Week 15 Fantasy Football Reactions & Injuries + Early Week 16 Waiver Wire (Ep. 1490)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, and welcome into the Fansy Pros Fantasy Football Podcast.
It is the week fifteen reaction episode. Some fantasy football
teams are celebrating moving on to the next round of
the playoffs, some are mourning their losses, and others still
hang in the balance.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm your host, Seth Wilcock.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
And is always helping us break down the biggest injuries
of the day. The best medical sports professional on the Internet,
orthopedic surgeon the founder of sports med Analytics, doctor Deepak
Chona Deepak, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Man.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
How are your fantasy playoffs going?

Speaker 4 (00:34):
So far?

Speaker 3 (00:35):
So far, so good. Everything's a tight, tightly contested matchup,
but you wouldn't have it any other way, so we'll
keep going.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I don't know, man, I would take the blowouts where
I can get them.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'll tell you that right now. I'll tell you that
right now. But it's a fun fun to sweat them out.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
So appreciate you joining us as always making time for
us in your busy schedule. I'm also joined by our
NFL and college football expert here at Fantasy Pro, Scott
Bogman Boggs. It was the first weekend in about four
months we'd have a full slate of college football on Saturday.
But I'd say the NFL on Sunday really made up
for the great slate of games.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
Yeah, lots of games, no bye week, so you know,
lots to get through here today, and a lot of
fun games as well. Hopefully you guys Starry Devonte Adams,
boy did he look good today. Probably carried a lot
of teams. Shash Allen with another great game as well.
Lots of big time performers. Not our team, our team,
let us down, seth. But I have nine teams alive,

(01:31):
four with buyes. I have five playing this week. I
think I'm gonna lose two, so okay, we'll have you know,
however many that is going next seven going next week.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
So I'm there with you. I'm there with you. We've
got a pack program for everyone tonight. As Bog said,
a lot to get to in the next sixty ish minutes.
We're gonna cover the injuries with Deepak and we'll go
through game by game breaking down all the fantasy football
goodness and sadness. That's a twelve games delivered today before
we get going. I did want to thank the fantasy

(02:03):
Pros community for tuning in tonight with us. Last Sunday,
I asked you to send me a DM if you're
losing with Josh Allen in your lineup. I did get
a few messages of some lineups and some very kind
words about the show as well, So thank you all
for that.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
We greatly greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
If you are here hanging out on the Fancy Pros
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channel if you are new. And let's get right into
the injuries boys, because oh my goodness, was it a doozy?
Starting with Patrick Mahomes suffers an ankle injury.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
DPOK.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
There's really no getting past this one. Patrick Mahomes pretty
brutal looking injury for a second, but you know, this
guy's a little bit of an iron man. Always seems
to be able to get back on the field. There's
only about five minutes left in this game there up
by two scores, so we don't know the severity of it.
What's your initial reporting on what happened to the three
time Super Bowl MVP.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, they're calling you a high ankle and it certainly
is consistent with the video as well. The thing about
these high ankles is that a lot of elite quarterbacks
have started to kind of consistently play through these, and
Patrick Mahomes actually won a Super Bowl playing through one
of these as well. Now, the couple things that help
him are that he has good straight line speeds, so

(03:17):
he can still scramble a little bit. Typically, you do
see a dip in player passing excuse me, and player
rushing attempts for quarterbacks when they play through these. Passing
is usually pretty well maintained, and his strong arm, plus
his kind of different ability to vary his arm angles,
gives him a little extra flexibility even if he can't

(03:38):
fully push off of that ankle. So overall, I'm not
terribly concerned there is some risk here, But for Patrick
Mahomes specifically, I think he's on the more durable side
with these types of injuries.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay, So if you had to put your money down
right now over under, if he plays, would you put
money that he plays next week?

Speaker 3 (03:56):
I would think so. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Okay, even being a short week.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Okay, given that it is a short week for Mahomes,
if he's out there and he's not at one hundred
percent per se? Are you still feeling good about these
other options in the receiving game? Travis Kelsey kind of
down game for him. Worthy ad a nice game. Hopkins
has been serviceable as well.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Yeah, I mean there's not a lot trustable for the
Chiefs anyway. We'll get a little more into that when
we get to that game. But Worthy saw a little
bit more. Hopkins had a tough game. They rotate those
wide receivers a bunch. Marquise Brown is coming back soon
as well, So I don't know that there's a lot
trustable in Kansas City right now outside of Kelsey, and

(04:35):
Kelsey had a bad game, So yeah, I think with Mahomes,
even at less than one hundred percent, I don't think
those guys change much. But the rotation obviously has this
kind of eyebrow peeking Hunt split today with Pacheco as well,
So a lot of questions in the Chiefs offense coming
forward in the next two weeks.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, And things didn't get really better for fantasy managers
throughout the day. From an injury perspective. We had the
perhaps fancy football MVP Saquon Barkley, who picked up a
hip injury. He did return in this game, but definitely
did not see his full workload. What do we think
happen here, Doc.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, it's a little unclear. There wasn't any drastic video
to really point to the way he was stretching afterwards.
Kind of suggests that he maybe tightened up in the
hip area. With these types of things, usually do see
players not see their full workload because they want to
load manage at the risk of re injury. So with

(05:32):
that in mind, I would expect this to be a
short term absence, if any from practice and probably playing
pretty close to full strength from here.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Bugs.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
With that being said, probably not any time missed for
Saquon Barkley. Are you still picking up Kenneth Gainwell if
you roster Barkley just in case maybe he reinjured something
next week or anything happens to him downstretch, I.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Think it's a good idea, especially with like you know,
somewhat limited pickups here. We do have some injuries that
will open up some job here at the end of
the year, of course, but you know, I think if
you're rostering Saquon, I think it's a pretty good idea.
If he's carrying around an injury designation this week, Like
if he's questionable, to just roster gain Well and make
sure you're okay, unless you know you're flushed with running backs.

(06:16):
You got four or five in there, and yeah, you
know you have whoever is a better option than gain Well.
I would understand that, but I think in most scenarios,
if you're rostering Barkley, you're gonna want a roster gain
Well with an injury designation.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Here, Gainwell is a solid back.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
He's been a vet, He's been on this team for
that that dynamic Super Bowl run a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
And the Steelers made him look really good today too.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
I mean he made a lot of guys miss today.
He was good.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
So sticking with some more injuries here, we had Miami
Dolphins wide receiver Jalen Waddle exit with a knee injury.
This was pretty brutal as well kind of got trapped
underneath a defender. What do we know about the former
Alabama Crimson Tide wide receiver here?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Deepak, Yeah, the video makes me suspicious for an MCL
spring that would in some ways be best case scenario
because it's a sort of a short term type of
injury Uh, the a CL and the miniscus are also
at a little bit of risk with the way that
his knee got rolled up on, so Emri will probably
be tomorrow. I do expect him to at least be

(07:16):
out a week. Average MCL takes two weeks, so you'd
still it'd be a little bit dicey. But they're they're
saying hopefully the last week of the season he may
be able to return.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Wow that I mean it was tough today too if
you had well, I had Watt in a couple of
leagues and he gave me the zero and probably won't
won't need him next week because I won't be playing
next week. Still, But Boggs, how does this change your
evaluation of Tyreek Hill, who pretty much dropped another stinker today,
and then John new Smith, who legitimately looks like the
best tight end in the league right now.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
Yeah, I think we saw two of stare down Johnny
a little bit. I'm sure Deepak was enjoying that Bullock
missed a pick and then got one on passes to
Waddle and then Stanley picked off uh, you know, two
passes towards Hill as well. So just not a great
day for Tua in the offense. But yeah, I think
Malik Washington steps up here. I think Tyreek Hill is

(08:08):
going to be okay, I think it was Stingley this week.
I know, Deepak, you had told us before with the
risk injury that Tyreek Catt is just going to get
worse until he eventually gets surgery. Are you seeing anything
from him while he's playing that indicates that that risk
is really bothering him or is it more about being
blanketed by Singley today?

Speaker 3 (08:25):
You know, I think we're going to be seeing a
decreaseed separation because when he's trying to get off the line,
he's going to be engaging through that risk, exerting a
lot of force. So I think it starts at the
line of scrimmage, and then the catching ability in traffic
and that sort of thing is also going to be hampered.
So I think it's probably the combination more than anything else.
We haven't seen Tyreek Hill standard production, and to me,

(08:46):
I think it very much lines up with the sequence
of things getting worse over time.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Okay. Interesting.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Some more injuries of note here New Orleans Saints running
back Alvin Kamara. He suffered a groin injury what's the lake?
Just about the current RB three in Fantasy right now?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Deepak, Yeah, Kamara did not return. The not totally clear
how severe this really is, but most players miss at
least one week, so we kind of tentatively be making
plans without him, and if he plays, it's kind of
a bonus in my eyes.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Bogs.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Where would Kendre Miller rank for you against Green Bay
or Las Vegas if there is no Alvin Kamara in
the lineup?

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean that whole offense is bad, so still
not very high, probably low end RB two, you know,
something like that. He would get a bunch of work.
We would assume Jamal Williams is getting pretty much nothing
right now. And Spencer Ratler, you know they Ben Channer,
they went to Rattler. All of the wide receivers are hurt.
I mean, I think it would be pretty surprised, as
I would be pretty surprised to see Kamara not only

(09:47):
playing this game. But you know, what do you what
are you running him out there for? Let's see, let's
give Miller an extended look. I know you want these
guys to play, but that is your franchise right there,
so you don't want him to get hurt. I mean,
we'll have a new coaching staff in their next year,
anything to change things out. But let's get a look
at Miller. I think at least this week, and yeah,

(10:08):
I mean the whole offense is pretty broken.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, it's tough to really have any like heavy faith
in Miller. I think if you need an ARB two start,
spot start, he might be the guy. But this is
someone coming out to TCU. I don't know about you, Bogs,
what your evaluation was of him, but I didn't think
he was a special player by any means, but definitely
has been living in the doghouts for a few years now.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
Yeah, not a jag, but you know that offense made
him look pretty good.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
We also had Cleveland Brown's running back Nick Chubb break
his foot that led the way to a big day
from Jerome Ford depawk. What does the recovery timeline look
like for Nick Chubb obviously out for the rest of
the season, and what does this do to his dynasty
value given two substantial knee injuries already dating back to
his college days and now this broken foot as well.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, this does kind of add up basically in terms
of his overall outlook, I would expect him to be
back by the start of next year. But with that
being said, of course, this is depends on a little
bit where the foot is fractured. Minimum usually at least
six six to eight weeks, so this will probably not
hamper him. My guess would be for next season though.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Okay, Buggs, you kind of have to throw Nick Chubb
up to almost like a lost season. Really at this point,
especially if you're a dynasty manager, do you think they
probably replace him in the draft. I mean, this is
one of the best running back classes I think we've
ever seen as far as depth goes.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
It is, but if the fans he's still the coach,
he is obsessed with Nick Chubb, he still is too. Okay,
I think if they were gonna do that, they probably
would have done it this offseason. So I mean, we'll see,
you know, what happens with Nick Chubb in the future.
But he just didn't look right the whole year. And
this is why we don't draft guys hurt going into
the season for the most part.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Right, Like, you know, if we.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Hit up Deepak and Deepak tells us, hey, I know
for sure this guy's gonna be back and at one
hundred percent pretty quick in the season than fine. But
if there's any murkiness, any question, I'm just avoiding those
guys like the plague from now on, no thank you.
And that's kind of what we had with Nick Chubb here.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well, Deepak, you've done a lot of research on running
backs coming back from ACL tears. I know you were
kind of off Saquan a couple of years ago when
he came back from his first ACL tair Breece Hall
last year a little bit of an outlier, I would
say based on his performances, But just in general, do
you try to avoid running backs coming off of a
significant knee injury the year prior.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, so if it's more than just an ACL like
multiple ligaments, as Nick Chubb's previously were, the data on
those the first year back is pretty rough, and we
saw that with JK. Dobbins a couple of years back
as well. When he first came back. He just was
not himself. You saw it in spurts, but you also
saw him get chased down at times. And the players

(12:54):
who are coming off just a clean ACL, there's a
certain mold of player that really fits a strong recovery
in year one, and that's going to be your younger
players under twenty five, those who were drafted in the
first two rounds, and then we look at their sort
of athletic scores, their combined percentiles, and their spark scores.

(13:14):
So the explosive metrics there are also very much tied
to a faster recovery. So if you fit all three
of those, then you're looking at your Breast Hauls, your
Saquon Barkley's. You're actually ironically Jonathan Brooks as well this year,
So it doesn't it's not a one hundred percent hit rate,
but certainly that's the mold of an outlier. So that's

(13:37):
kind of the way I look at it. If they
fit that mold, their timeline looks right, then I would
still take those shots because you just get such value
on like a TJ. Hawkinson, who was probably your last
round pick, and then now he may be useful in
the next two weeks in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Very very true, bog Speaking of useful Drome forward, he
went for eighteen point nine Fantasy points, had a big
game down the sideline. He has also scored over seven
PPR points in three straight games now where will Ford
be ranked next week against Cincinnati and then in week
seventeen against Miami.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Pretty high against Cincinnati, especially if they're going to DTR.
They benched Jamis in this game, so DTR would signal,
you know, they're gonna run the ball way more, which
they probably should be doing because the defense has been
pretty bad.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
So uh yeah, I mean, I don't know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
We'll have to watch hard knocks and see what happens
in the background with Jamis and DTR and all that stuff.
But yeah, I think Jerome Ford has a really good
matchup here against Since the next week and.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Depak before we let you go, we usually don't focus
much on the defensive side of the ball, but there's
no more impactful player on the defense than TJ Watt
And just moments before going live, he went out with
what looked like a non contact injury. What do you
think happened here?

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Also, we need to know because we're steeling.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, let's clarify that as well.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, you know, it looks like an ankle sprain and
there wasn't anything drastic about it, but it, uh, it
makes you wonder are they going to really push him
back knowing that if they rest him a little bit longer,
the re injury risk comes way down. So that's kind
of the balance here. I would expect him to be back.

(15:18):
I don't expect this to be a long term issue,
and most players actually would even play in one to
two weeks.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
That is a sigh releast because Boggs, I don't know
if you thought the same thing I did at first.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I was like, exactly what I thought.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
Okay, okay, so every Steelers fan that we all thought
about it, Yeah, well there there goes the year.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
So and to your point, you know, you can't really
rule it out from this video. So the achilles, Yeah yeah,
the achilles you can't really tell from from the video.
To me, I would say, it's still for it.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
That was what concerned me.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
He grad right forward and he doesn't have a major
twist or bend to the ankle, so you know, you
could very well be looking at achilles. I would say,
there's some reports floating around that it's low ankle, but
you the video not not really that revealing here, Okay.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Okay, so we still need to panic a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
until we get official word.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, inject anxiety for the next
forty eight hours done. Not really fantasy relevant as well,
but we did see a scary scene with Dolphins wide
receiver Grant the Bows who went down in Miami. We
saw him getting stretchered off without his jersey and pads on.
What does that usually indicate? Deep hawk and what's your
inkling on what happened to the wide receiver here?

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, my suspicion is that he was kind of not responsive.
When that's the case, the sort of protocol or the
recommendations is to take everything off, kind of control his
airway and control his neck, and then immobilize him and
get him basically straight to the hospital. So that's that's
kind of the I think the issue of what they
were doing. It doesn't sound like the worst case scenario

(17:03):
type that it could have been, but I think as
a precaution they do all these steps and these are
kind of the standard of care, if you will.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Okay, all right, well, Tea's and peas to Grant and
his family. Man's that's a scary scene. We never like
to see that as football fans, But big thank you
to the medical professionals.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Down there in Miami.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
That seemed to be very quick on the response there
for Dubos and Deepok. Also thank you tonight for breaking
down all these injuries. I know we had a lot
to get to, so thank you for that. Make sure
you guys are checking out Deepak's work on Twitter at
sports med Analytics and also the website sportsman Analytics dot com.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm right right on that, Deepak.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yep, you got it sportsman Analytics dot com and sport
md Analysis on Twitter and here every week.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Well, thank you so much for joining us as always, Deepak.
We'll catch you next week and boggs Le's go ahead
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Speaker 1 (19:02):
All right, let's go ahead and start the game. Recaps
NH Town where the Texans beat the Dolphins twenty to twelve.
It looked like Miami was going to come back and
get in this game for a moment in the fourth quarter.
Too many turnovers prevented that, though Tua had been cooking
coming in and left you with just three point eight
fantasy points after three interceptions. Tyreek also let Fancy Vanders down,

(19:25):
catching two of seven targets for just thirty six yards. Boggs,
Can we start either of these players moving forward next
week against San Francisco and then in Cleveland in week seventeen?

Speaker 5 (19:36):
Yeah, I mean, I just don't think you want to
start strout against Kansas City. In Kansas City, especially if
Mahomes isn't playing, that defense gets gassed up. Oh I've
met Tua, but oh well also Tua. Yeah, I mean
this offense has been tough recently. I mean, this was
a bad game. I think the Texans came out and
really whooped that offensive line, and I think that was

(19:57):
a big issue. You got two on his panic. You
saw him dive a couple times. I feel like the
whole country holds their breath every time Tua pulls the
ball down and runs with it.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
But yeah, I mean Tua is a tough start.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Same with CJ. Stroud. You're thinking as well?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Then eighteen for twenty six, one two touchdowns, but just
doesn't look like the same player we saw a year ago.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
He doesn't.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
This was his fourth game under two hundred yards passing
as well. He had the fumble. You know, Nico bailed
everybody out with two scores, but nobody else h you know,
provided in the passing game. Mixing didn't have a great
game either, even with seventeen touches, only Mustard fifty six
total yards.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
So tough game here.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
Hopefully it'll get better against San Francisco, but you know,
I don't know if it will. San Francisco coming off
extra rest really need wins.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Tough one here, So obviously we're starting John new Smith
rest a season tight end four currently on the season,
that's better than Travis Kelce. But where are you going
to have him in your dynasty rankings? You think he
will be thirty next year. He is coming back to
Miami for at least one more season. But you know,
we got a pretty good class coming into Colston, Lovelin,
Tyler Warren highlight those names.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yeah, I mean he's going to be, you know, probably
a tight end two. I think there's just too many
young guys in the league right now. There are good
there's too many guys that have been dominant for too
long that you're still gonna have over him as well.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
So it's crazy though, good look it is.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
It has been so great, and you know, with Wattle
going down, he's gonna see an uptick in targets, and
he led the team in targets today. So yeah, he
has been a real treat to watch this year. We
all kind of thought, ah, he's not gonna not gonna
be anything without Art Smith there, but he has been excellent.
Like I said, Tua threw a pick, staring him down
almost through two picks, staring him down because that is

(21:50):
one of his first reads on every play. It's been
huge in the second half here.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Who would you rather have rest of season for a
flex start? Johnny Smith or Tyreek Hills Still Tyreek.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
I can't do that, Like, I understand, I understand, I
get it.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I think I'm there. I think I'm there, dude, Honestly,
I think John.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
Completely understand it. Yeah, but I don't know. I just
I would. It's one of those things. It's can you
look at yourself in the mirror and say, I started
John U over Tyreek and Tyreek hat one hundred and
fifty and two scores, right, Like that's the thing. If
you can do that, then great, I don't know if
I can live.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
With Yeah, It's almost what Deepauk was talking about too, though.
It's the rist ain't looking great like It's just it's
tough down there. Like this offense really at the end
of the day, yes, it is moving through Smith, but
like eight chance of the motor there, right, I mean,
this guy is absolutely electric. Last thing I really want
to touch on in this game was just the Texans
wide receiver room rest of season? How do you feel
about them? Nico saved by two short touchdowns. Tank Dell's

(22:49):
been pretty anemic all year long, just two targets twenty
six yards for him. Kansas City and Baltimore up next
for the Texans.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Had tough matchups here for sure. Uh, Nico is your start,
you know, and Mixon is your start. I just nobody
else on that team is really starable. You don't want Schultz,
he's been two up and down tank Dell like you said,
and Emik I think that's a good word to describe
what has happened with him this season. So, uh yeah,
I think it's Nico just because you know, like you said,

(23:17):
he bailed me out with two touchdowns and he's clearly
the leader here and Mixon.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
We know Mixon is gonna get guaranteed touches. We know
Nico is gonna be the first look in the passing game.
Everything else is noise.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Okay, up along the shores of a lake ear Kansas
City beats the Browns twenty one to seven. We already
discussed what life would be like after Patrick Mahomes. Seems
like we don't really have to worry about that though.
Xavier Worthy, though, I think we should be giving him
a hard look for our lamps. I came out a
couple weeks ago on my personal podcast and said, I

(23:48):
think Worthy could be a rest of season league winner.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I think he's getting better. He saw a career.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
High in targets eleven and tied a career high and
carries with three today. That's fourteen total touches for the
rook He's also had no less than nine Fantasy points
in the past five weeks. Bogs, do you consider getting
Worthy into your line if you haven't already?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
I did.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
I did start him over Pollard this week because Paul
was going in that game a little bit gimpy and
they have spears back like I just even again since
he I wasn't real short not. Pollard scored, so he
had a good game as well. But I think what
we really saw that was nice from Worthy was the
rush attempts too, Like they are making a concerted effort
to get this guy on the field more. We're seeing

(24:29):
more of him. He had sixty one snaps, when Watson
had forty two. That was the next highest end snaps. Now,
Marquis Brown, you know, open up his window to practice.
We're trying to They're trying to get him ready for them.
I'm not either, but they're gonna try to get him
ready for the playoffs. Right, So it's just gonna be
a bigger, uglier rotation than it already has been.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
True.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Hopefully what we see is Worthy be the guy that
gets the snaps and everybody else is rotated. That's what
happened today. Hopefully we see more of that. I think
that's a smart move. He's a young man, got a
lot of energy, and especially with a gimpy Patrick Mahomes.
Let's run some more short passes, Let's run some reverses

(25:11):
with him, some motion plays. I think yeah. I think
Worthy is getting a nice little bump here at the
end of the year.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Okay, for the Browns, they really struggled on offense today,
just two hundred and sixty six total yards. Kevin Stefanski
also did not commit to James Winston moving forward, What
would Dorian Thompson Robinson at quarterback due to the likes
of Dave Nijoku who was inactive and Jerry Judy. Fourteen
targets for Judy today, eleven receptions, one hundred and eight
yards on the day, also over a thousand yards receiving

(25:40):
in his career for the first time as well, he's
been the wide receiver two this fast month.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
Yeah, he's been excellent with Jamis now obviously there's a
link there that's gone. But I do wonder if Judy
has just taken the next step right, like has he
moved forward and now him and dtr He's still going
to be the lead in targets for sure, but is
that connection going to go away? Like is he going
to revert back to the Jerry jer Judy? We know,

(26:07):
I don't think so. I think he's played pretty well
down the stretch here and I think you know, we
saw Thompson get him the ball a couple times after
coming in, and you know the rest of this offense
in Joku, it's going to be tough because is he
going to be able to go is he going to
be at less than fifty percent plus you have question
marks at quarterback. If it is DTR, it may be
Jameis Winston. Stefanski may be saying, let's see who has

(26:31):
a better week of practice, you know what I mean.
So it's still a little bit up in the air.
I assume it's going to be DTR because it's let's
see what we have season, right, we know what we
have in Winston trying to.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Get a better draft pick too.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
Yeah, he can lose you a game, and yeah, it
doesn't matter if you lose, because you just put yourself
in a better spot to potentially get a different quarterback.
I don't think Watson is long for that team hopefully.
I just don't think he is. I don't think they
can cut him this year with all the money he makes,
but the following year he has definitely gone.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
So they need a solution there for sure. The targets
are there.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
I mean, if Tilman comes back and you know, uh,
we have Judy and we haven't Djoku. Florda is good
with the ball in his hands. I you know, there's
stuff there for DTR to do. I just don't really
trust him to do it well.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, And with that being said, if if Tilman came back,
does that impact Judy at all? Because Tilman was eating
and and But it is a I mean, it is
the Granddaddy of all matchups. It's the Catalina Wine Mixer
of matchups. Next week with Cincinnati uh going to the
Bengals house in the jungle. So I think you probably
still have to start Judy right even all.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Our flags, Judy looks like a strong start, so right now,
so I would say, most likely you're starting Judy. But
if you have other options, if it's DTR, I think
I'm I think I'm looking another way. I don't think
Tilman enters into that too much. I think I think
Tilman just automatically loses a little of DTR starts because

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they're going to run the ball way more if he starts.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Okay, the Panthers were favored for the first time in
two years today and the Cowboys proceed to win thirty
to fourteen, probably the best game of Cooper Rush's season
so far. Cowboys totaled four hundred and ten yards in
this outing. He found Ceedee Lamb nine times for one
hundred and sixteen yards and a touchdown on thirteen targets. Also,

(28:23):
Rico Dawell continues to eat twenty five for one forty
nine on the ground. Both are must starts rest of
season and nobone else from the Cowboys, right. That's kind
of how it's been for a while, and I think
that trend continues.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
Yeah, even Jake Ferguson had fewer snaps with Schoomaker out there.
So with those guys both, Carolina really bad against the
tight end. So I moved Ferguson up a little bit.
My rankings did not help too much. Schoonmaker here, but Rico,
I mean, let's just put the ball in his hands,
why not twenty five times? And Cooper Rush has found

(28:56):
the secret formula of let's throw the ball to Ceedee
Lamb as many times as humanly possible if he's still
upright and walking, get the football in his hands. So yeah,
I think that's all you can do. I mean, defense,
look good, Michael Parsons had a great game, but you're
not starting the Cowboys defense right now.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
So you know, I was almost like penciling in already
that Ashton Genty was going to be a Dallas Cowboy.
But they're winning so much that they might be out
of range to get him, and like I mean, Rico
is playing so solid as well that I think they
might have bigger needs at this point.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah, they do.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
But I'll say this for Jerry Jones and the Cowboys,
they take what they think is the most talented player
in the first round a lot. They didn't need CD
when they got him, so clearly the first you know,
the best wide receiver in the draft, and the best
player in the draft that they went this is the
best player. We're taking the best player. So Genty is
going to be the best player for a little bit,

(29:52):
most likely when he's on the board. Yeah, so unless
he goes super high, we'll see. There is a bijon this.
There is, you know. And Gibbs went high as well,
So it's not impossible Naji won the first round.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
We all know that was a mistake. Teams just don't
like to do it though.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, and just when you started to trust the Panthers,
they pulled the rugout from under you. Two hundred and
nineteen toll yards. Bryce Young really turned back into a pumpkin.
Nineteen for twenty eight, two hundred nineteen yards, one touchdown,
two interceptions. Adam thelan didn't kill you five for fifty
one on seven targets got to double digit PPR points.
Cuba Hubbard held under ten PPR points for the second

(30:32):
time in three games. Where does your confidence stand on
Carolina and the rest of the way. They got Arizona
next week and then in Tampa Bay to round out
the fantasy football season in week number seventeen.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, I'm still okay with them.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
I know Cuba real bad today, but played fifty two
to fifty five snaps, so he is just getting everything
right now, so you're guaranteed touches with him. Thelan still
led in targets. I still think Bryce Young is better.
You know, two picks were not good. He took a
decent of sacks as well, but I mean they weren't
given many mississippis back there. So against the Cardinals, Cardinals

(31:06):
underrated defense been playing better then we gave them credit
for before the season started, and during the season they
played better than we gave them credit for. But I
still think Chuba is okay and it will be I'm
not gonna like sink him or anything because of this
performance because he is guaranteed a lot of touches.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Still.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, I know Jonathan Brooks in that backfield, so it's
Tuba time.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
He'll continue to get fed.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
Boker had a lot of snaps too, forty eight. Yeah
he led them in snaps and then DeLand had two
more routes than him, but yeah, he was good. They're splitting,
they're splitting those tight ends like pretty down the middle
between Tremble and Sanders. So I want Sanders to see
the field. I think he can be a good Fantasy asset,
but Tremble blocks too well.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I'm just happy he's back on the field after a
scary scene a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
So yes, yes, hopefully that for Dubos too.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
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it was a huge spread in East Rutherford and the

(32:38):
Ravens they covered, winning thirty five to fourteen against the Giants.
Four hundred and forty five total yards for the Ravens,
five total touchdowns for Lamar Jackson. Pretty quiet day for
Derrick Henry in a nuts matchup, which pretty disappointing honestly.
But yeah, anything to note here from the Ravens. I
felt like they just didn't need Henry.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
They didn't really need.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Ze Flowers because hey, it's the Giants, right, Yeah, That's
kind of what it boiled down to, was they got
out to a big lead, and you know you're gonna
have some tough games coming up. You have Pittsburgh next week,
so let's get Justice Hill the ball a little bit
more in the second half, which is exactly exactly what
happened here. I tell you what, though, ra Shat Bateman
has been looking great. Yeah, five targets here. He's getting

(33:19):
wide open a lot, and I was very critical of
him the last couple of seasons and with our boy Worm,
who's a big you know, Ravens fan, I said, I'm
just not interested in Bateman.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
He seems to get bench all the time.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
They trade for Deonta, you know, and so it seems like,
oh man, maybe Bateman is really out the door. But
he used that to fuel him. He's looked great recently.
So two scores here, Lamar obviously with a huge game,
But I know everybody's disappointed by Derrick Henry, and I
get it. It's a bad time for him to have
a dead game, especially in a game with such a
good matchup of Dexter Lawrence.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Right.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
I think I had Henry as my number two back
this week, and you know, just didn't get into the
end zone and didn't get the carries at the end
because they up so big. So just an unfortunate circumstance.
But you know, he he's playing Pittsburgh next week. Pittsburgh's
a tough matchup, but he's gonna get all the carries
he can handle.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
I would imagine.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, the thing I feel like with forshawd Bateman specifically,
is like you can't trust him in a redraft because
he has kind of touchdown or busted a little bit,
like he just had a donut I think the week prior.
But like from a Dynasty perspective, if he can get
out of Baltimore and get to someone where where maybe
the passing pie is a little bit bigger, he's an
interesting guy. Wouldn't mind buying low on I think this offseason.

(34:36):
I don't think like anyone's married to Rashad Bateman on
their diasty team by any means.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Yeah, yeah, but I mean you're at the end of
the year. If you can still make pickups. You got somebody,
some scrub at the end of your roster that doesn't matter,
Dump him and pick up Bateman and just see where
he ends up, or you know, see if it's just
working better in Baltimore next year.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Just two hundred and thirty six total yards for the Giants.
We got the pleasure of watching Tim Boyle play quarterback
after Tommy DeVito was injured. Tyrone Tracy fell flat for
just three for thirty one on the ground one reception,
but was vultured at the goal line by Devin Singletary
and he concern with Singletary. He got eleven touches today.
Tracy did really outsnap him though.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Yeah, I mean he did, And I think I just
don't like this vulturing and you just can't expect a
lot from the Giants offense here.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
And you need all the scores you can get. Brother,
That's right.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Yeah, at Atlanta.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
That's a decent matchup for Tracy next week. So I
just I hate the fact that they bring Singletary in
near the goal line. So it's definitely something that is
going to be I'm going to be aware of if
I'm starting Tracy versus somebody else. So Neighbors is the
only super safe start right now. I mean, just another

(35:49):
game with ten catches here from a leak. So yeah,
the Giants right now, and de Vito had a concussion
and Drew Locke has an ankle thing, and we're down
to Tim Boyle. It's uh, they're ready to pack it in.
They're ready for this season to be done.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
They're ready for Camore baby book it right.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Maybe the most compelling game in the early window is
actually Jets thirty two Jaguars twenty five over eight hundred
yards of offense in this game. Bogs mac Jones pretty
solid day.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
He was looking chipper. I don't know if you saw them, yeah, oh.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Yeah, I was talking smacking in people's faces. He looked
like old mac Jones.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, I like it, man.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
I let you know, cigar in the locker room after winning,
Mac Jones letting the beer belly hang out and everything.
Brian Thomas Junior likely helped Many advance to the next
round the Fantasy playoffs. Fourteen targets, ten receptions, one hundred
and five yards, two touchdowns. So I think we're starting
him rest of the season. I think we've already kind
of known that for a little bit. He's really redeemed

(36:47):
himself down the stretch here. But I also wanted to
discuss tight end Brenton Strange Eleven receptions, seventy three yards
on twelve targets. Evan Ingram has been rolled out for
the rest of the season. How much do you like
the former nitty lyon against the likes of the Raiders
and Titans next two weeks?

Speaker 5 (37:02):
Yeah, man, I raised him. I put him in my rankings,
raised him pretty high as well. With no Ingram down,
They've had injuries to the wide receivers here. Yeah, I
like Brenton Strange. I'll say this though. I mean time
of possession was in Jacksonville's favor for sure, and they
ran quick eighty four.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Snaps of offense to the Jaguars this week.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
That is why Brenton Strange had eleven targets right her,
twelve targets and eleven cats. Yeah, so you're not gonna
get that every single week from Brenton Strange.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
But he's definitely a look.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
I mean, I don't feel great starting guys that aren't
Brian Thomas with the Mac Jones led offense, yeah, for sure.
And I mean the running backs. Right, last week, it
seemed like we were flipping to Bigsby being the main
early down back and then Etn is clearly the passing
back and went back to Etn as the featured back

(37:53):
and Bigsby as the change of pace again, so just
a very strange way.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
That's done with the backfield.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Yeah, is sixty one snaps for eighteen one to twenty
two for Bigsby. I mean, it just doesn't make sense
what they're doing here, and not a lot that Doug
Peterson does make sense either, But you know, hopefully we
won't have to deal with this much longer.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
But Brian Thomas is a good start. Strange in a pinch.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Strange, or Kyle Pitts rest the season, Strange, I'm dumb, Stranger,
Pat Freiermuths rest of season, m Pat. I think Pat's
more likely to score touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, I think Strangers is
good to add. He's still available in a ton of leagues,
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(38:49):
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My Playbook app. All Right, and it took a while,
but we finally got a vintage Aaron Rodgers Davante Adams game.

(39:11):
Davante Adams nine for one ninety eight and two forty
three point three fantasy points, Rogers sixteen for thirty two
hundred and eighty nine and three through the air, and
he's also bootscooting booging a little bit too, six for
forty five on the ground, thirty fantasy points for hold
a Roge Bogs.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
What do you think changed today?

Speaker 1 (39:29):
That Maybe not just today because the duo has been
getting better, but what do you think changed lately for
the Jets and Rogers and DeVante Adams specifically because it
feels like they're back on that same ayahuasca wavelength.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
Man, Yeah, they played Jacksonville today. I think it was
a big part of it. But also, you know, time,
you know, just get refamiliar with each other and all
that stuff. I mean, it's true. You know, this is
why people were critical of Rogers from missing a big
chunk of camp to do whatever the hell he was doing.
So yeah, I mean, it's just time. It's just familiarity.

(40:02):
And you know, Davante carried me man. I'm in the
Fantasy pros Content League against Wormley in the playoffs. He's
in number one seed and I've got him right now.

Speaker 6 (40:12):
Now.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Look, I've been talking all the smack about Kyle Pitts.
He can bounce me.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Oh wow, that's right there.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
There's a chance. I still I mean, I think he
has two guys. I have two guys tomorrow. I'm up
by a little bit, so it's gonna be a good
one with our boy worm next. I'll tweet it out
for sure tomorrow night, so you guys can see what
the matchup is. But yeah, I mean, Davante came through huge,
and I just really think it's about I think they
also needed him more in this game, right because Breece

(40:40):
was banged up. We did see Isaiah Davis pretty clearly
become the number two back here, twenty four snaps for him,
only ten for Braylan Allen as well, So I think
Braylan Allen can be cast asunder at the end of
the season. Here we just don't really need him. So
you know, right now, I think they just needed DeVante.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
A little bit more. They needed Garrett well.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
The need this passing game to work, and they were
in a fortunate matchup against Jacksonville and it did.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I did want to talk.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
About the running back position for the Jets that you
brought that up, we have seen Isaiah Davis get a
little bit more run as of late. And I don't
know about you, but in a couple of leagues, I
had to make the really tough decision to bench Priese
Holiday and I'm very okay with that as well. Nine
for thirty on the ground, two for twenty one through
the air, bailed out by a late game touchdown one
hundred percent. How much do you trust the former Iowa

(41:28):
state cyclone next week against the Rams Bogs?

Speaker 5 (41:30):
I trust him a lot. There's he's gonna have to
be on crutches for me to not want to start Breese.
I understand, you know, not starting him this week. He
didn't practice most of the week. We weren't really sure.
We got late word that he was starting, So I
agree with that decision. I still had him, you know,
not in RB one. But if he's practicing this week,

(41:50):
and okay, if he doesn't go through this whole like
well he's not gonna practice, we'll see if he's a
game time decision, Yeah, then okay. We're in that same
situation we were this week where it's a make Rams
are a good matchup, though they can be run on,
so I think that I want to start him, but
you know, I understand the trepidation. I understand not wanting to.

(42:11):
They have good backs. They're not a good team, you know.
Rams are a tough matchup a little bit just because
they can match point for point and may turn into
a little bit of a shootout. But didn't on Thursday,
So we'll see what happens there. But yeah, I think
Breece Hall is still gonna be fairly high in my rankings.
I am a Breesehall apologist, even though I don't have

(42:33):
any shares.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Okay, okay, I'm with you as well. I got the
jersey hanging in the closet. I've been I've been pounding
the table for this guys since his days at Iowa State,
So I'm with you there. In the big easy, Darren
clogged the John Rizzy, he rolled the dice.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
He went for two.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
After the Saints scored as time expired, they didn't get it,
giving the Commanders the twenty to nineteen victory. Terry McLaurin
is insane seven for seventy three and two almost had
a third touchdown twenty six point three fantasy points, but
some of those TD grabs were some of the gnarliest
I've seen all year, Bogs. I mean, I just I
can't get enough Terry McLaurin right now.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Dude.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
We've talked about Terry McLaurin all off season and one
of the big point that I made about him was
I just don't think he's had a good QB yet.
Right Washington didn't have very good qbs. So now that
he has a good QB, we're seeing him go and
do exactly what we thought he was coming out of
Ohio State. So yeah, he has been outstanding. Jayden Daniels

(43:31):
with another nice game here, b Rob, you know, didn't
get in the end zone, but had a lot.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Of touches as well.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
The one thing with Washington that's kind of, you know,
depressing right now is Ertz got hurt. So yeah, but
the good thing is we might see a little bit
more of Ben Sennett. Ben Sinnett from Kansas State, who
is a really good athlete, hasn't got the chance yet
because Ertz is a vet familiar with Clip Kingsbury's system.
But should Ertz be down in proto Ben Sannatt, Sennette however,

(43:59):
we're saying it can. He could have a pretty good
outlook in this game in a decent amount of targets.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, staying with Washington Jane Daniels. He had a good game,
twenty three point six fantasy points. Was running all over
the place, was finding Terry McLaurin when he needed to.
Brian Robinson Junior. I think he's about the most border
line start on this team. Without Ertz in the lineup,
b rob just hasn't looked the same as of late.
I feel like I felt this way kind of late

(44:25):
last season as well. The efficiency tailed off when he
came back from injuries, just three point one yards.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Per carry today.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
He will run head into Jalen Carter next week again,
probably no Austin Eckler. He hasn't been activated from IR.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I think he is eligible to return.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
I believe after this week, I think, But I don't
think I really want to start b rob going head
first into that Eagles defensive line that just shut down
nausey Jalen Warren the Boys.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Yeah, and that's more than fair. You know.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
The nice thing about b Robin this game was that
he got way more snaps anybody else. It was kind
of teetering before, but fifty eight snaps for him out
of seventy eight, twenty two for McNichols, three for Chris Runners. Well,
so yeah, it is slanted way towards b Rob. But
like you said, Eagles are really tough matchups, so he's
gonna be pretty low in rankings, and if you have

(45:17):
someone that's close to him, I'm most likely starting the
other guy.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Jake Hayner for the Saints.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
He was benched in Louis Spencer Radler and the former
game Cocks Park to comeback here and going ten for
twenty one, one hundred and thirty five yards and a score.
He's definitely not the has never been, I think, even
going back to his high school days that we saw
on TV a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Never been a super likable guy, but still fun to watch.

Speaker 6 (45:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I think he's a little bit of a game route there,
Voggs and anything else to report from fantasy perspective.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
We already kind of talked about Miller.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
And Kamara and like you're probably maybe rolling Miller out
if Kamara is out, but that's about it.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
The Kamara love that I have is like this for
brisall right, like, if these guys are in the game.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
You you know, you start them.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
But I just don't think he's gonna play next week.
I don't think they have a lot of reason to
play him. And if it's Kendra Miller, that's fine. Maybe
he gets a bunch of touches. I just you know, Uh,
New Orleans is playing green Bay. Green Bay has been
a pretty good defense all year long, So I don't
know if I would really want to do that. So yeah,
I mean the Saints are just tough right now. Rattler

(46:25):
did shake some of that you know, bad karma, bad
persona whatever, selfish teammate kind of stuff during the draft process,
so I think that we can put that to bet
on him. Even though it was the Sooner. I don't
want to give those guys too much too much credit. Yeah,
former Sooner, of course, But I think he's put that
to bed.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
He's fine.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah. I can never just get over those those videos
of him just cussing out teammates in high school.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
I mean he was eighteen. Yeah yeah, but I mean
they shoved the camera.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
In his face.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Yeah, I mean I would have done the same thing, yeah, absolutely,
But yeah, I always find him amusing watching him back.
We'll go in out the one PM slate though in
Music City, where the Bengals win thirty seven to twenty
seven against the Titans. A lot of points scored in
this game and a lot of turnovers ten in total.
The Bengals kept their season alive and continue to be

(47:13):
a fantasy gold mine. T Higgins goes for nineteen point
eight fantasy points, Jamar Chase has eighteen point four of
his own, and Chase Browns has hold my beer and
goes for twenty six point three fantasy points. For the Titans,
ty J Spears two touchdowns, twenty seven point two fantasy points.
Chiga quon Quote also saw ten targets. I don't think
there's much to talk about on the Bengals side of

(47:35):
things other than they're really good. You're starting all their
players every single week and you're gonna love it. And
for the Titans, though, I think the better question is
where we do is Spears or chig rests season? Is
there any value here? Is this kind of just you know,
a one game type of situation.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Well, let's see what's going on with Pollard, right, he
was gimpy, played way less in this game, and we'll
see if he's okay here. But yeah, I mean Spears.
I think Spears got a lot here because Pollard came
in GIMPI. He was very questionable to play in this game.
We saw him on the first drive, look great. Didn't
do too much outside of that, so you know, a

(48:13):
lot of garbage time in this as well. Spears scored late,
you know, to make this twenty seven to thirty seven
was a seventeen point game late and this was just
all will Levis turned the ball over and they had
to go to Rudolph. You know, I think you're right
about the Bengals were starting all those guys. I mean,
Chase Brown looks like lev Bell too.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Now.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
The way he's getting open for Burrow in the receiving
game is unbelievable. He's been so good at that.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
He's been one of my favorite players going back to Champagne.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
I mean, this guy had Illinois like he I threw
comparisons out, not of the talent level, but he took
on like a Christian McCaffrey like workload in Illinois, and
he's doing it now again here in Cincinnati. So congrats
to everyone who's rostering him. I know you and Pat
fitz Morris talked a lot about him on the Dynasty

(49:03):
Fantasy Football podcast this offseason as well. So congrats to
you guys and Pat. I know he's soaking it in
and probably has a lot of best ball and Dynasty
shares them. So yeah, it's been very fun for the Bengals.
Let's keep the good times rolling and let's shift over
to the four pm slate. Here Bogman the Cardinals. They
beat the Patriots thirty to seventeen in Arizona. Drake may

(49:23):
Man I always say this guy's got a fantasy floor,
and he really does, because he had about three points
in the fourth Quarterbogs eight minutes left and finishes with
like seventeen fantasy points, gets a passing touchdown to Pop Douglas,
gets a rushing touchdown. Still, I feel like outside of
may if you're desperate in a couple of leagues, I
don't really know what we're starting here. Outside Like, if

(49:45):
you want to throw Pop Douglas out there, I think
you can in a deep league three for eleven and
a score here. He's been solid, but kind of done
with Romandre that this season. Antonio Gibson's got a little
bit of pop right now too.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Yeah, there's not a lot to do with the Patriots.
I mean, you know, Hunter Henry had a nice little
run there that seems to have gone away.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Hooper's kid, Yeah, Hoopers.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
Yeah, so you know that that's tough. None of the
wide receivers are very trustable. I mean, I'm sure I
haven't seen the snap counts yet. They're kind of late
to it today with everybody's uh, you know, all the
games playing. But I'm sure that you know, it was
still in Boute's favor, but he's just not getting targets.
So uh, you know, Kendrick Bourne got a little bit more.

(50:28):
So it's yeah, it's Drake May, It's maybe Ramander Stevenson
in a deep league.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
And that's about it for the Pats.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
If there's one team that I want Travis Hunter to
go to, I think it's New England because.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
They're so bad at wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
I think they're they would be forced to play him, right,
Like yeah, Like I think, like you figure out cornerback later,
you're play him at wide receiver full time and then
and then work in the defensive things. But I mean this,
there's like every Mack is going to have them going
wide receiver early, I think, and they have to whether
it's whether it's Travis Hunter, whether it's Ted McMillan. They
got to do some something out there.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Man, Yeah, they got they need playmakers, a free agent something,
so Higgins, Yeah, I mean, they drafted a couple guys too,
let's use them late in the.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Baker has not Javon Baker has not even seen Bayfield.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
Let's see Polk a little bit more. Right, Let's see
these guys and see if we have anything here. So
otherwise they just wasted draft picks and can take another
one in the first round this year. So I don't know.
Let's see him at the end of the year. Hopefully
we do it, but I just don't. This is not
the way it's been working. So they're incredibly frustrating. It's
Drake May in a super flex and then nobody else.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Well, did we see like a report that Kendrick Bourne
was like trying to leave the team or like requested
like being released or something like I swear I saw
something that he was trying to get out of New England.
And he ends up leading them in receiving today. So
that's you know, that's the Patriots I don't.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Think I saw that, but I wouldn't doubt it.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
In New England is tough, but I think you know
there's there's plenty of the vandering oles.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
But okay, it was not Kendrick Bourne. It was kJ Osborne.
Excuse me who requested his release?

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Who did get caught?

Speaker 5 (52:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I mean that guy's so slow anyway.
All thirty zero team though, yeah they Yeah, the Patriots
are rough to start anybody right now?

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Looking at Arizona, Kyler Murray was banged up in this game,
so I think we'll need to keep our head on
his swivel to see what the status was with this.
It was kind of towards the end of the game,
so I'm not sure we should have asked epawk about
the status of Murray. But James Connor with a really
nice bounce back game for him one hundred and ten,
two total touchdowns as well, got a little bit involved

(52:31):
in the passing game again. Five targets, five receptions, twenty
eight yards. Trey McBride continues to do his thing ten targets,
nine receptions, eighty seven yards, no touchdowns, and then Marv
two for thirty two, Like, come jeez, I don't know
what to say anymore.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Marv has been are you are you quitting him now?
Because I feel like.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
My rankings have quit him. Okay, so I made him
real low this week. I made him so low that
Welsh actually brought it up on our show. Uh, he
was like, man, you're really killing Marvel. I'm like, he
hasn't been doing anything.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
I don't think you wouldn't start the rest of the season.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Would you.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
I I it would be it would be a tough spot.
It would be a tough spot to start him now.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
You know they play Carolina next week, so it's a
good matchup.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
Uh, and maybe he'll have a good game, but you know,
you have not earned the trust to get started at
this point. So it's McBride, it's Connor. Yeah there, Kyler
even I'm not really and I'm I am a Kyler apologist.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
I you know, I love me as short guy. I'm
a short guy.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
But uh, it just has not worked as well as
I thought it was going to be as well as
I thought it was gonna be working for Kyler this year.
And you know, being gimpy doesn't offer that rushing upside.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, Kyler is someone I had in a lot of leagues, starting,
starting out, and then when he started to kind of
get hot and cold, I ditched him.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I had trade him when when I could. So.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, but but I totally understand it, and he's a talent,
but we need Drew Petzig there.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
I don't know. I've never been a big pets in guy.
I don't.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
I don't think he's using Marvin, Like, can we just
get Marvin Harrison the Dan ball? Like throw him a
screen bogs, Like just a screen, That's all I would like.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
He's not a screen guy though, you know he he's he's.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
A deep problems three step slant. Come on, he can
be a pocession guy. He can get us calla begals,
use chase anything, they got to do anything.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
You got to force the ball to him like you
should be using him like Neighbors gets used.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
I don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, agreed, anything else from this game for you because
I think it's pretty straightforward.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
It's straightforward, all right, Let's get to a game that
was not straightforward at all.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
A lot of points scored.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
I know, Andrex and our buddy over here at fantasy pros,
betting pros. He was on the over in this game,
forty eight for the Bills, forty.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Two for the lines.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
In Detroit, some people are calling it the course field
of the NFL because points coming bunches here and Josh
Allen continues to be marvelous. Not only does he go
for two touchdowns three and or two yards through the air,
but also runs for another two scores and sixty nine
yards like Boggs. I think next year, like, if I

(55:07):
don't get Josh Allen, I'm really cool on waiting like
that quarter like he's he feels like.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
The only true, true, true difference maker at the position nowadays.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Lamar threw five touches.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Okay, okay, okay, calm down.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
That's sad mine.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I guess I got a.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Little bit of a raven's hate in my heart still.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
Yeah, of course, of course I don't mind that. But
uh yeah, man, look, Josh Allen is incredible. But I
do think you know, this is a Detroit thing, and
it's because they've had what they say, eighteen defensive players
on injured reserve whatever go down today two Yeah, I
mean it is. The Detroit Lions are going to have

(55:44):
to win by playing point for point. At this point,
you know, it's just it's going to have to be
high scoring games. We knew Buffalo is going to score anyway.
It's not like, you know, Detroit came in with a
plan and failed miserably. They're injured, and Buffalo is one
of the best offenses in the league. So we knew
that was gonna happen. Glad to see Jane Cook get
back up on it. You know, last week was a
huge disappointment. I know probably you know, bounced a couple

(56:07):
of people out of some playoff spots there.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
He bounced me out this week playing against him.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
No, didny one hundred and five yards.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Two touchdowns for Cooke also one for twenty eight And
what about Ty Johnson? I was like, obviously you're not
going out and starting Ty Johnson, but five or one
hundred and fourteen, I mean they just kept throwing the
wheel route and they couldn't stop the wheel.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
Yeah, you had Ty Johnson on your Bengo card for
one hundred yards receiving and you know Keyon Coleman to
be the second leading receiver for the Bills, right, everybody
had that right, right. No, that's just anybody, anybody can
get the ball in Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
That's kind of where we're going. You know.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
I thought it was gonna be Coleman. We thought it
was gonna be Shakir. Then they traded for Cooper and
then oh maybe it's kink taking a step up. It's
all Josh Allen. It's all Josh Allen. He's running it,
he's throwing it. Everybody can get a touchdown, but you
just don't know who it's going to be week to
week and make guys tough to start. I mean, I
think Shakiir is pretty safe, right, Oh yes, Cook is
usually safe. Lineup lock yeah, yeah, yeah and Kinkaid four

(57:08):
for fifty three looking better, So yeah, you like that.
But yeah, I mean it's just well Mary, it's a
massive start throw for who's gonna score the touchdown?

Speaker 2 (57:17):
No targets for a Mary Day.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
I don't even I don't know if he he like
overslept it or something or got stuck in traffic. But
like Mariti, Cooper and I had, I had a big
debate on the IVT podcast with my co host Eric
this week that he was trying to tell me that
Amari really is the wide receiver one I'm like, I
think it's Shakira man, Like, he's not out there for
all the snaps, but he's the first read on so

(57:40):
many looks that I think it's you're starting Khalil Shakir,
You're starting James Cook, their lineup locks, Josh Allen obviously
a lineup lock, and then if you need a tight end,
dn't kinkad I think, And I think that's it.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Right, Yeah, I think I think just like we were
talking about with Davante, right, Like, I think we need
a little more time because Cooper got to Buffalo and
was immediately hurt, right, so I think he and Allen
are still kind of building the rapport. Obviously, you know,
the pitch touchdown was great and everything, So I do
think we need a little bit more of that. Obviously,
haven't seen the snap counts yet, don't know where he

(58:12):
was in terms of that, But Cooper is going to
go nuclear before the end of the season, maybe in
the actual NFL playoffs, But I do think Cooper is
going to show his worth before the end of the year.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
But it's tough to trust him now. You definitely can't
start him.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
And while you did say I think from a betting perspective,
we are learning that, hey, let's just keep taking lions overs,
especially when we are out here in Detroit at Ford Field.
But at the same time, like Jared Goff, starting to
deliver a little bit more of a fantasy because he
has to write like he can't win going away all
the time anymore because the defense is letting up so

(58:50):
many points. Four hundred and ninety four yards, thirty eight
completions on fifty nine attempts for Jared Goff, five touchdowns.
Jamior Gibbs gone in the end zone twice. He was
kind of a I don't want to say garbage time
merchant because it wasn't garbage time be any means, but
late game merchant out there.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
A Monro Saint Brown went.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Nuclear fourteen for one to ninety three and one. You'd
love to see that after kind of a quiet second
half the season, at least as far as arsp goes
and Sam Laporta comes back around to seven for one
hundred and eleven.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Great games by everyone.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Jamo found the end zone, Monty was serviceable, Tim Patrick
back in the end zone, Old.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Dance Skipper as well.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Dance Skipper had the touchdown, but of course, I think
some of this, this nuclear reaction is there was a
ton of snaps for the Lions here, right, I mean
I mean through the ball fifty nine times. They were
playing catch up from the word go right.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
So yeah, I mean I'll say this, though, they only
held the ball for twenty seven minutes, right, So it
wasn't an abundance in snaps. I think it was an
abundance in desperation. Yes, more than anything for them. And
that is you know, four hundred and seventy three passing
yards forty eight rushing yards. That tells me that Detroit
was down the entire game and they were, So you know,

(01:00:00):
that's you had the two quick touchdowns from Buffalo and
it's playing it's playing comeback after that point. So I
just you know, I think moving forward, we're going to
see a lot of this from Detroit. I think you're
going to be playing overs. And for a fantasy perspective,
they're at Chicago at San Francisco the next two weeks,
so you know, it makes the guys in Chicago a

(01:00:23):
little bit more startable. I feel like the guys in
San Francisco a little bit more startable, and those scary
defenses might not be as scary when Jared Goff is
just going to go out there and sling it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Absolutely agreed with you. There.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
We got Deebro Wayne in the chat saying, what's up,
Debro good to see tonight Man saying Detroit down early
made them move away from running.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Yeah, I mean, what were they down?

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
I was playing on Gibs in Montgomery my rankings this
week too, because I thought, well, Detroit's plan should be
run the ball, keep the ball, run the ball. But
they got down so quick and then it was all past, past, past,
past past.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, you still got away with
it for Gibbs, like you know, can't hurt that he
found the end zone twice, and it's such such an
elusive weapon when he gets the ball in his hands.
So great to see that. Regardless anything else here from
Buffalo Detroit, it was such a fun game. It lived
up to the billing and the ticket price for sure.
But I don't have anything else from fantasy football perspective, unless.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
You know, I think, I mean, it may hurt Montgomery
a little bit needing to pass this much like Gibbs
is much better in that scenario. Yeah, I still think,
you know, but you get down to the goal line,
you're most likely to hand it to Montgomery. Didn't happen
in this game, But I think I'm okay with Montgomery
moving for I know people are probably gonna be a
little bit worried.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Yeah, yeah, it hasn't been the stretch that I think
we've wanted it for Montgomery by any means. But still
a rock solid running back and you're not gonna get
much better than him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
In a lot of places before we keep it moving.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
I did want to remind everyone to please join our
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fans and get access to exclusive amas that wind up
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going live on Mondays at to eastern in the Discord,
and then The Welsh and Arison Erickson They're on Thursdays

(01:02:06):
at too eastern and then Worm and Fits at five
Eastern on the first Thursday or Tuesday, excuse me of
each month, and Fits and Bogs back again on the
third Tuesday of each month at five. You guys are
gonna be talking dynasty. I know that's always this Tuesday.
Oh right, okay, all right, what's what's on the agenda, Bogs,
or just answers some questions that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
Yeah, yeah, a lot a lot of you know, a
lot of answering questions, and we'll get players specific and
you know, fits will go down the rabbit hole at
one point. I'll go down the rabbit hole at one point.
But yeah, it's it's all dynasty talk on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
It's a fun time for it to be a dynasty
manager because even if you're losing, you're starting to think, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Where like you're you're figuring out where your.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Rookie picks are, right, You're saying, oh yeah, here are
my rookie picks and starting to scout those out. And
so yeah, it's gonna be a brilliant time. I know
we're gonna have a ton of NFL Draft and rookie
content here at Fantasy Pros and Betting Pros as well,
so make sure you guys are subscribed to both those
so you don't miss any of the action. Let's keep
it moving here, Bogs with a little bit of game
recapping starting in Denver thirty one for the Broncos, thirteen

(01:03:09):
for the Colts, This was a really close game for
a minute, and then Jonathan Taylor drops the ball with
the goal line, doesn't get get the touchdown. Gonna cost
me a trip to my semi finals in my big
money league.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
So thank you JT for that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
But in addition to that, we had kind of a
botch trick play where we actually had ad Mitchell throw
a pass and it did not go well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I think it was ad Mitchell threw that pass.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
Yeah, so it was you know, let's, you know, throw
the backwards one to Mitchell and then he's gonna throw
it back across the ar to Ar and then Ar
is gonna launch it. But Benito sniffed it out and
scored his suck, his second touchdown in three weeks. I mean,
this guy has been unbelievable out there. So just a
bad decision by Mitchell. I think it was a stupid

(01:03:56):
play call too, for being honest. But yeah, yeah, bo
Picks showed back up in this game as well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Yeah, wrapping a bow in the colts like you're starting
JT unless you have something better.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
I think it's JT and nobody. You can't start a
rich He was miserable. I know, it's uh Denver, but
seventeen for thirty eight and I think at one point
he was like ten for twenty four.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Dude, like it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Got done on the ground though, seven forty six and one.
I think you can do worse than a Rich, but
like a richer. Uh but Drake may rest the season?

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Drake may Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
I did Drake make him pass? A Rich can't?

Speaker 6 (01:04:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
I think I think there's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Can it exist?

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Like from a diacy perspective, do you think he can
fix this?

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
You think, yeah, he can absolutely fix this. And he
has two good matchups here Tennessee and the Giants are
good matchups and the season, but I just I he
he doesn't have enough starts under his spel. This is
the same stuff that happened to Trey Lance. But we
didn't get a long look at Trey Lance because he
got to hurt, right, and a Rich got hurt in

(01:04:57):
his first season and you know, sat on the bench
and even learned a little bit. But this is you
need on field experience. So that's why he's not getting benched.
He needs this experience. But you know he's gonna go
out there and make some mistakes and they're gonna let
him make mistakes now because it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
So yeah, and like I know, Michael Pittman had nine targets.
It looks nice in the box score, six for fifty eight.
But if you're still riding out the rest of the season,
if you're still hanging out with us Live, you were
probably in your fantasy playoffs and you're not starting Michael
Pittman like you probably have better options, I hope at
this point.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
Yeah, if you are rostering Michael Pittman like I did
in a bunch of leagues, you either bench him or
dropped him a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I traded him in a couple of
leagues early in the season, and even though some of
those trades weren't the best, looking back, I'm still very
happy I got out of the Michael Pittman business when
I did. And you allude to Bopix coming back into
the picture here, three touchdowns for Nicks one hundred and
thirty yards.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Just wasn't really sharp today.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I would say Cortland Sutton still saved you with a
touchdown that was really great to see, but three for
thirty two, nine targets still, so things are still.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Rolling out there. But it's bo Nicks.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
If you need to start at quarterback, it's Courtland Sun
And I mean, if you want to throw a dart
at the running back position, you can, But I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I'm good on that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
Bo Picks might have sank me in my guillotine. I'm
in the final four. Oh no, I might be sunk.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
We'll see.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
I have Boers tomorrow, so if he goes off, I
could still move on here. But yeah, this was just
a bad game. As you said, you know, nothing going
to happen here. But this run game for Denver still
very ugly. Seven for twenty one for McLaughlin, he had
three catches for ten. Javonte not involved here. It really

(01:06:42):
wrecked Courtland's soide. I mean Sutton had nine targets still,
so he was still evolved, but three catches for thirty two.
He bailed you out with the score, as you alluded to.
But yeah, hopefully you weren't counting on bo Nicks as
I was. But the last week he played Sincy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Yeah, so I'm that hard.

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
If I do survive in that guillotine league, I think
I want to keep him just for that Cincinnati matchup
in the championship.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
If I get there, so I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Yeah, No, I'm with you there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I think with this backfield, like you, if you haven't
already cut Javonte Williams, I think he's a great land
mine because I think someone out there will say, oh,
Javonte Williams and you know, maybe maybe yellow frisky and
fire him up. And but yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
On this backfield.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
And I don't think Javonte is too much time left
on his rookie contract either. So maybe another place we
could see a good running back in the draft land
that they're be fun. If we could get something like
a Travon Henderson or maybe a Nicolas Singleton out there
and Denver, I think it'd.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
Be fun somebody.

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Yeah, I mean we know that once you know, he
finds his guy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Get all the touches like Kamara did so Sean Payton.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Two more games to get to Tampa Bay and the Chargers.
Tampa Bay went off, the Chargers defense starting to look
a little bit leaky. They lose to the Buccaneers forty
to seventeen. Bayaker Mayfield was baking in this one, two
hundred and eighty eight yards for him four touchdowns, also
had a little bit of a dance on the ground
two for twenty five, so really like what Baker Mayfield's doing.

(01:08:11):
I didn't start Bucky Irving in a lot of leagues
because I was pretty nervous. Oh banged up, yeah yeah,
fifteen for one seventeen, though he looked good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Rashaun White again looking a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Than he was earlier in the season fifteen for sixty four,
and Mike Evans doing his dang thing as well, nine
for one, fifty nine to two. Nick Millan found the
ends like good all this to say, good times right
now in Tampa Bay, my friend.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
I mean I this game. You know that Tampa Bay
out gained the Chargers by three hundred yard Oh my goodness.
It was five oh six to two oh six. Time
of possession was thirty six forty eight to twenty three
twelve in favor of the Bucks. And the only reason
I looked was because I was like, man, I feel
like the Bucks have the ball. Every time I look

(01:08:54):
at the screen, right because obviously the Steelers were playing
at the same time, so it wasn't paying as much
attention to this as I would the morning games. But
every time I looked up, man, Baker's got the ball
again and he's thrown it and it's Mike Evans nine
for one, fifty nine and two. He was huge trying
to get to that thousand yards. Still, we'll see if
he can make it here. But yeah, this was just

(01:09:16):
a bad game offensively for the Chargers. They had nothing
against the defense that hasn't been very good in Tampa.
You know, Herbert didn't look right, he threw the pick,
he got sacked three times. They had nothing in the
run game, and they abandoned it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
I know they didn't have the ball a lot, but
they abandoned it. They had eleven rush attempts with thirty
four pass attempts. So just an overall terrible game where
the Chargers Lad McConkie bailed it out if he ended
up starting him with the touchdown. QJ had a touchdown,
So not too many people surviving the song starting Gus Edwards,
you know. So it's not something that you likely have

(01:09:52):
to worry about if you do. Yeah, I mean, you know,
hopefully you don't. But if you do, they play Denver
Neck week and that's just not another not good matchup.
So we'll see what happens there. But yeah, I mean,
I think the Chargers. It was just a domino effect.
Nothing worked, They couldn't stop anything. This was a bad

(01:10:12):
game in all three phases.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Debro in the chat saying Chargers run game is dead
and absolutely that was the point I was gonna make
because losing JK. Dobbins has really hurt this team because how.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Do they want to play.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
They want to play by running the ball and winning
with defense. And when you're getting eight for twenty three
and three for nine out of your running backs, it's
just not gonna gonna work thirty two total rushing yards.
That's not what Jim Harbow football is.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
You know we're gonna see a.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Lot of Donovan Edwards next year. I feel like, you know,
or Kalo Bawlings. You know what was Michigan guys? For sure?

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Oh yeah, I could absolutely see it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
It's but yeah, I mean, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Still thrown out, lad, You're still if you need a
spot start, I guess you could throw out QJ.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
I'm warming up.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
I know you give him a crap about him this
year too, because I just want warm up. But I mean, look,
he's looked good the last couple of weeks, even in
a bad I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Mean still has a terrible catch percentage even today, like
ten targets, only catches five of them, but still finds
the end zone and looking better.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
It's been a nice bright spot to see.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
You know. I know a lot of people were really
down on him after spending a first round pick on
him in many rookie drafts back in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
And one more.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
I know we'd get in a lot of shouts to night,
but I gotta give one more shout to Andrew Rickson.
He was all over Stone Smart this week on the
prop betting Show. He called out any time touchdown for Smart.
He didn't get it, but he was really closed. I
think you went down right inside the ten or fifteen
yard line. So good call out there, Stone Smart looking good,
Stone smarter.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Kyle Pitts.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Still Kyle Pitts. I guess I know. I mean, not
by a ton, not with confidence. I'll say that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I'm Stone Smart, bro. Give you Stone over here.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
Yeah, I mean that's fine. You know. That's don't pick
from that group, is what I'll say. Try not to
pick from that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
We got our guy Mike in the chat. What's up, Mike,
Good to see man saying, imagine seeing the Bills scored
forty eight points. That check in your lineup to see
zero targets for Mark whoa man.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
Somebody went out, you know, Christmas shopping today and came
back forty eight points.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
I bet win.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
No he did not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
I would love to end the show now, but we
are contractedly obligated.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Is that it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Man, that's weird. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
In the Battle of the Keystone State, very very near
to my heart. Our Steelers fall thirteen to twenty seven
to of the Eagles. We talked about it last week,
but the Steelers offense just really nerve. Without GP, George
Pickens opens up this entire passing game. It helps give
less stacked boxes against Naujie Harrison, Jalen Warren who just

(01:12:50):
could not find anything going on the ground six for
fourteen with nausey Jalen Warren four for twelve. I mean,
justin fields and cord Ole Patterson almost had as many
rushing yards these guys. But Calvin Austin showed up. That
was awesome, you know, no fancy relevance for Calvin Austin.
Pat Fryarmuth though, three for twenty two and one. We've
We've talked a little bit about youth. He's coming live
a little bit down the stretch here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Yeah, him and.

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
Russ really work well on those busted plays where Russ
leaks out, I mean one way or the other. Friarmuth
has been really good at following him, kind of like
we mentioned with Chase Brown and Joe Burrow, what they're
doing together has been some magic, and Friarmuth and Wilson
are finding that a little bit right now as well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Can you start Russ next week against Baltimore with or
without Pickens? Baltimore another one of the nuts matchups that
you always want to play a quarterback against. But if
Pickens is not out there, I do have a hard
time trusting him a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
Yeah, I mean I don't really trust anything with the
Steelers offense right now without Pickens. It's I mean, they
held the ball for twenty minutes in this game. I
know the Eagles are great, but thirty nine fifty two
of possession and you know, the Steelers defense couldn't stop
the Eagles on third down at all. They converted ten
to seventeen. They converted a fourth down as well. They

(01:14:02):
had twenty six first downs in this game to the
Steelers ten. So yeah, Steelers offense is really bad without Pickens.
The only trustable guy is probably Nausey, maybe Friarmouth to
get in the end zone. But yeah, I mean Nase
was miserable today and fumbled, and you know how vindictive

(01:14:23):
Tomlin is when you fumble his football. We saw Jalen
Warren out there for the next series and they didn't.
They just didn't have the ball that much. So uh, yeah,
that's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
Mayer said.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
The Steelers punted the ball with more than ten minutes
to go and never saw the ball again. Yeah, I
mean it was just could not get off the field,
especially late. And if wat is hurt, I mean, Herbig's
a great villain, but TJ. Watt does everything. He's the
engine that runs the whole defense. So yeah, not looking
good for the matchup against Baltimore next week.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
I told you when we were texting today that TJ.
Watt I think he's the best non quarterback in the Lee,
the most valuable player.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
I love what he's been doing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
The Eagles fans gang enough honest in the chat here
saying go Birds, great game.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Today, congrats, congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
I do live in Pennsylvania, so I don't hate the Eagles,
but it just wasn't what wasn't our day. Looking at
the Philadelphia side at things though, DeVonta Smith great game
for him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Eleven for one oh nine and one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
AJ brown Squeaky Wheel gets the oil eight for one,
ten and one Bogs. We did see ajb banged up
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
That was another one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
We probably should have got some confirmation from deepawk on,
but I think we're excited to start these guys rest
of season if they are up here. We got Washington
Dallas next two weeks for Philly divisional matchups.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Yeah, I mean, you know, hopefully AJ Brown is okay.
You know, I understand all the I I kind of
figured what he was saying when he said it. When
he said passing, It's like, well, yeah, it's passing because
it's not Saquon obviously, and the old line are great.
It is the passing game, whether it's him or Hurts
or whoever, that is what was hurting. So it worked

(01:16:03):
really well today. They tore the Steelers up, and you know,
Barkley had a lot of rushes, so hard to run
against Pittsburgh, and their idea was don't let Saquon beat you,
and they didn't, but everybody else beat him, so AJ
Brown and DeVante Smith and gain Well with a bunch
of first downs as well. So yeah, they just got
beat pretty soundly by one of the better teams in

(01:16:24):
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Yeah, yeah, Hey, good on Eagles. We appreciate it sometimes
when you get your butt kicked to to get back
in the shop.

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
I think it would be a different game if Pickens
had played.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
But you know what we need.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
We need two Pickens, so down we have another one.
So a pass catcher will be high on the list
for the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Yes, sure absolutely.

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