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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, everybody. Welcome into another episode of the Fantasy Pros
Football Podcast. I am Ryan Wormley, joined today by Andrew
Erickson and Pat fitz Morris and Fellas. We are looking
ahead to the twenty twenty four draft season for Fantasy
We've of course had a lot of free agency stuff
last couple of weeks, some draft stuff, some dynasty stuff.
(00:21):
Let's actually look ahead and kind of project what we'll
be thinking about in August. We're gonna predict out the
top thirty six rounds. Really, what we're doing is we're
looking at current ADP. You can find that ADP consensus
on the Fantasy Pro's website. We'll be looking at that
ADP information and kind of going through and saying, are
these names right? Are they in the right order? Are
the right guys kind of in the right tiers. We'll
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be hitting them in groups of six, so it's not
kind of six tiers total. I just want to let
everybody know. All of our early twenty twenty four consensus
rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros dot com
slash rankings. You can also from there navigate to our
Fantasy Pro staff rankings if you want to see specifically,
what fits is thinking or what Ericson is thinking? Fits?
(01:03):
What do you think? Sounds like it's gonna be a
good show.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It does.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Although you said we're gonna go through the top thirty
six rounds and not players, so I guess we're gonna
be talking about mac Hollins, Braxton, Barrios. Can't wait to
break those guys down, for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I didn't even catch that I had said that. Yes,
let's put everybody's minds at ease. For who's worried about
how we possibly fit thirty six rounds into less than
an hour. It is thirty six picks, not rounds. Ericson,
you're ready to jump in?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, now, I'm ready to talk about the top three rounds.
You know, I think that we spend a lot of
time during draft season talking about like the top guys,
even though we find that a lot of the league
winners are the players that you draft really late and
then deliver. So I'm interested to talk about the start
of the drafts.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
This is half PPR ADP. Just to be clear for everyone,
we will jump right in right at the top of
round one. The first six names. Not gonna be any
surprises here. I wouldn't think for anybody. Christian McCaffrey at one,
CD Lamt to Justin Jefferson at the Tyree Kill at four,
Jamar Chase at five, and Brees Hall at six. It
starts with the running back, it ends with the running back,
and then the rest is wide receivers fits. What was
(02:08):
your initial takeaway to this top six?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I think the top four wide receivers can be ordered
in a variety of different ways, and Ericson and I
have a lot of differences as to how we've ordered them,
but like I can't really I can't really beef about
any of those except maybe I don't know. Ericson I
think has Justin Jefferson number two.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I get it. Justin Jefferson is great.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And I think no matter who the quarterback is, even
if it's a rookie, and it probably will be, I
think he'll fare well enough. But I do wonder if
he's got like the wide receiver one upside considering that
he's going to be playing with an inexperienced quarterback and
is going to be sharing targets with Jordan Addison and
at some point TJ.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Hockinson.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
What's your order on the receivers ericson.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
So I have Chase Jefferson and then Hill. So I
have the same top four guys, just in a slightly
different order.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And is are they all after McCaffrey for you.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
No, I have Chase Jefferson and actually Breese Hall over
McCaffrey fits.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
What do you think about that? I mean, to me,
it feels like McCaffrey will be the number one pick
in pretty much every draft, right.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I think so, and I have him number one. I mean,
the only argument I'm not gonna buy for not having
McCaffrey number one is that no one ever repeats, Like,
I don't want to hear that as the argument, because
you know, people were saying, oh, no, Scotty Scheffler's not
gonna win the Players Championship again because no one's ever repeated,
and Scotty Shuffler's on fire and he won at back
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to back. So like, if you're good enough, you can repeat,
you know, if of course health cooperates. And maybe that's
the case that Erickson has against McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Erickson is that is it just the nature of the
running back position? And he said something of an injury
history in the past, or are you just really high
on the receivers.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I think part of it is I am really high
on specifically on Jamar Chase. I think that I was
just a year two early on Jamar Chase. Last year
with the injuries to Joe Burrow, I think the Chase
could go. I still think Higgins is going to get traded,
even though the splits with Chase with Higgins don't necessarily matter.
Chase or if Higgins is gone, that can slidify more of
the touchdowns, more of the targets, more of the receptions,
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the yards for Jamar Chase to just go absolutely nuclear.
I think that Chase I like a lot more than
the CD Lamb. I feel like cdy Lamb is like
we're just looking exactly what did last year and the
kind of just copying pasting what we did last year,
when last year was his like actual first breakout year
where he was like an ultra elite wide receiver where
he'd got kind of been on the fringe of a
fantasy wide receiver one. But back to the initial question
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with McCaffrey, it doesn't have to do with him necessarily
as a player could get hurt or get injured. But
I'm looking at it from the forty nine ers offense
as a whole, forty nine ers with healthiest offense in
the NFL last year, number one, those things tend to
regress year every year, the things regressed to the meat
and the forty nine ers traditionally have been one of
the teams that gets injured more hoften than not. So
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that's something that I'm looking at. Whereas if no one
is going to pay attention to that at all, because
like you said, he's the consensus one on one every
single draft, But if no one's going to look at
it like, Okay, well, this team stayed really healthy last year.
If we had to put our chips in on a
player that could get hurt on the team that was
healthiest last year that would not be as lucky in
terms of health. Who would we bet on that player be?
Probably Christian McCaffrey. So for me, yeah, I am a
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little bearish on CMC staying healthy for all the games,
especially because he's also coming off a season where he
led the NFL and touches. Who is that guy two
years ago, Josh Jacobs? How did he do? Not great?
Like the track record of not just McCaffrey himself coming
off injuries. But any running back coming off a season
where they led the NFL and touches it, it's really bad.
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So if everyone else is just going to ignore that completely,
I'll try to take advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
It does feel fits that Lamb is is maybe this
is wrong, safe kind of feel is the highest floor,
like you make you can make the case against Jefferson,
like rookie quarterbacks do often, even when they have good seasons,
they do often struggle to support you know, elite wide
receivers right off the bat Tyreek Kill getting older, really
reliant on his speed, Jamar Chase. Obviously there's been injury
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stuff with Burrow. You don't know what's gonna happen with
t Higgins. Lamb is like he will clearly be the
number one. We know who his quarterback is, we know
what the offense is going to look like. Does that
give him higher floor maybe than the other three guys?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
We know the Cowboys are pretty unlikely to add significant
target competition. But to Ericsson's earlier point about Lamb's breakout
season coming last year, I mean, I think there's a
good reason for that. The Cowboys had a much stronger
running game earlier in Lamb's career and they lost that
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last year. Noah Ezekiel Elliott, Tony Pollard was not what
people were hoping he would be. And really now Pollard's gone.
Unless you think Rico Dowell is going to turn into
the new Tony dor set for the Cowboys, They're going
to be drafting a backfield for the most part, so
it seems like they will be pass heavy again most likely.
(07:07):
And yeah, with Lamb clearly the alpha target in this offense,
I think things are looking pretty rosy for him.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Again, with that rationale, Pat, you just kind of like
laid out how the path for Cede Lamb to be
the wide receiver One isn't that what Jamar Chase is
looking at? But they just got rid of their running back.
They're potentially shipping off t Higgins. So wouldn't it make
I mean I have Chase over Lamb. I don't know
if you have Chase over Lamb, But wouldn't that mean hey,
for rejecting forward, Chase can have the Lamb season from
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last year this year?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, so I have Lamb one spot ahead of Chase.
But like, I don't have a major beef with flip
flopping those two guys.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I do have Chase ahead of Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
We're not going to dive deep on every player in
every round, but I do think it's really interesting here
at the top. So I just want to get your guys' opinion.
Are you concerned about Tyree Kill at all? Just given
the age and the fact that he just to my mamma,
offense as a whole, was not able to sustain what
they started last season as into you know, November and
December as well, and again just getting older, so reliant
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on speed that when that goes, what is that going
to do to his his output? I mean, fits, Where
do you stand on hill right now compared to these
other elite options?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Do you do you think this speed is going to
go that all of a sudden he's going to turn
into Alan Lazard or something like.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
No, I don't think it's going to be gone entirely,
but it's just when you're so reliant on it and
getting older and getting more banged up, you know, it
worries me. NFL players all the time we see Ken
fall off a cliff. I don't think that's gonna happen,
but it would be in the back of my mind,
I think at least.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, Like I think Hill is at the absolute height
of his powers. He's my wide receiver one. Even though
he doesn't have a tip top elite quarterback I mean, Tua,
I think is still well two is not going to
run like He's got to do his business through the air.
Hill has managed to produce elite numbers despite sharing the
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field with another thousand yard receiver in Jalen Waddle. And
I mean Hill has been pretty indestructible so far, including
there was a game last year where he sustained what
looked like a pretty bad ankle injury, high ankle type thing,
bounced right back, was in like two plays later, and
you know, producing, So like, I have no concerns about
(09:21):
Tyreek Hill, Like I do think he is the most
dangerous weapon there is in the NFL wide receiver ericson.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
The last guy obviously that we haven't really mentioned since
I listed out these top six is Brice Hall. Where
do you think he fits in these rankings? And obviously
we're anticipating a full season for Marion Rodgers. But I
mean his season, you know, injured the first year, had
the quarterback problems, the second year. You know, the upside
is clear, we know the talent and the pedigree, but
(09:50):
he's he's ranked pretty aggressively here.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I think he should be RB one. That's where I
have him ranked. And my argument for you guys, and
we'll do a little thought experiment for those listening as
well who were drafting first overall in twenty twenty five,
Christian McCaffrey at Breese Hall. Who thinks gonna be at
the top of the board. I think it's more likely
to be Breecee Hall. And if that's the case, right,
you know, McCaffrey's gonna be almost thirty twenty nine years old,
(10:14):
Breess Hall will be twenty four, I believe. If that's
the case, and we're looking ahead to next year when
it's like twenty twenty five drafts, who's the army one,
who's the one on one? If that's Breescee Hall, then
what has to happen this year for that to happen?
Like I think Breesce Hall is set up to smash
and it's for all the reasons like that. I'm kind
of fading McCaffrey in a sense. Where the Jets were
the most injured team last year they had no injury
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luck and all they're doing this year is going all
in upgrading the offensive line across the board. They're getting
Rogers back. Like Briesce Hall was the top ten running
back last year when he had nothing around him, it
was horrible when he's coming off the ACL injury, Like,
I want to get the rising tide, which I think
is Breece Hall, and that's why he's my Army one.
So when McCaffrey, look, is it gonna be as good
as it was last year? I mean last year was
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a really special year for him. Like I don't know
if it's it's tough for to repeat that. So for me, yeah,
I love Breese Hall. I love how I can get
him as the six guy off the board fits.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It looks like in your rankings on the site, you
have Hall six. Do you think he's you know, kind
of clearly behind the top five. Are you happy with
him at six? Is he kind of a placeholder because
there's a clear top five? How are you ranking him?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I should probably think more about this, and like I'm
good with him at six because I love those top
four wide receivers and think they're all just superstars and
deserve to be in the top six. But you know
with the running back shortage that there is the lack
of just elite, top level producers at the position. Maybe
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Hall should go ahead of some of those wide receivers,
if not all of them.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Like sticking your neck out for Breese Hall, I buy it.
I can understand wanting to lock down that sort of
production at the running back position because if he is healthy,
he is going to produce. There's no question about it.
So I really have no qualms with what Eric's in
is try to sell here.
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Speaker 1 (13:39):
Let's go to the next group here, rounding out round
one at number seven, Aman Ross, Saint Brown at number eight,
Bjon Robinson at number nine, AJ Brown at number ten,
Puka Nakua at number eleven, Garrett Wilson, and at number
twelve Jamior Gibbs Ericson. I want to start with you
because when you were sort of posing the question with
Priest Hall, you know, in your mind's eye twenty twenty five,
who is gonna has a chance of being the number
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one overall pick. My mind went to both Bejon Robinson
and Jamier Gibbs as options, so I can totally see
why they're being drafted in a round one. You know
Bijon in particular, with you know, a better run offense
around him. Clearly the quarterback upgrade should lead more scoring opportunities.
We know the talent he has, but Jamiir Gibbs can
make a lot of those same cases as well. What
do you think about those two running backs and where
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they're ranked.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I love the prices for both of them. Bijeon's actually
going one spot later than last year. And this despite
the fact that you know, you can look at Kirk Couzins.
I know that I'm not as high on the Kirk
Cousins landing spot to atlantas some other people, but I
it's still an upgrade, like no matter why you shape it.
And the fact that Bijon is just a little bit
cheaper than last year when everything should be better, especially
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when it comes to him not necessarily splitting nearly as
much red zone work with Tyler Algier, Like I mean,
can you not be excited about Beijon? Like you know,
when I was looking at my running back rankings, like
I could put Bijeon ahead of Christian McCaffrey too, Like again,
like I'm not the highest on mccaffe entering season, and yeah,
resaw Bijon, Like I could go back and forth with
those two in particular. And Gibbs is just a bet
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on that uber efficiency and really the cap with him
is just is it just because Dave Montgomery's too involved
where Gibbs is still really productive, But for him, I
think to crack like top three, he probably has to
just take on a much larger share of the workload. Now, again,
you do benefit from him being healthier all year long
because he's not necessarily taking as much a toll on
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his body. But obviously we know in fantasy it's like
volume is king like and Gibbs is not going to
get anywhere youar three hundred touches, probably shouldn't as long
as Dave Montgomery, who again is just a very productive
running back in his own right. So again, I do
get the gap between Bijon and Gibbs to an extent,
but I don't really care about the touch of it.
Gibbs was so good last year, so electric plays in
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a really good offense. So yeah, I think that even
at the back end of round one, I think that
that's a justified pick.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
What do you think fits Bjon's ADP? Like I said,
is eight Gibbs at twelve. Is this right range for
these guys to be going back into the first round?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Wouldn't shock me if Bijon outscored Breis Hall this year. Like,
I think they're in the same same range as far
as just pure talent and Jamiir Gibbs. Ericson summed it
up pretty well. Yes, David Montgomery is there, but Gibbs
was very efficient last year, and early in the season,
Gibbs did not produce the way we were hoping him to,
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hoping for him to produce. With Montgomery around, Montgomery gets hurt,
Gibbs becomes immensely valuable, but then once Monty got back,
Gibbs was still quite valuable. And I think that's kind
of the dynamic we'll see going forward with Gibbs, you know,
not having his value completely kneecapped by the presence of Montgomery.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
So then fits what about these receivers? Is this the
right group of four guys again, A man Rap, Whoka,
aj Brown, Garrett Wilson? Are these the right four names
to be going in the back end of the first
round or would you have anybody else in there?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
No, that's it.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I mean, I pretty much agree with that, and I
think there's a drop off after these three guys.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Ericson, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
No, I agree, I think that. You know, when I
was kind of looking at some of my wide receiver
rankings heading into next year, looking at how you can
kind of tier these guys and I think this is
kind of where we hit the end of that this
guy's going to be an elite producer, Like you should
be trying to get these guys in round one or
the beginning of round two, because then after that we
start to see the wide receiver scoring start to flatten.
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And it's really more about values the name of the game.
So if you miss out on this tier, these of
the round one wide receivers, essentially, then you don't necessarily
need to draft the next highest ranked wide receiver as
we're going to get into because that next highest ranked guy,
he's probably not that different from the guy that you
get that other end of round two or at the
beginning of round three, and you start to see the
scoring kind of flatten out at wide receiver where we
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know the scoring is kind of flatter. So I agree
with AJ Brown, Almana Rossaint Brown, Pooka as that next
tier behind the guys in the first half of the
first round.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
One more time through the whole first round, Christian McCaffrey,
CD Lamb, Justin Jefferson, Tyree, Killed Jamar, Chase brisall A, Monera,
Saint Brown, B, Jean Robinson, A J. Brown, Puka Nakua,
Garrett Wilson, and Jamier Gibbs. Any other thoughts on the
first round, any area that you think, you know, have
a major disagreement with fits or is this is this
pretty much right?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I think it's pretty much right.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Any differences that I have with that list are pretty minor.
I think it's not till the second round where the
chaos begins.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Same thoughts ericson.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I guess for me, I guess kind of want to
pose the question. I don't know what it is with
Garrett Wilson, but I'm having like trouble, like just like
wiping away all of last year, and it seems like
that's what drafts are pretty much basically doing right, Like
they're not holding anything against what happened last year with
Comane Wilson produce last year because the quarterback play was horrible,
But do you think that it's too aggressive? It just
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kind of put it back where he was at the
beginning of last year with all the high expectations of
Aaron Rodger coming in, and it's like, right, well, just
throughout last year, basically you're doing that thing from Men
in Black where you just forget you forgot about the
Jets season forget about entirely, and you put Garrett Wilson
right back where he should be or he was last year.
Do you think that's accurate? I mean, that's kind of
where I have him ranked anyway, so like I'm kind
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of doing it. But it's like, should we just be
automatically putting him in that spot?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I think if you're ranking him in, you know, at
all towards the top, it's basically understanding that you think
Aaron Rodgers will be back in healthy, because if he's not,
then you wouldn't be ranking him, you know, in the
top twenty four. Maybe I don't know. I guess depends
on who the other quarterback is that they would have.
But I think if you're ranking him aggressively in the slightest,
it's because you think Aaron Rodgers is going to be healthy.
And if you think Aaron Rodgers is going to be healthy,
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then I think he deserves a very high ranking. I
mean that would be how I would appreciate it. It's
basically just a bet on if Rogers is going to
be Rogers or not. I mean, what do you think fits?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
We didn't see anything last year to really make a
doubt that Garrett Wilson was the supremely talented guy we
first saw when he entered the league, so I think
it's right to have him there, And Ericson and I
both have him fourteenth overall, so we're not quite on
board with the Garrett Wilson as a first rounder sentiment,
but we're pretty close to it. And I think there's
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a big drop off after the top sixteen or so.
And like I for my overall rankings, I was kind
of struggling trying to figure out how to put guys
in that seventeen to twenty five range because I just
don't think there are a lot of guys worthy of it,
and I think Garrett Wilson is clearly like a cut
above those guys in terms of desirability.
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Guys at number thirteen, Kyron Williams at number fourteen, Jonathan Taylor,
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number fifteen, Josh Allen a quarterback going very early, number sixteen,
DJ Moore, number seventeen DeVante Adams, and number eighteen Devon
han Fits. I'll start with you, what was your big
takeaway from this grouping?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, man, Josh Allen just doesn't belong this high. And yes,
he was the QB one last year and he's gonna
be my QB one this year. But top fifteen. Come on,
Josh Allen had fifteen rushing touchdowns last year, and I
think the previous two years he had what thirteen combined,
so that number is going to come down really good,
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but just does not deserve to go this high. I
think Ericson and I both believe Jonathan Taylor is a
Round one value. I mean, the Jonathan Taylor Anthony Richardson
combination is just going to be magic, and I can't
wait to see it. It's it's really nice that we're
going to get a quiet Jonathan Taylor summer after all
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the just upheaval there was with that guy last year,
and then he comes back and he is the RB
eight in Fantasy points per game, despite the fact that
Zach Moss basically outtouched him two to one in his
first two games back, as the Colts worked him in
really slowly. So I don't know, Taylor's still the guy
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who had eighteen hundred rushing yards and eighteen touchdowns in
his second NFL season, and that was without Anthony Richardson,
Who's just gonna spike his efficiency because of the rushing
threat that he poses. So, man, I wholeheartedly believe Jonathan
Taylor should be a first rounder.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Ericson, I think you have him ranked similarly.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yep. I have him RB ten, So I actually have
Jonathan Taylor head over You have him tenth overall, not
RB ten. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, tenth overall yep. So actually, yeah, again,
I have him ahead of Gibbs because I just think, like,
who is he splitting carries with? They got rid of
Zac Moss, like, like, what's his name? The guy? Trace Sermon?
Is that the guy where they're not going to use him?
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So the concern is, oh, well, Richesting gets all the
rushing touchdouts. Because it's so easy for us in March
to just project how every team is gonna score each
and every single one of their touchdowns. It's hard to do.
So I mean you want to bet on the efficiency. Right,
If Jonathanaylors gonna be averaging six years per carry and
touches the ball three hundred times, odds are the guy's
probably gonna score Fantasy points one way or the other.
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So yeah, I think that Taylor should be a round
one guy, and for me, the guy that I'm concerned about,
I agree with Josh Allen kind of being too high
here at fifteen, it was the right.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Time to take the first quarterback. Sorry to interrupt you,
but before we move on from Alan, because I think
that's really really interesting question. Every year is the elite
guys are becoming more elite, Like Allen has been a
top two quarterback four straight years in Fantasy. Like you
know you're getting elite production, but there's still so much
talent on the board. So ericson when is the right
time to take whoever QB one is.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I just want to take the guy that can get
the cheapest. So it's like, yeah, you talk about how
good Josh Allen was, Well, what if I got Lamar
Jackson two rounds later? It's like, That's what I would
rather do. So you got to tier the quarterbacks in
the way that you view them as like the elite guys,
and you draft the guy that gets pick last. Like
that's the way I see it, and I think that's
going to lead me. Like last year, that would have
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led you away from Mahomes because he was going ahead
of a lot of the other elite quarterbacks just because
of the name brand. But now this year, because of
how bad Mahomes was last year, he goes at the
end of that tier. So now it's like, I want
to draft Mahomes. If I'm going to take an elite quarterback,
I want to get one of the best price. So
that's the way I approach it, and that's usually not
until round four. Really is really where I'm looking at
the earliest I would take an elite quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Okay, sorry I did interrupt you. So I'm actual really
curious to hear who you were going to say as
the guy that worries you, because I think you're actually
significantly lower than fits on a handful of guys in
this grouping.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, now that I actually like kind of look at
it again, like I'm kind of worried about a lot
of these guys in this in this particular tier. But
I'll just go with to start with with Dj Moore
brand new quarterback Keenan Allen's coming in. I don't think
Keenan Allen is going to just disappear like the guy
wakes up and catches one hundred and fifty targets, like
that's all he's done. That's all he does is his
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vacuum up targets, especially at the intermediate levels. So Dj
Moore as graz as he was last year. One of
the things that you have to look at when it
comes to wide receivers underperforming the following year is fantasy
points scored over expectation. Dj Moore was top of the
list last year in terms of fantasy points scored over expectation.
And what are you're taking away you're taking about the quarterback. Look,
you can say we want about fields, but dj Moore
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was really good with justin fields last year like that
that was real and then it took away justin fields
when he was hurt. Again. It was a rookie quarterback
whose the guy was undrafted. But DJ Moore's production tanked,
so not necessarily, not necessarily saying that his production is
going to tank. This as bad as it was when
Tyson Badget was under center. Last year. But to say
that he's going to be as productive as he was
when Justin Fields was at his peak with a rookie quarterback.
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He is the number one overall pick to be worthy
of a second round selection, I think that's way too
much confidence. And Djmore to take him in the second round.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Fits what do you make of More? And you know
Ericson mentioned Keenan Allen. I still think it's very possible
they target Roma Dunze or somebody like that at with
the ninth pick in the draft if he gets there,
because Alan is aging and I don't think he's under
contract for more than another year. Like I think that's
still on the table too, which is just another really
talented mouth defeat in the offense.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
So sixteenth overall is way too high for DJ Moore.
I've got him twenty third overall, And this kind of
gets to what I was talking about earlier with the
big drop off after number sixteen, and DJ Moore is
in that group of guys. I'm not feeling great about
ranking between seventeenth and twenty fifth overall. So I do
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think a lot of Ericson's points about the DJ Moore
situation are valid. I do think he's a terrific player,
and I do think that even though maybe his piece
of the pie gets a little smaller in this passing game,
maybe the overall pie gets a little bigger. Because Justin
Field's never averaged two hundred passing yards a game for
the Bears, Luke gets He's gone, So I think this
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offense is going to look a lot different next year
with Caleb Williams as the trigger man. So I'm optimistic
that they're going to average more than two hundred passing
yards a game.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I have to ask you guys about a Chan because
our staff rankings on him are so wildly desparate. It's
Debra has him twelfth, Ericson has him fortieth, Fits has
him sixteenth, and Joe has him fortieth. So Ericson, I
don't know how you feel about being on the same
side of history as Joey p but you and he
are definitely way lower on a Chan than Fits and
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deebra are. So what are you not seeing with a
Chan here?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I mean, is he gonna see starting work? Is he
going to play the full season?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Like?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
How's that Dolphins offensive line looking? Like? There's a lot
of red flags with his profile? Like he didn't even
play the whole year. Yes, I get he was really
explosive when we got the opportunities to play, but a
lot of it came against the earlier this season when
Miami was steamrolling teams like they did all year. When
they played a bad team, they destroyed them. When they
played good teams, they weren't as lucky. So again, is
he the starting running back on his own team? If
you look at every single Miami Dolphins depth chart, which
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I had to do today, Raheem Moster is RB one,
not the von A Chan. Now, I get he's got
Mosters gonna get hurt. I get that, Like I thought
that was gonna happen last year. It never happened. He's
still helping the entire season. So yes, I still have
a Chan ahead of Raheem Moster in my rankings. But
comes to Week one, who's gonna get the first carrier
for the Dolphins, It's probably be Moster? Like how long
are we gonna wait for eight Chan to take over
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the backfield when that may not ever be what the
Miami Dolphins want to have happened? Like when a Chan
came back in the second half of the season, Why
was he never unleashed, Like why do they never give
him more carries? Why? Because he's not a guy that's
supposed to take on the type of workload. So again,
Gibbs showed last year that he could consistently put up
production in a split backfield. That was not the case
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with a Chan in my opinion. So that's where I
see the difference between the players, and that's why I
have a Chan significantly lower than my counterparts fits.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
What do you think about that? I mean, does does
a Chan need a full workload in this offense with
his skill set?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That's exactly at worm because he is the same sort
of electric talent that Jamir Gibbs is. And yes, we
did not really see the Achan usage stabilize in any
sort of way last year, and that's what makes him
a tough guy to rank this year, just because we
don't know what the ideal devon Chan usage looks like
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because it was all over the place last year. But
even if Mostert does somehow stay relatively healthy for an
entire season, like Achan is going to get, He's going
to get like ten touches a game on average minimum
when he's healthy, and he can do a lot of
damage on ten touches.
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taken care of. Let's move to the back half of
round two. At nineteenth it's Chris Alave twenty is Nico Collins,
twenty one is Stefan Diggs, twenty two Saquon Barkley, twenty
three Travis Etn and twenty four Deebo Samuel Erickson. What
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was your initial takeaway to this grouping of players.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I think that Stefan Diggs and Deebo Samuel are too
high a look. Gigs was horrible last year. Deebo Samuel
was productive, but we know what his injury history is.
With the way that he plays, He's in a He's
also in a weird circumstance too, where they're talking about
trading brand new YUK, but what if they trade deebo
Is Samuel instead, Like I feel safe about the running
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backs here, Like I feel safe about Bike Lee and
what his role is going to be in the offense.
Travis Etn, Like, I know Tank Bigsby's coming after me
on Twitter now, but I also say, like Travis Etn
is still the guy until he gets deplanted from that spot.
So that's the way I kind of look at I
think some of these receivers are a little overvalued, especially
on the older side, whereas like olave Nico Collins, it's like, Okay,
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we're just chasing breakouts. For me, the guy that's not
even talked about in his entire round is brand Na
yuk and I have him ranked all above all these
wide receivers because I think ayuk is going to be
a wide receiver one when the dust settles on the
NFL draft, whether he's the number one in San Francisco
or he's the number one on a new team. And
ayukas has been super efficient all throughout his NFL career.
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He just needs targets and he's gonna get them. I
think this season, I think that's gonna avalue, that's gonna
launch him over all these guys in this particular tier.
So I think that ayuk is missing from the spot.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, I tend to agree. I do like a lave
and Collins to a degree. But yeah, there's like zero
percent chance I'm taking Stefan Diggs over Brandon this season,
and it's just like not going to happen. And I
think as we get to August, like adyp will start
to reflect. That fits. What was your takeaway from this
group of players?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Same thing on Digs and just to illustrate Ericson's point
about Diggs last season from Week ten on including Buffalo's
two playoff games, Digs averaged forty two point two yards
per game. That's not a small sample size, that's ten
games if you count those playoff games, had one touchdown
over that ten game span and averaged five point three
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yards per target, which is just awful.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
So I'm like.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I'm not touching Stefan Diggs in the first three rounds.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I'm just not. I mean, Ericson and I both have him.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Outside the top thirty six, so he would not be
a top three rounder for either of us. The guy
a little worried about here is Travis Etn, Like speaking
of late season swoons. Over his last nine games of
twenty twenty three, Etn average forty seven point two rushing
yards per game three point six six yards per kerry.
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He had fifty seven or fewer rushing yards in all
but one of those last nine games. So I'm I'm
a little more concerned about him than other people seem
to be, since he's considered, like, uh, I don't know,
pretty solid second rounder, and I just I don't know
if I can buy it.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
One player that you guys are both higher on than
his ranking here is Saquon who obviously changes teams goes
to the you know, he gets the offensive line upgrade
in a better offense. Still don't know what we're gonna
see with the Tousch push without Jason Kelcey. It's, you know,
a different type of offense. He might not get checked
down to as much, but obviously the talent around him
is a huge upgrade in Philly, and you guys are
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ranking him, you know, in that top fifteen range rather
than here in the early twenties ericson what are your
thoughts in Saquon?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
I just think that it's not I just wanna be
copying pasting, like what DeAndre Swift did in this offense
for Saquon, Like, I think it's gonna be different, Like
why else would you sign a running back if you're
gonna run the exact same offense that you would just
insert replaceable running back here with. So I don't think
it's gonna be like that, Tosh. If that's the only
thing against Segway, people are well, the Eagles are gonna
score a bunch of touchdowns, but Saku is not gonna
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score any of them. Like DeAndre Swift was never the
goal line back on any of his teams, like for
multiple stops of his NFL career, Like they're always trying
to find other ways to use a different goal line back.
Then DeAndre Swift Seguon Barkley is gonna see holes open
up in this in this back that that he's only
dreamt of having. He's not running behind the Giants offensive
line anymore. So I don't want to overthink this. It's
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like Sekoe got a monster contract, he got a monster upgrade.
When it comes to the personnel that he's working around,
he's not He doesn't have to be superman on every
single play, like he can just pick up the yardage
and I think he's gonna score much touchdowns. So for me,
I'm not I'm not trying to overthink it. I know
Barkley is a super talented guy. He's still young. He
can catch passes, and that's probably actually the biggest concern
is like how many passes he gonna catch because he's
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no longer the best receiver on his team, so you
are gonna need those touchdowns. But I think it's being
overblown with the toush push and it's like maybe they
did where if they put saquon our center and then
we just, oh, we all faded Saquon and then he
scores fifteen touchdowns, Like, oh wow, that was dumb. So
I'll take my chances with Saquon in an upgraded environment.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Fitz, You've mentioned a couple of times that you see
a very clear top sixteen in the rankings, and you've
got Saquon at fifteen, So he's in that you know,
upper esh on for you.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I do, And I've been a little concerned that Saquon
hasn't really been explosive as a pass catcher since like
twenty nineteen. Probably does not have sixty catch upside in
this offense, and there is the question of how many
goal line carries he loses to Jalen Hurts. But the
offensive ecosystem is so much better than what he was
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what he had around him with the Giants last year,
and Ericson mentioned that just the offensive line, Oh my gosh,
going from the Giants to this, and I know, losing
Jason Kelce is no thing, but they've still got Jordan Miylotta, Landon,
dick Orson, Lane Johns, like, this is still a phenomenal
offensive line. So he is going to find things much
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more to his liking. I think in Philadelphia than he
did with the Giants last year.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Let's move to round three at number twenty five overall.
Jalen Hurts, the next quarterback, goes off the board at
number twenty six. Brandon Ayuk number twenty seven, Rashi Rice
number twenty eight, Sam Laporto the first tight end, number
twenty nine, Marvin Harrison Junior, first rookie, and number thirty
Michael Pittman Junior fits. We have talked on the Dynasty
Show a lot about Marvin Harrison Junior. You know, he's considered,
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you know, the latest in a line of generational prospects.
You know that word gets thrown out a lot, but
that's how people have been talking about Harrison. Obviously, the
son of the Hall of Famer, just an uber, uber,
uber talented prospect. Everybody should go listen to the Dynasty
Show to hear us gush about him. Even more, is
the first half of round three the right spot to
be drafting him in re draft leagues as a rookie.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I think you can make a case for round two
even There's just no doubt in my mind that he
is going to be an impactful NFL wide receiver from
day one and We've seen, like over the last three years,
if not further wide receivers draft in the first round
not named Quentin Johnston have been ADP bargains we saw
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with Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, these guys like turning a
big profit on their rookie year ADP. I think it's
gonna be the same with Marvin Harrison, and I'm not
going to barbecue Erickson for just barely having Marvin in
his top sixty. I know different analysts handle the pre
NFL draft ranking of rookies differently, you know, but if
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Ericson still has Harrison outside the top fifty come May,
then you know, then I'm then I'm gonna frick and
see him on one of these shows.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Erickson, what do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I just think that I just don't like the value
on drafting him this high. So basically you're betting on
so like to comparison, like he's going right next to
Rashie Rice. Right. Oh, so Rashie Rice was a rookie
wide receiver that broke out as a rookie. So essentially
you're drafting Marvin Harrison after basically locking and loading, like, okay,
he broke out his rookie year essentially, like when you're
matching him compared to a second year wide receiver, fits
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hit on the rookie receivers being really profitable, like exceeding ADP.
I would rather draft rookie wide receivers that have a
less chance of hitting, that have a better chance of
making up the ground in ADP. So Marvin Harrison comes
out and finishes as a wide receiver twelve and I
drafted him in the second round? What is that? Or
I draft him the third round? What did I win? Like?
What do I win there? All I did was get
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a asset that delivered on his ADP. I didn't gain
anything by drafting him here, like I'm looking to gain steam,
Like where you drafted Roshie Rice last year, Like that
was a major win because of how good he was
versus how late he was going. That's all baked into
the Marvin Harrison's already gonna break out. He's gonna finish
it inside the top fifteen, and you got a draft
him there. So it's like, what am I gaming by
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drafting him this high? So I get why he's ranked
that high and he'll probably finish in that range. But
I'm looking for wins here. I'm looking for guys that
can see their ADP and who does that better than
anyone else rookie wide receivers. So I'll take Molak neighbors
two rounds later, take Ronman Noonsay three rounds later. Like
That's how I would rather approach it. So for me,
you know, if I'll get Marvin Harrison junior this year
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and he finishes a you know, wide receiver twelve, like, okay,
well he was good, but I got better value. So
with some of these other rookie wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Fitz, is there a landing spot that he could reasonably
go to that would have you come off the Marvin
Harrison hype a bit? You know, obviously Arizona is the
most common one. Perhaps they trade down La obviously would
be a great fit in terms of the opportunity, but
you know, the offense is not gonna be wide receiver focused,
you know. And I was going to say the Giants
are then next, So it's it's kind of hard to
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imagine Harrison fall into six. But if he does and
goes to New York, you know, that's a worse setup
than it would be. You know, with Kyler Murray or
Justin Herbert as his quarterback. So is there a spot
where you think this would actually be a little too
rich to draft him here?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Oh, I'm coming down for sure, fy Lands on the Giants,
New England and maybe even the Chargers, just because I
don't know how well all of a sudden, with the
Chargers the way their pass catchers have been depleted now,
even if they are run heavy, which I expect them
to be with Greg Roman and Jim Harbaugh calling the shots,
he's going to be the only show in talent basically
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as far as pass catchers. You know, Josh Palmer is
the complimentary receiver whatever, he would have a massive target share,
and I'd be the one thing I'd push back on
ericson about, Like I think Harrison has like top six
upside at wide receiver, so I believe you actually can
turn a profit with him in the third round. And
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like I rank him seventeen, he's below that ledge after
the top sixteen for me. But my goodness, this guy
has all sorts of upside, like he is going to
make a splash right away.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
And every one of these teams he'll be the top
option from day one.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
No questions.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Certainly New England, Arizona. I know they have Trey McBride,
but he's going to be the wide receiver one. Obviously,
LA and New York he'll be. He'll be wide receiver
one wherever he goes. Looking at the rest of this
kind of grouping, it's a lot of young players of talent.
You know, Rashi Rice second or player Sam Laporta obviously
a stellar first season. Is he the right guy for
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tight end one? Travis Kelcey's coming up in the next round.
Are we kind of officially passing the torch after last season?
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Fits I've got Laporta ranked one spot ahead of Kelsey
in my overall rankings, not just a tight end. Laporte
is my te one, but Kelsey is right behind him.
Like I don't want to totally bury Kelsey. The reason
that I had Kelsey sort of lower in my rankings,
like right after the Super Bowl, was because I had
some doubt about whether he was going to come back.
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I thought he might just call it quits after the championship.
But no, no retirement announcement, So it looks like he
will be back, and I don't know, maybe last year
while it's the beginning of the end and the drop
off gets a little more precipitous this year, but maybe not.
I mean, he just missed a thousand yard season and
everyone was talking about how disappointing Travis Kelcey was last year.
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So if that's disappointing, you know, sign me up for
him as a mid to late third round pick.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Eric said, it looks like you're far lower on Kelsey.
Are you will get him a little bit more in
the next section, But are you high on Laporta higher
and than Kelsey?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
I mean, I think that makes sense. The port is
tight end one, but like, I just don't think that
it's a I mean, look, besides Travis Kelcey being think
the first tight end drafted every single year, Like drafting
the first tight end hasn't traditionally worked. Like the best
strategy was the best strategy is to draft like a
Sam Laporta player, Right, what you win in twofold, right
because you win Sam Laporta scored so many points and
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because he was dirt cheap, Like, I just think that's
a better approach to just the tight end position in general.
When you're drafting, like you want to find value at
the I talked about with quarterback, say anything with tight end,
and that's the way I play, Like on these ones
he position like I want to find the value in them.
So I mean when it surprised me to off trade
McBride scores more points than Laporta, even if they bring
in Marvin Harrison junior. Like no, Like Trey McBride was
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a monster down the stretch. He was also a second
round pick, like very like great college profile. So if
I can get Trey McBride two rounds later, I'll just
do that. Like if I want to get an elite
tight end, Like what about Mark Andrews? Is he is
he dead? Like no, Like he was really productive before
he got hurt last year and he's still the number
one receiver on that team, So I can get him cheaper.
I can get Mark Andrews cheaper than he's like ever
been because Zavel Howers is there, Like is that really
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the reason why we're not going to draft Andrews is
because he's gotten hurt. He just got hurt last year,
like he's it's his injury problem has been Labar has
been the guy that's been getting hurt, not him. So
I think that there's just better value pockets than just
taking Samuela Porta. Yeah, I get that he shouldn't be
the number one tight end, but like it almost kind
of like sucks for him in that reason because like
now he gets steamed up. He's super expensive and you
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have to pay to get him when you could see
a bunch of other guys like I'd rather take the
field essentially first Laporta at a much cheaper cost.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Let's slide to the second half of round three. This
is the section of all the old vets. It's Keenan
Allen at thirty one, Travis Kelcey at thirty two, Jalen
Wattle at thirty three, Lamar Jackson at thirty four, then
Mike Evans at thirty five, and Cooper Cup at thirty six.
So four out of the six guys are definitely veterans
who have been around the block a number of times. Fits.
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What was your takeaway from this grouping of players?
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Cooper Cup is too high and Jalen Wattle is too low,
and I don't know, I guess I'm just much higher
in Jalen Waddle than anyone else. He's posted two straight
thousand yard seasons even though he's sharing a field with
Tyreek Hill had thirteen hundred plus yards in twenty twenty two.
Last year over one thousand yards one thy fourteen yards
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in just fourteen games. And that's with Tyreek Hill's health
being pretty pristine the last couple of years, Like if
Hill was going to miss any time, Waddle obviously gets
a big value boost, but like he produces with Tyreek
Hill around, and just you know, a young player coming
into his prime now really high on Waddle and Cup's
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health is just such a major concern, and now Pooka's there,
so it just seems like there's there's not one hundred
catch upside with Cooper Cup anymore. And and really he
only had one one hundred catch season anyway, So for
him to be a third rounder just seems really optimistic.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah, I mean ericson. Maybe I'm just being a victim
of like shiny new object syndrome, but like, if I'm
looking in this round of players, I'm definitely gonna be
taking Wattle over any of the older guys. It just
feels like you have a better shot at really hitting
it big than with these veterans who are on the
back nines of their careers.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
One hundred percent, like I lockstep with fits on the Wattle,
I think that it's a contract year for him. Look,
if there's any chance that Terry Kill doesn't average like
over three yards per hout run this year, chances are
that'll probably help Wattle. So you mentioned if hill To
takes like fraction of a second, you know, or a
fraction of his production comes down, like it's going to
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be Wattle in the offense that explodes, Like we saw
everyone else in this offense explode last year except for Wattle.
He's dealing with some injuries, but we know that it's
very capable of If you won your league last year
is because you drafted Dolphins players more likely than not.
So how do you get the cheapest one this year?
His name is Jalen Wattle because he's just discounted from
last year when like he still was efficient, like his
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yards para one was still really good. And you know
what I found is he's always going to be at
a good price because he's looked at as the number
two receiver on his team. But would we really be
crazily shocked if, oh, well, Wattle, you know this is
the year he finally outproduced Tyreek kill it finally happened, like,
that's not crazy to think about it. And if that happens,
like he's a guy that for me. That's why I
have Wattle over Marvin Harrison Junior. I think Waddle has
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a better chance of getting in the top six in
this Miami offense than Marvin Harrison Junior does in the
Cardinals offense or whatever offense he ends up going to,
because he's already been a wide receiver one in fantasy
for two seasons. So I also like, what a lot.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
I know Erickson is. You know, his plan is to
wait on quarterback and try and get the you know
guy a couple of rounds later. So fits I want
to ask you, you know, Jalen Hurts was at the
top round three, Lamar Jackson towards the back end of
round three. Actually, if we had gotten a thirty seven players,
the next guy up is Patrick Mahomes. Obviously we all
agree on, or at least I think we all agree
on Josh Allen as QB one, but Hurts QB two,
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Lamar QB three, Mahomes QB four. Does that sound like
the right order to you, even if you're not necessarily
targeting those guys in these rounds.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
No, like I'm fading Hurts. We saw just the drop
off and passing efficiency going from eight yards per attempt
in twenty twenty two to seven point two last year,
and I think from Thanksgiving on it was like six
point five yards per attempt. So he was not good
as a passer last season, especially down the stretch. And
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I just don't know if we're gonna get like, yes,
he's been routinely scoring double digit touchdowns, what if that
doesn't happen and the fifteen last year career high, I like,
I don't want to count on the rushing touchdowns to
float his value. I'm okay with Lamar in the back
of the third round, and I'd even be okay with
Mahomes in the back of the third round. Allen and
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Hurtz just seem like they are way too high right now.
As far as ADP I think Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
You know, they added Hollywood Brown, I you know they
might still add a guy who's going to be really
talented at the end of the first round in this
year's class, I think Mahomes could end up being of value.
Is there anybody Erickson that was not in the top
thirty six that you think should have been that you
really want to kind of plant your flag on. I mean,
the next couple of guys in ADP, Tank Dell, DK Metcalf,
James Cook, Rashad White, Isaiah Pacheka, DeVonta Smith, Amari Cooper,
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Kenneth Walker, Mark Andrews, Drake London, CJ straut T Higgins,
or anybody lower. Is there anybody that you think really
should have been in the top thirty six.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Well, I just sort of think it's worth noting that
you know, this is looking at like best ball ADP,
so there is definitely a narrative for more wide receivers
than running backs. They will necessary. I see, So you
kind of listed off that next tier of running backs
for Shad White, Isaiah Bachaco, James Cook, Like, I'm I
have those guys in my like standard redraft top thirty six.
(49:11):
Like I think that those guys are worthy at the
running back position, where I would much rather take those
guys than some of the older wide receivers that we
kind of talked about just do the scarcity position. I
think that these running backs are young, like James Cooks
a young running back for shod White, young running back,
like Jaco Young running back. Like these guys are set
up to like be really productive in their offenses, So
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I don't want to turn a shoulder on that type
of production for a wide receiver that I'm really concerned
about all like their production is gonna dwindle? Are they
gonna be able to keep this up? So yeah, I
have those guys a little bit higher than the ADP
ranks have them.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Fitz, What do you think about guys that aren't in
the top thirty six that should be? I don't know that,
Like like a Derrek Henry for example, probably shouldn't be
top thirty six, but I think he's definitely gonna outperform.
He's ADP fifty six right now. You know Zay Flowers
thought another raven year two. Trey McBride I think is
a good one. Richardson at fifty or Are there any
names to stand out to you that really should be
in the top thirty six?
Speaker 2 (50:04):
James Cook for sure.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Not only did he like man, he was terrific last year,
but he only scored two rushing touchdowns on two hundred
and thirty seven carries.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
He scored a touchdown on under one percent of his carries.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Josh Allen scoring fifteen touchdowns on the ground, like that's
not going to happen again. So I think there's going
to be some regression there that works out in James
Cook's favor Rashad White. I mean, it's very possible the
Buccaneers draft a running back who poses some sort of
threat to Rashad White's every down role, in which case
he would have to be dropped in my rankings at least.
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But we also thought the Bucks were going to add
someone last year. They never really did, and White was
just this really valuable workhorse. Kenneth Walker, I think people
are totally sleeping on I mean when he came to
the league, there were people who thought he was as
good or really close to Brese Hall in terms of talent,
and I do think even if he's not as good
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as Brice Hall, he's still really talented and probably more
talented than like half a dozen backs who are getting
drafted earlier than he is. I don't know if it's
Zach Sharbone scaring people away, but when they played like
Walker averaged basically twice as many touches per game as
Sharbona last year, you know we Seattle was the fifth
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pass heaviest team in the league last year, and now
they've got a new offensive coordinator. I do realize it's
the former Washington Husky's offensive coordinator, and they were pretty
pass heavy last year too, but I still think there's
a chance they run it a little bit more this year.
I mean, this guy's averaged just a hair under eighty
scrimmage yards per game in his two years as a
pro and has nine touchdowns in his first two years
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despite missing two games in each of those two years.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
I just think people are sleeping on Kenneth Walker a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
We will get out of there on that one. Thank
you everybody for tuning in. We ran through the top
already six players and even gave you a bunch of
bonus ones as well. Appreciate everybody tuning in this week.
As always, We'll be back in next week for ericson
and fits. I am Ryan Warmley. We'll see again next time.
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