lock up,
like Tags mentioned with his situation with getting Nick Chubb
and Kareem Hunt. I typically don't really like to handcuff backfields.
But if there's a backfield to handcuff, it's Baltimore. And

(45:17):
so if I can get JK. Dobbins, who could have
standalone value just like Kareem Hunt, I think he's going
to be on the edge of that. But then he
has top five upside if something happens to mark Ingram
or JK. Dobbins just outright takes the job. Then I've got,
you know, a phenomenal starting running back. I am now
looking at my roster. I was talking through that entire pick,
so I'm scrambling. Please don't know, I'm not crazy about

(45:41):
this pick. But oh I'm not crazy about it here
at this point. But DeShawn Jackson at the start of
the tenth round to be my what wide receiver five
at this point now I don't need to rely on him,
but he can be someone that I can plug in
strategically in my flex to be like me. Like I
mentioned with Dan's pick of a Marquis Brown or Will Fuller,
DeShawn Jackson is in that same caliber of a player,

(46:04):
but he's You're getting him five six rounds or five
or four rounds later, right. So this guy who we've
seen what he can do in this Philly offense when
he's healthy. He wasn't healthy at all last year after
Week one, so that's obviously built in risk. But DeShawn
Jackson here in the tenth round to be a spark
plug for my offense. He has week winning upside. Yeah,
he's obviously not ideal for a PPR league, of course,
but especially with Alstroun Jeffrey almost certainly going to begin

(46:26):
the year on the pup list, they're gonna, I mean,
it's why I like Rager as well. This year. They're
gonna need somebody to throw the ball too. So yeah,
I definitely don't hate it, especially for your bench piece.
All right, tag Alicious, What do you got from? All right?
I used the pick Predictor, So we have a tool
it's inside the Draft Wizard where if you're in a
live draft, it'll actually tell you the percentage chance that
a player makes it back to you. And there's some

(46:46):
players that I am looking at and I'm pointing at,
and you can see on the YouTube channel which ones
I'm pointing at that it's showing that there's probably and
there's not much of a chance that they're drafted by
the time I take my next turn, because I don't
need to go that way a wide receiver. Instead, I
am going to take Latavius Murray l I mean, only

(47:07):
one percent of analysts suggested I pick him there, but
I think that that's kind of ridiculous. We're in the
tenth round, guys, this is he would not have gotten
back to you. Yeah, this is your bench, like, this
is where you're supposed to have the upside guys, and um,
you know Latavius Murray just like Kareem Hunt. These guys
have top five upside. I mean Latavius Murray had RB
one like the RB one upside when Alvin Camaro was
out of the lineup last year. So getting him in
the tenth round it kind of makes no sense. Guys

(47:29):
like Matt Brito was taken before him. Yeah, I'm tilting now,
just to be clear, because I was like, oh great,
I've got this, and I figured I would take Murray
and then get the wide receiver that I kind of
figured I would take. And again I was using pick
predictor as well, and there's no chance this guy is
going to go before my next pick, um, So I

(47:50):
am instead going to pivot a little bit and pivot pivot. Yes,
a friend's reference there, and I'm going to take one
of the high end handcuffs here. I'm going to take
a wide receiver. There's a ninety nine percent chance that
he will be there after it bops back and comes back,
So I'm not worried about it. And I'm gonna take

(48:11):
Tony Pollard. I have four running backs on my roster.
I think you mentioned it tags there. This is sort
of the year for the high end handcuffs, and that
was one of the reasons why I wanted to, you know,
draft a guy like Murray who probably will have standalone value.
Not perfect for a PPR league, but certainly if anything
happened a Kamara. I mean we saw it last year.

(48:32):
He's an instant guy. He threw in there. So I
think for your bench when you're looking at running backs,
we've just talked about Adrian Peterson was still on the board.
That's not you know, somebody who I'm necessarily going to
take for my wide receiver. I can almost guarantee you
guys are not gonna like this, but I'm going to
take Curtis Samuel Yates. I've know that you have talked
about Robbie Anderson a lot. I am in the opposite direction.

(48:52):
I'm not a Robbie Anderson guy. I mean, with the
Jets it was fine. I just don't think that this offense,
regardless of him being reunited with his college coach, I
just don't I think Anderson is really much more of
just kind of a deep threat. I view Samuel as
really being the guy who's going to take a big role.
I know you hate that, but for me that we
disagree pretty strongly on you know, who's gonna win the

(49:14):
Samuel Robbie Anderson sort of debate. Well, I mean it's fair,
and it's the discussion. It's purely just looking at this
number two wide receiver in this Panther's offense is going
to have value, and it's now just looking out, Okay,
which one is gonna is it gonna be? I obviously
think it's gonna be Robbie Anderson. You think it's Curtis Samuel.
I'm not opposed to taking the shot on that. At
in the eleventh round we saw both of them go.
Curtis Samuel at the eleven O four with you and

(49:35):
then Robbie Anderson three spots later, So totally not opposed
to the pick. I just I personally prefer the Anderson side.
But again, the number two wide receiver in this offense
is going to see volume and it's a great pick here,
all right. Taggi's Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb, Mike Evans, Calvin, Ridley, Sterling, Shepherd,
Darren Waller, David Montgomery, Kareem Hunt on your bench, Latavius Murray,

(49:56):
and Henry Ruggs. Who are you going here? This is
a tough one for me because I'm again the players
I'm looking. I looked at the pick predictor. They're still
gonna be there most likely, So I'm going to take
the quarterback I have highest on my board. I know
we're in the eleventh round here. Carson Wentz is one
of those guys that over the last three years he's
produced QB one type numbers at least fifty percent of
the time, and I think that's underrated, especially considering the

(50:16):
lack of passing options that he had in the offense
with all the injuries they dealt with. So I debated
taking Jonah Smith just because I wanted to take off Yates,
but I decided to leave him for him because I
saw that he didn't have a tight end. I was
waiting for Team nine actually to pick tight end. I
was hoping it would be Jonuh Smith so so he'd
lose it. But Carson Wentz is somebody that I like.
If you want to take a late round quarterback approach,

(50:37):
and getting Carson wentz here in the towards the end
of the eleventh round. I'm pretty stoked about it. Yeah,
now that's a good pick. I was actually thinking about
it where I was as well, decided to go my route. So, Yates,
you took your first pick. It shocked everyone. Oh, I'm
sure it's about the year that it was John Us Smith,
who you have I think as your number one overall

(50:58):
tight end at this point coming in, So you're on
your second. Let me just give your roster here. Clyde,
Edward Hilaire, Austin Acklaer, DJ Moore, Robert Woods, Tyler Boyd.
Johnny Smith is your tight end. Your flexes are mark
Ingram and Ronald Jones. Your bench is JK. Dobbins, Anthony Millard,
DeShawn Jackson's small. Are you going quarterback here or what
I'm considering it? I was. I just took John Nu
Smith because I was like, I'm not getting sniped again

(51:20):
and I'm gonna take him. Even though it did pop
up and say it was a slight reach, I don't care.
I was not getting sniped again. I'm looking. I think
I can still wait at quarterback because there's a guy
that I want that I think I can get a
lot later. Niheim Hines is going to be my pick here.
And this is purely just their talk. The coaching staff
is talking him up as the pass catching option in

(51:41):
this backfield. And while I do like nihem Hines as
a player, I think that I don't know if I
necessarily buy into the full like camp you know, quote
unquote speak right, and they're just talking up their guy.
I don't think he's going to be as involved as
they're making him out to be. But to get him
here in the twelfth round as a potential, you know,
he could be a very valuable you know PPR option.

(52:03):
So and if he doesn't, if it's not what they're
talking about, then great, I can cut him. I can
pick up you know, I can use him as one
of these guys that I cut to pick up guys
off of waivers. So twelfth round will take night Hines.
I think the point that you made earlier about Chritis,
Samuel and Robbie Anderson, whoever has that role, the pass
catching running back role, because that is going to be
a role. It's Philip Rivers. There's gonna be a role,

(52:24):
there is gonna have a ton of value so I
certainly in the twelth round, no problem taking the pick
on Hines. Tags has sniped me and you can go
ahead and explain who you do. Sammy Watkins is my
pick here. Obviously I've already talked about it. I'm trying
to litter my bench with upside. You know, Henry Ruggs,
Latavius Murray, Sammy Watkins, these guys that have tremendous upside.

(52:44):
And we saw that with Watkins a little bit last
year Week one. Obviously, he went off the charts and
he like went bananas, and that carried his totals throughout
the years, so they weren't His numbers overall were skewed,
so he wasn't like a great wide receiver last year.
He's actually pretty bad. But again I think he was
dealing with an injury because once they got to the playoffs,
he played a big role. He did very well in
the playoffs. He actually scoled Richard Sherman. He was one

(53:05):
of those guys that could have been considered for for
MVP of the Super Bowl. But I mean, I have
no issue with taking its Patrick Holmes because they don't
win that game with all Patrick Mahomes. So yeah, yeah,
Sammy Watkins again having him as my third bench receiver.
Getting him in the end of the twelfth round, that's crazy. Yeah, No,
I like it. I've made my first pick. It's when
I'm really happy with it. Was a guy who I
got even before the Devin Funches opt out. That's Alan Lazard.

(53:27):
There were good things to report about him even this morning.
But that's a guy Alan Lazard moved him up your
draft boards throughout this season. I think it's gonna be
a big season. I was thinking, I mean Lazard Desar,
I was gonna take him anyway I used. I looked at,
you know, the three teams that were picking in between
and I picked. They all had a quarterback, so I
was figuring I could probably take a quarterback there. But

(53:47):
you know what, at this point, look the quarterbacks that
are left, Tom Brady, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers. I just
don't see a huge difference. You know, I'm willing, basically
at this point to write it out, and I've got
two more bench that I can fill with you know,
regular skill players, So I'm gonna still pass on a
quarterback at this point. Assume one of those guys who's

(54:08):
gonna make it back to me. And I'm gonna take
Darrenton Evans here again, another guy who you know he
should get the pass catching work in the Tennessee offense.
And again sort of this handcuff. If anything happens to
Derrick Henry, then he's gonna inherit a big workload. He
could be the type of guy who's a league winner.
So my two picks there, Allen Zazard and Darrenton Evans.
Lazard was the pick, and if you guys were watching

(54:29):
on the YouTube channel, you guys can see actually the
draft board and everything, and I was like sliding my
cursor over Allen Lazard and Sammy Watkins, and I was
trying to decide between those two, and I basically came
down to which one do I think has a better
chance of making it back to me. That's why I
went with Watkins because I figured he would go before Lazard.
But I definitely like that pick I was gonna take.
To be clear, tags whichever one you didn't like that,
those were the two guys top on my board and

(54:51):
I was gonna take one of them. So yeah, you
know it's fair, I'm gonna go ahead and grab a
guy that's rising up my draft board the more t
Y Hilton missus camp Paris Campbell is a guy that Yeah,
he's a guy that's moving up draft boards rightfully. So obviously,
you know, they felt very strong about him getting him
the second round last year, dealt with some injuries to
get on the field as fast as as they would
have liked. But at the same time, they're moving him

(55:12):
to the slot with Chester Rogers gone, and if t
Y Hilton would to miss any time, Paris Campbell's a bigger, strong,
or faster version of him. May not be as good
as football player. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying,
if you were to take the measurables and everything together,
Paris Campbell's a freak. And Philip Rivers has loved his
slot guys over the years, the guys over the middle
of the field. So I definitely like him. Now, Dan
while Yates makes his pick here while he curses my

(55:32):
name again, Darrenton Evans. So I liked Darrenton Evans as
like a timeshare back coming into the NFL draft, and
I was wondering where he'd go. Does it worry you
to know that the Titans are the only team in
football whose running backs have averaged less than one yards
before contacts and back to back seasons, like the offensive
line is viewed, there is a decent offensive line there,
They're really not. In both seasons they've averaged less than

(55:54):
one yard before contact. Derreck Henry's just a freak and
he just obviously explodes through tackles. It's difficult to tackle him.
Darrenson Evans not such a big guy. Yeah. I mean again,
I'm not drafting him at this point to be like, hey,
this is a guy who I'm starting, and I feel
like that was just your excuse to drop an awesome
stat which is fine. I can do that. Yeah, obviously. Look,

(56:15):
it's not like I would be like, oh man, the
Tennessee running back situation is the best situation of all time.
A lot of it is just Henry, because Henry is
amazing and everything like that. But if Henry were to
go down, or if you know, if he winds up
getting scratched or something like that, and Evans is the
guy in that backfield, then you know, regardless of that,
that's a guy who you're gonna be able to start,
even if you're not like, oh my god, I wouldn't

(56:36):
expect Henry production nowhere near that, but especially as you
know he's got more pass catching chops. I would I'm
be pretty excited. He's not like number one at all
on my handcuff option. Obviously, you know I already took Pollard.
I would take Chase Edmond, certainly Madison, but he's a
guy who I'm looking at late in drafts as a
guy who, if he does get the role, if Anning Adams,
Henry could have a big body. All right, ya, it's
what do you got here? I took D. D. Westbrook

(56:58):
at the back end of the thirteenth round, again just
looking for volume at this point, and he's going to
be a PPR option and a team on a team
that should throw the ball a ton this year. I
am deciding between a quarterback. I think the quarterback that
I want is going to be there. I'm gonna take
Randall Cobb here. Now this is not a sexy pick,
but as we're looking at Houston and we're trying to
figure out this wide receiver room, you have you know,

(57:20):
you have Will Fuller there, Will Fuller there, Randall Cobb,
you have Brandon Cooks there too. So I think Randall
Cobb is going to be involved as a slot receiver
in this offense, right, and they brought him in. They
paid you know, significant money for him in free agency,
early on in free agency. So he's going to be
on the field. And to get a guy who could
if Will Fuller missus time, if Brandon Cookes missus time,

(57:40):
Randall Cobb could be significantly you know, involved in this
passing game. So a guy that I can get and
started the fourteenth round. I'm fine with that, all right,
all right, tags, what was your pick ahead? All right, guys,
I've preached, preach, preached about upside of my bench. But
then I went back and I looked at my starting
lineup and I realized, Duling Shephard there in the wide
receiver three spot. Okay, I might need some more stability
from time to time, because again I have Henry Rugs

(58:02):
and the bench, Sammy Watkins, Paris Campbell. So I took
Larry Fitzgerald. Larry Fitzgerald a guy that not gonna win
you a fantasy title, but he is someone that can
fill a role. Again, if you're one of your wide receivers,
let's say Stilling Shepherd, I was dealing with the flu
or something like that, and he has to miss the game.
They rule him out on Sunday morning. Sammy Watkins is
somebody that hasn't been producing Ruggs, hasn't gotten the target
volume that I'd hoped. Larry Fitzgerald is someone I could

(58:22):
plug in my lineup. I kind of view my fantasy
lineups kind of like you would view your stock portfolio.
Or you don't want to be too heavy in blue
chip stocks, you don't want to be too heavy, and
you know penny stocks. You basically need a good mixture.
And that's basically what I'm trying to do with my
roster here, is just add a little more stability to
my wide receiver corps. And Larry Fitzgerald obviously offers that.
So yeah, I've got no problems with it. Okay. So

(58:44):
I was up and I was going to take Oh man,
this is bad. I gambled. I gambled on my wide
receiver being there. Pick predict Or suggested there's a pretty
good chance he was going to be there. I gambled,
and I took my quarterback and that was Tom Brady. Again.
I didn't see huge difference, But basically I'm on my
last bench spot anyway, So it's a quarterback and a

(59:04):
wide receiver. I thought James Washington was going to be there.
Who's a guy who I uh, you know, was I'm
not super excited about Washington, uh necessarily, but you know,
he was a guy who's been on my radar a
little bit. And now I'm also realizing that I believe
the other guy who was going to take is also gone.
I had like three wide receivers. This is me tilting,

(59:26):
by the way at this moment um. So that is fine.
So I am going to take a guy who again
tags you. You've talked about this. It's not a guy
I'm I'm targeting, not a guy like I'm like, oh
I want to get We say take him as your
last pick. He would have been there, you know, next,
I'll just take my DST next. But it's my last
skill position player and I'm gonna take John Ross. You
know you've you've laid it out. Also, I assumed it

(59:48):
snips you at some point. So, um, he's a guy. Again.
I agree with your last pick, and this is essentially
my last pick because I've got a DST. Uh. He's
a guy who you know has upside in this offense,
of course, and if he can put it all together
and stay healthy, he obviously could be a producer. So
John Ross there along with Tom Brady as stocks to stop. Yeah,
you're Matt, I'm not happy about it. John Ross is

(01:00:10):
a guy that I keep just waiting on because I
used to buil to get him in the last round
of every single draft, and every time I do, I
beat the tags mock draft you know, live stream. I
do this and it's like he's getting sniped in front
of me again, and it's like I don't want to
reach too much because at some point you're like, no,
the idea was that you get him with one of
your final picks, but this is I mean, I would
have taken him there. I debated him with my last pick,
but I figured he would have lasted. But again, that's

(01:00:30):
that's just me. I am going to take a running
back that no one is talking about for whatever reason,
and he's been a top fifteen running back before. He's
the clear cut handcuff to a guy that's being taken
in the first round. I'm talking about Giovanni Bernard, clear
back up to Joe Mixon. Nobody else even had a
touch behind those two guys last year in that backfield.

(01:00:51):
Um So, if Joe Mixon were to miss time these
contract disputes, like if something goes haywire there, Jon Giovanni,
Bernard is somebody that I'm willing to take a shot on,
like one of those last rounds. Just stick on the
end of your bench. I mean it's again, if Mixon
were to miss any time, Bernard walks into a fifteen
touch role, Is that what you think tags you think
he'd get that much of a role if if Max
him we're injured, because that that's always been my concern
with him, Like how much are they willing to turn over?

(01:01:11):
Because his production, you know, has really declined over you know,
each of the last three tis Well. I think that
has to do with Mixon though, because Mixon's a better
running back right Like Mixon is like he's he's a
bona fide stut And I said it, this is not
a new thing. I said, Joe Mixon was just as
talented as Levion Bell back when he was in Pittsburgh.
I just said, those two are just they're really, really,
really good all around running backs. Mixon's a little bit
more violent in terms of what he can do breaking tackles.

(01:01:33):
It's just we wanted him to be used more in
the passing game. So that's why Bernard has fallen. But
at the same time, I mean again, he has showed
that he could be a top fifteen running back in
the past, so I'm cool with it. All right, it's
you waited on your quarterback, who'd you end up with?
I got Cam Newton. And the reasoning behind this is
that Cam Newton is a cheat code for fantasy football
with his rushing ability. And if we get a healthy

(01:01:55):
Cam Newton, then I just secured you a full sixteen
game starter for my fantasy lineup in the fifteenth round.
The back end of the fifteenth round. He has a
great matchup Week one against Miami Wild. Miami's defense didn't
prove this offseason. I think that they're not going to
be anything that you know, I'm I'm going to shy
away from. And so to get Cam Newton at the
back end of the fifteenth round, if he's not fully healthy,

(01:02:16):
if we see that his shoulders, you know, issues are
still there, his ankle whatever, and he just doesn't look
like himself. He's not rushing as much. Great, I cut
him I pick up another guy for a week two streamer.
You know, the investment capital here is not anything of note,
so I can move on easily to get Cam Newton here.
It's potentially it's pure upside and with very little you know, downside,
So I'll take him here. Looking at my defense now

(01:02:39):
at sixteen oh three, I'm looking at week one matchup. Yep,
that's exactly what I've already done. I was looking at
that while you guys were talking, so I was trying
to figure out which defense I was gonna go with.
I am going to take the Chiefs defense here. They
improved a lot last year. While I'm not crazy about
them going up against Houston, obviously that's the first game
of the season, kicking off against the Texans, I think

(01:02:59):
these teams are going to come out rusty, So I
don't think that Week one is necessarily a matchup that
we need to be like super super scared off of.
I don't think it's I think there are better options,
like I would be looking at Philadelphia later on, But
the Chiefs defense is a really really good defense, So
I'll take them here. Yeah, and tags real quick with
your defense. Yeah, I went with the Chargers I love
Joe Burrow, but it's his first NFL game with no

(01:03:20):
preseason action, that offensive lines of work in progress. There
could be plenty of sacks there for the Chargers. The
Chargers team, that defense is just nasty. And I will
take the Eagles, who get the Washington football team in
their first in their first one. All right, So do
we want to do rosters first? We want to do
draft grades first, well under scores. So so, Dan, being
you're the host, I think it's only right that you
share first. Okay, but what if I hate my roster

(01:03:44):
because it was like the most atypical Harris draft that
has ever been. Don't judge me by this draft. Okay,
I went a little crazy with it anyway. So my
quarterback is Brady. My running backs my two running backs
are Leonard Fournett and Levon Bell. My wide receivers are
Michael Thomas, Hollywood Brown and CD Lamb. My tight end
is George Kittle. My two flexes are Jonathan Taylor and

(01:04:05):
Terri Cohen. My defense is the Eagles. My bench is
Golden Tate, Tony Pollard, Curtis, Samuel Alanzar, Darrnton Evans, and
tags Buddy John Ross got tags. What do you have?
All right? My quarterback is Carson Wentz. My running backs
Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb in my two running back slass.
My flex spots David Montgomery, Kareem Hunt. I also have
Giovanni Bernard and Latavius Murray on the bench. My wide

(01:04:26):
receivers Mike Evans, Calvin Ridley, Sterling Shepherd, Henry Ruggs, Sammy Watkins,
Paris Campbell, Larry Fitzgerald, tight end Darren Waller, and defense
the Chargers. I will announce my score since Dan didn't
want to announces. I got a ninety four out of
one hundred. I got an A. I feel like I
won this draft um Yates. I did like Yates' team
for a while, and then he kind of I stole

(01:04:47):
a few of his guys and he went on tilt
and I think I think lost them. He really sorry.
By the way, I'm not hiding my grade. I'll give it.
I didn't know if we were doing like rosters. This
is my first time I did get a B. I
got a six out of hundred, which, by the way,
I think it's totally fair because when I was during this,
I was like, this is what I have just gone
off the rails and it happens. Part of it is

(01:05:08):
also the process of talking about everybody's picks and doing
it while you're drafting, which I'm getting used to. It'll
be fine, nobody deal, but I got to be eighty
six out of one hundred, completely fair. I agree that
tags beat me, but Yates, let's hear it all right.
I'll rip through my starting lineup. Cam Newton at quarterback,
Clyde Edwards, Hilaire and Austin Eckler at running back, DJ Moore,
Robert Woods, Tyler Boyd at wide receiver, John U. Smith

(01:05:30):
at tight end, On Brand mark Ingram and Ronald Jones
in my flex. Kansas City Chiefs defense, JK. Dobbins, Anthony Miller,
nihem Hines to Shawn Jackson, Dede Westbrook, and Randall Cobb
make up my bench. And I got a ninety two
out of one hundred. Yeah. So this is as we mentioned, guys,
this is a new chapter for the Fantasy Pros Football podcast,
and it is also a new champion. I can't tell

(01:05:53):
you the last time, the last time that I won
a mock draft, but what I can tell you is
I've been given a massive trophy, Dan, Dan, do you
want to tell me where this came from? Because because
I mean, oh, I'm sorry, this thing is so heavy.
Oh I might need you guys help me lift it.
If you guys are watching, I need too. If you
can't see this shut up so heavy. I like that.

(01:06:14):
It's such a low point for me already right off
the bat out of this podcast, Um yeah we uh.
That is from trophy Smack, where you can get an
amazing amount of yates. Do you have your trophy ready
to go? Because I'll be honest, you we why don't
you show it off? I will show mine off as well.
Trophy Smack is really where you should be going, by
the way, just to make it clear when you have

(01:06:34):
stuff I'm holding up. I went with my championship belt,
which I am unable to put on right now, but
I do wear it all the time anyway, just for fun.
So right from from trophy Smack, guys, I assume you
love yours. This is massively no no. When it came
in the mail, I didn't know, and it was gonna
be big because well it came in the box. But

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it's heavy too, like it's got some weight to it
like this is going to make your league, Like if
your league made see this, they want it like like
no doubt about it. And um, well, Dan and Yates
they weren't hungry enough because they already had their trophies
at home, but in your league they don't have that.
So I'd just like to say, as your league champion,
it feels pretty good. This is my nightmare. This is
all right. Well, despite the horrific ending to this podcast,

(01:07:19):
it was pretty pretty fun new first chapter. Guys. I
liked it. I had a good time, and I look
forward to more of these where the next time I
draw the fourth pick, I'll probably go with Alvin Kamara,
but now I know, now I know not to go
with that. Hey, this is why we do mock drafts, right,
it is true actually, and that that legitimately is like
I was legitimately being like, let me see what this
looks like and spoiler alert, it looks bad. Don't do

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it that way. Um I didn't love it. All right,
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