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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy pros Football Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Ryan Warmley, joining.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
This Tuesday morning by Andrew Rickson and.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
By Chris Welsh Bellas.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We are talking some week nine bilos and sell highs.
We'll be talking some running backs. We'll be talking some
wide receivers. Were talking some guys to hold if you're
not buying or selling. We will run through the gamut
as we do every Tuesday. I haven't done two of
the last three Tuesdays for various scheduling reasons, so I
appreciate you guys stepping up in my absence, not once,
but twice recently. I am back for the rest of
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the way, you know, hopefully, and we'll have some fun
here before we jump in, I do want to talk
a little bit about Monday Night football, and not because
there was any one thing that I wanted to talk about,
but because I was traveling yesterday and I didn't get
to watch. So I want you guys to tell me
if there was anything relevant, any takeaways I need to
have from this game. I'm looking at the box score,
of course, obviously Steelers won twenty six to eighteen over
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the Giants. Giants Tyrone Tracy twenty carries one hundred and
forty five yards and a touchdown. Najee Harris nineteen FO
one hundred and fourteen, George Pickens four for seventy four
where Calvin Austin had a couple of touchdowns. Looks like
it mainly a field goal fest though, So Eric, so,
what was kind of your main takeaways watching this that
you would want to tell me having missed the game.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, the offense has moved the ball pretty well in
the first half, but nobody could score a touchdown because
of penalties, because of this and that. But both teams
were moving up and down the field. Eventually we saw
the Suders kind of break things open. Calvin Austin had
a punt return touchdown. Somebody asked me in Instagram between
Calvin Austin, Van Jefferson or Theo Johnson, you need to start
one of these guys, and I said Calvin Austin. And
it came through, and I was very very happy about
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it because it was three really bad players. We replacements
for Rico Dawdle who did not play on Sunday night,
so or did not play on Sunday. So, Yeah, Calvin
Austin came through, so I was very happy about that.
Tyrone Tracy, he him the new Giants RB one. We
look at the snap counts, it does suggest maybe more
of a split, but all the touches were for Tyron Tracy.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
He was dealing with an injury throughout.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
He did get banged up towards the end of the game,
so that's something to pay attention to just as we're
heading into week nine. Just monitor his health status because
there a couple of good matchups coming up for the
Giants in the run game. So all on out performance
that kind of what we expected. George Pickens had not
one but two touchdowns called back, So don't be frustrated
because he didn't find the end zone because he was
very very close and Russ is definitely looking for him
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in the red zone.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
That's what I was gonna say. I think we're back
to not understanding what a catch is anymore, because.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I wasn't really that bad.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
It's it's that bad. It's that bad where he caught it.
He had his feet down there. There was no juggle.
When you when you look at like a replay and
you're like, okay, well I get a find. I guess
the problem ultimately is what call they make. They have
to have the evidence to pull across. It was touchdown, Like,
I don't know what you think about, Like the ball
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doesn't move, his feet are down. It is everything that
a catch is, and it is nitpicking that they called
that some type of a bob bobble to. Incompletion, we
don't know what a catch is.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Again, just the only name we haven't mentioned in terms
of mainly fantasy relevant some Milik Neighbors. Thirteen targets, seven catches,
seventy one yards, no touchdown, any standout from that game
or seemed just pretty normal Neighbors game obviously didn't maybe
not as many catch up passes. I'm guessing you know,
thirteen targets only seven.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yeah, normal, not good, Daniel Jones exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
All Neighbors had a couple drops too.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I mean, I think it's a pretty typical Neighbors performance,
a lot of targets. Efficiency wasn't great, but it was
a tougher matchup. Joey Porter Junior is a good cornerback
for the Steelers, so I wouldn't be worried. Neighbors is
still the alpha in this passing game.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, cool, So that's our Monday night recap with me
contributing nothing. I thank you guys for helping out there.
Let's just into our week nine running backs buy low,
sell high. I should say buys and lows, because really
we can include some buy highs and some sell lows
if that's the direction you guys want to take it.
But this is our running back trade show here for
week nine. Let's start with the running backs that were
buying Welsh Who are you buying at this position?
Speaker 5 (03:53):
The running back I'm gonna buy? I thought I thought
it was really hard. I thought a lot of these
were really difficult this week. I think Ericson picked some
good names. I'm not sure that they were a whole
bunch to pick from, especially as we get into week nine.
I also think the trade market just becomes a lot tighter.
I don't think there's a lot of like fun little
sneakiness you can pull off here or there, but there
are a few. And one that jumped out to me
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is ken Walker right now. I mean, ken Walker has
definitely been a nice little touchdown magnet. Dude's got six
touchdowns on the year in six games played, or actually
seven with a receiving touchdown, but he's only played the
last five weeks. He missed a couple of those. He
has five touchdowns rushing over those last five games, but
the volume hasn't been there, and that's actually something that
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I'm kind of banking on in this situation. He has
not topped fifteen carries since Week one, you know, he
missed time. They then pushed through with Zach Sharbone. But
this week it really showed out in one of the
worst performances, nine carries for twelve yards. He has been
more involved in the passing game, but one of the
reasons behind this was time of possession. The time of
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possession was like almost like one hundred percent, an increase
across the board, like twenty minutes on the field. This team, Seahawks.
They got to get the ball back on the ground.
The positive is that we've seen Ken Walker be more
involved in that receiving game. He's had five or more
targets in four of his last five games, which is killer.
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That's kind of been like a sharbon eate ish thing.
But I think moving forward, this team is going to
have to rely more on the running game, especially you know,
losing guys like DK Metcalf and just overall they've just
been a one dimensional kind of passing team. But kN
Walker looks as good as he's ever looking. You have
to actually physically watch him. He looks great. Just the
opportunities have not quite been there coming up over the
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next couple of weeks. I don't usually talk about trades
in a small capsule of like, here's what's coming up
in the next couple of weeks, but I think there
are some favorable matchups. I mean, you know, the forty
nine Ers stopped the Cowboys, but the Cowboys can't run.
Forty nine ers have been a team you can run on.
They're playing them coming off the by in a week eleven.
They've got the Rams and they got the Cardinals, all
division stuff that those are games where the blueprint is run, run, run,
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pound the ball, and manage some type of possession. I
just think Ken Walker doesn't have the juice of a
RB one right now in a lot of people's minds,
and he might be a great second half buy in
the Joe you know what we talked about Joe Bicks
a couple of weeks ago, where I was like, hey, listen,
he's a top five running back in the league, he's
being valued outside the top ten. This is one of
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those like I don't think ken Walker is maybe being
valued inside the top fifteen, and I think he can
pretty easily crack that. So I'd be trying to go
get some ken Walker shares right now.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
To that time a possession point thirty eighth three for Buffalo,
twenty one fifty seven for Seattle. So obviously a large
disparity there. You know, ericson on Walker, was this a
matter of game scripts just getting away from them? I mean, well,
shit on the point that he is more involved in
the passing game than he has been in previous years,
which at least raises the floor a bit. I mean,
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if he was nine for twelve, no touchdown, no touchdown,
it didn't have that passing usage, then this would have
looked even more disastrous for him. You know, where are
you evaluating him? And does this game against the run
defense that had been had a couple of times by
some other rushing offenses this season for them to not
have success with that, was that just a matter of
game script tour? Was there any kind of concern for
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you on the Walker's side.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I have no concerns for Kenneth Walker. This game for
Seattle was an absolute disaster. They had two first and goals,
didn't score touchdown on either of them. I think a
lot of ken Walker's actual yardage is because he had
to recover a bought snap and lost.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
A bunch of yards. Even gained a lot of yards
on that nineteen Yeah, people.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Forget about that. Then snap went back. I think he
had a minus nineteen yard loss falling on that far.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So I hate that we can't just like have some
official scorekeeper be like, listen, he didn't lose that yardage,
Like why is that be?
Speaker 5 (07:49):
It's like the quarterbacks being sacked not counting to rushing
your type of thing, like let's have a fumble recovery.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Not pige or Also, and this is just an aside,
but I'm looking at this box score and it talks
about mixture Bisky Neil out. Obviously nobody really cared about
Trubisky doing that. But like, I hate when you lose
points like you get minus point one for quarterback kneeling,
And the argument that has been made to me is, well,
somebody needs to account for those yards. I'm like, why
it's a kneel, it's not part. It's literally just a
formality to end the game so nobody gets hurt and
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they don't give up the ball like I don't understand
why those yards need to count. Not that it often
ends up impacting fantasy performances just a couple of percentage points.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
But that's always been a pet peeve of mine. So sorry, Ericson,
I cut you off no again.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Ken Walker definitely a by you.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Look at what he's done this season RB forty one
last week, he hasn't finished outside the top twenty one
and any other game that he's played.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I know he missed two games with injuries. I think
really that's his only downside is he's just been banged up.
But he's already missed his games this year. He's already
hit his requisite missed games for the year. So I
feel good about ken Walker and going back to the schedule, well,
she continues to be good. He faces the Cardinals again
in Week fourteen. Week thirteen plays the New York Jets,
so the schedule is usy for the next six or
seven games.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
We're not sure.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
The Seahawks passing game DK Metc has been banged, but
he should be back soon. They have the Bye Wee
coming up as well in week ten, so I will
keep I will come with that caveat though, if you
need wins right now, he's gonna be gone in week ten.
So if you're on the fence, maybe this is the
time trade for ken Walker. But if you're feeling pretty
good about your roster, you want to upgrade at running
back just rest of season you're in the hunt for
your playoffs. I think ken Walker is a strong by high.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Eric Satan is Walker a top eight running back rest
of the season for you. Top ten, top twelve, top fifteen,
what's the number for.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Top yeah, top eight running back? Yeah, I think he's
definitely in the mix of the top guys. He's been
a belcal all season long and this is just his
you know, his one bad game.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I think I problem probably would have him right around
RB eight range would make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Welsh kind of the same range for you.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yeah, I'm just saying like to I think like the
top ten is there. So if you've got people that
focus maybe a little bit more on this last week
where it really kind of fell apart, and you're getting
him outside the top fifteen, that's where the value is
And you know there's another argument just to throw out
real quick as well, that there's a lot of speculation
we did in the early weeks and stuff like that,
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not that you're not going to still, you know, speculate,
like you know, if we were talking like wide receivers,
you know, Cedric Tillman, that's like a waiver type of guy,
but that's a guy that you definitely could roll the
rest of the year. My point is is, like you're
going to make some of those big trades right now,
make those big pushes. You really do want to have
as hyper focus as you can on like the elite
of the elite, Like you know, Tyrone Tracy was really great,
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but like do you want to trade a lot of
equity and a guy like Tyler and Tracy on that
lineup with the giants. I'm probably going to be more
hyper focused on the highest possible return of players in
trades than it is trying to you know, win a
little one here, win a little one there. Like you
got to make your big moves.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
In week nine, ericson what running back are you buying?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I'm god, I'm dumpster diving this week, folks.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Rico Daubtle for the Dallas Cowboys, somebody that I teased
last week on X about being a potential by low candidate,
someone I thought was kind of sneaky coming off the
bye week, and well, we didn't see him. We didnt
see him play on Sunday night because he was sick.
He had an illness. I don't know what's going on.
There were some conspiracy theories being thrown out that Jerry
Jones couldn't bring it to make Ezekiel Elliott in an
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active or healthy scratch, so they made up this fake
illness with Rico Dawdell because they also brought Dalvin Cook
up from the practice squad. But conspiracy theories aside. I
still think he's the best running back on the Dallas Cowboys.
As we are recording this here on Tuesday morning. There's
nothing that I saw in that game between Ezekiel Elliott
and Dalvin Cook that suggests, oh yeah, the Dallas Cowboys
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still have their running backs of the future on the roster.
Dowdell was getting talked up by Mike McCarthy coming out
of the bye week. Again, the illness was unexpected and
it put fantasy managers in a bind. In some situations,
so I think people are really frustrated with Dowdell. But
now he's rock bottom in terms of his price, and
he's still the starting running back for the Dallas Cowboys
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in my opinion, and you know he plays this week
the Atlanta Falcons, one of the best matchup you can
have for a running back. So I get the Dallas
to struggle to run the football, but what else are
they gonna do offensively? They have to try something else
because what they're doing on offense right now, trotting out
the dusties of dust running backs between Zeke and Cook
is not working. So I think that doubt will at
worst again even this season, he's been highly involved as
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a receiver, so I think at worse he's going to
have that role. And we saw him have a good game.
His best game of the season came against the Pittsburgh Steelers,
a really good run defense. So I think Daddell has
the juice and I'm not scared of either of those guys.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Really.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
The only way I see this not working out is
Dallas makes a move running back at the trade deadline
or they signed somebody else, a cle Herbert type of player.
But besides that happening I think it's Daddell's job right now,
and nothing I've seen suggest otherwise. So I'm gonna buy
Rico Dadell for basically pennies on the dollar. Also, Week
fifteen in the Fantasy Football Playoffs they play the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
That is extremely enticing. Wel do you also see Daddle
as a buy low right now?
Speaker 5 (12:53):
I like how you were selling it, like sometimes we
need caffeine and maybe we don't get a doctor Pepper,
but you get doctor Rocket. He's doctor Rocket for me.
He's like a store brand running back that you buy
for cheap because you don't want to pay up on
the big money. But do I am I actively seeking
Doctor Rocket now? Not really like I know what you're
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doing here and I buy that. Like this running back
corps is garbage, Like Dalvin Cook is not going to
be Kareem Hunt to the Chiefs for the Cowboys. Ezekiel
Elliott is as washed as washed can be. And to
be fair, they gave Daubtle in Week five twenty carries.
He's pretty good four and a half yards per carry,
Like that was a recipe that some reason doesn't click
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up here for the team keep running the ball kind
of the same thing back to Ken Walker. You know
what a great way to flip time of possession is
running the ball and managing the clock. Same thing for
the Cowboys. Run the ball a little bit more, establish
some of that. That's going to help your passing game.
My worry is that they could trade for some actually
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maybe the guy that I'm going to be selling here,
that they could trade, and that kills the value. My
other main worry with it, it's not so much about
Rico Daddell. It's that this team really hasn't completely learned.
I mean, I guess give them credit that you did
get twenty carries out of him, but no other game
Dawdle has had over twelve carries this entire season. He
hasn't been massively involved in the passing game like you see.
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If he was getting volume, I think he would be
like what we're seeing out of like Tyrone Tracy or
Frankly the beginning of the year of the guy that
I'm going to be talking about here in a minute.
So I can co sign this from a give me
the pennies on the dollar back for a guy that
if this team finally decides to just you know, bulk
up and say, all right, let's do this. Daddle should
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be the guy, because it's not the other two guys.
I just don't trust the cowboys and making the right decision.
And I think that's what's hard about it. But if
you're getting him for almost nothing, absolutely this kind of
counter what I like, literally set up to say, Like
I'm out here trying to get it like the highest
impact players. What I guess what I don't like. I
don't want to play the middle ground in trades right now.
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I don't want to go and buy you know, the
a middle I keep going to Tyrone Tracy's just in
my brain right now, but like, I don't want to
pay up for a Tyrone Tracy. I either want to
buy super super low on a doubtle type of player,
or I want to get the slight discount on an
elite player. I just don't want to go and buy
Naji Harris or like sad Tyrone Tracy or any of
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those type of players. Give me dirt cheap or give
me the high end return.
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Speaker 2 (16:55):
All right, Welsh, who is your running back? To sell?
Speaker 4 (16:58):
All right?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
The running back that I was alluding to is Chuba Hubbard,
and I think one of the narratives around is there's
been so much positivity of hey guys, Cuba is gonna
be alright, like, let's do this. I don't know if
Tuba is going to be alright. One main reason this
Panthers team is abysmal. Bryce Young coming back bad news,
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absolute bad news. They're going to trade off Deantey Johnson
bad news because this team is just not going to
move the ball. You've also got Jonathan Brooks coming back,
and I think that's the worst news to it, because
you have a team that is just completely decimated. Is
gonna throw it in. Chuba Hubard has been the best player,
but That's kind of my main point. You get this
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little positive narrative that's still out there that Hey Brooks
is probably not going to take away. And Cuba has
been great. I mean, Cuba's i think fifth in the
NFL and rushing yards, which is phenomenal. Though I just
want to point out we have like two of the
top five rushers in the NFL that are potentially going
to be on the downtick Chuba Hubbard and mainly Jordan Mason.
But also like when you look statistical, Cuba is on
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a six week decline in Fantasy points in half PPR,
where he had that week three through five top ten
performances at RB down to thirty four this week. Six
straight weeks he has declined. We've also seen a three
straight week decline in his carries. Overall, we've seen his
rushing yards go from that five range very heavily weighted
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between weeks two and five where he was rushing and
averaging over five yards per carry. The last two games
he has not cracked over three point seven yards per carry.
So a team that cannot throw the ball, that is
not going to have the ball a whole lot and
has a dynamic rookie running back that's ready to come in,
and even if it's taking a tiny bit, I just
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think long gone are the days of Cuba Hubbard putting
up those top twelve, top fifteen RB performances. And I
feel like this might be and I might be wrong
about this. Frankly, my cell running backs have not been
great this year on some of the guys I've wanted
to sell off off of, But this is a situation
where I think this is kind of our last opportunity
to sell off him, and I think there are extra
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factors beyond his talent that are going to take away
from his potential fantasy production. If you were to be
traded though, that is where things could get exciting. But
I am selling Cuba Hubbard, and you know what, maybe,
in a world where someone is paying attention at stats,
if I can trade a Cuba to go get a
Ken Walker, I'm dancing and jumping because Cuba is the
one that really jumps off the list as far as
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what he did in those early weeks. But I think
we are going to be waving goodbye to high end
Panthers production.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, I mean you'd have to add to Tuba to
get Walker. I you know, a decent amount. But if
he's like a piece in the what do you want?
I mean, what else do you I would assume you
would need to add a pretty significant piece. I think
I think most people are expecting, like Brooks coming back
and you know Walker, I think they probably.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Just view it as a one off game.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean maybe, I mean it's worth asking in your leagues,
but I think you would need to add in like
a pretty sigh. You can have it, yeah, I mean
that you can't have it name ericson you know, Chuba
Hubbard right now RB twenty eight rest of season in
our expert consensus rankings?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Is that too high to lower?
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Just right?
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I think it's right. I have him RB thirty.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
There's just a lot of question marks about what he's
going to be doing when it matters most in the
Fantasy football playoffs? Is he on the Panthers anymore? That
matters is Jonathan Brooks taking over as the RB one
and the Panthers. So there is a risks involved, which
kind of Welsh talked about, where if he gets traded
to one of these teams that really needs a running back,
does he just become a star? And I wanted to
actually pose the question to or actually before I pose
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another question to Welsh. You also look at if he
does stay on the Panthers the next two games, it's
more positive matchups. He has the New Orleans Saints this
week week nine, that's a great matchup, and then he's
got the Giants, so good matchups before the bye week.
I think two weeks is probably what you have left
of Chuba Hubber being a starting asset, and then after
the bye week, I would assume that we start to
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see more of Brooks if Chee Harby.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I think, though, I know you have a question for Welsh.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I think though that maybe that's a case to trade him,
because after the next two weeks, you know, he's got
the buy a week lace at whatever, Like, I think
people will be even less inclined to win a trade him.
Right now you can at least sell on listen, he's
been good, he's getting usage, and you're gonna get at
least two good weeks out of and we expect and
if you need to win now, then you're if you're
you know, a first place team or whatever, you can
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then be looking to the playoffs when you don't expect
him to contribute.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
And also if Brooks is activated, he is there for
those really two good weeks because I looked at that
because you're right, like it's like bottom eight defenses in
yards given up per game rushing in the Saint what
is it? The Saints and the Giants. So it is
a good matchup, but it's also something where Brooks has
potential to do that then they have the buy and
then they come back against Kansas City, one of the
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absolute worst matches you could possibly have. So I actually
I like what Worm said here, it's maybe one more
week if you want to do that, like you want
to get a little bit ahead of it. But that's
why I signal this time right here, where it's like
there are some good advantages while Brooks potentially could get
out there as well and sell. But what was your
question ericson week fifteen?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
This is gonna be a trade Panthers Cowboys who are
starting Rico Dallar, Chuba Hubbard, and who do you want
rest of the season Rico Dallar, Chub Hubbard.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Well, if Cuba is a Cowboy, then it's going to
be Chuba. That would be the problem and it will
definitely not be Rico's the that's the factor. I mean,
it's going to get answered the next week if but
I kind of don't think Tuba is going to get
traded at this point. I don't know what the market
is for anybody buying on running backs right now. The
wide receiver market, I don't know, doesn't seem it doesn't
seem that crazy for what a lot of these guys are.
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And I think he is more accessible. Back to your question,
real quick, I would I it actually. I mean, like
if the Cowboys trade for somebody, it's not Rico. If
they don't trade for somebody, I think I might go Rico.
I mean, that is a great matchup against Carolina for them,
So I think I would go Rico in that instance.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah, I did want to say too.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I know that the Panthers are obviously sellers at the
trade line. They might just trade Miles Sanders instead. They
don't have anymore he doesn't have any more guaranteed. No,
he doesn't have his any more money left on his contract,
so he's done. So teams might look at Miles Sanders
as Hey, this guy was really good on the Eagles.
The Cowboys are familiar with Miles Sanders. Based on how
often he played with the Philadelphia Eagles. So maybe it's
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not Hubbard that gets traded because I mean the Panthers
like Hubbard, so maybe they don't want to move him.
And sure, Miles Sanders can probably be chea. I mean,
no one wants to trade anything worth anything for a
running back.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
We know that.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
So if Sanders costs a seventh round pick to get
that's the guy who's getting traded from Carolina.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
So a seventh round pick swap, not even just the
seventh yeah, hunder.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I mean when a cam Akers get traded for a
seventh round pick in two thousand and thirty.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Exactly, it's very it's very NBA esque trade where they're
trading the picks in the twenty thirties.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, all right, let's go to your running back to
cell ericson.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I'm trusting the process here. Raheem Mostert is my running
back to sell. He had nineteen rushing yards on nine
carries and he but he scored two rush touchdowns. So
last year Raheem Mostert, we talked about him as a
cell high I think every single show, and we were
wrong because he ended up scoring twenty plus touchdowns and
what are we seeing so far this year? Again, Oh,
he's scoring more touchdowns. I'm doubling down. I don't think
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that Raheem Moster is going to be able to keep
this up and do what he did last year where
he's just scoring touchdowns left and right. I know the
schedule is really good for these my Dolphins upcoming. We
talked about it last week when I talked about a
Chan as a buy, and that looks good so far
through one week with Tua back, the schedule for the
Dolphins running backs is really good Buffalo, the Rams, Raiders,
and Patriots over the next four weeks. But I don't
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have faith in most of the rest of season he's
even going to be the RB two in this backfield.
Every time Jalen Wright touches the ball, it's super explosiveness.
And I think the Dolphins know that a Chan has
a tighter grip on the RB one role than he
did last year, where I think it was more of
a one A one B situation with Moster. In the
first half of last game, it was eight Chan eleven
to three in terms of first half touches. Most was
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basically only used in the red zone, and that goes
away because a Chan is the better receiver, Jalen Wright
is the more explosive rusher, and most It's really just
like threading the needle with this touchdown production. So the
process always says you've got to sell after these multi
touchdown games that you don't think are going to sustain
because of the player's talent. So I'm skeptical that Rahem
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Moster's going able to keep this up, and I want
to sell high off of the big game with good
matchups coming up, because I'm not going to be surprised
if we look up and Jalen Wright is the one
that's surplanted or usurping Rieheem Mostert when a Chan is
getting a breather on the sideline. You look at just
rushing success rate this season, Moster at thirty three percent.
That rings forty second out of fifty two qualifying running
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backs this season. Against the Cardinals, both a Chan and
Jalen Wright, we're averaging nearly nine yards per carry and
Raheem Mostert was at two point one against the same defense. Now,
again it does come with the caveat that Mosart was
rushing the red zone a lot of the time, so
that's why his yards Percaria was a little bit lower,
but still, I just think that the Dolphins have to
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find ways to get Jalen right more involved. I think
that's going to come to the expense of Raheem Moster,
and if he doesn't score, he's not going to score
any fantasy points for you.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I would say the other caveat is that Jalen Wright
only had two carries, like, I mean, obviously nine yards
Kerry also, but a small subside. I don't disagree with
your point. I just wanted to at least mention that Welsh,
what do you think about Raheem Mostert as a cell?
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, I mean I think if you can sell him, great,
I think that would be My only pushback to this
would be like, who's buying Raheem Moster? Like I would
think that a trade would be super exciting. Let's go
back to the Cowboys again. Can you imagine Raheem Moster
on the Dallas Cowboys? That then we're talking crazy. That
would be I think the person buying Raheem Moster, it
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would be doing it in a speculative state. But I
think most are as a dolphin at this point. I'm
just really not sure what you get. It might be
one of those cases you actually might be better with
Moster than what your return can be. So that would
be my only major pushback, because I think everybody on
the planet knows Devon ah Chan should continue to get
a whole bunch of run. We've seen Jalen Wright. Jalen
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Wright's looked better than most and they've kind of bounced
back between them. Most are had to fumble and then
Jalen Wright end up coming in. I just don't know
what you can ultimately get, Like if you.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Could Rico Daddell, I don't there you go.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
I don't think you can't.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
You can't get rico' daddell for Raheemo.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Moster for one of the a back that is a
clear number two in the system that is sharing the
number two with another role. That's my pushback. I don't
think you can get Rico Daddell. I don't think you
could get Waiver Wires, Cedric Tillman. I don't think you
could get maybe get Josh Downs at this point, and
if Flacco were to be the quarterback, that would be good.
My only push is what can you get for Moster
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or because I think this is a clear sell because
Devon a Chen needs more touches. I think we forget
just want to throw this out too. I think we
forgot how important Tua is to a Chan. We've did
so much of a focus on Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle.
You forgot how important it was for h Chan for
his involvement in the passing game into a liking to
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throw to him. He's gonna get his touches. He's going
to get a Chan his fifteen to twenty touches. And
then there's a finite amount between Mostert and Jalen Wright.
And there wasn't a Jalen Wright last year to take
away from Moster. There is this year. So if we're
coming back to you know, we're poking at some of
this stuff, like my tuba thing, and you're poking and
you're like, well, you know you're gonna have to pay
a whole lot more to get ken Walker for Tube.
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But even though Tube is top five or six in
the NFL and rushing, I think savvy enough people are
gonna like, what do I have to what do I
have to give you for most I just don't I
don't know what that return looks like. But I'm selling it.
But so I'm in agreement, I mean complete agreement. I
am getting.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Could you get off Nick Chubb?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
No, I don't think so. Am I wrong? I out, like,
what do you think? Tell me if I'm wrong?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I don't know what the public perception is of Chubb
right now. I would rather have Chubb for sure.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
But yeah, so that's the point. Could you could you
trade Moster to get I don't think you could trade
Moster to get doubt of.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So this this will probably update a bit during the week,
since we're only on Tuesday morning here, But right now,
in ECR Rest of season rankings, most it's RB forty one.
The guys around him are guys like Algier, Jalen, Warren,
Travis Etn, Zach Moss, Sharbone, Pacheco. Those are kind of
the names that are sandwiching most Jonathan Brooks as well,
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those are names that are kind of sandwiching him right now.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
And then we know, we know, like it's fantasy like
in trades, probably not trading Mostard for a running back.
It's probably not a one for one. I think we
can ask you know, who would you rather rest of season?
And that's where it pushes down. But then if you
start talking about the equitable wide receivers, Like so, if
you were trading Moster to get a wide receiver, you're
probably looking at a wide receiver that's in the forty
or fifty range. And I think that again that comes
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back to like that's the problem, like could you get
Jacobe Myers for Mostert? I mean, honest with you, I'm
not just So.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Let's just look at our flex rest of season rankings.
The closest receivers to him, Tyler Lockett, Jerry Judy, Cedric
Tillman is there that's going to go up the Sekreshod Bateman,
Jalen McMillan, Keon Coleman is a little ahead of him.
Christian Watson is a little ahead of him. Josh Downs.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
See that's interesting. That group is really interesting, And I
think what's worth here because I think the most important
thing is like agree sell Mostert. So if you can
get Daubdell Slam, if you can get Chubbed Slam, but
also target maybe some of those wide receivers. I was
big last week on Keon Coleman. Maybe someone is like, ooh,
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I just had this extra free thing. And Cedric Tillman
and they want some running back, death slam, slam slam.
You can do all of that, and you can also
do it on my playbook. You can check out the
trade analyzer. You can go through put some Raheem Moster
trades out there, see what they look like, and put
it in the comments below to let us know, because
this is an agreement. But this is just a stalemate
for me of what does a trade look like for
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most Art because I think he is the most slam
of everybody we've talked about. It's the most obvious of
all of them. And I just think Rubber meets.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
About your boy Jennings on the bye week missing it
he's injured.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Well, I would slam trade Moster off.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
I know. That's how I want. I want people to
do that. I agree can.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Slam slam Boom. We're gonna give it two booms.
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Speaker 1 (33:15):
All right, guys, let's do some quick buyseller hold running
back trios. How about Nick Chubb, Bucky Irving, and Javonte
Williams ericson Nick Chubb, Bucky Irving, Gravante Williams who are
you buying?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Who are you selling? Who are you holding?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I'm gonna buy Nick Chubb because I think he's gonna
get healthier as the season progresses, and he's the cheapest
part of this Browns offense. So you can get right
now because it's Jamis Winston. Really takes this Browns offense
to a above average level like we saw against the
Baltimore Ravens, then Chubb is gonna benefit because he's gonna
have touchdown equity. So I buy Nick Chubb because I
think he's also kind of cheap right now. Gonna hold
Bucky Irving because I think that he looks like the
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best running back in that Buccaneers backfield. Again, it's not
perfect the way that he's used because they use the
other guys, but he's been a standout and they need
to lean more on the running backs in general with
the injuries to the wide receivers. I'm gonna hold Bucky
and I'm just gonna sell Javonte Williams. I can't keep
going back to him because he's too inconsistent, whether he's
a good matchup one week, bad matchup next week. One week,
Sean Payton loves him the next week Jean Payton hates him.
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I just I just can't with Javonte. So again, if
you can get doubtell any of these running backs we
talked about as buys that are on the cheap. You
can sell Javonte because he had a good game two
weeks ago. It wasn't great against the Panthers. I want
to sell Jamonte.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Not being great against the Panthers is typically a bad sign.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Now, well, Nick Chubb, Bucky Irving, Givante Williams.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
My favorite analysis of all time is I just can't
like I love it. That's exactly how I feel about
Gavonte wob I just can't. So I'm in agreement on this,
but I'm gonna flip Chubb and Bucky Irving. So I'm
glad I feel like we're in this scene because I
feel like Bucky and Nick Chubb. If you want to
flip it like you did, I think we're in the
same general vicinity. I will say I was a pretty
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heavy like, go sell Nick Chubb guy, and they are
giving him the carries and that looks good. The production
isn't necessarily there, but if Jameis Winston opens up this game,
they're gonna be able to run more. I do worry
and I've kind of said this a lot that I
felt like this team told us and showed us what
the game plan is with running backs and Nick Chubb
when Drome Ford was out where they're running both of them.
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So I still feel like Nick Chubb is kind of
capped and I'm not sure that explosive is and this
is there, but it is more than I thought. And
if he continues to build up, maybe there is a
twenty carry game in there. But I'm gonna hold him
because Erickson said it best, like Bucky Irving looks great.
He just still looks good. And you know, if Bucky
Irving was like Tank Bigsby in that he just ran
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the ball and he wasn't invested in the passing game,
I might feel differently about this. But like Rashad White
is not involved in the running game, he's almost exclusively
his production comes out of the passing game. And guess what,
Bucky Irving had more targets, more catches, and more receiving
yards this past week, and he gets more rushes. He
is the better runner. Tucker Bye Bye kicked out. Bucky
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Irving's the bye to me, right, now because whatever he
did last week, I don't think like jumps off the
page for people to be like, oh, yeah, he is back. No,
I think Bucky Irving's the guy that should continue to
get usage. And frankly, like Rashad White's not going anywhere,
but everybody's hurt in Tampa Bay until they maybe go
trade for like Deantay Johnson or something that both Rashad
White and Bucky Irving can get some run. But Bucky
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Irving should be the primary guy. So he's gonna be
my buy.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
One other trio here, Raheem Moster, who we talked about
a bit already, Alexander Madison and Austin Eckler. Well, I'll
start with you on this one. Mostert Madison or Eckler.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Uh Sell sells all. This is gonna be a tough
one to put together. I'm going to buy Eckler, hold Madison,
and Sell Mostert. I think, okay, so we're in it together.
Uh Madison is one one hundred percent touchdown dependent. There's
nothing he is. I said this the other day. The
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Mark Andrews of running backs, Like mar Everyone's like, oh,
Mark Andrews is back, He's the Yeah, because the touchdowns,
like that's the only thing. There's no vollyeme anymore. If
Mark Andrews didn't get touchdowns, we'd all be crying again
about it. But he's getting touchdown, so good for him.
Great offense, Alexander Madison horrible offense. Cannot do anything unless
he gets a touchdown, So I'm saying a lot of
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negative about it. But he still is kind of the
starter over Zamir White, so he is the hold. I
can't put him as a buy. Echelare did it just
because of what he can do in the receiving game,
but this is like Brian Robinson's job. But I would
say like he has the best potential in like a
half PPR to get more involved coming off that injury.
And like I said before, I'm disinterested in where heem mostered.
Maybe the question of selling is still back to what
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I said before, what can you get for him? But
Erickson sounds like you and me are together on this one.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
One hundred percent. Yep, Madison, you can't. You can't trade
it for anything, So you have to hold him because
no one's going to give you anything you want for
Alexander Madison. But I think he is an interesting hole
because if he just is the RB one for the
Raiders rest of season, like he's gonna have good value.
Look at the playoffs Falcons, Jaguar, Saints fifteenth.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
That's pretty good love, that's pretty good for Madison.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
So so as long as the Raiders don't make any
splashy moves for a running back, he's completely supplanted Zamir
White as the RB one in this offense. We saw
Zamir Whit at the end of last year going absolute
tear and look, Madison was obviously disappointing the RB one
role for the Vikings last year, and now he's basically
doing to uh. He's basically making Zamir White this year
is Alexander Madison because of him. So I think Madison's
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the whole echoes the buy for me. I want pieces
of this Commander's offense, and Eckler remains a really cheap
part of it. And then I talked about selling Raheet moster, we're.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Now talking about the wide receivers that we are buying
and selling in Week nine. Some buy lows, some by highs,
some sell lows, some sell highs. Whatever we want to
take this direction in for our Week nine wide receiver
Trade show Welsh.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Who are you buying at the position?
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Oh baby? I decided uh to go nuts this week.
I chose violence because people are going to get mad
because this is a Ericson Welsh Erickson ex Welsh special
where we come on weekly and we say buy dolphins
and that's only so long that we are going to
be able to buy any dolphin and it looks silly.
Tyreek Hill, I think everybody bought into Tua came back.
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That was our first big puzzle piece and it was
very important. Tyreek Hill was okay, was decent, and you
know more involved. Who wasn't as involved or at least
you know statistically was Jalen Waddle And Jalen Waddle is
going to be the receiver that I am jumping back
into and I'm wanting to buy. Had a really critical
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drop which probably would have been the difference between him
having forty five yards and probably closer to eighty in
this one. He had six targets in his return. We
did see a decent target share over the last month,
but just no real movement as far as yards per reception.
But the eleven point three yards per reception in this
game against Arizona. It was the second most over the
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last five weeks that we've had. We also saw Tua
throw the crap out of ball over thirty times, and
that's the most important thing here, and that's really all
that this is about. We saw his first read percentage
tick up a little bit in week eight from where
it had been. The air yard share is going to
need to go up. But really the only whole point
of this is Jalen Wattle coming into this year's top
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twenty four wide receiver. It's a big volume play on
an offense that wants to pass the ball a lot
and has efficiency. With Tua, they lost that and everybody
just forgot about Jalen Wattle. Well, now the two is back.
He had that one game to kind of like re
establish himself. He was targeting Waddle. I think you're going
to see them throwing the ball even more. He's completing
the passes. Thank you, thank you to not have to
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watch Skyler Thompson and the rest of the crew that
Jalen Waddle is one of the most obvious second half
buyes for this offense because we're just back to square
one and unless you think too, I mean, there's a
question about Mike McDaniels and maybe how he's running this offense.
But at the end of the day, if two is
able to complete twenty plus pass a twen go over
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thirty every single week, you're gonna see somewhere from six
to ten targets for Jalen Waddall. And like I said,
that one drop was a critical drop he had right
at the end zone. And you know, Ericson, I've thought
he just hasn't had a lot of practice catching balls
lately because it's all been poorly you know, thrown balls.
Now that he's going to have a real quarterback, he's
gonna be able to get back to establish himself as
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a top two wide receiver. I think sitting somewhere between
that fifteen and like twenty two range of a wide out,
and I think he is dramatically lower in cost. He
has only had one top twenty performance this season, and
that was in Week one where he went five for
one oh nine, and he hasn't even had a touchdown
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this season. That is going to change. There are some
passing defenses coming up here. You've got Buffalo, You've got
the Rams. In two weeks. That's an all timer. Oh
my God. And then you've got Vegas, You've got New England.
I mean, there are some great matchups coming up in
the future week. So I think this is your last
opportunity to buy Wall. And obviously I clearly say go
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buy Tyreek Hill, but I think Tyreek Hill's value is
perceived differently where I think Waddle is not even seen
in the top thirty six wide receiver range, especially first
game back with Tuus. So I am a buy of
Jalen Wattle right now.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Ericson, you can't buy Wattle because you already roster him everywhere.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
No, there's one league that traded in away, but I'm
going to try to trade back for him, So I'm
going to try to get him back on the squads.
Why I wore the the Aqua Blue because I knew
Welsh was going to be talking about our Dolphins here
on the show by taking the one guy that didn't
improve with two last week.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Jalen Wattle.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Welsh mentioned it the lack of touchdowns. Wattle's three hundred
and fourteen receiving yards or the third most of any
wide receiver the season without a touchdown, yet regression is coming.
This was Wattle's problem. Last year too, wasn't find the
end zone nearly as much. Based on the amount of
receiving yards he posts, their most at touchdowns are going
to come down, and that means the Jalen Walla touchdowns
are going to go up by Jalen Wattle.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
So what ericson would you would be willing to give
up for Wattle? Because it's a big name obviously, right,
and again somebody that you were very aggressive in acquiring
early on and you know are still interested in. So
are you you don't even even you could throw out
a name if you want, But are you thinking like
you would give up you know, running back ranked fifteen
to twenty range. Are you thinking you'd give up a
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couple of pieces ranked in the toy like?
Speaker 2 (43:20):
What kind of package would you be looking to move
for Wattle?
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I think some receivers that are interesting, Amari Cooper. I'd
move Mark Cooper for Jaylen Wattle, Tank Del there's injuries
on the Texans receivers and he scored a touchdown last week.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Demante Adams. Still, I would move Cooper Cup too.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
I think at Pooka is the number one guy in
that offense and it's not Cooper Cup. So if he's
the number two. It's the same thing as gentlemen, wait,
who do you want?
Speaker 4 (43:44):
What do you want?
Speaker 3 (43:44):
The number two in the Rams offense? The number two
in the Dolphins offense? Right, And Jayla Wattle is significantly
younger than Cooper cup Is, so I think you're taking
on way less injury risk. So those are some names.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
Would you rather have Zay Flowers or Wattle rest this season?
Speaker 4 (43:59):
I think for right now?
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Would you trade Chuba to get Waddle?
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Easy, Yeah, I definitely do that one. So yeah, Jalen
Waddle seems like a strong buy.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
You can use the trade analyzer at fantasypros dot com,
slash my playbook, or on my Playbook app to instantly
evaluate how edding trade will affect your team for this week,
the rest of the season, or even in dynasty ericson
who is your wide receiver to buy?
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Jadan Reid coming off back to back dud games last week,
he only ran a route on fifty nine percent of
the dropbacks two catches for fifty five yards, so he
still flashed the efficiency though, because he got nearly ninety
percent of those on one play on a fifty one
yard catch. So I still think Reid is the best
receiver on the Green Bay Packers, and there's just a
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buying window now because he's had back to back bad games.
There's another quarterback injury. This is exactly what happened back
in Week two when we mentioned by Jane Reid after
he had a monster Week one game, there were question
marks about Jordan Love. This is another opportunit to buy,
in my opinion, the best receiver on the Green Bay Packers.
If you look at the matchup coming up against the
Detroit Lions, no team has been worse against slot receivers
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then the Detroit Lions this season. So yes, it's frustrating
when Reid isn't running route on all the dropbacks because
he plays from the slot. But in this particular matchup,
it doesn't matter because he does play in the slot,
which means if Love is under center, he's gonna have
a monster game. If Love's not under center, what means
you got to buy him even cheaper. So I want
Read in my lineup when I'm in the Fantasy Football
Championships because he has insane upside on a week to
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week basis, So I'll take my lumps in some of
his bad games, especially if we get Malik Willison there.
But yeah, that's why I like Jayden Reed is a buy.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Read's interesting because he is still ranked in ECR on
just the back end of the top ten rest of
season and half PPR despite the fact that he hasn't
really had like a blow up game for several weeks. Really,
I mean, if you look at his game log, you
know on Fantasy Pro you can kind of see this
and you can designate with half PPR. He had obviously
over thirty points in week one, he had twenty three
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point six points a week four, two other games at eleven,
and then a lot of other ones in single digits.
So for as well as it feels like he's played,
obviously there's been some quarterback limitations in those games, and
for as well as it seems like he's played, and
for as aggressively as he's being ranked, the production isn't there.
So maybe depending on the league you're in and depending
on the manager, even if the consensus is that he's
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still ranked pretty highly, somebody might look at these recent
box scores and say it's not getting you know what
I need out of them? Welsh, where do you have
read ranked us a season. What do you think about
him as a buye.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
Yeah, I think as a bye, I think there's negatives
and positives. I think the negative and by the way,
those negatives are going to speak to why he's going
to be such a good bye. It's like if Jordan loves,
I don't love it. If Jordan Love's not out there,
I just that's a huge negative. But I think that's
going to push to the cheaper cost of him, the
real negative that doesn't have like a bounce back. It's
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like they still just keep going between wide receivers, like
Christian Watson's dead and boom he's alive. Undertaker mean, boom,
he's back and he's getting receptions. Romeo Dobbs is the
number one in that offense for two weeks and then
he did. You know, they keep going back. I feel
like WIX is maybe falling apart, but like the constant
is Jayden Reid is the best wide receiver in a
powerful offense that is going to have Jordan Love back,
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and you know, if there is a missed week or something,
I think that holds against But the thing I've always
loved about him is he was Green Bay's depot and
they can run into rounds and stuff, and I think
we're at the point where it's like they have to
get the ball in his hands even more. This is
like an all time Bilo situation. It's just I think
multiple weeks have added up to this incredible opportunity where
people can create more than one narrative of negative and
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that's what's so great. It's like there's a bunch of
wide receivers. He's not getting the volume. Jordan Love is hurt.
He's when Jordan Love is there, it's going to Romeo Dobbs.
I think there's so much of it that it's like
you can get I think a hefty discount. I love
the idea of buying Jadane Reid.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Let's look at some wide receivers to sell now, and
we'll else.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
We'll start with you here, all right.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
The wide receiver I'm looking to sell is Courtland Sutton.
Now Sutton. I don't know why I accentuated that, but
that was to give like a dramatic effect of Courtland
set ten. I want to get off of all of
the Broncos in general. That's my main narrative, though I
will point out, like how good was Bo Nicks This
past week, like I was kind of poking at everybody, like, are.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
We sure about bo Nicks is a top twelve blah blah.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
Blah, And he ended up getting it done. But for
the most part, it has not been at the expense
of Courtland Sutton. Now this week it was he had
eleven targets, eight for one hundred yards. You know, we
love to see that. From a half PPR standpoint, that
was twenty six, but that still got him outside of
the top two wide receivers. He has had this season
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three appearances where he has been inside the top thirty six,
and I guess, to be fair, one of those was
against the New York Jets, whose secondary has been kind
of a sham from everything we've been sold. But there
are trade rumors out there for Courtland Sutton. There was
one with the forty nine ers that was kind of
floating around if they were looking to try to get
someone on the cheap. If a trade happens, I don't
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think Cortland Sutton goes to a destination where he is
the number one if he stays. I just don't love
the upside. I want to point out this best game
he had was against Carolina Panthers, and they stink. The
defense stinks. You've got Baltimore coming up, who I guess
you can throw against. But I think bo Nix is
going to struggle. You've got Kansas City in there, you
got a relatively favorable playoff matchup. But we just haven't
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seen a ton a ton of sudden even in heavy
target games, it's been low yards. I don't like him
in the Denver offense. I don't see him with Denver
having top two wide receiver upside. I think what people
are starting to turn to, Hey, maybe bo Nicks is
super capable. Hey, look, Cortland Sutton had I believe this
was his first one hundred yard game of the season
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against the Carolina Panthers. I want to take that opportunity
to sell off of Sutton because I do not think
trades are going to be a positive thing for him.
Hand up though, if he were traded to Tampa Bay,
scratch everything, never mind huge massive buy. I just don't
know if they're going to be able to pull that off,
and I don't love the prospects of where he's at now.
So I want to take this cell high opportunity to
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get out from Courtland Sutton and yes, Sutton over Jalen Waddle.
I you know, anything Sutton plus to get Jayden Reid
on both of those buys, I would jump at the opportunity,
even if I had to give more.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I'm interested to see what Sutton does this upcoming week
because the Ravens, you know, are banged up in the secondary.
So this Broncos Ravens game checks all the boxes of
a game where the Ravens usually have a letdown, with
the exception of the fact that they just did it
two days ago and usually they're better. They just had
that hadn't happened, I would be all over this Broncos
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in the same way I was all over the Browns
this last week. Now that it happened, I wonder if they,
you know, lock in a bit better. And you know,
they usually are pretty good against rookie quarterbacks, so maybe
they have more success against Bone Nicks than they did
against Jameis Winston. So that's in the back of my mind.
But the secondary is really banged out. The whole defense
is not playing well, so I'm curious to see what's
typically the defense that do really well or the offenses
that do well. Are the ones that have a true
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wide receiver one, and Sutton is not that he's not
like an actual real Alpha, but he's a good player.
So you know, we'll see there. It might be a
better selling opportunity out this week, but it also might
be a much worse selling opportunity after this week. So
I have no problem looking to sell him now and say,
if you miss out on one good game, so be it.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Ericson what are you doing with Sutton?
Speaker 4 (51:22):
I think the process is right.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Selling a receiver that's been really inconsistent off of a
bigger game.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
I think that's the correct process.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
So I agree with Welsh on that I don't think
you're going to get much for Sutton because he's been
so inconsistent throughout the season. And I think I'm a
little more optimistic about the rest of season schedule than
you are. I mean, looking at the Fantasy Pro Strength
the schedule tool at Broncos number one ranked schedule for quarterbacks,
number one ranked schedule for wide receivers. Again, talked about
the Ravens. Really yes, wow, So the Ravens matchup on
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paper is good, the Chiefs is bad, Falcons good, Raiders
good Browns. Okay, bye week, then you have the Colts, good, Chargers, Eh,
Bengals good. So there's a lot of really strong matchups
along the way, and I just don't think you're going
to get anything worthwhile for Sutton when well, he's a
receiver that gets a lot of targets in positive matchups
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with a rookie quarterback that's maybe starting to turn the corner.
So I think that you should put him on the
block and see what we can get.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
But I'm not. Oh man, I couldn't get rid of Sutton.
This is horrible.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
I have to go down with the ship. I don't
think it's a down with the ship situation with Sutton.
I think that you're starting to see bon Nicks get
more comfortable in this offense, and Sutton has been the
only guy again talk about him being inconsistent. Everyone else
in that offense has also been inconsistent, but among those players,
he's probably been the most consistent player among anyone on
the Denver Broncos this season.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
So for those reasons, I guess.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
I'll push back a little bit, but I do idea
of selling high on Sutton.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
It almost sounds like you might be interested in buying
him if you think it's good, it's great schedule, and
it would be very If you can't sell him for
a lot, that means you probably could buy him for
a little, right.
Speaker 4 (52:54):
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
I think it's maybe one of these players I added
to the forecast couple of weeks ago. Price check right,
See what the courtland courtland Ston manager is valuing him
in your league for if you don't have him and
you need your receiver, see what he's value. If it's
if it's this guy's trying to sell high on Ston,
then okay, no thanks. But if this player say, hey,
I gotta get rid of this guy, maybe that's a
reason to buy. So yeah, that's just kind of how
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I see the situation.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
I think an important thing to maybe talk about. Then
if that's what you're saying, is like, I don't view
him as you got to get out from. I'm not sure.
A lot of the time we've done these shows, I've
had a ton of players where I'm like, get out
like immediately, Like this is an I view this as
there's this big game that you have to sell him high.
I don't want to sell him for equal value. I
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don't think that makes sense to your point. I don't
think equal value looks great for a guy like court
Courtland Sutton. But if someone is, you know, chopping around
with those rumors or sees you know, bo Nix is
popping back up and he had one hundred yard game
and looks at the strength of schedule and says I
got to get him. I'm going to pay top two
wide receiver price for him. That's where I want to
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get out from him, because I think he's massively inconsistent.
I am surprised the matchup rating is so great. I
think it's a it's a bit tougher, especially on the
back half or a rookie quarterback. But he has been
coming into his own, so you know, maybe I eat that.
But I think the really important thing is, like this
is not a player we're just trying to get out from.
Don't just get out from Courtland Sutton. Optimize off of
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this big game because this is probably I'm just put
out here. I think this is good. The most receiving
yards he's going to have in a game this season,
and I'm not maybe this won't be his best game
because you know, touchdowns are going to help as far
as scoring goes. But even in the two games he's
had touchdowns, those were the only ones where he just scratched.
You know, twenty he was twenty two and a half PPR,
So he has not broken a top twenty wide receiver
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this season. So where I agree or I guess maybe
a pushing back, however you want to say it, like,
don't just get rid of him, try to sell high
with Portland Sutton.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
So the player that I have right ranked next to
Sutton in my rest season rankings is Calvin Ridley, who's
also coming off a massive gay has also been horrible.
Speaker 5 (55:01):
I almost put him on this, I almost put him.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
I think it's the same conversation. Nobody is believing this
Ridley thing, just like not a lot of people are
gonna believe in the Suton thing. But if you had
to pick one guy Sutton, or really if you had
to flip and for Ridley or vice versa, who would
you want in that deal?
Speaker 5 (55:17):
I instantly my gut said Calvin Ridley. But I do
think I shouldn't be dismissive of what you said, Like,
if the strength of schedule is that high for quarterback
and wide receiver, he is the number one in Denver.
There I can't make a case that Mason Rudolph is better.
I can't make a case that the Titans are going
to be more efficient. So maybe in this case, I
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might take Courtland Sutton. But I'm just gonna tell you,
like Calvin Ridley belongs in the exact I want off
of both of these guys. I'm not looking to be
heavily invested in wide receivers like this, in offenses like
this if I can get the right return. So this
might just be a heat check, like you said, like
see what people are out and everyone's like, oh, you know,
give me Jerry Judy and you'd be like kick Rocks, buddy,
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and you're not interested in it. Who would you rather
have rest of the season? If you got offered for
your Courtland Sutton Rico Dowdell, would you trade your Sutton
for Dowdell.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
It would be dependent on I think there are similar values.
It would depending on if I need a running back
or receiver more.
Speaker 5 (56:14):
It's going to be your flex, this is going to
be your flex.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
I think i'd probably just take Sutton. I think he's
more stable than Dowdell, who again, I think that he's
going to be the starting running back hopefully if that
don't trade for somebody Ericson, I'm not going to Rickson,
who are you selling Jackson Smith and Jigba wide receiver
for the Seattle Seahawks. I think that he's been okay
this season, but we haven't really seen him hit that
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next gear that we were hoping to see from him
entering year two in this new offense. And when you
look at what he's just been able to do in
the aggregate, he has one top twenty four finish this
season and it took him sixteen targets to get there.
So I think that the value on JSN as a
former first round pick is higher in the trademarket than
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his actual production has been this past week, strong target share,
no dk metcalf. This is a spot where hey, Jason
should have a really strong game, and it wasn't. It
was just a basic game. I know he got the
over on the reception and receiving guards at the end
in garbage time shout out the well she hit that prop,
But besides that, it was a disappointing six or seven
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for sixty nine yards. Like this has kind of been
his box score, modest production every single week, and I'm okay,
flipping him. You look at schedule right, Seattle Seahawks do
not have a favorable schedule rest of the season. I
know they have the Rams this week, but after that
they have their bye week thirty first ranked schedule for quarterbacks.
Rests the season after the bye week forty nine Ers, Cardinals, Jets,
Cardinals again, Packers, Vikings and at Chicago and week seventeen
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to the Fantasy Football playoffs. That's gross and DK Metcalf's
coming back. He is the engine to this offense. So
I think Jaysn has improved from last year, which I
think I was very confident was going to happen. But
that ultimate upside that we were hoping that he might
be able to hit entering year two, well it still
hasn't happened yet, and I'm not sure it's going to
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happen this season, just based on the eight game samples
as we have of him, where he's not even been
a wide receiver too, He's barely been a wide receiver three,
So how is he He's not that much different from
players like a Wandale Robinson, like a Khalil Shakir. Well, guys,
you can probably get cheaper than JSN or value cheaper
than JSN. So I struggled little bit trying to find
a wide receiver to sell this week, But just looking
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at my rest season rankings, JSN just kind of stood
out to me as someone that I think you can
still ship him off for a decent return because he's
been pretty good. But I don't think that the ultimate
ceiling is there, and I don't like the schedule rest
of the season for the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
What do you think, Welsh?
Speaker 5 (58:39):
I love this one. I think one hundred percent like
DK Metcalf is the force of this offense, Tyler Lockett
has been more involved. Even when DK was out, he
didn't see the big game from JSN. I think the
time to sell was clearly off of you know that
was a game Week two, you know, one hundred yards
twelve catchball. But yeah, I completely agree if people are
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kind of rebuying in and I love the the analogy
of like the he's essentially Khalil Shakir, but those guys
are cheaper. I completely agreed. Like that might be the
trade window or the trade idea that you do is
you take JSN with something else and you pay down
for Khalil and something a little bit higher. I think
Khalil Shakir is, if maybe not one hundred percent next
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to JSN rest of season, maybe even a little bit higher,
because you know, this offense has struggled. Now maybe part
of we can come back to I had that discussion
when we had talked about running backs that time of
possession was really bad in this game, and Jason still
did put up like a serviceable Like I said, I
hit my receiving yard prop with like they had the
ball for like twenty minutes. So if you know, if
they had had like a ten more minutes of possession,
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that might have equated to a few more targets. But
at the end of the day, that really, to me,
would have probably only made his sell opportunity a little
bit higher. Because DK runs this offense are going to
fant a bit more. The running backs are seeing a
heavy dose of targets. I think selling JSN for any
anybody that's kind of back to like, hey, JSIN, are
we back, We're doing it. Yeah, I'm into selling JSM.
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on iOS. All right, guys, let's do some buy seller
Hold Wide Receiver Edition. I've got some big names actually
in this first one for you, so I'm really curious
to see what they're actually to go with it. Honestly,
these are all guys that were kind of late first rounders,
early second rounders in draft season. Pooka Nkua, Marvin Harrison Jr.
(01:00:47):
And Chris o'lave. Well, I'll start with you on this one. Pooka,
Marvin Harrison Junior, and Chris olave.
Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
I think you could make the case that you'd want
to sell Pooka because of the injury stuff and his performance,
and you could sell him as a top eight. I
will not make that case because I would like Pooka Nakua,
So I'm going to buy Pooka. I'm going to this
is tough. I'm gonna hold a lava and I'm gonna
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sell Marvin Harrison. I think Marvin Harrison's inconsistency this year
are pretty in our face. Maybe the second half of
the year, they're going to really have their stride and
we're gonna see just you know, absolute constant production from Marvin.
Targets are gonna finally go up. He sits between what
they're like five and eight every single week. But in
this instance, I'm going to take an opportunity on this
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rookie wide receiver on a team I don't love that
has been inconsistent, to take one of those high weeks
and sell him. A Lave would be justified as well,
because I mean, he gets hit and he goes into
the tent. He set up a new house and has
a mortgage in that tent this year, and it sucks
and you feel bad for him on it. But like
he is the target monster. There's no Rashid Shaheed. He's
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the guy that's gonna get all the targets. Car is
gonna get back. I think Olave might even be in
that by territory. So I'm gonna hold on to him
because I think push comes to shove rest of season
if they're out there, If both are out for every
single game. I think Olave outperforms Marvin Harrison, So I'm
gonna sell the big performance of Harrison.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
The truth is, like I would like all of these
guys on my team. Harrison is such a fascinating one
because he's dropped so much in our rest of season
rankings throughout the first two months of the year, but
we see it all the time with really talented rookie receivers,
that second half explosion where.
Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
They turn into league winners.
Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
And I mean, he's ranked lower than Puka and olave
are in our consensus rest of season rankings, but it
would not shock me if he ended up being a
top ten receiver in the back half of the year.
It totally could not happen. Also, he has been extremely inconsistent.
He had a blow up week back in Week two
and then didn't follow it up the way we wanted to.
So maybe that happens again this week. But again, just
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the deeper end of the year we get. The more
juice I see out of any of these talented rookie receivers,
the more I'm gonna be inclined to believe this is
what we see the rest of the way.
Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
You didn't pick bad names. You picked great Now.
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
They were going around the same range as each other
in draft season, and their ranks roughly around the same
range as each other now. Harris is a little bit
lower than the other two, but they're.
Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
All super talented.
Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Like I'm I'm really was curious to how you guys
have pick these guys against each other, because again I
see that I think you can make the case for
all of them as buys or holes.
Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
I don't really want to sell any of them.
Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Ericson how did you approach this with Pooka, Harrison, and Olave.
Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
So I'm going to hold Pooka.
Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
I think that he's the Rams wide receiver one rest
of the season as long as he can stay healthy.
We'll see about him and Cooper Cup and how these
guys can stay healthy. But I mean, coming into that
game on Thursday night where it looked like, oh, he's
gonna be living on a snap count, didn't matter. He
looked like the best player on the field. So I
like Pooka a lot as the hold if you held
him this long. I mean, I have him a couple
leagues and I held him all year after I tried
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to trade him, right after he got hurt, I couldn't
trade him, and I'm happy that he is back on
my team.
Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
So I'm gonna hold Pooka. The buy and sell for
a Labby.
Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
And Marvin Harrison Junior was really close for me because, again,
like to your point where I could see both players
as buys, I lean back on just following the process
here with what you said rookie receivers second half of
the year, this is when they explode. And although Olave
has the much higher floor because of the target volume, well,
what happens when you get a lot of targets to
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take more hits. I have concerns about that with Olave.
Whereas Harrison he has two top five finishes of this
season weekly. Olava has none of those. So who can
win you a week? It's probably more likely to be
Marvin Harrison than Chris o'lave, even if he's seeing double
digit targets, because we've seen him get double the jitargets
in the Saints offense and it usually doesn't transpire into
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these massive games. High floor, but maybe the ceiling really
isn't there for him. I look at the schedule second
half of the year for the Cardinals. I know the
next two matchmps are Brutal Bears and Jets. They're both
at home, but not favorable matchups for wide receivers. But
Seahawks Vikings, Seahawks, Patriots, Panthers and Rams week sixteen and seventeen.
He's playing the Rams in week seventeen, the team that
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he was wide recive he's ever one against overall the week,
and when it matters the most, I can't pass up
on that opportunity. So maybe I don't get to the
playoffs because I have Marvin Harrison any busts, So I
don't get there. But if you get to the playoffs
with some of these Cardinals players, you're gonna be happy
that you acquire them when you did. So, Yeah, I
think Marvin Harris's gonna be to buy for me in
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a lot of a just by a process of elimination.
Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Is the cell.
Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
We'll do some smaller names for the other trio here,
because those are a lot of big ones. Jordan Addison,
Jacoby Myers, and Cedric Tillman. Ericson will start with you
this time, Addison, Myers and Tillman.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Who do you like to buy? Who do you like
to sell?
Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Who do you like to hold Goo Dubai.
Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
I'm gonna buy Cedric Tillman. He has two top twenty
four finishes the last two weeks since he became a
starter in the Browns offense. That's more than JSN has
all season. I'm going to hold Jacoby Myers because he
is a underrated alpha in this Raiders passing game without
DeVante Adams. And I'm gonna sell Jordan Adison because TJ.
Hawkinson is coming back and Addison's hearing has been moved
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to December third, so he's still not completely out of
the woods of missing time and games in the second
half later half of the season.
Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
So that's how I'm looking at this situation.
Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Do you agree with Welsh.
Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
Co sign Foresuore Tilman is the clear buy right now.
I know we were kind of talking about this off air,
about getting him into this show, but you know, he
looks like he can jump right into that Amari Cooper
roll on a team that is now throwing the ball
deeper and accurately and just more comfortably. They're just going deep.
I like Tilman to be able to be like a
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number one in that offense. Same with Jacobe Myers. I
don't think it is super sexy or exciting or anything
like that. But he's just going to get littered with
targets on a bad team that will always be playing
from behind, and we're not going to free three Jordan Addison.
Everything is trending in the wrong direction for him. His
involvement in the offense Naylor has been really good. We
have Hawkinson coming back, you got the court date now.
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I'm I'm a full on Addison and I am a
full co sign with mister Andrew Ericson.
Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Tillman is going to move up.
Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
He hasn't moved all the way up yet because we're
still early in the week coming off this big game.
He's still just outside the top fifty in ECRT. That's
going to change. Where do you think he should wind up?
Because I you know, and what obviously I was there
in person watching that game, and some of the success
for the Browns I thought was other Ravens are really
banged up and making dumb mistakes and dropping interceptions. Tillman
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was not that. Tillman was not a fluke. Tillman looked
very legitimately like a very good player who was stepping
into a new, bigger role. I would be very excited
to have Cedric Tillman the rest of the season. I'm
not saying he's like in the top twenty or anything,
but obviously outside the top fifties too low. What's the
right number for him rest of season?
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Ericson, I think he's.
Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
Top thirty six. I think he's a strong wide receiver
three play.
Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
I think you know, he's not gonna score two touchdowns
every single week, so that's not gonna happen. But we've
seen Jameis Winston fuel fantasy wide receiver ones before, so
he's not maybe to the level of Matthew Stafford or
Ryan Fitzpatrick, but that's the next guy when it comes
to these guns, singing quarterbacks that fuel fantasy production. And
it's been Tillman since the jump, right, He's told he's
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dusted guys like Jerry Judy, who we thought, oh, he's
going to see the bigger role with Cooper up. No,
it's been Cedric Tillman and just rewatching that game. The
dude is just dominating on these slants over the middle
of the field, just manning up over against these smaller
defensive backs like at Tulfa, like he was at Tennessee
when he was healthy. He was the better receiver between
him and Jalen Hyatt when he was healthy. So Cedric
Tillman I loved as a prospect coming out had in
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all my Dynasty teams talked about it with Worm after
his rookie year, being is this guy roster clogger? Because
I don't know what to do with him because he's
never going to be on the field. And no, he's
not a roster clogger. He's a stud. That's what we're
finding out now that he's finding getting a chance to
play so and doesn't have to Shaun Watson as his
quarterback either. So yes, Cedric Tillman is a buy in
a top thirty six receiver rest of season.
Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Yeah, well, swide receiver thirty six too high, two lower,
just right.
Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
I actually added a little bit highers and say somewhere
between twenty five and thirty five, So just a wide
receiver to three that would be Maybe there's more upside.
I mean, if you truly step back into the Amari
Cooper role and had those targets in an offense that's
just willing to slang the ball a little bit more,
maybe there's top twenty upside. Would point out I think
Eli Moore didn't have like twelve targets in this game,
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like he still gets a lot of targets in Djoku
is a target hog. So maybe we're capped a little
bit because they've just got some weapons that they just
like to move the ball through. But I think twenty
five to thirty five is like an appropriate range for Tilman.
And that's why you should have been aggressive, or you
should be aggressive penning when you're listening to this on
the waiver wire. And it's why you know, if you're
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in the trade market, it's not the worst thing in
the world if you were. If you know someone I
got this free asset and they're trying to trade, I
don't think you can, you know, I don't think you
can trade ricodoutles and Raheem Mostert's or anything to get Tilman.
But I do think he would be a guy I
would want rest of season. Even if you missed out
on the wire, he might be someone that you'd be
comfortable making a move for in a trade.
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