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August 13, 2025 • 58 mins

Court is now in session! Join Judge Joe Pisapia and Attorneys Pat Fitzmaurice and Terrell Furman Jr. as they present their arguments for and against these players and draft strategies in your 2025 fantasy football leagues!

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Drake Maye (QB - NE) - 0:03:27
Jerome Ford (RB - CLE) - 0:12:10
Early TE vs. Late TE - 0:23:01
Early QB vs. Late QB - 0:34:31
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Early QB vs. Late QB (cont.) - 0:37:30
Hero RB vs. Zero RB - 0:46:07
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Hero RB vs. Zero RB (cont.) - 0:50:33
Outro - 0:57:26

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. Here comes the judge.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Baby, it's Fantasy Football Draft Court yet again, another episode
here of Judge Joey and to help us with the
debates today Terrell Furman Jr. And by Patty Cakes Pat
fitz Morris. We're gonna be talking about a quarterback, a
running back today and also we're gonna talk about some
draft strategies. Why because we're a show of the people.
This courtroom is here to serve the law and order

(00:30):
and most importantly, the will of the people and the
people who have been asking, hey, will you debate some
draft strategies? And guess what, Judge Joey hears you. He
wants to help you, and we're gonna help you today again.
Terrell Ferman Junior. Is gonna defend the ECR. Pat fitz
Morris has some aggressive rankings.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
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have brought your documents to court. I hope you have

(02:08):
practiced your arguments. Terrell Furman Junior. It is good to
see you back in the courtroom. You're defending once again
the ECR. You're the public defender around here, which I like,
do you find pressure here defending the analysts that you
may or may not even know what their takes are?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Not on my salary, I don't feel any pressure right.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Maybe if I had a little bit of bucks up
in here, then I might feel a little bit more pressure,
But no, I feel cool, calm, relax because I looked
at the list and I was like, really, Pat, really
like this feels like it's a little bit too easy
for me.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Pat fitz Morris, those are fighting words a very confident
Torell Firman Jr. But then again, isn't he always so?

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Pat?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
You know, you've planned the flag on a couple of
players here, including a quarterback that we're gonna talk about,
and we're gonna talk about super Flex today, We're gonna
talk about zero vers hero RB. So all the comments
that you've been itch and a half we're going to
have here today. Pat How do you feel about defending
some theoretical strategies today as opposed to just players.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Yeah, I feel good, you know, I mean, Terrell's talking
about the public defenders don't make all that much money.
But you know, I'm my firm, I'm like up for
partner here, so I'm feeling good about things, and there's
a little pressure. So let's go.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Well, look, you've made your money and you made your
bones in this business by trampling on Andrew Rickson. So
we'll see if Todel Ferman Junior is as much of
a doormat. Because guess what Fantasy Football Draft court is
officially in session. Judge Joey is the Judge Joey an
executioner around these parts. Let's start here with a quarterback.

(03:42):
Drake May, my quarterback of my beloved New England Patriots,
looked pretty good here early on. A lot of good
buzz going around, a lot of Pop Douglas talk, a
lot of ooh, Stefan Diggs looks healthy, a lot of
oh maybe maybe Kyle Williams is going to be a
great guy in the second half of the season. Of
positive things going around Drake May, and guess who's drinking

(04:03):
the kool aid, Pat fitz Morris, it's red, white and
blue flavor.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
That's right. That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Not exactly sure what that means, but I imagine some
sort of blue raspberry and some cherry mixed in there.
But we have got Drake May at QB nine on
Fitz's rankings. But Terrell Ferman JUNR the ECR is a
little bit more reserved. We're looking at a QB fifteen
ranking right on the fringe, a guy that you could
draft in deeper single quarterback leagues or even as a

(04:28):
second quarterback if you really wanted to have some upside there.
There's some rushing equity when it comes to Drake May.
We all know that, but we really don't know how
good he could be because he was in an offense
led by a bunch of jabbronis last year. And now
he's got some help on the offensive line. He's got
some help there with an offensive coordinator. So let's start
here with Pat fitz Morris. I want you to go

(04:50):
out there and I want you to talk to me,
Pat about this aggressive ranking of Drake May in the
top ten. Why do you think people should be drafting
him that early.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Because in twenty twenty four, the skeleton key at the
quarterback position was Jaden Daniels, the guy who was affordable
but gave us high end QB one upside, And this
year I think Drake May is the skeleton key at quarterback.
And as a rookie, May started twelve games, left one
of them early in the second quarter with a concussion,

(05:22):
and in meaningless Week eighteen he played three snaps before
getting pulled. The other ten starts, Drake May averaged seventeen
point four Fantasy points per game, which would rank QB
thirteen among quarterbacks who made more than one start. Now,
if we exclude that Week eighteen game where May got
pulled after one series, he averaged thirty six point three
rushing yards per start. That projects to six hundred and

(05:45):
sixteen rushing yards over a full season. But I think
there's more meat on the bone with regard to Drake
May's rushing potential. Like nearly all of his rushing yardage
came on scrambles. He had a one designed run last year,
just one, and Alex Van Pelt, who was the Patriots
offensive coordinator last year, said he intentionally limited design runs

(06:06):
for me in order to protect him, and I totally
get that. But now Josh McDaniels is calling the plays.
And when we last saw McDaniels paired with a mobile quarterback,
it was Cam Newton in twenty twenty and there were
a lot of design runs that year for Cam and
he ran for twelve touchdowns and last year May had
two touchdown runs. But when he was playing at North

(06:28):
Carolina he had sixteen touchdown runs in twenty six starts.
And as a sophomore, May had six hundred ninety eight
rushing yards in fourteen games. College quarterbacks get sackyardage deducted
from their rushing total. May lost about two hundred yards
in sacks that year, so he was really closer to
nine hundred rushing yards in fourteen games. Like this dude

(06:49):
has big time rushing upside, and he was a competent
passer last year even though he had a terrible offensive
line in terrible wide receivers. So with that high end
rushing side ala Jayden and Daniels and some intriguing passing upside,
tons of potential here he could absolutely finish as a
high end quarterback one and that's why I've got him

(07:10):
ranked inside the top ten.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
All right, a very aggressive ranking there for Pat fitz Morris,
Trell Furman. Let's talk about this because Pat makes a
good case here. The mobility of one Drake May obviously
a big deal. Maybe some more design runs. So he's
making a motion here in my courtroom for the Drake
May motion. But it doesn't feel like you necessarily feel

(07:32):
like that motion is worthy of a top ten or
even a QB one pick here. So let's talk about
this here, Treell Furman, give me your take here on
why the ECR and the conservative approach is the best
one when it comes to Drake May.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Oh, well, because one has him inside the top ten
and one doesn't. This is a lot of lot of
a lot of Drake May is his ceiling. This is
what we're looking at him from his ceiling. This is
what's gonna go on on when hey, he's has the
vision and he's able to do everything he can do,
throwing the football, getting it to Stefan Diggs and all

(08:07):
these options. It is the upside of the rushing that
he can be one of those high volume rushers. But
then you also have to go back and look at
that's the clear ceiling. There's a bottoming out floor that
could happen with Drake May here where he still has
a rough offensive line like he did last year, And
it could be even though they have gotten different pieces,

(08:29):
not necessarily the cohesion that they're looking for. As of
right now, it looks like they're projecting two rookies with
Will Campbell and their third round pick Wilson on the
other side of that left side of that line, and
two rookies trying to figure out that communication on that
side of the line can really really be something that
hinders an offensive line, especially on that side. So I
think that they're gonna get a lot of issues where

(08:50):
he's gonna get sacked. He got sacked in the preseason
game already. I think he's gonna get rattled. Is gonna
be some self more slump issues here for Drake May
where I think yes, is he gonna have top ten weeks? Absolutely?
Do I think he's going to keep it up over
the course of the whole season. Absolutely not. So I
had to defend the ECR here.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Drake May obviously not a guy that you have to
drop into your plans a QB one. But to Pat's point,
you know, we saw Jayden Daniels kind of run that
same game last year and end up being a league winner.
So I'm gonna put it to the people here. It
is your opportunity to go ahead and make your voice heard.
So I want you to do that right now. So

(09:29):
let's put up the poll. Are you drafting Drake May
here inside the top ten or you're letting him float?
There is maybe a last round kind of guy. The
jury will now deliberate, And I gotta say, Terrell Furman,
I think there's upside. I think you recognize that, and
I think as the jury does their deliberation here, I
think the big question here is what also do you

(09:50):
think about the pieces surrounding him, not just the new
slash old offensive coordinator, but the health of Stefan Diggs,
that the explosiveness of Tree Henderson. There's certainly a lot
here that one could be excited about. However, none of
it's proven in a court of law quite yet, Terrell,
do you think that's the most important thing when it
comes to that Drake May value that it just hasn't

(10:12):
been proven.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah, And I mean that's the funny fantasy football sometimes
is calling your shot and saying, hey, no, this is
gonna be a year I don't need to see it
before because I know it's gonna happen this year. But
for me, it's a lot of other pieces that I
think a lot of people are considering, especially with the
health of that offensive line, that yes, they have different
pieces in there, but if it's still just as bad

(10:34):
as it was last year, it's gonna be really hard
for anybody's succeed.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
All right, let's take a look at the tail of
the tape. Seth just got us the results fifty six percent.
Very close, gentlemen, very close. They say that they are
going to draft Drake may lock it up, draft him
the ECR two conservative and look the conservative Terrell Furman

(10:58):
Junior argument unfortunately not in to defend Terrell. Does this
decision surprise you here or do you think people just
love to be ahead of the curve with the you know,
the up and coming young quarterback and buying all the hype.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
No, it's not surprising.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
A lot of people want to like the Patriots this year,
and I realized that I'm one of the few that
it's not as high on the Patriots as everybody else.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
They'll be okay, So sure.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I will allow it because I understand as a Giants fan,
you know, you have certain history with the Patriots where
you feel a certain way, and rightfully so maybe you
don't think enough of that organization having lost a couple
Super Bowls. Pat fitz Morris, how does it feel to
be the victor here in this first decision of five today?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah? Pretty good.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
It was a close, hard contested case. But you know,
like Drake May has been kind of a flagplant guy
for me, so it does feel especially good to win this.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
All right.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I love the comments here, everybody having a good time
here at my expense, which is fine because I have
no shame. I think we've realized this. If you haven't
realized now by watching me do this show every week
with this wig and this get up, that I have
very little.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Shame, then you haven't been paying attention.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Make sure you subscribe for more Fantasy pros and more
courtroom decisions that we're gonna have here on the program.
And our next decision is gonna be made about a
running back. That's right, Fantasy Court is now in session again,
this time talk about a running back in a very
precarious situation, This situation that the running back is in
is in Cleveland, Ohio, and oh my oh, it's not

(12:30):
looking too good for some of these guys like quin
Shawn Judkins.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
And we got Samson.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
In this backfield, we got five quarterbacks, which means we
really have no quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
It's a hot mess. I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
But perhaps in that mess, as we alluded to earlier,
when you're nuzzling through the trash like some dogs want
to do in my house, sometimes every now and then,
you might find something useful in that trash. And we're
gonna debate whether or not Jerome Ford is useful. So
let's bring Jerome Ford up on the witness stand and
let's make it case here for Jerome Ford. Now taking

(13:02):
a look at the tail of the tape, here we
have Pat fitz Morris at RB thirty nine, So looking
at him as a potential flex kind of guy, feeling
like that maybe you can be in that flex conversation.
Maybe you are the guy you know the offense. You've
been here and you haven't gotten arrested yet. Maybe some
other guys from this backfield might end up in my
courtroom a little bit later on in.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
The season, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
But Terrell Firman Junior, you're the guy who's gonna defend
here the expert consensus ranking of forty seven. So Jerome
Ford persona non grata when it comes to the people.
So Terrell, this time, I want you to take the
floor first, defend the ECR. Talk to me about why
it's better to either stay away from this backfield or
just stay away from Jerome Ford all together, because this
situation certainly is murky. The court is now in session

(13:49):
for you, Terrell.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
I mean, I don't even feel like a defender here.
I feel like a prosecutor here. And I feel like
Pat is defending Jerome Ford. Because nobody's defending Jerome Ford,
not even the Browns. Because the Browns went and took
Quinn Shawn Jukins in the second round and Dylan Samson
in the fourth round. Nobody wants Jerome Ford. They haven't
believed in him in this whole two year run. I

(14:11):
think that we go back and they're like, oh, two
years ago, Jerome Ford was all good. It was healthy,
the offensive line was healthy. He had this good season,
but you gotta look, they still didn't trust him with
the snap count. He only played seventy percent of snaps
once that entire season, and that was his best season.
And so in a Jerome Ford that's now two years older,
he's been battling injuries last year, he's battling an injury

(14:33):
again this year. And Dylan Samson looks amazing. He looks
like a running back that they drafted him to have
that second down skill set to take over the passing role.
And unfortunately quin Shawn Jukins got himself in trouble and
now his status is up in the air. But what
if he plays? But what if he plays? You can't

(14:54):
even play Jerome Ford at all in most formats if
it's the Judkins and sam show. So I want nothing
to do with Jerome fod this year. The Browns clearly
want nothing to do with room for but they're just
stuck with them.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I'd like to throw this whole case out because I
want nothing at all to do with the Browns backfield.
I want very little to do with the Browns period.
I keep taking some late shots on Cedric Tillman because
I liked him in college and I thought he would
be a guy, and then last year he kind of
was a guy before he got hurt. So that's about
the only Browns player that seems to find his way
onto my rosters. But Pa fitz Morris, your ranking almost

(15:29):
suggests that it is somebody worth drafting, right, He's not
a guy in the forties. Is the guy in the
thirties at RB, And the guys in the thirties at
RB do get some play here in.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Our fantasy leagues.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
So let's talk about Jerome Ford. Let's write a script
here where Quinn Shawn Judkins and Dylan Sampson and the
rookies don't impact this backfield the way maybe Cleveland had hoped,
or the way fantasy managers hoped, but instead Jerome Ford
ends up being kind of the default guy by default.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Well, you're honor, what if you can draft starting NFL
running back as a low end RB four and there
is a very good chance that Quinnhawn Judkins doesn't play
this season, Like the Browns are not even negotiating with
him at this point, And it's kind of understandable why
the Browns are being cautious with a player who stands

(16:14):
accused of mistreating a woman. Like the franchise dug itself
in an enormous hole by committing itself to Deshaun Watson,
So extra caution warranted here for the Cleveland Browns. If
Judkins doesn't play, Jerome Ford and Dylan Sampson are the
top two running backs in Cleveland. I fully acknowledge that
Sampson could end up being the more valuable of the two.

(16:35):
I really liked what he put on tape at Tennessee,
But it is really hard to judge players from Tennessee
because Josh Heipel's offensive system is so unconventional, so unlike
anything we see in the NFL, and a lot of
people like Jalen Wright coming out of Tennessee a year ago,
and he has shown us nothing at the NFL level yet.
Now Ford, on the other hand, has been pretty good

(16:56):
whenever he's gotten an opportunity. He's versatile, he can run,
he can catch, and his big advantage over Dylan Sampson
right now is his familiarity with Kevin Stefanski's system. And
we saw Jerome Ford average five point four yards per
carry last year. I'll be it in limited dosage dosages, dosages,

(17:18):
and over the last two.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Years, I am to see your confusion about the pluralization
of the word dosage. I believe it is dosages and
not dosage high but sustained.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
You may continue, thank you.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
And eighty one catches for Jerome Ford over the last
two years, so I think there is Should he get
a starting opportunity? He is a guy you can play
at least as a flex every week and start him
every week.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
All right, So let's put it to the jury. Now
you've heard the arguments. We're going to continue to make
some more. So let's get the poll up. This is
where you get to vote. This is why this is
such a fun show. You get to decide the end
of the day as someone we're drafting. Now, he's a
cheap running back and I like cheap running backs. Judge
Joey is a fan, especially the big wide receiver build
guys like me and the public defender here today, Terrell

(18:10):
Firman Junior, also a big wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Bro Right, Am I right? Torell? You feel me?

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
All right?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
So let's talk about this a little bit. Let's dig
a little deeper. Patty, you are the dynasty guy. Do
you think from a talent standpoint that Samson should be
the pivot point here? Did you see enough out of
him in college to say, hey, you know what, we
know what your room for it is. Let's find out
what Samson is and maybe it does go his way.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
I mean, realistically, I think they're going to be used together,
whether it's in a fifty to fifty split a sixty
forty split. I think we're going to see both guys.
But you know, I think Sampson probably has the less
wiggle room, less leash being the new guy, and you know,

(18:54):
if he we'll see how he takes to the NFL again.
It's a tough transition from the Josh Hipel says. More
running backs always have a lot of room to run
because of the way Hypel likes to spread them out
and always going against light boxes. It's not the same thing,
especially when you're in the AFC North and there's some
pretty good defenses you're going against.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Dreill Furman Jr. I have to say, Patty does make
a really interesting argument too, talking about, you know, this
organization and why this issue is so important here to
this organization, having had to go through all the drama
with Deshaun Watson already, it just feels like it's something
that Cleveland Brown's you know, there's only so many kind
of hits he can take here and they might have

(19:37):
to just eat this one when it comes to Quinn
Jawn Judkins, like they might just have to say, you
know what, you know, we can't do this. The organization
needs such an overhaul. From a public perception standpoint, you
think perception at the end of the day ends up
delivering this backfield to Jerome Ford. Once again, I keep
saying by default, but when you got a rookie and
it wasn't the rookie you drafted to lead the backfield,

(19:58):
it does feel like Jerome.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Ford could possibly be that guy.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
At the end of the day, he ends up getting
maybe the sixty forty at the very least, or as
Pat said, you know, working in the passing game, which
from fancy perspective is very useful.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
I don't think the passing game is just gonna get
to him. I think that at that point it's gonna
be the talent of the player, and I think Dylis Sampson,
the talent of the player is gonna show and that
in that moment. But Jerome Ford, I could see him
being hey, early down back will give him some of
the major work, and that's when he sees the heavier boxes,
and maybe it's a thing where Sampson comes in and
he's getting lighter boxes, so he's having more explosive plays.

(20:31):
He's getting really really active in the passing game, and
that's how his fantasy worth is determined.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
It.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
But I think both of these guys whicheveryone pops is
going to be a nice little flex option.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
All right, before we get to the decision, it is
official here, I have seen it. I want to remind
everybody this is not the only place we're live. No, no,
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(21:01):
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(21:23):
Because the twitch is still new and still growing. So
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Fantasy pros, that's the place to be on Twitch five
days a week. All right, let's get after it here.
Let's take a look at the tail of the tape.
This one is a very decisive decision here. This is
no room for clouds or questions. Seventy three percent have

(21:47):
weighed in on the side of no, we are not
drafting Jerome Ford.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
The case is dismissed.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
He is guilty of being mediocre and the Browns of
guilty of being a terrible organization. Yet again, they just
can't get out of their own way. Pat, this was
an uphill battle for you. I assume you're not super surprised,
but despite the will of the people here, are you
gonna have some Jerome Ford shares?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Tell the truth?

Speaker 5 (22:11):
Be honest, I am, and I you know, if the
people would rather spend that twelfth round draft pick on
Romeo Dubbs or check o' konkwall.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Can you do, Tarrell Furman your first win of the day.
How does it feel to be victorious?

Speaker 3 (22:26):
No, it feels very good. Feels very good.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
These are the type of wins that move you from
the defender's office today DA's office.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
So I'm very happy.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
There you go. I always knew Terrell Furman Junior was
some upwardly mobile. Next thing you know, he's gonna be
running from mayor and then governor and all the other
and then all the scandals will come out. But for now,
it's a win, and a win is a win here
in fantasy draft court, So Jerome Ford, don't draft him,
and I recommend stay away from the Browns as much
as you can. Yeah, maybe a little Jerry Judy, maybe

(22:54):
a little Centric Tilman once in a while, David and
Joku if you're feeling spicy, But other than that, I
don't know, Madam super excited about the offensive ecosystem of
the Cleveland Browns. We're gonna turn our attentions now to
another fantasy debate, but this time it's not about players. No, No,
we're gonna talk about strategy. And the first tridger we're
gonna talk about is whether you're going great or late

(23:17):
at the tight end position. And Terrell Ferman Junior and
Pat fitz Morris.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Are going to debate this. So Pat, I have handed
you the.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Side of the early tight end, the stars, the brock Bauers,
the Trey McBride's dare I say, the George Kittles even
and then there's the late tight ends. There's some good
values there. We've got some rookies like Tyler Warren and
Colson Lovelin now working on a Ben Johnson offense. Not
to mention there's also some really good guys sitting out
there too. We've got Jake Ferguson, We've got craft, we

(23:46):
got a lot of late tight ends. Hell, I think
even Mark Andrews goes too late. So Terrell Furman's's gonna
take the other side of this debate. Pat fitz Morris,
we'll start with you. Obviously, when you build a roster
with an early tight end, sometimes it doesn't quite the
way the other rosters do, right, because you're missing out
on some one of those big running backs, one of
those big wide receivers in that second or maybe even
third round. So sell me on why that's a good decision.

(24:10):
When it comes to guys like Brock, Bowers and McBride
to jump in the pool with two feet on the
early great tight ends in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Well, I'd like the fine members of the jury to
consider Exhibit A and Exhibit B, which are the projections
for Brock, Powers and Tyler Warren. Note that it's one
hundred and some receptions versus fifty some receptions, and eleven
hundred some yards versus six hundred some yards. Like, that's
a big difference and a big positional advantage if you invest.

(24:41):
And I know there's some people and I've even sort
of tried to make the case myself this year that
you can get something you like at a lot of
different price points at tight end in the fantasy market.
But we've thought that before, and thought that the mid
tier and dumpster diving approach to tight end might work.

(25:03):
And that is the reason that Travis Kelcey was being
considered as a possible late first round pick for many years,
because a lot of people would go that mid range
tight end route and be bitterly disappointed in what they found.
And you look at what's available at the mid range
level this year, there's an aging Mark Andrews There's David

(25:26):
Nijoku who might be dealing with questionable quarterback issues. There's
Evan Ingram who has been wildly inconsistent and injury prone
throughout his career. Tucker Craft who may or may not
be something. So there's a lot of uncertainty. Yet again
in that mid range tight end market, whereas you've got

(25:47):
like three elite tight ends with Brock Bauers and Trey
McBride and George Kittle, who can just give you such
a massive positional advantage. I think that's especially important if
you play in a smaller league like a ten team.
It really helps if you differentiate yourself in those smaller
league at the leagues at the onesie positions quarterback and

(26:07):
tight end. So I do think there is a big
advantage to investing heavily at the tight end position.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Well, look, there is a distinct advantage, right, especially with
a guy like Brock Bowers. Now, trade McBride didn't have
a lot of touchdowns last year, but touchdowns, as Derek
Brown likes to point out, aren't sticky, which is a
gross way to think about it, but it's Derek Brown,
So what do you want. Then you've got guys like
brock Bauers, who you know, arguably this year playing with
the best quarterback he's played with, right. I mean, certainly

(26:34):
last year's quarterback play with Vegas was not great. So
a distinct advantage there on those guys because they will
perform like a wide receiver too, or maybe even greater.
And brock Bowers, I mean, this guy could be the
limit for this kid. He's a special talent. But Terrell,
it's not the only place there's talent. And again, from
a roster construction standpoint, sometimes the late tight end can
be very interesting. I agree with Pat's sentiment, and he

(26:56):
kind of slipped it in there, which is, if you're
paying attention, that middle tight end and sometimes is the
tricky spot, that's the dangerous spot unless you really are
honing in on one guy that you really think is
above that tier. But Terrell, make a case for the
late tier, especially this year with the way the prize
pool looks like at tight end. Talk to me about
the late tight ends and why people should be looking

(27:16):
at that as a viable strategy this season.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
I mean, if you looked at brock bauers fantasy projection
last year and what it was, it was nowhere near
where he finished, and how good he was, and because
of the talent of the player and how good he was,
and the rookie, you didn't know what happened, Colston Lovelin,
Tyler Warren, you don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
These players could absolutely pop.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Tyler Warren looks amazing in camping by all indications, is
going to get a lot of targets this year. But
then you have those veteran players that are just down
there at the bottom where you can get a positional
advantage in your third wide receiver spot, in a second
RB spot somewhere else by drafting up there and snagging

(27:57):
Hunter Henry, Hunter Henry in the late ends of drafts.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
All the time, Hunter.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Henry goes in the back end of drafts, and then
you look up and he's a top thirteen tight end.
And so it's all the positional advantage. You look at
the teams over the course of the season that we
stream tight ends against that you could have a big
tight end day and you could be picking somebody up
off the waiver wire, going up against the Panthers last season,
who were second and tight end fantasy points per game,

(28:25):
the Bengals, who were first tight end Fantasy points per game.
So yeah, I think that there's other options to kind
of get that positional advantage that you want where you
can compete with the guys. No you don't have Brock Bowers.
No you don't have Trey McBride. No you don't have
George Kittle. It's only one of those. But you can
compete and put yourself very close into the tier with
some good strategy streaming and playing around with the late

(28:48):
tight ends on the waiver wire.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
All right, the gentlemen here have made their case for
the great or the late tight end strategy. But again,
after all, it's the people who decide around court, so it's.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Not the people's court.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Still judge Joey around these parts, still Fantasy Draft Court.
But I want to hear from the people. So now
is the time to vote. Do you want to go
great tight end, you want to be aggressive there with
the big stars, or do you want to take some
shots some of the rookies or some of the guys
are getting underlooked, overlooked, side looked, whatever kind of looked.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Hoodwinked, bamboozled, any of the above.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I want to know, So make sure you go and
vote in the poll right now, and that's why you're
watching us live on the YouTube channel while we debate this.
Let's talk about some of these guys here, because haf
fitz Morris, I mean, one of your favorite things to
do from some of these drafts that I've been in
with you is throwing darts at Kyle Pitts tight end
sixteen in the ECR right now. So I know, I
kind of put you in the spot where you had
to defend the great tight end strategy, and it is

(29:44):
a viable one, but it feels like, deep down, you're
a guy that likes to, you know, be the smartest
one in the room, and you know, maybe you're playing
around there with our psyche a little. Do you think
that maybe deep down Papwitz Morris is really a late
tight end kind of guy.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
I can be a times Joe. I don't mind a
good tight end dumpster dive, and Kyle Kyle Pitts does.
Still like I'm one of the few guys who hasn't
waived the white flag on Kyle Pitts. He's still only
twenty four and this is the first Like he played
his first NFL game at age twenty and he went

(30:20):
on to have the first one thousand yard season by
rookie tight end since Mike Ditka sixty years earlier, and
he's still only twenty four. Yeah, and he's the former
number four overall pick. Andy has a plausible path to
being the number two target in that offense behind Drake London,
because you know, normally I'd say Darnell Mooney is probably

(30:42):
the favorite, but Darnell Mooney is a bum shoulder right now,
So like, I think there's a path. I think Michael
Pennix is a better quarterback than Kirk Cousins was. I
would not be surprised if we saw the long awaited
Kyle Pitts encore to that one thousand yard rookie season

(31:02):
well after the fact, and well after he's burned a
lot of fantasy managers and built up a lot of
scar tissue for some people.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Terrell.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Obviously, the strategy is malleable, which is a big word.
If you don't know it, I want everybody out there
to look it up. But Terrell knows it because he's
a smart guy. Terrell, if it's a ten team league,
are you more apt to maybe dance with Brock Bauers
or trade McBride, right because the supply and demand is
a little bit different, right, you can afford if it's
a two wide receiver ten person league, all of a

(31:31):
sudden the dynamic changes, or if it's a tight end premium.
Are you somebody that goes, hey, not only do I
want to get a tight end, I want to get
the best tight end I possibly can.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
So does the.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
League dictate a little of the strategy to you?

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Absolutely, a ten team league, I'm definitely looking for the
early tight end, and I will take one of the
Bowers or the Laporta or you know, all these early
tight ends that you typically pay up for. Those are
somebody that I would consider, just because, yeah, it is
a smaller pool, and I know that I'm one hundred
percent want that positional That's when I look at the points,
and I want that positional points advantage of every given week,

(32:04):
the probably is probably a top ten tight end in
the starting lineup of somebody's lineup.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
So I just want the best one of those.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
All right, let the record show judge Joey hates tight
end premium leagues.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
It's stupid.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
What are we doing here? What We'll take the best
couple of tight ends and just make them better. Is
that what we're trying to do? Like, why do we
have to do this? In fact, if anything, we should
move to the new flex league strategy, which this year
we're playing Jake Seally's league, which is the Expert League
where it's a super flex, but the other flex spot
is there. However, you don't have to play a tight end.

(32:37):
The other spot has now become tight end slash wide receiver,
which really kind of opens up things for debate and
was interesting to watch how that little change there. Again,
if you're going to change something, make it easier, not harder.
Don't make things have artificial value. Don't play two kickers
or have weird kicker scoring or weird tight end scoring.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
I hate it.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
It's for people who aren't good at fantasy trying to
game the system. He aim the system in my courtroom.
You sit down, dump trying to game the system. All Right,
the results are in. I gotta say it's tight tighter
than I thought it would be. Fifty five percent. That
is the percentage of people that are going to be
waiting on tight end. So late tight end is the winner.

(33:17):
So avoid draft to those big boys a tight end
because that price tag might hurt your roster later on
in the draft. So cases closed here on this one.
We're taking shots a tight end twenty twenty five. Again,
it's circumstantial evidence, as Terrell even admitted when he was
defending the late tight end strategy. Sometimes you can do

(33:38):
it ten team leagues tight end premium, which is dumb
or whatever. That's when you can go ahead and make that.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Day and it's the best thing, like one or the other.
Don't be in the middle that. It doesn't matter if
you like the great tight end, if you like the
late tight end, like is both cool, but just don't
be stuck in the middle.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
You know what I like, Pat, I like the middle
tight end late. I like when TJ. Hawkinson falls in
a draft or Mark Andrews slips a couple rounds too far.
That to me is my late tight end. It's the
guys that I like in the middle. I don't want
to pay the middle price. Evan Ingram another one of
those guys. So again, don't pay costs for those guys.
And that, my friends, is a pathway to victory in

(34:16):
twenty twenty five. So we're closing the book right now
on the tight end debate and we're gonna have more
debates here on the fans Bros.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
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Speaker 2 (34:25):
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Let's get to the next one here. This time it's
late or great qb ah Late round QB a famous
strategy employed for years and years. But man oh man,
some of those special quarterbacks, the Lamar's, the Josh Allens,

(34:48):
the Jaden Daniels, the guys with that rushing equity so
damn sexy, hard to get away from because those guys
win you weeks. That's what fantasy football is about. Guys
who move the needle, Guys who win you weeks. There's
only so many of them, but you gotta pay for them.
And the problem is, just like with the tight end,
sometimes you look at the roster and go ooh, I
don't love it. I'm missing out some wide receiver depth
of missing out some running backs. Again, depending on the

(35:09):
size of your league, it's a little easier to maneuver
this strategy. So this time around, FITZI is going to
take the position of the late Qbterrell's going to take
the position of the early QB the Studs and Terrell,
since you won the last one, I'm going to give
you the floor here. Talk to me about why and
more importantly, when you pull the trigger on the big
time qbs who move the needle in fantasy football?

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Oh, I mean, have you seen the meme of where
it's just like Patrick behind the snow the snow mound
and he's just throwing and it's like Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow,
that simple. It's that simple, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen.
Just put him in the lineup and you know they're
going to be great. You know that you're going to
alleviate the pressure if you're weak.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
In some areas.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Maybe you're playing a lineup where you feel or you're
starting a scene where, hey, you're taking some shots at
running where maybe you're taking some shots to some later
wide receivers and you want that positional advantage And what
Lamar Jackson, what Jaydon Daniels last year, like what these
top qbs are able to give you week after week
after week. Sometimes it's like having a whole extra player

(36:18):
and so yes, the rushing upside of a Lamar Jackson
and what he gives and how good he was last year,
and what I'm expecting from Joe Burrow this year in
a kind of revenge towards type of year as he
walks into an MVP season. I think these are two
quarterbacks that, yeah, far far away, I would just go ahead,
grab up and get and then I can play around
with my drafting later because I feel comfortable in some

(36:40):
of the late wide receiver options, some of the late
running back options that I can make.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Well's real makes a good point.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
If you can employ one of these early tight end
or early quarterback strategies, you better be the smartest person
in the room. You better be using the tools like
the Draft Assistant. I mean, that's a great tool that
you should be using if you haven't already downloaded the
Draft Wizard app. Wherever you get your apps. It'll suggest
live picks to you. It'll take you through, it'll give
you options suggestions, it'll tell you who's around you that

(37:08):
has one already, Like, don't take a tight end here,
because these two teams picking after you already have one,
So don't do that. You know, little tiny things like
you're having a coach inside the room with you. Well,
that's what it is, Fantasypros dot Com slash Assistant.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Use it.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Be part of the Fantasy Pros community.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Don't be a tool.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Use the tools to help dominate all your leagues and
sink your leagues for free again, download the app where
you ever get your apps for Fantasy Pros and use
Draft Assistant among the many other tools to be successful.
But getting back to the QBS, Terrell, what's the line
for you? Obviously it's Lamar, Obviously it's Josh Allen. Is
there somebody else that you stop the bus for and
say get on, we're going to the championship?

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Joe Burrow?

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Ah, see, that's mine too, and that surprises people. I
was fourth in the Flex Super Flex League draft this
year and I was taking Joe Burrow come hell or
high water. And guess what, Jaden even fell to me.
I was a little tricky there. I still took Joe Burrow.
So that's the right answer. There, you go, Well done, Terrell.
You got a knock knock there, all right. Pat fitz Morris,

(38:07):
I gotta say QB depth much better this year than
last year. I wrote about in the Black Book. I
think that QB this year at super Flex is a
really interesting way you can move an over around. But
in single quarterback leagues you have some guys that have
fallen out of favor, but they've also fallen out of
that top ten discussion.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Dak Prescott is right on the heels.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Justin Fields is a guy that it might not look pretty,
but the fantasy points are going to be there. Perty's
finished as a QB one before Justin Herbert being drafted
outside the top twelve. He has finished as a QB
one multiple times in his career. Jared Goff, even Jordan Love,
There's a lot of these guys you could maybe play
matchups with or make a case for and saying, hey,
I can wait to the last round or even two

(38:45):
and take two of these guys and play the upside
or play the matchups. Why is that a viable strategy
for you? Pat?

Speaker 5 (38:51):
We've already talked about how Jaden Daniels was the skeleton
key at quarterback last year and he was kind of
part of a mid round QB strategy. You could get
him later and he gave you high in production, and
you know, it seems like the jury was with me
on the pro Drake may argument. We refer to that
in the legal game as precedent.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
I saw that, and so I'll allow it continue.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
But here's the best case you're honored that I can
make for drafting a quarterback late. I know it's fun
to have Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson as your quarterback,
but taking a quarterback in the late second or third
round is such a big sacrifice. Draft season is the
time of year when people forget how often players get hurt,

(39:38):
and this is the worst time of year to forget that.
People draft their teams and they think I've got two
running backs and three receivers. I really like, I'm all set. No,
my friend, you are not set. If you lose ten
or twelve man games to injury combined at the running
back and wide receiver positions over the course of a season,
you are incredibly lucky. You could easily lose twenty five

(39:59):
to thirty man games to injury at those two positions.
Tackle football is a brutal sport. Every play is basically
a car crash. Like players get hurt all the time.
You think your fine wide receiver with your three guys
and all of a sudden. One of them has a
high ankle sprain. He's going to miss four to six
week weeks. Another guy's a sprained ac joint in his shoulder.
He's going to miss time. Now you're searching a waiver

(40:21):
wire for wide receivers and you're trying to figure out
if Nick Westbrook at Keene continue to score touchdowns on
forty percent of his catches and be startable even though
he's averaging three targets a week. That's not where you
want to be at quarterback. You can always find a
startable player on the waiver wire if you need one,
either guys who are actually pretty decent or guys who

(40:42):
have great matchups against bad defenses. A running back and
wide receiver good luck. It's just much harder to find
startable players on waivers. That's why it's a good idea
to hammer running back and wide receiver early on, build
numbers at those positions, and have good running backs and
receivers on your bench. It's harder to do that if
you are drafting a quarterback in the third round. You

(41:05):
can wait and just draft a quarterback like Jordan Love
who routinely gets drafted like QB eighteen. The Packers pass
rate over expected last year with something like negative eight percent,
and that's because Jordan Love was hurt all year and
never fully healthy. Sprained his MCL in Week one, just
as he was starting to get back to one hundred percent.
He injured his groin and dealt with that injury the

(41:27):
rest of the year. There's nothing in Matt Lafleur's coaching
history to suggest that he is extraordinarily run heavy. Love
is going to throw more this year. He could very
well provide top ten value at the QB position with
a QB eighteen selection. And I think that people are
with me on Drake may being an incredible value at

(41:48):
his current draft cost, Like that is the way to go.
Hammer running backs and wide receivers early, save the quarterback
for later.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
All right, Well, we're not going to save the decision
for later. We're going to open it up right now
to you, the people. So the poll is up here.
You want to go early stud QB or you want
to go late round QB. The choice is yours. Choose wisely, though,
LA pole is now open here for you.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
To make your decision.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
To make your call here on Fantasy Pros YouTube gennle
on Fantasy Draft court Pepitz Morris.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
If a quarterback, let me tempt you.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Let's say Lamar Jackson falls into the late third round?

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Are you pulling the trigger? There?

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Your pause says it all. The answer is yes, Yes
you are. I know you will, won't you?

Speaker 1 (42:36):
No? But all honesty, would you?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I mean, if you get a value you just can't
pass up, especially if you're down by the turn, or
would you jump in the QB water? Then for a
guy like Lamar Rollan, let's say it's a really discipline
league where everybody wants to go late QB.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Do you think you could pull that off? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (42:50):
I mean that's sort of where I have Lamar and
Josh Allen as late third round values. But you know,
the sacrifice you're making, I guess there is a little
bit less than it is early on. We know those
guys go late second round and a lot of the
home leagues. Yeah, but if it's like I'm not doing it,
if the sacrifice I have to make is a quarterback

(43:13):
versus Kyrone Williams or Garrett Wilson or Trey McBride or
someone like that. But if it's you know, Bryce Hall,
or Mike Evans versus Lamar Jackson. Yeah, I might pull
the trigger on Lamar at that point.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Terrelle, is there a favorite of yours. Let's say that
you know the value is not there or it's a
draft where you just don't want to go early QB.
What are some of your names in terms of some
of the Lake qub's that kind of strike your fancy
where you're like, yeah, you know what I missed out
on the run, like backet up in two just in
your draft spot. All of a sudden, they can go
off the board three in a row and then next
thing you know, you're like, Eh, the value's gone on

(43:49):
these guys. Now I got a pivot. What's your pivot point?
Who are the Lake ubs that you like?

Speaker 4 (43:53):
I think it really is Dak Gross, Like, I just
I'm completely out on the defense of the Dallas Cowboys.
I think that they're gonna be down in a bunch
of games. They're gonna look horrible all year, But Dat
Prescott is gonna go out there earn his money, and
CD Lamber is still a baller, and so I think
that it's gonna be a lot of plays like that.
Pickins will make some sort of impact this year and

(44:13):
it'll be okay. But yeah, I'm completely out on the
defense of the Cowboys. So I think Dat Prescott's gonna
have a bunch of time for yards. This could be
one of those four thousand plus really big seasons for that.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
All right, So the debate is still going on, and
we are going to give you the response here in
just a moment.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Make sure you like this video. Make sure you.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Subscribe to Fancy Pro's channel as well. We've got a
lot of fun things here going on the channel. We've
got a lot of great content, and I've just been
handed the slip here and it's overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
It is not close.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Seventy percent of the people here watching the show right
now prefer the late round QB strategy. So avoid the
late QB rules, the early qb' rules. Avoid the early
guys here. They think they're just gonna screw up your roster.
Look again, I'm saying, if I can get a discount,

(45:06):
you know, maybe Joe Burrow slips to that fourth round. Ooh,
that might be tough for me to say no to.
I gotta say, well, you can follow the Court of appeals.
See how that goes for you. It's a lot of
red tape, you know, a lot of bureaucracy around these
parts nowadays. I gotta say, especially in the YouTube streets,
it's really tough there. But hey, you got to take

(45:28):
your medicine here. The seventy percent of people have made
their decision wasn't close. But I think a lot of
the people watching us.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Here they're smart.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
They know they use the tools, they're watching the shows,
they're listening to the podcast, they read the articles. They
know what's up. They know that they can get some
value at QB. Question is how many do you want
to take? You want to take a shot on one
or two? If I'm gonna go like QB, I think
I want to I just want to back it up
and I want to play the matchups.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
That's what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Maybe we'll have appeals court, people have to bring that
back at some point, But for now, that decision is final.
We are waiting on quarterback case dismissed. Another successful episode
of Fantasy Football Draft Court.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Is in the books.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
All right, We've got one more for you here, everybody,
And this time, this is the new debate that everybody's
been talking about. Everybody's been asking for and guess what,
Judge Joey's going to give it to you. Why, Because
I'm a man of the people. I Am just a
humble public servant here at the end of the day
in a very very itchy wig that irritates my bald
head for over fifty plus minutes every time we do this,

(46:30):
and I'm sure I'm gonna have to put some sort
of lotion or cream on my head after this is over.
But it doesn't matter because this might be the most
important debate we have all year. When it comes to
running back strategy. There's two camps nowadays. There's the Hero
RB and the zero RB. And they're both viable, they're
both correct. It's just a matter of which one do
you want to employ this year in twenty twenty five,

(46:53):
and which one is the.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
More viable strategy.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
So Pat fitz Morris and Treel Ferman Jr. Are going
to help debate this bad Boy here is gonna be
the hero RB guy because I've done a lot of
drafts with Fits. I know he's a hero kind of dude.
And then Terrell Firman Junior. He's gonna go to zero
and I know why because I've done a lot of
drafts with Terrell, and I know how he drafts, which
is like me, which is heavy wide receivers, and we're

(47:15):
gonna take some shots. So I can't wait to hear
the response to these two guys here, Terrell, I want
you to start here with this one for me. Let's
lay out the strategy for the zero RB. Why is
it a good strategy this season? And I have to
assume part of this year's fancy for the zero RB

(47:36):
has to be the health of that rookie running back class,
which is the best we've had in a long time.
To me, that's why I look at the hero RB
and zero RB and I kind of lean towards the
zero side. But I don't want to tip the scales
of my own courtroom. Terrell Firman Junior, I'm gonna shut
up now. I want you to take the reins here.
Talk to me about this strategy and why people should
employ it this season.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Well, there's a multi suit of reasons. One of what
happens every sing single season, and it's the fact that.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
The rbs get hurt.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
A lot of those high value targets that you're taking
in the first round get hurt. Christian McCaffrey really really
hurt you last year. Sakwon Barkley could really really hurt
you this year. Like there's a lot of risk and
a lot of draft equity up there when the wide
receiver position is just so fat and there's so many different,
really really good guys up there. And then remember I

(48:25):
was talking about, I'm appealing my position of the decision
of the last ruling. It's a great system to also
merge the early QB strategy. Get you a solid Lamar Jackson,
Joe Burrow, somebody really really solid at that QB position.
Make sure you have that locked up week, the week
where you're getting those excess fantasy points in those boom weeks.
And then you come in and you're looking at middle

(48:48):
of the round running backs like RJ.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Harvey. You talk about this running back class. RJ.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Harvey, I'm really really excited about him. Omari and Hampton
excited about him. You look a little bit further deeper down,
Isaiah Picheck. Go's going in the sixth round. The sixth round.
Isaiah Pichecko was a top fifteen RB two years ago,
and he's fully healthy again, and he's still in an
offense with Patrick Mahomes, He's gonna have opportunities at the

(49:16):
end zone. So if I'm going into a zero RB
strategy and i end up in the sixth round with
Isaiah Pachecko as my RB one, I feel pretty okay
with that because I know I got some really really
good value at wide receiver, especially in these three wide
receiver leagues as well. So yeah, I'm all for the
zero RB strategy and just making sure you stack up

(49:39):
those wide receivers get you very very good options there.
Maybe grab you that early quarterback and then just go
ahead and stack up and start taking a bunch of
dart throws at these rbs who can become really really valuable,
including the handcuffs.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
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So get in there. All right, let's get to Pat

(50:37):
Fitzmorris's argument here. So Pat, here are b you know,
the McCaffrey's, the Derrick Henry's, the Bjon's man. You know,
you get one of those guys, Jamiir Gibbs, Saquon Barkley.
We could have that debate another time, but let's talk
about it. Let's talk about the hero RB strategy. Getting
that one dude that you can rely on, and then
when do you get him. Does it have to be

(50:58):
a first or second round guy, or there's some guy
you feel good about being your hero RB and carrying
your backfield while you're taking some shots later on.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
I think it could pretty much be anywhere in the
first three rounds to find that hero running back. I
do think they're viable third round hero running back possibilities,
and I'm actually okay with zero running back. I do
think it's a plausible, viable strategy, but it's also somewhat
risky strategy that depends on being able to find running

(51:28):
backs beyond the top twenty at the position. In some years,
it's just really hard to do that. Take last year
for instance, and I know Terrell talked about running backs
getting hurt a lot, and sometimes that maybe creates some
bargains guys who come off the bench and suddenly gain
a lot of value. Well, last year, not many of

(51:50):
the top running backs got hurt. I mean, there was
Christian McCaffrey, yes, strange case where we got swerved before
the season on the status of his injury, but otherwise
not a lot of running back miss games. Last year
was pretty much just McCaffrey and Pacheco. That was it. Meanwhile,
we saw a lot of wide receivers get hurt and
kind of crush the zero RB strategy. Last year we

(52:10):
saw Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, Rashi Rice, pretty much all
of the Houston Texans receivers, T Higgins, the list goes
on and on. So there were really few opportunities for
backup running backs to gain value, and it didn't leave
the zero RB drafters with many good options on waivers.
It was also kind of a bad rookie class at
running back that didn't really help, so few of the

(52:32):
rookies turned out to be bargains at ADP. There's something
to be said for getting that one anchor running back
and then trying to you know, ham and Eggot with
the other running back spot, as opposed to trying to
hamm and Eggott at both running back spots. Like if
you go zero RB and it turns out to be
a randomly bad year for that strategy, like last year was,
you are in big trouble. I don't think there were

(52:53):
many zero RB drafters who walked away with championship belts
last year, some but not many. And I do think
zero RB is viable, but it's undeniably risky. I would
rather get that one anchor running back early in the
first three rounds and then you can still hammer wide
receiver and you know, even pick up a tight end

(53:14):
and still have very strong pass catchers.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Let's put it to the jury. The poll is now
up hero RB or zero RB. Do you want that
anchor or do you want to just float around in
those draft streams and those waters, just kind of going
from booie running back to bowie running back and finding
a way figuring it out in the waiver wire any
port in a storm. How do you feel about the
running back position? I have to say, Pat, you know,
this year, with the running back class the way it is,

(53:38):
the rookie group, it is really tempting to wait.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
As long as you can.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I feel really confident, maybe overly confident, more confident that
I felt in a long time about a group. Everyone
from Caleb Johnson and Trebon Henderson, even Cam Scataboo. There's
a lot of guys out there I feel really good about.
And is the dynasty guy. I mean, do you think
that I'm putting the car before the horse here? Do
you think I'm getting too excited about these rookies and
maybe I should be thinking more about grounding my running

(54:03):
back room first.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
I don't mind if you are going with the zero
RB strategy, like locking in on maybe someone like Trayvon
Henderson or RJ. Harvey as your first pick and seeing
if you can get I don't know, one of the
un sexy options like Brian Robinson Junior Tyrone Tracy as
your second. You know, I did a draft on Sirius

(54:26):
XM with Mike Dempsey last night on a mock draft Monday,
and kind of did a zero RB approach with one
of my teams. And I think the guys I wound
up with were like Aaron Jones, Traveon Henderson, and Tyrone Tracy.
I didn't feel too bad about that. That trio.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Not bad.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Mike Dempsey great guy too. Mike and Bob two of
my big mentors in this business. Love those two guys.
Can't get enough of them. Terrell Furman Jr. Again, when
you're looking at those you know, hero rbs out there,
there is a clearcut group.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
To me, the heroes are Bijon the heroes or Jamiir
the heroes are Derek Henry because I just don't have
questions about those guys. I got questions about CMC still.
I've got questions about sae Quon coming off that giant
volume season.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
I really do.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
So it's tricky to me, it's like a finite number
of those guys. I know, Pat made an argument about
you know, maybe it's some other guys. Maybe it's a
Karen Williams or Chase Brown. You feel like you could
just get that one guy. But do you feel like
those guys qualify as true hero rbs or is it
just those super elite three that I mentioned.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
No, I think it's just really the super elite three.
I feel like the other guys are just kind of
those RBS that I'm afraid of in that middle tier
where yes, they're the starter now, but yeah, the health
was so good last year. What if that did seriace
this year? What if there's a Chase Brown injury. What
if there's Karen Williams injury. What if, like you know,
you're stuck with one of those guys and then that's it.

(55:51):
That's now you're really really struggling trying to figure out
what you're gonna do for backup options, and you weren't
planning for this in the beginning of the year. So
the bjons the I would even throw a Brice Hall
in there. I think Breese Hall is one of the
middle round guys that I'm actually more interested that I
think could be a really really good running back this year.

(56:12):
But I'm really more targeting Henry Bjon guys like that.
Those guys gives to be my star main guys.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
All right, the jury has come back and they have
a decision and it's seventy six percent. Once again, the
jury's very decisive today. Outside of one decision, it's been
very in the seventies. I gotta give everybody credit here.
Seventy percent of people here watching the show today on
Fantasy Draft Court think that they prefer to get that
one dude, that one hero.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
So audios to the zero.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
We're drafting the big hero RB and then we're pounding
those wide receiver streets baby into oblivion. So I don't
know if it's a shocking decision. I don't think it is.
I think it's one you could see coming here a
little bit. People still like to lock in that one
running back. I don't blame him. It makes you feel
warm and fuzzy, makes you sleep good at night to
have that one running back that you can rely on.
But again, be very careful who you put that moniker on.

(57:08):
That's the one thing Judge Joey will warn you about.
There's not a lot of heroes out there.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Be very careful.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
There's a lot of heroes disguised as heroes that really
are villains underneath, and they could hurt your fantasy team.
And I don't want to see you hurt. I don't
want to see that. Judge Joey doesn't like you getting hurt.
So be careful who you deem a hero and who
you follow. But of course make sure you follow us
for more fantasy football content here. The Gentleman did a
great job on today's show, as always, debating all the

(57:36):
topics of the day. I want to thanks to Roll
Firm and Junior Pafitz Morris for doing such a bang
up job like this video on the way out. Make
sure you like it and make sure you also drop
your comments so you win that AJ Brown helmet and
I want to hear from you, hero RBS zero RB.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Let us know so we can help you.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Make sure you're making the right decisions at all times.
Be part of the channel, ring the belt to the
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when is in session. But it no longer is because
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