June 18, 2025 • 47 mins
LOOK OUT! It’s only Films To Be Buried With! A REWIND CLASSIC!
Join your host Brett Goldstein as he talks life, death, love and the universe with amazing actor HAROLD PERRINEAU!
This Rewind is from September 18th 2023, originally episode 264, a really enjoyable and very fun time with Harold. Below is the original writeup:
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This one's such a goodie, not only of course for the reason that Harold is a proper acting treasure who's presence you will have known in a bunch of his filmography (scope the IMDB for more on that - Lost, Oz, more!), but also because - well, we'll leave it to you to find out. No spoilers. But it makes for a really exciting and fizzy one this week, as Harold handles the task in hand with excellent and of course, you get to hear so much about his on screen work and off screen life. A pure pleasure - one for your immediate enjoyment so listen with confidence!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look out.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
It's only Films to be Buried with It's rewind classic season. Hello,
(00:49):
dearest Films to be Buried With crew. My name is
Buddy Peace. I am a producer and editor, a DJ
and music maker, a sidewalk server, and for intro and
outro purposes, i'm temper really standing in for your regular
host and proud creator of this podcast, mister Brett Goldstein.
Regular new episodes will return shortly, but for now, this
is a really cool chance to re up on some
(01:10):
old magic. As Neil Young once said, I went to
the radio interview, but I ended up alone at the microphone. Neil,
you wrote this in nineteen seventy four. Give it forty years, mate,
We'll get you a podcast with you and three dudes
sitting on a sofa.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Every week Britain invites a guest on, he tells them
they've died, and then he talks to them about their
life through the medium of film. However, this week we
are revisiting an earlier episode of the podcast while Brett
recharges the podcast batteries and retreats to the fortress of
solitude for a moment or two. In this bridge between seasons,
This rewind is from September sixth, twenty twenty three, originally
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episode two hundred and sixty four, featuring the incredible actor
Harold Perrino. One thing that Brett started to realize later
on in this episode was that Harold had not received
the home work, which allows a little prep time for
some prompts. But what transpires is that Harold is a
genuine maestro at this thing and it makes for some
delightful listening. The video version for Patreons is true added
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value too, and it's a joy to see his face
go on a journey in this one. I will take
this opportunity to also remind you that Brett has a
Patreon page for the podcast, upon which you get a
whole new section on every episode containing a secret from
each guest, more questions, and a video of each episode
which looks very nice and very fresh. So if you
are of a supporting nature and feel like some extras
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from this show, you will find them all there. So
that is it for now. Let's get you settled in
for a wonderful episode with the brilliant Harold Pero. Catch
you at the end for a quick sign off, But
for now, please enjoy this flashback to episode two hundred
and sixty four of Films to Be Buried.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
With Let's get It.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Hello, and welcome to Films to Be Buried With. It
is me at Goldstein, and I am joined today by
an inmate, an islander, a superhero, a vampire hunter.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
A red blue red pillar, a devil, a biker, a hero,
a legend, a best bit in one of the all
time great films.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And I can't believe he's here. Will you please welcome
to the show. It's the brilliant it's mister Harold Berno.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I feel like I should clap for myself.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You should, Hello, Harold, how are you?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I'm really good.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I'm good, But how are you? I'm good?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's very nice to me.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I was going through your you quite an unusual your
list of things you've done. You are in You've got
quite the fucking You're the like al Pacino of TV,
like you're your signal. You are in the most at
least four of the most significant things that have been made,
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you know what I mean like? And I was thinking
it wasn't us the first HBO show.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
It's the first keyble dramatic show period.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You're the very first scene, don't you It starts yeah,
so yeah, yeah, you kicked it off, began the golden
ative television.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It's literally you show literally me.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, you did Us, and then you did Last which
is the biggest network show. And you're you're you're the
best in Romeo and Juliet and you're fucking Blade and
you're in the matrix s.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
You've got an eye crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I've been lucky, man. Well, you're either very very lucky
or you've got very good taste and you've got a
good eye for it.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
I'm really I'm really really lucky, man, I'm lucky. I
wouldn't they could take credit for all that really.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, Because also I was thinking with your listen, like
that's a lot of pressure because you go from like
a show defining show like oh, and you go, well,
I can imagine you think, well, I'll never do anything
is sort of defining, is that? And then you do
fucking Lost and you're like, okay, well I never do
you know what I mean? He just kept going.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
That's really true. Like I didn't.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I certainly didn't think about that when we like when
we did OZ yeah, the first the first season, I
thought like, oh, now, my career is over because it
was so wild. It was so like we were doing such
wild stuff. I was like, oh man, that's it. We're
not gonna work anymore. We're just gonna be here in
New York. Well it was nice while it last. And
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then when Lost came around JJ abrams his office, they
presented it like, hey, it's just like working for Tom Fontana,
like he likes to keep it in the family. And
I was like, okay, so this is maybe gonna be wild,
but my career again is going to be up in
the air.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Is that what that means?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And then it turned out being really really groovy, So yeah,
it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
What was what was the time? I mean, you've had
it for so long, but like Lost was, I mean
it still is, but when it was on, it was
the biggest shine in the world, right as in the
most talked about this kind of it was one of
the few cultural phenomenon uns and like, yeah, what was
that like for you in your sort of regardless of
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how it was to make it when you just walk
in the streets living your life. Was it difficult or
was it great?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
No, it was it was amazing. It was really for me.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
It was one of the biggest you know, Romeo and
Juliet stuff was good. The Matrix movies were good, but
I say that, but like they weren't good.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
The very first Matrix.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Was It just changed the whole world, like everything was
different after that. And then the second two Matrix movies
they were good, but they weren't like they didn't have
the same impact as the first one, right, yeah, like
the first one really did a thing, And so until
last I hadn't experienced anything that was so phenomenal and
lost really like when people were like, oh, you can
do that on Network TV and bands were loving it
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and people like that's Walt's dad. I was like, oh wow,
this is this is wild. And so it really did
change the game. And I was super proud of it,
Like I wanted to get us all and I did.
I should have done it, you know. And here in America,
when me graduate from high school, we get these like
high school rings, right, these like gold rings like super
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Bowl rings.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, kind of like super Bowl rings.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
And I kind of wanted to get it for our
whole cast because you know, it didn't even feel like working.
It was such an experience, like all of our lives
were so intertwined on this island where we were doing
this show, like sequestered away from the rest of the
world and we were just doing this show that was,
you know, just a phenomenon. And so I really regret
that I didn't get those rings because that first season was, honestly,
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I feel like some of the best television I had
ever seen.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
In my life.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Like, I just thought it was amazing, the way our
cast look, the way the writing was, the directing, like,
I just thought it was some of the best TV.
I didn't even want to do TV actually, and when
we did that, I was like, oh shit, oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
kind of I want to do this kind of wild TV.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah like this, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
How was it with We've Lost Something I Lost? IL
is wonder like the making of it because it's such
a big it's a big ensemble show. But it also,
unlike say most sitcoms, it was often We've Lost each
character had their own turn, right, you had like it
was your episode and it would mostly be you and
there'd be scenes with everyone. But then if you'd had
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your episode, you probably wouldn't be used much for a
few episodes. And so I wondered, like your your working life, like,
was it very sporadic? Were you like sometimes I have
a whole week, I'm not doing anything and and I'm
in Hawaii on this island, or.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Well, well not really the first season, Like in the
first season, we would have days where we didn't didn't work,
but pretty much because you're really building the world at
the time, so you were always always back on the
island with everybody. So that very first season, it wasn't
that much of a breakup in time.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
We didn't have like time off, like weeks or anything
like that, even though we had that giant cast.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
In the second season, it started to change a little
bit more, you know what I mean, Well, you'd have
a little bit more time off or Yeah, in the
second season, I remember having like weeks off and like
I left the island and went back to la and
like just like weeks off. It was really it was
really wild and I'm just growing this crazy furry beard,
you know.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
It was.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It was definitely different the second season.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
But yeah, the first season, we were all there just
working and working all the time.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Kind of were you if you I mean, maybe you
wouldn't tell me if this wasn't the case. But were
you as a group as a crew, were you all
close to each other? Were you all aware, God, we're
making this thing that's fucking special and it matters well,
how much was that ego problems and it's such a
big cast, or how much of you were like we
were a gang.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Again that first season, we really were a gang because
it was all so new to everybody.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Some people it was their first job ever.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Some people had done job, but this hadn't had a
phenomenon show like this, So that very first season, really
we were all quite close. That was still the season
where if it were Evangeline's episode, we'd all congregated at
Evangeline's house to watch the episode. This Fox Fox's episode,
we go to Foxy's house and watch the episode. Mine
to say, so, we really really did it, And then
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you know, shit changed a little. Then second seem that
it got a little was a little different, but you
know that's just the nature of the beast, so you
know it went.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
But still here's the things.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
At the end of the day, Still I feel like
those are I feel so close to all those folks.
There's not a person on that show who I feel like, Oh,
I never want to see that person again, or like
like I really like actually missed them.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I missed that time in Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I miss having my kids in Hawaii, and my kid
at the time I.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Only have one.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Yeah, man, the whole thing was really kind of it
was really special. Again, it didn't feel while it felt
like a job, it felt like a life event.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
It's so much it really took your whole being to
be there.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Like my whole family moved there, we bought a house there,
like everything we did was in Hawaii, and it was
just it was a giant shift in my whole life.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, that's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I totally. I think there were a few There are
a few things I think like friends like last like
shows like that where it's you all went through something together,
and you know what I mean, like as in it's
very it must be incredibly bunding forever. Yeah, I'm sure
most of it's very positive and wonderful, but it's also
this fucking intense you have this worldwide phenomenon and experience it.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I was saying this to somebody recently.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
We were talking about like all the different jobs, and
I likened it to listening to what some fight I
like watching boxing and mixed martial arts and stuff like that,
and fighters are like you know when you go into
a ring each time you kind of lose a piece
of yourself, but you kind of gain a piece of
the person you're fighting, you know what I mean. Like
you're like there's something where your spirits bond. And that's
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what I feel about like every job, Like you know,
there's something that you kind of lay it out there
and you leave a piece of yourself there, but you
also gain a bit of like this thing with this
whole group of people that you carry with you forever.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
At least it feels like it's gonna be forever right now.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
I don't know, maybe you know, I get Alzheimer's and
I forget all this shit.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I don't know, not to happen books at.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
All, Timer's but you know, right now, I feel like
each job, but like I carry a bit of that
with me, and there's a bit of myself I left
over there, like you know, that's on film for the
world to see it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
It feels like that for me.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And what about if I can go back to the
very beginning of it, like when you did us that's
all men, you're in a prison. It was like six years?
Was it us six seven years?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yep? Six years?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And when that ended, were you relieved? Were you said?
Was it mixed? Like? Was that a good funding time?
Where you claims that's such a strange show, it's fucking brilliant,
But you're right, it's very extreme. There's so much it's
very extreme show. Yeah, man, do you know what you've
left and what you took from that?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
So you know, one of the things about ours is
that we had a real mix of people. We had
a real mix of artists, right, actors and there we
actually had a bunch of the early UFC guys, mixed
martial artists and people who whose life was their art.
You know, Chuck Zito was this dude who I don't
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know if you know Chuck, you know, but he had
this whole life as a as a biker guy. I
don't want to call out what his whole life was.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
You know, it's a lot of people that are really
really interesting in the whole world.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
So we had a bunch of folks like that, right,
And we all were in there and sometimes doing the
most horrific shit to each other.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
But because we all trusted each other, you could.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
You could have a fight with a dude, and having
a fight or losing a fight, even a fake fight
kind of hurts your ego a little.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
But then to like have like lose.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
A fake fight and have a guy throw you in
the desks and then fuck you like that, you know
what I mean, like literally like pull your pants down
and like you know that shit?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Is that that shit that that fucks at your brain?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (14:03):
And we could all do that with each other and
then go out later that night and just you know,
party like like nothing happened, like And so for me,
I gained this kind of this this spirit of like
working with people like this, the spirit of working in
a group and like leaving my ego like at the
door and being willing to you could do any fucking
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thing to me that you wanted to because of OZ
because I know that if I could get through that,
I can get through any I can't imagine somebody could
throw something at me that I couldn't get through.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And so that's what I that's what I take.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
So I take that with me and I leave that
like I also could do anything, you know what I mean,
Like I could come up with as much crazy shit
as you can, and so I can hear my I
can hear my voice change even as I talk about it.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
It's a just a wild time, man, really really wild time.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
What a great group of guys, Man, great group of
guys and some ladies too, Eadie Falco, Yeah, Lauren Blez
and Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Freedom of Reno was there, Freedom Moreno was their player.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
We had a great time.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
We had a great time.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It was really good. Well, I I forgot to tell
you something that I should have said at the beginning. Well,
I'm sad to say. No, I'll just have to watch
my language. No, no, no, no, no, it's it's that you've died.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
You're dead.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
You're dead in life number, You're dead.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You're dead.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Oh damn it.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
You shouldn't let me know. I should have.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I absolutely should have remembered.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
How did you listen?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
What?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
What a legacy you leave? So? No? Man? How how
did you die?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
How would you like to die? How would I like
to die?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
How did I die? There?
Speaker 6 (15:48):
It's up to you listen. Like any other person, I'd
like to live along, live a long life. Mark King said,
But you know, if I die, I want to be either.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Quick or peacefully, but spectacular.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
No, I don't want it to be I needed to
be spectacular, spectacular life.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
But in odds I wound up getting shanked by somebody.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Who who's as revenge shanking and uh and I, you know,
just die in the arms of my prison pops.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, but how would how would you like to die
in this life? In your real life? It would be
your dream death.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, man, And in my real life.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
See listen, that's changed, right, many many times, many times.
And when I was younger and I didn't have kids,
you know, I did want it to be spectacular. I
wanted it to be big and fast. And you know,
I love motorcycles. And if I could die like Jacks
did on on Sons of Anarchy, just ride my bike
into a mac truck, I would.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
When I was when I was younger, because it's just
like would be wild and big and fast.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
But you know, now that I have kids, at the
end of the day, I'd like to see them them
grow up and and see that they're leading a spectacular life.
And then at that point, if you know, a house
just fell down on me because I live in la
and there was a great and a tub just fell,
you know, from the ceiling smashed my head.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I can do that, like in the money pit, like
you were underneath that.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Okay, great, Like.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
What do you worry about?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Death?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Is something you worry about? I don't know why not.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I feel like if I worry about death, I feel
like that I missed with what I'm doing in my life.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (17:38):
If I'm worried about like how this might, if I'm
so future projected, then then I'm not paying attention to
what I'm doing right now.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
And I have a lot of ship that I like
to pay attention to.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Like I said, man, you can I don't know if
you have kids, but I can't express to you the
kind of love I have for these human beings and
just wanting to be around to do what I can
to like you know, I'll show them into some really
great adulthood. And so like if I'm worried about how
I die, and I'm going to be missing that, and
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I don't want to miss that.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So that's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Now. That's nice. Like I don't even want to go
to work sometimes because I just want to watch. But
like I.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Got, they have to eat.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I need to eat.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So I gotta get to work.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
What do you think, What do you think happens when
you die? Do you believe it enough to life?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, there are so many possibilities.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
I really do believe that matter doesn't end and it
just transforms, you know what I mean. And so these
ideas of reincarnation and stuff like that, I think in
my head are probably really really real. I've said this
to my wife and stuff like that. And you ever
walk down the street and you're just walking in you
and somebody like look at each other, just briefly at
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the same time.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
You don't know why, you just keep moving.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
My head somewhere it feels like matter recognizing that they've
been together at some point, like oh hey, and then
they just keep going. I just think it changes forms.
You ever connect with like an animal that for no
reason you're like, oh, I love that one. Or my
daughter used to have this dog and I fucking hated
I hated this dog, and a dog hated me.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And the time the dog showed up hating this motherfucker
and he hated me too.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
And so like, yeah, yeah, something it's like a matter
thing and some in my head, like there's just this
constant rotation of matter within you know, this little blue
ball that we live that's you know, until that blue
ball goes somewhere that we're all just kind of like
shifting and changing and doing things.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And so that's kind of what I think, but I
like it. Yeah, Well, before you transmute into a dog
you hate, there is a there is a heaven. There's
a stop. You get to stop for a bit.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
In heaven.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
You're very weapon there and have is filled with your
favorite thing. What's your favorite thing outside of my kids? Yeah,
I mean, I'm not going to lie to you.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
I really love acting because I feel freer in acting
quite often than I do in my whole life. I
feel free to make any choices I want based on
the given parameters, the circumstances, and in those parameters, I
feel super free in a way that I don't feel
in life. Like every time I curse here, there's a
voice in my head goes, you probably shouldn't courage.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
On this podcast, people are going to do like there's.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Always something, But when I'm acting, I don't have I
don't have that voice at all.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I just kind of do stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
And it's one of my favorite things to do in
the world, like between action and cut my favorite favorite
time of the day, or like when lights go up
on the show, when me go in my favorite times.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Well, when you get to Heaven, I'll tell you what
it is. It's a series of rooms. Some are set,
some stages, and in every room it's a different part
for you to play. And it's all the parts you
ever wanted to play. And you walk in the room,
you know the line, and they say action or the
lights come up. It's fucking great. Everyone's very excited to
see you, but they want to talk to you about
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your life through film, and the first thing they ask
you is what is the first film you remember seeing?
Howard Perrin my head, I feel like it's Sounder with
Cicily Tyson, like when I was a little little guy.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
I feel like like the first film I remember was
like watching with my parents.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
They used to have like a mattress that just sat
on the floor.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We'd look up and watch TV.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Sounder feels like one of the first ones that must
have made some sort of impact on me. Yeah, I
must have seen something before them, but that's kind of
the first thing I can think of right now.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And where was this?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Was this in La. Did you grab in La?
Speaker 7 (21:44):
Now?
Speaker 8 (21:44):
I grew up in Brooklyn, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
I grew up in a project called Cypress Hills, so yeah,
yeah yeah. So in twelve ten and three, a I
remember sitting in that back room watch a sounder on
the TV.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
What about being scared? What's the film that scared you
the most? Do you like being scared? I don't like
being scared.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
The film that scared me the most, and I didn't
even see it, was The Exorcist.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
My dad and my mom.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Went to the movies to see The Exorcist, and I
was so excited when they got back because I was like,
I'm gonna go see this movie and they were like, no,
you're not, so what I have to see this movie
that Like, Nope, absolutely not. And then I watched my
dad for weeks be terrified in our own house.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Now, for me, my dad is.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Just like he's my dad, he's the strongest guy I know,
but he's terrified, wow, because of the Exorcist.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
And I was like, oh, hell, what happened to that movie? Oh.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
At that point I was like no, no, no, no, no, no,
If you could scare him like that.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
No no, no, no, no no no no no no no no.
I'm okay. I thought I wanted to see it. I
don't want to see it.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
And I don't think I saw the Exorcist until I
was in my twenties, and you know, by then technology changed,
Like that's.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
What fucked my dad up?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Do you are you and only child? Do you have siblings?
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Did you say I'm the oldest, Well, they're actually my
dad has.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Five sons and so I'm the oldest of the.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Five old boys?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Oh boys, Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting. You went
from old boys to doing Osbich's Old Boys.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
You old boys?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, I live with girls.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, very binary.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
N I'm glad. I'm glad you let me know that
I'm dead.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
So now I know how to answer these questions. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Oh yes, all right, I should have told you. It's mindful.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
What what about crying? What's the film that made you cry? Thedvice?
Do you cry?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
You're crying?
Speaker 6 (23:46):
I do cry. I cry one more now than I
than I used to. One of my favorite films, and
it made me cry. It's COOLi High. You ever see
Coolie High? What's COOLIEI Glenn about these these kids in
the inner city. Glenn Turman is a a young guy
who wants to be a writer at the end of
the day, and they're just like they're in high school.
It's their last year of high school, and they're just
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doing things that kids could do. There's a Glenn Turman
plays a character called Preach and he's like smart and
funny but not cool. And his best friend is co
Cheese played by Lawrence I forgot Laurence his last name,
but he's like a basketball player and he's just the
coolest guy in the whole school.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And they go somewhere doing the thing.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
They go on this joy ride with some friends that
they meet and it turns out that there's two guys
that are joy riding with them stole the car and
they have to get out of the car and run
and the police catch them. And they don't say anything
to the police about you know, who they were with
or anything.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
But the two.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Guys get caught and they think, oh, they snitched on us,
and so they kill CoA Chiese.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
They beat him to death. It's a horrific scene.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
And then Glenn Turman is under an l trained crying,
wake up good. And I remember that moment like the
first first moment I cried. And I was sitting next
to my cousin. His name is dollar Bill, that's what
they call him in.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
The streets, and dollar Bill was crying crying. I was
like it was.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
It was also the film that changed my perspective about
like I was wast Glenn Turnman, I was like, I could.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Be an actor. I could.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
He looks like me.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
He looks like me, Like I could, like like an
older version of me. I could do this. And that
was I got to work with him years later and
uh and tell him that I had that moment. But
that's the first film that made me cry. It's cooly high.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Did you and dollar Bill talk about it when he
came out? Or did you pretend nothing had ever happened?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Absolutely pretended nothing ever happened. Yo.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Man, that was good, right, That was a That was
a good movie.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yo. When I motherfucker killed Coaches, I was mad.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I was laughing. I was laughing.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It was funny. To this day, we haven't spoken about it.
He's gonna be furious. I dare you tell that I was.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Loving? I told you I was, and I was I
was crying, what what? What is the film that you
love that is critically not acclaimed. Most people don't like it,
but you're like, you're all idiots. This film is the best.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Some really cool questions here, my friends, really really cool question.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I wish I'd been prepared for this. I mean, it's
occurring to me you won't send the homework. But that's okay,
because I have to say, you're handing in it beautifully.
What a great yes, and back to you. You're just ready.
We're between that and cut and you're figuring it out.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
The film that highlighted not critically acclaimed, but I think
a lot of people don't, even people I grew up
with didn't didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I used to love and sitting around watching those great
old musicals.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
And there is a musical called seven Brides for seven brothers, brothers.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
God, I think that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
And Russ Tamblin is in that movie.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
But you know I love Russ Hamblin from West Side Story.
Uh well, I loved it from originally. I also also
love his Donna Amber, she's great, but just Tamblin is
ripped and seven brides or seven Brothers, I think it
was pretty critical acclaimed, but I couldn't believe that was
the same guy. And I would imagine that a lot
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of people that I grew up with I wouldn't believe that.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Like every time that thing was.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
On, I would sit around watching it doing like the
dancers that they did in the Boots, Ross Hamblin, doing
all the acrobatic stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
And so my question is, did do Bill know that
you were watching it?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Absolutely not. Again, you don't talk about crying or musicals. Yeah,
what's that?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
What's that music coming from the living room?
Speaker 9 (27:59):
Nothing breaking, it's the radios on the road. What about
what about a film that you used to love?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You used to love it, and then you've watched it
recently and you've got no, I don't like this anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Maybe because you changed.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Oh man, I was recently watching It's really funny.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I was.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
I was watching Sorry Eddie, I was watching Coming to America.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, and I thought I was going to show it
to my kids. I thought they were gonna love it.
And then I watched it. I was like, oh wait,
this is terrible.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
A second one, I know, it's like their accents are
all over the place, and like it's it's like, I mean,
Eddie is funny, and he's really funny. Halls, it's funny,
but like the script is terrible and there's a bunch
of great actors and that I love it.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
It's terrible, It's it's just bad man.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
One.
Speaker 10 (28:55):
I was like, oh wow, so don't kill me, you guys.
But yeah, it was a just recently. Recently answers made
me stressed. I'm gonna have to cut this out.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
It was lovely me. What's okay? Because he's dead.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
He's dead, they said at the beginning. Don't he's already dead.
I killed him.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
What's what's the film that means the most to you?
Not necessarily the film itself is good, but the experience
you had around seeing the film will always make it,
especially when for you like it could be the first day.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Well again, I'm going to go back to Coolie Hide.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
It's the first time like I considered actually being an actor,
and I felt like I could see not only myself,
my neighborhood, culturally, like all these things that like I
just took for granted that I saw up on a
film and realized that, you know, you could share that
with the world. That was amazing because before Cooley High.
My favorite film was West Side Story and I just
the Sharks and the Jets and I just loved it.
(30:03):
Like I said, Russ Tamblin, and I love a West
Side Story. I would just watch it every every time
it came on. So those two films are two my
favorite films ever. If they come on, I just stopped
when watch I just I can't help it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
West Side Story?
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Were you?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Was that like your secret favorite film of all time?
For a long time?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Actually not even so much of a secret most of
my life.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
If you would have asked me, like.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
What's your favorite film on the West Side Story and
people go, really, yep, it's fun. So then working with
Rita Moreno for it was a total mind bend. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
do you like the new one? Have you seen the
new one?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I do like the new one. Spielberg's a genius.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I think Spielberg can do anything like he you know,
it's so good, it's so good.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. I do.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I mean I love the original because that's that's it's
in my heart.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
But Spielberg is he's just he really is a mastercrafts
and the like if you watch it film.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, He's just a matter.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
It's funny how I think everyone with that West that
story went into it like, oh God, here we go,
this is gonna be bad, and then you watch it
you go, oh, yeah, Spielbag's a fucking amazing filmmaker.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Why did we have a doubt?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Wrong? Are we thinking? Yeah, it's Spilbags, He's very good?
What about Well? I worry this is maybe the same answer.
But the next question is what's the film you most
relate to? Do you have any others?
Speaker 6 (31:31):
It's interesting I love film a lot, and when I
had more time to see film, you could ask me
about any film and I would have like a whole
analysis of it. And just you know, like I said,
the last twenty or so years, because of the kids,
I don't I don't have analysis. I'm watched my kids,
and so my analysis of films is just less. And
(31:53):
so like as I'm as I'm searching through my memory,
there are lots of films, I'm like, God, I wish
I would have been in the film, but I don't
have the chops.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
What's the film? What's Lenny? What's your name? Yeah, they're
talking about the dog.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
The dog has got the squeaking toy this much?
Speaker 6 (32:09):
What is that? I think it's a is it Brad Pitt?
And are they all in that movie? Lock Stock, barrels? Snatch?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Might be? Might be?
Speaker 7 (32:23):
I remember, God, I wish I could have done that
film because they're so fucking great and now it's so
macho and like just filled with the stosterone and you
know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
That's interesting, dog, don't all right?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
The next the next two questions are going to be
you you haven't been prepared to. Just please understand that
these are always the questions. The next question is what
is the sexiest film you've ever seen?
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Back in the day, I would have said that film
with Mickey Rourke and Kim Basinger.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Nine and a half weeks.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Yeah, I would have said that, Yeah, because I think
Kim Basinger may be the sexiest woman on the film
I've ever seen. I think it's a really sexy film.
That's a long time ago, I know, And in order
to not be you know, crazy horn dog around my kids,
I don't see that many sexy films lately.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
You know, there's a lot of cartoons animated, which, which
which brings me to my which brings me to the
sub category question, which is traveling, bonds, worrying. Why don't
a film you found arousing that you weren't sure you
should might have been one of these animated ones.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
If I was like, you know, encounter just gets me going,
I'd be like.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
That big sister, she's so No, it's nothing about her
being in prison.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
What a voice?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
A voice? A film that I found a rousing, but
I didn't expect it to be. And then and certainly
there been a.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Bunch of them, Bese Moir, do you ever see bee More?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Oh my god, that's your answer. That's a heck of
an answer. That is a heck of an answer, because
there was something about it. It's like, could I have
been on that set? Could I have done that job
like that? These more?
Speaker 6 (34:29):
I remember seeing that oh ship that Yeah, I remember
seeing that and I didn't think I was I thought
it was going to be exploited and I was like whatever,
But I was more roused than I expected to be.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well, you've you very much answered the question, and thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
The next.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
End of interview, I got it.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
We're gonna take something.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Really quick. What film objectively is the greatest film of
all time? Now? It might not be your favorite. This
is more if Aliens came and they said, show me
the pinnacle of cinema, what is it? Everybody's gonna hate me?
Really are? I like the Adventures? Endgame?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I'm not gonna hate you for that. I mean people
like it. I mean we do all these superhero movies.
That's sucking great. That's a very impressive film. Yeah, it's impressive.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
All those actors, all that cgi they go, they come
back and I'm Iron Man, snap, like, come on, come
on movie.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
It gets gets all the moments.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
It's it's superheroes and you get all the moments when
Peter Parker shows up again.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah, let's a dark. Let's a dark. I'm gonna have
to go with Endgame. If that is your truth, you
must speak it.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
It's a great film. It's really impressive. Yeah, an endgame?
When does Peter Parker come back?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
And endgame? Endgame is the end? Right? Is where they
will come through the portals? Yes?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
And they all come through the portals? Right, that's exactly right, right, endgame?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Greatest movie ever? Lovely, What is the film you could
or have watched the most over and over again story?
I think so?
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Right and back in the day when we didn't have streaming,
that would probably be true, but now you can stream things.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I just watched Spielberg.
Speaker 8 (36:27):
There is you know what I could watch but I
haven't watched over and over again, but I could watch
it going that movie Pig.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Do you see this movie with fucking great? Isn't Pig
a great fucking film?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
What a great film?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I watched it. I watched it quite a few times,
like I go like, let me see that again. What's
Nick Cage doing in this? What's he doing?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
And then and then the young kid.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
Who plays like the son of the antagonist, that kid
I don't know his name.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Just fucking marvelous, just marvelous work. That's such a unique film.
There's nothing really like Pig. And and when you see
the trailer, the premise of it is like John is
John Wick. It's John Wick with a pick like you took,
and you think it's going to be like a shoot
him up, And it's this fucking profound, rising film about grief.
(37:17):
It's syncredible. It's such a weird, wonderful film.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
It really really is.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
And they really use like the Cage in that way
because you're constantly expecting, oh, the underground thing with it off.
This is where it's going to happen. Okay, he just
got slapped around. It's so big And I watched it
a bunch of times. I could keep watching it. I
like it a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
And the scene with the chef when he when he
goes to that restaurant that's sort of mainstream restaurant with
the artist chef and he gets that speech. I'm like,
there's also a film about film and critics, and right right,
I love it. I love it all right, let's not
be too negative there. But he is the worst film
(38:02):
you ever saw.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
Oh this is That's a that's a hard one because
sometimes you just turn them off. You stop while you
get up and leaves. Uh. Back in the day, he's
just like, man, I'm getting out of here. What a
hell am I doing? And there have been a couple,
you know what I think. Here's the thing. I thought
the performance was really great by the lead actor, Adam Driver.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
But I fucking hated the movie.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
It's the movie where he has the it's him and Marianne.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Oh you yes, And I hate that movie.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
But he's but I kept watching it because he's so good.
He's so like he's really. I mean, he's working, he's
working so hard with the movie. Is like they just
didn't do him any favors. It wasn't fair.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I feel like for how hard he was working.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Everyone's working. Everyone is fully committed in that film, even
the doll the dog is full committed.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Well, they committed, but I feel like they got let
down and then the film months of being It's just
not one of my favorites, but I was fascinated, Like
I wanted to turn it off, but I just kept watching. Yeah,
I just kept watching Adam Driver and he he really
is great.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
He's the real deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's really great.
But sorry about that. You deserve better, I know. I
know so many people who hate that film.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
It's so mad.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah, every five minutes you're like, what why, why? Why
would you? Why? Are we okay?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
All right now hang it a little. It's great.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Yeah. Now what about humor? What's the film that made
you laugh the most?
Speaker 6 (39:52):
There may be some recently that made me laugh away.
I remember, way back in the day. I remember watching
this movie Liar Liar with Jim Carrey.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Yeah, yeah, I love it, and I remember just laughing
my ass off because he thought he was so funny
and then crying at the end with he's trying to
get his kid back, and so it was really really great.
So A Liar Liar is just one of those films
that I thought like, oh wow, this is you know,
he was such a big star and you just felt like,
I mean whatever, it's gonna be fine.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
But I remember like out loud, just like laughing out
loud a lot in Liar Liar. I'm trying to think
of a more recent film that I found hysterical like that,
but I can't. I can't think of one just yet.
But Liar Liars are good one. Oh you know what
I can there's that Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy. I'm gonna
be redeemed Eddie Murphy. Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy. That film
(40:39):
is great. But Eddie Murphy, bow Finger, Bow Finger.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I remember being in this theater.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
I went to see that movie like five times, just
laughing my ass off. This is both of them, like
at the height of being great, Eddie going to get coffee.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
But it's a great it's.
Speaker 6 (41:06):
A great both fingers, really awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Franks directed it great.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Love it, yeah, love it. Yeah, that's one right now.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Listen Harold Perrino, you have been wonderful, especially wonderful given
you didn't know what this was. However, however, when you again, no, no, no,
when you were in your you're in your house, there
was an earthquake. You thought, I'll move over here, I'll
be safe. And you stood underneath and the floor above
(41:38):
you was Shelley Long and Tom Hanks pouring some water
into a bar. And the bath fell through the roof
straight on top of you, and you was crushed to death.
I was walking along with a coffin, you know what,
And I said, is anyone's seen Harold? And they go, yeah,
I think he's under the bath, And I'm like, oh God,
And I lift up the bath. Your you're flapned, crushed
(41:59):
into the floorboard. I'm having to scrape you out, get bits.
There's bits of wood, bits of ceramics. Smashing you up.
To get an axe, chop me up. Put all the
bits of you I can in the coffin. There's more
of you than I was expected. It's absolutely packed in there.
There's only enough room in this coffin just for me
to slide one DVD into the side for you to
take across to the other side, and on the other side,
(42:19):
it's movie night every night. What film are you taking
to show the actors in heaven when it is your
movie night?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
In act to heaven? Apparently that's a good one. Me
and all my ceramical bits.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
What movie am I taking me to show the actors
in heaven?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I am really unprepared for this day. I gotta be asked.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
You've winged it so well.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
I'm gonna have to go back to Coolie High. This
is for the brothers who are in here. When he
pours the liquor on the grave of a Coolie High
and this saying how do you are say goodbye? I'm
gonna say I have COOLi High with me right in
the pocket. Right in the pocket, I take Cooly High. Yeah,
that was just horold. You been an absolute delight before
(43:14):
we say goodbye? Is there and you would like to
tell people to look out for, to watch for, to
listen to coming up in your life. Well, I'll tell
you this this interview. I want you guys to watch
this because this is a This was a feat brother.
You actually you had me actually on my feet this whole.
You know, I am even more of a fan now.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
You right, you at you.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
You you just you interview with a kind of grace
and smart and like, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I just want people to listen to this except my kids.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah, definitely not your kids.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
I don't want them to hear about the Master Beings. No, listen, man,
I want people to check out. I have that you
TV show on now called From I think it's really
really great. Yeah, yeah, it's it's built this horror, but
I think that it's more like a suspense thriller. It
has elements, it feels a little like Lost, it feels
(44:12):
a lot like Lost, but we actually have answers for
the end. But I'm really really proud of it. It's
on MGM plus and I would love people to check
it out. I'm sure by the time that this gets edited,
you'll have both seasons.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
We have two.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Seasons one and two.
Speaker 6 (44:29):
There'll be an MGM plus probably on Amazon or something
like that, and so I would love people to check
that out because I think it's I think it's really special.
I think we have a really special cast, and I
think it's very cool. It's really good writing and stuff
for especially in a horror genre. You might think what
the hell, but I actually think.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, excellent.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
All right, everyone checked that out and Harold, you've been excellent.
I hope you have a wonderful good day to right.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
That was awesome and I know, and I was going
to go through this, I would, I would my screen
some more. Hey you soccer, this is so fun and
so smart.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
And you're a beast, my friend, a beast, just to killer.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
So that was a rewind classic with Harold Perano. Be
sure to check out the Patreon page at patreon dot
com slash Brett Goldstein where you get extra chat and
video and otherwise. If you fancy leaving a note on
Apple podcasts, that would be lovely too, and highly appreciate it.
But make it a review of your favorite film, a
much more fun way to get involved and much more
(45:39):
interesting to read for everyone else too. Thank you so
much to Harold for greatness and presence on the podcast.
Thanks to Screvious PI and the Distraction Pieces Network, thanks too.
And this is where Brett gives me a shout out
for editing and producing the podcast, So I say, thanks Brett,
It's a pleasure. Thanks to iHeartMedia and will Fare All
Big Money Players Network for hosting it thanks to Adam
Richardson for the graphics needs Alden for the photography. Season
(46:02):
nine is simmering and bubbling away in the kitchen as
we continue on a little between season Bridge. But that
is it for now. Brett and I and all of
us have films to be buried with. I hope you're
all very well in the meantime, have a lovely week,
take some deep breaths, and now more than ever, be
excellent to each other.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Si
Look out.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
It's only Films to be Buried with It's rewind classic season. Hello,
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dearest Films to be Buried With crew. My name is
Buddy Peace. I am a producer and editor, a DJ
and music maker, a sidewalk server, and for intro and
outro purposes, i'm temper really standing in for your regular
host and proud creator of this podcast, mister Brett Goldstein.
Regular new episodes will return shortly, but for now, this
is a really cool chance to re up on some
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old magic. As Neil Young once said, I went to
the radio interview, but I ended up alone at the microphone. Neil,
you wrote this in nineteen seventy four. Give it forty years, mate,
We'll get you a podcast with you and three dudes
sitting on a sofa.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Every week Britain invites a guest on, he tells them
they've died, and then he talks to them about their
life through the medium of film. However, this week we
are revisiting an earlier episode of the podcast while Brett
recharges the podcast batteries and retreats to the fortress of
solitude for a moment or two. In this bridge between seasons,
This rewind is from September sixth, twenty twenty three, originally
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episode two hundred and sixty four, featuring the incredible actor
Harold Perrino. One thing that Brett started to realize later
on in this episode was that Harold had not received
the home work, which allows a little prep time for
some prompts. But what transpires is that Harold is a
genuine maestro at this thing and it makes for some
delightful listening. The video version for Patreons is true added
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value too, and it's a joy to see his face
go on a journey in this one. I will take
this opportunity to also remind you that Brett has a
Patreon page for the podcast, upon which you get a
whole new section on every episode containing a secret from
each guest, more questions, and a video of each episode
which looks very nice and very fresh. So if you
are of a supporting nature and feel like some extras
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from this show, you will find them all there. So
that is it for now. Let's get you settled in
for a wonderful episode with the brilliant Harold Pero. Catch
you at the end for a quick sign off, But
for now, please enjoy this flashback to episode two hundred
and sixty four of Films to Be Buried.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
With Let's get It.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Hello, and welcome to Films to Be Buried With. It
is me at Goldstein, and I am joined today by
an inmate, an islander, a superhero, a vampire hunter.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
A red blue red pillar, a devil, a biker, a hero,
a legend, a best bit in one of the all
time great films.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And I can't believe he's here. Will you please welcome
to the show. It's the brilliant it's mister Harold Berno.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I feel like I should clap for myself.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You should, Hello, Harold, how are you?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I'm really good.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I'm good, But how are you? I'm good?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's very nice to me.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I was going through your you quite an unusual your
list of things you've done. You are in You've got
quite the fucking You're the like al Pacino of TV,
like you're your signal. You are in the most at
least four of the most significant things that have been made,
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you know what I mean like? And I was thinking
it wasn't us the first HBO show.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
It's the first keyble dramatic show period.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You're the very first scene, don't you It starts yeah,
so yeah, yeah, you kicked it off, began the golden
ative television.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It's literally you show literally me.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, you did Us, and then you did Last which
is the biggest network show. And you're you're you're the
best in Romeo and Juliet and you're fucking Blade and
you're in the matrix s.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
You've got an eye crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I've been lucky, man. Well, you're either very very lucky
or you've got very good taste and you've got a
good eye for it.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
I'm really I'm really really lucky, man, I'm lucky. I
wouldn't they could take credit for all that really.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, Because also I was thinking with your listen, like
that's a lot of pressure because you go from like
a show defining show like oh, and you go, well,
I can imagine you think, well, I'll never do anything
is sort of defining, is that? And then you do
fucking Lost and you're like, okay, well I never do
you know what I mean? He just kept going.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
That's really true. Like I didn't.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I certainly didn't think about that when we like when
we did OZ yeah, the first the first season, I
thought like, oh, now, my career is over because it
was so wild. It was so like we were doing such
wild stuff. I was like, oh man, that's it. We're
not gonna work anymore. We're just gonna be here in
New York. Well it was nice while it last. And
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then when Lost came around JJ abrams his office, they
presented it like, hey, it's just like working for Tom Fontana,
like he likes to keep it in the family. And
I was like, okay, so this is maybe gonna be wild,
but my career again is going to be up in
the air.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Is that what that means?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And then it turned out being really really groovy, So yeah,
it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
What was what was the time? I mean, you've had
it for so long, but like Lost was, I mean
it still is, but when it was on, it was
the biggest shine in the world, right as in the
most talked about this kind of it was one of
the few cultural phenomenon uns and like, yeah, what was
that like for you in your sort of regardless of
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how it was to make it when you just walk
in the streets living your life. Was it difficult or
was it great?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
No, it was it was amazing. It was really for me.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
It was one of the biggest you know, Romeo and
Juliet stuff was good. The Matrix movies were good, but
I say that, but like they weren't good.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
The very first Matrix.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Was It just changed the whole world, like everything was
different after that. And then the second two Matrix movies
they were good, but they weren't like they didn't have
the same impact as the first one, right, yeah, like
the first one really did a thing, And so until
last I hadn't experienced anything that was so phenomenal and
lost really like when people were like, oh, you can
do that on Network TV and bands were loving it
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and people like that's Walt's dad. I was like, oh wow,
this is this is wild. And so it really did
change the game. And I was super proud of it,
Like I wanted to get us all and I did.
I should have done it, you know. And here in America,
when me graduate from high school, we get these like
high school rings, right, these like gold rings like super
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Bowl rings.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, kind of like super Bowl rings.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
And I kind of wanted to get it for our
whole cast because you know, it didn't even feel like working.
It was such an experience, like all of our lives
were so intertwined on this island where we were doing
this show, like sequestered away from the rest of the
world and we were just doing this show that was,
you know, just a phenomenon. And so I really regret
that I didn't get those rings because that first season was, honestly,
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I feel like some of the best television I had
ever seen.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
In my life.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Like, I just thought it was amazing, the way our
cast look, the way the writing was, the directing, like,
I just thought it was some of the best TV.
I didn't even want to do TV actually, and when
we did that, I was like, oh shit, oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
kind of I want to do this kind of wild TV.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah like this, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
How was it with We've Lost Something I Lost? IL
is wonder like the making of it because it's such
a big it's a big ensemble show. But it also,
unlike say most sitcoms, it was often We've Lost each
character had their own turn, right, you had like it
was your episode and it would mostly be you and
there'd be scenes with everyone. But then if you'd had
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your episode, you probably wouldn't be used much for a
few episodes. And so I wondered, like your your working life, like,
was it very sporadic? Were you like sometimes I have
a whole week, I'm not doing anything and and I'm
in Hawaii on this island, or.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Well, well not really the first season, Like in the
first season, we would have days where we didn't didn't work,
but pretty much because you're really building the world at
the time, so you were always always back on the
island with everybody. So that very first season, it wasn't
that much of a breakup in time.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
We didn't have like time off, like weeks or anything
like that, even though we had that giant cast.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
In the second season, it started to change a little
bit more, you know what I mean, Well, you'd have
a little bit more time off or Yeah, in the
second season, I remember having like weeks off and like
I left the island and went back to la and
like just like weeks off. It was really it was
really wild and I'm just growing this crazy furry beard,
you know.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
It was.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It was definitely different the second season.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
But yeah, the first season, we were all there just
working and working all the time.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Kind of were you if you I mean, maybe you
wouldn't tell me if this wasn't the case. But were
you as a group as a crew, were you all
close to each other? Were you all aware, God, we're
making this thing that's fucking special and it matters well,
how much was that ego problems and it's such a
big cast, or how much of you were like we
were a gang.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Again that first season, we really were a gang because
it was all so new to everybody.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Some people it was their first job ever.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Some people had done job, but this hadn't had a
phenomenon show like this, So that very first season, really
we were all quite close. That was still the season
where if it were Evangeline's episode, we'd all congregated at
Evangeline's house to watch the episode. This Fox Fox's episode,
we go to Foxy's house and watch the episode. Mine
to say, so, we really really did it, And then
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you know, shit changed a little. Then second seem that
it got a little was a little different, but you
know that's just the nature of the beast, so you
know it went.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
But still here's the things.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
At the end of the day, Still I feel like
those are I feel so close to all those folks.
There's not a person on that show who I feel like, Oh,
I never want to see that person again, or like
like I really like actually missed them.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I missed that time in Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I miss having my kids in Hawaii, and my kid
at the time I.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Only have one.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Yeah, man, the whole thing was really kind of it
was really special. Again, it didn't feel while it felt
like a job, it felt like a life event.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
It's so much it really took your whole being to
be there.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Like my whole family moved there, we bought a house there,
like everything we did was in Hawaii, and it was
just it was a giant shift in my whole life.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, that's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I totally. I think there were a few There are
a few things I think like friends like last like
shows like that where it's you all went through something together,
and you know what I mean, like as in it's
very it must be incredibly bunding forever. Yeah, I'm sure
most of it's very positive and wonderful, but it's also
this fucking intense you have this worldwide phenomenon and experience it.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I was saying this to somebody recently.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
We were talking about like all the different jobs, and
I likened it to listening to what some fight I
like watching boxing and mixed martial arts and stuff like that,
and fighters are like you know when you go into
a ring each time you kind of lose a piece
of yourself, but you kind of gain a piece of
the person you're fighting, you know what I mean. Like
you're like there's something where your spirits bond. And that's
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what I feel about like every job, Like you know,
there's something that you kind of lay it out there
and you leave a piece of yourself there, but you
also gain a bit of like this thing with this
whole group of people that you carry with you forever.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
At least it feels like it's gonna be forever right now.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
I don't know, maybe you know, I get Alzheimer's and
I forget all this shit.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I don't know, not to happen books at.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
All, Timer's but you know, right now, I feel like
each job, but like I carry a bit of that
with me, and there's a bit of myself I left
over there, like you know, that's on film for the
world to see it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
It feels like that for me.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And what about if I can go back to the
very beginning of it, like when you did us that's
all men, you're in a prison. It was like six years?
Was it us six seven years?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yep? Six years?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And when that ended, were you relieved? Were you said?
Was it mixed? Like? Was that a good funding time?
Where you claims that's such a strange show, it's fucking brilliant,
But you're right, it's very extreme. There's so much it's
very extreme show. Yeah, man, do you know what you've
left and what you took from that?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
So you know, one of the things about ours is
that we had a real mix of people. We had
a real mix of artists, right, actors and there we
actually had a bunch of the early UFC guys, mixed
martial artists and people who whose life was their art.
You know, Chuck Zito was this dude who I don't
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know if you know Chuck, you know, but he had
this whole life as a as a biker guy. I
don't want to call out what his whole life was.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
You know, it's a lot of people that are really
really interesting in the whole world.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
So we had a bunch of folks like that, right,
And we all were in there and sometimes doing the
most horrific shit to each other.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
But because we all trusted each other, you could.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
You could have a fight with a dude, and having
a fight or losing a fight, even a fake fight
kind of hurts your ego a little.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
But then to like have like lose.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
A fake fight and have a guy throw you in
the desks and then fuck you like that, you know
what I mean, like literally like pull your pants down
and like you know that shit?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Is that that shit that that fucks at your brain?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (14:03):
And we could all do that with each other and
then go out later that night and just you know,
party like like nothing happened, like And so for me,
I gained this kind of this this spirit of like
working with people like this, the spirit of working in
a group and like leaving my ego like at the
door and being willing to you could do any fucking
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thing to me that you wanted to because of OZ
because I know that if I could get through that,
I can get through any I can't imagine somebody could
throw something at me that I couldn't get through.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And so that's what I that's what I take.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
So I take that with me and I leave that
like I also could do anything, you know what I mean,
Like I could come up with as much crazy shit
as you can, and so I can hear my I
can hear my voice change even as I talk about it.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
It's a just a wild time, man, really really wild time.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
What a great group of guys, Man, great group of
guys and some ladies too, Eadie Falco, Yeah, Lauren Blez
and Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Freedom of Reno was there, Freedom Moreno was their player.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
We had a great time.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
We had a great time.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It was really good. Well, I I forgot to tell
you something that I should have said at the beginning. Well,
I'm sad to say. No, I'll just have to watch
my language. No, no, no, no, no, it's it's that you've died.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
You're dead.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
You're dead in life number, You're dead.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You're dead.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Oh damn it.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
You shouldn't let me know. I should have.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I absolutely should have remembered.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
How did you listen?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
What?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
What a legacy you leave? So? No? Man? How how
did you die?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
How would you like to die? How would I like
to die?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
How did I die? There?
Speaker 6 (15:48):
It's up to you listen. Like any other person, I'd
like to live along, live a long life. Mark King said,
But you know, if I die, I want to be either.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Quick or peacefully, but spectacular.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
No, I don't want it to be I needed to
be spectacular, spectacular life.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
But in odds I wound up getting shanked by somebody.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Who who's as revenge shanking and uh and I, you know,
just die in the arms of my prison pops.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, but how would how would you like to die
in this life? In your real life? It would be
your dream death.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, man, And in my real life.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
See listen, that's changed, right, many many times, many times.
And when I was younger and I didn't have kids,
you know, I did want it to be spectacular. I
wanted it to be big and fast. And you know,
I love motorcycles. And if I could die like Jacks
did on on Sons of Anarchy, just ride my bike
into a mac truck, I would.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
When I was when I was younger, because it's just
like would be wild and big and fast.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
But you know, now that I have kids, at the
end of the day, I'd like to see them them
grow up and and see that they're leading a spectacular life.
And then at that point, if you know, a house
just fell down on me because I live in la
and there was a great and a tub just fell,
you know, from the ceiling smashed my head.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I can do that, like in the money pit, like
you were underneath that.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Okay, great, Like.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
What do you worry about?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Death?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Is something you worry about? I don't know why not.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I feel like if I worry about death, I feel
like that I missed with what I'm doing in my life.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (17:38):
If I'm worried about like how this might, if I'm
so future projected, then then I'm not paying attention to
what I'm doing right now.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
And I have a lot of ship that I like
to pay attention to.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Like I said, man, you can I don't know if
you have kids, but I can't express to you the
kind of love I have for these human beings and
just wanting to be around to do what I can
to like you know, I'll show them into some really
great adulthood. And so like if I'm worried about how
I die, and I'm going to be missing that, and
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I don't want to miss that.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So that's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Now. That's nice. Like I don't even want to go
to work sometimes because I just want to watch. But
like I.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Got, they have to eat.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I need to eat.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So I gotta get to work.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
What do you think, What do you think happens when
you die? Do you believe it enough to life?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, there are so many possibilities.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
I really do believe that matter doesn't end and it
just transforms, you know what I mean. And so these
ideas of reincarnation and stuff like that, I think in
my head are probably really really real. I've said this
to my wife and stuff like that. And you ever
walk down the street and you're just walking in you
and somebody like look at each other, just briefly at
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the same time.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
You don't know why, you just keep moving.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
My head somewhere it feels like matter recognizing that they've
been together at some point, like oh hey, and then
they just keep going. I just think it changes forms.
You ever connect with like an animal that for no
reason you're like, oh, I love that one. Or my
daughter used to have this dog and I fucking hated
I hated this dog, and a dog hated me.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And the time the dog showed up hating this motherfucker
and he hated me too.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
And so like, yeah, yeah, something it's like a matter
thing and some in my head, like there's just this
constant rotation of matter within you know, this little blue
ball that we live that's you know, until that blue
ball goes somewhere that we're all just kind of like
shifting and changing and doing things.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And so that's kind of what I think, but I
like it. Yeah, Well, before you transmute into a dog
you hate, there is a there is a heaven. There's
a stop. You get to stop for a bit.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
In heaven.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
You're very weapon there and have is filled with your
favorite thing. What's your favorite thing outside of my kids? Yeah,
I mean, I'm not going to lie to you.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
I really love acting because I feel freer in acting
quite often than I do in my whole life. I
feel free to make any choices I want based on
the given parameters, the circumstances, and in those parameters, I
feel super free in a way that I don't feel
in life. Like every time I curse here, there's a
voice in my head goes, you probably shouldn't courage.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
On this podcast, people are going to do like there's.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Always something, But when I'm acting, I don't have I
don't have that voice at all.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I just kind of do stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
And it's one of my favorite things to do in
the world, like between action and cut my favorite favorite
time of the day, or like when lights go up
on the show, when me go in my favorite times.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Well, when you get to Heaven, I'll tell you what
it is. It's a series of rooms. Some are set,
some stages, and in every room it's a different part
for you to play. And it's all the parts you
ever wanted to play. And you walk in the room,
you know the line, and they say action or the
lights come up. It's fucking great. Everyone's very excited to
see you, but they want to talk to you about
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your life through film, and the first thing they ask
you is what is the first film you remember seeing?
Howard Perrin my head, I feel like it's Sounder with
Cicily Tyson, like when I was a little little guy.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
I feel like like the first film I remember was
like watching with my parents.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
They used to have like a mattress that just sat
on the floor.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We'd look up and watch TV.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Sounder feels like one of the first ones that must
have made some sort of impact on me. Yeah, I
must have seen something before them, but that's kind of
the first thing I can think of right now.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And where was this?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Was this in La. Did you grab in La?
Speaker 7 (21:44):
Now?
Speaker 8 (21:44):
I grew up in Brooklyn, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
I grew up in a project called Cypress Hills, so yeah,
yeah yeah. So in twelve ten and three, a I
remember sitting in that back room watch a sounder on
the TV.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
What about being scared? What's the film that scared you
the most? Do you like being scared? I don't like
being scared.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
The film that scared me the most, and I didn't
even see it, was The Exorcist.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
My dad and my mom.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Went to the movies to see The Exorcist, and I
was so excited when they got back because I was like,
I'm gonna go see this movie and they were like, no,
you're not, so what I have to see this movie
that Like, Nope, absolutely not. And then I watched my
dad for weeks be terrified in our own house.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Now, for me, my dad is.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Just like he's my dad, he's the strongest guy I know,
but he's terrified, wow, because of the Exorcist.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
And I was like, oh, hell, what happened to that movie? Oh.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
At that point I was like no, no, no, no, no, no,
If you could scare him like that.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
No no, no, no, no no no no no no no no.
I'm okay. I thought I wanted to see it. I
don't want to see it.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
And I don't think I saw the Exorcist until I
was in my twenties, and you know, by then technology changed,
Like that's.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
What fucked my dad up?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Do you are you and only child? Do you have siblings?
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Did you say I'm the oldest, Well, they're actually my
dad has.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Five sons and so I'm the oldest of the.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Five old boys?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Oh boys, Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting. You went
from old boys to doing Osbich's Old Boys.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
You old boys?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, I live with girls.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, very binary.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
N I'm glad. I'm glad you let me know that
I'm dead.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
So now I know how to answer these questions. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Oh yes, all right, I should have told you. It's mindful.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
What what about crying? What's the film that made you cry? Thedvice?
Do you cry?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
You're crying?
Speaker 6 (23:46):
I do cry. I cry one more now than I
than I used to. One of my favorite films, and
it made me cry. It's COOLi High. You ever see
Coolie High? What's COOLIEI Glenn about these these kids in
the inner city. Glenn Turman is a a young guy
who wants to be a writer at the end of
the day, and they're just like they're in high school.
It's their last year of high school, and they're just
(24:08):
doing things that kids could do. There's a Glenn Turman
plays a character called Preach and he's like smart and
funny but not cool. And his best friend is co
Cheese played by Lawrence I forgot Laurence his last name,
but he's like a basketball player and he's just the
coolest guy in the whole school.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And they go somewhere doing the thing.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
They go on this joy ride with some friends that
they meet and it turns out that there's two guys
that are joy riding with them stole the car and
they have to get out of the car and run
and the police catch them. And they don't say anything
to the police about you know, who they were with
or anything.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
But the two.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Guys get caught and they think, oh, they snitched on us,
and so they kill CoA Chiese.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
They beat him to death. It's a horrific scene.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
And then Glenn Turman is under an l trained crying,
wake up good. And I remember that moment like the
first first moment I cried. And I was sitting next
to my cousin. His name is dollar Bill, that's what
they call him in.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
The streets, and dollar Bill was crying crying. I was
like it was.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
It was also the film that changed my perspective about
like I was wast Glenn Turnman, I was like, I could.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Be an actor. I could.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
He looks like me.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
He looks like me, Like I could, like like an
older version of me. I could do this. And that
was I got to work with him years later and
uh and tell him that I had that moment. But
that's the first film that made me cry. It's cooly high.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Did you and dollar Bill talk about it when he
came out? Or did you pretend nothing had ever happened?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Absolutely pretended nothing ever happened. Yo.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Man, that was good, right, That was a That was
a good movie.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yo. When I motherfucker killed Coaches, I was mad.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I was laughing. I was laughing.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It was funny. To this day, we haven't spoken about it.
He's gonna be furious. I dare you tell that I was.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Loving? I told you I was, and I was I
was crying, what what? What is the film that you
love that is critically not acclaimed. Most people don't like it,
but you're like, you're all idiots. This film is the best.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Some really cool questions here, my friends, really really cool question.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I wish I'd been prepared for this. I mean, it's
occurring to me you won't send the homework. But that's okay,
because I have to say, you're handing in it beautifully.
What a great yes, and back to you. You're just ready.
We're between that and cut and you're figuring it out.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
The film that highlighted not critically acclaimed, but I think
a lot of people don't, even people I grew up
with didn't didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I used to love and sitting around watching those great
old musicals.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
And there is a musical called seven Brides for seven brothers, brothers.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
God, I think that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
And Russ Tamblin is in that movie.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
But you know I love Russ Hamblin from West Side Story.
Uh well, I loved it from originally. I also also
love his Donna Amber, she's great, but just Tamblin is
ripped and seven brides or seven Brothers, I think it
was pretty critical acclaimed, but I couldn't believe that was
the same guy. And I would imagine that a lot
(27:32):
of people that I grew up with I wouldn't believe that.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Like every time that thing was.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
On, I would sit around watching it doing like the
dancers that they did in the Boots, Ross Hamblin, doing
all the acrobatic stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
And so my question is, did do Bill know that
you were watching it?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Absolutely not. Again, you don't talk about crying or musicals. Yeah,
what's that?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
What's that music coming from the living room?
Speaker 9 (27:59):
Nothing breaking, it's the radios on the road. What about
what about a film that you used to love?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You used to love it, and then you've watched it
recently and you've got no, I don't like this anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Maybe because you changed.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Oh man, I was recently watching It's really funny.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I was.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
I was watching Sorry Eddie, I was watching Coming to America.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, and I thought I was going to show it
to my kids. I thought they were gonna love it.
And then I watched it. I was like, oh wait,
this is terrible.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
A second one, I know, it's like their accents are
all over the place, and like it's it's like, I mean,
Eddie is funny, and he's really funny. Halls, it's funny,
but like the script is terrible and there's a bunch
of great actors and that I love it.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
It's terrible, It's it's just bad man.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
One.
Speaker 10 (28:55):
I was like, oh wow, so don't kill me, you guys.
But yeah, it was a just recently. Recently answers made
me stressed. I'm gonna have to cut this out.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
It was lovely me. What's okay? Because he's dead.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
He's dead, they said at the beginning. Don't he's already dead.
I killed him.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
What's what's the film that means the most to you?
Not necessarily the film itself is good, but the experience
you had around seeing the film will always make it,
especially when for you like it could be the first day.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Well again, I'm going to go back to Coolie Hide.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
It's the first time like I considered actually being an actor,
and I felt like I could see not only myself,
my neighborhood, culturally, like all these things that like I
just took for granted that I saw up on a
film and realized that, you know, you could share that
with the world. That was amazing because before Cooley High.
My favorite film was West Side Story and I just
the Sharks and the Jets and I just loved it.
(30:03):
Like I said, Russ Tamblin, and I love a West
Side Story. I would just watch it every every time
it came on. So those two films are two my
favorite films ever. If they come on, I just stopped
when watch I just I can't help it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
West Side Story?
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Were you?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Was that like your secret favorite film of all time?
For a long time?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Actually not even so much of a secret most of
my life.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
If you would have asked me, like.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
What's your favorite film on the West Side Story and
people go, really, yep, it's fun. So then working with
Rita Moreno for it was a total mind bend. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
do you like the new one? Have you seen the
new one?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I do like the new one. Spielberg's a genius.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I think Spielberg can do anything like he you know,
it's so good, it's so good.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. I do.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I mean I love the original because that's that's it's
in my heart.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
But Spielberg is he's just he really is a mastercrafts
and the like if you watch it film.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, He's just a matter.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
It's funny how I think everyone with that West that
story went into it like, oh God, here we go,
this is gonna be bad, and then you watch it
you go, oh, yeah, Spielbag's a fucking amazing filmmaker.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Why did we have a doubt?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Wrong? Are we thinking? Yeah, it's Spilbags, He's very good?
What about Well? I worry this is maybe the same answer.
But the next question is what's the film you most
relate to? Do you have any others?
Speaker 6 (31:31):
It's interesting I love film a lot, and when I
had more time to see film, you could ask me
about any film and I would have like a whole
analysis of it. And just you know, like I said,
the last twenty or so years, because of the kids,
I don't I don't have analysis. I'm watched my kids,
and so my analysis of films is just less. And
(31:53):
so like as I'm as I'm searching through my memory,
there are lots of films, I'm like, God, I wish
I would have been in the film, but I don't
have the chops.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
What's the film? What's Lenny? What's your name? Yeah, they're
talking about the dog.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
The dog has got the squeaking toy this much?
Speaker 6 (32:09):
What is that? I think it's a is it Brad Pitt?
And are they all in that movie? Lock Stock, barrels? Snatch?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Might be? Might be?
Speaker 7 (32:23):
I remember, God, I wish I could have done that
film because they're so fucking great and now it's so
macho and like just filled with the stosterone and you
know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
That's interesting, dog, don't all right?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
The next the next two questions are going to be
you you haven't been prepared to. Just please understand that
these are always the questions. The next question is what
is the sexiest film you've ever seen?
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Back in the day, I would have said that film
with Mickey Rourke and Kim Basinger.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Nine and a half weeks.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Yeah, I would have said that, Yeah, because I think
Kim Basinger may be the sexiest woman on the film
I've ever seen. I think it's a really sexy film.
That's a long time ago, I know, And in order
to not be you know, crazy horn dog around my kids,
I don't see that many sexy films lately.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
You know, there's a lot of cartoons animated, which, which
which brings me to my which brings me to the
sub category question, which is traveling, bonds, worrying. Why don't
a film you found arousing that you weren't sure you
should might have been one of these animated ones.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
If I was like, you know, encounter just gets me going,
I'd be like.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
That big sister, she's so No, it's nothing about her
being in prison.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
What a voice?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
A voice? A film that I found a rousing, but
I didn't expect it to be. And then and certainly
there been a.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Bunch of them, Bese Moir, do you ever see bee More?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Oh my god, that's your answer. That's a heck of
an answer. That is a heck of an answer, because
there was something about it. It's like, could I have
been on that set? Could I have done that job
like that? These more?
Speaker 6 (34:29):
I remember seeing that oh ship that Yeah, I remember
seeing that and I didn't think I was I thought
it was going to be exploited and I was like whatever,
But I was more roused than I expected to be.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well, you've you very much answered the question, and thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
The next.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
End of interview, I got it.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
We're gonna take something.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Really quick. What film objectively is the greatest film of
all time? Now? It might not be your favorite. This
is more if Aliens came and they said, show me
the pinnacle of cinema, what is it? Everybody's gonna hate me?
Really are? I like the Adventures? Endgame?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I'm not gonna hate you for that. I mean people
like it. I mean we do all these superhero movies.
That's sucking great. That's a very impressive film. Yeah, it's impressive.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
All those actors, all that cgi they go, they come
back and I'm Iron Man, snap, like, come on, come
on movie.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
It gets gets all the moments.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
It's it's superheroes and you get all the moments when
Peter Parker shows up again.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah, let's a dark. Let's a dark. I'm gonna have
to go with Endgame. If that is your truth, you
must speak it.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
It's a great film. It's really impressive. Yeah, an endgame?
When does Peter Parker come back?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
And endgame? Endgame is the end? Right? Is where they
will come through the portals? Yes?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
And they all come through the portals? Right, that's exactly right, right, endgame?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Greatest movie ever? Lovely, What is the film you could
or have watched the most over and over again story?
I think so?
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Right and back in the day when we didn't have streaming,
that would probably be true, but now you can stream things.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I just watched Spielberg.
Speaker 8 (36:27):
There is you know what I could watch but I
haven't watched over and over again, but I could watch
it going that movie Pig.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Do you see this movie with fucking great? Isn't Pig
a great fucking film?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
What a great film?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I watched it. I watched it quite a few times,
like I go like, let me see that again. What's
Nick Cage doing in this? What's he doing?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
And then and then the young kid.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
Who plays like the son of the antagonist, that kid
I don't know his name.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Just fucking marvelous, just marvelous work. That's such a unique film.
There's nothing really like Pig. And and when you see
the trailer, the premise of it is like John is
John Wick. It's John Wick with a pick like you took,
and you think it's going to be like a shoot
him up, And it's this fucking profound, rising film about grief.
(37:17):
It's syncredible. It's such a weird, wonderful film.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
It really really is.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
And they really use like the Cage in that way
because you're constantly expecting, oh, the underground thing with it off.
This is where it's going to happen. Okay, he just
got slapped around. It's so big And I watched it
a bunch of times. I could keep watching it. I
like it a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
And the scene with the chef when he when he
goes to that restaurant that's sort of mainstream restaurant with
the artist chef and he gets that speech. I'm like,
there's also a film about film and critics, and right right,
I love it. I love it all right, let's not
be too negative there. But he is the worst film
(38:02):
you ever saw.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
Oh this is That's a that's a hard one because
sometimes you just turn them off. You stop while you
get up and leaves. Uh. Back in the day, he's
just like, man, I'm getting out of here. What a
hell am I doing? And there have been a couple,
you know what I think. Here's the thing. I thought
the performance was really great by the lead actor, Adam Driver.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
But I fucking hated the movie.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
It's the movie where he has the it's him and Marianne.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Oh you yes, And I hate that movie.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
But he's but I kept watching it because he's so good.
He's so like he's really. I mean, he's working, he's
working so hard with the movie. Is like they just
didn't do him any favors. It wasn't fair.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I feel like for how hard he was working.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Everyone's working. Everyone is fully committed in that film, even
the doll the dog is full committed.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Well, they committed, but I feel like they got let
down and then the film months of being It's just
not one of my favorites, but I was fascinated, Like
I wanted to turn it off, but I just kept watching. Yeah,
I just kept watching Adam Driver and he he really
is great.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
He's the real deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's really great.
But sorry about that. You deserve better, I know. I
know so many people who hate that film.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
It's so mad.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah, every five minutes you're like, what why, why? Why
would you? Why? Are we okay?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
All right now hang it a little. It's great.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Yeah. Now what about humor? What's the film that made
you laugh the most?
Speaker 6 (39:52):
There may be some recently that made me laugh away.
I remember, way back in the day. I remember watching
this movie Liar Liar with Jim Carrey.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Yeah, yeah, I love it, and I remember just laughing
my ass off because he thought he was so funny
and then crying at the end with he's trying to
get his kid back, and so it was really really great.
So A Liar Liar is just one of those films
that I thought like, oh wow, this is you know,
he was such a big star and you just felt like,
I mean whatever, it's gonna be fine.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
But I remember like out loud, just like laughing out
loud a lot in Liar Liar. I'm trying to think
of a more recent film that I found hysterical like that,
but I can't. I can't think of one just yet.
But Liar Liars are good one. Oh you know what
I can there's that Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy. I'm gonna
be redeemed Eddie Murphy. Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy. That film
(40:39):
is great. But Eddie Murphy, bow Finger, Bow Finger.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I remember being in this theater.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
I went to see that movie like five times, just
laughing my ass off. This is both of them, like
at the height of being great, Eddie going to get coffee.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
But it's a great it's.
Speaker 6 (41:06):
A great both fingers, really awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Franks directed it great.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Love it, yeah, love it. Yeah, that's one right now.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Listen Harold Perrino, you have been wonderful, especially wonderful given
you didn't know what this was. However, however, when you again, no, no, no,
when you were in your you're in your house, there
was an earthquake. You thought, I'll move over here, I'll
be safe. And you stood underneath and the floor above
(41:38):
you was Shelley Long and Tom Hanks pouring some water
into a bar. And the bath fell through the roof
straight on top of you, and you was crushed to death.
I was walking along with a coffin, you know what,
And I said, is anyone's seen Harold? And they go, yeah,
I think he's under the bath, And I'm like, oh God,
And I lift up the bath. Your you're flapned, crushed
(41:59):
into the floorboard. I'm having to scrape you out, get bits.
There's bits of wood, bits of ceramics. Smashing you up.
To get an axe, chop me up. Put all the
bits of you I can in the coffin. There's more
of you than I was expected. It's absolutely packed in there.
There's only enough room in this coffin just for me
to slide one DVD into the side for you to
take across to the other side, and on the other side,
(42:19):
it's movie night every night. What film are you taking
to show the actors in heaven when it is your
movie night?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
In act to heaven? Apparently that's a good one. Me
and all my ceramical bits.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
What movie am I taking me to show the actors
in heaven?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I am really unprepared for this day. I gotta be asked.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
You've winged it so well.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
I'm gonna have to go back to Coolie High. This
is for the brothers who are in here. When he
pours the liquor on the grave of a Coolie High
and this saying how do you are say goodbye? I'm
gonna say I have COOLi High with me right in
the pocket. Right in the pocket, I take Cooly High. Yeah,
that was just horold. You been an absolute delight before
(43:14):
we say goodbye? Is there and you would like to
tell people to look out for, to watch for, to
listen to coming up in your life. Well, I'll tell
you this this interview. I want you guys to watch
this because this is a This was a feat brother.
You actually you had me actually on my feet this whole.
You know, I am even more of a fan now.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
You right, you at you.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
You you just you interview with a kind of grace
and smart and like, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I just want people to listen to this except my kids.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah, definitely not your kids.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
I don't want them to hear about the Master Beings. No, listen, man,
I want people to check out. I have that you
TV show on now called From I think it's really
really great. Yeah, yeah, it's it's built this horror, but
I think that it's more like a suspense thriller. It
has elements, it feels a little like Lost, it feels
(44:12):
a lot like Lost, but we actually have answers for
the end. But I'm really really proud of it. It's
on MGM plus and I would love people to check
it out. I'm sure by the time that this gets edited,
you'll have both seasons.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
We have two.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Seasons one and two.
Speaker 6 (44:29):
There'll be an MGM plus probably on Amazon or something
like that, and so I would love people to check
that out because I think it's I think it's really special.
I think we have a really special cast, and I
think it's very cool. It's really good writing and stuff
for especially in a horror genre. You might think what
the hell, but I actually think.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, excellent.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
All right, everyone checked that out and Harold, you've been excellent.
I hope you have a wonderful good day to right.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
That was awesome and I know, and I was going
to go through this, I would, I would my screen
some more. Hey you soccer, this is so fun and
so smart.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
And you're a beast, my friend, a beast, just to killer.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
So that was a rewind classic with Harold Perano. Be
sure to check out the Patreon page at patreon dot
com slash Brett Goldstein where you get extra chat and
video and otherwise. If you fancy leaving a note on
Apple podcasts, that would be lovely too, and highly appreciate it.
But make it a review of your favorite film, a
much more fun way to get involved and much more
(45:39):
interesting to read for everyone else too. Thank you so
much to Harold for greatness and presence on the podcast.
Thanks to Screvious PI and the Distraction Pieces Network, thanks too.
And this is where Brett gives me a shout out
for editing and producing the podcast, So I say, thanks Brett,
It's a pleasure. Thanks to iHeartMedia and will Fare All
Big Money Players Network for hosting it thanks to Adam
Richardson for the graphics needs Alden for the photography. Season
(46:02):
nine is simmering and bubbling away in the kitchen as
we continue on a little between season Bridge. But that
is it for now. Brett and I and all of
us have films to be buried with. I hope you're
all very well in the meantime, have a lovely week,
take some deep breaths, and now more than ever, be
excellent to each other.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
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