The Extra Point: Auction Strategies, Keeper Decisions, and Chat Q&A (Ep. 1646)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(01:27):
how I've missed you, my friend, though we just you know,
we just spent a week ago together struggling over hot sauces.
If people were able to check that out, having a
grand old time. But this time we will not be
suffering outside of having to just listen to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Dude, I am so glad that the extra point is
back in action. Yes, we have recovered fully from the
Hot Takes episode, which when I was looking at the
view count, it doesn't it's not doing nearly as well
as I'd hoped. I know, I'm still doing pretty solid,
but I mean generating a ton of comments, so that
was really fun to see and mostly positive. People were

(02:02):
saying that Hey, they really laid it down all on
the line for the listeners, for the entertainment factor, and
I thought that we had some parer entertaining hot takes.
So happy to break it down once again this year
on the extra point and chopping it up with our
Discord users have great community here, we're building here at
Fantasy Pros astounding members of the community in the Discord.

(02:25):
That's just really fun, fun place to hang out. So yeah,
let's get these people's questions answered.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
And I fully expect all these people to get into
that Hot Ones episode because of Hot Takes episode, because yeah,
like you said, the people that love absolutely loved it.
There was no like middle ground with it. But yeah,
it's like, remember at the end of the day, I'll
say you the hot songs, those are some hot takes
and ericson you brought it in that episode. You had
some big ones which was a lot of fun. We'll
see if we get pressed on this. So here's the

(02:52):
structure of this show. If we don't have questions, we've
got some topics that we're going to hit. If we
do have questions, Joy Jilli, you can do that two ways.
You can raise your hand and be a part of
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have a chat function in here where people can drop
some of their questions. So that is potentially how you're

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gonna end up hearing the structure of this show, whether
it's you know, the people coming in here or we
are going to the chat. Plus there's some other stuff
that's kind of floating out there that would make some
interesting topics that we are going to talk to so
talk about. So's Ericson said, let's not waste any more time.
I know you guys want us to get right into it.
We're gonna start getting to the questions, whether it is redraft, yes, dynasty,

(03:35):
as someone just asked, I guess you could start into
the start and sit range, but drafting, superflex, everything under
the sun. Let's do it, friends, and let's kick this
season off with our boy Tim timb bringing it to
the top. Here we get these little tags to the
mock drafter tag, which, by the way, Ericson, let me
doing a mock draft here on Discord here in just

(03:57):
a tiny bit. Actually after this we are into heavy
mock draft season, so you can take part in those
on discord, I gotta unmute your mike, Tim, Tim is
on the stage. I want to hear the question. What
you got man?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Hi, guys, thanks for doing this.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I love the show. I am in a twelve team
PPR auction league. We I have JJ McCarthy is a
super much flus leave sorry JJ McCarthy for ten dollars,
I feel like as an obvious keeper and then I'm
George Pickens for eleven or zebier Worthy for thirteen are

(04:32):
the two best other options.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay, so it's keep one of those guys. It's okay,
So it's keep one Pickens or Worthy at the price
correct correct? Okay? Cool. There was like a little bit
of a breakup there. Great question, Tim, and thank you
for the kind words. This super easy to me. But
what do you think ericson?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I think it's I don't think it's super easy. I
think that these guys are closely ranked. But I'm going
to go with things Averworthy went with Reshie Rice probably
been to start the year.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, I mean, if Rishie Rice were not suspended, would
your answer change?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think so? Really you go Pickens, Yeah, because xaber
Worthy like this suspension for Rice is huge for him
because I think this kind of changes his entire outlook
for the season, right because he gets to now an
opportunity to pick up where he left off last year,
which wasn't necessarily going to be the case if Rice

(05:26):
had come back in Week one, and if Worthy comes
out of the gates cooking, then he's going to continue
to be featured piece of this offense. Whereas George Pickens,
we expect big things. Remember he's playing the Eagles in
Week one. I don't love that matchup necessarily. He's playing
with a new quarterback with Dak Prescott, who has established
chemistry with Jake Ferguson with Ceedee Lamb, So I think
maybe it takes a little bit more time for Pickens

(05:47):
to get going potentially. Whereas Worthy, I mean he's got
the red carpet with the Rice suspension.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Okay, I mean I might be overplaying it a tiny bit.
I don't think there's a scenario where I don't say
Xavier Worthy. But to your point, you know, the Chiefs
get into like weird rotational wide receiver. It's like, let's
make sure nine different guys get the ball, and when
where she Rice is there, he definitely is a force
for targets, as is Travis Kelcey, but I think he's

(06:15):
a phenomenal playmaker. I mean, Pickens is a clear two.
But if that offense is looking anything like the Bengals
and slaying in the ball, that too could be a
wide receiver, you know, fifteen or so. But this is
an easy worthy for me, especially because the prices are close.
Now if you had said Pickens at a four or
are Worthy at a thirteen? Okay, now now we might
be talking about something a little bit different, but pretty

(06:38):
easy worthy for me. Great question though, great one to
start us off here. Beta Ray. You guys are not
familiar with the Beta Ray bills, probably see soon in
the Marvel universe, I would guess. But Beta Ray, what
you got, man, that's a good guess.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
It definitely is Marvel. No, thank you.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
So I've.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I've commissioned a number of league salary leagues, dynasty whatever
it is, but I am just dipping my toes into
a contracts league and wanted to see if you guys
have ever done that format. It's on League Tycoon, but
just trying to you know, there's so many settings with
percentages and things like that, and just wanted to see

(07:18):
if you guys had any pointers or tips on uh,
you know setup and you know how to let.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Me ask you something real quick on that. Yeah, is
it real life contract or is it you? You set
the contracts.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
We set the contract So it's it's an auction auction draft.
Our salary cap is four hundred with but I guess
in the startup we've got a hundred reserve cap, so
we can only spend three hundred dollars in the startup draft.
So uh, and then after the auction draft you can
assign contracts and they go up. You know, each year

(07:53):
you keep them their salary whatever you got them for
the auction draft, it goes up by ten percent each season.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay, So but to be clear, because the reason I
asked that because I did a lead long time ago
where because there's a couple of different ways. There's one
where it's like real life contracts. There's one also that
it used like real life money percentages. You're saying, I
did an auction and uh, for George Pickens at five

(08:20):
dollars and now he will go up ten percent? Is
that more of how it's going to go? Whatever that vow? Okay, Okay,
So it's not like, you know, I have pickings of
ten million dollars. What do you guys think I should do?

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Right?

Speaker 5 (08:29):
So?

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, cool? So this is like an auction league that
is going to have that is going to have percentages
and contracts for how long and is there going to
be caps on like how many years a player can
be kept or is it just going to be just
money keeps going up.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
We only get so many contracts, so there you get
one five year, one, four year, two, three years, and
three two years.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, cool, all right, that's that's a fun way to
do it. Ericson, to me, that's a it's a relatively standard.
Maybe there's they they flipped formatically, how you're doing a
keeper league using auction you know what I'm saying? Like
sometimes it's like, oh, I hear people say you can
keep a guy for three years and then their cost
goes away or you keep a guide around. That's just
like a slightly altered version of a keeper league. To me,

(09:10):
is there anything different strategically you would do? I mean,
the thing that jumps out to me would be the youngest,
lowest price talent might have a little bit more of
a draw to put contracts on than like you know,
you spent thirty five dollars on a you know, AJ
Brown or something like that. This league is probably going
to have a lot more like younger low dollar players

(09:33):
kept than high dollar stuff.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, I think that's probably what I would echo. The
same thing, where in these later rounds you want to
try to gravitate towards some of the younger players that
you could potentially see carrying over to the next season.
So again, I don't think we need to be too
crazy with the strategy, but I think that that's probably
the best approach and to not necessarily worry about, oh,

(09:56):
I need to get this immediate production. You can probably
find some veterans down the line that you can get
for cheap as one year rentals essentially. But yeah, investing
in some of these younger players in the later rounds
makes makes makes no sense to me.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Auction salary cap what however you phrase it. Do you have?
Is there like just really quick a strategy that you
really sit into, because I think there's studs and scrubs.
There's the hammer approach. The hammer approach is like you
kind of let people spend their money early on and
so in the later rounds, you have the hammer, which
states like any player you have the dollars for you

(10:31):
could dictate every dollar based on what you're hearing there,
or just any salary cap league. Is there like a
specific way you like to approach it. Do you like
to have a little bit of money at the end
so you can get some of those like you can
get some study you know future hyped players for like
practically nothing like a jarkways hunter. You want him to
get at a dollar so you can get that. Or

(10:52):
do you like to just spend your money, get your
studs and build around some scrubs. What's your approach?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I think probably stars as scrubs. I think that's just
what works best in terms of fantasy football, right. I
think that there's only a couple few guys every year
that are truly difference making, and then everybody else kind
of falls into the other bucket of okay, will they
a middle round pick or a late round pick? And
usually the late round picks are just perceived as better
because or better values because they just go later and

(11:20):
they just kind of put up mid round production. So
I think that's stars and scrubs. Anytime you think you
can build a team that you can't build in a
snake draft, I always think is kind of interesting. So
either going after two guys that you basically can never
combine together, not to say like a chase in Bijon
like somehow getting that type of start. Yes, it's going

(11:42):
to cost a ton of money to start, but if
you feel confident in your ability to identify late round
tight ends value at the late round quarterback position, then
I think you can feel comfortable going more aggressive at
I want to get the RB one with the wide
receiver one, and I don't really care necessarily how much
it costs. And I would also say even in the
keeper too, and a keeper.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Like in his like it's a keeper type of format.
You hold to that not as much.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I was just speaking more in general terms of an
auction YU one year auction, and then the other thing
would be just for salary for budgeting purposes. You've got
to make sure you understand what your tiers are. I
think that that's really important, especially in the auction, because
you know when you're in there. Okay, if Jayden Daniels
goes for X price, the market has not been set

(12:30):
for Josh Allen Lamar Jackson Jalen Hurts. If you feel
those guys are all on the same tier, then you
can manipulate and navigate the board accordingly based on the
bids that you're putting in. But then also realize that
what it's kind of different. Whereas in a snake draft,
the last guy in the tier you want to target
because they're the cheapest, the last guy in the tier
may not be the cheapest in auction. They might actually

(12:52):
be the most expensive because everyone knows that they're the
last guy in that particular tier. So those are a
couple of things I think about. You know, for auction settings.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
That's good stuff. There great great question And that's what's
cool about this too. When you guys come in here,
you can bring up a question and it can spark
another part of a conversation. Again, like the audience, you
guys are people. You're the producers of this show. You
get to produce where we go with it, and that's
actually what makes us fun like so unique. Ericson and
I have talked about this before. You want to know
why this is one of our favorite shows. There's no prep.

(13:26):
We just get to live, go, we put There is
so much You guys have no idea. There's so much
prep work we have to do to putting. Even in
if you guys think it was stupid what we did
with the Hot Takes, you guys have no idea how
much prep it took from production standpoint, planning standpoint, off
air standpoint, and then also, by the way, all the analysis.
There's so much that goes in everything that we do.

(13:47):
We really take it to heart. It's a little fun
to do this as well, because ericson you and I
just get to like react and we get to have
like we get to see where the conversations go, right, Yeah, no,
pickup and play and play baby. All right, let's se
what Corey has to say. Corey Hazard in here premium
member of the Fantasy Pros Discord, so access to it
all and to us. What's up Corey?

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Guys?

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Good dude, what's up?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (14:11):
Thanks for doing that Hot Takes. That was probably one
of my favorite episodes. I had to go rewatch it
on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
That's awesome. Glad you liked it.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
But my question kind of two parters. So it's a
fourteen man a half PPR League one keeper. I'm either
going between Brian Thomas Junior or Puka in the seventh.
Our draft isn't until September, tewond But knowing that all
the other guys in the league usually lean more towards
running backs, what would be kind of your draft strategy

(14:45):
with that kind of setup as far as for the league,
with that keeper in mind, and kind of knowing that Jamar,
Chase a Chan, Justin Jefferson, and Chase Brown are already
taken for other keepers.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
So real quick, I didn't hear what was Brian tom
because you said Puoka was the seventh? What was Brian
Thomas or were they both seventh?

Speaker 6 (15:04):
Both seventh?

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Okay, And it's a it's just a it's a one keeper,
you said, right yep, okay.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
Coot yeah, two wide receiver to your running back.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Half PPR PPR half PPR Okay, boom, thank you, Corey,
thank you very much. By the way, all right, we
got all the details here. We could maybe argue about
the player Brian Thomas, But what do you do in
a situation like that where you know you named all
some of the players, you're gonna have more running backs kept?
What is going to be yours?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I think?

Speaker 1 (15:35):
He said fourteen team too. So what's going to be
your strategy as far as once you hit the draft
and you've kept a wide receiver knowing some of those
good running backs are how are you going to press
a little bit to make sure you get the highest
based running back or are you are you not willing
to do that if there's like a high variance wide
receiver sitting out there, and just kind of roll with
it because you know one keepers pretty I mean, you

(15:58):
can almost get into redraft valuations. You pretty much can
just do redraft valuations across the board and you can
look at ranks and ADP and stuff and figure out
what you're dealing with. There's only so many players, Kep.
But what do you think there, Erickson?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
I think that's the way that the board is going
to align for Corey here is it's probably not gonna
light out the running backs they are available agreed next.
So it's not a whether, It's not a matter of
what your strategy should be. It's just kind of projecting
the board. Because someone that you look at if you
don't go running back in rounds one or two is

(16:31):
Chase Brown, like in that end of Round three conversation.
But he already said that Chase Brown's being kept, so
that's already one of the top running backs off the
board in that range. So I think it's going to
just best player available. This is how we get in
trouble is when you take inferior players of positions of
need on your roster, especially this early in the draft.
There are so many running back values that you can

(16:54):
get later on. If JK. Dobbins is the starting running
back for the Denver Broncos week one, he goes out
to the top four aready running backs and he costs
next to nothing to just draft and you can plug
him in as a starter for week one. So that's
something that I would keep in mind. I think that
running back this year, in particular, you can push farther.
I think that it's worth it, especially if top tier

(17:15):
wide receiver talent is falling down the board and you
can stack Pooka or Brian Thomas Junior with another high
end wide receiver. I love those types of start. I'm
embracing those types of starts because I know, based on
how talented this rookie running back class is, there's going
to be a lot more than just one Bucky Irving
from last year. Coming out of this class, a lot
of these rookie running backs are going to pop in

(17:36):
a massive way, and I want to make sure that
I'm not over investing in running back early on, where
I'm less tempted or less aggressive going after more running
backs in the later rounds.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, it's like, you know, if you're faced with in
this situation, it could be Kyne Williams or Lad McConkey,
Like you're like, oh God, the running back has gone Nope,
I'm gonna go with the BPA. I'm going to go
with the best player, or even if it's a little
you know, AJ Brown or Kylin Williams. Like to me,
that's I think what you're starting to face. You're going
to face a lower tier of a running back versus

(18:07):
a higher tier of a wide receiver, and I would
be PA eight. So ericson. What you're telling me, though,
is you're you are not concerned by a preseason depth
chart where R. J. Harvey is the fifth running back.
You say that does not make you scared, he said jokingly.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
So the preseason depth chart things are pretty funny because
they're always like this across the ward.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
The dumbest things on the plane.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Ones that stand out are when rookie running backs are
just egregiously ranked below veterans. And I get it. I
understand like most rookie running backs are always going to
be ranked behind starters, even if we're projecting the starter
or the starter to be, you know, said rookie running back.
I believe it was a couple of years ago. It
was during I think it was Arthur Smith's rookie season
as a head coach of the Falcons. Tyler alger As,

(18:56):
a fifth round pick, was RB eight on the depth chart.
Jon Robinson was also RB three on his depth chart
after being taken top ten in the NFL draft a
couple of years ago. So don't read too much in
the unofficial depth charts. A lot of times it's team interns,
just the media department just crafting up some type of
depth chart. And to the Broncos point, you know who

(19:18):
was the QB three on the depth chart last year
for Denver Sphone Nicks, and he turned out to be
have a pretty solid rookie season. So I don't think
it means it's all over R J. Harvey. But what
I think it does mean, and it's really not a
take away from the depth chart, but just looking at
the roster overall is yeah, I mean this is gonna
be a committee. I think that the upside play long

(19:38):
term is Harvey, just based on the fact that JK.
Dobbins is not someone that is made for the long run.
I think that he's gotten hurt seemingly every single season,
even last year where we felt really good about him.
He's going in the same range as he was last season,
and he was a really good pick last year outside
of the top forty. He ended up being the starting
running back and was productive. And I think behind Denver

(19:58):
Bronco's offensive line, he's the starter on early downs, catches
a couple passes here and there because they like to
feed the running backs in the passing game. Then yeah,
I think Dobbins can be a really solid pick. I
don't think that it's a bad idea to draft both
Denver Bronco's running backs and just hope that yeah, you know, Harvey.
Maybe I reached out a little bit four based on
the second half upside, but I got the immediate production
from JK. Dobbins out of value, so it kind of

(20:20):
balances out where maybe you feel like you're reaching on Harvey,
but then you're getting the value with Dobbins, and so
you're reaching a really good equilibrium when you're trying to
approach how the Bronco's back. Though then they playing the
Titans week one at home as touchdown favorites, so it's
a good matchup.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
We got our boy Aaron coming up next. But you
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Harvey or JK. Dobbins or any of these guys. As
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Speaker 2 (21:30):
Aaron.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Aaron is the final in our que so far, so
feel free to hit up the que otherwise when we
get into the chat, Aaron, what you got man?

Speaker 2 (21:38):
So?

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Going back to auctions, Eric Sando, you know that's my
preferred method given your studs and duds approach. Assuming you
could have three first or second round kind of quality players,
what three would you target?

Speaker 1 (21:52):
That's a pretty good question, thank you. Erin So studs
and scrubs top two rounds, you are going to be
dropping some of your cash on who ericson.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah. I'm just pulling up my rankings so that I
am making sure that my take is accurate with what
I have ranked. The first person that comes to mind
for me is Drake London, just because I think that
he could he's set up for a monster season. I
know that he's a round two type of player in redraft,
goes in the middle round too, sometimes even later in
some I think ESPN has him around outside the top

(22:25):
twenty in ADP, so he's someone that I would if
I had to take him in the first round, I
would take Drake London that high. So he would definitely
be one of the guys I would check off. And
because I make such a big investment in London, I
think maybe I would just shy away a little bit
from Bijon, just so I'm not necessarily double downing on
the Falcons in a redraft format has for the other

(22:48):
players to invest in, and maybe I'm wrong with that.
Maybe I should just double down and just believe that
the Falcons are going to just go scorched earth Michael
Pennix and just draft all the Falcons players. So maybe
I'll maybe I'll revisit that and add Beijon to the fold.
But I would definitely start with Drake London, I think,
form the other receivers and Welsh If there's any names

(23:11):
for you that come to mind, please.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I've got three. I've got three in here. Aaron doesn't
care what I have to say. He only cares what
you have to say. But I will give you my
three here in just a second, unless you don't, unless
you're still looking. You're Drake London, what else do you got.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
They could probably pay it for Chase and just not
overthink it. Okay, he's set up so well with Joe
Burrow to be the first guy to repeat as a
wide receiver one overall since Antonio Brown, I think is
the last guy that has been able to do it.
And it's just because it's not just a bet on Chase,
it's a bet on the Chase Burrow connection. I think
that's why it could be repeated where it's been tough,

(23:46):
because I think that we've had instances where receivers have
their quarterback to get hurt and or they move on,
like Jefferson's had a new quarterback like the last couple
of seasons. Dak got hurt last year, so that's why
we didn't see her performance. Isn't necessarily from Lamb or Jefferson,
Puka again Stafford, So I think that it would probably
be London Chase and then Man, I think I feel

(24:08):
like I feel like I need to probably throw a
running back in here, and I think value wise, I
think I could probably get Devon eight Chan for a
really good rate, which maybe won't capture all of his upside,
where last year we saw a Chan was the RB
one in points per game when Tua was healthy, and

(24:31):
that's definitely baked into his price where you're not necessarily
paying for that upside because you're getting him in round two.
So I've talked about how this year there's it's really
deep in round one. So I think that actually attacking
round two with multiple guys in an auction league is
the best way to get value because you're getting round

(24:52):
one player talent, I think at a round two costs
because of how deep round one is this season. So
those will the three guys that I would highlight, Well,
shure we yours.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Okay, So I'm gonna give you five. And by the way,
Aaron was like, not true, It's all good. These are
five players because I think you can balance the scenario.
Number one is Malik Neighbors. Malik Neighbors is going to
get so many freaking targets. I continuously move him up
the board. He's right after the tier of like the
Lambs and the Jefferson's where the big money is. There's

(25:23):
a potential that you know, people are like, oh my god,
I missed out. I got to get him. But I
love the target equity. Jamiir Gibbs high end running back
again just off of Beijon. This is going to cost
you a pretty penny here, but those would be two
key ones. I also like Devon ah Chan. I don't
know if I would do two running backs in this scenario.

(25:44):
So if I were to if I were to miss
on Gibbs, get neighbors, I would go neighbors, and then
I would probably try to pair with Brian Thomas, and
then I would go eight Chan. So those would be
the big four. If I ended up getting the two
wide receivers and did not get a Chan, my pivot
would be Bucky Irving. So those would be five players
in the studs and scrubs that I would be looking for.

(26:06):
So it would look like neighbors, Brian Thomas, and Bucky
or Gibbs neighbors, And I guess I didn't really give you,
like a lower in wide receiver. I would still be
trying for like a Brian Thomas or something like that,
but that would be my general range that I'm going
into for some of the players. But we both agreed
on a Chan, so great question. Also on the higher
end of stuff that people are looking for, so I

(26:29):
definitely like that one good job, Aeron. All right, our
q A phone line is essentially open right now, but
we do some questions in the queue, so let's get
to these. Mister Andrew Erickson, Darth Nugg says, do you
guys think that Xavier Worthy roma dunza a twenty twenty
six second and a twenty twenty seven second is a
fair offer for R J. Harvey and Lad McConkey. So

(26:53):
TWU two's worthy in a douneza? Do you think that
is fair for Harvey and Ladd? And I don't know
which way this is. Did he get that or is
he try to justify My immediate reaction is I know
I do not think it's fair. I want the Harvey
and I mean maybe I shouldn't say it's not fair.
I want the Harvey and McConkie side, without question, and
that's what I want. But I could see where someone

(27:13):
could say, hey, it's two good young wide receivers. I
get some seconds. I think the seconds the value isn't
enough to get up give up two high end dynasty guys,
especially from the running pack. But Erickson, maybe you feel different.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
I think that it's a fair offer. I mean that's
answering the question, and I know that you said it
on the RJ. Harvey and lab of Conka. I think
I probably side with that as well. But if Worthy
and o'doons i hit in year two, then that's more
than a fair deal. Then those draft picks could become
totally irrelevant. So I think that if you just look

(27:47):
at the value chart, I'd imagine that this is probably
going to come up to be a fair deal because
you look at all those picks, the one that's trading,
there's only one part of the deal. It's trade away
first round talent, which was examer Worthy of Romandonsay. Now
obviously mconkie was a high second round pick and basically
played like a first round pick last year as a rookie,
and he's definitely the best guy in the deal. So

(28:07):
I think I agree with you that's probably where I
want to be. But I mean Worthy and a Dunsay
could easily, you know, have their value skyrocket after this year.
But Dunsay takes a step with Kimble. Kaylee William, you're
already talking about it Javier Worthy a little bit. I mean,
these are two guys draft in the first round entering
year two. That that's when we see a lot of
receivers make that big leap, so I think it's a

(28:28):
fair deal.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, you know, I agree to disagree, but a dounsay,
could make the Lad side easier, I suppose. Then it's like,
is it worth worthy and two second round picks for Harvey?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
I could see the fairness of that, But it's like
one of those guys I think needs to get to
the McConkey level. But I'm also a big mconkie truther here,
regardless of Keenan Allen. You know, we had this big
discussion company wide about when Keenan Allen signed, and there's
some you know that we're like, oh, peace out, Lad,
and then some that have absolutely no movement whatsoever. And

(29:02):
I'm a no movement on Lad guy. So where were you?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
So this isn't it's not apples to apples, But where
were you at last year when DeVante got traded to
the Jets with Garrett Wilson? Do you remember where you
stood on that?

Speaker 1 (29:17):
I knocked I think I knocked Wilson down a little bit, Okay,
not enough clearly.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, I mean I think that there's some similarities. I mean,
Keenan Allen, Adams I'm saying the relationship with his quarterback,
that's what I mean. Oh okay, yeah, really good because
it was Rogers and we know Herbert trusts Keenan Allen
to the moon and back. This is that. That's the
only thing that I think. I mean, if he was

(29:44):
on a different team, I think would be totally different conversation.
But I just I mean, if we look up after
week one and keen Allen meads the team in targets
after week won, are you really that surprised? Not again
not to say that Glad is like totally dust, but
I think that I think it's not nothing.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, but I would also say, like if that were
to happen, I would bet the under that it happens
uh one point five more times the rest of the season,
Like like, I don't you're not wrong, Like Keenan's going
to be something. And the people out there that are like, hey,
you know, Keenan has no effect on this offense, Like no,
like he's gonna have some effect on the offense, but

(30:20):
it's gonna be because you looked at Ladd and he
wasn't open. It's not gonna be. I don't think it's
going to be like, you know, third checkdown goes to Ladd.
Now because they're going one to Keenan's going to be
ten and out. It's going to be ten into the
sideline or a five yard in. It's going to be like, oh,
Ladd is not open safety net Keenan Allen. Now, that
could lead Keenan Allen to a lot, but I'm not

(30:42):
sure it takes away from Lad. I could be wrong.
I just think I think Ladd has barely started to
scratch the surface. But again, that's where like the you know,
that's where the evaluation stuff kind of.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
You would rather draft, uh, Keenan Allen or Cooper Cup.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Cooper Cup, I would draf I'm the only Cooper Cup
with all of us. Like when I did it in
one of our drafts, Joe was like, what are you
doing here? And it's like it's it is an absolutely
new setup. But like push him into the middle, Sam
Darnold's safety net. Like I don't think Cooper Cup is
going to be like how he was back in the past,
but I think he's still going to get a bunch

(31:16):
of targets. I think he's still going to get a
ton of time. Now the health is more of the question.
I think even the talent, but yeah, I'll take I've
been taking Cooper Cup all over the place. But you know,
big dumb idiot, I didn't finish fifth like Ericson, I
didn't finish what was it five in the Ranks contest
or ten? It was no maybe top five, No big deal,

(31:37):
no big deal. By the way, as a promo, this
wasn't even on our schedule here, but Andrew Rickson is
a part of the Ranks show this year. If you
guys remember, it was Pat fitz Morris and myself with
a kind of a rotating guess. Nope, this year it
is number five himself, Andrew Erickson, Pat fitz Morris, I
will be hosting in our Ranks in season episodes, so

(31:59):
strap in. It is going to be awesome. And I
legitimately mean this, like, it's more episodes I get to
do with Ericson. Ericson is legit my full on podcast
partner in this world here at Fantasy Pros, and I
love it. So I'm glad I get to do another one.
And I'm gonna I'm gonna learn from my Cooper Cup
mistakes most likely, So all right, more questions here again,
feel free to raise your hand and just promoting out

(32:21):
there that in the future. Well, one thing is I misspoke.
This channel was actually an accidentally locked for this very
first episode, so these are only premium members that are
on here. It will not be that for the future episode.
So just one because we had one of our great listeners, Redbeard,
hit me up like, hey, it's locked. No, this is

(32:43):
going to be an unlocked channel, which all that means
is if you have a premium account, no worries. If
you didn't you couldn't get in here, you will for
the future. Just want to remind you guys if you
really care about that, but just shouting out if anyone
tried to get in and they couldn't, this first one
was locked, all right. Joseph, i'ven't seeing some people taking
BTJ over neighbors. In some mock drafts. They specifically say

(33:03):
that it's because they like the Jags offense more than
the Giants. Is it crazy to take Brian Thomas Junior
over Malik Neighbors.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I don't think it's crazy, but maybe you do, Welsh,
because I know you just talk about neighbors. Guy, you're
trading up to get or moving up to get for
those auctions. So where do you stand?

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I was saying it wrong.
It's not crazy because I do love Brian Thomas. I
think I had this conversation with with Lakwan Jones. If
you guys know Lakwan over at FTN and NFL. He
really is anti Trevor Lawrence and kind of anti Brian

(33:42):
Thomas because of how mid he thinks Trevor Lawrence is.
But like Travis Hunter, I think expands this offense quite
a bit more that I think Brian Thomas is going
to be more than able to just keep rolling with
where he was last year and he did. I know
he did some of it with Mac Jones, but he's
going to continue to do it. I love Brian Thomas.
I am clearly neighbors over Brian Thomas. So like there's

(34:07):
a little bit of craziness in it, but those are
two guys that I really really like. Not that I
dislike a London or a Nico. I'm totally fine on them,
but like I'm a pound the table. Brian Thomas and
Malik neighbors guys, So I would not do it, but
I don't think it's like eye rolling or anything. I mean,
you're not going to roll your eyes if you see it, right.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
No, it just goes back to the round one, round
two receivers are so good. They're all so I want
to draft all these guys because you can see paint
pictures where they just go into Oblivia, they just smash.
They just feel like such good picks and neighbors. I
think it's so clearly the issue with him is nothing

(34:49):
to new with the player. He's super talented, probably arguably
a top five receiver already in the NFL after his
rookie year, very strong case to leave the NFL. In targets,
like you said, I guess my concern with that is
does he survive. This guy's constantly begged him at training
kit because he has to get like twenty targets because
no one they can't move the ball unless they hit

(35:09):
the ball to the leak neighbors. So that's something that
gus kind of in the back of my mind. But
I think with neighbors for me, for me to feel
the most confident, I think I do prefer him in
the full PPR because I think that's really where you
get the most bang for your buck with neighbors just
because okay, if he has a low touchdown total, okay,

(35:30):
then you can probably fade him, probably safer in a
standard or half PPR format at the Giants offense just
is bad. But in full PPR, the floor that he's
going to offer, with the amount of volume he's going
to see, it's just hard to see him being a
bad pick at the you know, middle end round one.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, and they're they're you know, within the same realm
of possibility. Like, let me come back to our boy, Corey,
because I don't think we actually answered this. We're focused
on the other part where Corey had said, you know, hey,
I might miss this, but of the seventh round, who
would you want, Pooka or Brian Thomas. I think you
answered it in the chat ericson But like I think
Puoka you can put neighbors. And then I think, like

(36:10):
I even say, like London, Thomas and Nico, those guys
all kind of float in a tier where it's like
we can have our you know, guys. But I don't
think you've made a bad decision if you decide to
go one way or the other, don't you.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Think I think, yeah, I don't think you can really
pick make the wrong selection. And the thing that sucks
about this now is when you're looking at all their
guys in round Mom, we talked about how deep Round
one is this year. You're almost now over analyzing the
flaws and how does this guy hurt me? Because you're
trying because you think that they're all such good pick
so you're trying to feel, Okay, what's the safest pick,

(36:44):
and you get really nitpicky. So now the arguments are, well,
how do you feel about Trevor Lawrence with Brian Thomas Junior.
You know, last year it was back Jones that was
a quarterback when Brian Thomas Junior was having his strong finish,
and then with Pooka, it's well, Matthew Stafford has his
back injury, Devonte, how many touchdowns are he going to
take away? When if you just look at Puka the
first two years in the NFL, the guy has been
so freaking good and if Stafford were to miss time,

(37:08):
it doesn't mean that Pooka Nakua and all this scheme
to work that he's gonna get is gonna go away.
When Jimmy Garoppolo is under center, and we saw the
Jimmy Garoppolo Andante Adams thing already in Las Vegas, and
it wasn't great. It was a lot of hospital balls, Welsh,
it was not Funonte.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Would you call the hospital balls?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yes, because that's what Jimmy G does. He throws the
ball and gets his freaking guys hurt.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
He's so bad.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Remember when that happened to George Kittle?

Speaker 1 (37:33):
I sure do, Yeah, I do. I remember all of
the Jimmy G's He's so bad, so bad, Like when
he was on You're just like, oh, this is serviceable,
and then he would just make a he'd make a
move like you mis clicked and Madden, you know what
I mean, Like you're supposed to throw like yeah, well,
like you're supposed to like throw a dart throw and
then you just lob it up and there's seven corners there,

(37:55):
and you're just like okay, like that's what Jimmy G
were doing, like real life.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
It's crazy. That happens to me constantly when I will
play Madden on a different controller than I'm used to.
So if I'm playing on PlayStation, the X is in
a different spot than the X is on an Xbox controller,
so I get confused, and I think that I'm ready
to hit the crossing route, and then all of a
sudden he's dropping back to throw.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
The go round.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I'm like, wait, no, don't do that. So yes, very
much the GBG experience.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
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(39:24):
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dot tv slash Fantasy Pros. A couple of pickups here,
Aaron said, fifth in the ranks contest. Where were Mike

(39:47):
and the rest of the team. I think Mayor finished ten.
He's like always like top ten. It's ridiculous, sneaky good rankers.
He's so good and he does it in baseball too,
It's just crazy. I think Pat was top twenty five.
I'm not I wasn't anything to write home about, but
it was the highest I've ever been, and I ranked

(40:09):
higher than Debro and I'll leave it at that. That's
the most important thing. And Joe piece of PA higher
than piece of PN. Joe I was, I remember I
was made go ahead?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Sorry Joe ranked really hoigh, I think Joe was top
five and tight end rankings specifically, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
I think he was really good at tight end. But
like I am an actual testament now, you know, ranked
contest versus like you know, drafting and stuff like that.
It's like a weekly application of like who we think
is valuable, which I think is so great about that show.
So you know, it's not necessarily like the drafting we're
focusing on here. But one thing I would say it
made me a better ranker. It may be just a

(40:44):
better weekly decision maker. So a great reason to check
that out. But Ericson was the cream of the crop
for us. And then the other pickup was our boy.
Bunting said, Cooper Cup is your wide receiver three all day,
half the time. You can get him as a four
or five. I'll tell you this, I've never drafted him
as a three. He's LEAs my five. And that is
the thing I like about him so much. In my
draft strategy is I am not banking on Cooper Cup

(41:06):
if he doesn't work out. In some points, you're almost
drafting him at least if you do your wide receivers right,
as a guy that you could cut if it all
doesn't work out. So that's why I'm more invested. I
personally actually would not be a big suggesting Cooper Cup
as a wide receiver three guy. Four? Okay, five, I
think is great ericson. You don't want him at all,
but you want Keenan. You would rather Keenan as your

(41:28):
wide receiver four over Cooper Cup?

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeay? Or yeah, you're gonna get Keenan Allen. I think
you're gonna get keen Nowen as your wide receiver five.
I don't think that's even going to be a discussion.
Keenan Allen's gonna be buried in every single ADP because
there's not enough time for his AP to catch up.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Where do you have him right?

Speaker 2 (41:44):
And he's inside my top forty five?

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Really? Okay?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Ie che last year he had eight point one targets
per game. He had more targets per game than lat
mcauughe did last year. I get there on different teams
and the Bears obviously threw the ball ton, so it's
not an apples to apples comparison. But Keen Allen a
broken offense playing alongside a top ten pick and Dj Moore.
He led the team in targets from week eleven onward. Now,

(42:07):
I don't think that he's necessarily the same. I mean,
he's thirty three years old, so he's not a spring chicken.
I don't think that he's an elite efficiency creator anymore.
But he's gonna get targets, and that means he's gonna score.
For Fanny's point, especially in a full PPR. Justin Herbert
trusts him. I think he has a red zone presence.
There's not really a tight end of consequence for the Chargers.
And then the other receivers on that team are Quinn Johnston,

(42:31):
who I mean, it's you're crossing your fingers each other
throwing the ball up. He's gonna cature not and then
Trey Harris, Cawndary Lambert Smith rookies. So yeah, I really
think that Keenan Allen is gonna see a lot of
targets and I think that makes him worth picking, especially
with one of your last picks, because again his ADP
is going to be so low on all these sites

(42:52):
just because it's going to take him too long for
it to readjust to him signing, because if he got
signed in like A or something like that, his ADP
would be much much higher.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I think it probably be high. It would be like
near Cup and those guys like Stefan Diggs probably full
PPR even a little bit better. So wherever you.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Sit on it. Last thing with Cooper Cup though, because
I'm kind of interested just to see how you so
you would take would you take Cup? Or Deebo Sanuel Debo?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
And I don't feel good about that because you know
my feelings on Debot well deepo.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
At least again going back to who has the red
carpet week one, it looks like Dibo has that.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
As long as this hand is good.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Terry's still not at at training camp and he's still
holding out, So how about Okay, So another guy you
just mentioned, Stefan Diggs or Cooper.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Cup, I have Digs right above him.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Okay, So yeah, Diggs is going right after Cooper Cup
in ADP. So yeah, I mean yeah, Shakir Jakobe Myers.
I would rather have those guys than Cooper Cup Myers
I think is so underrated.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Myers is so underrated. I actually said this on a show.
Myers should actually be drafted by every single person as
your wide receiver four get and you know what you do,
take your two core guys. Do whatever you want with
your three. Take a core dude, take a high upside
and by core guy, I mean like you know, like
Sutton is a core guy, Adams Wilson, blah blah blah

(44:18):
your three. I personally think you should take tet tetor rope.
You could take a Travis Hunter. You could take an
upside rookie guy. You could take an injured guy if
you want with the Chris godwins of the world, if
you believe the upside is going to bounce back. Every
scenario comes back to why would you not want Chakobe
Myers as at least a four in half or full PPR.
He's gonna get so many targets. He's the number one

(44:38):
wide out that's not brock Powers. He's the guy there.
Genae's gonna love him. I think Jacoby Myers makes so
much sense, and when you take him as well, you
have the ability to take later shots like I don't
think I would jump at taking like a Cooper Cup
after doing it, but I think getting a guy like
Myers who gives you that floor now again, if I
want to go and overdraft Agbuka or Kyle Williams for

(44:59):
up side, I just think Myers enables you to do
more fun things a little bit later at the wide
out position because he's such a great core wide out
that can be drafted as a wide receiver four. So
sorry to go on a thing, but like we were
just talking about him.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, well, I mean, but that's the reason why I
wanted to bring out Cup, because all these guys are
going after Cooper Cup, Jacobi Myers.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Myers are going after Cup. Yes, oh I have him
way ahead.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
But yeah, okay, Jwan Jennings wide receiver forty four, Jane
Reid wide receiver forty five, for your piersol Ride receiver
forty six.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I'm not drafting Cooper.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Cup when all these guys are available. Man, I can't, like,
I get the argument for him in a vacuum, but
we're never drafting these players in a vacuum. I know
we talk about that. You have to always look at
what's the opportunity to cost. You take Cooper Cup, that
means you're not taking Jane Reed or you're not taking
Ricky Piersoll unless you're you know, double tapping the position.
So that's something I keep in mind. I get the
arguments for a Cup, you can turn back the clock.

(45:52):
But I saw a guy that looked just way past
his prime last year, and I think that the reason
sat with the Seahawks is because it was a home coming
for him, not because he's like, oh, I'm slated to
have a monster season with Sam Darnell in an offense
that wants to run the football on first, second, and
third down. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
I mean, I'll say, every guy you mentioned except Jayden Reid,
I'm I have. I have like exceptionally high.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Everyone hates Jane Read.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I hate Jane Read, I hate packer'st.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I've lost Fantasy court twice defending jayde Reid.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Go to jail, go back, go to jail. Do not
collec two hundred dollars, No, no thanks, sixty percent usage,
No thanks, Matthew Golden, no thanks. I want no part
of him. But every other guy you mentioned, I have
exceptionally higher. So that's why Cut becomes a wide receiver. Five,
and that's about the only scenario where I end up
getting him. But it's really really fun conversation here. Hey,
Andrew Erickson's got a mock draft that's coming up here shortly,

(46:44):
So let's do a lightning round ericson if you're good,
just to get through some of these questions, again pointing
out great thing on the discord we have, like mock
draft mondays. We've got mock drafts and ams going crazy
in August and even on impromptu ones. So you want
to be around. So we want to get Eric's into
it here shortly, but let's try to get to a
few of these other questions. Are you ready to attempt this?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Do it?

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Okay? Fourteen Team one keeper Jamar Chase in the first,
Chase Brown in the eighth.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I'm just gonna keep Jamar Chase.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yes, sir, I don't care if it's the first round.
He is the best.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Just wondering who I should keep in a two keeper
PPR wide receiver two wide receiver. I'm keeping Chase for
my late first Who should I keep between BTJ and
the tenth McBride in the thirteenth, And it says I
would get to keep BTJ for two years and Tray
for one. Okay, so Brian Thomas would be two. McBride
would be one. They're both double digits, which one.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Brian Thomas. I think it matters that you're keeping in
from up.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
This is gonna be a tough one to lightning around.
I just thought this is an interesting question. Iaron Pirates said,
do you ever not follow your own rankings? Like if
you're on the clock you need a running back? When
would you take the quote not top running back on
your list?

Speaker 2 (47:59):
So I think that it goes down to if you're.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Probably construction right, like like a certain type of construction
of your team, maybe you might pivot off of your
ranks because you did something that's like, oh I don't
want to I need like, you know, safety, or I
need some more upside or something like that.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, I think that that's one way to look at it.
Is the roster construction. What do you need? Are you
looking for a bench stash or are you looking for
a bench starter production Talking about players, I brought him
up a couple of times, but Jack Dobbins JK. Dobbins
doesn't make a lot of sense on a team. If
he's my fifth running back, and I have four starting
running backs in front of him. Right, we know that

(48:37):
Dobbins his value is early season production that's probably gonna
tail off, So I'm not going to draft him on
a roster that can't take advantage of when he's most useful. Right,
So you could you could always trade him or something
like that. But usually going into a draft and being thinking, Okay,
I'm sure to trade all these players away usually doesn't
make sense, especially guys that fall, because if they fall
in drafts and you try to trade them as the

(48:58):
reason why they fell, and then nobody in the league
won that particular player, so you might not get me
a trade request for that certain player. The other thing
that I would say is when you're playing the ADP game,
So every site has an ADP that's listed on it,
So you may be trying to take a player that's
lower in your rankings but's highering the ADP, knowing that

(49:20):
that other player who you have ranked higher will still
fall back to you, where in the reverse situation, if
you don't take that other player, he may not fall
back to you. So that's the other reason you may
take a player that's ranked lower in your rankings. First,
if you're trying to get both players in a certain
ADP range, so that's obviously taking on more risk because

(49:41):
you're trying to thread the needle trying to get both guys.
What's helpful, though, is when you use the mock draft simulator,
it tells you, like a pick predictor, right, it tells
you a percentage on what's the odds that this player
is going to be drafted by the time your pick
comes up, So you want to use that in your
drafts while you're practicing to understand, Okay, I can't afford
to wait on a player versus nope, I got to

(50:03):
take him now or I'm going to lose him in
their next round.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
And also you could mark like how many times it's
successful and not, you know, like when you're kind of
playing that game. That's what's cool as well. You could
you know, say like, all right, I'm going to do
five and let's see how many times this works out
for me or doesn't. Using the pick predictor so a
pretty good way to do it. A couple tightening questions here,
as we're kind of rolling through this is a tough
one dynasty league. They've got Hawk and likely ten team

(50:26):
tight end premium. Should he target a guy like Ingram
or John Who as a contender when you already have Hawkinson?
I would say probably not. I mean I would want
I want Ingram frankly over Hawkinson. But I'm not sure
if you've already have that type of equity unless there's
nothing else out there, how do you I mean, I
want to say, like, no, don't pass up other stuff.

(50:48):
But if there's nothing really great because it's a dynasty,
then now maybe.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
I think I would just stick what's wrong with Hawkinson?

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, I don't know, it's fine. I just I really
like Ingram. Yeah, I don't think he's in a U.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
It's not that old. I'm pretty sure he's younger. And
then Evan Ingram is Evan Ingram's I know, is over
thirty years old. So I would stick with Hawkinson. He's
another year removed from the ACL. He's gonna have again
the three beat with the red Carpet Welsh kJ Hockinson.
There's no Jordan Adison for the first three weeks in
the season. Jefferson has missed the Bunch training camp with
a hamstring injury. Who do you think McCarthy's the number

(51:18):
one checkdown option. McCarthy love to throw the ball to
the tight end in Michigan. I think he's gonna love
to throw the ball at the tight end in Minnesota
with t J. Hawkinson, So I think, yes, obviously you're
taking on risk because Isaiah likely is going to be
probably not usable to start the year after his injury,
and obviously Mark Andrews is still a factor. But I
think Hawkinson's going to be more than serve some ball
as a fringed top five tight end to out of

(51:42):
the gates.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Okay, let's get these last two and punting tight end.
Would you prefer Loveland Craft or Warren.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Kraft Baby Craft Craft movie by number one? But I
really think that you should draft Craft and one of
the rookies as well. I think that those guys are
going too cheap. I would take shots on I would
draft multiple tight ends, and that's something that I've changed
my strategy on a little bit. I used to be
very much ride or die with my quarterback or my

(52:09):
late round tight end. When I found that if I
like two guys, just draft both of them, see how
things check out week one, and you get more shots
on goal.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
I love that way.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
That's the way I see and I learned it the
best way last year with quarterbacks, where I drafted Anthony
Richardson in the sixth or seventh round. We obviously know
how that ended up being. But you know why I
won the Fantasy league because I also drafted Jane Daniels
and that bailed me out. So I just don't don't
ever say no to just drafting good players regardless of position.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Last question, dynasty startup heavy Premium starters are heavy on
bench depth. Obviously a mix of both this ideal, but
it's a startup where do you lean This is kind
of like, you know, dynasty, not salary cap, but saying
like you know you want studs and scrubs or do
you want to have like a nice balanced roster. I'm
I'm going to lean in a dynasty startup, give me

(53:02):
the top end, give me the top end to try
to win. Now, a lot of people in dynasty get
a little no matter what sport, get hyper focused on
like I gotta have the future and I got to
have this in the youth and stuff. And you get
these just like great older players that are going to
start fall like a Devontae Adams maybe an aj Brown
like those guys could kind of fall in that type
of format. So give me like a really premium starter

(53:23):
setup over trying to get a lot of bench depth
because over time you're going to build that up. Any
different thoughts on that in the dynasty.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
No, I think I agree you want to get those
premium guys, and I think doesn't that Welsh and I
know you obviously have a lot of dynasty background from
the baseball side of things. Don't you want to stay
out of mediocrity. Wouldn't you rather be the best team
with the best players, or if all those best guys suck,
then you're the worst team, But now you can rebuild
from the bottom up. So again, you want to stay
out of the middle as much as you can. So

(53:51):
I think that going with a top tier approach either
puts you in the upside case we're going to be
top three, or you're in the bottom case with your
bottom three. But in the long run, that's not necessarily
the worst position to be. And the worst position is
to finish sixth in your twelve man league. That is
that is stone cold the worst situation. First to last, baby,
let's go.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, And I've been I have a singular dynasty league.
I've been doing for ten years in football, so I've
been doing dynasty football for a long time. And yes,
I want to take advantage in all formats. I want
to win now. And that is built around getting the
premium of premium, all right, friends, that is going to
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