The Extra Point: Useful Advanced Stats, Trade Proposals, and Tough Sit/Start Decisions (Ep. 1721)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's Up, friends, and welcome in too, Fantasy Pros, the
Fantasy Football Podcast, the live Discord Show. This is the
extra point. I am Chris Welsh. Not joined by Andrew
ericson this week. Andrew had to take care of some stuff.
So when Andrew's out, I don't want to say we
can hit the upgrade button because Andrew's my boy. But

(00:21):
I don't think you guys are gonna be disappointed when
Pat fitz Morris is in the house. We got Pat
in here. FITZI is going to be joining me for
the extra point, answering your questions. The show you guys
produce FITZI. I don't think we've done a Discord show together,
so what's up? But the Discord community is absolutely used
to you because you are definitely one of our regulars
that jump on these Discord pods.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yes, sir, love these Discord shows. Well, Shanda, you know, seriously,
you gotta admit I'm a downgrade.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
No, no, dude, you guys are this great combination. I
mean I would continuously say this, like the rank show
that we do, I'm honored to be in. Like my
third year, I think hosting it it was kind of
like Pseudo the very first time, and then I was
full time last year. This is the best iteration of it.
You and Ericson are an incredibly great combination to have,

(01:08):
so like there literally couldn't be somebody better if Ericson
can't make this show, which is definitely this has become
our show. It's great to have you in here. But
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(01:30):
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Are you ready?

Speaker 3 (02:26):
A lot of people with questions, Let's get to them.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Week three starts now Nick Lowry. Nick is first up
on the show this week.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
What's up?

Speaker 6 (02:35):
Nick?

Speaker 5 (02:36):
Doing well?

Speaker 7 (02:37):
Guys?

Speaker 8 (02:37):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (02:38):
We're doing?

Speaker 5 (02:38):
Good?

Speaker 9 (02:38):
Brother?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
What you got sure?

Speaker 8 (02:40):
I have two questions. One is for my RB two
spot on my very rookie heavy team, so I'm between
Henderson and Scatibo there. And then the second question I've
got in my dynasty one. I got to start four
receivers in PPR and the options are aj Brown, London, Higgins, Mconkey,

(03:02):
like Buka, who I know is questionable right now, and
Metcalf Okay.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
So how many of those receivers do we need? Four?

Speaker 10 (03:12):
Four?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (03:15):
So I think at this point you got to probably
bench at Buka until you hear otherwise, don't you think?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I think so?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
And then Metcalf is I think at the bottom, well,
I think he said Higgins. Higgins versus Metcalf, I think
is kind of debatable. I'm a Higgins guy, but I
wonder if you're not.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I'm not this week.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I think he's going to be fine With Jake Browning,
he was like wide receiver twenty five and fantasy points
per game when they played five games together at the
end of the twenty twenty three season. I'm a little
terrified by the spot though, Like, I just don't think
the Vikings are playing two bad games in a row
at US Bank Stadium, and I have a feeling Brian
Flores is going to have something extra special cooked up
for Jake Browning in his first start of twenty twenty five.

(03:57):
So yeah, I would start Metcalf there, and I think
I also starts London aj Brown and Ladd was.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
That is that little something called blitz, blitz, blitz, lots
of blitz.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
A little bit, Yeah, a whole lot of that.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I think it's just, you know, I really do think
the Vikings are going to be breathing fire in that game.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
And I gotta imagine the Bengals are not in.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
The best of head spaces after losing their star quarterback
for the season. They have to know they're not getting
to the Promised Land this year with no Joe Burrow,
so that's got to be kind of a tough thing
for them to deal with. And then this this tough
road matchup. Like I don't I don't feel good about
this game for the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, I've been a little bit more narrative based. I'm
fine with going Metcalf, but I do kind of think,
like with an inexperienced quarterback like this, one of the
things you do. He was so heavy on Jamar Chase
early on. I think you take Jamar Chase out and
that leaves opportunities for t Higgins, who he hit with
with a touchdown. So that's why I kind of like him.
He got really great options. If you're if you got

(04:57):
a little bit of fear, take out Higgins and then obviously,
like you know, Egbuka is injuried right now, so we'll
come back to that. The other question is a really
good one. It is a running back wide receipt or
it was the two running backs, Cam'skataboo versus Travion Henderson,
and I think that's a pretty good debate. In general,
I believe the consensus ranks I'm pulling up right now
is in favor of uh who. I didn't realize this.

(05:20):
It's a favor of Travion by one spot at thirty four,
Cams Kataboo's at thirty five. We have the this is
really interesting if you guys haven't seen this, but we've
got the bust and upside ratings next to our ranks
now fantasypros dot Com slash rankings, and this is, you know,
like an aggregated piece here that also shows Travion not
only has a four out of five upside, it's a

(05:41):
five out of five bus potential. So what that might
be telling you when they're right next to each other
is Cam might be safer even though it's not a
great matchup because he got usage. Travion has so much
upside because the Steelers absolutely get burned by big plays
and Trayvion can do that, but he doesn't get volume.
If you're picking one Travion or Cam, where you're going.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I'm going Travanu, Travon, excuse me, Graveon Henderson. I just
it's a really tough matchup for Skataboo. I wish he.
I wish he had an easier matchup because this is
the backfield take over we were waiting for, and we
didn't have to wait long. But the Chiefs are just
so consistently outstanding against the run. And meanwhile, Pittsburgh has

(06:24):
gotten clocked by both of the two best runners from
the twenty twenty two draft class, first Breese Hall and
then Kenneth Walker, both running rough shot over the Steelers
run defense. The ones vaunted Steelers run defense not looking
really good. So I I just think it's a better
spot for Henderson.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'm down with Henderson as well. I don't think the
upside is great enough with Cam to care about any floor.
If you're playing upside with both, you would go with
Travion's a good question, DVR or Aaron Well's up dude?
What as soon as you get up on the stage,
what is question number two? For the what's up? Aaron?

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Are you there?

Speaker 1 (07:04):
This is your mother? All right, Aaron? Get your audio
fixed and you can raise your hand and I will
bring you right back up. We move on to Pips,
premium member of the Fantasy Pros discord. What's up, Pips?

Speaker 7 (07:17):
What's some guys?

Speaker 4 (07:18):
What's up? What you?

Speaker 9 (07:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, we got you?

Speaker 7 (07:21):
Okay? So how's my team looking?

Speaker 9 (07:25):
So?

Speaker 7 (07:26):
My QB is Jared go RB one is Bucky Irving.
RB two is Travis dtm Junior Wide receiver one is
c d Lamb. Wide Receiver two is BTJ. My tight
end Zach Ertz. I got him off the waiver list.
On my flex, I have Ze Flowers and my DST

(07:48):
is the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
So you want like a grade?

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (07:54):
That and like if I some suggestions for trades if
I need to make any.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Oh, I mean, I think that's a whole nother show
brother on suggestions for trades on that, Like, I think
from a roster construction standpoint, it looks pretty good. Probably
should have asked if that was like a ten or
a twelve team. I'm assuming that's like a twelve team.
Ertz is the only like maybe question mark if you
had like say, Flowers is like a flex those are
It's a good like starting lineup in general, he said,

(08:21):
ten teams. So, FITZI is there anything you want to
throw out, like as an adjustment in a ten team
league based off of what Pip's had.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
No, I mean I don't. I don't dislike it.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
No, I would have given it being a twelve team
or maybe like a C in a ten teamer Not bad,
Like I stay the course with BTJ, like I do,
think things are going to get better and hopefully ETN
continues to maintain the value he's had through two weeks.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
You know, I'm a little bit worried about BTJ this week,
but not much you can do about it. Yeah, I
might also suggest, like you can be a little bit
more aggressive on the waiver wire to see if you
hit trade wise, like it's a horrible time for for
like trading BTJ.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
So is it?

Speaker 1 (09:04):
And by the way, do we need to get this
up here? This is Terrell. I'm gonna we're gonna jump
the line here. The hell is Terrell doing in here?
What are you doing? I saw I saw a really rell.
I saw a hand raised and then I saw a
little oh first time long time, No big deal, just
betting pros own Trell Furman, what's up? What's up?

Speaker 9 (09:23):
Duding?

Speaker 11 (09:23):
Nothing much, man, nothing much came through. Saw y'all was going.
I was actually looking at my own line up, and
I was like, oh, what should I do? And I
was like, I wonder if anybody's on right now? Sure
of course, Wellson, Pat are on right now.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
We're here for you, all right, So what's the what
do you got?

Speaker 12 (09:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (09:38):
Yeah, I got a full PPR league. I'm I need
a RB two. I'm looking at either Bill cross Mirror
against the Raiders or Quinn Shawn Jerkins against the Packers.
I will say I do have Dylan Sampson as well.
That is an option.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Okay. So before we answer that, though, I have two
questions for you on the betting side. If Bill Krofsky
rushing yard pro I have not I've looked at some
of them. I don't think they're all posted. If Bill
is forty point five over under on rushing yards, and
if Judkins has a total yard marker of forty point

(10:17):
five over under, for both of those, for you.

Speaker 11 (10:20):
I think I would feel it. I would definitely play Judkins.
I just think he's gonna get so much work.

Speaker 13 (10:28):
Man.

Speaker 11 (10:28):
He was on the field for twenty snaps and and
he got the ball thirteen of them back. So yeah, yeah,
tough matchup. But like what if he pops like he
I don't know. So that's why I feel like my
concern is that. But I do I feel a lot
better about Judkins on just pure rushing yards. I think
the Bill Crosskey mirrit is also the passing game work

(10:49):
that he could get as well.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, so that's interesting. So I'm gonna throw this to you, Pat,
I put point out a scenario to Bogman. Don't be
surprised this week when Bill Krosskey's usage doesn't jump to
the level that everybody thinks because Jeremy McNichols, Jeremy McNichols
just becomes Austin Eckler. That's the thing that I don't
think enough of us are accounting for that I am

(11:13):
worried about. So in the passing game, I think if
they drop, just as a betting thing, by the way,
if they drop any like one point five receptions on
Jeremy McNichols, count it for me because I think he
will just jump into that Eckler role. But that's where
my worry is. Then Pat, you go over to the
Junkins side. There's no question Judkins looks like the best.
Drome Ford Bye bye, peace out, Dylan Samson. Great in

(11:35):
the passing game, Judkins five mistackles forced out of ten carries.
He looks great, But it's just not a great matchup
against your Green Bay Packers. So, Pat, if you're picking
between these and fantasy, I don't think there is a
clear answer. I think the talent is in favor of Judkins,
but it is a horrifically bad matchup, and there's a
lot we just kind of don't know about Bill Krosky.

(11:56):
And the last thing I'm going to point out forty
one point five is the rushing yard prop for Jutkins,
which I'm actually surprised about. I kind of thought that
might be the full marker. And then I'm we're just
doing Vegas here, So bear with me for one second.
We do not have Bill Krossky, so we take it
to you, Pat.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
And Krossky Merrit doesn't have the easiest matchup himself. The
Raiders have actually been pretty good. They've allowed I think
just ninety seven rushing yards to running backs for the
first two games and three point three yards per carry.
So Rundy has been pretty tough right now. I've got
Jikory Krossky merrit slightly ahead in half point PPR rankings

(12:36):
and in full point PPR. I consider it almost like
a dead heat. And I know this doesn't really help you, Terrell,
but like we saw Judkins get three catches in his
first first NFL game, three catches, Bill is still looking
for his first NFL reception. So I think the format

(12:56):
favors quinshow a little bit.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Man.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, I mean I'd probably take Quinch. Like if the Browns.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Just let Joe Flacco drop back forty five times against
Micah Parsons in company, like that just seems like a
recipe for disaster, Like they have to least make an
earnest attempt to run the ball. So I'm kind of
feeling it with Quinnchawn here over Bill.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah. The one thing I throw out too, is I
do think there's just as a little aside. If you've
got Daniels who does play, you would imagine they're gonna
not want him to run. If they don't have him playing,
you gotta imagine they're gonna want to run and not
like run with running backs and not throw the ball
a bunch. So there is some rushing equity. I think
that's in favor of Bill Krosky Merritt in a better matchup.

(13:47):
But Judkins is the playmaker. And then I think a
side caveat is if we know a suspension is coming,
why not just use the absolute living hell out of Judkins,
like right now, like because if it's gonna be out
for a couple of weeks, like get him going. I
think Judkins is the upside play. I think Bill is
the safety play. That's how I would personally approach it.
So you know all of our fantasy teams were trying

(14:07):
to figure that out. By the way, where can we
find you this weekend, mister Treil Furman. What you got
going on over betting pros this weekend?

Speaker 7 (14:14):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (14:14):
Well, We've got a lot going on this weekend. I'm
actually gonna make sure that I'm locked in college football.
I were we We've we've got a card. We've got
a card. Uh what do I want to give out here?
Let me see what you're gonna.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Give a play?

Speaker 1 (14:29):
You're gonna give a pub We got the college football?

Speaker 11 (14:32):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna give a look. I've been Matt
Ruhle in his third season at Temple ten plus games,
third season at Baylor one nine straight, was ranked I
think like top ten in the nation, ten plus games,
win one. He's in his third season at Nebraska right now,
He's going up against the top twenty five team that

(14:53):
I'm telling you is not a top twenty five team.
I'm not a believer in Michigan. I think that the
program has no idea what they're doing. They just fired
the coach. It's a talented quarterback, but young quarterback on
the route. So Nebraska I think is gonna win out right.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Oh all right, there you go. That's good. Are you
on Are you doing any of the I don't know.
Are you on the Sunday shows at all? Are you
doing anything on VP?

Speaker 11 (15:16):
I don't think I'm on the VP. Scuse let me go,
well shoot, let me go check the whole shirt, make
sure nobody's.

Speaker 10 (15:21):
Listening to this.

Speaker 11 (15:22):
Let me go check the schedule to make sure I'm
not on the clock this weekend. But either way, you
know my hat, I find a home wherever, so you'll
find me on the fantasy crow side, the betting gro side,
all season.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
That's right. Keep doing it, Trell Furman, our dude. We
appreciate you. Brothers appreciate you hanging out with us as well.
And go check him out. If you're doing some college betting,
you got some some big betting for the NFL questions.
Trell has got you covered. Love having Trell in here.
That's fun, that's fun. I like that, dude. Nebraska straight up,
you got you gotta like you got the conus for
that bet Fitz.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
They have a really nice quarterback and Ryola. Yeah, like,
I'm I'm on board.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
You mean my home is two point zero?

Speaker 9 (16:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:03):
All right, we keep going back down. Let's thank you
to Trell. Aaron's back. Let's see if Aaron's got all
his stuff fixed. What's up? Oh no, no, strike two.
This is disappointing. IVR. Go into the settings and do
the double check. I'm very disappointed this is that's one
of our regulars. It's one of our regulars. And get

(16:25):
that fixed, baby, all right. Next up is perception, perception
in the house. What's up? Unmute?

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Hey, guys, thanks for getting me on here.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Absolutely dude.

Speaker 10 (16:36):
Hey, I've got a question about which I have three
wide receivers. But I can only keep two of them
on my bench, and I want to know who you'd
keep going forward. This is for full PPR. We got
Josh Downs, Troy Franklin, and Elic Iomanner.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
So you can only keep one of these on your bench?

Speaker 3 (16:55):
No, I can. I can keep two.

Speaker 10 (16:57):
I currently I have Downs in Franklin, but I am
just sitting on Waivers, and I could pick him up
if I wanted to. But I don't really want to
drop anyone else besides maybe those first two receivers, so
I can keep two of the three.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Well do you think, Fitzi's a great question. Downs does
not get the workload that we kind of expected under
Daniel Jones. I miner looks like he could be the
number one on that team. And I think if Troy
Franklin does this again, we might be looking We legitimately
might be looking at such a I don't want to
get dramatic about it, but a massively sneaky wide receiver

(17:30):
this year, and how they're using Troy Franklin. But what
does the great Pat Fitzmorris say.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I've got all these guys within about like five or
six spots of each other. My rest of season rankings Whilsh.
I would make a case at Downs should be the
drop here because I just don't think there is huge upside.
This guy's not a prolific touchdown scorer through his career

(17:57):
at all. I think he's got something like what seven
career touchdowns and like forty some career games. I think
the arrival of Tyler Warren just really knee kept own
for the record seven touchdowns thirty three games.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Sorry, Like, I think.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Tyler Warren really just guts the value of Josh Downs,
Like he is going to get a lot of those
short and intermediate targets that Josh Downs was getting before.
Plus Michael Pittman healthy after playing with a broken back
last year. He is like the you know, the he's
more the medium range guy. Alec Pierce is the designated

(18:35):
lid lifter and you know, like crazy talent with Adni
Mitchell who's like the fourth receiver. And now, I just
don't think there's much upside for Downs, like he'll have
his his games where he.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
You know, pops off a big gain.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I just think, like in a managed league as opposed
to like best ball, I just don't see when you're
ever going to feel good about starting him, whereas Iam
Manner has won less target than Calvin Ridley. Right now,
he's one off the team target lead. Franklin. I mean,
I don't expect Courtland Sutton to have many more one
catch games, but like we have seen Troy Franklin draw

(19:14):
a lot of targets right now, I'd kind of like
to ride the wave with those two rookies. Excuse me,
Franklin's not a rookie, but those two youngster point and yeah,
and just see where they go, because I think the
upside for downs is really capped.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, I agree with you, I mean in full PPR,
like yeah, maybe you know, like you can make the
case for downs, But my problem would be is like
how Franklin is used. I think he's in a good
spot to catch anywhere from three to five per week,
three on a bad low, five to six on a high.
I mean, what eight this past week targets, and I

(19:46):
mind are outside of also the target share looking like
a true number two. He's a big air yard guy,
and I think there's just better upside. So I'm totally
fine getting rid of downs for alk and And and
Franklin very aggressive on Franklin this week, where I was
given the opportunity to so very good question. All right, Cam,
Cam's next up in the house. Premium member of Fantasy

(20:08):
Pros discord Again, you don't have to have a premium
membership to come and hang out in these rooms, but
it gets you access to everything. Someone had asked that earlier.
Unmute Cam and hit us with your question.

Speaker 9 (20:19):
Hey, y'all, I was wondering, what do you guys think
about my running backs? I have Chase Brown, Javonte Williams.

Speaker 13 (20:34):
Why am I blanking on the rest?

Speaker 14 (20:36):
Jalen Warren, T Pollard? And I just picked up base
Shall two in the other day. Yes, just curious what
you guys think like rest this season?

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Twelve or ten twelve team twelve half PPR full full perfect.
All right, so a lot of good depth, maybe lacking
like a high high power, Yeah, yeah, high upside. Like
I'm still very baffled in the whole Chase Brown stuff,
Whereas like, I mean, you you can't tell me there

(21:14):
was another more buzzy running back leading into the season
who's kind of fading, and I think the prospects look
a little bit worrisome. Now you have a lot of
decisions sometimes that depth thing. The problem can be fits
is like when you don't have the definitives and then
you're trying to make like the choices, you end up
making the wrong choices. But Javante is still in like
a really really good spot. What do you think about

(21:35):
this running back situation? How do you view it for
rest of season? And if there's something negative? Is there
a move that you would want to make getting off
of somebody going to target something? What do you think?

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, I mean kind of what you said Wilsh like,
I'd like Cam's depth here at running back, Like four
people you could play any week pretty much because of
the workload with you know, Chase Brown, Pollard, Warren and
Javante and then Touton could come on and certainly would

(22:08):
be immensely valuable if anything happened to Etn.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
So I like this.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I think you're just kind of playing matchups. I still
think Chase Brown is the anchor. Hopefully the efficiency starts
to come up, because Chase Brown is averaging two point
four yards per carry right now, But Chase Brown has
also had thirty seven carries and four catches.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
With six targets so far.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Like that's the same usage we were getting late last
season when he was absolutely smashing. So you know, Javante
has looked better than I thought he's going to look.
And maybe the Dallas offense as too. That's good Pollard
has had I think thirty eight carries not getting used
in the passing game as much as you like. That
looks good for least another couple of weeks until tij

(22:51):
Spears comes off ir and maybe that changes the balance
of power and Jalen Warren, I mean, I think he's
got twenty five carries and getting heavy U usage in
the passing game, and Aaron Rodgers was just saying that
he needs to throw the ball to Jalen warn more often.
So I think you're just kind of mixing and matching
every week. And so I would recommend looking at Fantasy

(23:14):
pro ZCR if you want to look at the pad
Fits Moore's weekly rankings, you know, to figure out who
you should be going with every week. But like, I
think this is workable, and maybe maybe if there's anyone
who's like really grossly thin at running back in your
league you could and has like one good one, you
could approach someone with the idea of a two for

(23:35):
one trade.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, and I might look at Pollard two with spears
coming back. Other context for this week, Cam, four of
your running backs rank inside the ECR Top twenty four,
so if that makes you feel good. So from a
death perspective, you are at least rocking one of them.
Chase Brown ranks as an RB one. The other three
are all RB twos, so you can mix and match.

(23:57):
You can put it flex, maybe you can take advance.
Like I said, maybe Pollard is someone I might target
moving off of with spears coming back, Tooton is a
really great player to hold on to in case something happens.
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What's up, Rico? I think these should typically come in
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gotta like, unmute yourself. Oh no, Rico, unmute going once,

(25:25):
going twice? You sold? Sorry, Rico, re raise your hand.
We'll get you back up. You unfortunately sold the bag.
I feel bad, feel bad, and you sell the bag,
but we'll get you back up. If you can figure
that out. Matt. What's up, Matt? Please don't sell Matt.
It's all on you. It's a very important moment in
the show.

Speaker 9 (25:45):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
You guys got me boom win or winner? What's up? Brother?

Speaker 12 (25:49):
I've never really used Discord on mobile.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
So yeah, I know it's all good. We had that
sometimes ericson and I will do the video for this,
so if anyone have hangs out in Discord, like, you
can see us so we can hang out. And I
did the other day. I was like, I was like
an old man. I'm like, hell, do I turn this
thing on? There's literally a button at the bottom as
his turn on camera. So I get it. What do

(26:12):
you got for us for fantasy?

Speaker 12 (26:14):
I got two quick ones. Would you start Garrett Wilson
or Ted McMillan in your flex this week?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Okay?

Speaker 12 (26:22):
Second of all, I have DeVonta Smith, and I sent
out a trade for Terry mccauran, but Terry mclaurran owner
one for one and they accepted it. I'm not really sure.
I kind of just threw it out there. I feel
like I got the better end of it because I'm
not a big fan of the Eagles pass game. But
I mean Washington with Daniels, you know, I'm not really

(26:45):
sure what's gonna happen with that.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, all right, so let's talk about great questions, man,
what let's let's work our way backwards. Then what do
you think about Smith versus McLaurin. My incident reaction to say,
it's it's pretty linear, Like it's about the same. I agree.
I also have not loved the passing game aspects of
the Eagles, but I also don't love McLaurin and how
most of his meat is from the high end, like

(27:12):
deep ball game, and with Daniels that's a little bit lacking.
Deebo's taking up a lot of the short stuff. I
kind of look at this as like a linear move.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
But what do you think, Pat with Daniels it's lacking.
What about with Cliff Kingsbury it's lacking Welsh? Yeah, Patton
did Cliff Kingsbury horizontal passing game.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
I still I.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Do think this was, yeah, pretty close to an even deal.
But I do have Terry McLaurin ranked wide receiver twenty
one in my Rest of season in rankings and Devonte Smith.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
At wide receiver twenty four. There you go, And yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I think things are going to get a little better
for the Eagles passing game, although I don't know. Things
haven't looked real exciting under Kevin Pattillo so far. I'm
kind of telling because DeVante Smith, for one, usually has
good games when Dallas Scoddard didn't play, usually crushes the Chiefs.
Think he had three hundred and ninety yards and four

(28:09):
career games against the Chiefs going into last week and
only had like fifty one yards or.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Something like that.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
So yeah, I feel good about that trade. And then
as far as Tetereroe McMillan versus Garrett Wilson, Man, if
you're gonna leave one of these guys in the bench
talk about first world problems, I've got Garrett Wilson ranked
two spots higher than McMillan. Falcons are kind of a
tough matchup, man. Their defenses looked fantastic so far, and

(28:36):
their run defense was always kind of sneaky good. But
their pasty actually looked great too. I mean, I know,
JJ McCarthy kind of made them look great last week.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
But much improved.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
They have a pass rush now, so I just I
prefer Garrett Wilson. I don't think there's much of a
drop off from Justin Fields to Tyrod Taylor in terms
of passing, and in fact, I think like Tyrod's last
two starts.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
In the NFL have been like at.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Least two seventy passing yards or whatever. And he came
in last week and looked fine through a couple of
touchdown passes.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
So yeah, I would roll with Garret Wilson.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I'm a little bit worried about the backup quarterback in there,
but Wilson ranks higher an ECR thirteen versus Tetoa at nineteen.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Defensively also the matchup.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, Bucks sort of have a pass funnel defense too.
It's really hard to run on Tampa. So I wouldn't
be surprised if I ride kind of aired it out
this week.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yep. And I will also, for future reference, probably shy
away from using the term meet when explaining anybody's usage,
just for everybody, just for all future usage. So if
anybody of you were thinking that, I thought it as
I said it as well. All right, where were we? Oh,
let's try Rico again. Rico, can you don't sell twice?

(29:58):
Aaron's got twice? Unmute Rico? Please, it's very disappointing week.
It's very disappointing week. Two strikes going once, going twice.
Rico he sold, he sold, Rico, like just you know,
poor went out for Rico. All Right, skim milk, what's

(30:21):
up skim versus whole? Let's hold this question.

Speaker 13 (30:24):
What's up?

Speaker 9 (30:25):
Dude?

Speaker 5 (30:26):
All Right? So this is gonna be kind of a
crazy question. I'm full PPR eighteen team league right now,
So I guess my question to start is, what do
you guys think of the QB issue that I got
going on? I justin fields he you know, can cussed.

(30:51):
I managed to pick up Lawrence as a backup QB.
But I don't know, like maybe there's uh, I'm just
kind of looking at what's available. There's Tyrod, Taylor, Carson Wentz.
Do you guys think Trevor Lawrence is probably the best
bet right now? Or yeah, somebody else?

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, I think my brain fried. So you have Trevor
Lawrence and you're looking at like these kind of crappier options.
If we're worried about Trevor Lawrence? Is there anything there
isn't like a mac Jones or anything sitting out there?
Is there?

Speaker 4 (31:24):
No?

Speaker 5 (31:24):
No, Unfortunately, there's yeah, Mariota, there's no.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
No, no, I'm not. Lawrence is ranked sixteen this week.
I don't think it's like the particularly best matchup in
the world, but the garbage quarterbacks that are taking over.
I think you could argue Carson Wentz is in a
really interesting situation simply because it's against Cincinnati's defense that stinks.
You do have Jefferson, You've got those guys, but there's
so many big questions and he's new to the team.

(31:51):
Browning is in I don't think a great matchup, though
he obviously has good pieces. So if you're just battling
all those guys, nothing is going to shine me away
from Lauren. It's regardless of my worry of like Brian
Thomas and stuff. He still has weapons. But FITZI you
tell me otherwise if you like like one of those dudes.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I've actually got Tyrod Taylor rank two spots ahead of
Trevor Lawrence this week, just because of that factor of
the pass funnel Buccaneers defense. Tyrod having I think he's
a pretty good backup, and he offers some rushing upside,
But then again, like I two spots, it's pretty negligible

(32:29):
in the rankings. Don't love the matchup for Trevor Lawrence. Obviously,
the the Texans can just unleash hell fire off the
edges with Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter, and you know,
having Stingley Junior in the secondary, it's a really good defense.
Trevor Lawrence not clicking with Brian Thomas Junior. Travis Hunter

(32:51):
is just catching balls around the line of scrimmage and
not really doing much after the catch. So I'm not
real excited about the Jags passing game. Have a hunch
that Tyrod's gonna have a better week, but it's pretty
close there. And if you want to just roll with
Trevor Lawrence rather than go into the trouble of picking
up someone else, I think that's fine.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
All right, thank you guys. I I got one more
for you. It's a kicker questions. So it's gonna be quick.
But lutz and little Last last week I asked about
let's a little and I got completely destroyed. But what
do you guys think of this week?

Speaker 15 (33:29):
Little whip?

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Sorry I got job whips? Oh no, the kick went right,
I got you out. Sorry, I kicker questions. That's all.
That's all you Fitzy. I think we went to the
consensus last time. Little is ranked higher. They're going up
against Houston, they could struggle, and the hell was the
other one? Lut's denver. I think this is easy Little.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
I have a little ranked a little, a little higher.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I don't rank Kicker. I'm not not that. I'm not
trying to pull a Ceili in here, but I'm good.
I'm completely good. I'm not ranking those guys the almighty, Eric,
this is a big this is a big boost here, Eric,
what's up?

Speaker 15 (34:07):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Even unmuted? But there's no man, what's something? The air
today for week three not as almighty as we were
being sold. Go check your mike, Eric, and then come back.
You guys can all do that. By the way, there's
a nice little setting in their user settings and it
can confirm if everything's working. But we raise your hand
and get you right back in. Just you at least
did unmute, which I appreciate. Let's go to dead years.

(34:32):
Well's suck.

Speaker 16 (34:35):
So this year I've noticed, like, I feel like we
have a lot more players that are going true stud
and the week to week, yeah, like two points one
week thirteen, sixteen, twenty, the other week, I got Calvin Austin,
Troy Franklin, Derrick Henry Hollywood Brown. What kind of deeper

(34:58):
stat sets are you looking it to help differentiate between
like what's the fluke and what's real.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
That's a pretty big like theory question, I would, I mean, fit,
You're gonna be much better to speak at this just
to say, like, I think the most important thing maybe
to start with, just for a second, is it is
very small sample size. So what is real and what
is fluke? I think is is very very speculative fantasy
points data I think is like a huge help. I

(35:25):
know FITZI really loves like some FTN stuff with the EPA.
I would say, like, I get pretty hyper focused right
now on first read. If we're looking at wide receivers,
I'm looking at like first read, I'm looking at target percentage.
I'm looking at air yard shares. As far as running
backs go, I'm paying attention to snaps. I'm looking at

(35:46):
broken tackles. I'm looking at like it's essentially it's efficiency.
Whether the usage is that like ken Walker's like a
good prime example of that, I don't know if I'm
doing a really great job at selling it. I think
at the end of the day, it's really difficult because
it's small sample sizes.

Speaker 13 (35:59):
Fit.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
You're much better than me here. To expand on that
kind of theory question about trying to decipher these like
ups and downs, especially of elite players and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
No, I think you did a great job with it, Welsh.
We're looking at the usage stats, snaps, targets, air yards, routes, run,
targets per route run, who's just doing calisthenics, and who's
actually drawing throws? You know, so I think all of
those things everything that if you look at the usage stats,

(36:35):
you almost don't need to look at the surface stats
to see who you should be playing, you know, because
someone can pop on. Like if you look at the
surface stats, you would think DeAndre Hopkins is like a
viable play this week. He ran seven routes last week,
you know, like, yes, he scored a touchdown and he's
scored a couple of touchdowns. But like you got to

(36:57):
go with the guys who are getting used a lot,
and just to what something Skim Milk said about like
seeing like we're getting like these volatile weekly some guy
smashes one Courtland's Sutton perfect example, like first week, typical
Courtland Sutton nine targets, six catches for like sixty eight
yards or something like that, and a touchdown. One catch

(37:19):
for six yards last week. But in the off season,
it just seems like we look at the season long
stats from the year before and we, I don't know,
we get it in our heads that we think like
production is going to be consistent during the season. No,
it's all over the place, even for the great players.
I mean, everyone was drafting Jamar Chase one oh one
or one oh two in the off season and he

(37:40):
fires out with a twenty yard game in Week one. Yeah,
Fantasy Football's crazy, man.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I'll throw another little thing. I know this isn't like
quite cause I think you were maybe being a little
bit more hyper focused on like, hey, you know these
guys that we really like and then they stink and
then they're good for one week and what I know
that like there was a little bit of a focus there,
But like, let me turn it a little bit. I
think a lot of people are asking questions about Romadunsay.
You know, it's been a couple of good weeks. You've
got he's an theory number two versus a number one.

(38:08):
Dj More was drafted higher. So you might be like,
all right, so what would you do to try to
figure out if you believe that romadun Say is real
and or could be better than Djmore? What would be
the process? Or maybe why do people like him? I
have him at twelve this week? I really like Romadune Say,
so why? Okay? This is all According to Fantasy Points data,
he is sixth in air yard share in the NFL

(38:31):
right now, forty six point four percent. Absolutely ridiculous. He
has two hundred and sixty air yards ridiculous. Moving forward,
a twenty eight percent target share. It's a great target
share so far. Obviously those things are going to level
out almost thirteen yards per reception out there while having
a decent yak. But then here's the other two that

(38:53):
I would really start to focus on as well. A
ten percent design percentage, so they're designing plays for him
and he he is up there with I just went
away from it. I believe it's a thirty three percent
where the hell let it go? Yeah, thirty three percent
first read share. So as a wide receiver that is
seeing an uptick in touchdowns, he's getting first read at
over thirty percent for his team. He is a top

(39:16):
air yard guy in general. He is closing in on
a thirty percent target percentage on an offense that is
having to throw the ball a little bit more. So,
those are some things that would help us start to determine,
like the reality of a player being able to maybe
in this case be a lower level player, can he
hold this production? I would tend to start to say, like, yes,

(39:37):
I think based on what this is, this tells me
like Roman Dunees is taking the next level. That's only
one version. I think of a breakdown of what you
were getting at are you? Are you kinda with that one? Fitzy,
Like the same thing could be said, like Franklin and
Imin are, by the way, both over forty percent airyard share,
They're both over twenty percent target percentage. They both also

(40:01):
are average around twenty five percent first read. So it's like,
do we like those guys? Well, so far it is
a small sample size, but those guys are seeing like
high level first read. They're seeing like high level stretching
the field, They're getting targets like those are things that
make us really like buy into this stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
And the indicators have been really good on Odeon'sday. As
you mentioned Welsh, the only slight hesitation I have with
him is that it wouldn't shock me if he led
the Bears in targets this year, but I would be
a little shocked if he continued to out targets Djmore
by a two to one margin. That's the only thing

(40:42):
I'm thinking might normalize a little bit. Although in fairness,
Caleb and DJ Moore have just never been on the
same page and DJ Moore's body language all last season
was just awful. Something is not right there, so maybe
it does continue to be like this. But yeah, and
it's a great spot for Odoonsday. I mean, the Cowboys'
best cornerback, Deron Bland is out this week. That came

(41:05):
as an over under a forty nine and a half.
That should be a complete track made.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, so that was kind of fun. That was a
really good question. Kind of lets us just like have
a little bit of that like openness to tell you
some of the process. There's lots of guys, but I
know this didn't quite like I said, cover the inefficiency,
like Brian Thomas might be like a prime example of
like you know, you know, well, I mean, really the
first two weeks have been a disappointment, but that that's

(41:31):
I think in where we are looking to kind of
decipher consistency, but also two weeks it's it's really difficult too.
Like I was ready to be like ken Walker sinks
after week one and week two he looked, he looked great,
and he barely had any snaps. So it's like, well,
you look at efficiency of week two and then you
give me more snaps. We're back. We're back with ken Walker,

(41:51):
so you go.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
And by the way, well Skimmel also had a real
quick question you forgot. He says he has both Pollard
and ty J Spears, be looking to trade one of
them for another good player. Would it be worth having
both of them? I wouldn't be surprised if that turned
into something like a split backfield, and it might not
be the most valuable split backfield because cam Ward is
not throwing to Tony Pollard right now. He might be

(42:14):
one of those mobile quarterbacks who tends not to check
down to his running backs very often. And the Tech
Titans offense just is not going to be high octan.
I don't think there's a lot of touchdown equity there.

Speaker 7 (42:26):
So.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
That could be messy.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I'm not opposed to trying to move one or both
of those guys.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think Sperience has any
value right now, but I kind of alluded and I
think Cam's question, I'm open to moving off of Pollard
because the spears coming up here in the very near future.
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(43:59):
like the last fifteen minutes, so it's not a lightning round,
but to get through all the questions we'll want to
we'll be a little bit quicker. Bear is up Premium
member the Burr? Or what's up dude?

Speaker 15 (44:09):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Guys?

Speaker 15 (44:10):
I have a I pop my team into the chat
before so you can see you make it a little easier.
I got a trade question, so I should how do
I upgrade at running back? Question? You guys could find
that in there, But I got offered in Djoku and
Traveon Henderson for Kraft and McNichols kind of hurting at
running back trying to see what you thought of that.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
So it's kind of just that's essentially like that.

Speaker 15 (44:35):
I got a bunch of receivers if you think it's
maybe makes more sense to try to shop one of them.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
So you get in Joko and Travion and then are
you yeah, you got offered those guys to move off
of Craft or you're saying which of these receivers would
you potentially go and move off of in you have
looks like Nico Collins, Drake Lendon, Mike Evans, those are
kind of your starters on the bench. You've got Tetor Roa,
Rick Piersol. You definitely have some depth here. So I

(45:02):
think the real question, h FITZI, is would you trade
top three tight end in the NFL with that roster
construction and depth to get what I think is at
best a late RB two or do you think he'd
be better set taking one of those wide receivers and
shooting a little bit higher.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
I would be.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
I would prefer to try to trade one of the
wide receivers.

Speaker 9 (45:26):
Bear.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I just like that trade.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Right now, I'm just feeling like Henderson is better in
best ball than a managed league. I think the production
is going to be in fits and spurts this week,
and it's going to be real hard to know when
to start him and when to sit him.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
And might be better in May six weeks. We might
this might be completely different. But that is a highly
speculative to one of the better tight ends in the league.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
And it's a little concerning that Trey Henderson was supposed
to be such a good pass blocker and he's been
kind of a train wreck in that area.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Sure so yeah, yeah, so I don't think we love it.
Maybe go take tet or pure sal see what you
can get. See if there's a little bit better of
a version of a running back that's floating out there.
Mighty Mighty's in the house. What's up?

Speaker 9 (46:11):
Hey?

Speaker 13 (46:11):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (46:12):
We got you?

Speaker 13 (46:13):
All right?

Speaker 17 (46:15):
So I have a question about a flex start.

Speaker 13 (46:21):
I need to start three in this full PPR, and
I'm looking at tearsal digs, Kean Fullman and JCM.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Okay, so we got a bench one of those, and
did you say it's floating PPR full TPR.

Speaker 17 (46:41):
And interestingly, when I look at the expert consensus rankings,
JCM is actually the top out of all that. DIGS
is at the bottom, actually even beneath Nick Chubb, who
I have marinating on my bench as well.

Speaker 9 (46:52):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
I love that you added that, because I was going
to throw out that, as you know, if you were
listening earlier, you probably would that. I think we're both
gonna lean, especially in a full PPR away from Bill
Krofsky merit. So that is a fascinating note that I
guess you're looking at the overall because positionally I'm not
one hundred percent sure I would have to say it's Bill,

(47:13):
especially with those wide receivers. I don't know if Diggs
gets people super excited anymore. I think he's starting to
get his connection rolling a little bit.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Kem.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Coleman's still off the top. In solid matchups like this one,
I think can have big plays. I just really love
the upside of Coleman this week. I'm I'm still down
to roll Digs out there. Maybe there's better touchdown equity
with Bill. But I have expressed I have some worries
that Jeremy McNichols becomes Eckler this week. So yeah, I am,
I'm sitting Bill. What do you think fits?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I don't think the Eckler injury does anything to improve
Bill's pass catching profile. Two targets, no catches so far,
So I too, would start all of those wide receivers.
And you know, Diggs has been at least a little
bit involved, and the Steelers are not going to have

(48:02):
Joey Porter Junior, I believe this week.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
So and so far, Mays look good.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
The only bad thing for Diggs is that it seems
like May is very willing to just throw to whoever's
open totally, so he is not going to hyper target
any one person. But Diggs has been getting targets.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
He's he's been the consistent one who's not out there,
and May prove that after like Booty looked amazing, like
Moody looked great. It was seven first reads, all this
and then next week it was like, nope, we'll just
do one. So you're right, he goes everywhere, but Digg
seems to keep bouncing around. He keeps still appearing.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
So yeah, so I agree, Well Shaw the wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Our boy, almighty Eric. I just had to do this
real quick because he acknowledged he said pros I sold earlier,
but he did have a question. So we saw some
hands raised. We're going to do those. But I just
want to do this, he said. Thoughts on Mason rest
of season thinking of trading half PPR. He's got Bowers McLaurin. Oh,
it's Bowers McLaurin and Mason to get men Tyler Warren,

(49:01):
Kean Coleman and Bryce Hall. What do you think about that?
I don't like that at all. You're trading one of
the best tight ends. I don't think Aaron Jones has
to come back super healthy. Mason might have way better
upside than you're imagining. Ann McLaurin, way over. I like
that you're getting Tyler Warren in there, But now I
think I'm holding that trade.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
And I like Mason a lot this. I've got Mason
ranked RB seven this week. Wel he is the only
game in town for the Vikings for the next four weeks,
and this is a team that has every reason to
try to hide its quarterbacks in the offensive game plan.
So and I think that might continue even when Aaron
Jones comes back. Like this team is not going to

(49:42):
get good quarterbacking this year, it appears, so I think
the running game is going to be important and Jordan
Mason is going to be a big part of that.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
So yeah, I don't like that trade either.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, I got Mason at nine this week, so I'm
done with that, j Q. Jq's up. What's up?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
How's it going? Can you guys hear me?

Speaker 13 (50:00):
What up?

Speaker 5 (50:00):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yes, you don't, but you do on me ten dollars though.
Now remember right now I saw that.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I was like, only I have to pay you?

Speaker 15 (50:06):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, JQ in the chat was like, dude, do do
you have to pay for this? And I meant to
say no, we do not, and I said, uh, I
said no or whatever I said, but I was like,
you do now, and then we realized that I was
forcing him to pay us. But you do not have
to pay. You just get to be on the show.
What's up dude?

Speaker 3 (50:22):
That's awesome? All right?

Speaker 18 (50:23):
So I'm really start going to figure out who to
start at RB two this week and who to flex,
So I'll throw some names at you, Okay, I have
Javonte Williams, do DeAndre Swift, uh, Meca, Buca, Quinchot, Judkins,
pick Kins and Mason on the bench.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
H Mason's on the bench. Oh, Jordan, Mason's your starter,
he's your number two, number two. Okay. Oh yeah, me
and Fitz you're both top ten on Mason. So that's
an easy one. The flex, though, is not as easy,
because I really likes this week, you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
PPR or half it's full PPR full PPR.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
If a Mecca was like if he was not hurt,
I probably would have gone to him, but not moving away.
You said you had Javante in there too, right, Yeah,
I gotta do Javonte. I want to do Jaq the
great questions, I want to say Pickens in there. I
gotta go Javonte. I like the matchup two, it's really close.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
And then Pickens against a Bears defense that doesn't have
its two bests. I know, Dalen Johnson and College Gordon
both out and they just got firebomb by the Lions
for fifty two points.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Man.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
But on the other end, though, Pickens goes and gets
a forty yard catch. Javante is gonna pound that sucker in,
and Javante also catches balls out of the backfield, Like
it's tough.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, It's one of those where I think, if I'm
favorite or it's pretty close in this, I'm going for
the safer floor with Javante. But like, if I'm an
underdog to one of the better teams in the league,
I need to throw a haymaker. I think I'm probably
playing Pickens over Javonte just because I feel like this
could be an eight for one hundred and fifty type
of game for Pickens.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I don't hate it.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I mean, I'm not saying I'm not saying it will be,
but like that sort of outcome is potentially in play
for Pickens. I just you know, the safer play Javonte.
The swing for the fences is Pickins. So I think
that's really close.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
But then I got to play mate.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, And I think the thing you can feel good
about is like we both went to Pickens, and then
we were both talking about Javonte, like we're not going
to other guys at this point. Like we both as
soon as you said Mason, were like, that's your running back.
You're starting but then it's at least we're in the
consensus of those players. You have great options, so good
on you. All right, let's do a little bit of lightning.
I don't want to like force anybody to go nuts,

(52:40):
but we'll try to answer quick and then you guys
try to get your quote so we can get these
last couple in here. Sammy aces in the house. What's up, Sammy, Sammy, Sammy,
come on down or up? However you want to view that? Sammy?

Speaker 6 (52:53):
Now you got me?

Speaker 7 (52:54):
No?

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:56):
All right?

Speaker 7 (52:56):
Right?

Speaker 6 (52:58):
How worried are we about London? Is this just going
to turn into a running game with that that layout?
I can move my guy around and maybe throw in
like Tet or Hampton instead, or do I just stick
with London?

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Stick with London. Hampton's a bad spot. Don't like Hampton
at all, don't particularly love Tet. I'm I'm rolling out London.
Maybe I close my eyes and like, don't watch a
whole bunch, but I'm rolling him out.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
He had fifteen fifteen targets in week one, only four
targets in week two because they were trucking the Vikings
and could afford to just keep it on the ground.
And the running game was working great, So no fears
about London. I think he's, you know, a top six
or seven receiver.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
If you had better options, maybe might I might have
liked Bent, but those weren't the options that make me
feel any better. So I'm going to go London pretty
easy there. Why Gamer Premium member of Fantasy Pros Discord,
come on down and we got a couple more sub
Why Gamer, Hello you guy? Yeah man, what you got?

Speaker 9 (54:01):
All right?

Speaker 4 (54:01):
A couple of questions. I'm in one league and my
QB right now situation is Caleb Williams and Michael Pennix. Now,
I was going back and forth with the guy that
has Lamar Jackson, who shouldn't have faken. His team is
just that bad, and I was offering him a second
round pick for next year for Lamar. That's one question.

(54:23):
My next one is.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Easy answer, yep, okay, next question.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
My next question is in this league owing too now
wide receivers are Jamar, Chase Ridley, Tyreek Hill. And I
was wondering in flux, I have Crosskey Merritt in there,
and I was wondering if I should bench him, like

(54:50):
if I should bench him for either maybe Chubb or
put in Sutton in there, or even look for trade
because right now our Loveland is my tight end.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I mean, i'd definitely try to upgrade a tight end.
I would play both of those guys over Bill Crosskey,
specifically Sutton and Button. Yeah, we don't need fitsteak on here.
I'm gonna speak for fits. Yes, trade a second round
pick for Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
So yes, and get and get a different tight end
than love one.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Definitely get a different title.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
It's zero.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
And by the way, I love Caleb this week. I
got Caleb high. I think he's gonna I mean four
fifty from the Giants on the Cowboys. So I like
Caleb this week as a starter. But yes, go get
that pick, all right. Last two, it's Dev. It's up
to Dev's everywhere. By the way, Dev is a mainstay YouTube.
He's there, Twitch, he's there, Discord, he's there, a plus
Fantasy pros listener. What's up, dude?

Speaker 9 (55:43):
You do it?

Speaker 14 (55:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (55:44):
I work from home, so I can do it all.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Hell yeah, you and me both, brother? All right, what
you got?

Speaker 19 (55:51):
I put my team in the chat so you can
take a quick look. I've been wanting to go after
Sutton in this league since draft and I stout on
him and the Sutton owners. Oh and two it's a
super flex full PPR league. I was thinking maybe I
can offer Peersal for him. I'm not sure what the
correct pricing is for for Sutton right now, so.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
I think you got to check in with him on
his bench. I saw the guy. He's like one of
the stars of the show, Pollard. I might throw Pollard
out there as a starting running back. Who I think
for you is he's gonna lose that role in the
near future and you have some depth because he's got
Cuba as a flex. So I think that's the move
you could check on Pearsal. I think Sutton's going to
be valued over your other wide receivers in Ridley and Pearsol.

(56:37):
So I can't sit here and tell you if you
offered Golden and Ridley, could you get it done. I
feel like Pollard might start it, just start the conversation.
I think that's a general range. I don't know if
i'd want to bend on. I wouldn't bend on giving
like a Hubbard, but I'd be fine giving up a
Ricky or a Ridley or a Pollard, or if I
had to sweeten Golden into one of those, I'd probably
do that. What do you think about that fits?

Speaker 10 (56:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
And dev I don't really like those challenge trades where
you're trading someone at one position for someone else at
the same position straight up and like, I don't know.
I mean, I think something's better, more valuable than peersaal
and probably most people see it that way. So I would,
you know, talk to them for sure, see what they need.
Like that is always the key to getting any deal

(57:19):
done is scratch the other person's itch, you know. Yeah,
and if they need a running back. I love your
Pollard for Sutton suggestion, Welsh. I think that's really fair
and doable.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
And maybe the guy's like, oh well, you know, and
then he's like, maybe give me golden, and then it's
like Golden and Pollard like there you go. Now you
got Ricky, Piersall and Sutton as like bench, why you're stacked.
You're absolutely stacked if you end up doing that. So
I would be comfortable by weeks. Yeah, baby, all right?
Last one, Sam g in the house. Sam, you're closing

(57:51):
out the show. What do you got, dude? Oh no,
I see a mute though we cannot cannot end on
a sold bag. Please Sam hit the unmute button. He's sold.
I'm so sorry, Sam, but someone else has stepped up.
Oh wait, Sam's back. Hold on, We're gonna give Sam
a chance. There's this chance number two. The second chances

(58:13):
have not worked well on this show.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
You guys hear me.

Speaker 7 (58:15):
You guys hear me.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
When yeah, touchdown?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
When I was about to make some joke about this
emblematic of the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
You know what, bears come back? When now Bears come back?
When now you got it?

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (58:28):
I haven't been wanting to talk to about anybody about football.
I've been doing good in fantasy and I haven't been
on here, and I haven't had questions to ask. But
I got a trade, so I got to ask.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Let's do it.

Speaker 20 (58:38):
So I have Carson Wentz. I got him off the
waiver wire. This is a super flex, super super deep league.
There's never anything on waiver wires, so he's a little
bit valuable for the next two weeks. I have I
was offered who is I offered I have Scataboo and
I was offered Tyrone Tracy Junior. I think that's kind
of good because I'm not going to start Wentz regardless,

(58:58):
but I try to. I wanted to squeeze little bit
more out of them, see what I can do. He
had Judkins, and he he also has Rice. I don't
know if I should just accept or go for one
of those two guys.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Okay, wait, so hold on. So he offered Scataboo for
your wins correct he offered, Oh, he offered Tracy for Winz.
And then you're looking at the other two guys and
you're wondering if you should look at them.

Speaker 20 (59:24):
Yeah, there's Judkins, which I also have Samson, so I'm
kind of in a good position. I have both those backfields.
And then there's also Rushie Rice, which I kind of
he doesn't have, Like that's like his last receiver.

Speaker 7 (59:36):
He has a few.

Speaker 20 (59:37):
More over that, so I like he has like Glad Mconkie,
Drake London, Garrett Wilson, cow for Italy. So I don't
think he's ever gonna, you know, even start Rushy Rice.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Yeah, yeah, okay, gotcha, gotcha. I just needed to get
fully up to speed. Fits. I think getting Rice is
a no brand. I don't think he does it. I
do that in a heartbeat. That's the one I want
number one, number two, probably two or one B is Judkins.
I don't think he does it. I have almost no

(01:00:06):
interest in Tracy, so that's the that's where I stand
on this. I don't think. I think I play hardball
and I pass on Tracy at any cost for two
weeks of a superflex and if he would do either
of the others, I'm doing a celebration dance after by
trading wins for either one of those guys. But I,
unfortunately do not think they will do it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Completely agree with your take, and I would maybe try
to layer the deal and add something to get Rashi Rice,
like Wentz plus a little trinkets.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
How about this?

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
How about else?

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
What if I did this for you? What if I
said wins and Cam's kataboo and now he has the
Giants running backs and you get Rashi Rice? Is that
too much? I don't think it's too much. Horrible matchup
for Cam this week.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
That is in the ballpark for sure. It's just yeah,
I mean, like I think Cam.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Could be a litle yet like lead running back after
this week when you don't want to play in this
tough matchup, but like it's pretty close to fair.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Would be pretty good when it comes back too. I
don't know if I do that trade Jutkins, but I'm
talking that that was my version of offering for Rashi Rice.
I don't know I do that for Jutkins because Judkins
is going to get suspended to some capacity this season.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
What do you think? So, yeah, he wasn't charged with anything.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Well, I mean we've we've had no I mean, maybe
I'm just reading too much into the reports or reports
have said that they like the NFL is still going
through this, they want to make an example. Maybe that's
just a bunch of like bull crap and that's not real.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
But like I know, I know Drew Davenport in our
industry who is a lawyer, and he I think Drew
believes there will be no suspension, so we'll we'll see.
I could be wrong about that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
So then do you hate that doing that for Jutkins Juckins?

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
What do you mean Wentz?

Speaker 6 (01:01:58):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Yeah, Wentz and cam Scataboo for Judkins?

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Oh no, no, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
No, I would, I mean I would almost rather have
Skataboo than jud getting straight up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yeah, it's close, it's close. But maybe the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Maybe the rice like rice is probably going to be
more valu valuable than Skataboo, and Wentz has a very
limited window of value.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
So I kind of like your idea.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Okay, well, those are some ways to explore it. Always fun.
We're not good at lightning round because we just like
to talk football. That's a fit. We like to talk,
but it's okay. We like to talk theory. We'll go
a little bit longer because I think it's important to
do this type of stuff, and that's why we are
here for you, and hopefully you guys listening on the
podcast take a moment out and come and join us.
Come and join us on the discords. We're here for

(01:02:48):
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(01:03:10):
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(01:03:30):
and thanks to FITZI for stepping in and doing the
show with us.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
My man, it was fun. Thanks for having me Walsh.
Always great to talk to the people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
If it's get a lot of me. This week we
had the three rank shows and more of this that
you're on the Ericson duty. Ericson can't get away from
me during the week enough FITSI can't. Well, thank you
to all of you guys. You guys killed it in
the questions. Thank you to all the lives. We'll try
to come back and even into the chat and answer
some questions. That is going to do it for the
extra point. I'm Chris Welsh for Pat Fitzmorris and all

(01:03:58):
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