WR Rankings & Tiers: Breakouts & Sleepers w/ Matt Harmon (Ep. 920)

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How do we perceive these receivers. Let's talk to the pros.

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Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy
Football Podcast and it's me Joey be Joe Pisapia, and
today it's our special edition of Between Two Mats. That's
right because I am between of course, Matthew Friedman one
year and Matthew Harman in the other. So we're gonna
be using last names only in the show today. But
today is a very important program. It's all about the

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wide receiver rankings and the tiers. We did this last
week with the running backs. This is a very important
program because this is really how we do that deep
dive into the position, into the player pool, the players
to look for, the players to avoid. And of course
at some point in time there will be I assume
and Allen Robinson ramped from Matthew Friedman, but Matt Harman
joins us from Yahoo. He's the creator of Reception, Perception,

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and of course many other Schoolhouse Rock favorites. Matthew Harmon
is so nice to have you here in the show today.
Matt how are you doing this offseason as we are
approaching the season. I'm doing good. Honestly, guys, thank you
so much for having me. I really appreciate it. And
you know, the closer we get to week one, the
more I'm like, Man, I'm I'm kind of ready to
see the answers to the tests at this point, right, Like,

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there's been so much player movement, especially at this particular
position that I'm ready to see. You know, Alan Robinson,
how does he perform at the rams? You know, A J. Brown?
Is he actually going to get eleven d billion targets
in the Eagles offense as some Beat reporters have put
it because of the way it's looking training camp. Again,
I'm just I'm ready to see this play out. But
we still got a little bit ways to go, and

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people got a lot of drafts to do between then
and now, so I'm excited to talk about it today.
That's an excellent point. I kind of feel the same way.
We're just kind of like, all right, Like I also
don't want to hyperventilate over every thing I was reading.
I would like to do this. I was like to
go back a year ago and look at some of
the twenty twenty one buzz Camp stuff going on, which
is always fun and one of my favorite things Friedman was.

(02:10):
I found the thing. It was like Odell Beckham Junior
and Baker Mayfield on the same page and ready to go.
And I thought, Wow, if that doesn't tell you everything
about training camp and maybe to take some things with
a giant grant assault, I don't know what does. Yeah.
I also remember at that same time, DeShawn Jackson was
the new shiny wide receiver for the Rams, right, So
I mean training camp, who knows, who knows, but we

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can check out for yourself see all the tiers, the ECR,

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the ADP and everything in between. And we're gonna be
using our half point PPR system as well or half PPR.
Excuse me, I know one of our people gets very
upset if I say the extra point, and I don't
want to get docked before the show even starts. But
start with the ones. Let's start with the guys at
the top of the board, gentlemen. So again I'm trying
to use last name so I don't confuse myself. Today,

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the very top tier, we've got Cooper Cup, Justin Jefferson,
Jamar Chase, so harmon. When we're looking at this list
right now, Cooper Cup is coming off historic season well
let's just put it that way. Those are typically very
difficult to repeat. And also with the Stafford elbow thing,
which he says isn't a big deal, other people like
to use the word abnormal, which doesn't make me feel

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very comfortable. Is Cooper Cup still the true number one
in your ranking? Yeah? He is for right now, But
I could hear an argument for Justin Jefferson being there,
and I might flip him by the end of the
process too. I mean, I think Jefferson's got such a
good outlook this year, such a great player. I mean,
he is just checks every box from an ability standpoint,

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and he's a true phenom at the position, I believe,
so I could totally see Jefferson being one. I still
got Cooper Cup there for right now. The elbow thing
is funny because part of me thinks that this has
become a big story because Sean McVeigh is such a
dramatic speaker, Like he's the one who's like, this is
an abnormal thing for quarterbacks. I'm breathing easier or sleeping
easier after seeing him throw. It's like, it is interesting

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to me that I guess this is actually something that
Stafford dealt with last year and that he's more bothered
by the management plan than the pain part of the
elbow thing. So I don't know. I haven't taken too
much worry about the Stafford elbow situation. I've still got
Cup number one. But if you want to put Jefferson there, man,
I'm not going to argue it. Well I do, so

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let's not argue. Let's stay frenzied for the beginning of
the show. And I have and I keep saying that
I think if the end of the year that I
believe that Justin Jefferson is the one one player, then
I should take him any chance I get in the
first round, regardless of position, regardless of what it is.
And that's something I've been doing here on the program consistently,
in every show that we do. I don't know if
we've talked about Cooper Cup much, Friedman, does the repeatability

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factor of what happened last year where everything just broke
right for Cooper Cup and Stafford in that relationship. And
not to say that you know the league is caught up.
I mean, obviously you didn't catch up by week four
that they weren't catching up, But now they've had a
lot more time to really gain plan against didn't really
think about it and what they're going to do here.
Should we be just annointing Cooper Cup as the one

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one or is Chaser Jefferson really the correct answer? I
think yes, we should anoint Cooper Cup as the one one,
But I will say, like I don't have much of
a I don't know much of an inclination to argue
if you want to have Jefferson number one. I had
a tweet a couple of days ago about how if
the elbow injury seems to be something that persists or

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you know, is exacerbated for some reason during training camp,
I would move Jefferson to the wide receiver one. And
on the one hand, people were like, it's about time,
or like why haven't you done it yet? And then
there were the other people who were like, are you crazy?
Cooper Cup is awesome, He's gonna smash again. And I
guess that's just the sign of where we are in
the draft season, but it's also a sign of like

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there's balance between those two, right, I think they are.
I think that they are in a tier i'd say
half tier above Jamar Chase. What I like about Cooper
Cup is that he does have the continuity within that
offensive system, like we've seen him do it before as
great as Justin Jefferson is. We haven't seen him do
it in this new system. And I think the system

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will probably be good for him, but it's not a
certainty that the system will be good for him. And
you know, Kirk Cousins, he's a good quarterback, I don't
think he's the caliber of quarterback that Matthew Stafford is.
So and I'll say Kevin O'Connell probably a good offensive
play caller, but we know that Sean McVay definitely is

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a good offensive play caller. So that's why I go
towards Cooper Cup. But Justin Jefferson a phenomenal player, like
already on a Hall of Fame trajectory. If he's able
to continue doing what he's done previously, I don't think
you could go wrong with either one is the first
wide receiver? Well, picking up what you just talked about there, Harmon,
do you think that because it's a new offense, because

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there's a little bit of that unknown factor, And then
you look at Jamar Chase, who we all have third,
I believe in our rankings behind Jefferson, Why isn't Chase
number two? Then? Theoretically because continuity is there, the relationship
with Joe Burrows eery there and established for a long time.
But also we know what we're getting in terms of
the play calling in and the coaching staff. So should

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that be taken into an account or is the margin
between Chase and Jefferson further than people realize? Are closer?
I think it's pretty close. I think that people would
probably argue, you know, justin Jefferson's got a cleaner path
to getting like a twenty eight thirty percent of the
Vikings passing targets, then certainly Jamar Chase does. Although you

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know Adam Dealans still kicking around there. You know they're
gonna incorporate eleven personnel more often more receivers on the
field in Minnesota. Again, as Freedman said, it's all kind
of infury at this point, but that's the expectation. Whereas
we know with the Bengals they are going to play
a ton of eleven personnel. Tyler Boys still going to
command target. Stee Higgins is a really, really good player
and I think has an argument to be a wide

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receiver one along with Jamar Chase, So I think that
would probably be the argument against it. But I think
those I kind of like how Freedman said it, that
they're they're all in the same tier. And I also
have Stefan Diggs in this tier as well in the
first tear, But I think there's a little bit of
barrier between Cup and Jefferson and Chase and Diggs, just

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because I mean, honestly, you would argue that at least
I would argue that Diggs has a cleaner path to
twenty seven percent of the Bill's targets then Jamar Chase does.
In Cincinnati. I think that's probably the one argument against Chase.
I don't really care about any of that, like the
regression stuff, the per target metrics, whatever. Chase is a
great player and will continue to make up the gap
in other ways. Yeah. I keep coming back to the
same thing with Cup, though, which is I see nineteen

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hundred and forty seven yards and I just feel like
the expectations. If I ask you who has a better
chance to get sixteen hundred yards is here at Cooper,
Cup or Justin Jefferson, My answer is Justin Jefferson without hesitation,
just because I think what last year also the tread
on the tires when he added the playoffs as well
for Cooper Cup. That kind of worries me. With Chase,
I feel like there could even be this plateau we
haven't even seen yet. I mean, it was his rookie season.

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I mean, I think some of us can kind of
forget that. It's like, what if he's better, which is
a terrifying idea for the rest of the league, but
very exciting for face rookie season while also not playing
college football in it's fine right and like yeah, and
the whole greed like striping on the ball thing, which
was also something last camp that everybody was really concerned
about in twenty twenty one, So much for Camp buzz.

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pretty much everyone has. But we can all argue all
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and now back to the action. Now. In terms of
this next group, let's talk about Stefon Diggs is at
four here in the ECR. Then Davante Adams, Ceedee Lamb, Deebo, Samuel,
Mike Evans, Tyreek Hill. These are all established names, all
very familiar. One guy that you guys have a big
discrepancy on is Mike Evans. So Mike Evans here is
number eight on the board. Harmon, you've got him at

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wide receiver five, Freeman at wide receiver twelve, Freedman. Why
have you knocked down Mike Evans almost on teetering outside
of wide receiver one altogether? Yeah, I just want to
say I love Mike Evans like as a player. I
think he belongs in the Hall of Fame. When Julio
Jones was a free agent, which maybe I'm tipping my

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hand here, when Julio Jones was a free agent, I
did have Mike Evans as the wide receiver five. I
think he's got that upside certainly, but given the addition
of Julio Jones and then given the I would say
accelerated path to playing time of Chris Godwin, Like I
wasn't expecting Godwin to be healthy for the first month,
and he might not really be fully healthy, but he

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still might be out there playing enough snaps and getting
some targets. So given that those two guys could be
on the field as early as Week one, Mike Evans
is someone that I'm going to have just a little
bit of not skepticism about, but just guardedness relative to
where I was ranking him previously. I'm obviously like immense upside,

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but just yards per target been declining a little bit
the past few seasons, So I don't think he's the
same Mike Evans from a few years ago. Still, you know,
like thousand yard, double digit touchdown upside, but I don't
think he has that like league winner upside that I
previously projected when Godwin was going to be on the
bench and Julio Jones wasn't with the team. Well, the

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consistency harmon of Evans is off the chart, and I
think people see that and they want to run to it,
and I understand why there's a safety to it. People
point out that sometimes the game log can be a
little erratic too. It's not exactly like you're getting it
divided over seventeen weeks because are a little the same,
and that is sometimes a knock on Mike Evans. Right, Well,
there's little bit of dormant side. But you could say
that about a lot of wide receivers. I think sometimes

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that's just the nature of the beast to a certain extent.
So you see the other side of the coin with Evans,
you're buying into what aspect of it, the consistency the
last ride of Tom Brady and the sunset. Why do
you have Mike Evans still I mean higher actually than
the consensus right now. Yeah, I'm a little bit slow
to adjust here because I take all Freedman's points there,

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you know, really heavy of an influencer. I've heard, well yeah, yeah,
absolutely right. I mean yeah, so I've I had Mike
Evans really bullishly ranked, you know, prior to all the
you know changes that we've just talked about, and you know,
I can I'm actually still it was just I was
on the Fantasy Football Forecast with Dalton subscriber if you
get your podcast, and we were going I was kind

(15:30):
of actively saying, like, I want to actually move Ceedee
Lamb ahead of Mike Evans because I really want to
be bullish on Ceedee Lamb, and I think, you know,
by the end of the day, I might end up
doing it, So I might have Evans at wide receiver
six and then I could kind of debate him with
Davante Adams there right after. But I do still want
to put like a flag on Mike Evans is here
because I think he can lead the NFL and touchdowns.
We know he's going to get a thousand yards, Like

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the loss of Gronk in the red zone will certainly
be huge. But the more good things we hear about
Chris Godwin, although it sounds like they're not going to
totally ramp him up until maybe you know, the middle
or second half of the season, but like Friedman said,
he's gonna be out there, most likely getting targets. Julio
Jones is tough for me, Man, because I do think
I don't have any question about Mike Evans is declining
as a player, but I definitely have questions about Julio

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Jones declining as a player given what he was as
an individual in Tennessee last year. But I mean he's
still gonna be out there in commanding looks. And I
mean they got him wearing like number eighty five. They
might have him playing like a tight end type of role.
I'm just being somewhat facetious with that. All right, Let's
get to the destination on the rest of these guys, Freedman,
when you look at this group and it's a it's
a star studded group. Deebo coming off a great season,

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Tyreek Hill in a new spot, but certainly a very
exciting player. See Lamb Adams Diggs. Who has the best
chance do you think to finish as wide receiver one
overall if everything really broke right for them, anybody from
this group at all. Yeah, I'd say the best chance
is Stefon Diggs because we've pretty much seen him do it.
He's the only player in the league with one hundred
and sixty plus targets over the past two seasons. But

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you know, Harmon made the great case for him, So
I'll just say, you know, Diggs is number one, But
I think pretty close after that is Ceedee Lamb, who
I mean. People have talked about how he's been a
disappointment for the past two years, but he's had over
a thousand scrimmage yards in his two seasons in the NFL.
He can play across the formation, you know. Now with

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Cooper gone, with Cedric Wilson gone, he's going to be
playing almost every snap. He's going to be out there
for almost every target. So I think he's gonna have
a ton of volume coming in his direction. And he's
still ascending. He was just a twenty one year old rookie.
You know, he's still in that upward trajectory phase of
his career. I think this is a massive breakout year

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for CD. All Right, reverse it. Who in this group
do you think finishes outside of wide receiver one? Because
we all know every year there's a certain attrition at
this group where we think all these are the top
twelve guys and usually we get seven of them coming back,
or or usually you know, maybe at best sometimes half.
So is there somebody you think that could fall out
of this top twelve or top ten? Yeah? I mean

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deepos Amuel and Tyreek Killer the two guys who come
most immediately to my mind, both of them are going
to have different quarterback situations than they had last year,
so that could be a contributing factor. I think both
of them are going to be in offenses that skew
a little more towards the run than the offenses that
they had last year. Deebo Samuel, I mean, I think
that forty nine ers offense could still be pretty good.

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But Trey Lance has that strong arm. Maybe he focuses
a little more on Brandon Ayuk going down the field.
Maybe Deebo Samuel isn't the guy who gets all of
those like Jimmy Garoppolo esque type of targets near the
line of scrimmage and creates a lot of yak after that.
Maybe that's just not so much the offense with Trey
Lance at quarterback. And Tyree Hill, I mean, he's great,

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We've seen what he's been able to do, but there
is a step down obviously from Patrick Mahomes to to
a tail and really yeah not according to Tyreek Hill.
But I'm I'm here to teach him something. Okay, t
is no Mahomes and Jaylen Waddle, I mean, I think

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his rookie season was a little overstated, but he did
have a ton of targets coming in his direction, and
it is not as if all of those are going
to shift over to Tyreek Hills. So those are the
two guys who stand out to me as guys who
are good wide receivers, very talented, but because of the
circumstances around them, might underperform expectations. All right, same question

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to you, Harmon, who do you think has the upside
to be number one overall in this cluster? And who
do you think has the downside to finish outside wide
receiver one? Altogether? One hundred percent agree it's ceedee Lamb.
You know there's this idea that he's being ranked or
drafted at a ceiling. Well he's not, because I agree
his ceiling is wide receiver one overall this year. He
has a great chance to leave the NFL and targets

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given the depth chart that's around him in Dallas. And
like Freeman said, he's really good. I don't care about
what he produced with Amari Cooper, like losing a player
like Mark even I think Cooper is a little bit overrated.
But moving on from a player like that, having that much,
you know, out of the offense. It's huge for a
player like Seede Lamb, and then obviously yeah in Michael
Gatlip not being one hundred percent for week one, not

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even a play week one according to him. So the
runway is just totally clear for Ceedee Lamb to smash
this year. He's tethered to a good quarterback in Dak Prescott.
I agree. I'm like I said, I want to bump
him up to wide receiver five ahead of Mike Evans.
I'm probably gonna keep talking about it. I should probably
just do it at this point. So we're just gonna
call this them and Rankings Review. I think we should

(20:26):
just change the name of the show today. Let's just
do it changes right now with Matt Harman. Isn't every
podcast at this point like all right, that was a
good point, let me go it is, and shouldn't they
all be? Isn't at the point like yeah, why else
are we all getting together here to talk about this
if not to all challenge each other and open each
other's eyes to things that maybe we have biases about

(20:47):
that we don't realize, or maybe we should, you know,
we should look at things a little differently and not
have such a tunnel vision. It's not that we shouldn't
stick with our opinions and stick with a research and
the homework we've done. But the whole point is getting
in a room, what's he had. If you're the smartest
person in the room, you're in the wrong room. Well,
luckily I never have that problem here obviously, but still
I feel like that's the whole point. That's why we

(21:08):
do this. We're trying to all get better and we're
trying to challenge each other. And I'm with you guys
in terms of LAMB. And I've been a guy who's
been on TD LAMB for two years, and I think
sometimes when it starts to stall out, when you're looking
for that giant breakout number one overall Celia doesn't happen,
you start to get frustrate. It's kind of how I
felt about Mike Williams the last few years. Been and
Mike Williams Guy've been Williams guy. But then the injuries,
the issues, bad offensive line, bad quarterback play, at the

(21:31):
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(23:20):
These are the guys on the borderline of wide receiver one,
so the one as is I like to call them.
This is players like T Higgins at ten, Keenan Allen,
AJ Brown, Michael Pittman, DJ Moore, Deontay Johnson, Terry McLaurin.
There's a certain level of safety with some of these
players and then a certain level of leap of faith
with others. I feel like, so when you're looking at
this group, typically everybody has their favorite or their clear

(23:43):
choice to say, yeah, this is a guy that I
do believe is going to lock in wide receiver one
potential harmon when you look at this grouping here in
this tier, who sticks out for you? Is it one
of the guys in a new situation like AJ Brown?
Is it a guy that might have a bigger path
with Michael Pittman, or a guy who's safer and historically
been there like Keenan Allen. Yeah, man, I really like

(24:05):
this tier of wide receivers for sure, because I think
there's a lot of like upside of with the unknown,
you know, for example, like a DJ Moore, you know,
could he take a big leap? I have him ranked
a couple of spots ahead of this. Could he take
a big league With Baker Mayfield, who I don't think
you like. For example, with the player like Terry McLaurin,
you kind of have to say through gritted teeth, like
Carson Lunch, just the best quarterback he's ever played with.

(24:27):
I think Baker Mayfield is a clearer cut upgrade. And
even if I'm not the biggest Baker guy, I think
he can help Elevate, DJ Moore, Michael Pittman. I mean,
I love Michael Pittman, big Michael Pittman fan, and I
don't think he actually north thought about it. I don't
actually have a negative in the not that he's a
flawless player or anything like that, but like from like
a big glaring negative in his pros and cons list

(24:49):
to me, because well, is the only negative that he
hasn't done it yet? Is that the negative? I don't.
I mean, I think it would be that like Matt
Ryan is complete falls off a cliff and like the
Colts are dead wrong about their evaluation of Matt Ryan,
and you know they're screaming from the hilltops how happy
they are about Matt Ryan. And they threw Carson Wentz
out the door with really no backup plan. So this

(25:09):
Matt Ryan think got a fell in their laps not
would probably be only negative. But I think Matt Ryan,
from like a passing statistic perspective, was good last year,
you know, good in a clean pockets stuff like that.
I think he'll be protected pretty well and being good
fit in the system in Pittman, I think is a
superstar type of talent. I think he's that good. His
reception perceptions incredible ninety six percentile success rate verst press coverage.

(25:30):
I think he has the talent that would warrant like
if he had a top five season or something in fantasy,
because Matt Ryan actually is even better than we're expecting. Like,
I think that's within his range of outcomes, though I
think it's unlikely he gets there. Well, it's a huge
offensive lineup grade from Atlanta to Indianapolis year overyere for
Rent Ryan, I don't. I don't think he's toast, and

(25:50):
I think he has every reason to be excited about him. Louis,
you are freedman, who are you excited about in this tier?
When you look at it that you say, Okay, I've
got some established veterans, some guys that you might be
in some underwhelming offenses, But I know what I'm getting
when it comes to the Moors and mclaurin's or is
there an upside play? Who is the guy for you
that you want to target in this cluster? I agree
with Harmon's take on TJ. Moore. I really like him,

(26:13):
but the guy who really stands out I just have
to say A J. Brown like this is I mean
he's super talented. I'm not going to say he's the
best wide receiver in the league, but I feel like,
on a talented basis, top five, this just feels like
it's too late for a receiver of his caliber to
be going. And I get the hesitation with it. New circumstances,

(26:35):
maybe a really run heavy offense, a quarterback that people
don't seem to trust. But Brown his ten point one
yards per target for his career, and that's including the playoffs.
Out of players with at least two hundred targets over
the past three years, that's number three, just behind Deebo
Samuel and Justin Jefferson. Like he's I think he's up
there in the Jefferson tier as a talent. So even

(26:58):
in a run heavy offense, I think Brown is going
to surpass the hundred and six targets that that's like
the career high hundred and six targets that he's ever
had in any season. I mean, I think that number
should at least be one hundred and twenty, But if
this team skews towards more of a pass heavy state,
it could be one hundred and forty or like you know,
the fantasy gods be good one hundred and sixty. If

(27:21):
AJ Brown gets that kind of usage, I mean people
are going to lose it with how he crushes like
he will be I mean, like wide receiver one just
dunking over everybody. Let's let's talk about DJ More for
a second, because this is another one that's got a
big gap between you guys. Right, He's got an ADP
of wide receiver eighteen the ECR of fourteen. So let's

(27:44):
talk about this because it seems like, you know, the
public is not as enthusiastic necessarily about selecting DJ More,
but it seems like you guys have said nice things
about him for even is there something you know, why
is it Baker Mayfield? Now that's going to quote unlock
DJ More ENDU Well, I mean, I think Baker is
part of it. As as Harman said, he is the

(28:05):
best quarterback as mind blowing as that is the best
quarterback that DJ Moore has ever had throwing to him.
I think one reason why the public isn't as high
on DJ More as some of the analysts are is
that he hasn't had the touchdowns, so the overall fantasy points,
the production hasn't been there. But he's had the usage

(28:26):
he plays in Carolina, which is just sort of like
an off market team, so people don't really pay attention
to it as much. The offense could be really bad.
They have someone who's kind of a joke as a
head coach, and they have a quarterback. I mean, am
I putting enough dirt on them? They have a quarterback.

(28:48):
Even though we think that Baker Mayfield has the potential
to be let's say, like average, most people, like casual fans,
think that Baker Mayfield is really bad. I can understand
why your friends and family drafter isn't as high on
DJ Moore as the expert consensus. Yeah, and now Harmon

(29:10):
can understand why my quarterly reviews with Freedmen afterwards I
always need a whiskey because of some of the things
that he says and the bloodness in which he gives
me critiques at times about how I do this job.
But Harmon, talk to me about DJ Moore, because, I mean,
the public's not wrong. It's not like Baker Mayfield made
a lot of stars that have a lot of wide
receivers that his Cleveland day is not the I mean,

(29:31):
he had Odell, he had Jarvis Landry. I mean, these
guys were okay at times better than others at other times,
worse at other times. But why, why all of a
sudden are we saying, okay, yeah, Baker Mayfield, DJ more,
this is the improvement level. This is where the touchdowns
go up. Yeah, I think that for one. Yeah, just
he's not gonna go four touchdowns every year, right like

(29:53):
at some point, I don't know, you could have said
that the last three year, right, Yeah, that's very true,
very true. I think you can project him for a
really good target share. That's one thing about Carolina is
that you know, it's sort of build as well. This
is a good skill position group, I mean not really
like Christian McCaffrey obviously is going to command a good
target chair. Um, Robbie Anderson, I think is he's I

(30:14):
mean just I don't know, it's always I'm not always
quite sure what's going on with Robbie Anderson. But Robby Anderson,
what's going on Robbie Anderson? So I could just he's
going back forth on the name. So I mean that alone,
there's that. So and then after that they have Tervis Marshall,
who was terrible last year as a rookie. Um. Then
you know they have Rashard Higgins, who, as Freedman said,
the joke of a head coach Matt Rules getting pissed

(30:35):
at him for, you know, not for reaching the ball
over the goal line and celebrating with his buddy Baker Mayfield. Um,
there's there's a chance he could just dominate targets. There
does DJ Moore. Um. So there's that part of it.
And and just in general, Baker Mayfield basically, you know,
he can be average, and that's fine. But I understand
the public's hesitation on it as well. Um, But I
do want to be a little bit bullish on DJ

(30:57):
more because I think he's such a good player, and
I do think the arc type of wide receiver the
DJ Moore is, fits a little bit better with the
quarterback like Baker Mayfield than a guy like Odell Beckham,
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now back to the action. All right, let's move into
the next group. This is the sexy group to breakout
potential guys. A lot of him in this tier. So
you got Jalen Waddle coming off a huge season last year,
than Mike Williams, Courtland Sutton, Brandon Cooks, dk Metcalf, Alan Robinson,
Freedman's favorite, Marky's Brown, Mark Cooper. Then again we get
to Jerry Judy, very popular guy, Darnel Mooney, Bateman, So

(32:25):
you got Bateman, Mooney, Judy, you got Sutton, Mike Williams.
These are a lot of names that people really like
to talk about right now. So let's talk about the
buzzy guys a little bit. First, Courtland Sutton has an
ECR six s thoughts ahead of his ADP. Is that
something harmon that you think is correct? Like, should people
I guess, you know, the experts really being bullish on

(32:47):
Courtland Sutton? Then should people start paying more attention to
that because so far ADP hasn't quite caught up with it. Yeah,
I get it. I think the my contrarian take with
this whole Denver situation is that I don't think these
guys are actually as good as people think. You know,
the mainstream wisdom was, wow, Russ is getting dropped into
a really great offense that's loaded with good skill position

(33:09):
players that have been held back by this terrible quarterback,
and the quarterback play was definitely bad. But I also
think that both Jerry Judy and Courtland Sutton as individual players,
in their reception perception profiles were below expectation last year.
I don't think either one of these guys like I
wish they were both actually coming off great seasons where
they looked good out there. They were separating at a
really high rate. I would love that much more than

(33:30):
the seasons they're coming off of, like Teddy Bridgewater is
not good or like he's not a starting quarterback, but
he and in like the level of Drew Locke, you know,
or some of these other goofballs that Denver's rolled out
out there. So this was it was more of like
they have to wear some of the blame basically for
how bad and unproductive they both were last year. That
being said, you can write off both of their seasons

(33:52):
due to injury. With Judy especially as the high ankle
Sprain and Sutton, I've noticed in reception perception and that
guys can be expected to lose almost three percent off
their success rate verse man numbers in the first year
that they're coming off in ACL. So you have to
have a little bit It still takes a little bit
of a leap of faith to get these guys there.
And you know, Russ is a very specific type of

(34:14):
quarterback getting dropped into a different offense than he's ever
played in, and every Russell Wilson offense basically just becomes
the Russell Wilson offense. So while I'm in on Courtland Sutton,
I have him ranked at wide receiver eight or nineteen.
I get where the public hesitation is because neither one
of these, Like, there's a lot of change going on here.
But I do think that Sutton's the safest bet of

(34:35):
this group, and I think Judy does bet. I know
you didn't ask about Judy, but I think Judy benefits
a lot from Tim Patrick being injured. Like I actually
kind of think he needed Tim Patrick to not be
there in order to be ranked here, and I was.
I had him below this before that, and it took
the Patrick injury for me to bump him inside my
top thirty receivers. Okay, So now with the Patrick injury
taken into effect, would you rather Freedman take Courtland Sutton

(34:58):
where he's going, or waited around it, take Jerry Judy instead.
Is there a market difference where you say, yeah, I
got to reach for the Sutton brand. That's It's like
the Coke vers PEPSI. One of them is on sale though,
so does it make a difference to you, Are they
just both cool up? I ADP. I would probably rather
have Sutton than Judy, and I agree with Harmon's assessment,
or like the perspective that Judy and I'd say Sutton

(35:23):
early drafters got totally bailed out by the Tim Patrick injury,
which sounds like a weird way of putting it, but
I don't think those guys would have hit expectations that
accompany their ADPs if not for the Tim Patrick injury.
Now I think they're probably going in the accurate range.
And what I prefer about Sutton is that he does

(35:43):
have that downfield ability that we've seen previously. It's not
to say Jerry Judy doesn't have it, but we have
seen it with Sutton in the NFL, that downfield ability
that I think really meshes well with Russ's inclination to
throw downfield. So I prefer Sutton to Judy at ADP,
but I think it's about the same now. Darnell Mooney

(36:04):
has ranked five spots ahead of his ADP wide receiver
thirty one, or Shot Bateman nine spots ahead of his
ADP at wide receiver thirty six. These are two very
trendy buzzy names Freedman. Do you have a preference between
these two guys? Do you like them both or neither? Yeah,
I mean that was not very convincing. That sounded at all.

(36:25):
I prefer Bateman. I will say I'm a little bit
of a skeptic when it comes to Mooney, who who
could be really good. I'll just say, like, there's a
there's a chance that Darnell Mooney dunks on me this year.
I'm just skeptical. And I'll say, like the bull case
is that everyone is so enthusiastic about Alan Robinson this year,
wherein Darnell Mooney like really outperformed him. And like if

(36:49):
if you're being optimistic about Mooney, you could say that
he was so good that he forced the coaching staff
to push Alan Robinson into a different type of role
so that they could accommodate Darnell Mooney. I'm just not
that optimistic about him. Like he's a fifth rounder who
is a two star recruit and never had a thousand

(37:10):
yards as an undergraduate. You know, Like I'm just skeptical
that he's actually able to do it again. It makes
me think of like Harry Douglas back in the day
who had like a thousand yards with one hundred and
thirty two targets, and Kendall Wright who had a similar season,
and like Brian Hartline, it's like these guys, Yeah, they
had seasons where they got a whole bunch of targets

(37:31):
coming their way because of circumstances, and maybe those circumstances
conspire once again for Darnell Mooney to have one hundred
and forty targets and he looks like a number one
receiver with over a thousand yards receiving. But from my perspective,
whether he gets that usage or not, he is not actually,
in fact a wide receiver one, and so I don't
want to draft him as if he's that guy. I

(37:54):
was so close. All I needed was David Boston on
my BINGO card, and I would have checked all of
them on that not so close. I never win Bingo. Harmon,
Let's go to you with the same question about Mooney
and Bateman, going back to back here, Basically, do you
have a preference of these two guys? Do you see
it like for even where just more concerns about that
Chicago offense and he would lean towards Bateman. But how
do you feel about these two. Yeah, I think these

(38:16):
guys are a general toss up because it's almost like
you could make they're almost like fun house mirror versions
of each other, where you know, Mooney, I agree with Freedman,
like he's not a number one receiver, he's an idea.
He's an ideal three and probably an acceptable two. So
that that's fine for me. There he's got, but he's
gonna get a boatload of targets like that situation that
you said, like well conspire obviously could be this year

(38:38):
because there is just nothing on that depth chart behind him.
So but he might get a lot of one hundred
and forty really ugly looking targets and ugly looking offense.
Whereas I think Rashad Bateman is a future number one receiver,
I think he can do it all. I think he
could separate versus pressman coverage on the outside, can beat
zone coverage, going over the middle, can win deep, can
win contest, it can win after the catch. I love

(39:01):
love Rashad Bateman the player, but there are volume concerns
in this offense because it's Baltimore. That being said, I
think that he's a guy that will split maybe just
over half the passing targets in Baltimore with Mark Andrews, Like,
I think those guys own a fifty plus percent share
to themselves, and then they'll have an efficient quarterback, most
likely an efficient passing quarterback with Lamar Jackson. Maybe not

(39:24):
quite the twenty nineteen levels, but I think he gets
back up there this year with a improved offensive line.
Fingers crossed about some injury guys there, but I think
they're pretty close, and like I said, they're kind of
fun house mirror versions of each other. But I agree.
If I'm sitting here betting on the guy that I
think is a better player, it would be Rashad Bateman
for sure. If well, yeah, and if you'd like, as

(39:45):
we move on here, we're gonna talk about Allen Robinson
because we have to. It's part of the contract. Now.
If you want to know Freedman's thoughts about Allen Robinson,
you gotta go back to the JJ zachor recent pod
from two weeks ago, because there's a good twenty minute
segment in there that's very clear. Harmon You've got him
at wide receiver eighteen. Freedman's got him at receiver thirty.
Adp is going at twenty seven, little closer to Freedman's side.
So what is it that again? I keep giving everybody

(40:07):
a chance to counter the Freedman Allen Robinson narrative. So
I'd love to hear your take on Robinson this year,
because some people very high, some people obviously not so much. Yeah, well,
I mean if you followed Reception Perception for a while,
you know that Allen Robinson's a favorite of the series. Now,
I think that for Robinson to think he's going to
fail in this situation, you have to think he's like

(40:28):
absolutely washed, because the situation is that good. I don't
think he's absolutely washed. You know, back in twenty nineteen twenty,
he was like a ninety six ninety seven percentile separator
versus pressman coverage in reception perception. Not quite there last year,
but was still like the eighty first percentile and success
rate verseman coverage. So a small step back. But also

(40:48):
I think the situation was absolutely terrible last year, like
kind of everything that can go wrong will go wrong
type of situation with COVID injuries, his contract situation, Matt
Naggie being a donkey. I'm even for Darnell Mooney like
it was basically all slants and curls in that offense
last year with the Chicago Bears, and that doesn't fit
either guy, and it doesn't fit the quarterback that they

(41:09):
had either. So I'm kind of just willing to throw
out everything from the Bears offense last year with Robinson,
with Mooney, and even with Fields to a certain degree.
Although Fields was terrible last year obviously in a bad environment,
but it was just another another bad quarterback in a
long line of bad quarterbacks. So I think as an
individual player, Alan Robinson one hundred percent still has it.

(41:30):
Showed last year when you watch him in isolation that
he does still have it. And then the situation for
the Rams is great. You know, he's walking into a
good target share with their across from Cooper Cup and
within a fishing quarterback in Matthew Stafford. I think the
situation rocks Robinson is still a good player, And you know,
I'd love for you guys and your viewers to trust
my evaluations on wide receivers, but I also think you

(41:52):
can have a really high degree of confidence in the
Rams evaluation for pro level wide receivers. They nailed the
Robert Woods signing when they got clown or that contract
back in the day. I traded for Brandon Cooks at
the exact right time to help them go on a
super Bowl run in twenty eighteen. And then there are
questions about Beckham. Was he washed up last year? And
they do not get to the super Bowl without Odell

(42:14):
Beckham last year? And you know, he was on his
way to being the most important part of that game plan.
And you know, guys like Cooper cup have even confirmed
that in interviews in the offseason that he was the
main figure that game plan. So and even Sammy Watchett
scored like eight touchdowns as this team's ex receiver at
one point. So they've pretty consistently nailed these pro level evaluations.
And I think they've nailed this one with Robinson too.
All right, Freedman, was that enough for you to move

(42:35):
him from thirty to twenty nine? No? No, But I
don't I don't disagree with anything that that Harmon said. Matt.
My question is about the cost the ADP. And so
I want to ask you this because I do think
that out of everyone who evaluates film like you're, you're
up there. And so when you say something like Alan

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Robinson was a good technician last year, like he was
able to do what he needed to do as a
route runner. I trust you. My question is if he
hits right, if he outperforms ADP, do you think he
does it and it's like such a way that you
kind of have to draft him where he is versus

(43:20):
what his floor might be where if he underperforms ADP,
given what we saw last year, if he underperforms ADP,
do you think the floor just absolutely falls out? So
I guess maybe phrase differently, do you think he's prized
closer to his ceiling than to his floor? I think
he's priced pretty close to his floor from an ADP perspective,
because I just don't see a situation where he does

(43:42):
unless he gets hurt, which, by the way, is totally
within the range of outcomes. Right. He struggled within like
last year. I think a big part of why he
you know, wasn't a huge part of the game plan
at certain times, was because he was dealing with injuries.
So you know, that's definitely something to that's the one
and he's older, right and we all listen, we're all
getting fella, man, I popped that hand string in my
kids football practice this week. I mean, I don't talk

(44:04):
to me about it old right now, I'm everything bro
the right knee, the right knee, and the right shoulder
just shot like I don't actually have I don't actually
have a current injury, but I'm definitely like I should
probably see a physical therapist. But that's not the point.
Alan Robinson gonna have access to great medical care with
the Los Angeles Rams. But yeah, I think that's really

(44:25):
the only way the floor bottoms out is if he
gets hurt. Because you know, Robert Woods is averaging a
hundred like pacing for one hundred thirty targets this year,
and I think or last year, and I think Robinson's
a better player than Robert Woods. So I don't see
any reason why he doesn't walk into that role. And
then there's certainly a ceiling case there if he catches
a bunch of touchdowns, which is, you know, that's the
role I think they're kind of looking for with him

(44:47):
and the role that they had with Odell Beckham last year.
So I think the ceiling is there. The floor is
only scary if he gets hurt. To me, so but
I'm with you that I don't want to push Robinson
too too high. I haven't wide receiver eighteen. I feel
like that's kind of a fair, like, hey, I want
you to draft him at or above ADP. But you know,
I know other people that have him like top fifteen,

(45:08):
and I think that's pretty aggressive, So I don't know.
All right, let's move on to the sleepers here. This
is tier five. There's a lot of names in this,
so I'm not really gonna, you know, read them all off.
But let's just start with Chris Godman, whose value seems
to be all over the places. It's really tough. I
think I'm struggling to figure out where to rank or
what to do with Chris Godwin Freeman. What does your

(45:29):
instinct tell you right now in terms of the investment
in Fantasy football? Do you see him as a clear
wide receiver three that it's a good investment right now?
Do you think he has the upside or you worry
about the injury? Where do you stand with Godman's evaluation.
I'm fading him, And it's not like I think this
guy sucks. It's just I think if he ends up
outperforming ADP, it won't be by much. So it's not
as if I will be materially injured by not having

(45:52):
drafted him. I think there's a ton of risk, a
ton of downside. We don't know if he's going to
be healthy for week one. Even if he is, I'm
skeptical he's going to be fully efficient after the ACL tear.
And even if he is back to his old self,
he still has Julio Jones there who could still targets.
So I'm just I'm fading. I love this group because
it has so many names to me that I feel

(46:12):
like a really good returns on investment that all have
a lot of ceilings, a lot of the trendy names.
Gabriel Davis, we have obviously Drake London's in this group,
Alan Lazard, who seems to have a lot of targets
potentially ahead him. Elijah Moore who had some incredible performances
last year. When you're looking at some of those names,
which one stands out to you harmon that you say, yeah,
this one or this one is the guy that I

(46:33):
want to make sure that I target, and I'll even
be aggressive on if I have to to make sure
I get him on my roster. God, I mean, I
could rattle off like ten names, and so what does
that say about this group? Does this say that maybe
that earlier conversation we had about yes safe keenan Allen
isn't the way to go. Maybe that is where you
make sure you do solidify running back a little bit

(46:54):
and then pound this grouping here a little bit harder
in terms of which names you want to get on
your rosters, because there's still many good ones. Yeah, I
have depending on the backs that are there in round two.
And I'm a little out of sorts because I've done
a lot of super flex drafts lately. So um, it's
always kind of hard to miss doing too many, too
many super full Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true.

(47:15):
But I have enjoyed locking in like two running backs,
you know, especially if you can get a guy like
Aaron Jones in the second round, and then you know,
plucking a few players from this tier because there's just
there's a great mix of ceiling and floor here. Now,
if I have to pick a couple names, like, I've
drafted a lot of Juju this year, I think for
the first time in human history, I'm really ahead of
consensus on juju Um and Brandon ayuk I love drafting

(47:36):
Brandon Ayuk in this range. You know, Freedman talked about
Diebo Samuel potentially to top and falling out of the
top ten earlier. And I think a big part of
it is I do believe in the Brandon Iyuk ascension.
You basically just take out what happened in weeks one
through eight last year, and Brandon i Yuk was the
guy that was draft you drafted him to be last year,
and we know the situation that that's the thing about.

(47:58):
There's sort of this discussion Dalton I just talked about
it on the podcast. Like I mentioned, there's this discussion
that Brandon I are XCB Deebo Samuel's role in weeks
one through eight, Like that's the role that we wanted
to have because his expected points were higher than than
when he was as like a rushing receiver hybrid. That
situation that happened in weeks one through eight ain't never
happening again. You know with Brandon I can I don't
think he's going back in the doghouse. So good player.

(48:20):
I think that can take another step here? Could iuke?
Dalton is like he says, it's like fifty fifty between
these two guys in terms of who could be better
in fantasy. I don't know if I'm quite that strong,
but I do think there's a chance that it is
the best receiver on the forty nine ers roster this
year because I'm really that high on him as an
individual player. Lots of names in this group with have

(48:41):
big upside here, Freeman, who are the guys that you're
targeting in this group? Do you feel really confident? What
are the names? Two pretty obvious names, Gabriel Davis and
Drake London. Gabriel Davis, I mean, we saw what he
did in the playoffs, but for his career, including the playoffs,
he's had nine point nine yards per target. That's a
really high number. We know the touchdown capability that he
has twelve point one percent touchdown rate for his career.

(49:02):
He's got the size six two, beefed up two hundred
and twenty seven pounds. Now. He was a twenty one
year old rookie, which means he's just twenty three years
old now, so he's still ascending, and he's got a
great quarterback who can support multiple fantasy relevant weapons. And
then Drake London. You know rookies, they can sometimes be inconsistent.
But this is the kind of rookie receiver I want.
And he's big, he's got the draft capital, he's young,

(49:24):
he's productive in college. I mean, I think he's got
the attributes to be like the next Mike Evans. So
if I'm a year early in drafting him, that's fine.
I want to take the shot. Do you worry about
Mariota holding him back in the offensive line, holding the
offense back completely? It's the worst offense in the league.
There are lots of reasons to be worried about the
falcon So yeah, well that's the whole thing. It's I

(49:46):
guess in PPR you like him right because you say,
all right, you know, the volume is just there, the
volumes there. Even if it's crappy volume doesn't matter that
it'll accumulate into points. But when you start to worry
about half where the touchdowns matter more, does London take
a hit? Then for you, I'm still going to be
interested in him because even if it's inefficient volume, I
think it will result in the touchdowns and the yards.

(50:08):
So that's what I'm focused on more. But the volume
is king. I think that's going to become in his direction,
because there's nobody there like name another Falcon's wide receiver.
It's almost Edwards, Ryan Edwards. Maybe I just wanted to
name one. You cheat accepting the challenge. I didn't cheat.
I didn't even look at a depth chart. I didn't
have to very excited about him. Cordarrell Patterson, I can
name two ha ha alrightd Tate and just look at

(50:31):
Ian's twittered. These guys are not wide receivers A. Michael
Thomas is in this tier as well, Harmon. This was
once upon a time, a few years ago, the one
one player arguably in fantasy football. He looks pretty good
so far. I've been making some I would say, selective investments.

(50:51):
I just took him in Flex this weekend as my
third wide receiver because I figure, hey, if he's my
third guy, I can get some reliable fourth guys. I
want the up side in that wide receiver three spot.
Are you buying back in slowly to Michael Thomas? And
then when do you stop buying in work? It's a
little bit too high, if things are going too well
that you start to get a little worried. I don't

(51:11):
know that he can get up to a ranger I'd
be too worried about it because I think he's Look,
he doesn't have the twenty nineteen season in his range
of outcomes. I don't think in this offense, not because
of Drew Brees. Like I think that sort of in
the same way that folks think like Deanti Johnson's only
a little like pop gun receiver because he was playing
with the ghost of Ben Roethlisberger. I kind of think
the same the same thing about Drew Brees and Michael Thomas,

(51:34):
Like people think he can only run slants because Drew
Brees can only throw slant routes. Um. I am actually
kind of excited to see Michael Thomas and Jamis Winston
sort of try to mesh together because it's just stylistically
really interesting. I'm totally okay taking the plunge in this range.
But I think there's definitely a wide range of outcomes
with Thomas, not because like if he's if I if
you would guarantee me that he's going to be on

(51:56):
the field for seventeen games and be you know, I
don't know eighty five percent of the player he has
been in his peak, because I think he was a
really good player to his peak. Then I think that
there's you know, no shot that he outright fails at
a wide receiver thirty costs. But that would be stupid
to assume that Michael Thomas is going to be on
the field for seventeen games for you know, one reason

(52:18):
or another. So I think that kind of answers the
question that I think there's a wide range, but I
don't know that he's ever going to get to a point.
I don't think the public will ever trust him to
a point where it's too pricey for me. Freeman, where
are you at with Michael Thomas right now? Yeah, I'm
I'm invested love the upside. Of course there's downside based
on the health, but I'm I'm very invested in him.
I have him ranked highly. All right, last question here

(52:40):
before we hit our mail bag and then head out
for the day. I know, for me, I got a
lot of kJ Osborne on rosters. Romeo Tubbs has become
a guy that people have really started to talk about.
Is there somebody harmon that you are like, Yeah, this
is my late wide receiver that sits in my queue
and I just take him for free every time Nico
Collins take him at the end of the draft every
single time Big Nico Collins fan. I mean he was

(53:03):
just from a cost adjustined standpoint, let me be clear
about that. Um, I think there's some poor man's te
Higgins this type of signals in his rookie year reception perception.
He's I think pretty much gonna moon walk into one
hundred targets in this Texans offense. And he's one guy
that I'm not crazy about, but I've got him ranked
at wide receiver fifty one just to signal, like, hey,

(53:23):
take if he's available in your queue, like you said,
take him in the late rounds, because I think there's
a chance he's got a little bit of upside if
Davis Mills is decent, And honestly, Davis Mills from a
rookie passing perspective, was decent last year. Freeman, how about
for you outside this top sixty, who are some of
those free wide receivers or names that people shoudw in
deeper leagues. I think he's still going outside of the

(53:44):
top sixty or just right in that range. Have you
guys ever heard of Julio Jones? Like I hate to
say it, it's it's so stupid, it's so stupid. But
he's like, for me, the opposite of Alan Robinson in
terms of like how I'm approaching them. Like if Alan
Robinson were as cheapest Julio Jones were, I would want
him everywhere, right, And that's how I feel about Julio.
Like he's got I know he's got the injury issues

(54:07):
that I'm not dismissing that at all, but when he's
been on the field, he's had ten point four yards
per target over the past two seasons. That's number four
across that time. Like that is still an elite number.
And when a guy normally declines, like he's got the
injury issues, but you normally also see him the decline
and efficiency, and we just haven't seen that same decline

(54:28):
in efficiency that we normally see with other guys. So
I am still on board with Julio. I know he's fragile,
so maybe he plays only four games, maybe eight games.
If that's the case, I look totally stupid, But that's
kind of baked into his ADP at this point. So
I'm going to take the shot on a guy who's like,
you know, last we saw still playing like a Hall
of Famer when he has a healthy hamstring. All right,

(54:49):
there you go, same kind of investment, but one is
much cheaper than the other. Let's dig into the listener
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(55:11):
that fun stuff we do there too, So once again,
membership has its privileges there. This is from clayde or Cleady.
I believe who would you guys keep in the season
out of these four players, Leonard, Fournette, Pittman, Waddle or Acres. Now, guys,
if this is a situation where I can keep somebody forever,
I imagine we're gonna lean towards one of these wide
receivers here. I don't want to step out of bounds. Friedman.

(55:32):
Do you favor one of these wide receivers as the
keeper in this group? Are you trust trying to win
now with a four net or Acres? No, I'm with you,
assuming that you can keep these guys multiple years. Pittman
is the guy that I'm looking at here. All right,
So is it Pittman over Waddle for you as well? Harmon? Yeah,
same ghost from me here. I would go Pittman over
Waddle if that's the case. All right, what if Waddle

(55:53):
had a better quarterback with that changer tune, because he
might get one next year. Yeah. Well, the Dolphin no
longer have two first round picks, which I actually think
was interesting right when they had two, it was you know,
they got two first You know, if Tah is just
mediocre next year, they have a really easy way to
immediately upgrade or part. You know, it'd be a rookie

(56:14):
passer most likely, unless there's like a disgruntled Russ type
of veteran next year, which who knows, the NFL's crazy now,
that might happen, But yeah, I think that sure, it'd
be honestly be great if both of these guys had
a better long term quarterback situation because with Matt Ryan, like,
you're probably getting him for this year and I'm hoping
next year, I'm hoping the Colston had to do this
damn dance again at quarterback again next year. But that's it.

(56:36):
Then after that we're back in quarterback wilderness. Theoretically with
the Colts, and I think the Dolphins are squarely in
quarterback wilderness right now too. All right, Cletti, thanks for
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