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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look out his only films to be buried with. Hello,
and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer
and director shot put, and I love films. As roy

(00:22):
T Bennett once said, start each day with a positive
thought and a grateful heart. And also the theme tune
from the Lego movie. I know it was meant to
be as satire and corporations, but there's also a fucking
banger if we're honest. Every week I'm invite a special
guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get
them to discuss their life through the films that meant
the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins and a Ruffin,
Mark Frost, Sharon Stone, and even But this week it's

(00:45):
the brilliant comedian, writer and actor. It's Emily Heller. I've
got the last five dates of my stand up tour.
Show you the second best note of your life. Come
and see me in New Orleans, Fort Lauderdale, Baltimore, Seattle
or Bellingham. Get your tickets at Brettgoldstein tour dot com.
We'll have a rise held laugh whyon't we? Yes? We
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forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you get an extra twenty
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also you get the whole episode uncut. Adfrey and does
a video. Check it out over at patreon dot com
forward slash Brett Goldstein. So Emily Heller. Emily Heller is
an excellent comedian. She's done two brilliant specials. She's an actor,
she's a writer. She worked on Barry, she worked on

(01:28):
loads of things that you love. She's got a new
Jeopardy podcast coming out. I think she's brilliant. Gigged with
her back in the day, and I think she's amazing.
We recorded this on Zoom about a week or so
ago and it was an absolute delight, and I really
think you're gonna love this one. So that is it
for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode three
hundred and eighteen of Films to be Buried With. Hello,

(01:58):
and welcome to to be Buried With. It is me
Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by a writer, actor,
a podcaster, a stand up comedian, a barrier, a surviving jacker,
a people of the worlder, a baby genius, a good
for her, a hero, a legend, one of the first

(02:19):
stand ups I think I met when I first came
out to l A true or false, I believe. So
please welcome to the show. I'm a massive fan, very
excited she's here. It's Emily Hala.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Oh yeah, we did a we did a benefit together.
I didn't realize that was like when you first came out.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
That was definitely the first big gig I did in LA.
I've been coming. I guess I've done pilot season a
few times. But yeah, we did that.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Man, what a weird what a weird thing?

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, and I met you. It was it was you,
and it was the lovely late Willie Garson, who was
incredibly lovely, and he was seeing the event and you
were on. I was on, Reggie.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Watts, Nikki Glazer, the gang was all there.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
And I remember Willie Garson saying to me, I was
on first, and he said, I'm not going to do
much warm up and he went on and he went, ladies, gentlemen,
welcome to the night. Your first taxes breat You didn't lie,
You didn't lie?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, okay, can I ask you do you prefer when
the host does that or when they do too much,
when they do a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
When they do like thirty, it's like there's no comedy
or or or.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
They do thirty or it's just like you just don't
really know when you're going up. Because I've had both
and they're both bad in their own kind of horrible way.
But for me, I'm like, I think I prefer when
it's nothing because then I just can pretend I'm hosting
and I know how.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
To do that.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
That's interesting, Yeah, I guess, well, if it's nothing, then
you're setting the tone.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, you have a little bit more control in that situation.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
But it is also hard if it's like a benefit
like that, when it's when you know the audience is
only rich people, there's something weird that happens.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
My experience of doing charity gigs, and I've done many.
Sure I'm a great guy, but I've done loads of
loads of tarity gigs. My experiences, they're always weird in
some way, and it's often because the audience aren't necessarily
there for comedy. It's often maybe the charity has brought
a load of people that weren't quite sure what this
evening was there's usually something that's odd.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
They have an interest in a very specific type of cancer,
which is not a great thing for audience unity.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
The worst is when you have to follow the person
who is explaining what the charity is and they do
a very moving speech and everyone cries and then they
go now for some dick jokes and you're like, Willie,
bring me back on with nothing Jesus.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, there is something that happens to with like when
it's a really fancy benefit where I feel like there's
sort of a power shift when you go on stage
where I feel like most of the time when you're
a comedian and you're going on stage, there's sort of
like an implied power relationship between you and the audience
where you're like, I am in control of the room
right now. I have a little bit of authority that

(05:13):
is helping me get through this, you know, like that's
helping me. But when you know you're in a room
with people who are just ultra wealthy, like there's like
a sense of like I am the court jester right.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Now, that's where you feel like the jester right yeah, exactly, it.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
You're paying for my company kind of but also you
can behead me if you wish.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yes, you can flick me away like that is not
for me. I didn't order this one with the bid.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yes, there's there's no there's nothing I can do on
stage to approach having any power over anyone in the room.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, there's not enough money in the world.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah. Interesting. Now, last time I saw you was in
San Francisco. But you I keep telling you to go
back to stand up, but you keep confusing too. Have
you gone back yet?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
I haven't, but I will say that night was like
the closest I've come. Right, that was like the most
tempting situation because I haven't done stand up since probably
like twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Did you actively stop or you just that?

Speaker 2 (06:19):
How do I answer that?

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Caw?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Is it active to stop doing anything?

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Well? It was it a decisive like I'm stopping or
was it.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Just sort of it was like I put out my
special and it was like, if I were to continue,
I would either be doing material that I had already
recorded on my special, which is kind of an upsetting
thing to do. It feels a little pointless and it's
your like best case scenario, I come up with a
new tag that I cannot.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Put on the special.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah, And.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
So it was like there was just sort of like
nothing creatively in that for me, or I could work
on new material, and I was like, I don't think
I have the space right now to work on new material.
So I did sort of make the decision. I was like,
I think I'm going to take a break.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I'm going to focus on the other things I'm going
to focus on.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
And then like a year later, the pandemic hit and
I was like, I am psychic, I am a genius,
I am I need to listen to myself more like
I just I was like the only person I knew
who wasn't canceling gigs like I had already been like,
I think I just need to like stay inside for
a while and write something, you know, And I was
just like, oh, did I make this happen?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
But yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Felt like also at the time that it happened, and
I've talked about this before, like it was like I
had a really hard time selling my special, even though
I thought that it was really good. And I was like,
at the same time, I was like the other parts
of my career were going better than they ever had before,
and I was like.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I feel like I should go where I'm wanted.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's pretty, you know.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
But then, yeah, you were doing a show in San
Francisco and it was like super sold out at the Punchline,
which is my favorite club, and you were like, do
you want to do a guest set? And I was like,
I have nothing written. But you could not conceive of
a softer landing because also like doing a guest set
at the Punchline in front of like your crowd too,

(08:03):
which they were so.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Warm late night, it was lovely.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, yeah, it would have been so easy. But I
truly had nothing. I have nothing written. But I do
feel like enough has happened to me since I put
out the special that I'm like, there's stuff in there.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
There's gold Beeves, You've got six years of stuff at least,
and yes, I'm bad at maths. You've got you've got
a number of yous.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think six is yeah, six is about right.
I want it to be six and not seven, just
for my own personal sort of sense of how fast
time it's.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's too about the special, It's difficult, all that fucking stuff. Yeah,
tell me this, tell me I want to ask you about.
I know, firstly, how long had you done stand up
before you slide down into twenty seventy had a little pause, I.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Guess about ten years?

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Ten years? Yeah, and you've got two specials, right, I had.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
One hour long special and I had done a half
hour for Comedy Central as well. But I have like
two full length albums, so basically like two full hours.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
I'd say, yeah, because you've got the it's your joke
about the restaurant?

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Which one?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Isn't that your joke?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Isn't it so bad that I don't remember any of
my jokes anymore?

Speaker 1 (09:14):
It's about dating in the restaurant? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah? Which is my album after Pasta? My
album Pasta.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
If you want to hear the full joke, because I
genuinely do not remember it, it's.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Really, really, really good. It's like an old time.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Thank you, Oh, thank you so much. That's very sweet.
I should remember it, shouldn't I?

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I should? I remember it six to seven to eight
years later. Yeah, what about You've done lots lots of
writing and you worked on a shy that I fucking loved, Barry?
Did you work on all of Barry.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I did not work on the final season, So that explains.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
It, right. Can you can you give me any insight
into how that worked as a as a writer's room,
like how much? I guess It's always hard to explain,
isn't it, But I.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Mean, yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
It worked different than most shows I've worked on, especially
like as a comedy writer. Yeah, because so much of
it was so serialized, and they basically we would come
in at the beginning of the season and Bill and
Alec the other showrunner, sorry, that's my dog's the collar.
They would have sort of a rough shape of what
they wanted the season to be and like what the
themes were, and we would sort of like and you know,

(10:23):
they would kind of put up on the board like
sort of where they wanted it to start and end
and some of the things that they wanted to happen
in between. We would kind of like kick the tires
on those stories, and we would talk about it a lot,
and it was the type of show where we were
constantly just like moving the chess pieces because we would
sort of like drop all of our ideas into various
buckets for episodes. But at the same time, it's like

(10:45):
we would write something in episode three and we'd have
to be like, okay, well that changes everything in episode five,
so we're tearing all of that down. And because the
star of the show, and maybe this is the case
on ted Lasso too, like the star of the shows
and the right Room, we don't go into production while
the writer's room is happening.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's all afterward.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
And this is one of the things that we went
on strike about. We as writers did not go to set,
and the show runners were on set obviously, but it
meant that like by the time the writer's room wrapped,
that's when they would start table reads and stuff like that,
and everything would end up getting rewritten then too, because
once you have the you know, have it on its feed,

(11:25):
and like the actors, you find new stuff and you
figure things out and stuff works. Stuff doesn't once you
get on set. And so a lot of times I
would end up watching my episode big air quotes and
be like, oh, I did not know any of that
was going to happen, and it's just sort of the
reality of it. But you would also we didn't really
get to do like punch ups, you know, which was

(11:46):
like a little bit for me.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I was like, Oh, that's like what I live for,
you know.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, I like that so very very much. And I
like how it got progressively, like it became darker and
darker and darker in a really good way, in a
way like that I couldn't work out if it was
always like as in from season two onwards, it's like
he's a very bad guy. He's a very bad guy.
But Barry is not the hero of this story.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
No, Yeah, and I think it was there was a
little bit of like punishing the audience in that of
like season one is basically like Pinocchio. It's like he
wants to be a real boy, and then like season two,
I don't know if there's like another analogy, but it's
like he's he's like, oh no, I'm actually a bad person,
and then the rest of it it's just like he's like, no,
I've accepted that.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm like yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
It's like he wants to change, and then he feels
like he can't change, and then he's like, oh no,
I'm actually a bad person. And then it sort of
gets to the point where he's like everyone's bad. And
it got it, Yeah, got darker and darker, and I
think That's also why I was like, I think I
might need to tap out, because the point this.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Is not actually like my bag.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
And I'm working now on a show called The Great North,
which is like a just like a family sit like
an yeah, it's just like super lovely and light and
everyone's nice.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
And I'm like, this is just like it's like a
little bit of a palate clench for me of like
oh yeah, no, no, no, like.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
You get yeah, you get in, I mean, and like,
I really loved working on Barry and I really learned
so much about story and how to like make things
feel really satisfying. Like the standards they had for how
the stories were structured like really rewired me in a
way that like makes it so that like I can't
feel totally settled on a story that I'm writing until

(13:33):
it feels like true dominoes are affecting every aspect of it,
which is just like that's not necessary for every story
you want to write. Sometimes I have to be like,
oh wait, no, I'm allowed to write something stupid back up,
and like.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
It's always very impressive when you say it that. I
always think about Breaking Bad Season one when I watched
it right at the beginning and it's really good and
you're like, this is a really good show. And then
is like the moment with the plate with the broken plate?
Do you remember that? And it's like you have deep
deeply Plus is.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
So exciting because this means I'm ready for a rewatch
because I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
It's just like where you go, Oh this is you,
I guess deep plotting. It's like you said, like we
test pieces, like, oh, you've really thought about this.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's very set this up.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, it's very very cool. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I really made it sound like I left Stand Up
to do some really important writing, and I didn't. I
didn't do that much right after I left. Yeah, I
did a lot of development stuff which you're familiar with,
you know. And then now I'm back at a room,
which is nice. But did you write during the strike?

(14:46):
Were you productive, like just your own stuff like you
get yeah, or like passion projects or things like that,
because I was truly like, my brain is off.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Well. I heard this that after the strike ended that
all the all the studios were like thinking, oh god,
we're going to be they lose, they loosed, dead, looged, deloused.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I think these were all acceptable.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Okay, by uh scripts written on Spectru in the strike.
And then the strike ended, and it was like, oh, no,
no one wrote everyone. No one wrote there's nothing, and
everyone was going everyone got anything, any scripts talking about anyone?
People really didn't write. Yeah, Emily Hella, I was just wanting

(15:29):
to tell you something. Oh what you've died? Oh we're dead.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
What are you going to do?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I don't know, make the most of it? I space,
How did you die? Oh?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
It was kind of stupid.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Actually, I was on an escalator and my shoe was
untied and I knew it, and and I was with
a friend of mine who was like, you should really
tie that before we get to the top of the escalator,
and I was like, get off my back, and then
I was going to do it. And I was going
to be like, really rub it in their face. How
much time I had to do it? But then I
saw Barber streysand on the down escalator, and I got

(16:03):
really distracted, and my shoelace got caught on the escalator
and then it pulled my feet and my skeleton through
and then my skin just like ripped off. And you
know what's sucked up is it wasn't even Barber striysand
was it was just some other lady.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
So the shoelaces went at the top of the escalator.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
It pulled I was going up, Yeah, and it.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Took it split open your shoes and your skeleton got.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
So yeah, help. It pulled my feet inside.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Your whole feet went in.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
My whole feet went in, and then my skeleton was
just sort of flapping like a flag in the wind.
And then the sort of serrated part of the stairs
just sort of pulled my skin off. It's got a
lot grosser than I actually was pictured.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Do you think you could pick it up like a
buddy suit, like your whole buddy was intact.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, someone else could.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Put it, put you on, put it on themselves. Yeah,
it would have to be you know. Yeah, it's a
little bit smaller.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Than imagine if you're behind you on the escalator and
you're like whack on the Emily.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Hell yeah, it like flipped up in the air and
then landed on another person and then they rub.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
And then.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, and it's covered in blood.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
But that's a pretty cool way to die. Do you
worry about death?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Not really. I worry a lot more.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
I mean, I definitely have the thing of like you know,
like if something's flying at my head, I will duck.
You know, I don't want to die, but there's not
that much more I want to do. Like I'm I
don't feel like if it happened now, obviously, I don't
think I would feel anything, But it's like if I
if it happened now, I think I'm at peace with
how I spent my time, you know what I mean,

(17:49):
Like I do think I'm more worried about being like
really uncomfortable. Yeah, I get that, you know, like really
uncomfortable for a long amount of time. My grandmother lived
to be one hundred years old, and yeah, it was
a joke in my act for a while, but it
was a true thing that happened, which was like on
her birthday, I asked her, how does it feel, and

(18:12):
she said, I'm not sure I recommend it, And I've
really just sort of taken that to heart, like she
didn't want to be around that way.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
She was just like healthy, pretty healthy, or was she
I mean.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Like throughout her life or at the.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
End in the last twenty years.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
At the end, you know, she was pretty healthy up
until about three years before she died, and she had
some sort of I forget what happened. She had some
sort of health incident where she went to the hospital
and they didn't get her out of bed enough when
she was in the hospital, and so when she left
the hospital, she couldn't walk anymore. And so for the
last three years of her life she was bedbound. And

(18:52):
it was like we thought she was going to die
pretty much like every day. Well, year one, we were
like like we had gone to say goadbye, and we
thought it was the end. Then she lived another three years. Yeah,
I mean, and I you know, she's she was like
in a very good position for the US. I suppose
like she had ample resources she had in home health

(19:13):
care and she could still like place gravel and stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
But you know, she didn't want to.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Be in a bed all the time or a wheelchair,
and like, I don't think I want to get to
that point, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
But you can't control it.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
She and her husband used to talk about and maybe
this is too bleak, but you're the one making the
death podcast. Ye, she and her husband who he it
was interesting because he died a year after she became bedbound,
Like we thought she was going. First, she married this
guy who was like he was her third husband and
he was eight years younger than her, and we thought

(19:44):
she he would outlive her. Then you know, he died
very suddenly about a year after she was bedbound. After
that it was really like, oh, this sucks, because like
when he was around, it was at least like, you know,
they had each other still. But they used to talk
about He used to say he was a very like
practical person and in a lot of ways, and he
was just like, yeah, you know, if I thought we
could just get in the car and drive off a

(20:07):
cliff and go out that way, I would do it.
But there's too much risk of just getting really badly
injured and not dying. He was like, we we could
end up really like badly disabled by it, and you know,
there's too much or we might hurt other people. And
but you know, it was at that point where they
were like, well all we do is go to funerals,
and oh so this is really there's no, no, it's good.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
What I want to know is in England, when you
reach one hundred, the queen sends you about to cut.
She's no longer with us. So I assume now the
king does. In America, just the president. Do you get
anything when you're hundred weapons?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Oh, I think you can get on the Today Show.
They'll show your picture on TV. And my grandmother was
very firm that she did not want that to happen,
but it does seem like you should get more. It's
one of those things where like when I got married
to like, we like aped and it was a very
like sort of low key thing, so we didn't do

(21:04):
like a wedding with presents, like we just like got
married in our living with just our family, and it
was like a very sort of quick thing on the run. Well,
it was like honestly sort of related to Trump being
president because he like after that like insurance companies, it
was for health insurance, Like okay, it was a complicated
sort of domino of things, but it would be I

(21:24):
basically my husband got kicked off his health insurance illegally.
But while we were trying to resolve it, it was like,
how quickly could I get him on my insurance if
we got married? And I called my union and they
were like, oh, the second you get married, he'll be
on your insurance. So literally after we made that phone call,
it was like two weeks later we got married, and
so it was like, you know, we were already in

(21:46):
the middle of buying a house together. It's not like
we weren't committed in some way, but it was very quick.
There was a part of me where I was like,
I feel like I'm supposed to get like a free
scoop at Baskin Robbins for this or something like that.
I tried to look up like what do you get
when you get married. It was like all of the

(22:06):
results were like a sense of security, like a tax break,
and I'm like, no, I think I'm supposed to get like.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
A free T shirt from someone like fun.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, like you get a button at Disneyland that like,
let's see one of the riots faster, Like when it's
your birthday at Disneyland, they give you a button that
says it's my birthday and then all day people are.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Like happy Birthday. I was like, I want something like that.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
You know, you need to get on a plane or something.
Then this is because if you were doing it so
low key, you do get that if you're like just
married on a plane or oh yeah, you know, you
want to pretend it's your honeymoon everywhere you go stuff
like that. Then you, people will give you special gifts.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, And I do think like, next time we go
on like a big oh my god, we just went
on a trip and I forgot to do it. I've
been saying for years that the next time we go
on a trip, I'm gonna like because we don't wear
rings either, but I was like, oh, I'm going to
get like a big fake ring and tell everyone it's
our honeymoon. And we went to Niagara Falls too, and
I didn't do it, And that's such an obvious honeymoon place.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Right, there's still time because you've been very likely about
how things. So people still that night. So it's it's good.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
You can go wherever you go, wherever we go.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, wherever you go. Next time is you honeymoon? What
do you think happens when you die? Where's your grandma? Now?

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I think she's gone?

Speaker 3 (23:22):
And I think it's weird because I'm like, I guess
you could say I'm agnostic just because I don't like
to be arrogant, but I feel pretty confident that like, like,
I think I do think that like all of those
like really cool drugs get released right before you die,
and I think that that's probably pretty awesome. I think
you maybe learn some cool stuff from that. But I

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do think that after you die, you're gone, probably, But
I also get very wistful when people talk about like
she would be really happy with this, you know, like yeah,
people say things like that, or even if they say,
like she can see you, you know, like, even though
I don't believe in it, I do still feel like, Oh,
it's kind of like cool that people do in a way,

(24:07):
like stay around in our minds.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I mean, look at your backdrop for those of you
who can't see Emily, she's recording this from the Northern life. Yeah,
and I mean, isn't that a bit of magic? I mean,
I know it's also science or whatever, but equally, what
do you think happens? Oh? I believe in all of it.

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I think that I believe in reincarnation.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Do you worry about your your legacy?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
I believe like in the film, so I think that
Pixar as usual have a sort of figured out. I
think you go to a place in between and you
have like heavenly experience, and then you go back and
doing that around in a different life, Like do.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
You worry about what people are going to think about
you after you die.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yes, I suppose I do well as at least in
terms of work, like I want to leave good work behind. Yeah,
I do think about that. But then I'm also aware
that when I die, TV and film and stand up
might not even exist. So this sort of legacy is
like what no one could even see it? Well, how
do you feel about it?

Speaker 3 (25:12):
I've been thinking about it more lately, just because So
I just went on a trip and one of the
one of the places we went, so we were in
New York and then we were going to go to Toronto,
and I was like, oh, we can take the train.
And if we take the train, we can stop in Rochester,
New York, which is where my grandmother was born, and
so like, I have a lot of family who are
buried in Mount Hope Cemetery there, which is like where

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Susan B.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Anthony is buried and stuff. And I was like, my mom.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Would really like it if I stopped there, if I
like saw a little bit of this place that she
was so fond of visiting as a child because I
grew up in California. And I was like, and I
can go visit our family in the cemetery who I
don't really know that much about I know what my
mom has told me and things like that. But like
I started doing online research of like my family genealogy

(25:56):
right just to be like, who else do we have there?
And then I just lost days of my life going
through all of the online records and stuff and just
finding stuff where I'm just like, well, first of all,
a lot more cousin Marying than I expected to find. No, no, no,
And it was it was a hard thing to figure
out because I was like, wait, I saw this name already.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
I saw this name when I was looking at this.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, and it was like a lot of like Pilgrims too,
And so it was like the names were like so
mind Well her dad was the uncle of her husband,
and like there were multiple mind Wells, there were multiple
women named submit. But I had this feeling that I
was like, the more I was like conceptualizing their life,

(26:44):
I was like, oh, I am horrified by what their
life looked like, and they would be horrified by what
my life looks like too, Like it doesn't take that
much time for your sort of general idea of what
a life should look like change, Like, it doesn't take
that many generations.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
So it's like, oh yeah, that woman named submit.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
I kind of imagined that I wouldn't enjoy her life,
and I think my life would make her vomit.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, it's silly, probably all silly.
Like I do believe the thing that makes me like
in terms of forgive me for being sincere, but then
in terms of like, I don't know about your life,
but in terms of the things that you make, there
is that thing. I believe. It's Alan Bennett and he
talks about when you read a book from the past,

(27:34):
and when you read a book from the past and
you feel like it's you, it's so relatable, but it's
a book from like one hundred and fifty years ago.
It's like a hand reaching from the past to shake yours,
is how he describes it. I believe, and I think
about that. I think that's really beautiful, and that's like
the highest that's the best version of it. Yeah, but
I still think that what the sort of mediums that

(27:57):
you and I are working in probably won't exist unless
you write a book. Let's write a book. It is
all fucking pointless anyway. Yeah, good news, there is a
heaven and you're going in because of your legacy that
will be impossible to watch in a few years. What,
but it's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Probably just comedy. There's like a bunch of comedy happening.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
You know, there's comedy. There's comedy everywhere. Everyone's there's a
comedian that you like. It's good vibes, funny.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
People, it's good vibes.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Everyone's having like really like sweet conversations with each other too.
Everyone's really like in that mood where they're thinking about, like,
I just remembered how much I like talking to you, you.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Like, you ever get that feeling when you're just like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
I love it. And that's a special feeling you get
at the back of the gig when you see people
haven't seen for a while lovely.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Right, or people who went through something with you that
you're like, oh, you are someone who you understands me
and also still loves me.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Like that kind of thing that would be really nice.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
And then also, I mean, I've talked about this before,
and I don't I'm sure that there are a lot
of people who will just like roll their eyes and
be like just eat it now.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
But like I'm a vegetarian.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
I haven't eaten meat in like twenty five years, but
I always loved it. And it's like I whenever people
are like, what's your last meal, and I'm like, it's
every meat I've had a dream about.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
In the last twenty five years.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
You know, you can have anything, and it's like it's
really like fried chicken, like KFC fried chicken, but where
all the meat is really high quality. There's none of
that like weird stringy stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
You know, it's the good shit.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, it's like a steak that doesn't make me choke,
like because for some reason, like I love steak as
a kid, but I have multiple memories of choking and
vomiting from eating it too fast.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, now you'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, that's that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
So comedy places and lines of lovely mate ready case.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, and you eat the food and it doesn't make
you feel weird afterward.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
And yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Filmiting, Yeah, lots of like puppies around.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Lovely eating them, lovely puppies. And everyone's very excited to
see you, and they wanted to talk about your life
but through film. And the first thing they ask you
is what is the first film you remember seeing Emily Hella.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
So I think the first one that I like really
remember seeing. And I can't be sure cause who can.
But when I was a kid and we used to
go to the video store to check out videos, I
always checked out the same movie, which at a certain point,
I don't know why we didn't just buy it because
it was the only movie I ever rented.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
And it was this album and the Chipmunks. Did you
guys have that in the UK?

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yes, yes you did. I had the Christmas album about okay.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yes, yeah, a classic.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
I sometimes like, I'm like, wait, is this something that
people watch outside of my hometown.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Weirdly, I'm not sure we had the cartoon, but I
had the album, so I know.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
You had the album.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Interesting them singing like Christmas caros.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
But as Yeah, So there was this they made this
movie that was I should have looked up what it's called.
It's just like the Alvin and the Chipmunks movie where
they like go on a hot air balloon race around
the world. Right that they don't understand is a diamond
smuggling operation. Funny, and I watched that movie probably a

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hundred times.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I'm gonna look it up now. I'm sorry I should
have looked this.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
I was just like, Oh, I'll remember the name when
it's time to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
I of course don't.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Ye haven't. In The Chipmunks Round the World to Day's movie.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
It's just called The Chipmunk Adventure.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
That's why, because it's a terrible name, and it's all
they also have the girl Chipmunks and they're doing their
own like their racing. And it was never in theaters
or anything, but I watched it over and over again,
and I'm sort of a little wary to tell the
story because I feel like my parents love you, so
they might try and listen to this episode, so I
want them to know hear the story. But it was

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this movie that like no one saw. I had never
met anyone else who had ever seen it. And then
I was visiting my friend, my friend from college, Vince
in Seattle, and I saw that he had a guitar,
and I was like, oh, do you play guitar? And
he was like, I've been learning this one song you
probably don't know, and he started playing the theme song
from the movie, like it's from this Chipmunks movie, and

(32:24):
I was like, I was obsessed with that movie as
a kid, and I've never seen it again since.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
I was like, I can't remember. He was like, I
have the DVD. I can lend it to you.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
And so he gave he like, let me borrow the
DVD even though I lived in San Francisco at the time,
and I brought it back with me to San Francisco.
And this was like a period in my life when
I was sort of like fresh out of a relationship
and kind of like going out and trying to like
have some fun.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
And it was also a time before Netflix.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
And that's important because I brought a guy back to
my place after a night out for what will end
up being the worst sex I've ever had in my life.
And we start to make out and he stops me
and he says, do you have anything we could watch?
And I was like, I only have one thing we

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could watch right now, and I put it on and
add the least competent sexual experience of my adult life.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
And I felt like when I returned the DVD to Vince,
like I owed him an apology.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Couple of couple of follow up questions. Was this sex
bad because of the Chipmunk adventure distracting you from the data? Oh?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
That was honestly probably the best part of it.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
So the Chipmunk Adventure was good. That the sex was
bad because he was taking your attention away from the
Chipmunk event.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
The sex was bad because I think he maybe hadn't
had sex before and didn't say anything about it.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
How was this person you brought home?

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Oh, he's like twenty five, okay, which is just like
not a weird aged not have done it before, but
it is a weird thing to be like, I'm going
to do it for the first time with a person
I just met who and I'm not.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
To the adventure and.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Maybe he doesn't know that's average.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
We're supposed to watch something. And here's my question. Do
you think he was like? What do you think he
wanted me to put on?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Did he mean music? I probably should have just put on.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Probably meant music. Yeah, that's really really funny. He was like,
you got any sexy music in your life?

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I was like, we're you see the World.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
A lovely story.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Yeah, the film is incredibly racist because they're around the
world adventure. You can guess how racist it is. There
are some breros, there are scary men everywhere they go
chasing them with very culturally specific weapons.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I think it does not. It does not.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Okay, that is a difficult sexual experience. Then there's a
lot guy on there, like.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
One of those things where it's like, I can't tell
you about that movie without also telling you what's happening
in the back of my brain when I.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Think about it. What's the film that made you cry
the most? Do you cry a lot? Are you a cryer?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
I cry a lot.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I cry pretty easily, and sometimes I will try to cry.
And there is a movie that I would put on
when I wanted to cry because it always made me cry,
which was Monsoon Wedding.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh, Yes, have you seen it?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I have?

Speaker 2 (35:31):
By mir Andnair.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
It's and it's the scene where the niece who had
been raised she's not the one who's getting married, she's
the cousin of the bride, but she's been raised by
the parents of the bride basically as their child. But
she has a history of being sexually abused by the
wealthy uncle of the family who everyone is catering to

(35:53):
because he's paying for the wedding. And there is a
scene where basically the man who raised her finally stands
up to him and basically tells him to leave because
he's unrepentant as a child molester, and he tells her
like you are my daughter. And it's sort of the
first time, and it's just like every time I watched it,

(36:13):
I just like absolutely lose my shit.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
That's a really really good answer and it hasn't come
up before.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Oh really, Oh that makes me feel good? And you
know what, I'll tell you what. I feel like my
answers are either going to be really obvious or no
one else will have come up with them before.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Did anyone else talk about that Jimunk movie?

Speaker 1 (36:30):
This is your team for two?

Speaker 3 (36:33):
I'm not a movie person. I don't know if we've
talked about that part yet, Like I've it.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
It doesn't mean as long as you've seen twelve or more,
we're fine.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
I'm trying to fix it. I really am.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, but it's hard for me because I don't like
unfamiliar things. So it's like that's part of why I
like TV is because I'm like, even though if I
haven't seen this episode, I know these characters. You know
it's it's Chandler. You know, yeah again, here's Chandler. I
know Handler, but and I probably wouldn't have seen Monsoon

(37:07):
Wedding if I wasn't taking a class in college about
the Indian diaspora.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
In film Wow, what is the film that scared you
the most and do you like being scared?

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Absolutely loathe being scared. I really avoid horror movies. I'm
also I like I don't do like scary roller coasters either.
I think I had I am extremely sensitive to adrenaline. I
don't need to go on a roller coaster to like feel.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Like stand up anymore. But stand Up didn't.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Make me feel adrenaline at all. I needed.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I need attention to live, you know, like that just
feels normal. It feels normal to be on stage and
have people looking at me.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
It's not scary at all.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
But the film that I think scared me the most
because I had nightmares about it for weeks afterward, was
Hook Because that scene where they put the guy in
the boo box full of bugs. I used to like
wake up in the middle of the night screaming thinking
my walls were covered in bugs.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
A surprising answer. Hook has been mentioned on this podcast,
but never as scariest.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Never as scary. Yeah, because it's not that scary. I
think the things that scare me about. Movies are maybe
different than what other people are scary, but like I
like body horror stuff. Like I am so mad that
I know about the movie The Human Centipede. I haven't
even seen it, but I'm so mad someone made it,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Like, well, the title, they did the job in the
United title when you were already you can't back out.
Now you don't know exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
You're like, how did they do it exactly?

Speaker 3 (38:37):
And then when you find out what it actually is,
you're like, that's even worse than what I thought.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, much less.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I knew they'd be sewn together, but I didn't know how.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
You didn't know it was going to be but to mouth, no.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yeah, I want to be in that pitch meeting for
that movie too.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I'm sure we've mentioned this before, but I can't imagine
being an actually in that film. I can't imagine. I
just just on set daily, sewed into someone's butt.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Do they have an intimacy coordinator on that set?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
It was kind of before the rise of it. Yeah,
it was. How would you even do it?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
I don't know time for a reboot? What is the
film that you love? Most people don't like it. It
is not critically acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
It's a film called I don't know if it made
it to the UK. It's called eighty for Brady.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yes, Busy, Jane Fonda, uh huh.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
It's Sally Field, Lily Tomlin, Jane Fonda and.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Rita Marino Lovely great case.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, and it's a movie that is when I found
out it was based on a true story, and like,
the amount of information in the thing that it's based
on is so nothing. It's literally just there was an
agent whose grandmother had a group of friends that she

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to watch football with and they would wear shirts that
just said over eighty for Brady. They're just fans of
Tom Brady. But nothing else in the movie happened to them.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
But that they.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Got Tom Brady on board and they made the movie.
And it was actually written by two comedy writers who
I think are really talented. But because of the type
of movie it is, it's just it's chalk full of
jokes that are terrible, but also some really good jokes too.
It's like a weird sort of pendulum swing of like
oh that's actually a good joke, or oh that's really funny.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Because of how bad it is. It's like a it's
like it makes you feel high while you're watching it.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Because there's so much in it that is expected and
then so much that is unexpected. And the sort of
wish fulfillment of all those movies is, Oh, these these
old women are actually better than everyone around them at
everything they try to do, and it's just you're just
watching idiots underestimate them throughout the whole movie, and Lily

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Tomlin's commitment to the Boston accent is extremely thin.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
It is.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
It comes and it goes like a karma chameleon.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
It is truly evasive, and it's just it's just so
much fun throughout.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
There's just nothing. There's nothing about it that can put
you in a bad mode.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
The only reason I didn't see it is because of
American football, and that's you know, that's bad of me,
because I thought it looked great and I like everyone
evoked and I've heard this good.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Are you contractually because of Ted lassou not not allowed
to engage with anything related to American football?

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah? It's how did our contract? What if? On the
other hand, a film you used to love, you loved it,
but you've watched it recently and you've got now I
don't like this anymore.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
It really kills me to say this, but Dumb and Dumber.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Oh no.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
So I did a podcast for many years called baby
Geniuses with my friend Lisa Haniwalt, who's like a you know,
a genius and really funny, and she loves Jim Carrey
and she loved Jim Carrey movies when she was younger,
but she hadn't seen Dumb and Dumber. And I remember
dying laughing watching Dumb and Dumber, just thinking it was
the best movie ever made, and being like, oh my god,

(42:20):
we have to watch Dumb and Dumber, like you are
going to lose your mind.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
It's so good.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
And we like sat down to watch it and I
was like, oh, no, to watch it when you were young.
It's just like there's still some stuff that's funny in it,
but it's also just so it's got that like sort
of weird meanness to it that the Fairly Brother movies
had that I think at the time I didn't really

(42:46):
pick up on how sort of like repellent it was
and how mean in a way that's like not just
like nihilistic, but sort of like psychopathic.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
You know, actually do know what you mean as you.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Did where you're just like, oh, this is like sort
of this is hateful.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, there's definitely moments in it that are really great,
but all in all, I was just like, oh, this
doesn't really hold up that well.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Most comedy films do not. They date very quickly.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, and it's just such a miracle when they do.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I've watched a few recently where I've been like, I
don't know if it's actually as good as I feel
like it is right now, but I am just it
is just such a miracle that it held up as
well as it.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, Coming to America holds up.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Oh it does.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Oh I haven't.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
I haven't watched that in a while. It's great Bowfinger.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Finger completely has. It holds up.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
So well, it's so good, so good.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
But it's often it's to do with it's what Steve
Martin does that it is because he's not he was
never transgressive. I think that's it. I think it's when
comedy is transgressive, what becomes in the future is I
think that's it. Someone explained to me, and I was like, yes,
it's the fact that like when something is like outrageous.

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At the time, it's funny because it's outrageous and transgressive.
But then times move on and that outrageous thing isn't
outrageous anymore, and now it's actually offensive or like right,
because it's because it's not transgressive. It's like, oh, no,
you really shouldn't be doing that. Do you know? These
things do change.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
But there's also some things and I can't say it
will hold up forever, but there's things in it that
feel they're like topical, but they're like magically still topical,
Like all of the scientology stuff. I'm like, that's not timeless.
But the fact that those jokes still work, Yeah, it's
actually kind of depressing. But yeah, but you're like, oh,
that is sort of like but it is like it's

(44:38):
about sort of who you're pushing against.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
I think completely and Steve Mountain films are always lovely.
I think you're right about the kind of nastiness. Some
of these films had that in them.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
And I think that that's a trend that could come back,
you know what I mean, That's like a trend that
could come back where people could start enjoying those movies
again in that same way. It could be cyclical, you
know what I mean. And it's also interesting because Bofinger
was considered such a failure because it came out in
nineteen ninety seven, all.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Of them, if you just think it was out of place.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Well, and also it was just that was just such
a monster year for movies. It was like Titanic, the Matrix,
like giant giant movies came out that year, and like
Bofinger was pretty under the radar. But you're like, if
a comedy did those kind of numbers, now you'd be
like thrilled.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
What is the film that means the most to you?
Not necessarily the film itself is good, but the experience
you had seeing the film always makes it meaningful to you.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I don't know if like the meaning is good, but
it is a meaningful experience.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
That I had my first kiss during Meet the Parents.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Was it as bad as that guy's first six?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
No? No, it was. It was a better experience than
it was. It was.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yeah, you know, it had its own surprises you this kiss. No,
I was, but I just didn't know what it would
feel like, you know how. It's like weirder than you
think it's gonna be. It feels weird well, it.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Was just like we were like fully making out.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
At what point in the film, Oh.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
God, I wish I could tell you how far into it.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Probably about half an hour, okay, And I will say, like,
that's the type of movie that at the time really
stressed me out, So I was kind of glad to
be missing it. Yeah, like movies, I'm now like I've
been on a really big farce kick for the last
few years, Like my husband and I have been doing
like marathons of farce movies. It's kind of like a
way to force me to watch movies, to have like

(46:38):
a series.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
That I'm building for myself.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
And so now I'm like, oh, I should rewatch it
as part of the farce watch because I'm like, I'm
more comfortable with movies where everything goes wrong. I've gotten
like desensitized to that element. But at the time, and
I also I've like I've learned more about how my
anxiety operates. But when I was a teenager, I was
just like, I don't like this. Everyone's stressed out and
they're misunderstand Yes.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
So probably that, I guess.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
I don't know if there are any other movies that
give me as much of a like, oh, I can
really really tie this to a very specific moment in
my life.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Did you did you stay with this person for any
length of time your first case.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, it was like my first boyfriend. We were together
for like a year. He's a doctor, he's like a surgeon.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yeah, we follow each other on Instagram, and like our
lives went in very very different directions for a number
of reasons. But we also now both are gardeners, so
like sometimes it's like a weird thing where it's like
he is married and has two children and is a
surgeon and I am in a very different but then
we're also it's like, oh, yeah, you're also starting your

(47:44):
seeds right now.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
It what is the film you must relate to?

Speaker 3 (47:49):
This feels like a little bit of like poverty stolen valor,
because I shouldn't relate to it as much as I do.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
But like the movie Slums of Beverly Hills.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Really yes, I saw it multiple times in high school,
and it really like, I think there's something about the
way it's about someone who's sort of too young to
be really let in on what their family is going through,
and as like the youngest of three siblings who's sort
of like pulled around with what's going on with your

(48:21):
family and not really having power over your life, like
even though my life is much easier than that character's life,
but feeling like you want everything to be about what
you're going through and it just isn't and can't be.
But you know, she's like in that movie, it's like
she's learning how to like masturbate for the first time,

(48:42):
and she's like trying to She's trying to just like
sort of stay put and be who she is and
like learn who she is, and all of this other
stuff is sort of getting in the way. I don't
know if I relate to that part as much, but
just that feeling of powerlessness that comes with being a
teenager where you're like I have so much that I
want to do and I am not in charge of
any Yeah, And also just that she isn't part of

(49:03):
like a clique, you know, she isn't part of like
a group of friends who all are living their lives
in the same way. And I always felt like I
was never like I had like one or two friends
in every group, but I wasn't part of like a
cohesive like I never felt like I really fit anywhere,
And I think that that so I sort of relate
to that feeling, and I still feel like that as
a grown up.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Isn't that being a comedian?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I mean kind of oh, just fitting or not fitting?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
No fitting, that's what you've described.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, I mean, I think being a comedian is sort
of like making a practice of making people like you.
It's making a practice of making people relate to you,
because it's not something you can just sort of do
without thinking yeah, because it's not. It's something you have
to like systematize. It's something that you have to like

(49:53):
sit down and like separate yourself from and you can't.
Like people who just have like normal relationships don't have
to do that.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
It's very true. What is the sexiest film you've ever seen?
Emily Head?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
So I.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Adventure than the Chipmunk Adventure, which is what you make
of it. So I felt this way when I first
saw it, and then I rewatched it, and I was like,
still got it?

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Eatu, Mama, tambien.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Fucking correct answer, right, one hundred percent the correct answer.
I mean, it's sexy ass film.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
It's a really sexy movie in a very specific way,
in a way where it's like I have never and
will never have that kind of sex too. But it
is like also, it's like when Challengers came out, I
was like, you wish you know what I mean? Like
everyone was like, oh my god, there's a three. I'm like,
this isn't a you know, it's not even getting nearer?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
What iumm tambien? Did? I mean it is?

Speaker 3 (50:57):
And it was good, but yeah, Gail Garcia Burne, I
was like, probably the first I have like a kind
of a block, like I don't really usually think celebrities
are like attractive.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
And it's not that I'm like, oh gross, it's just
like I.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Can't feel anything toward them, you know what I mean,
Like I don't.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I don't. I wouldn't like put posters up.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
On my wall.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Maybe I'm like completely misremembering my youth, but like I
have a hard time feeling that. But I was like
with him, I was like, I feel a thing, like
things are happening. And then when I saw him at
the Emmys, I was just like, oh.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Did he say oh no?

Speaker 3 (51:39):
But then he's I like saw him talking to Nicholas Holt,
who was who was in Skins, and I was like, oh.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
They're talking to each other did I am? I am?
I asleep?

Speaker 1 (51:52):
There's a subcategory to this question, troubling by and is worrying?
Why Dunes a film he found a rousing But you
weren't sure that you should What was that? Oh?

Speaker 3 (52:00):
And I definitely shouldn't have go on? Did you ever
see scary movie?

Speaker 1 (52:04):
I love scary movie? Yeah, sure that, I'm sure that
is also doesn't hold up. But I really loved it.
I think should want and ask her for it. I
mean's incredible in it.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
She's so good in it. And do you know what
it's seeing I'm going to talk.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
About where she has sex and he comes to her
that she explains it onto the ceiling.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah, and she has plastered to the ceiling with just
like us swimming pool's amount of cum.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, that is the sex.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
There's something about It's not even that I want to
be in that situation, although I don't want to really
ask myself honestly, but there's something about that energy that
is really like or just that sort.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Of like big cum energy.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, bigcome energy, and that sort of pent up.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
There's something about like really pent up delayed things like that.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Was it not like this with your twenty five year
old watching a Chipmunk adventure.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
It wasn't like that at all. No, that felt more
like a drive by. It wasn't it wasn't anticipated. None
of it was anticipated. There's no anticipating. The anticipation is
everything in this, but also many many buckets.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Is this the most disgusting?

Speaker 1 (53:19):
This is such a good and it's something that I.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Sometimes she's so good, she said, so talented. Did you
watch Mom? Were you a Mom fan?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
I've seen a couple of websides of it and was
very impressed by I never.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
One of those like take it or leave it, Chuck
Lori shows. But it has actually a lot of good
jokes in it, and you're also you're just like it's
Anna Faris and Alison Janney, like they're both too good
for it.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
But it's good because of them.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Is credible, incredible comedic actor and getting blasted to the
ceiling by God bless her. I know she did what
is objectively the greatest film of all time. Might not
be your favorite, but it's the greatest.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I think it's either how many answers am I allowed
to give one?

Speaker 1 (54:13):
One? Fuck? You can give two, and I'll tell you
which one it is.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Sunset Boulevard, Sunset Boulevard, Yeah, or die Hard or Parasite, Parasite.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I think it's Sunset Boulevard, Yeah, because of how weird
that is.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
And it's so it has this like unstuck from time
quality where like it feels like it could have been
made in the time, you know, in the twenties or today,
or or it just feels like nothing about it feels dated,
even though it's incredibly dated in like, you know, she's
a silent film.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Very specific, and yet it's.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
So specific, and yet you're like, nothing about it feels like, oh,
it's utilizing some sort of usual language that we no
longer use, or like there are ideas that are no
longer relevant, Like it is all very still relevant and
poignant and funny and funny and weird ways, and like
it was one of those movies where I watched it
so long after I was supposed.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
To Yeah, and then I was like, Okay.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
I get it, I get it, I get why I'm
supposed to watch it.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
It's very very good, Yeah, very very good. And it's
so unique, such a weird story that this so specific
and has like references exactly to the time and to
the studios and things like that, and yet it is
a universal story. Yes, yeah, and then I don't mean
that as a joke. I just realized, but it is.

(55:43):
It is, you know, fucking great film. Okay, excellent answer, Okay,
thank you. What is the film that you could or
have watched the most over and over again?

Speaker 3 (55:54):
I think the one that I'm like that I was
most eager to watch again and do feel like I
have many more or watches in me is get Out, right,
because you're like any movie that has like a big
reveal like that too, but then where every time you
watch it, there's new things that you see, and I
haven't rewatched everything everywhere all at once. I'm sure that

(56:14):
that is such a dense movie that you're like, oh, like,
I could eat for a year on all of the
different things in that movie that I didn't notice the
first time. But with get Out you're just like, I
find myself many years later still thinking about.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Just oh man, that's just so it's.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Just so good and so perfect, Like yeah, every little
piece of it that you don't notice the first time
that you notice the second time you watch it, and
then you think about it and you're like, and it's
also connected to this like incredibly long history of American symbolism,
and it's also has this other meaning that you aren't
thinking about, Like everything is layered with like ten perfect

(56:52):
pancakes of symbolism that you're just yeah, there's just no,
there's nothing wrong with it. It is just so, it's
just so good, and it is just so it's so
rewarding to return.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
To love it perfect. What is We don't like to
be too negative, Emily Heller, because we're not like certain
comedy films from back in the day. However, what's the
worst film you ever seen?

Speaker 3 (57:18):
The movie that I wish I had walked out on
but I couldn't because we were like an hour away
from where we were supposed to be and I couldn't
speak for the group was The Terminal starring Tom Hanks.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Have you seen them?

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I have seen The Terminil. Yes.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
It is so upsetting and so bad and also stars
Diego Luna from Tom jen in such a betrayal of
his sexiness where he plays a character who So the
movie is it's castaway in an airport. It's Tom Hanks
is a man from a sort of fictional Eastern European

(57:53):
country that dissolves while he has a layover, and then
he because he doesn't have citizenship in a real country,
he's not allowed to leave the airport, but he isn't
allowed to go back, and so he lives in the
airport for months and months and forms all of these relationships.
And one of the relationships he forms is with Diego Luna,
who's like a drives one of those like things that

(58:14):
carries old people around the airport. And he's in love
with someone I want to say it's Zoe's Saldanya, who
works at like the counter, but they never speak, and
he sends Tom Hanks to go ask her questions about
herself for her secret admirer, Diego Luna, who she has
never spoken to, And then in fucking act three of

(58:35):
the movie, Tom Hanks walks up to the counter and
puts a ring down, and then it's a smash cut
to them getting married in the airport, having never spoken.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Isn't this a Netflix game show?

Speaker 3 (58:50):
They talk to each other more in love is Blind
than they did in this movie. Wow, and that's the
end of their storyline in that movie.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
It's that's some pretty great questions.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
And it was truly, it was just like, what's your
favorite food? It was like nothing big.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
They're both very fit, though you're missing the part that
they've had all this chance. Will you marry this guy?
She maybe in the bit we didn't see this maskat
She goes, well, can I at least have a look
at him? It's diego Leer and she goes, yeah, okay,
he asked some good questions.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
She should have married Tom Hanks, and then it would
have solved the entire issue of the movie. Oh yes,
he had been allowed to leave the airport?

Speaker 1 (59:33):
How does he leave at the end?

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Got it?

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I can't remember. It doesn't matter. He does leave. I
want to say, maybe they're just like we fixed it.
You're allowed to go like some guy at the airport
who at the beginning didn't like him, but then by
the end has been won over by his charms. And
the whole time he's carrying around some box and you're
supposed to like really care about what's in the box,
and then like it's supposed to be really important, and
then like when he opens it, it's just like a

(59:57):
picture of a baseball team.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
I just I was so fucking mad watching that movie,
and it was like I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Was working at a summer camp in like very far
northern California, and we were on our day off and
we went drove like forty five minutes to the town,
the closest town that had a movie theater, and we
were watching it on our day off, and I was like,
I don't know what else everyone else is vibing, but
like I want to walk out, but I couldn't get
anyone else to like confirm that they would walk out

(01:00:24):
with me. And we were also like, oh god, but
I got to see what's in the box, you know,
Like I stayed to see what's in the box. Really,
like I could have waited in the lobby, but I
was like I got to see what's in the box.
And then I was just like, I'm so mad I
stayed to see what's in the box.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Oh boy, Well, at least it had a happy ending
for that couple. You're in comedy, You're you're a comedian.
As much as you think you've stopped, you haven't. What
film made you love the most?

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Part of First Watch?

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Absolutely lost my goddamn mind at what's up?

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Doc? Never come up on this? Never come up?

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
It is? I don't want to overhype it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Yeah, but it is so bananas and it's so good,
and it is also low key pretty sexy, like if
Barbara streisand at her hottest, it is Ryan O'Neill, like
right after the two of them broke up, but he's
also at his hottest, and it is the character she
is playing in the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
The reason it's called What's Up, Doc?

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Is because they basically based her character on Bugs Bunny, right,
And when you meet her, she's eating a carrot and says,
what's up, Doc? And it culminates in this car chase
scene that was so expensive they would never ever ever
let you do it today. And they did it in

(01:01:43):
a way where it's like they just like rented a
bunch of cards and destroyed them. I do not know
how Peter Bugdanovitch did not go to jail for making
this movie, but it is filmed in San Francisco, which
also very close to my heart. And it's also in
a way a little bit of like you know how
movies used to do like kind of like straight up
ripoffs of other movies from years before, but it was

(01:02:04):
like homages, and we don't really do that anymore. It
was kind of based on bringing up Baby which is
another like farce film which I also watch, but I'm like,
but it's better than Bringing up Baby, and it's just
so stupid and crazy. And it was during the final
like car chase scene where it just kept building and

(01:02:25):
building and building and setting up traps and then not
going into them and like playing with the like jokes
that it was telling you and the characters had been
developed so perfectly at that point that seeing them go
through it was part of the joy of it. But
I was like, I cannot believe I'm not stoned right
now because I am laughing, like I'm stoned.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
I was. I was laughing till I cried at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Wow. Yeah, It's just I can't recommend it enough. It's
such a great movie.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Excellent, you've sewed it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
I really hope, so I really want I want more
people to watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Atley once was it, Emily Hella, you have been an
absolute joy. You have been fascinating and funny and profound,
and I have loved it. And for those of you
listening to the Normal one, I highly recommend the Patriots
section because oh it went deep, really good stuff in there.
But however, when you run an escalator and you thought

(01:03:19):
you saw Barbra streisand from your favorite film, what's up up?
Is that bugs Bunny? Or is that Barbara Streides head?
It turned out it was neither. Your shoelacer untied and
as the escalator reached the top, your shoelaces pulled your
shoes and feet under and your entire skeleton ripped through
the bottom of your feet got sucked out, and your

(01:03:39):
skin sack was left and a person behind you picked
it up, wax it on, stole a load of goods.
I'm walking around with a coffin, you know what I'm like,
And I'm like, why is Emi Heller running out of
this mall with a load of TVs and stuff? And
then the TV's first the floor. They ripped off your
skin and they ran off, and like, oh, I think,

(01:04:01):
I mean the hell is dead. And I go to
the bottom of the escalators and your skeleton is come
round the bottom and it's now churned up through this place.
Look every it's a fucking mess. I say, guys, give
us a hand here. So we're getting hoovers, we're getting
also trying to suck up. Go bring the skin bag
over and I get this. Someone goes can I try it,
and I go for a minute, but then we've got

(01:04:22):
to put it in the coffin, and someone else wants one.
We got to go two more. You have two more guys,
two more people steal stuff dressed as you anyway, finally
get your skin sacking with all the mess. There's a
load of it's a load of goop. It is the stuff,
and a pizza cut of TVs that you couldn't start
as well. There's no room in this coffin. I've jammed
it all in, but there's really no room. There's enough

(01:04:44):
room to slide one DVD in with you. And when
you go across to the other side, it's movie night
every night, and one night it's your movie night. What
film are you taking to show? All the comedians in
comedy Heaven with the meat and the puppies when it
is your movie night? And Hella go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Sound like it hot? Fantastic, Billy Wilder. It's like the
flip side of the coin of Sunset Boulevard.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Yeah, fantastic. It's a fantastic answer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
I mean, it's so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
And then also you're just like looking at Marilyn Monroe
and you're like, that's what it was like to have
a body. I mean, no one has ever looked as
good in a movie as she looks in that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I just don't. I just can't imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
It's there for sure. I watched it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
I like turn and I was like, she's so hot
in this and he was like, yeah, welcome to Marilyn Monroe.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
That's kind of part of her thing. That's sort of
the thing with her. Favouly and Helen, what do we
have to look out for? What's to listen to in
the coming month starring you or written by you?

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
I have started co hosting a Jeopardy podcast, like a
rewatch podcast. It's like a recap podcast. Yeah, we recap,
we cover it likes sort of Me and John Cullen,
fantastic Canadian comedian. The new season of Jeopardy started this week.
We had a six week break, so a new season

(01:06:08):
has started. If you have not been watching Jeopardy, you
can still listen if you want to catch up on
what happened last year on Jeopardy. A lot of actually
genuinely exciting and interesting things happened on Jeopardy last year.
We had We just put out an episode that was
like our best of season forty, and we gave out
awards for things like our favorite anecdotes, the biggest surprises

(01:06:31):
of the year, our favorite responses of the year, things
like that. And I'm trying to make Jeopardy a thing
that people talk about more and watch again because there
actually is genuinely like exciting and interesting things happening. But
it's called and we are the only comedy podcast about
Jeopardy in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
You've got berend starbrity.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Yes, okay, yes we are going to see We're gonna
hug it, have you cook it up? It's called what
is a Jeopardy Podcast?

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
And our new season will we release on Tuesdays and
we cover the previous week, so our next episode will
release on Our first episode of the season will come
out September.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
I don't know. You can do math. You'll just open
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
You'll see Emily Heather. Thank you for doing this. Hasn't
this been a lot of fun?

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
This has been just such a delight. It's so nice
to see you again.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
What a lovely time. Thank you for doing this. I
will stop the recording now. I do hope you have
a wonderful death, and I hope that your Jeopardy. What
is a Jeopardy podcast is as much fun as it sounds.
Loads of loves.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Good day to you, Good day to you as well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
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(01:08:01):
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(01:08:24):
and please be excellent to each other.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Back back up to