Run Away From THESE 13 Running Backs (Ep. 1288)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy
Football Podcast. It is me Joey p Joe Pizapia, and
today we're gonna talk about running backs that you might
not want to be drafting in twenty twenty four. A
lot of reasons why we might be fading these guys
in this season. Maybe it's workload, maybe it's new places,
maybe it's just we're not buying what we saw in
twenty twenty three. But we have our reasons, damn it,

(00:23):
and we're gonna break them down for you and tell
you the reasons why. To help me do that today.
Former Abercrombie and fitzchild model Andrew Erickson and the original
model for Doctor Squatch, Derek Brown. They are both here,
no longer models, just fantasy football analysts. At the end
of the day, gentlemen, the running back position overall is

(00:44):
one that I feel like we're fading away from. I
like the hero RB Debro, You're more of a zero
RB these days. Is that how you feel about that
twenty twenty four pool.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, A lot of the way I'm approaching a lot
of drafts. It just kind of depends on draft spot.
But I have no problem, and I know people have
been squeamish about that in previous years. Joey, I have
no problems with going zero RB, especially in this wide
receiver heavy climate we live in these days. Yes, it's
raining wide receivers. Andrew Erickson, where do you stand on
the wide receiver pool and the running back pool in

(01:16):
twenty twenty four Because with the running backs, I mean,
I guess a lot of it has to do with
the spot that you're drafting and where that value might be.
But for you, when you're looking at this grouping this
particular year and the value on the board, do you
find yourself being more traditionalists in terms of where you
draft running backs or are you somebody that is looking
more towards some of these newer philosophies that we've been

(01:37):
implementing the last few seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I think it's less about the when when it comes
to running backs, because it seems like they're all great values,
right because their prices are suppressed. So it's like you're
drafting these wide receivers as your price of admission, right,
just so you can get into the contest and like
actually compete, kind of like in a superflex format where
like if you don't have any quarterbacks, like you're just
not gonna able to compete. That's kind of how I
feel about wide receivers, Like if you don't have these

(02:00):
two or three good receivers, like, you're just not gonna
be able to compete, So pay the price for admission.
With receiver and then running backs, it comes down to, yeah,
they're all great values. So it's more about well, did
you pick the right guy? Like that's what I think
matters more than actually like whoa I got ri Shard
White at this price? Travets ct was at this price? Well,
who was actually good? Like that that's what really matters.
So like that's what I'm excited to talk about running

(02:22):
backs today because it's always been oh, well, who's the
better value, Like who's going to at this price for
this price? But if they're all basically values across the
board because they're so suppressed, then it's like we just
got to make sure you actually draft the right guys.
And today we're gonna talk about the guys that we
don't think are the right guys to draft.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
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free at FP. We do have some names that you
guys agree on, and then some of the ones that
you have standalone. Today, Before we get to any of them,
I want to throw one out here for you. Last year,
CMC had four hundred and seventeen touches between the regular
season and the postseason that was combined last year last season,
going in this time last year, we were kind of
sounding the alarms when Josh Jacobs had four hundred touches

(03:21):
and we thought that was going to be a lot
and he would suffer a little bit from that. I
know CMC is special in terms of talent, but ericson,
why aren't we sounding the alarm a little bit more
with that workload year over year for CMC? Because it
feels like everyone just says, oh, he's the number one
overall guy, and I don't hear anybody talking about last
year's workload affecting him this season.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Why well, did you not read my running Backs to
a void article?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Because tell me more after that shame was plugged, I'm
dying to know.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
I agree with you that the four hundred touch threshold
is an earning red flag for Christian McCaffrey. He's not
my running back one. He's not my running back two,
like he is my running back three behind Breese Hall
and B John Robinson. I want to chase the young
guns that I think that when we're talking about next year,
who could be the one to one, I think it's
going to be Breese Hall and b Jon Robinson more

(04:15):
in that conversation, and not so much Christian McCaffrey, just
looking at players that are coming off over four hundred touches.
You had RB fifty three. You had two guys straight
up not play at all. RB seventeen, RB six, RB
seventeen and RB two. So the only running back to
actually return that again and he didn't even finish as
the RB one RB two was a twenty four year

(04:37):
old with Danian Tomlinson. Christian mcaffrey's not twenty four years old, like.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
True, so he's really you anymore, you're old.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Basically, the way I found it is he has better
odds of straight up not playing at all, just based
on historically speaking, than him returning his current price as
the RB one and number one overall pick in many drafts.
I've talked about this before and other shows the forty
nine ers for the healthiest offense in the NFL last Yeah, Like,
those are just things that at the team level tend
to regress year over year. And if you're looking at well, okay,

(05:06):
if they're going to sustain more injuries, well, who's most
likely to probably miss games? Probably the guy that touches
the ball the most, a guy that we've seen miss
a lot of games in the past. Again, up to
this point, he's been the bill of health with the
San Francisco forty nine ers, but it's getting up there
in age again. When he's on the field, yes, no debate,
like he's gonna be the highest scoring player, he's gonna
be number one ranked in my Week one rankings as

(05:27):
long as so. Yeah, but there's a concern of Okay, well,
is he going to be there when it matters the most?
I mean, last year, was he available in the Fantasy Footballchampionships?
I don't think he was, Like he wasn't there because
he was dealing with an injury. So again, don't forget
about like he was on the sideline and getting that
massage gun thing like true, that was really scary to watch.
So again I think for those reasons, like I think

(05:49):
that Jon and brest Hall have enough upside and their
specific profiles that they could push to be the number
one over running back in I'm going to chase the
youth there.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I agree. Everyone knows if I'm at the one, I'm
taking CD lamb. That's easy. MacCaffrey also got married this
off season, just like you, So there's another.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Reason as island.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, so you guys out hanging out around and you
have that.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
In common, and we both well we both won't finish
out the RB one either.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I was gonna say, can we get a corollary between
Ericson and CMC parallels.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
I feel like that needs that.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I'm sure they had the same wedding budget. I'm sure
it was the same similar house. Yeah, but it's true
think about this Debro too, because not even like forget
the one one overall, because we can talk about that
different strategy. I'm talking about what Andrew brought up, which
is he wasn't the third running back on his board.
He'd rather take the younger guys after that workload. Are

(06:42):
you fitting CMC at his cost? Because really, if you
don't take him top three, you're probably not getting CMC.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
And a lot of times if you don't have the
one oh one, you're just not drafting him, whether it's
in Best Ball or probably a lot of your home leagues.
And that's fine, man, Like I'll take CD LAMB And look,
I'm not full fading CMC. He still did in my
top three running backs right now. I have him in
as RB two, but Bjeon Robinson too. All of Ericson's points,
b John Robinson is my RB one right now. I

(07:11):
think you want to talk about workload, you want to
talk about age, you want to talk about the pile
up of touches and the injury risk, all that kind
of stuff, And plus I just think like, look, we're
going to see a massive step forward for the Atlanta
Falcons offense overall, and we're not going to get any
more of this ridiculousness of let's use Cordell Patterson in
the red Zoner Tyler L.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Jeers.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
So I want to be ahead of the curve there,
and I think we're not baking in any of the
risk for CMC, and there is risk there.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Ericson laid it up perfectly.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Now there's two guys that you guys actually agree on
in terms of fading at running back this year. I
don't want to know if you're running away from them or
you're just fading him with the ADP Alvin Kamaro of
the New Orleans Saints and DeAndre Swift of the now
Chicago Bears. Now, Erics, I know in the past you've
talked about DeAndre Swift never being the touchdown guy and
whatever offense he's played in, and that is a really
fair assessment and a real big knock on his fantasy value.

(08:02):
And now M Kamara is a tougher one for me
because Kamara to me is a big enough discount where
I still think of Pete the r Leagues is valuable.
But why are you fading both of these guys? And
then we'll get to Derek's reasonings as well.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Well, we'll start with DeAndre Swift. You know a lot
of running back production comes from Okay, how many touches
is this guy getting, how much volume is he getting
and what? Like what's our confidence level with that DeAndre
Swift is going to take over this backfield, like we've
already heard from their coaching staff that he's going to
be used as a weapon. Back to me, that sounds
the alarm bels of okay, like this seems like it's
going to be very unpredictable usage week to week. Like

(08:35):
you have other running backs currently on that depth chart
between Colo Herbert and Roshan Johnson that the team has
seen flashes from. They really like Roshan a lot. Last year,
Cli Herbert has been efficient every single time he's been
able to touch the football. Now, it remains to be
seen if all guys or all three of them, are
going to be on the roster come Week one. But
Swift to me, like he's rubbed two coaching staffs the
wrong way the last two seasons, Like he's been removed

(08:58):
from the Lions, like they move from him. He got
moved on from for the Eagles, and even last year
behind a basically perfect situation when it comes to the
Eagles just breed rushing efficiency from their running backs, Like
Swift was not that efficient. Like that's why I'm like
super concerned. Again, finished out inside the bottom ten last
year in your yards after contact per attend So what
are we getting with Swift? Okay, he's gonna catch a

(09:19):
lot of passes. Well, the Bears are like absolutely loaded
at wide receiver. So if I'm the offense of coordinator
Shane Waldron, like, why am i devising? Oh, we got
to get the ball to Swift. Like when we have
all these stud receivers running routes for our rookie quarterback,
is he the best rusher on his team? Like Khalil
Herbert is gonna say, I don't know, man, look at
by your art's per cary, it's pretty good. So when
you're looking at where's the upside case for Swift? Okay's

(09:39):
probably not gonna be the red zone back, don't know
how many passes is going to catch, don't know what
his workload is going to be. You're like, well, he
got the contract. I mean, Miles Sanders got a good
contract too last year, and how did that work out?
Like that's kind of what we're hoping on. So again,
when he first signed with the Bears, which is also
kind of out of the blue, it's like the first
team he spent up a free agency for running back,
like cause this always works out really well. That's kind

(10:01):
of like, okay, like you get excited about this, he'll
be the guy. But just the more that you're looking
about the current situation with a lot of question marks,
it's a new offense. Once again, it seems like, Okay,
this was kind of a luxury pick for the Bear's
like the head cap space. They have a rookie quarterback.
It's like, hey, let's try to upgrad running back. Let's
see what we can get with Swift, and if it
doesn't work out during the first month of the year,
it's like, well, we're gonna try something different. Maybe we're
gonna use Roshan a little bit morning. Roshan is great

(10:22):
in pass protection. That's not Swift's job. Swift was coming
off the field last year with the Eagles for Kenneth
Gainwell on third downs and in the two minute drill.
So is Swift just like rushing between the twenties and
that's it, Like, that's not valuable for fantasy, and that's
going to be really hard for you to then push
the button on drafting him and putting him in your
line up as like your RB two with a lot
of confidence.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
And what about Camara? Because Camara is another one where
Swift argument I'm one hundred percent of with you. The
Kamara one feels like a little bit of just Kamara
fatigue where he's just been around a long time, but
we take him for granted. I know you're a Kendre
Miller guy. Is that the biggest reason why you're fading
Camara's this is the year two of Kendre Miller with
better health.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Well, I think part of it is the Kamara is
not a great rusher anymore. Like we've seen the decline
in his rushing offensive over the last couple of years,
so we're not really seeing that from him. Again. He
was in the what forty out of forty nine qualifying
running backs and mistackles, force per attempt fourth worst, and
rushing yards above expectation. And I mean last year too,
it's like he kind of had the perfect runout when
it came to hey, we're expecting more competition at backfield

(11:22):
and the time he got back from the suspension. Jamal
Williams was on IR and so was Kendrick Miller. So
this is like all right, sick like on the RB one,
even though I expected to be in a much you know,
and more crowded backfield. So again to your point in
PPR format, it's like, yes, that's what you're gleaning on.
You're like, hey, he's gonna be catching a ton of
passes from Derek Carr, the checkdown king. But you have
to keep in mind is a new offense, Like this

(11:43):
is not the Sean Pagne Carmichael offense anymore. It's Klink
Kuback's coming in now. Kubiak has shown in the past
the places he's been no solid target share at the
running backs. So it's possible that Kamara's run target share
doesn't decline in any way. But what if it does,
then you have nothing with Kamara. And the other thing
too to point out is what's his touchdown upside? Look
at the last two years, he's only scored ten total

(12:04):
touchdowns five per season. When you look at running backs,
no running back last season that had five or fewer
touchdowns finished inside the top twenty four. So is he
the goal line Backstill, what about Taysom Mill? What about
healthy camp tra Miller? Remember Jamal Williams did score a
bunch of touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Season, scored all of his touchdowns pretty much.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
A white game. And how and how long ago and
how long ago was that? Like in a while, since
we've seen since we've seen Alvin Kamara spin like that
touchdown monster. So again, what happened Austin Ecklib this past year?
He was scoring touchdowns at like an like a crazy level,
and then they went away and then there was nothing left.
So again, I'm trying to get ahead of it a
little bit here where it's like, yes, Kamara RB seventeen, Okay,

(12:41):
like I kind of see like it could be a value,
but it's like, what are we drafted the next year?
He's going to be higher? Probably not. So if he's
not being drafted higher next year, then that means he
probably didn't have a strong finish and he probably wasn't
someone that you needed to have or couldn't miss out
on drafting.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
All right, dear bro I don't want to, you know,
keep too much more, say stop stop, he's already dead.
But Kamara Swich, what's your take on these two guys
because I know you're also strongly fading them with their
current ADP.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
I mean, both of these guys are gonna look good
in projections just because of what we think we know
about the backfields right now, and looking at what Kamara,
the only reason he's scored the way he scored last year. Yes,
the pass game utility is there, but it was the
stranglehold on all the freaking work. Like, yeah, he's the
RB three in points per game because he was literally
playing almost all the snaps. He was top ten in

(13:28):
not only opportunity and weighted opportunity shares, but you look
at as far as the red zone touches too. It's
like we could poke holes in what led to last
year's production in the sense of if he doesn't get
all of that and now we've seen the efficiency decline
over multiple freaking seasons for Kamara, what are we getting

(13:49):
out of Alvin Kamara? Basically, then he's just a really
extremely like high priced, aging declining committee back and Kendre
Miller is the player that you really want that has
the juice that backfield. So I just don't want to
sit here and get married to this year's like the
newest version of Uncle Lenny and Leonard Fournette and saying.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
He's gonna get all the snaps.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
But if he does get all the snaps, we're gonna
be highly, highly ticked off that we drafted Alvin Kamara
and DeAndre Swift. I mean, Erickson laid this out perfectly,
and I think that we've already seen what DeAndre Swift
in the type of role that maybe we projected in
Chicago looks like like after those two massive games for
DeAndre Swift in Philly, so basically weeks two and three

(14:31):
after that point, he only averaged sixteen point eight touches
and seventy two point four total yards per game last
year as the RB twenty five. So that in between
the twenties role and not getting any of the red
zone Russian role. Yeah, like, okay, that all happened because
of Jalen Hurts, but what if that happens again in Chicago.

(14:51):
It's not Caleb Williams, but it's either Khalil Herbert or
Roshan Johnson taking all the red zone roll away. We've
already seen how this plays out. DeAndre Swift is an
RB three, not an RB two, where a lot of
people are going to be drafting him this year.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Makes a lot of sense. I feel like I'm still
tempted to take Camara based upon I haven't seen Miller
do it yet. I know Miller's out there. I know
he could be that guy Swift again, I'm still with
you there.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
But but with with with the Kamara thing, like, how
how does Kamara if I don't take him, how is
he going to bury me?

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Like?

Speaker 3 (15:23):
God, being a.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Top five guy, I mean that that's how he buries.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
But how he marries you off line is a little
bit better too, because last year that's that's pretty bad.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
I think they're gonna be a bottom five unit too.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
I agree is probably not gonna play.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
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Speaker 1 (17:16):
Dee Bro, let's go to you with another running back
that you are fading in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
I just keep talking about it, and I hope people
are listening.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Faye Josh Jacobs, Faye Josh Jacobs, Faye Josh Jacobs.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
If I say it three.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Times, like you know, something supposed to pop out, like
when people are doing drafts in the draft whizzard and say, ah,
Josh Tacob, Like that's at least what I'm hoping, man,
because I just don't want to draft him. I think
the tackle breaking juice is gone. We talk about high
volume seasons ruining players. I think we've seen that with
Josh Jacobs and like last year twelve highest stuff rate,

(17:48):
he was at the outside the top thirty six running
backs and miss tackles force per tent yards of the
contact per attempt, and everybody drafting him with the ideas
that he is going to be a locked in workhorse
RB one one you're not even listening to, just not
even me. But the coaching staff Laflora has already come
out since they drafted Marshaun Lloyd and said, we like

(18:09):
this guy in the passing game. He showed out in
the pre draft process at Senior Bowl as a pass catcher.
He's going to play passing down snaps. So all these
checkdowns and this seventy eighty percent snap rate, I don't
know what people are thinking that how that's going to
happen with the coaching staff has already come out and said.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Not happening. So continue to fat Josh Jacobs and enjoy.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
I am certainly looking at Josh Jacobs a guy who's
going a little bit too high in my drafts right
now in terms of where I've seen him in some
early spots. And there is a weird comfortability factor in
because I think, you know, oh, they did bring him in.
But we've seen this story many times. It's like when
a team jettison's a player, you should always be aware
of that yep factor that into your decision making process

(18:56):
a little bit more. And this year in particular, there's
a lot of that the Austin Eckler's The World, Johndrey Swift.
We just talked about some other running backs on this list.
I don't want to spoil all of it. Andrew, give
me another name on your list at running back that
you are fading this year and what are your reasons?

Speaker 3 (19:10):
So the next guy for me is Kien Williams for
the Los Angeles Rams. I just think that look last year,
I just think it was kind of like the perfect
storm for him, and I just don't think it's going
to get better. Like That's kind of my reason for
fading Kien Williams is. Look, they drafted Blake Korm, who
I really liked a lot, and for the reasons that
they drafted him was because, Yeah, this guy can do

(19:30):
everything that Kyle Williams can do. And if Kyle Williams
gets hurt again, well we have Blake Korm lined up
and ready to go to be the rams RB one.
Like the thing with me is and this was highlighted
in my article about running backs to avoid. I really
look at it from a process standpoint where it's like, okay, like,
is this player checking off a lot of the boxes
of a player that traditionally when he checks off all

(19:51):
these boxes, like, it doesn't end up working out in
the long run. So we look at okay over lines
on rushing touchdowns. If you look at last year again,
Kyle Wims scored a ton of rushing touchdowns, but at
Matthew Stafford's red zone passing touchdown numbers were really bad
compared to how often he actually threw the ball in
the red zone fourth most a ten side the twenty.
And then you look at okay, do we love Kaien
Williams the player or do we love the role? I

(20:12):
think we love the role of the rams RB one,
Like that's why we like Blake Korm or at least
I do as like a handcuff running back, because it's
like if Karen Williamses any time, like I'm gonna be
putting Blake Korm in my top twel running backs, like
like I'm not going to be like hesitant about it
because I saw what he did in Michigan and I
think that's going to translit really well, like he's a
running back that maybe he's not excellent as an athlete
or any of those types of things, but he does

(20:33):
everything else well. And I think that's didn't go unnoticed
by Sean McVay and this coaching staff is why they
invested draft capital, because they didn't want to go back
to the Ronnie Rivers, Darryl Henderson front Royce Freeman experiment
from last year when Karen went down. Kyen's been banged
up his two years both in the NFL, and he
also really benefited last year from facing the league's lowest

(20:53):
rate of eight man boxes under five percent that was
number one in the NFL. So again, if it had
been and you know the running back but cam Akers
who shot me, if they absolutely hated like, then maybe
we wouldn't have seen Karmulliams in this, like in the
second highest snap rate role behind only Christian McCaffrey last year.
So for me, I think there's enough red flags for
Karen Williams that he's just not gonna be as good

(21:14):
as he was last year. And you can try to
make the arment okay when now he's cheaper, but at
the end of the day, it's like, well, if I'm
not gonna be getting the Karl Williams that I want,
I'll just bet on Okay, maybe he doesn't stay healthy,
I'll take Blake Korum much much later, and that's kind
of how I want to play it. I mean, look
at Williams two. Look, I'm fully open to being behind
the ideas like the first for the first month of
the year, Like he could be absolutely burying me because

(21:35):
he might be healthy, and I don't think that, especially
early on, Blake Korm is going to have a massive role.
But if anything happens to Williams, like, I don't necessarily
think that Blake Korum or this coaching staff is going
to just go right back to Kyrien like they did
last year because there's really no one else to turn to.
So those are my concerns that Blake Korm is going
to have a bigger role, especially in the second half
of the year when you're really trying to hit for
those Fantasy Championships real.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Quick Erickson, Trey Benson Korum were going neck and neck
in eighty Benson a few spots ahead. Would you take
Benson or Korm?

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I would probably take.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
It's a tough one. I mean, if you're a zero
r B person, that's the round where you start to take.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
I think I'm probably take I'd probably take because I
do like because it's like if I had to like
pick a combinations like would you have Korum and Benson
or Connor and Korum? Like especially when you factor I
mean James Connor could do exactly Kyl Wims does.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
The question is would you rather have you know Korum
and McVeigh or would you rather have you know Benson? Like,
I think it's about like scheme. We're talking about offense.
Real same question to you Derek Benson or korm.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
To me, this is clear Benson and I was lower
on Coorum as a prospect if you want to talk
about the past game utility that was non existent in Michigan,
plus tackle breaking metrics for Korum looked pretty bad, like
they dropped in every single season he was at Michigan.
So for me, it's Benson like and we've already seen
Arizona can field a really efficient rushing attack like Toss

(23:02):
and Kyler Murray. People have concerns about that with a
rushing quarterback. I don't have any concerns. James Connor produced
just fine last year's I would take the better talent
for me, that's Tree Vinson.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
All right, let's go back to you, Debro for another
name on the list, And this guy is one that
we're not even sure when he's going to be back yet.
In terms of ADP, it feels aggressive enough that it
seems to be an odd sense of confidence in the
market that Nick Chubb will return sooner than later. But
what are your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (23:27):
I just I'm avoiding him in drafts, man, Like, I
don't know when we see Nick Chubb, When we see
Nick Chubb on the field, what are we getting out
of Nick Chubb? What's his role going to be? We
know he's not going to play passing down snaps that's
going to go to Jerome Ford, So what are we
getting like maybe a part time early downback in an
offense where we're not exactly sold on it, but being

(23:49):
led by Deshaun Watson. Again, he's got his own health
concerns to deal with. So it's like, what's really the
part or piece that we love Nick Chubb so much?
Like he's almost thirty coming off a massive knee injury,
and per my guy Jeff Mueller out there his injury report,
I mean, it's really concerning, Like we're talking about a
player in Nick Chubb that not only tore his left
a cl MCL meniscus stuff, he actually had to get

(24:12):
an acl reconstruction, like a cleanup in November. So it's like,
I just don't know when we're gonna see this, like
see Nick Chubb, and when we do see him play,
what the heck are we getting? And this all leads
me to just draft all the drome forward and I'm
fading Nick Chubb. I love the player, but I mean,
tell me where I'm wrong here, Guys.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
I want to build on that last question I just
asked you because Benson Koram Chubb all pretty much in
that same round, ADP, Are you taking both of the
young guys over Chubb this year?

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yeah, I'll take both the young guys over Trub. Oh easy, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I think I think so much of this is contextual too,
in terms of fading. You know, it's not that we
don't love Nick Chubb. Everybody knows. I'm the president still
of the Chubb Club. But it is a hard sell.
That Cleveland offense, to me, is the most peculiar. I
have zero faith that it's going to be something that
I feel good about at the end of the day.
There's just so many variables, and I just think it's

(25:04):
too many variables in terms of the fantasy cost and
Nick Chubb is another one of those huge variables. Let's
go back to you, ericson the next name on your
list is another name that I see as a value.
I understand the age is an issue when it comes
to Aaron Jones, and I'm gonna sound a little bit
like a hypocrite. It's like you're talking about, well, some
of these guys when they get just in by some teams,
you should you pay attention to what's going on. But

(25:26):
when we saw Aaron Jones on the field last year
at the end of the season, he looked very good.
And he does have a history of being somebody that's
always outperformed our expectations every single year and finish as
a low end RB one every single year. So why
can't he do it in Minnesota now where they're gonna
need to run the football with either Darnold or JJ
McCarthy under center.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Oh, I mean, it's it's easier to look good when
you miss like seventy five percent of the season and
you show up in the last four weeks like, oh,
I got fresh legs. That's right.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
That's why I plan on doing this year. I'm gonna
be there for Week one and then I'm gonna show
up at week seventeen and be like, Yo, what's up?

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Start out again?

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Now we've got black eyes, We're all beaten down and stuff.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
By the season, Joey's like, let's do a show.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
My hair has grown out.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yes, that was the Aaron Jones experience last year. And
I wasn't really high Aaron Jones entering last draft season
and again obviously finished strong, but before that like he
was a bust, Like he was something that you drafted
and you did not feel good about your return on
your investment. Despite the Green Bay Packers, I think performing
above expectation overall from an offensive standpoint. Looking at with

(26:31):
him in Minnesota, are we like thrilled about this team
that's gonna be led by Sam Darnold or JJ McCarthy.
I mean, what about this scheme in general? Like what
the last running backs we've seen in Minnesota, like starters?
What have they done? Dalvin Cook? Was this his last
good year? And now he's like not even on a
team anymore. Alexander Madison was the king of the bus
running backs last year. Like, so I don't think the

(26:52):
situation is really that great. I think Ty Chandler is
good like aj Dillon was trying to give away. I
mean ty Chaler was able to prove that he could.
He's starting snaps last year.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I don't think you know not wrong.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Okay, well agree to disagree, but it's not what I think.
It's what the coaching staff thinks. So they like ty Chandler.
They made him the starter at the end of the
year because they weren't getting done from Alexander Madison. So
for those reason that.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
They're going to you know, since they paid Aaron Jones
a part of me in.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
They paid they paid him seven million dollars with none
of which is guaranteed. They paid him as much as
Dalvin Cook got from the Jets. How much did that matter?
It didn't.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
It didn't matter at all.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
It matters exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
That's fair and I and you know what, it's a
good lesson too for all of us, because I think
there are certain players we have good track records in
history with where they're undervoting in the marketplace and they
won US leagues because we drafted when they were undervalued.
But again, I should listen to myself a little bit too.
When you have these guys that get jettison from teams.
It's a giant red flag that if he moves on

(27:53):
from how often do you know everybody isn't Ladanian Tomlinson
where they go to another team and they still perform. Well,
maybe weren't the same guy with they were the Jets,
they were with the San Diego Chargers. Maybe you know
Adrian Peterson. These are Hall of Fame running backs. I
don't think Aaron Jones in that class. So Derrick Henry
is one of those guys this year, new team, But
I think Derek Henry is closer to that Hall of

(28:15):
Fame kind of grouping that he is necessarily to the
Aaron Jones kind of grouping. So running back to new
place is always something to be really concerned with another
running back in a new place. This guy was a
first round pick last year and now Derek Brown doesn't
want to draft him at all. It's Austin Eckler of
the Washington Commanders talk to me.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I mean, look, I can make you a pro b
Rob case here, but really we need to just talk
about Eckler, Like.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, I want the anti Ackler because I've heard so
much pro b Rob. Maybe the anti Eckler for a change.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Passing down back who might not garner all the passing
down snaps because b Rob is better than we give
him credit there. But Austin Eckler, that's really all he's
bringing to the table because last year. Can we can
people excuse away last year's tackle breaking metris because of
you know, injury and things like that, You can use
that excuse sure. Can we also say maybe it was age.

(29:02):
We've all seen the videos of Austin Eckler trying to
hit his second gear in the open field last year
and in just not being there where he looked like
a fullback in the open field. That could just be
this iteration of Austin Eckler like he's good on passing downs,
he could pass block, he can run routes, but that
explosive element to his game is just gone. And with
Jane Daniels under center, do we think Jane Daniels is

(29:22):
gonna be checking down a ton or is he going
to pull it down and take off running when every
things get crazy in the backfield? So I don't really
want any part of Austin Eckler like again to give
context to the tackle breaking metrics outside the top thirty
six guys and yards are to contact per attempt and
miss tackles force per attempt, And going back to the excuses,
this is not just an isolated incident. Austin Eckler has

(29:44):
seen his yards utter contact per attempt dropped in six
consecutive seasons. So while we can marry some of that
to last year's injury, the other part about this is
we've been seeing this trend over multiple years now we've
just seen it fully bottom out.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
I don't want any to Eckler.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
You know what, the biggest red flag to me on
Eckler is none of those metrics, even though all of
those are very valuable red flags. But the biggest one
to me is they said, you know, I need to
go somewhere where I wasn't gonna carry the ball that much.
To me, that's saying to the world, my body's breaking
down in the NFL, like I want to stay on
the field. I want to I want to still play
this game. I want to make money playing this game,

(30:22):
but I can't play it at the same level I
used to play it at. And that to me is
big enough red flag to stay away from him and
the name brand value of Alsin Eckler, I guarantee you,
if you're in casual leagues, will probably go a little
bit sooner than it should, maybe even a little sooner
than the ADP suggests, because people will just be familiar
and comfortable with the name. A name that's been uncomfortable
for a lot of people. Andrew Erickson, it's been Javanti Williams,

(30:44):
because it's been a lot of flashes of very exciting moments,
but mostly a lot of disappointment around it. You don't
think it's going to be any different this year. You
see more disappointment from Javante in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
I'm just trying to wrap my mind around, like why
I want to get excited about drafting Javonte Williams. Like
at every level we've seen him play at college level,
at the NFL level, it's always in a committee. Like
he's never really been like a guy, like, oh, we're
just gonna give all the touches to Javonte. He's gonna
be the guy. And ever since Sean Payton got to Denver,
all he's done is bring another running backs and like

(31:18):
use them. It's like he got joll Loom mcgoffin on
the field as an undrafted free agent. Last year he
brought in some maj p Ryan, So Javonte Williams, like
I do expect him to like be more efficient on
like a per touch basis per carry base, like last
year was horrible. It was getting he was coming off
the torn of Aclse like that would understand that is it?

Speaker 1 (31:34):
It was last year p Ryan because of the Aco
or because he doesn't believe in Javonte. It's hard to
know that answer.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Right, But also Okay, his yards were carried now goes
up to four point five versus three point five, Like
how much does that actually moved the needle for a
fantasy Like he needs volume And what I'm saying looking
at this backfield its current form is okay. Am I
excited about this offense led by bo Nicks? No like
I'm excited about Javonte like seeing a massive workload code. No,

(32:01):
Like I like object estimate a lot. Again, We're going
back to some of our player takes from the draft,
Like I think SME is really good, and if Javonte
falters in any way on early downs, like the estimate
is gonna eat into those carries because I think estimes
are really good early down running back. He's a big
running back. What if he gets an opportunity at the
goal line. Well, that's what you're hoping Williams gets from
last year. He had a massive red zone role last year,

(32:23):
and he just ran really bad when it came to touchdowns.
So if he hits this year, it's because he comes
in on that positive touchdown regression. But I'm not even
so sure that he has that red zone role. I
feel more confident that mcglofflin's going to be used more
as that pass catching running back and like bo Nicks again,
he's gonna be checking them all down a lot. So
it's possible that Jamonte still gets a lot of receptions
alongside McLoughlin. But I just find myself like, I'm not

(32:45):
excited about Chavante and that's kind of why I'm like,
I'd rather draft somebody else. And I get that his
price isn't like super like crazy, He's like in the
RB thirty range, but this is his last year on
the contract. Again, he wasn't drafted by the current regime,
or at least from Sean Payton's So we've seen this
with so many times, like Champaigne picks his guys that
he likes, and then he goes away from the guys
that he doesn't like. I'm not saying he doesn't like

(33:06):
Jamonte Williams, but like the fact that like a tweet
was like in the ether of like he may not
make the team. Like like again, that's not suggesting that's
going to happen, but it's like enough red flags to me.
It's like, I'll just let somebody else take Jamonte.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
It's interesting because Javonta and Eckler back to back right now,
RB thirty and RB thirty one, And if you just
wait one more round, you're looking at the much younger
Trey Benson Blake quorum grouping of guys. You're looking at
Chase Brown, You're looking at the Kendre Millers around even
after that. So really interesting. Uh, it's the timing is
everything quotient. I think that really pops up for this

(33:40):
discussion about these running backs that we're fading. Debro. I
know we got four names left on our list here,
let's go to another one. This one is a veteran,
another guy that people are gonna be very familiar with,
and you can make the case that Ezekiel Elliott is
walking into basically the same role he left two years ago.
And he was productive enough at the current where if

(34:00):
he's just gonna score a bunch of touchdowns, could you
get eight hundred and fifty yards and eight touchdowns at
a Zeke this year?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Well, all roads lead back to Julia McLoughlin Boys, and
all roads lead away from Ezekiel Elliott.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
I don't want any part of the man.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I think we're we're talking about Ezekiel Elliott and just
putting pigeonhole on him into he's going to be the
clear leader or the leader of this backfield in both
touches and getting all the.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Reds on work.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I think he was brought in to be like a
safety valve, like one if they swung a miss in
the NFL Draft and Jerry Jones open his mouth, and
that's what happened. Jonathan Brooks went ahead of where they
wanted to get him, and then I think the faith
in Ricodowdell is real, and I think the talent could
be real too, And that just leads me away from
Ezekiel Elliot where I know that at this juncture of

(34:48):
his career, he just doesn't have the juice anymore. He's
just not that guy, like outside of poaching, like short
porch touchdowns and like getting eight carries for twenty five
yards every single week. Like I'm sorry, Like I don't
want to go back to yester year's Matt Asiata.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
I'm good with that. I'm good with not going back
to that experiment.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Not have Matt Aciada on my Bengo cartoon.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I mean, that's basically who Ezekiel Elliott is at this
point of his career, man, And I just don't want
any part of it. Like forty thirty yards of a
contact perretent forty fifth and missed tackles force per atent Like, nah,
there's no part of that, Like.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
I would werther you account last year's stats being so
bad to the Patriots offense being so bad though, because
that was an offense that was incredibly predictable, incredibly inefficient,
could not move the chains at all, stacked boxes, they
knew they wanted to run the football. I mean it
is tough for an older running back to runder those circumstances.
The Dallas offense is much more wide open, So could

(35:42):
those metrics be a little bit heavy handed based upon
how miserable a New England was last year.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Heavy handed in the sense of maybe because he was
like bottom five, bottom six and everything we care about,
maybe he's only bottom ten.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Maybe Okay, well that's a higher there, you're a g Oh,
that's a little hot. I didn't want to soil the
name of Ezekiel Elliott with Matt assiaa. I don't think
that's fair to Zeke. And it's amazing too. I can't
imagine if Jonathan Brooks were a Cowboy what we'd be
talking about in terms of our expectation for the Cowboys

(36:18):
this year.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
But we can enjoy all the values.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
He's a panther. We could draw the value but still
be kind of like unhappy about it because he's a panther.
A couple more names to get to here, a guy
who had more touchdowns than pretty much anybody else last
year where he mostered. He is super cheap ericson on
a great offense. I know he's thirty two, but you're

(36:42):
just the discounts not enough for you to get excited
about him. You're still fading him regardless.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
In this ADP, well it's less about like his ADP,
but it's like they're just other running backs and players
I'd rather draft instead, because I I just can't believe
at the end of the day that he's going to
be there when it matters most Like, I just don't
believe that just based on his body of work, Like
he has been injury prone his entire NFL career and
last year again he burned me if I was drafting
Dolphins running backs, drafting Jeff Wilson everywhere, and it was

(37:08):
just the wrong veteran running back to draft and it
was most at that I mean, how can you run
hotter than this thirty two year old twenty plus touchdowns?
He's got more touchdowns last year that his entire NFL
career before then, Like, so something's got to give here, right,
Something's gonna regress. We talked about Jalen Waddle earlier this week.
Jalieball had four touchdowns. Reem Moster had twenty touchdowns plus, Like,

(37:31):
that's not gonna happen again. So look, I missed Moster
last year and is he still good? But you're talking
about Okay, Well now they have a chan and they
have Jalen right now too. Like, I just think that
you can't fall from the trap of just copying paste
and what Raheem Moster did last year and then trying
to like, Okay, we'll sliver off a little bit here,
and then he's at this value. It's like just for me,

(37:51):
It's like like I was not anywhere near this guy
heading into last year and was I wrong? Yeah, I
was wrong. But it doesn't mean that all the injury
can in the his red flags like they're still present
in this off I mean, the offensive line is not
necessarily super great in Miami. Again, I'm really excited about
a Chan. So if Ahan takes another step four, which
we see a lot from second year running backs, then
I think that's got to come at the expense of

(38:13):
a guy like Raheem Moster and he's thirty two years old,
Like someone's gonna give here in Miami. Back feel like
these two guys cannot score thirty touchdowns combined. Again, Like,
I don't think that's gonna happen. So who am I
going to bet against a Chan twenty two years old,
super explosive second year running back or the guy that's
thirty two that's scored more touchdowns last than he did
his entire NFL career before. Then, like, so that's my

(38:34):
mark and I get too again, similar to Kien Williams,
things like if he comes out Week one, it's like
the leading carry for the Dolphins, I'm gonna look back
an idiot, Like but at the end of the day,
like when we were playing mosterre and you're looking at
this from a season long perspective, like I don't think
most is gonna be there, and he would be the
number one sell high player for me, and conversely would
be a chan that I would go and try to
buy with Raheem Moster if he has an impressive Week one,

(38:55):
it's the long game.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I could see Jacobs and most at all having good septembers.
Forget week one. I could see him have a good
first months. It's are these guys going to be around
when we turn the page from October to November. That's
a real question. These guys multiple choice because they're going
right in a row eighty seven, eighty nine, ninety three, RB,
twenty seven, twenty eight, and twenty nine, respectively. Jonathan Brooks
where heem most are Tony Pollard, Tony Pollard another guy

(39:18):
running back on a dude team, Erickson A b or C.
Brooks or Moster or Pollard? Who do you want? I'll
take Pollard, You'll take Pollard, Debro Brooks, Brooks Brooks. That's
why I figure quickly, how was it gonna answer for you?

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Because I forget it's Brooks, and I think even if
you wanted to zoom out further Joeylake, we know Moster
it's going to be a committee back. Why take him
where he's going at RB twenty five when I can
wait and I can go with Tajy Spears, I can
go with Jaln Warren, I can go with other players. Okay,
we can quipple about the offensive complexion of that, but

(39:53):
still a committee back, and yet I can draft younger,
more explosive players later.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Why doing ericson why Pollard down year, new team, not
the greatest offense on paper? Why Pollard over Brooks? Just
out of curiosity? Well?

Speaker 3 (40:08):
I know is gonna play week one, like he's gonna
be on the field, and I look, Brooks is still
coming off an ac L injury. Like you talked about
Blake Corn and how his metrics weren't great his last year.
Well that's because he's coming off an ACL injury. Like
there are still especially and you're talking like redraft vers
best ball. It's different because if I need Brooks in
a redraft league, like I know, I have to be
ready that he's not ready week one for me to

(40:30):
play him. So and I'm not expecting him to just
come out of the gates in week one and be
a seventy five percent snapshare running back, whereas with Tony Pollard,
I could see that happening week one with the Titans.
So and again Tony Pollard like de Bro Like what
would you just hate Tony pod And now after you
ranked him Barbie one? Like, like how far has he
fallen for you? Like again you talked about how he's
coming off for coming off the broken leg. He was

(40:52):
really good in the second half of the year. Again,
he just ran really bad when it came to touchdowns.
Like I think Tony Pollard's a value overall, Like I'm
not trying to like erase like my entire memory of
Tony Potter before last year when obviously he was disappointing,
but his body work overall is still really good.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
So I'm not totally out on Tony Pollard.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
I do have him in this range, and I'm gonna
go back to a point you hit earlier. I'm gonna
use your words against you, Erickson. I'm playing the long team.
Kudo won a week seventeen, a week eighteen. I know
Tajay Spears is not going away. Brooks could be just
the guy when we get to week sixteen through week
eighteen when we need it most.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
So you'd rank them differently in best Ball versus Redraft.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I mean, I think like the conversation is there for both.
Like you talked about the longevity of you know, knowing
who's going to be there with knocking down Raheem Mostard Brooks.
We think he's gonna play, He's gonna be more strengthened
and get more of the work in the back half
of the season.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Right, So I think the conversation is.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
There in both formats for Brooks over Poward, because Spears
is really good man, he's effishent as hell. He's not
going away. He's going to be a thorn in his side.
Like the entire season, good debate. I like this, this
is good stuff. Back and forth, one name remaining for
each of you. De bro Let's talk about a crowded
backfield with the Chargers and Gus Edwards, right, now the
most expensive of those three, and you're fading him simply

(42:07):
based on that or because of the presence of Vidal
or JK.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Dobbins.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I'm fading him because I'm sorry, but the tires on
the bus are flat.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
It's just wheels on the bus. Don't go round and round.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
No, they go flump plump, plump, plump, plump, plump plum.
That's all they do.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
That's all they do. I mean, Gus lived off the
touchdowns last year. You could say he's the goal line back.
It's the same exact case of why people are drafting
Ezekiel Elliott, except it's the Chargers. This is Gus Edwards, Like, oh,
we get touchdowns, he scores touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
I'm going with explosion. I'm going with youth.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
I'm going with a player that can play all three
downs if needed or called upon. I'm going Cabani Videll
easily in that backfield. I don't even know if JK.
Dobbins makes the freaking team. I don't know if Gus
Edwards is even getting.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
He's making a team.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I don't know, because Dobbins is I just did a
show with Fits and ericson if you miss it, go
back and watch it on the YouTube channel or you
get listened to wherever you get your podcasts with Fantasy
pros uh. And there was a love letter from Andrew
Rixson JK. Dobbins.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
So Dobbins is a warrior.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
He could be a warrior anyway, Like I'm just trying
to learn from from previous seasons.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Cam Akers, Okay, that that is not good.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
But Greg Roman doesn't hate JK. Dobbins as much as
Sean fa Hayes.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
That's fair difference, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
There's truth there, but that this all also all pats
lead away from Gus Edwards. You're talking about Dobbins. I'm
talking about Vadell. None of us are talking about Gus Edwards.
I don't want the supposed goal line.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Bat's fair.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
That can't break tackles.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Fair enough, all right, One more remaining here, another one
that kind of came out of nowhere. Last year. You
talk about a guy that they were Fantasy football circles
that kept trying to make this guy happen in Buffalo,
and it never happened. Then all of a sudden, he
ends up on the depth chart, number two behind Jonathan Taylor.
In Indianapolis, Taylor goes down the count and Zach Moss,
of all people, is just running the table and looking great. Now,

(44:04):
that was in Indianapolis. He's going to a good offense
in Cincinnati now. But again, same thing, running back in
a different place, third team in three years, Andrew Erickson,
why are you fading Zach Moss?

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I just think that Zach Moss is the classic case
of a dead zone running back where we're drafting him
because he looks like the projected starting running back for
the Cincinnati Bengals, a good offense, high powered offense. Maybe
he's getting goal line opportunities, but I just don't believe
in the talent of Zack Moss. If Jonathan Taylor doesn't
suffer those injuries both in two and twenty twenty three,

(44:36):
we would never have seen Zach Moss get on the field.
It reminds you a lot of Alexander Madison situation, where
we were never vying for Okay, gotta get Madison on
the field. We got to take Dalvin Cook off the
field to get Madison more touches. That was never the case.
It was Alexander Madison took advantage of opportunities. He got
whenever Dalvin Cook missed time. I think that's kind of
what Zach Moss has done. He's taken advantage of whenever
Jonathan Taylor has missed time over the past two seasons.

(44:59):
So again, if I have to give him his flowers,
it would be for those particular circumstances. But they had
no choice last year but to give to Moss again.
Dion Jackson was horrible in week one. Evan hol was
put on inturrepreserved after Week one, so he was really
the only running back that had left. And I've just
seen this story play out so many times before, where
you're chasing this projected volume and a high powered offense.
For last year, Zach Moss was RB sixty eight and

(45:21):
ADP like someone that we were looking at as a
journeyman running back. He was hard. He was competing in
Buffalo his entire career there with Devin Singletary for touches,
and Devin Singletary was constantly beating him out. Are we
excited about Devin Singletary as a running back talent? Not
necessarily so for those reasons. I just think that Zach
Moss I think he's overrated as the Bengals running back,

(45:41):
I'd rather go after Chase Brown, who I think is
the more explosive of the two guys, and I think
he's going to be the preferred pass catcher out of
the bunch in Cincinnati, So could be I think Moss
has to run hot with touchdowns, and for me, I'm
just going to bet on the Joe Burrow and Jamar
Chase touchdown connection being what's going to drive those Bengals
points in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
If you're this conversation and it's very clear about some
of these running backs in that range that are super dangerous,
dead zone whatever you want to call it, this is
why that hero RB strategy really works for me in
twenty twenty four, because I'm just gonna take the discounted
Derrick Henry is the tenth running back overall who's gonna
get fed all day long and score a million touchdowns
and catch thirty balls and I won't care because I'll

(46:19):
have fourteen hundred rushing yards and the fifteen tds and
that works for me. The rest. I can figure out
RB two later on. But who are you fading in
twenty twenty four at the running back position? Drop your
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with your life? Nothing? Boys, great stuff as always, some
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