January 8, 2025 • 66 mins
LOOK OUT! It’s only Films To Be Buried With!
Join your host Brett Goldstein as he talks life, death, love and the universe with the very funny and super versatile actor and voice talent JOSH GAD!
A wonderful catch up with Josh, a first timer on the podcast who is immediately at home and fits in perfectly from jump. He and Brett get into all of it, including his full on animation musical series Central Park, his early inclusion in The Book Of Mormon (some folk are still on the team 15 years later), process, no time for self reflection, legacy over career, chasing scares, and a truly moving moment pertaining to birds. Enjoy his gradual Cockney accent throughout the episode too! DASS IT DEN BRUV. Have fun!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look out, there's only films to be buried with. Hello,
and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
is Brett Colstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer,
a director at a windmill, and I love films. As Grace
(00:22):
Bonny once said, your joy is your greatest rebellion, which
should have been Marlon Brando's answer in the World One
instead of the much more vague what have you got?
Really good point, Grace, Thank you for sharing. Every week
I'm bu a special guest over. I tell them they've died,
then I get them to discuss their life through films
that meant that most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins,
Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone, and even Z Campbells. But this
(00:43):
week we have the brilliant actor, comedian, and singer and
now author Josh Gadd. All episodes of Shrinking season two
and season one are now available on Apple TV. Get
caught up on all of them before everyone spoils them
for you. You will fucking love them. Head over to
the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein
for the extra twenty minutes with Josh. We talk secrets,
(01:05):
We talk beginnings and endings. You get the whole episode
uncart Adfrey, and there's a video. Check it out over
at patreon dot com. Forward slash. Brett Goldstein so Josh gadd.
You might know him as the voice of Olaf from
Disney's Frozen. He was Elder Cunningham in the Book of Mormon,
and he recently starred on Broadway in Guttenburg. He's got
a new book out called in Gad. We trust you
know and love him from so many things. He's fucking brilliant.
(01:26):
I've never met him before. We recorded The sun Zoom
a couple of weeks ago and he was Sacha fucking delight.
You really are going to love this one. So that
is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy
episode three hundred and thirty three of Films to be
Buried With. Hello, I'm very excited. Oh hello, Welcome to
(01:56):
Films to be Buried With. It is me Brett Goldstein,
and I am joined today by a Mormoner, a snow man,
a beauty and the Beast, a Central Park creator is
soon to be hit director, a Frozener, a Guttenburger, a hero,
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a tree falling in the Woods a legend. I can't
believe he's here. You can't believe it either, but I
promise he is. Please, welcome to the show. It's the amazing,
It's just good.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Now. How do I cheer for myself? You've you've really
given like you've done such an unbelievable job of setting
me up. If there's nobody else here, So do I
just start cheering?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah? You do the cheer? Yes, I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Me.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I sound great. I sound so good. I'd like to
meet this guy. He sounds cool.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Some of these credits are better than the actual films themselves.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And I missed out loads. I mean there was loads
to do. Josh Guy's pleasure to meet you. We've never
met before. Thank you for doing this. Oh how are you?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm great. I'm such a big fan of yours. I
get invited to do a lot of podcasts, and I
usually don't do them because now everybody's got a podcast
I wasn't. I'm not sure if you're aware of that,
but when your name came up, I said yes, yes, immediately.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I said it. That's nice. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You are a your certifiable genius, your genius act, your
genius writer.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Jesunds like a genius.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I want you to shaving himself on this sounds cool.
You've kept a lot of people in my home very happy,
including this guy, so thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well. You've kept a lot of people in my world,
in my family, very very very happy. And I and
I was thinking, I find it weird when I talk
to people who's thinking about like when you do a
musical thing that's very special to people, it is weird
how often your voice has been in my head? Do
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Like, yeah, because you can actually like listen to that
outside of the movie itself.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, yeah, And like luc of Mormon was like, what,
it's like one of my favorite sound I've listened to it.
Thank you man so much. And you're so fucking good
in it. And then and then you go off and
do Frozen. I mean it, don't stop with you do it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I love this you You're almost sounding like I do
when I try to do a British accent. I will
kind of love it. That's very sweet of you. I'm
going through it now in my house. We're It's wicked,
endlessly playing again and again. And I'm very good friends
with Cynthia and with Arianna incredible, and I'm like, I
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now understand where I'm like, yeah, this is what happens,
like this becomes. It starts off really cool and then
you're like, can we listen to anything else? In your
kids are like no, we cannot.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
No, that's it. I wanted to ask you so many things.
One of them is, you made this show Central Park,
which is the hardest thing anyone could do. I loved
it so much. It's still going no finished.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
No. Unlike you and Ted Lasso, we did three seasons,
but they decided that that's it. They don't want anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We had the opposite with that and thought, my god,
no animated it's the hardest thing you can do. It's
a fucking music. It's a full musical every week. How
the hell do you do it? It's a musical. No, I'm
so so proud of it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
That was the challenge, the conceit, the desire to do
it was can you actually and successfully create a real
musical over the course of sixty episodes that every song,
No song feels like filler, every song feels earned. I
teamed up with the creator of Bob's Burger's Learn Bischard,
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and we did it, and like, the key was the
secret sauce was that we got every episode we had
different artists come in and play with us. So you
had like Cyndi Lauper, and you had Y Cleft, and
you had like Big Boy. Like every episode Danny Elfman,
we just had this amazing group of outside musical influencers,
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brilliant composers come in and just screw around and it
was heaven. And the soundtrack is just it's unbelievable. Past
was unbelievable. I'd invite you to come and be on
the show, but there is no show anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Brett. I'm devastated. But I also like, whenever I watched it,
I was like, this is so hard. I wondered if
when it ended you thought thank god.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
A part of me was like, yeah, this is it's time.
This became really really tough. But we had fun. It
was really fun. And I mean just having like Catherine
Hahn and Stanley Tucci, Titus Burgess, Kristen Bell. You know,
it was unbelievable. To the digs, we were very, very
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very lucky.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay, next question for you about your musical and broadway career.
You've just done it, which I haven't seen yet unless
it's finished. Has it finished Gutenberg, you would have to
have a time machine. At this point, Kapinos said, to
haven't unlike Central Park, which you can.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And also I forgot to mention Emmy River Lampman, who's
incredible on that show. We finished Gutenberg last January and
it was incredible. It ran for five months, which was
the intention. They wanted to extend it, and I said
absolutely not, primarily because I don't think I could have
survived another week doing that show. But you know that's
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my it's my brother Andrew Reynolds. We you know, did
Mormon together.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
How long did you do morement together?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So I was involved with Mormon from the beginning. So
we started workshopping at Brett in say two thousand and
nine or two thousand, somewhere around like two thousand and eight.
I write about this in my book and yet I
can't remember it. Somewhere around like two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight, we started workshopping at and every
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time we did it we couldn't find the right elder price.
And we finally come to we're gonna we know we're
gonna go to Broadway. We're looking for the guy and
in walks his kid from Nebraska, Andrew Rynolds.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Wow, and he was just it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And he and I did the show together about a
year and a half and then both left around the
same time. So we've been looking a year and a half,
so we'd been looking to do something together. Ten years later,
this you know, incredibly insane show falls into our lap,
Gutenberg Musical, and it was tremendous. I mean it was.
We just had the time of our lives.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I imagine because I went to see bo a moment early,
like fairly early, like in the the first few months
of it or whatever, and genuinely, and I say this
in the bottom of my heart, it was the most
joy I love.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It if you were like, it was the biggest piece
of shit ever in my life.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And it was like the level of joy in the
room I'd never seen anything like it. I was like,
holy shit, Like the energy in the audience was like
it was because obviously I do stand up, but I've
never had no audios react like this. It was the
feeling of the subtext of the audience was we're happy, yeah,
(09:30):
but it was.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
It was it was And it was also how the
fuck did they get away with this, which I kept
asking myself. I was certain the show was going to fail.
There was no part of me that thought that there
would be an audience of theater patrons who would actually
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legitimize what we were doing on that stage. There was
no part of me that could imagine a decade plus
later Horus being like, oh, I want to go to
the show where they talk about fucking frogs, and like,
not a single ounce of me thought it would last
more than three months. I was just a die hard
(10:12):
Tray and Mat fan. South Park was my jam still is,
and the idea of working with those guys, with Bobby Lopez,
who had created the music for Avenue Q, I was like, yeah,
it's just gonna be fun. We're just gonna have fun.
People are gonna be like this is insane, but but
like I've never laughed harder. And then it'll close and
(10:32):
then like all of a sudden, the show is becomes
cats and you're like, what, wait.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
What's no you mentioned it?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm like, it is weird, it's wild, it's wild.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And my question for you from Gudberg, I was fascinated
by people who do long term the theater. The theater
is the way we say that you did a year
and a half and I and I know from being
in the room, the energy, the joy, it must have
been incredible. Was any part in that year and a
half where you were like, fucking know, how do I
keep doing this? Like? How do you keep it fresh?
(11:06):
Or not get bored of?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
There's a reason I didn't come back to Broadway for
a decade. Right by the let's say, nine month mark,
I was done. I was leaving my body. I just
was thinking about anything but what was happening on stage.
I would fucking forget lines that I had done thousands
of times because I was just like I was in
(11:30):
two places at once. I was in like the literal
space and the metaphorical like space of what am I
doing tonight? And you just, like anything, it just becomes rote.
But you know, I was actually thinking about this yesterday
some reason. I actually we were on a text chain
all the Mormon casts still after all these years, and
(11:52):
I realized that like three people are still doing the
show that I have been doing it since we opened,
and I I tried to like poop myself of that,
and I was like, I can't believe that I was
complaining after nine months, and these guys have been doing
the same show for fifteen years. Oh my god, that
(12:13):
fifteen years they've been doing this show. That's unreal. God,
bless I don't that's god. I'm too I'm too adhd.
I can't like I'd be like, no, no way, no no.
That's why I was like, five months, wait, let's.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Do that now. I read Andrew's book that he did
last year. Was it You can criticize it if you
want to. No, I it charming. I found it charming
and funny. And now you you've written your own book.
I guess because you're too a competitive you like it. Yeah,
I got jealous.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I was like, I've got a computer. I can I
know how to do words, I can write sentences. So
I'm just all I need to do is convince a publisher.
And I and I somehow bamboozled you. Look I hate yeah,
worry they You know it's this idiot can do it
where it's me, where a team let me do it.
(13:04):
And it's been a you know, it's been an amazing journey.
It's sort of equated to therapy in front of a mirror.
If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It does. Yeah, I just I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I just discovered this about myself and I don't even
need to pay my therapist right now. A lot of
interesting insights like that I didn't know I knew about myself,
a lot of interesting sort of like memory holes that
I guess I've forgot about, and then like shaking loose
some of those memories, and also like going back to
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the scene of the crime, and just like talking with
my parents and talking with like friends and like, wait,
this happened this way right. It was fascinating. It was
a fascinating journey. And you know, I I sort of
wanted I've always wanted to write something, but I wanted
to have a purpose. And you know what I sort
of realized, like the totality of my life has been
(13:56):
is that I always fall into this like position where everyone,
including myself, doubts me at times, and I pivot to
this place of challenging myself to do things I don't
think I'm capable of. And I want others to embrace
that sense of self ownership and self respect because I
think it's like it's valuable and important, and a lot
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of times I think that we settle, we don't push
ourselves to like challenge ourselves to take risks, to take chances,
take leaps in life. And the most success I've had
in life is just like rolling the dice and being like,
I'm not going to do the status quo. I'm going
to do this weird ass Broadway musical instead of Modern Family,
which I was invited to do. And so I was like,
(14:43):
It's always been that way for me. It's always been like,
let me just I know, I feel like I'm touching fire,
but maybe it's good.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Wow, you and you didn't figure this out until you
write the book that that's what you did.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I really didn't. I really didn't. I never self reflect.
I'm always sort of like moving forward not looking back.
Part of it is because I'm like so anxiety prone
that like anytime I look back, I fear what I
might see. So this has been a great discussion about
movies that I want to be buried with. I don't
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want I don't want to get there. I'm actually my
biggest fear is death. So the whole premise of this
podcast just it is like one big existential nightmare.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
If that's going to come about.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I really it didn't occur to me. Brett until I
fully sat down and embraced all of it. That that
is the theme, right, that that's sort of like the
summation of this journey that I've had, and you know whatever,
that's worth a reader. It's I don't ever ever think
to myself, oh, everybody should read about me. I actually
(15:53):
in the opposite, I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?
Why am I publishing a book? Oh my god? What
an embarrassment. But if I can even help like one
or two people who read the book and go holy shit,
like that's a worthwhile lesson, great, I will have done
my job.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It's all sharing in it. It's all sharing stuff. There's
the whole thing of I think it's Alan Bennett. This
is the highest thing about a book, And he said
the best. I fucking can't remember word for word, but
the quote is like when you read a book from
like one hundred and fifty years ago and you relate
to it, it is like a hand reaching out from
the past to shake yours. And I think that's a
really beautiful way of looking at it. I think these
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things are important.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Even if you did butcher that quote, which I expect
you did, Yeah, oh I did. I will tell you
the premise of that philosophy is beautiful. Like that is
a that is a profound I think it's part of
why I'm obsessed with history. I'm actually like, I haven't
I go to sleep that night listening to history podcasts
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because I really take comfort in the past reaching out.
So I really do find that to be a very
valid idea of like what And by the way, I
think that too speaks to what we do for a living,
Like I always sort of am like in a state
of shocking disbelief that like I'm a part of this
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tradition right where I think about like my grandparents saw
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs in a movie theater
as kids. My mother saw snow White and the Seven
Dwarves in a movie theater A decade of decades later,
I saw snow White. Decades after that, my kids have
grown up with snow White, and like being a part
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of that legacy with Frozen and knowing that that movie
potentially will outlive me or you, being a part of
a show that is already in the lexicon of greatest
shows ever made. Those are the things And that's the
other element of my book that I talk about is
I've I've never chased a career. I've always chased a legacy.
I'm so afraid of death that I hope I mean
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something after I'm gone, and that's the real fear. And
so it's like for me, it's and it's why I
kind of love the subject of this podcast is, well,
what is the legacy? What is the legacy of these things?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Books?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Movies, your life?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
What Napoleon, Jesus, Gandhi? You know, these are people who
made such indelible marks that thousands of years on, dozens
of years on, whatever it may be, we're still writing
books about them, We're still talking about them, we're still
sharing those stories. And I think that that's so beautiful
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that humanity can have such an impact that we can
we can drive these things that Homer and the fucking
Odyssey is something that like I still come back to
and go, this is a masterpiece, and like, what can
I learn from this? What can I do with this?
And how was this guy such a genius that he
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could write something that is as profound and meaningful in
twenty twenty four as it was the day he showed
Friend a copy of the Iliad. Okay read this isn't
any good. This is incredible that. That is an incredible sentiment.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Oh man, I had forgotten to tell you something, and
as you were talking about legacy, it occurred to me like,
oh fuck, I should have told him this earlier. But
you you've died. You're dead.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I'm dead now. Yeah, this is a weird way to
sort of find out on a podcast. Is a tough
way to learn that.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
As you say, everyone has a podcast now.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, it feels like this was always inevitable that I
would find out about my own death on a podcast. Ye,
but okay, all right? Also, way to bury the lead?
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Man?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Wait to bury the lead?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah? Fucking mad? Isn't it talk about a compliment? Sandwich?
Damn it? All right? How did you die?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well, buddy, you should ask may I have involved eating
and driving? Now, I will tell you that I'm not
proud of this, and I will tell you that the
sandwich was delicious with it, but the accident could have
been avoided.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It's sort of a defending your life way to go
kind of really sort of sad and pathetic, but hopefully
the beginning of self discovery and the next part of afterlife.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, so what it was like long, like it covered
your eyes, you were racing, or you were reaching for it,
or you just spilt a bit.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Wif that part of it is none of your goddamn business.
What I was eating, I'll take to my grave kind
of embarrassment out of self respect. Yeah, just know that
it was delicious, It was great. It was nothing any
of those weight loss drugs couldn't have helped with after
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the fact.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It just was what it was, right.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
But for that truck that I never saw coming because
I was looking down Jesus.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, So you do worry about death. You worry about
death on the daily, all the time, all the time. Way.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I vividly remember this starting when I was like maybe six,
and I woke up one night and I like recognized
in real time mortality and was like, wait, this won't
last forever. It's like the sheer act of opening my
eyes will end. And my heart started to race. I
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started to get like physically ill, and like started to
genuinely fear the unknown. I remember to the point that
like I didn't like there was a period where I
would only sleep in my mom's bed. I was so scared.
It was probably a byproduct of a couple of things.
My parents got divorced when I was like five years old,
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so like nothing has forever started to become like a yeah,
a mantra. We had an incredible caretaker who was a
part of our lives named Nellie. She died suddenly, and
my dad, who's got a real fucking way with words.
I remember like sitting on my mom's bed one night,
this was after the divorce, and my mom and I
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was like saying, like, so, I'm never gonna see Nellie again,
And my mom was handling it like as you should,
being like, well, we don't know. And then my dad
gets on the phone and he's like, no, she's gone,
She's dead. You're not gonna see her again, And I
was like, oh no, So like it was. I think
that was my first real, like again existential crisis where
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I just I didn't know what I didn't know, and
that scared the life out of me. And I remember
like talking to therapists about it, and like, you know,
I think it made me a hypochondriac. It is like
a real genuine thing. I've since sort of like come
to more peace with it. I'm much more worried now
that I have kids, and I'm sure this is like
a common thing, like about their health and safety over
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my health and safety, but I still dread it. I
still fear it. We just lost my father in law suddenly,
thank you man.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
And you know, the thing that always fascinates me about
death is a lot of times it just happens in silence,
and there's no score that accompanies it. There's no you
know what I mean by that is like there you know,
there's there's no there's nobody there. A lot of times
there's nobody with you. There's nobody to memorialize the moment
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it just happens. And it's the smallness of that that
I think I fear so much, right, Like it's the
it's the quietude of it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's the just.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
No standing over. Yeah, that's uh, that's tough. Like that's
the especially like when your entire life is one of
giving to others. I think a part of why we
do what we do is because we're so scared of
being alone with our elves. And like that is my
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fear that it'll happen just like in the quietest of ways,
and I'll never see it coming, and then it'll be
over and I think that that's the part that I
struggle with.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well, luckily for you, it will be a very very
very noisy, huge car wreck with a truck, so it
won't be quiet. Don't need to worry about that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
No, that's like.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And how do you survived?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
The good news is that And it'll be gnarmally getting
my body out of that mess. And it'll be like
a Mama cast situation with like a fucking such lodge
down my throat, like tough the images because she didn't
they didn't have TMS back then, the images are going
to be fucked.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So yeah, I'm glad I could Tom Sawyer this bad
Boy with you and look back on the scene of
the crime. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
What do you think happens after you die? Do you
think that's enough today?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
What do I want to happen? Or what do I think?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
What do you think happens?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
All right? Well, I've always been a cynic when I
think when it comes to life after death, The sort
of like practical side of me is like there's nothing,
it's just it's the sopranos. But I have had weird
experiences after losing certain people in my life that I
cannot explain. I've tried, and I take comfort in science, right,
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and I take comfort and the idea that energy can
neither be created nor destroyed. And I think that that
holds true for whatever we are, right, not what we
know ourselves to be or think ourselves to be, but
what we don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I've had some really really eye opening experiences that I
can't explain that at least give me solace and leave
the door open that maybe I'm not as smart as
I think I am, and maybe I don't know what
I don't know, and I'm open to that. And I'm
also like, completely cool if it's just it's done.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
This may be two past, so I completely understand. But
is there any of those experiences you would be willing
to share?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah? I was. I've never shared this story before, thank you.
So this is one of the weirder ones. We had
a real tragedy a couple of years back that I
haven't spoken much about, where I lost my nephew. Suddenly.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I'm very sorry, man.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, thank you. This is a real fucked up podcast
you run here. This is just a real depressing joint
you got going here, right, Chips, this is tough. This
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is why everyone does Joe Rogan instead of whatever the
fuck is happening here? So I was stunned, to say
the least. It was very sudden, it was brutal. His
name was Mark, beautiful soul, had this incredibly bright future
out of him, and then it all stopped. I had
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been given the name of a psychic whose name I
won't mention out of respect for this person along. But
you know, a while before this all happened, I had
had a reading with her and it was very interesting.
It was it color me skeptical, but I wanted to
have the experience because others have to have the experience.
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And said it's really life changing, and I was like, okay,
I didn't find it to be life changing. I didn't
find it. I thought it was interesting. So when Marco died,
she reached out to me and she said, I'm very
sorry about your loss. I want you to know he's
still with you, and I want you to look for
a sign from a bird. And I was deeply offended
by this. I thought it was manipulative. I thought it
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was frankly fucked up, because like, you can find meaning
in a bird shitting on you, and that that's sort
of like, oh, okay, there you go, I guess so
I was like, out of sight, out of mind. I
didn't like that. A week later, two weeks later, we're
in New Zealand and we're I'm shooting a project called
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Wolf Like Me. And a couple of weeks before I
start shooting, I decide I'm going to take my wife
and her family and go to New Zealand along with
my family so we can all decompress. We're staying at
this beautiful lodge and we're having breakfast on this veranda
one day and there's this giant window and as we're
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sitting there, all of a sudden, I hear a loud
thud against the window. My youngest daughter is he starts
crying and screaming and says, oh my god, a bird
just flew into the window. Is it hurt? Is it hurt?
And almost like, I'm sure it's not hurt, Sure it's fine.
So my girls and I walk outside. We're accompanied by
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a gentleman who works there at the lodge, and he
picks up the bird and he says, you know, it's okay,
it's just stunned, and the bird stares at at my
daughters and I and we're just sort of comforting it.
And about two minutes in, some very weird happens. This
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bird sits up and all of a sudden, it flies
on to the shoulder of my youngest just kind of
stares into her eyes. Then it flies to Ava and
it just takes her in and literally Brett just like
looks into her eyes, like looks into her soul. And
then it flies onto me and does the same thing.
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And this happens with the family with all four of us, me,
my daughter's, my wife, stares into my eyes, stares into
her eyes. It then goes back onto the guy who
was helping it come to and almost like it woke
up from a daze, it became a bird again, flew
off and I'm like, that was really strange. He goes,
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I have never seen that happen before. This other guy
comes up to us, who works at this lodge, and
he goes, you know, I have never seen that. I've
worked here for thirty years, and that species is a
very rare species of bird that we never see. I
believe it's called a silver eye, and you don't find
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them here. In my thirty years of being here, I've
maybe seen them twice. They're very elusive and they have
no interactions with people. And he was talking about some
sort of mythology about the bird, which I'm not going
to bore your listeners with, but he goes, that was
the strangest thing I've ever seen happen. And the truth
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is it is probably coincidence. But the reality is, I
cannot tell you how much comfort I took from that experience.
I cannot tell you how much comfort my kids took
from that experience. About a year later, my brother in law,
whose son is the one who died, was staying at
our house and he would grill, and every day a
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hummingbird would fly up to him and just be by
his side. I take comfort in it. I probably just
birds being birds, but man, was it full of enough
possibility that it put my heart at ease a little bit.
And I thought it was beautiful. And I'm so grateful
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for this person reaching out to me and telling me
this and for the experience that I had, because I
do like to think that like his energy's still out
there and that this was one way of celebrating it.
Another very weird thing is my grandfather always used to
say this phrase I love you. I love you. I
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love you very well. If I had a peanut, i'd
give you the shell. Every time I walk everywhere, I
will find one solitary peanut shell, one just waiting for
me my same with my mom, same with my brothers.
It is the weirdest thing. Cannot explain it. And it's
always when we're in need of something. So I've had
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experiences that I can't explain and and I'm not looking
to prove. I just see them as experiences and go
maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Not wow, wow, man, I mean I think we should
end it there. No, I think that's so beautiful. And
also it's stuff like that and what you took from
it that I'm always like, well, there's there's the truth.
Like I'm like, there is a heaven. There is a heaven,
and you're going to it. You're going into it sounds
so don't worry about it. And heaven is filled with
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your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
That's that sandwich that I had the day that I uh, well,
that I die.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Or anything that killed you all right is filled with footlong.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Never told you the type of sale much, man, Listen,
I never told you the type of.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Jesus, I didn't know they made two foot.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Uh you know what, you know what heaven is. Heaven
is my kids, it's my family, it's my it's the
joy of what I get to do. It's wait, you know,
I don't want I don't want you to tell because
I don't want to go on a bull like we're
not doing like a fucking afterlife special here. But I'm
curious if you've had experiences I have.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yes, great, I have. I'm I'm molin.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I think, I think I'm leaning all in. I think
I I love that I've come to this place from
a place of cynicism.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, I did too, because I didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Want to believe. And I'm like, oh shit, there's like
some weird stuff in this universe that don't I can't
explain it. I like that, Like I like that I
can't explain it.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I sort of think on the simplest level, but I
speak because I used to be like hardcore, your cynical,
but then things started happening. And also the ship when
people say, well, you know, if you prove it, then
prove it. And I sometimes sort of want to go
look at the sun, like what like look at a
sunset and then tell me prove it. I go, like,
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it's fucking magic. I don't know, like that is beyond
you can say, well it's this and this and this, Well,
why does it feel profound if it's just stuff that? Yeah?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, that is it. The beauty of life is the
evidence of itself.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, I sort of thing that. Anyway, you're going to heaven.
Thank you for sharing that story. That's really really, really beautiful,
and I'm very sorry for your lost Thank you. In heaven,
everyone is very excited see you. But your kids are there.
There's foot long sandwages everywhere and none of them will
kill you. It's really nice. Thank you, and everyone want
to see but they want to talk about your life
through philm And the first thing they.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Asked, I love that everyone, and I love that. Everyone
in heaven is like, we just have won it. We've
been waiting, so we should just talk about film.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Well, they're like, we read your we read your memoirs.
There's very little tools of films, you'd say, because they
get it. There's like a publisher that does it up
there too, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they you know,
it's a handreading from the Afterlife to life when they
read your book. But they read it, Okay, it's a
great book, but I do wish he talked more about
cinema visits.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
So they're like critics critics in Heaven. They've got like okay,
they're like it's great, but there's just some ship that
I think you.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Could have done.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, okay. They've also read Andrew's book and they're comparing
it to that.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Andrew talks a lot more about films we've seen, and
the first thing they want to know is, why is
the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Josh kad This is a question that haunts me because
I don't have that. As much as I want to
tell you, anything I tell you is fuzzy. So let
me tell you the first few I remember seeing. I
remember seeing The Wizard of Oz, I remember seeing the
Karate Kid. I remember seeing The Goonies. I remember seeing
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a movie called The Great Mouse Detective, and I remember
seeing Back to the Future. Now my first vivid memory
in a movie theater is weird. I remember we went
to go see my We were visiting my mom one
day at work and my brother's like, we're gonna go
see Karate Kid in the theater and I'm like, no,
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I've seen the Karate Kid a bunch of times. It's like, no,
it's karate Kid two. And I didn't understand the concept
of a sequel, and I was super pissed because I
was like, if we're going to the movies, I want
to see a new movie. He's like, you fucking idiot,
it is a new movie. And then we go and
I don't know if you remember the beginning of karate
Kid two, but it's literally a recap of karate Kid one.
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And I remember sitting in the theater being like, what
the fuck they took all the best parts and just
edited them together. What is this garbage? I was so angry.
And then I remember my mind being blown because all
of a sudden, like it's moments after Daniel beats Johnny
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and they're in like the bathroom and like, I'm like, wait, wait,
this was never in Karate Kid. And I remember my
mind being blown that there were further adventures of Daniel
Lorusso mister Miagi, and I was like, this is dope,
this is incredible stories. Can continue keep doing this for
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the rest of my life? In Hollywood, listen, they're like
we're gonna if you like this, just wait, We're only
gonna do this.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Fuck, it's all your fault in it. It's all your
fault to one survey when you left the cinema. Yeah,
just what, We're of the same forever.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Please, it's such a bummer. But like that's when, like then,
all of a sudden, I remember every movie I saw,
so I like I remember sitting in the theater. I
can vividly remember the experiences of watching movies like look
Who's talking? Look Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade. I
remember seeing Back to the Future and then that to
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be continued on the screen, and then they gave you
a little clip of what Back to the Future three
was going to look like Howard the Duck. Like these
were movies I would go every week. I just wanted
to consume film.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
It does make you think, with the passion you're speaking
about and the memories you have, very weird that you
didn't write solely about this in your memoirs. But that's fine.
That is why we're doing Oh wow totally.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It hasn't even read it and already super critical of it.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
What is the film that scared you the most?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Do you like being scared, Josh kad fuck dude, vividly
remember this one four years old, my brother and his friends,
our garage was converted into a den and I walk
in and there's a bus. I'll never forget this, and
the bus is like driving through like this other world
like hell like environment. And that was my first time
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I ever saw Freddy Krueger and Nightmare on Elm Street.
They have rented it. That movie fucked me up so
hard being four years old and walking in on that movie.
And then similarly, my brothers and their friends watched Little
Shop of Horrors. Between that plant and that Nightmare, Edward Scissorhands, fucker,
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I was messed up. I was like, but then I
craved more of it, right like. So you know, my
best friend Seth Gable and I as kids, I remember
we rented all six or at the time, all five
Nightmare on Elm Street movies, even the movie The People
Under the Stairs. I don't know if you remember that, Jim. Yeah,
there was that crazy weird movie The Gate where the
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kid has like an eyeball in his hand and he
like has to stab it with like a glass yard
and I would as terrified as I was I wanted more?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, I get it. Oh, I get it?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
So yeah. I definitely like Chasing the Scares?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
What a about crying? What's the film made you cry? Am?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I see you a crier? A big time? But two
movies stand out to me. Ordinary People, Mmm, good movie
in terms of endearment. Ordinary People is incredible. And there
was another movie that fucked me up so hard called
My Life. Do you remember My Life?
Speaker 1 (40:19):
With Michael Keay and then Nick Nicole Kimmen while he's
making videos because he's dying, he's making videos for his day.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That movie is not okay. That is a not okay
thing to do as a movie. Like the whole premise
of the movie is is this podcast? It's the conceit
of this podcast, which is you're gonna die, you know
how you're gonna die, and when you're gonna die, and
you're making a movie for your kid who's never going
to get to fucking meet you. Yeah, not okay.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, that's the guy who wrote Ghost I think directed.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
That with the guy who played Beetlejuice correct.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, yeah, obsessed with death, obsessed with death.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I'm always fascinated by those like writer directors who you
like home run after home run and then just quietly
peace out, like what's his name? Who did Field of Dreams?
And Sneakers an unbelievable movie two Bangers Bangers. Sneakers is
one of the most underrated movies I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Degree Sneakers is one of them films that I think
of like School of Rock, where Sneakers looks like a
lot of films. You've seen that type of film, but
it is so perfect you realize that that type of
film is to do. That's it until you see Sneakers.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
It is like it's a It's an even better version
of Ocean's eleven, like really, like it's like it's like
the original mission impossible. Like it's just fucking great and
a great.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Cast, charming and funny.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Oh we should do it. Let's do a remake of Sneakers. Okay,
this is it. Okay, this is where it was born,
is where the idea was born. Here post my death.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
After he died, then made it the boot it was.
It was just it was sort of Bernie Sneakers, like yeah,
dead for the whole but really, but it's president. You
can feel it. Yeah, he's still charismatic. He was incredibly charismatic.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
He's actually at his most care He was his most
charismatic with a little formaldehyde in his body. That's when
he really came to life finally. Yeah, really big.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, it's like really scary. They stare, they were scary,
but mesmeric.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
In depth in in death. That actor's eyes finally came
to life. It's going to be the starting quote of
New York Times. Yeah, it's great. Love it.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
What is the film that you love? It is not
critically acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Where do I even start? That is such a good question,
because they're so fucking many. Well, The Doonies is not
a critically beloved film. I would call it a perfect film.
I absolutely love The Goonies. I think that Indiana Jones
in the Temple of Doom is a unbelievably weird and
beautiful film. It's got plenty of flaws, but it is
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just weird, and I love that he lives into the
dark weirdness. There is a movie that so I'm an
ambulan kid, like I imagine in many ways you were
brought up and I think that in many ways Steven
Spielberg raised me. And there's a movie that I think
is his like opus that nobody talks about. And it's
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a movie called The Empire of the Sun. And this
movie is really famous because you know, it was an
unbelievable young actor who would later go on to play Batman,
an American psycho by the name of Christian Bale. Incredible
performances by John Malkovich, one of the most unbelievable scores
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by John Williams, with this haunting sort of like a
chorl kind of it's like he was doing what Hans
Zimmer does for a living now, like in this film.
And there was just something speaking of haunting about the
movie that just haunted me as a child, like it's
the story of this boy who separated from his parents.
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Are there British expats living in Japan or China rather
during the occupation And it's just incredible. I watched that
film again and again as a child and come back
to it now and I'm like, how is this film
not more revered.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
It's got a bit in it that has haunted me
forever where he says I can't remember what my parents
look like dead, I'm dead, I'm not dead.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
It's incredible. Who wrote Empire? This it's it's somebody.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Who did crash. It's based on his book, it's based
on his childhood, I think.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
But you know who wrote the screenplay? Is that Tom Stoppard?
There you go.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
On that film, that's it. Then that's it. Then that's it.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
That's me. Do I sound like one of your popmates
that ship?
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Then? See what is the film that you used to love?
You've watched it recently? You for I don't like this anymore?
A good question. Fuck, that is such a good question.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
There's so many of them, but I feel bad saying
them out loud where I'm like, woof, this did not
hold up well. I mean, Revenge of the Nerds is
a tough watch, brother, like it's it's a tough watch.
Now Brown British died. There's there's some fucking god, there's
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just some let's call them problematic films now that weren't
problematic when they came out, but probably should have been. Yeah,
a lot of these movies I'll like rewatch showing my kids.
You know one that I've come full circle on that
I was like, this is a great movie. This is
a whole horrible film. Oh, this is a really cool movie.
Ridley Scott's legend interesting, so weird. It is so weird,
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and I checked out on it and then I revisited
it with my daughter and she was mesmerized, and I
was like, so, I was right, okay, like it is cool.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
It's a mess, but it's cool. What is the film
that means the mice to you? Not necessarily the film
itself is good, but because the experience you had seeing
it will always make it meaningful to you.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Just Cat, that's beautiful, Aladdin, Aladdin. I remember seeing that
movie ninety two, November ninety two, and I literally turned
to my mother and I've said this story many times,
but it still holds true, and I said, I want
to do that one day. And I was talking about
Robin Williams iconic performance. A performance is the genie, and
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I just remember sitting in that theater and feeling this
electricity soaring through my body of that comic tour de
force that was like a superpower. I was laughing so hard.
I was so mesmerized, and I wanted to do that.
I want I dreamed of one day being a Disney character,
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comic relief sidekick. So that movie you fuckingly did it.
I did it. Yeah, so that was crazy wow. I
also vividly remember I have so many great memories sitting
in the theater. I remember the first time I saw
Jurassic Park, and it just changed my relationship with movies
in that like that was the first time I really
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asked out loud, how did they do that? Like the
magic of it? I think was the first time that
I like sat back and go I went, you know,
because remember I was born in eighty one, so like
I missed the real Star Wars experience in theaters. I
had like, you know, the you know re releases, and
I had Return of the Jedi. But I was fairly young,
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so Jurassic was like the first movie along with Terminator two,
where I was like what am I watching and how
are they doing this? I didn't have any relationship with
what I was seeing where I was like it was
like a magic act, and I remember just being like,
holy fucking shit.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I remember seeing Tim at the cinema when I was
young and being like, fuck it out, this is something
so incredible. What is the film? You must relate to.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Plain streams and automobile maybe, like I see a lot
of myself in that John Candy character, whereas there's like
a there's like a joyfulness but inside of real sadness sometimes,
you know. I think in many ways I relate to
National Lampoon's vacation. Oh, that's sort of like the way
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I see the chaos of my family and my life.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
I think there are pieces of myself I see in
many films, but not like one film that stands out
as like this film is me. So it's more of
like an amalgamation of films that I point to and like, oh,
that part of me is in that, and that part
of me is in that, you know, like my relationship
with my guy friends I think of like stand by me,
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and like there's just like I don't know, there's just
different elements I see in everything.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
What's the sexiest film I've ever seen? Oh? God, the
sexiest film I've ever seen? How fuck do I even
answer that?
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Ghost that is a sexy movie movie? I mean it
then like gets unsexy pretty quick, but I'm.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Thinking about play getting hard quickly.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's just dirty, like it just becomes dirty.
I'll tell you that. The sexiest movie I regret seeing
in a theater was Unfaithful with my Mother.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
That's a sexy fucking movie.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
That is a sexy movie, and I just would not
recommend seeing that in the theater next to your mom.
It was tough.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
That was tough. It was just a fucking two of
us night night.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Oh yeah. And I think I picked it because I
just read great reviews, but I didn't read what the
movie was about.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
If only there were a clue, well.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I just back then, I would see, like four stars.
Sun Sentinel gives it four stars. It looks like a winner.
That is why Rotten Tomatoes really took over, because these
pesky newspaper clips were just too hard to read.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
It with too many kids going with their mom to
see sex films, I said, we need to fix this.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
This movie Mom's got five stars. It's called basic instinct.
I think we should give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
There's a sub category to this question, Josh troubling boners,
worrying why does the film you found arousing You weren't
sure you should?
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Oh man, I fucking hate I definitely remember my first
boner was see.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
This is this? Is this?
Speaker 2 (50:51):
So I'm going to take a I'm going to take
a different approach to this answer than a lot of
your guests. Fast Times at Ridgemont High because I had
to live with that knowledge. Then working with Kevin Klein
on a movie and being paid a visit by his wife,
who I had this experience of quite frequently as a child,
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that was problematic. Answer, Yeah, it's not your usual answers
like this is a problematic movie, you know?
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Answer? How did you cope?
Speaker 2 (51:26):
How did I cope? I just I just didn't tell anybody.
I didn't tell them until now.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
It doesn't matter. You're dead. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
I'm dead. Kevin would kill me if I were alive,
so I'm happy that I'm gone. This is the only
part of the conversation that's going to be picked up
on by like People magazine. Josh Kadd claims that he
got multiple bonus to Kevin Klein's wife, joined joining millions
of others.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Boy, what is objectively the greatest film of all time?
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Might not be your favorite? Godfather Too? Actually, I would
say Godfather one Godfather too. I don't think you can
or should separate them. I think that they are one
complete masterpiece. You will not talk about Godfather three, but
I do think that those two films are just perfect.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
They are perfect. Have you watched the new Godfather three
the re edit or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
I've heard it's excellent. I haven't had the courage yet.
I don't want to be let down. I want to
believe it's great, so I've sort of like just imagined
it's great. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
We should do it together? Okay, maybe maybe maybe when
we get back from the game, when we're on the
try and go back to your flat and we'll watch it.
Then we'll just see what. Maybe a couple of hooligans
will come over and we'll just watch.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
While my kids the direct while we're one of the
most perfect films ever, very arrogantly.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
It's like, do you remember when the shot for shot remake?
Then nobody, we don't. Nobody talks about this enough. The
shot remakes of Psycho just go away. We just imagine
having such steel balls that you're like, I know it's
a perfect film, but watch I'm going to redo it
completely and kind of redo it in color. But at
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one scene where Vince Von masturbates on camera.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, it did improve it.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Well. Hitchcock called that the scene that got away?
Speaker 1 (53:44):
What is god? Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (53:46):
By the way? Am I wrong about the Godfather films.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
I you know what, are you?
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Citizen canning me? No?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
I think Don't Look Now is objectively the greatest film.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Your objectivity is different?
Speaker 2 (54:00):
You're wrong in many ways. This is a profoundly wrong answer.
But yeah, I get it, I get it. Do you
know now? Wait a second? Yeah, can I can? I
take a different approach to that? Can I go back?
Do you allow backdracking when you're dead? It depends, well, yeah,
because you can sort of. There is no time.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah, I can.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Do whatever I want. My death, my rights, So let's
do it like this drama Godfather one too musical, Wizard
of Oz Singing in the Rain or Wizard of Oz.
You probably both answers are correct, right, Silent film? I
would say gold Rush. I think it's a masterpiece. Nice
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fantasy listens, Fellowship of the Ring Love sci Fi would
have to say Empire strikes Back and Aliens tie, and
then Action adventure would have to say Raiders.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Of the Lost Ark Arah, what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Exorcist, that's an one or Shining probably again a tie, comedy, comedy,
tie back to the future.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Roundhog Day? What is the film you could or have
watched the most over and over again.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
It is the Goonies. I have seen the Goonies probably
a thousand times. That's why, Like when I did Reunited Apart,
that was the first movie I did because it was
the one I watched the most. Kid, remember that that
was it I was. I watched it and Back to
the Futures a close second of just every time they're on,
I could watch them.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
What is the worst film you've ever seen? This is
a tough one.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
God, probably Garbage Pail Kids.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
It is. It is very weird, very weird, very weirdy weird.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Now you know what else is just a fucking nightmare
of a movie. Do you remember Congo? As excited as
I was by seeing Michael Crichton's Furassic Bargain in the theater.
That's how excited I was to leave early in the
middle of Congo. That was my first time as a
as a person coming of age, that I realized you
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have the freedom to walk out of the theater if
what you've paid for is not quite good enough. And
I was like, I can no longer be a part
of this.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Interesting during comedy, you're very funny, But what's the film
that made you laugh the most?
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Just kad the hardest. I remember laughing in a movie theater.
There's three films that I remember actually falling out of
my seat, my cousin Vinny, South Park, Bigger, Better Uncut, Yes,
and Borat. Those are the three memories I have of
actually like convulsing of laughter to the point that I
(56:39):
just couldn't be And I have a sturdy ass. So
for me to like project for a seat to project,
I'll vomit me out takes a lot.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Good. That's pretty good. Before we get to the patroon section,
can we talk about your new film which I've seen.
My very good friend Nora kat Patrick made a treatment
into wis. It's very very good. Please tell us about it.
I don't know when it's coming out, but one day soon,
so let's have a little chat about it.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
Well, we made it for just friends of Nora. We
just wanted to like do an experimental film where like
only certain people are allowed to watch it, nobody else.
Speaker 1 (57:14):
So grateful I made that list. It's fucking brilliant.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
People usually do movies for the masses, and we're like,
what if we do it for the for the minuses.
So it's a it's a movie, really what you know,
it's a movie about about relationships and about the sort
of difficulty of monogamy and the and the you know,
the things that we sometimes leave unsaid that we should say,
(57:39):
and the idea of like having to confront her truths
when those hard truths are presented to you. So, you know,
the inciting incident of the movie is that we're visiting
this cabin in the woods for a weekend as we're
snowed in, and me and my best friend are walking
back and see our significant others having sex with each other,
(58:01):
and then it's the what do you do now with
that information? Yeah, and it's just a great sort of
movie about people. Like it's just as as novel as
that sounds. There's something actually really special in the simplicity
of it because it's just all about like performance and
it's all about us getting to do incredible dialogue as
written by this brilliant writer or Kirkpatrick, And it was
(58:24):
just it was a joy, I mean, working with d
V Diggs, Alexandra Di Dario and Ashley Park and Nora
was just like it was a dream in the middle
of nowhere in Utah. So probably coming out this year,
we're very I'm very happy with it. She's brilliant. I
love her.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
She is brilliant. She really is brilliant. Josh Gatt, you
have an absolute joy. However, oh god, when you would
and you were eating two foot long and it was
filled with meat and bananas, it was do you fo subway?
(59:03):
And then you were meat and you were driving around.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Sort of like sexual proclivities, do.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
You You were driving the corner of a cliff holland, yeah,
and you you lifted it up because you were trying
to get more banana and meat into your mouth.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
And I don't like the way you're I don't like
the way you're motioning.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, you turned a bit and the truck came straight
towards you. You didn't see it, and you were and
then the truck hit you and.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
You roll cookie monster now down the cliff, roll down.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
The cliff exploded like in a movie that so it
was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. A lot of
people and they burning was cool. Okay, car exploded, but
you exploded from the bananas and banana and meat went
everywhere everywhere. Anyway. I was walking along Mareland with a coffin.
(59:56):
You know what I'm like, And I go Jesus, what
was the banana and meat factor? We explode like I No,
it was just this car fucking hell. So I crawled
down the cliff with the coffin. I get down there,
it's an absolute mess. It looks like something terrible has happened.
So I'm like, can you help me with Yeah, we
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fill up the coffin with You have to chop its
you up to get you all in it. You're all
in there. There's more of you than I was expected.
The coffin is absolutely rammed. There's only enough room in
there for me to slip one DV day into the
side for you to take across to the other side.
The other side. It's movie night every night. What film
are you taking to show your children in heaven with
the sandwiches when it is your movie night, Josh cad Go.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
My favorite part of this whole conceit okay, just putting
aside the truly horrific and graphic death you've given me
and the disgusting sandwich that killed me, something that rooms,
and the way everyone will look at me for the
rest of their lives. But the detail that stands out
(01:00:59):
to me, the stupidest detail, is that I took a DVD,
not even a Blu ray. I didn't even want something
that had like, you know, HD quality. I was like,
give me a shitty, outdated mode of watching something with
my banana meat in heaven because I don't I don't go,
(01:01:24):
I don't move on without a DVD machine. I live
solely in the late nineties, and that's what I want to.
I don't want to. Like if I could get my
fucking HND three D little hands on a laser disc player,
that's what I would do. But it's this DVD, okay,
So that movie would probably be rat tattooy fucking wonderful.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
What a great answer, and.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
We watch it on our we'd watch it on our
DVD together. It'd be like, kids, I'm so sad that
Brett sent you here before you were ready. I know
Daddy smells like him and banana, and also I know
we're watching this with like pretty bad aspect ratio and
low quality visuals.
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
It's a pirate it's a pirate copy as well.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
It's a pirated copy that we got in New York
City on the street. My dad once did that. He
came home to Florida. I would see my dad like
three times a year, and he'd always come with a gift,
and the gifts were usually very shitty. And one day
he brought me home alone two on a cassette tape
and it had like a copy of like the poster,
(01:02:31):
like a just a shitty sort of photo copy on
the cover, and it was like literally like a paper
that had been like pushed in. And I was like, Dad,
the movie just came out like three weeks ago. How
did you get it? He's like, I have my ways,
And I remember putting the VHS into the player and
it was just snow. My dad got fucking fleeced. They
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didn't even bother to like actually do a pirated version.
They were just like, oh no, we're just gonna send
you a blank video and you're gonna give us twenty bucks.
Really sucked.
Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Would suck? Listen the DVD does have on it if
someone filming on then, but it is there. Yeah, just
you've been wonderful. Would you like to tell people what
to look out for, or to listen to, or to
read in the coming months.
Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I want to tell people to look out for Brett
cold Seine. I think he's a problem and I think
he's coming for all of you. I think he's I
think he's the closest thing we have to like a
death eater where he just like collects souls.
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
But what about the work of Gad. Yeah, before I
take yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
On the Josh Gad front, I have a lovely book
all about my life before the car accident that I
would love you all to get your hands on, even
though it's available in Heaven called in Gad we Trust,
available for pre order right now, right it comes out right, yes,
but your listeners can just go online and they can
(01:04:01):
click a button.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Do it now.
Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
They can say pre order in gad we Trust. They
can do it right this second. They don't have I
don't know why they're not doing it right now. I
hope that it's weird. It's weird that they're being so
fucking lazy.
Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
They're trying to be present with the podcast, but you're
giving them permission to sort multitask well.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Do it. You're on your you're listening on your phone
or a DVD copy of this pod. Just take it,
take the second and do it. Go to Amazon in
gad we Trust, ga d simple, what's it?
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
What's it again?
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
In Gad we Trust?
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Press the button.
Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Do it now, smash that like button which is really
a purchase button hidden behind the like bude. And then
you know, we have a remake of Sneakers coming out,
which we're really excited about.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Yeah, we're very excited weekend Bernie Sneakers.
Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
We can at Sneakers.
Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
We got a Sneakers. You've been an absolute pleasure. Thank
you for the time. Oh yeah, we had a good Hey, this.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Has been more fun than going to Manu game many
and we have fun.
Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
We've had a right old time. Good day to you.
We're going to stop the recording. Goodbye. So that was
episode three hundred and thirty three. Head over to the
Patreon at patreon dot com forwards, asprect Ghosting for the
extra twenty minutes of chat seekers and video with Josh
gadd goes Apple Podcasts. Give us a five star rating.
Right about the film, it means the most of you
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and why A love the things reading very much helpful
numbers and we really appreciate it. Thank you very much.
Thank you so much to Josh for giving me his time.
Thanks to Scruby's pipping and distract some pieces of network.
Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia
and wil Ferrell's Big Money Players Network hosting it. Thanks
to Adamschison for the graphics and Leaves to lead them
for the photography. Come and join me next week for
another absolutely banging episode. But that is it for now.
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In the meantime, I hope you're all well, loads of love,
and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each other.
From back the last back back by the fast backs,
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A sack by us back by back backs, us back
us back back bat back past by back back last
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Look out, there's only films to be buried with. Hello,
and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
is Brett Colstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer,
a director at a windmill, and I love films. As Grace
(00:22):
Bonny once said, your joy is your greatest rebellion, which
should have been Marlon Brando's answer in the World One
instead of the much more vague what have you got?
Really good point, Grace, Thank you for sharing. Every week
I'm bu a special guest over. I tell them they've died,
then I get them to discuss their life through films
that meant that most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins,
Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone, and even Z Campbells. But this
(00:43):
week we have the brilliant actor, comedian, and singer and
now author Josh Gadd. All episodes of Shrinking season two
and season one are now available on Apple TV. Get
caught up on all of them before everyone spoils them
for you. You will fucking love them. Head over to
the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein
for the extra twenty minutes with Josh. We talk secrets,
(01:05):
We talk beginnings and endings. You get the whole episode
uncart Adfrey, and there's a video. Check it out over
at patreon dot com. Forward slash. Brett Goldstein so Josh gadd.
You might know him as the voice of Olaf from
Disney's Frozen. He was Elder Cunningham in the Book of Mormon,
and he recently starred on Broadway in Guttenburg. He's got
a new book out called in Gad. We trust you
know and love him from so many things. He's fucking brilliant.
(01:26):
I've never met him before. We recorded The sun Zoom
a couple of weeks ago and he was Sacha fucking delight.
You really are going to love this one. So that
is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy
episode three hundred and thirty three of Films to be
Buried With. Hello, I'm very excited. Oh hello, Welcome to
(01:56):
Films to be Buried With. It is me Brett Goldstein,
and I am joined today by a Mormoner, a snow man,
a beauty and the Beast, a Central Park creator is
soon to be hit director, a Frozener, a Guttenburger, a hero,
(02:18):
a tree falling in the Woods a legend. I can't
believe he's here. You can't believe it either, but I
promise he is. Please, welcome to the show. It's the amazing,
It's just good.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Now. How do I cheer for myself? You've you've really
given like you've done such an unbelievable job of setting
me up. If there's nobody else here, So do I
just start cheering?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah? You do the cheer? Yes, I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Me.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I sound great. I sound so good. I'd like to
meet this guy. He sounds cool.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Some of these credits are better than the actual films themselves.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And I missed out loads. I mean there was loads
to do. Josh Guy's pleasure to meet you. We've never
met before. Thank you for doing this. Oh how are you?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm great. I'm such a big fan of yours. I
get invited to do a lot of podcasts, and I
usually don't do them because now everybody's got a podcast
I wasn't. I'm not sure if you're aware of that,
but when your name came up, I said yes, yes, immediately.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I said it. That's nice. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You are a your certifiable genius, your genius act, your
genius writer.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Jesunds like a genius.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I want you to shaving himself on this sounds cool.
You've kept a lot of people in my home very happy,
including this guy, so thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well. You've kept a lot of people in my world,
in my family, very very very happy. And I and
I was thinking, I find it weird when I talk
to people who's thinking about like when you do a
musical thing that's very special to people, it is weird
how often your voice has been in my head? Do
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Like, yeah, because you can actually like listen to that
outside of the movie itself.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, yeah, And like luc of Mormon was like, what,
it's like one of my favorite sound I've listened to it.
Thank you man so much. And you're so fucking good
in it. And then and then you go off and
do Frozen. I mean it, don't stop with you do it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I love this you You're almost sounding like I do
when I try to do a British accent. I will
kind of love it. That's very sweet of you. I'm
going through it now in my house. We're It's wicked,
endlessly playing again and again. And I'm very good friends
with Cynthia and with Arianna incredible, and I'm like, I
(04:51):
now understand where I'm like, yeah, this is what happens,
like this becomes. It starts off really cool and then
you're like, can we listen to anything else? In your
kids are like no, we cannot.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
No, that's it. I wanted to ask you so many things.
One of them is, you made this show Central Park,
which is the hardest thing anyone could do. I loved
it so much. It's still going no finished.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
No. Unlike you and Ted Lasso, we did three seasons,
but they decided that that's it. They don't want anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We had the opposite with that and thought, my god,
no animated it's the hardest thing you can do. It's
a fucking music. It's a full musical every week. How
the hell do you do it? It's a musical. No, I'm
so so proud of it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
That was the challenge, the conceit, the desire to do
it was can you actually and successfully create a real
musical over the course of sixty episodes that every song,
No song feels like filler, every song feels earned. I
teamed up with the creator of Bob's Burger's Learn Bischard,
(05:59):
and we did it, and like, the key was the
secret sauce was that we got every episode we had
different artists come in and play with us. So you
had like Cyndi Lauper, and you had Y Cleft, and
you had like Big Boy. Like every episode Danny Elfman,
we just had this amazing group of outside musical influencers,
(06:22):
brilliant composers come in and just screw around and it
was heaven. And the soundtrack is just it's unbelievable. Past
was unbelievable. I'd invite you to come and be on
the show, but there is no show anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Brett. I'm devastated. But I also like, whenever I watched it,
I was like, this is so hard. I wondered if
when it ended you thought thank god.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
A part of me was like, yeah, this is it's time.
This became really really tough. But we had fun. It
was really fun. And I mean just having like Catherine
Hahn and Stanley Tucci, Titus Burgess, Kristen Bell. You know,
it was unbelievable. To the digs, we were very, very
(07:07):
very lucky.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay, next question for you about your musical and broadway career.
You've just done it, which I haven't seen yet unless
it's finished. Has it finished Gutenberg, you would have to
have a time machine. At this point, Kapinos said, to
haven't unlike Central Park, which you can.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And also I forgot to mention Emmy River Lampman, who's
incredible on that show. We finished Gutenberg last January and
it was incredible. It ran for five months, which was
the intention. They wanted to extend it, and I said
absolutely not, primarily because I don't think I could have
survived another week doing that show. But you know that's
(07:45):
my it's my brother Andrew Reynolds. We you know, did
Mormon together.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
How long did you do morement together?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So I was involved with Mormon from the beginning. So
we started workshopping at Brett in say two thousand and
nine or two thousand, somewhere around like two thousand and eight.
I write about this in my book and yet I
can't remember it. Somewhere around like two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight, we started workshopping at and every
(08:12):
time we did it we couldn't find the right elder price.
And we finally come to we're gonna we know we're
gonna go to Broadway. We're looking for the guy and
in walks his kid from Nebraska, Andrew Rynolds.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Wow, and he was just it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And he and I did the show together about a
year and a half and then both left around the
same time. So we've been looking a year and a half,
so we'd been looking to do something together. Ten years later,
this you know, incredibly insane show falls into our lap,
Gutenberg Musical, and it was tremendous. I mean it was.
We just had the time of our lives.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I imagine because I went to see bo a moment early,
like fairly early, like in the the first few months
of it or whatever, and genuinely, and I say this
in the bottom of my heart, it was the most
joy I love.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It if you were like, it was the biggest piece
of shit ever in my life.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And it was like the level of joy in the
room I'd never seen anything like it. I was like,
holy shit, Like the energy in the audience was like
it was because obviously I do stand up, but I've
never had no audios react like this. It was the
feeling of the subtext of the audience was we're happy, yeah,
(09:30):
but it was.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
It was it was And it was also how the
fuck did they get away with this, which I kept
asking myself. I was certain the show was going to fail.
There was no part of me that thought that there
would be an audience of theater patrons who would actually
(09:52):
legitimize what we were doing on that stage. There was
no part of me that could imagine a decade plus
later Horus being like, oh, I want to go to
the show where they talk about fucking frogs, and like,
not a single ounce of me thought it would last
more than three months. I was just a die hard
(10:12):
Tray and Mat fan. South Park was my jam still is,
and the idea of working with those guys, with Bobby Lopez,
who had created the music for Avenue Q, I was like, yeah,
it's just gonna be fun. We're just gonna have fun.
People are gonna be like this is insane, but but
like I've never laughed harder. And then it'll close and
(10:32):
then like all of a sudden, the show is becomes
cats and you're like, what, wait.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
What's no you mentioned it?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm like, it is weird, it's wild, it's wild.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And my question for you from Gudberg, I was fascinated
by people who do long term the theater. The theater
is the way we say that you did a year
and a half and I and I know from being
in the room, the energy, the joy, it must have
been incredible. Was any part in that year and a
half where you were like, fucking know, how do I
keep doing this? Like? How do you keep it fresh?
(11:06):
Or not get bored of?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
There's a reason I didn't come back to Broadway for
a decade. Right by the let's say, nine month mark,
I was done. I was leaving my body. I just
was thinking about anything but what was happening on stage.
I would fucking forget lines that I had done thousands
of times because I was just like I was in
(11:30):
two places at once. I was in like the literal
space and the metaphorical like space of what am I
doing tonight? And you just, like anything, it just becomes rote.
But you know, I was actually thinking about this yesterday
some reason. I actually we were on a text chain
all the Mormon casts still after all these years, and
(11:52):
I realized that like three people are still doing the
show that I have been doing it since we opened,
and I I tried to like poop myself of that,
and I was like, I can't believe that I was
complaining after nine months, and these guys have been doing
the same show for fifteen years. Oh my god, that
(12:13):
fifteen years they've been doing this show. That's unreal. God,
bless I don't that's god. I'm too I'm too adhd.
I can't like I'd be like, no, no way, no no.
That's why I was like, five months, wait, let's.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Do that now. I read Andrew's book that he did
last year. Was it You can criticize it if you
want to. No, I it charming. I found it charming
and funny. And now you you've written your own book.
I guess because you're too a competitive you like it. Yeah,
I got jealous.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I was like, I've got a computer. I can I
know how to do words, I can write sentences. So
I'm just all I need to do is convince a publisher.
And I and I somehow bamboozled you. Look I hate yeah,
worry they You know it's this idiot can do it
where it's me, where a team let me do it.
(13:04):
And it's been a you know, it's been an amazing journey.
It's sort of equated to therapy in front of a mirror.
If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It does. Yeah, I just I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I just discovered this about myself and I don't even
need to pay my therapist right now. A lot of
interesting insights like that I didn't know I knew about myself,
a lot of interesting sort of like memory holes that
I guess I've forgot about, and then like shaking loose
some of those memories, and also like going back to
(13:36):
the scene of the crime, and just like talking with
my parents and talking with like friends and like, wait,
this happened this way right. It was fascinating. It was
a fascinating journey. And you know, I I sort of
wanted I've always wanted to write something, but I wanted
to have a purpose. And you know what I sort
of realized, like the totality of my life has been
(13:56):
is that I always fall into this like position where everyone,
including myself, doubts me at times, and I pivot to
this place of challenging myself to do things I don't
think I'm capable of. And I want others to embrace
that sense of self ownership and self respect because I
think it's like it's valuable and important, and a lot
(14:19):
of times I think that we settle, we don't push
ourselves to like challenge ourselves to take risks, to take chances,
take leaps in life. And the most success I've had
in life is just like rolling the dice and being like,
I'm not going to do the status quo. I'm going
to do this weird ass Broadway musical instead of Modern Family,
which I was invited to do. And so I was like,
(14:43):
It's always been that way for me. It's always been like,
let me just I know, I feel like I'm touching fire,
but maybe it's good.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Wow, you and you didn't figure this out until you
write the book that that's what you did.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I really didn't. I really didn't. I never self reflect.
I'm always sort of like moving forward not looking back.
Part of it is because I'm like so anxiety prone
that like anytime I look back, I fear what I
might see. So this has been a great discussion about
movies that I want to be buried with. I don't
(15:16):
want I don't want to get there. I'm actually my
biggest fear is death. So the whole premise of this
podcast just it is like one big existential nightmare.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
If that's going to come about.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I really it didn't occur to me. Brett until I
fully sat down and embraced all of it. That that
is the theme, right, that that's sort of like the
summation of this journey that I've had, and you know whatever,
that's worth a reader. It's I don't ever ever think
to myself, oh, everybody should read about me. I actually
(15:53):
in the opposite, I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?
Why am I publishing a book? Oh my god? What
an embarrassment. But if I can even help like one
or two people who read the book and go holy shit,
like that's a worthwhile lesson, great, I will have done
my job.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It's all sharing in it. It's all sharing stuff. There's
the whole thing of I think it's Alan Bennett. This
is the highest thing about a book, And he said
the best. I fucking can't remember word for word, but
the quote is like when you read a book from
like one hundred and fifty years ago and you relate
to it, it is like a hand reaching out from
the past to shake yours. And I think that's a
really beautiful way of looking at it. I think these
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things are important.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Even if you did butcher that quote, which I expect
you did, Yeah, oh I did. I will tell you
the premise of that philosophy is beautiful. Like that is
a that is a profound I think it's part of
why I'm obsessed with history. I'm actually like, I haven't
I go to sleep that night listening to history podcasts
(16:54):
because I really take comfort in the past reaching out.
So I really do find that to be a very
valid idea of like what And by the way, I
think that too speaks to what we do for a living,
Like I always sort of am like in a state
of shocking disbelief that like I'm a part of this
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tradition right where I think about like my grandparents saw
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs in a movie theater
as kids. My mother saw snow White and the Seven
Dwarves in a movie theater A decade of decades later,
I saw snow White. Decades after that, my kids have
grown up with snow White, and like being a part
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of that legacy with Frozen and knowing that that movie
potentially will outlive me or you, being a part of
a show that is already in the lexicon of greatest
shows ever made. Those are the things And that's the
other element of my book that I talk about is
I've I've never chased a career. I've always chased a legacy.
I'm so afraid of death that I hope I mean
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something after I'm gone, and that's the real fear. And
so it's like for me, it's and it's why I
kind of love the subject of this podcast is, well,
what is the legacy? What is the legacy of these things?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Books?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Movies, your life?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
What Napoleon, Jesus, Gandhi? You know, these are people who
made such indelible marks that thousands of years on, dozens
of years on, whatever it may be, we're still writing
books about them, We're still talking about them, we're still
sharing those stories. And I think that that's so beautiful
(18:32):
that humanity can have such an impact that we can
we can drive these things that Homer and the fucking
Odyssey is something that like I still come back to
and go, this is a masterpiece, and like, what can
I learn from this? What can I do with this?
And how was this guy such a genius that he
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could write something that is as profound and meaningful in
twenty twenty four as it was the day he showed
Friend a copy of the Iliad. Okay read this isn't
any good. This is incredible that. That is an incredible sentiment.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Oh man, I had forgotten to tell you something, and
as you were talking about legacy, it occurred to me like,
oh fuck, I should have told him this earlier. But
you you've died. You're dead.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I'm dead now. Yeah, this is a weird way to
sort of find out on a podcast. Is a tough
way to learn that.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
As you say, everyone has a podcast now.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, it feels like this was always inevitable that I
would find out about my own death on a podcast. Ye,
but okay, all right? Also, way to bury the lead?
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Man?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Wait to bury the lead?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah? Fucking mad? Isn't it talk about a compliment? Sandwich?
Damn it? All right? How did you die?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well, buddy, you should ask may I have involved eating
and driving? Now, I will tell you that I'm not
proud of this, and I will tell you that the
sandwich was delicious with it, but the accident could have
been avoided.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It's sort of a defending your life way to go
kind of really sort of sad and pathetic, but hopefully
the beginning of self discovery and the next part of afterlife.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, so what it was like long, like it covered
your eyes, you were racing, or you were reaching for it,
or you just spilt a bit.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Wif that part of it is none of your goddamn business.
What I was eating, I'll take to my grave kind
of embarrassment out of self respect. Yeah, just know that
it was delicious, It was great. It was nothing any
of those weight loss drugs couldn't have helped with after
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the fact.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It just was what it was, right.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
But for that truck that I never saw coming because
I was looking down Jesus.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, So you do worry about death. You worry about
death on the daily, all the time, all the time. Way.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I vividly remember this starting when I was like maybe six,
and I woke up one night and I like recognized
in real time mortality and was like, wait, this won't
last forever. It's like the sheer act of opening my
eyes will end. And my heart started to race. I
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started to get like physically ill, and like started to
genuinely fear the unknown. I remember to the point that
like I didn't like there was a period where I
would only sleep in my mom's bed. I was so scared.
It was probably a byproduct of a couple of things.
My parents got divorced when I was like five years old,
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so like nothing has forever started to become like a yeah,
a mantra. We had an incredible caretaker who was a
part of our lives named Nellie. She died suddenly, and
my dad, who's got a real fucking way with words.
I remember like sitting on my mom's bed one night,
this was after the divorce, and my mom and I
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was like saying, like, so, I'm never gonna see Nellie again,
And my mom was handling it like as you should,
being like, well, we don't know. And then my dad
gets on the phone and he's like, no, she's gone,
She's dead. You're not gonna see her again, And I
was like, oh no, So like it was. I think
that was my first real, like again existential crisis where
(22:34):
I just I didn't know what I didn't know, and
that scared the life out of me. And I remember
like talking to therapists about it, and like, you know,
I think it made me a hypochondriac. It is like
a real genuine thing. I've since sort of like come
to more peace with it. I'm much more worried now
that I have kids, and I'm sure this is like
a common thing, like about their health and safety over
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my health and safety, but I still dread it. I
still fear it. We just lost my father in law suddenly,
thank you man.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
And you know, the thing that always fascinates me about
death is a lot of times it just happens in silence,
and there's no score that accompanies it. There's no you
know what I mean by that is like there you know,
there's there's no there's nobody there. A lot of times
there's nobody with you. There's nobody to memorialize the moment
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it just happens. And it's the smallness of that that
I think I fear so much, right, Like it's the
it's the quietude of it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's the just.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
No standing over. Yeah, that's uh, that's tough. Like that's
the especially like when your entire life is one of
giving to others. I think a part of why we
do what we do is because we're so scared of
being alone with our elves. And like that is my
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fear that it'll happen just like in the quietest of ways,
and I'll never see it coming, and then it'll be
over and I think that that's the part that I
struggle with.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well, luckily for you, it will be a very very
very noisy, huge car wreck with a truck, so it
won't be quiet. Don't need to worry about that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
No, that's like.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And how do you survived?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
The good news is that And it'll be gnarmally getting
my body out of that mess. And it'll be like
a Mama cast situation with like a fucking such lodge
down my throat, like tough the images because she didn't
they didn't have TMS back then, the images are going
to be fucked.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So yeah, I'm glad I could Tom Sawyer this bad
Boy with you and look back on the scene of
the crime. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
What do you think happens after you die? Do you
think that's enough today?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
What do I want to happen? Or what do I think?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
What do you think happens?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
All right? Well, I've always been a cynic when I
think when it comes to life after death, The sort
of like practical side of me is like there's nothing,
it's just it's the sopranos. But I have had weird
experiences after losing certain people in my life that I
cannot explain. I've tried, and I take comfort in science, right,
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and I take comfort and the idea that energy can
neither be created nor destroyed. And I think that that
holds true for whatever we are, right, not what we
know ourselves to be or think ourselves to be, but
what we don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I've had some really really eye opening experiences that I
can't explain that at least give me solace and leave
the door open that maybe I'm not as smart as
I think I am, and maybe I don't know what
I don't know, and I'm open to that. And I'm
also like, completely cool if it's just it's done.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
This may be two past, so I completely understand. But
is there any of those experiences you would be willing
to share?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah? I was. I've never shared this story before, thank you.
So this is one of the weirder ones. We had
a real tragedy a couple of years back that I
haven't spoken much about, where I lost my nephew. Suddenly.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I'm very sorry, man.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, thank you. This is a real fucked up podcast
you run here. This is just a real depressing joint
you got going here, right, Chips, this is tough. This
(26:43):
is why everyone does Joe Rogan instead of whatever the
fuck is happening here? So I was stunned, to say
the least. It was very sudden, it was brutal. His
name was Mark, beautiful soul, had this incredibly bright future
out of him, and then it all stopped. I had
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been given the name of a psychic whose name I
won't mention out of respect for this person along. But
you know, a while before this all happened, I had
had a reading with her and it was very interesting.
It was it color me skeptical, but I wanted to
have the experience because others have to have the experience.
(27:29):
And said it's really life changing, and I was like, okay,
I didn't find it to be life changing. I didn't
find it. I thought it was interesting. So when Marco died,
she reached out to me and she said, I'm very
sorry about your loss. I want you to know he's
still with you, and I want you to look for
a sign from a bird. And I was deeply offended
by this. I thought it was manipulative. I thought it
(27:51):
was frankly fucked up, because like, you can find meaning
in a bird shitting on you, and that that's sort
of like, oh, okay, there you go, I guess so
I was like, out of sight, out of mind. I
didn't like that. A week later, two weeks later, we're
in New Zealand and we're I'm shooting a project called
(28:14):
Wolf Like Me. And a couple of weeks before I
start shooting, I decide I'm going to take my wife
and her family and go to New Zealand along with
my family so we can all decompress. We're staying at
this beautiful lodge and we're having breakfast on this veranda
one day and there's this giant window and as we're
(28:36):
sitting there, all of a sudden, I hear a loud
thud against the window. My youngest daughter is he starts
crying and screaming and says, oh my god, a bird
just flew into the window. Is it hurt? Is it hurt?
And almost like, I'm sure it's not hurt, Sure it's fine.
So my girls and I walk outside. We're accompanied by
(28:59):
a gentleman who works there at the lodge, and he
picks up the bird and he says, you know, it's okay,
it's just stunned, and the bird stares at at my
daughters and I and we're just sort of comforting it.
And about two minutes in, some very weird happens. This
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bird sits up and all of a sudden, it flies
on to the shoulder of my youngest just kind of
stares into her eyes. Then it flies to Ava and
it just takes her in and literally Brett just like
looks into her eyes, like looks into her soul. And
then it flies onto me and does the same thing.
(29:45):
And this happens with the family with all four of us, me,
my daughter's, my wife, stares into my eyes, stares into
her eyes. It then goes back onto the guy who
was helping it come to and almost like it woke
up from a daze, it became a bird again, flew
off and I'm like, that was really strange. He goes,
(30:08):
I have never seen that happen before. This other guy
comes up to us, who works at this lodge, and
he goes, you know, I have never seen that. I've
worked here for thirty years, and that species is a
very rare species of bird that we never see. I
believe it's called a silver eye, and you don't find
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them here. In my thirty years of being here, I've
maybe seen them twice. They're very elusive and they have
no interactions with people. And he was talking about some
sort of mythology about the bird, which I'm not going
to bore your listeners with, but he goes, that was
the strangest thing I've ever seen happen. And the truth
(30:52):
is it is probably coincidence. But the reality is, I
cannot tell you how much comfort I took from that experience.
I cannot tell you how much comfort my kids took
from that experience. About a year later, my brother in law,
whose son is the one who died, was staying at
our house and he would grill, and every day a
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hummingbird would fly up to him and just be by
his side. I take comfort in it. I probably just
birds being birds, but man, was it full of enough
possibility that it put my heart at ease a little bit.
And I thought it was beautiful. And I'm so grateful
(31:35):
for this person reaching out to me and telling me
this and for the experience that I had, because I
do like to think that like his energy's still out
there and that this was one way of celebrating it.
Another very weird thing is my grandfather always used to
say this phrase I love you. I love you. I
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love you very well. If I had a peanut, i'd
give you the shell. Every time I walk everywhere, I
will find one solitary peanut shell, one just waiting for
me my same with my mom, same with my brothers.
It is the weirdest thing. Cannot explain it. And it's
always when we're in need of something. So I've had
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experiences that I can't explain and and I'm not looking
to prove. I just see them as experiences and go
maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Not wow, wow, man, I mean I think we should
end it there. No, I think that's so beautiful. And
also it's stuff like that and what you took from
it that I'm always like, well, there's there's the truth.
Like I'm like, there is a heaven. There is a heaven,
and you're going to it. You're going into it sounds
so don't worry about it. And heaven is filled with
(32:48):
your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
That's that sandwich that I had the day that I uh, well,
that I die.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Or anything that killed you all right is filled with footlong.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Never told you the type of sale much, man, Listen,
I never told you the type of.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Jesus, I didn't know they made two foot.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Uh you know what, you know what heaven is. Heaven
is my kids, it's my family, it's my it's the
joy of what I get to do. It's wait, you know,
I don't want I don't want you to tell because
I don't want to go on a bull like we're
not doing like a fucking afterlife special here. But I'm
curious if you've had experiences I have.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yes, great, I have. I'm I'm molin.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I think, I think I'm leaning all in. I think
I I love that I've come to this place from
a place of cynicism.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, I did too, because I didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Want to believe. And I'm like, oh shit, there's like
some weird stuff in this universe that don't I can't
explain it. I like that, Like I like that I
can't explain it.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I sort of think on the simplest level, but I
speak because I used to be like hardcore, your cynical,
but then things started happening. And also the ship when
people say, well, you know, if you prove it, then
prove it. And I sometimes sort of want to go
look at the sun, like what like look at a
sunset and then tell me prove it. I go, like,
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it's fucking magic. I don't know, like that is beyond
you can say, well it's this and this and this, Well,
why does it feel profound if it's just stuff that? Yeah?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, that is it. The beauty of life is the
evidence of itself.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, I sort of thing that. Anyway, you're going to heaven.
Thank you for sharing that story. That's really really, really beautiful,
and I'm very sorry for your lost Thank you. In heaven,
everyone is very excited see you. But your kids are there.
There's foot long sandwages everywhere and none of them will
kill you. It's really nice. Thank you, and everyone want
to see but they want to talk about your life
through philm And the first thing they.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Asked, I love that everyone, and I love that. Everyone
in heaven is like, we just have won it. We've
been waiting, so we should just talk about film.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Well, they're like, we read your we read your memoirs.
There's very little tools of films, you'd say, because they
get it. There's like a publisher that does it up
there too, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they you know,
it's a handreading from the Afterlife to life when they
read your book. But they read it, Okay, it's a
great book, but I do wish he talked more about
cinema visits.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
So they're like critics critics in Heaven. They've got like okay,
they're like it's great, but there's just some ship that
I think you.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Could have done.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, okay. They've also read Andrew's book and they're comparing
it to that.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Andrew talks a lot more about films we've seen, and
the first thing they want to know is, why is
the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Josh kad This is a question that haunts me because
I don't have that. As much as I want to
tell you, anything I tell you is fuzzy. So let
me tell you the first few I remember seeing. I
remember seeing The Wizard of Oz, I remember seeing the
Karate Kid. I remember seeing The Goonies. I remember seeing
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a movie called The Great Mouse Detective, and I remember
seeing Back to the Future. Now my first vivid memory
in a movie theater is weird. I remember we went
to go see my We were visiting my mom one
day at work and my brother's like, we're gonna go
see Karate Kid in the theater and I'm like, no,
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I've seen the Karate Kid a bunch of times. It's like, no,
it's karate Kid two. And I didn't understand the concept
of a sequel, and I was super pissed because I
was like, if we're going to the movies, I want
to see a new movie. He's like, you fucking idiot,
it is a new movie. And then we go and
I don't know if you remember the beginning of karate
Kid two, but it's literally a recap of karate Kid one.
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And I remember sitting in the theater being like, what
the fuck they took all the best parts and just
edited them together. What is this garbage? I was so angry.
And then I remember my mind being blown because all
of a sudden, like it's moments after Daniel beats Johnny
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and they're in like the bathroom and like, I'm like, wait, wait,
this was never in Karate Kid. And I remember my
mind being blown that there were further adventures of Daniel
Lorusso mister Miagi, and I was like, this is dope,
this is incredible stories. Can continue keep doing this for
(37:27):
the rest of my life? In Hollywood, listen, they're like
we're gonna if you like this, just wait, We're only
gonna do this.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Fuck, it's all your fault in it. It's all your
fault to one survey when you left the cinema. Yeah,
just what, We're of the same forever.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Please, it's such a bummer. But like that's when, like then,
all of a sudden, I remember every movie I saw,
so I like I remember sitting in the theater. I
can vividly remember the experiences of watching movies like look
Who's talking? Look Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade. I
remember seeing Back to the Future and then that to
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be continued on the screen, and then they gave you
a little clip of what Back to the Future three
was going to look like Howard the Duck. Like these
were movies I would go every week. I just wanted
to consume film.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
It does make you think, with the passion you're speaking
about and the memories you have, very weird that you
didn't write solely about this in your memoirs. But that's fine.
That is why we're doing Oh wow totally.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It hasn't even read it and already super critical of it.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
What is the film that scared you the most?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Do you like being scared, Josh kad fuck dude, vividly
remember this one four years old, my brother and his friends,
our garage was converted into a den and I walk
in and there's a bus. I'll never forget this, and
the bus is like driving through like this other world
like hell like environment. And that was my first time
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I ever saw Freddy Krueger and Nightmare on Elm Street.
They have rented it. That movie fucked me up so
hard being four years old and walking in on that movie.
And then similarly, my brothers and their friends watched Little
Shop of Horrors. Between that plant and that Nightmare, Edward Scissorhands, fucker,
(39:25):
I was messed up. I was like, but then I
craved more of it, right like. So you know, my
best friend Seth Gable and I as kids, I remember
we rented all six or at the time, all five
Nightmare on Elm Street movies, even the movie The People
Under the Stairs. I don't know if you remember that, Jim. Yeah,
there was that crazy weird movie The Gate where the
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kid has like an eyeball in his hand and he
like has to stab it with like a glass yard
and I would as terrified as I was I wanted more?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, I get it. Oh, I get it?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
So yeah. I definitely like Chasing the Scares?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
What a about crying? What's the film made you cry? Am?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I see you a crier? A big time? But two
movies stand out to me. Ordinary People, Mmm, good movie
in terms of endearment. Ordinary People is incredible. And there
was another movie that fucked me up so hard called
My Life. Do you remember My Life?
Speaker 1 (40:19):
With Michael Keay and then Nick Nicole Kimmen while he's
making videos because he's dying, he's making videos for his day.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That movie is not okay. That is a not okay
thing to do as a movie. Like the whole premise
of the movie is is this podcast? It's the conceit
of this podcast, which is you're gonna die, you know
how you're gonna die, and when you're gonna die, and
you're making a movie for your kid who's never going
to get to fucking meet you. Yeah, not okay.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, that's the guy who wrote Ghost I think directed.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
That with the guy who played Beetlejuice correct.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, yeah, obsessed with death, obsessed with death.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I'm always fascinated by those like writer directors who you
like home run after home run and then just quietly
peace out, like what's his name? Who did Field of Dreams?
And Sneakers an unbelievable movie two Bangers Bangers. Sneakers is
one of the most underrated movies I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Degree Sneakers is one of them films that I think
of like School of Rock, where Sneakers looks like a
lot of films. You've seen that type of film, but
it is so perfect you realize that that type of
film is to do. That's it until you see Sneakers.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
It is like it's a It's an even better version
of Ocean's eleven, like really, like it's like it's like
the original mission impossible. Like it's just fucking great and
a great.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Cast, charming and funny.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Oh we should do it. Let's do a remake of Sneakers. Okay,
this is it. Okay, this is where it was born,
is where the idea was born. Here post my death.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
After he died, then made it the boot it was.
It was just it was sort of Bernie Sneakers, like yeah,
dead for the whole but really, but it's president. You
can feel it. Yeah, he's still charismatic. He was incredibly charismatic.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
He's actually at his most care He was his most
charismatic with a little formaldehyde in his body. That's when
he really came to life finally. Yeah, really big.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, it's like really scary. They stare, they were scary,
but mesmeric.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
In depth in in death. That actor's eyes finally came
to life. It's going to be the starting quote of
New York Times. Yeah, it's great. Love it.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
What is the film that you love? It is not
critically acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Where do I even start? That is such a good question,
because they're so fucking many. Well, The Doonies is not
a critically beloved film. I would call it a perfect film.
I absolutely love The Goonies. I think that Indiana Jones
in the Temple of Doom is a unbelievably weird and
beautiful film. It's got plenty of flaws, but it is
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just weird, and I love that he lives into the
dark weirdness. There is a movie that so I'm an
ambulan kid, like I imagine in many ways you were
brought up and I think that in many ways Steven
Spielberg raised me. And there's a movie that I think
is his like opus that nobody talks about. And it's
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a movie called The Empire of the Sun. And this
movie is really famous because you know, it was an
unbelievable young actor who would later go on to play Batman,
an American psycho by the name of Christian Bale. Incredible
performances by John Malkovich, one of the most unbelievable scores
(43:53):
by John Williams, with this haunting sort of like a
chorl kind of it's like he was doing what Hans
Zimmer does for a living now, like in this film.
And there was just something speaking of haunting about the
movie that just haunted me as a child, like it's
the story of this boy who separated from his parents.
(44:15):
Are there British expats living in Japan or China rather
during the occupation And it's just incredible. I watched that
film again and again as a child and come back
to it now and I'm like, how is this film
not more revered.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
It's got a bit in it that has haunted me
forever where he says I can't remember what my parents
look like dead, I'm dead, I'm not dead.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
It's incredible. Who wrote Empire? This it's it's somebody.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Who did crash. It's based on his book, it's based
on his childhood, I think.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
But you know who wrote the screenplay? Is that Tom Stoppard?
There you go.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
On that film, that's it. Then that's it. Then that's it.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
That's me. Do I sound like one of your popmates
that ship?
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Then? See what is the film that you used to love?
You've watched it recently? You for I don't like this anymore?
A good question. Fuck, that is such a good question.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
There's so many of them, but I feel bad saying
them out loud where I'm like, woof, this did not
hold up well. I mean, Revenge of the Nerds is
a tough watch, brother, like it's it's a tough watch.
Now Brown British died. There's there's some fucking god, there's
(45:45):
just some let's call them problematic films now that weren't
problematic when they came out, but probably should have been. Yeah,
a lot of these movies I'll like rewatch showing my kids.
You know one that I've come full circle on that
I was like, this is a great movie. This is
a whole horrible film. Oh, this is a really cool movie.
Ridley Scott's legend interesting, so weird. It is so weird,
(46:08):
and I checked out on it and then I revisited
it with my daughter and she was mesmerized, and I
was like, so, I was right, okay, like it is cool.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
It's a mess, but it's cool. What is the film
that means the mice to you? Not necessarily the film
itself is good, but because the experience you had seeing
it will always make it meaningful to you.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Just Cat, that's beautiful, Aladdin, Aladdin. I remember seeing that
movie ninety two, November ninety two, and I literally turned
to my mother and I've said this story many times,
but it still holds true, and I said, I want
to do that one day. And I was talking about
Robin Williams iconic performance. A performance is the genie, and
(46:51):
I just remember sitting in that theater and feeling this
electricity soaring through my body of that comic tour de
force that was like a superpower. I was laughing so hard.
I was so mesmerized, and I wanted to do that.
I want I dreamed of one day being a Disney character,
(47:12):
comic relief sidekick. So that movie you fuckingly did it.
I did it. Yeah, so that was crazy wow. I
also vividly remember I have so many great memories sitting
in the theater. I remember the first time I saw
Jurassic Park, and it just changed my relationship with movies
in that like that was the first time I really
(47:35):
asked out loud, how did they do that? Like the
magic of it? I think was the first time that
I like sat back and go I went, you know,
because remember I was born in eighty one, so like
I missed the real Star Wars experience in theaters. I
had like, you know, the you know re releases, and
I had Return of the Jedi. But I was fairly young,
(47:58):
so Jurassic was like the first movie along with Terminator two,
where I was like what am I watching and how
are they doing this? I didn't have any relationship with
what I was seeing where I was like it was
like a magic act, and I remember just being like,
holy fucking shit.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I remember seeing Tim at the cinema when I was
young and being like, fuck it out, this is something
so incredible. What is the film? You must relate to.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Plain streams and automobile maybe, like I see a lot
of myself in that John Candy character, whereas there's like
a there's like a joyfulness but inside of real sadness sometimes,
you know. I think in many ways I relate to
National Lampoon's vacation. Oh, that's sort of like the way
(48:46):
I see the chaos of my family and my life.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
I think there are pieces of myself I see in
many films, but not like one film that stands out
as like this film is me. So it's more of
like an amalgamation of films that I point to and like, oh,
that part of me is in that, and that part
of me is in that, you know, like my relationship
with my guy friends I think of like stand by me,
(49:12):
and like there's just like I don't know, there's just
different elements I see in everything.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
What's the sexiest film I've ever seen? Oh? God, the
sexiest film I've ever seen? How fuck do I even
answer that?
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Ghost that is a sexy movie movie? I mean it
then like gets unsexy pretty quick, but I'm.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Thinking about play getting hard quickly.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's just dirty, like it just becomes dirty.
I'll tell you that. The sexiest movie I regret seeing
in a theater was Unfaithful with my Mother.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
That's a sexy fucking movie.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
That is a sexy movie, and I just would not
recommend seeing that in the theater next to your mom.
It was tough.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
That was tough. It was just a fucking two of
us night night.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Oh yeah. And I think I picked it because I
just read great reviews, but I didn't read what the
movie was about.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
If only there were a clue, well.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I just back then, I would see, like four stars.
Sun Sentinel gives it four stars. It looks like a winner.
That is why Rotten Tomatoes really took over, because these
pesky newspaper clips were just too hard to read.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
It with too many kids going with their mom to
see sex films, I said, we need to fix this.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
This movie Mom's got five stars. It's called basic instinct.
I think we should give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
There's a sub category to this question, Josh troubling boners,
worrying why does the film you found arousing You weren't
sure you should?
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Oh man, I fucking hate I definitely remember my first
boner was see.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
This is this? Is this?
Speaker 2 (50:51):
So I'm going to take a I'm going to take
a different approach to this answer than a lot of
your guests. Fast Times at Ridgemont High because I had
to live with that knowledge. Then working with Kevin Klein
on a movie and being paid a visit by his wife,
who I had this experience of quite frequently as a child,
(51:15):
that was problematic. Answer, Yeah, it's not your usual answers
like this is a problematic movie, you know?
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Answer? How did you cope?
Speaker 2 (51:26):
How did I cope? I just I just didn't tell anybody.
I didn't tell them until now.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
It doesn't matter. You're dead. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
I'm dead. Kevin would kill me if I were alive,
so I'm happy that I'm gone. This is the only
part of the conversation that's going to be picked up
on by like People magazine. Josh Kadd claims that he
got multiple bonus to Kevin Klein's wife, joined joining millions
of others.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Boy, what is objectively the greatest film of all time?
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Might not be your favorite? Godfather Too? Actually, I would
say Godfather one Godfather too. I don't think you can
or should separate them. I think that they are one
complete masterpiece. You will not talk about Godfather three, but
I do think that those two films are just perfect.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
They are perfect. Have you watched the new Godfather three
the re edit or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
I've heard it's excellent. I haven't had the courage yet.
I don't want to be let down. I want to
believe it's great, so I've sort of like just imagined
it's great. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
We should do it together? Okay, maybe maybe maybe when
we get back from the game, when we're on the
try and go back to your flat and we'll watch it.
Then we'll just see what. Maybe a couple of hooligans
will come over and we'll just watch.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
While my kids the direct while we're one of the
most perfect films ever, very arrogantly.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
It's like, do you remember when the shot for shot remake?
Then nobody, we don't. Nobody talks about this enough. The
shot remakes of Psycho just go away. We just imagine
having such steel balls that you're like, I know it's
a perfect film, but watch I'm going to redo it
completely and kind of redo it in color. But at
(53:28):
one scene where Vince Von masturbates on camera.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, it did improve it.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Well. Hitchcock called that the scene that got away?
Speaker 1 (53:44):
What is god? Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (53:46):
By the way? Am I wrong about the Godfather films.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
I you know what, are you?
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Citizen canning me? No?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
I think Don't Look Now is objectively the greatest film.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Your objectivity is different?
Speaker 2 (54:00):
You're wrong in many ways. This is a profoundly wrong answer.
But yeah, I get it, I get it. Do you
know now? Wait a second? Yeah, can I can? I
take a different approach to that? Can I go back?
Do you allow backdracking when you're dead? It depends, well, yeah,
because you can sort of. There is no time.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah, I can.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Do whatever I want. My death, my rights, So let's
do it like this drama Godfather one too musical, Wizard
of Oz Singing in the Rain or Wizard of Oz.
You probably both answers are correct, right, Silent film? I
would say gold Rush. I think it's a masterpiece. Nice
(54:41):
fantasy listens, Fellowship of the Ring Love sci Fi would
have to say Empire strikes Back and Aliens tie, and
then Action adventure would have to say Raiders.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Of the Lost Ark Arah, what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Exorcist, that's an one or Shining probably again a tie, comedy, comedy,
tie back to the future.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Roundhog Day? What is the film you could or have
watched the most over and over again.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
It is the Goonies. I have seen the Goonies probably
a thousand times. That's why, Like when I did Reunited Apart,
that was the first movie I did because it was
the one I watched the most. Kid, remember that that
was it I was. I watched it and Back to
the Futures a close second of just every time they're on,
I could watch them.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
What is the worst film you've ever seen? This is
a tough one.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
God, probably Garbage Pail Kids.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
It is. It is very weird, very weird, very weirdy weird.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Now you know what else is just a fucking nightmare
of a movie. Do you remember Congo? As excited as
I was by seeing Michael Crichton's Furassic Bargain in the theater.
That's how excited I was to leave early in the
middle of Congo. That was my first time as a
as a person coming of age, that I realized you
(56:08):
have the freedom to walk out of the theater if
what you've paid for is not quite good enough. And
I was like, I can no longer be a part
of this.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Interesting during comedy, you're very funny, But what's the film
that made you laugh the most?
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Just kad the hardest. I remember laughing in a movie theater.
There's three films that I remember actually falling out of
my seat, my cousin Vinny, South Park, Bigger, Better Uncut, Yes,
and Borat. Those are the three memories I have of
actually like convulsing of laughter to the point that I
(56:39):
just couldn't be And I have a sturdy ass. So
for me to like project for a seat to project,
I'll vomit me out takes a lot.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Good. That's pretty good. Before we get to the patroon section,
can we talk about your new film which I've seen.
My very good friend Nora kat Patrick made a treatment
into wis. It's very very good. Please tell us about it.
I don't know when it's coming out, but one day soon,
so let's have a little chat about it.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
Well, we made it for just friends of Nora. We
just wanted to like do an experimental film where like
only certain people are allowed to watch it, nobody else.
Speaker 1 (57:14):
So grateful I made that list. It's fucking brilliant.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
People usually do movies for the masses, and we're like,
what if we do it for the for the minuses.
So it's a it's a movie, really what you know,
it's a movie about about relationships and about the sort
of difficulty of monogamy and the and the you know,
the things that we sometimes leave unsaid that we should say,
(57:39):
and the idea of like having to confront her truths
when those hard truths are presented to you. So, you know,
the inciting incident of the movie is that we're visiting
this cabin in the woods for a weekend as we're
snowed in, and me and my best friend are walking
back and see our significant others having sex with each other,
(58:01):
and then it's the what do you do now with
that information? Yeah, and it's just a great sort of
movie about people. Like it's just as as novel as
that sounds. There's something actually really special in the simplicity
of it because it's just all about like performance and
it's all about us getting to do incredible dialogue as
written by this brilliant writer or Kirkpatrick, And it was
(58:24):
just it was a joy, I mean, working with d
V Diggs, Alexandra Di Dario and Ashley Park and Nora
was just like it was a dream in the middle
of nowhere in Utah. So probably coming out this year,
we're very I'm very happy with it. She's brilliant. I
love her.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
She is brilliant. She really is brilliant. Josh Gatt, you
have an absolute joy. However, oh god, when you would
and you were eating two foot long and it was
filled with meat and bananas, it was do you fo subway?
(59:03):
And then you were meat and you were driving around.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Sort of like sexual proclivities, do.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
You You were driving the corner of a cliff holland, yeah,
and you you lifted it up because you were trying
to get more banana and meat into your mouth.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
And I don't like the way you're I don't like
the way you're motioning.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, you turned a bit and the truck came straight
towards you. You didn't see it, and you were and
then the truck hit you and.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
You roll cookie monster now down the cliff, roll down.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
The cliff exploded like in a movie that so it
was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. A lot of
people and they burning was cool. Okay, car exploded, but
you exploded from the bananas and banana and meat went
everywhere everywhere. Anyway. I was walking along Mareland with a coffin.
(59:56):
You know what I'm like, And I go Jesus, what
was the banana and meat factor? We explode like I No,
it was just this car fucking hell. So I crawled
down the cliff with the coffin. I get down there,
it's an absolute mess. It looks like something terrible has happened.
So I'm like, can you help me with Yeah, we
(01:00:16):
fill up the coffin with You have to chop its
you up to get you all in it. You're all
in there. There's more of you than I was expected.
The coffin is absolutely rammed. There's only enough room in
there for me to slip one DV day into the
side for you to take across to the other side.
The other side. It's movie night every night. What film
are you taking to show your children in heaven with
the sandwiches when it is your movie night, Josh cad Go.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
My favorite part of this whole conceit okay, just putting
aside the truly horrific and graphic death you've given me
and the disgusting sandwich that killed me, something that rooms,
and the way everyone will look at me for the
rest of their lives. But the detail that stands out
(01:00:59):
to me, the stupidest detail, is that I took a DVD,
not even a Blu ray. I didn't even want something
that had like, you know, HD quality. I was like,
give me a shitty, outdated mode of watching something with
my banana meat in heaven because I don't I don't go,
(01:01:24):
I don't move on without a DVD machine. I live
solely in the late nineties, and that's what I want to.
I don't want to. Like if I could get my
fucking HND three D little hands on a laser disc player,
that's what I would do. But it's this DVD, okay,
So that movie would probably be rat tattooy fucking wonderful.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
What a great answer, and.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
We watch it on our we'd watch it on our
DVD together. It'd be like, kids, I'm so sad that
Brett sent you here before you were ready. I know
Daddy smells like him and banana, and also I know
we're watching this with like pretty bad aspect ratio and
low quality visuals.
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
It's a pirate it's a pirate copy as well.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
It's a pirated copy that we got in New York
City on the street. My dad once did that. He
came home to Florida. I would see my dad like
three times a year, and he'd always come with a gift,
and the gifts were usually very shitty. And one day
he brought me home alone two on a cassette tape
and it had like a copy of like the poster,
(01:02:31):
like a just a shitty sort of photo copy on
the cover, and it was like literally like a paper
that had been like pushed in. And I was like, Dad,
the movie just came out like three weeks ago. How
did you get it? He's like, I have my ways,
And I remember putting the VHS into the player and
it was just snow. My dad got fucking fleeced. They
(01:02:53):
didn't even bother to like actually do a pirated version.
They were just like, oh no, we're just gonna send
you a blank video and you're gonna give us twenty bucks.
Really sucked.
Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Would suck? Listen the DVD does have on it if
someone filming on then, but it is there. Yeah, just
you've been wonderful. Would you like to tell people what
to look out for, or to listen to, or to
read in the coming months.
Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I want to tell people to look out for Brett
cold Seine. I think he's a problem and I think
he's coming for all of you. I think he's I
think he's the closest thing we have to like a
death eater where he just like collects souls.
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
But what about the work of Gad. Yeah, before I
take yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
On the Josh Gad front, I have a lovely book
all about my life before the car accident that I
would love you all to get your hands on, even
though it's available in Heaven called in Gad we Trust,
available for pre order right now, right it comes out right, yes,
but your listeners can just go online and they can
(01:04:01):
click a button.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Do it now.
Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
They can say pre order in gad we Trust. They
can do it right this second. They don't have I
don't know why they're not doing it right now. I
hope that it's weird. It's weird that they're being so
fucking lazy.
Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
They're trying to be present with the podcast, but you're
giving them permission to sort multitask well.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Do it. You're on your you're listening on your phone
or a DVD copy of this pod. Just take it,
take the second and do it. Go to Amazon in
gad we Trust, ga d simple, what's it?
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
What's it again?
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
In Gad we Trust?
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Press the button.
Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Do it now, smash that like button which is really
a purchase button hidden behind the like bude. And then
you know, we have a remake of Sneakers coming out,
which we're really excited about.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Yeah, we're very excited weekend Bernie Sneakers.
Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
We can at Sneakers.
Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
We got a Sneakers. You've been an absolute pleasure. Thank
you for the time. Oh yeah, we had a good Hey, this.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Has been more fun than going to Manu game many
and we have fun.
Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
We've had a right old time. Good day to you.
We're going to stop the recording. Goodbye. So that was
episode three hundred and thirty three. Head over to the
Patreon at patreon dot com forwards, asprect Ghosting for the
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gadd goes Apple Podcasts. Give us a five star rating.
Right about the film, it means the most of you
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and why A love the things reading very much helpful
numbers and we really appreciate it. Thank you very much.
Thank you so much to Josh for giving me his time.
Thanks to Scruby's pipping and distract some pieces of network.
Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia
and wil Ferrell's Big Money Players Network hosting it. Thanks
to Adamschison for the graphics and Leaves to lead them
for the photography. Come and join me next week for
another absolutely banging episode. But that is it for now.
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In the meantime, I hope you're all well, loads of love,
and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each other.
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