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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. It's time to talk strategy.
I'm Joey p jo Pi's appear with me, of course,
is Jake Sealey from the Athletic and we're going to
talk about our favorite format, or at least mine super Flex.
That's right. Jake Seely runs the Flex leagues, and the
super Flex is something I've been lucky enough to be
in for the last ten years. I may have won
a few championships along that run. Jake might have won
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one or two also, but this is a format we're
very passionate about. And Jake, the one thing that I
always say is every year the strategy changes because the
pool of players changes so dramatically. The last couple of years,
especially in my write ups with the Black Book, I
do the quarterback profiles, and for me, I thought the
last two seasons, specifically a lot of youth and inexperience
at the position was going to be a problem. It
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was going to be problematic for offenses collectively, and then
things were gonna get dragged down, And basically I was right.
This year, I feel differently, a little bit more seasoning
from some of these younger quarterbacks. Some steps forward from
some other ones and even rebounds and guys who have
become dare I say prolific Baker Mayfield and some other
guys like that. Maybe we didn't see quite coming all
of a sudden. There's a little bit more depth at
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the QB position. But we're going to talk about strategy,
So Jake, before we get into it, I want to
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when you're talking about strategy for Superflex, where do you begin?
What's rule number one?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I think rule number one is something people use for
any format that really in but it really starts to
come important. I say, utmost important it's going to be.
My first rule is pay attention to your tiers at
quarterback because your first point, which is the second one,
we're going to get to my next point, which tie
My point being is everything is going to tie back
into tears in my opinion, because as the draft goes,
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as the strategies develop, you're going to use the tiers
to figure out when do I jump in, when do
I jump back in? Do I take a running back
depending on how the first round is going to a
take a wide receiver, And the answer is very simply
look at the tears for your quarterbacks. Figure out who's
still there in this group, What does that group matter
to the rest of the options out there? How big
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is that third, fourth one that we get into later on,
because all those things are going to determine, well, I'm
on the clock of the third round. I want my
second quarterback, but should I take them? The answer for
the tears will really help you with that. You as
well known as anybody who's probably watched it at this point.
We did a super flex mox on this very network,
and if you look at Ericson. Ericson we didn't talk
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about it with him through that draft, but depending on
the fact of how his draft fell because of what
was there tears why some of them got blown up
right before he picked and his second quarterback wasn't until wait,
late in the draft, and that's because I believe tears.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, I believe in that as well. It's a good
rule of thumb. And to Jake's point, you can go
back and watch that. It's on the YouTube channel of course,
wherever you get your podcast is well idrafted from the one.
Jake was more in the middle, ericson towards the end,
and Fitzie was down at the bottom. So you're really
seeing a couple different approaches to that quarterback position in superflex,
and the one that when you're a little bit further
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down the trough, which is number two on our list today,
is passing on the top quarterbacks and targeting instead of
the top guys because they're probably going to go in
the first five picks. As we saw, it's just the
nature of the beast, especially this year. Right, you got
really five very definitive guys that I feel very good
about taking. After that, all bets are off, and I
think coming away with two guys in the top fifteen
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or sixteen is still a really good strategy because it
allows you to go ahead and do a bijon Robinson,
Jamier Gibbs, or take maybe start with who knows you
can get Jefferson and Ceedee Lamb the way FITZI did
in that last draft. That's a heck of a way
to start a team, or even split the difference. Take
a wide receiver, end a running back, depending on the format.
But I think this year, if you're looking at Herbert Fields, Williams, Purdy, Prescott,
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even Love Stroud, guys who were in that number one
tier going into last season, I think the potential breakout
for Drake May's coming, Trevor Lawrence, even Matthew Stafford, CJ.
Stroud on a bounce back. There's so many ways you
can go. If you can get two of those guys
and kind of just build a good basic quarterback, you
can compete, especially if you have the justin Jefferson s
Humar Chase is the top five or six guys. So
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that is a very viable strategy. And we all know
the ADP and super flex. You know, things get pushed
down at the RB and wide receiver positions, especially RB
sometimes in that format, especially I with PPR, so you
can make that duo schedule work there right when you're
trying to make sure you get some quarterbacks that you
feel good about. You know they have the jobs, and
you know they have upside and have given you at
least a taste of what QB one performance looks like.
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Two of those guys is certainly a viable strategy as
long as you have those big stars carrying your roster. Jake,
let's talk about number three on your list when we're
talking about draft strategies and super flex for twenty twenty five. Yeah,
if one A was that, this is one B and
it is the what I'll call the Joe piece of
PA special because if anybody has read the Black Book,
if anybody has been around you know I used to
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contribute it back in the day. It's the RPV relative
position value. Like when you draft your quarterbacks and you
happen to be somebody who got a Tier one quarterback,
or if you want to go back to that mock
draft and watch as I thought I had two top
ten quarterbacks, is the biggest thing to go back to
that first point. It is like if you take a
top five, don't.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and
wait and make your second quarterback QB twenty five. Why Joe,
because Joe knows this. This is the Joe Pi's a
p A special is you just threw out your value.
You threw away your advantage at the position. Your advantage
at position started with having a quarterback that's arguably better
than most, if not every other team. So you want
to keep that advantage. The same thing goes if you
go the other direction, if you can't get one of
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those top quarterbacks and your value ends up at running back. Again,
you don't want to take Saquon Barkley in the first round.
Draft your quarterbacks throwing some wide receivers and then turn
around your second running back. As Travis etn what was
the point of taking Saquon Barkley. Then you need to
keep that advantage at the positions that you find because,
as we talked about on that podcast and say a
lot too, is you can't come out of the draft
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amazing at every position. You have to give up something.
Don't give up the value you've already created in the draft,
and that will This is actually a good way to
decide how you work your draft because some of these
dictated values are gonna come to you depending on who
everybody else takes.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And speaking of the relative position value, you'll see in
that draft, right, I went and I took Derek Henry
right in the top three picks that I had, and
then I turned around to make sure I had Kyen Williams.
And I'm just gonna stay at that running back position
because there's not a lot of separation there in those
wide receiver two to higher end wide receiver three range,
there's not a lot to separate, right, So just taking
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a bunch of those guys and playing matchups is gonna
be far better for me than trying to reach for
a wide receiver or overpay for guys that might not
move the needle as much. Before we get to number
four on our list, a quick shout out and reminder too.
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on our list of draft strategies for Superflex something that
I started doing in the recent years and I did
in spades last year and it really worked for me
very well, which is controlling the scoring in top offenses
that quarterback running back duo specifically, or if it is
more of a passing offense, controlling that wide receiver quarterback duo. Now,
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I'm not saying you have to do this, but if
it falls in your lap, and it did in that
draft I just did, and I just talked about it.
In your Flex league last year, I had that same
combination of Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson. Right, that's a
heck of a combination that you can kind of pull off.
Derek Henry's probably gonna make it close to the end
of the third round, right, choose me end of the
second round, beginning of the third round, if you're picking
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first or second, you're probably gonna have Lamar Jackson on
that board. Right, You're gonna take him, and next thing
you know, you have all of these scoring controlled basically
in that offense. So Lamar's rushing a touchdown, he's throwing
a touchdown, or is handing it to Derek Henry most
of the time, and he's scoring a touchdown. And then
you saw me do it in a smaller capacity with
the Minnesota Vikings, an offense I think is undervalued and underrated.
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In that same mock draft we just did that you
can watch on the YouTube channel. Took JJ McCarthy, Hockkinson
and Jordan Addison, right, So a little bit of value
in a Kevin O'Connell offense that is pretty damn special
in my opinion. So I think that there's lots of
ways you can do this. You don't have to do
the big ticket one, Jake, you could do the cheaper,
more cost effective one. But investing smartly in good offensive
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ecosystems in super flex leagues, especially with your quarterback, is
very smart. Not every quarterback you have is going to
be in a great offense, unfortunately, so you might not
want to go crazy with this, But when you can
make it all work in an offense as upside, I
think it's something you can really do well with all right,
let's talk about one more thing that really matters here,
and that is the bye weeks. So let's talk about that,
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because that's number five on our list today.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Jake, Yeah, it is, and it's one that in normal
drafts I would say, don't worry about it. You can
figure things out later, unless maybe you were drafting and
you'd had two guys in week five, you don't want
to have to deal with that early. But most of
the time I don't care about bye weeks. I've actually
been in the leagues where sometimes it just kept falling
to me. Joe, and I leaned into it as week nine,
I think that year, and I ended up having sixty
percent of my team in Week nine. I just threw
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that week out of the window. But at quarterback, with
your tone of super flex, this is actually the one
spot where I think it really does matter, because the
big thing is super flex. You do not want to
throw both quarterbacks out to the buys and say, well,
I don't even have one this week, or have to
go to the waiver wire and hope that somebody had
an injury and you're picking somebody off the waivers there
and or maybe somebody rookie got an early start because
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it matters at this point even so much so to
tie back into my first point with the tiers is
I talked about it on that show is I was
looking at my third quarterback and I said, you know what,
between these three guys who were all in the same
tier for me, one of them had a completely different
bye week than my other two options. So I'm never
without two quarterbacks. Obviously injuries could come into play, but
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the biggest thing is like, like this year alone, if you
like May and Purdy at their values, well, why would
you take both the week fourteen buy? Not to mention
it's all the way in week fourteen. So where most
leagues I say, don't worry about buys, super flex matters
because you want to avoid having two down, potentially all
three and then who knows what you're doing at the position.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
All right, So those are five great strategies for super flex.
I want to throw a bonus thing out there for
everybody too, because I'm sure you get asked this question
a ton. I know I do. I talk about it
in Black Book, I've talked about in the podcast, which
is do you take a third quarterback or not? I do.
I like to have that third quarterback on my roster now.
I like it to be a quarterback. I just took
cam Ward in that last draft we just did together
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pretty late. I like to get a good value on
a third quarterback. I'm not going to be the person
always to take that third quarterback first, right, I'm not
going to be the one that jumps at that pool.
But if I'm at the turn and I'm already somebody
who doesn't like the way the quarterbacks fell to me potentially,
then I'm okay with being aggressive on that third one,
especially if it's somebody with upside or rebound potential. But Jake,
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where do you stand on that third quarterback? Some people say, no,
don't worry about it, you don't need it. Other people
say it's a must. I say it's something that's a
luxury I like to take. Where do you lie?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I think the luxury that I like to take is
the best way to put it, because I'd say eight
out of ten times I want to. But depending to
go back to this whole conversation was kind of baked
into the RPV, the tears and everything. You can't do
it every single time and put it this way, all
thirty six quarterbacks for twelve teams having three like somebody
is not going to be able to do it. Multiple
teams are not going to be able to do it
to actually have three starting quarterbacks. But looking at that advantage,
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for me, I was one of the first teams to
take a third quarterback. But that's because I was leaning
into my value value of having a very strong quarterback
room and I didn't want to give that up by
just having two weeks where I don't have that advantage.
I was throwing out the advantage if I don't take
that third quarterback. So I'm with you. If the value
is right in the way that the draft is falling,
ideally I would like to because people are going to
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be chasing as soon as you get out of the draft.
You have multiple teams that are not having to start
a third quarterback. So to have that luxury, as you
put it, is a very nice way to do it.
But I will say this too as we get out
on this, if you're worried about that, If you don't
like that thought, then do a ten team super flex
lee just to dip your toe in if you haven't yet,
and then you don't have to be, you know, fretting
about that, and there you go.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Don't fret everybody. Instead, drop your comments below. Let us
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