July 9, 2025 • 50 mins
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Join your host Brett Goldstein as he talks life, death, love and the universe with the powerful actor, producer and director JUSTIN HARTLEY!
Justin's been on the screen and stage for decades now and will hopefully be a face and voice you are well familiar with. But even if you're less aware of Justin, this is a fabulous ep for all as you get to hear so much about the process and indeed how he found roles and maintained them. From the old to the newer, it's an immense body of work but we also hear about such things as what it's actually like to join huge culturally important shows, being a part of long running classic series, the unique instinct that calls for 100+ takes, being cool like M J Fox, and how to dial in a body. All that and more on this week's awesome Films To Be Buried With!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lukey, you surely choose to be benied with. Hello, and
welcome to Films to be buried with. My name is
Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor writer director at
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Compass Rose and I love films. As Mark Twain once said,
against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand, which is
why both Finger has been charged with GBH Every week
and a special guest over, I tell them they've died,
then I get them to discuss their life through the
films that men the most of them. Previous guests include
Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone and even Read Rambles.
But this week we have actor, producer and director mister
(00:43):
Justin Hartley. My comedy special The Second Best Night of
Your Life is extreaming now on Max and on Sky.
Give it a what you'll fucking love it. Head over
to the Patreon at patreon dot com forwards last Brett Goldstein,
where you get next to twenty minutes with Justin. We
talk secrets, beginnings and endings. You get the whole episode,
Adfrey anders a check it out over at Patreon dot
com forwards. That's Brett Goldstein. So Justin Hartley. You might
(01:06):
know Justin Hartley from his roles and this is us
or as Green Arrow in Smallville. He now stars in
Tracker on CBS, and he can be seen in the
film Brideheart. I recorded this with Justin on Zoom and
it was so lovely to hang out with him. I
really think you're gonna love this one. So that is
it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode
three hundred and fifty eight of Films to be Buried With. Hello,
(01:39):
and welcome to Films to be Buried With. This is
me Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by an actor,
a producer. Hey, this is user, a Green arrower, a
bad Mum's Christmas, a Tracker rough, a changing up productioner,
a hero, a legend, one of the great TV stars
of the last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
He's here.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
He's amazing. We can't believe he's here, but here he is.
I'm looking right at him. Please, welcome to the show.
It's the brilliant it's Justin Harley.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
All right, good to be here. This is this is exciting.
This is very exciting.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Justin Hartley.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I've been a fan of yours since Smallville. Smallville may
have been the last big many many, many, many episodes
type show that I watched all of us every left.
Smoville loved it. You know who else did because they
were on my podcast recently, the Philippoo twins who made
talk to Me and bring her back. Oh really, both
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of them obsessed with Smoville every episodeide.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Okay, yeah, yeah, no, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I mean it was that was a long time and
it was one of those things that happened to me
where I was sort of a weird story. I got
cast in as pilot. Leaders of Smallville were doing this
pilot called Aquaman. I think it was called Mercy Reef
at the time, and they're calling it pocacle Man because
it was about you guessed Aquaman and the pot ended
up not going and for whatever reason there was a
change of regime. It was also probably didn't turn out
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exactly the way they wanted. For whatever reason, it didn't go,
and so that was sort of heartbreaking. That was my
first experience with that. I just assumed the course of
a go because it's Aquaman and I had experienced that before.
He worked so hard on it, and it's so naive
to think about that now after everything that you know,
I've gone to like, what was I thinking? Of course,
you know, I did, nothing happened, and I spending money
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on Amador when I don't smoke cigars because I think
I'm going to be more than one of these shows.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And then it never saw the light of day.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
But long story short, the creators of Small Will ended
up wanting me to come on onto that show and
play the Green Arrow.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And it was a I think it was a three
episode game.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It was like a month come in for a month,
month and a half, do this, and then leave, you know,
And it ended up people really liked it, thankfully, and
it stuck around for you know, one hundred years, so
it was great.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I remember being very impressed because you come into it
quite late, right, It was like it wasn't season six.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Because they'd had the guy who onto the Supernatural who
was also he'd done a good run and then they
turned him into a bad guy.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Jensen he uh yeah, he plays my brother on Tracker, right, yes,
you yeah, yeah, he's incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
And so I remember you joining and being really impressed
because I think it's hard coming in season six and
everyone loves the cast, and then you have to sort
of make your mock and.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, and you're coming in and you know you're wearing
wearing a super Suita's back. Now it's like everyone's doing it.
But back in the day, it was like, this is
back when you did camera tests and all that kind
of stuff. And you're doing these camera tests and there's
a second where you feel you pretty cool, and then
you know, you leave the dressing room and you're in
green leather and you walk out and you're seeing everybody
else is in jeans and looking like normal human beings,
and then you feel like a complete ful, you know,
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and you're just like, what have I just signed on for?
I mean literally, you're in the hands of other people.
It's a lot of trust, right, so it can go
either way.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And you know, we didn't. We didn't really know. We
just kind of went for it and and it ended
up working out. It's great.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So tell me.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'm always interested in people that you who have done
You've now done? Am I right? Forgive me if I
don't know all of your stuff. You've done three huge,
three hit, big hit TV shows right long Running, you
did Smallville, This is Us, and now you have Track.
But theyre more those are the three big ones, right,
I mean I.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Would say those are the three, those are the three
biggest ones. Yeah, I mean those are the ones that
I've been the biggest.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Part of as well.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I've done in small parts, I've had small parts in
big shows, but those are the three that I spend
a lot of time on.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, and in your head having done that, like, it's
quite unusual to have that level of success really, as
in the shows themselves are kind of in all cases
like quite big culturally as well, like beloved things. Yeah,
do you think you're lucky or you're just very good
at choosing these things? Or like, how do you think
that's happened?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I think it's both. I think it's both. I think
I really do.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I mean, so, I'll tell you the small vill of
it all was a huge hit before you know, I
showed up and continued to be and really had nothing
to do with me. It had to do with the
writers and the creators and Tom Welling and Michael Rosenbaum
and all those guys, the originals, and I just kind
of I stepped into that and I got really lucky
and ended up, you know, making this character that was
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supposed to make a quick exit, interesting enough to where
people wanted to see more more of him. So that
was that, and then This is Us. A friend of
mine read the script and sent it to me and
was like, you got to read this. This is one of
the best things I've ever read. And I was like, well, man,
I'm an embrace.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I love reading. I read the script and I agreed.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I was like, this is the This may be the
greatest episode of television I've ever read in my entire life.
It was incredible. I didn't see them, oh my gosh.
And I had a different take on the on the audition,
I remember that I remember thinking that it.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Was tragically it was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
This guy Kevin, my character talking about that is going
through this crisis of identity and he's talking he's liking
it to the Challenger explosion.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He's just way over dramatic, and I was, but I
thought was I had funny in a really sadistic kind
of way.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And here's a guy who's at his birthday party surrounded
by beautiful people and he doesn't know any of them.
We've got no friends, you know, and he's going through
this early midlife crisis. And I got them to laugh
at a uh, So I thought, well, that's good. I
ended up getting that job, and then the show took off.
I mean, Dan Foegelman his genius. Obviously, he's sensational, one
of the greatest writers ever. And then through that I
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I met Ken Olan, who was our directing producer on
that show.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
You I before This Is Us.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Ended, we knew we had one more year left. He
was always designed to sort of end a certain way,
and we were kind of talking about how we had
become pretty close over the years and we wanted to
continue to work together what she'd do, and so we
were looking for different projects and we found this book,
Never Game, Jeffrey Deaver book, and we ended up adapting that,
and the studio and the network got behind it, and
with that, you never know, it was just like, Okay, we're.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Gonna we're gonna shoot this pilot. I really like it.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I think it's exciting. There's something different about this character.
I don't think we've ever seen this before, really, and
I think it's the right time, you know, for people
to see.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Something like this.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And it ended up ended up doing I mean, way
better than we could have possibly imagined.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So so I think.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
A lot of it is luck, a lot of it
is timing, and then it's just you know, obviously you
have to be ready for it when it comes.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Will you ever in any of these things, like they're
very long, long running and long lots of websites like
how is it sort of existing in that? Do you
get like I've had enough of this and then you
come back round to I love it? Like is it
does it go in waves? Or are you just in it?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And you know, I mean, I think I would be
lying if I didn't say we get tired. People get tired, obviously,
but the idea of going to work, even if it's
a fight scene, you know you're going to be fighting
for five or six hours, That of course is exhausting
thinking about and I know, I know you work out
a lot. Thinking about going to the gym sometimes is exhausting, right, yeah,
But when you're done, you're never really I mean you're wiped,
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right because you beat your body up a bit, But
in other words, you're never really thinking, Man, I wish.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Oh yeah, was never never so and when you're in it,
I don't like when I'm on set or if i'm
rehearsing or preparing, time just flies by, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Sometimes it is that the thought of like, okay, and
I do this with auditions.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Even I remember when I would audition, I would sort
of be upset that I wasn't getting auditions, you know,
and when I would get one, I would immediately become
exhausted at the thought for this thing.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It's it's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Then you feel so guilty because you're like, what is
wrong with me? I got I got the audition. A
lot of my friends aren't even getting these, and I'm
complaining about impossible. I'm complaining about not getting them. I'm
complaining when I get it, I'm impossible. So but I
think that's just human nature.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, So I tell you a secret that I'm not
supposed to tell you, but I think it's I think
I would like it. So one of the Ted lassa rights,
So we're writing season four of Ted Last Day, and
she's obsessed with you, and she's obsessed with your show.
I had your news show. And so when we have
the boards on our wall of like you know, the
seasons one, all the ads and anytime we're slightly confusing,
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we're making sure we're tracking the story. We have a
cut out of you. We have tracker to remind us
to track this story.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
To track. That's great. We don't even do that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So you're on our you're on our wool, on our
board to remind us. Yeah, we need to track this type.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Okay, we're gonna have to return the favor somehow.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I'll figure it out the favor.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
That's I'm not hilarious.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, you're that's great, Justine Harley. I've forgot to tell
you something. Fuck god, it's mad, you know. It's fucking
mad that I didn't tell you this up. Oh no,
you've got it. Yeah, no, I'll tell you you got it. Okay,
what is it? You've died? You're dead? What you're dead?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
D e d you're dead?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Oh man, how did you die?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, you're not messing around. It's sort of coming back
to me a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I don't remember all of it. It's not how I
imagined it. Oh right, yea, yeah, it's coming back to me. Okay,
So I should tell you something. I've always had this
sort of I'm sort of a homebody in general. I
would say major homebody in general. And I always had
sort of this fear of skydiving. It's not a fear
of skydiving. Actually, it's not a fear of heights. It's
not a fear of skydiving. It's it's been a lifelong
(11:18):
fear of dying skydiving. Not because I'm afraid of heights,
not because you know anything like that. I'm afraid of
how people will talk about me if I die skydiving.
And like I think, when I die, I want people
to be sad, if not for a day. And I
feel like if I if I go skydiving and I
die skydiving, people are just going.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
To say, well, shouldn't jump out of planes? You know
what I mean? And I think that's not That's not
I want people to say, you think that? So I do.
I think people I think that because that's that's I've been.
I would do that.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I've done that before where I've been like, well, person
shouldn't have been jumping out of a plane, which is
so insensitive of course, but right, sky dive, I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Want skydive death is one of my top three deaths.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
It's it's it's I see because you're living out but see.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You you're not afraid of what people.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You're You're irrational about it.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You're not afraid of what people are going to say
when you're dead, because what do you care you're dead?
I'm irrational about it, and I think about things I
shouldn't think about, like what what the hell people are
saying about me after I'm dead?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Who cares? You're dead?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But there's much like I'm thinking, skydiver.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You could burn. There's much worse, of course, but you.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Could die, you know, wanking in a cupboard with about Ranji.
That would be. They would talk about you much more.
They would probably make more, but with.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
A slight but with a sly brind right, but you
really trying to have a good time, no matter what,
no matter what he was, Hey, you know he was
he was bored and he, uh, what do you want?
The guy?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
The guy was always a great time, you know what.
They would talk about you like that, not about like, well.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
What you jumped out of a plane? What the hell
was he thinking? That's why you do that?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You would rather die whang king in a cupboard than
jumping out of a play. You would rather.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
One hundred million percent.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And it's too late now though, because I've already I'm
not going to die twice.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
But yeah, I wish, I wish I would have gone
that way, but it didn't. It didn't turn out that
way for me.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
What ended up happening was I I because, like I said,
I'm this massive homebody and I thought, you know what,
this is crazy. I I got to get out there
and I got to like be more adventurous, you know, really, like,
I mean, what, what's what are the odds really skydiving
death is?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I looked it up.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's actually very very rare, and people have a lot
of fun doing it, So I won't. And I get
on the plane and I'm nervous, right, and I'm like,
am I tempting fate?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
This is weird?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I hope it's not my time, you know, when it's
your timey, it's a time. I get up there and
I'm up in the plane. Where are you which which
I'm over California. Just just just buy my house, Yeah,
buy my house and near Los Angeles. And we go
up and the co pilot looks back at me like
they're doing something wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And he looks to the pilot.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
There's two of them, and he taps the pilot and
he says something I don't hear what he says. And
the pilot turns around, looks at me, and I see
him lipping Tracker. He's a Tracker fan, right, which is.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Good and bad.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I'm like, Okay, great, they're going to take care of me.
But bad because he just sends to forty thousand feet
because it's like this guy can do anything. Yeah, yeah,
probably doesn't even need to shoot. Yeah, So I'm now
forty thousand feet. I know, like I've done in my homework.
I know you can't jump like this is crazy. You
jump like ten fifteen thousand something like that, right, you
don't jump at forty And I've never done this before.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
They put the thing on me.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I got no tandem, nothing, and my mouth starts to
gets so dry.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I'm getting caught mouth. Now.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I remember I have this lozenge in my pocket. I'm like,
I better take this because I don't want to all
the wind in my face. You know, I'm probably gonna
choke on my tongue, so I pop this thing in
my mouth. It's a life saver, ironically, and I just
start choking, start choking.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I haven't even jumped out of the plane yet.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I'm on my knees and I'm choking on this life
saver and everyone thinks I'm joking because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
They think it's funny because I'm not. You know, They're like, obviously,
he's fine. I die.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I roll out of the plane, out of the hat
to hatch the door. I drop like a stone through
the atmosphere forty thousand feet as luck would have it,
this homebody that went out once on an adventure of
a lifetime. I plummet into the earth, into my roof,
into my bedroom, and I die right there in my bed.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Bullseye.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
That is a fucking great death.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
From a lifesaver. It's not bad.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I mean I would rather have lived, honest, I would
rather have just ship goes open.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
But the tracker is very popular, and so I blame
the show.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
What's good is you could? Because I always you know,
when people talk about dying in bed with their loved
ones around you, maybe that was alone ones, but maybe
they were in your bedroom looking for you, and then
when you crashed through dead you did.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I am no maybe I yeah, I will never know.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Or I could have My wife could have been sleeping
in and I crushed her too. I have no idea
because wow, yeah, yeah, it's not the way I planned it.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Wow, that's a pretty great death. But you're people will
I've got to be honest, people will talk about that.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
It's a bullseye.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, I think about that for a long time. I
think that might you can never go home overshadow some
of your work because I think people would talk about
that death forever.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I hope. So it's all I have left.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Do you worry about that?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You know? I worry?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Oh gosh, I try not to, and and you know,
I think I do more and more as I as
I get older, which is a constant reminder that I'm
getting older because I never thought about it when I
was younger.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Ever, right, I think that's normal. It's just not something
you think about when you're when you're young.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And then as I've gotten older, yeah, you start to
think about things like making sure your kids are all
set up, making sure your finances are in order, making
sure you've said you know, the way you handle yourself now,
the way people are going to remember you, Making sure
you don't have any weird ship laying around your house.
Like when you die, people go through your stuff and
they're like, this guy was a kinky you.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Know whatever, all that weird stuff that people playing.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, yeah, just the weird stuff, Like I just want
to make sure everything is is buttoned up before before
tickets punch.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
What about after after life? Do you think there is one?
What do you think happens?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
You know what? I think jury is still up? I hope. So.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I think it's such a bleak thought of just the
lights go out, and I mean all this for nothing
kind of thing, you know, not to say that this
is purgatory, and I don't I don't know, but I
think I just really think life is such a gift
to the idea of going out and just having it
be gone gone because people say, well, I've heard people say, well,
you know, it's religious hard to grasp when you're in
(17:17):
heaven and this I'm like, okay, well, isn't it also
hard to grasp that the like switch just goes off
and then it's nothing.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's also hard to grasp, right, Yeah, So I hope, So,
I sure hope.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
So.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, I've got good news for you. Justin Hartley, there's
a heaven and you're going, hey, I made it. Heaven
is filled with your favorite thing? What is your favorite thing?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Well, my favorite thing is movies, and uh movies and
baseball movies in baseball, well.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Let's tell you what heaven. You know what heaven's a
bit like field dreams. There's this beautiful baseball diamond and
you can play whenever you want, you can watch whenever
you want. That's the baseball players there, Babe, Roofs there,
great the other ones.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And they all know you know, your baseball.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Sea is there.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Look at you.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Look he was in the movie, yeah, and the Gazer.
But but he's there there there and.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
All the greats, all the greats.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Brendan, he's there there.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Okay, all right, great.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
And everyone very excited to see you. And they want
to talk to you about your life, but they want
to talk to you about your life through films. And
the first thing they ask you, what is the first
film you remember seeing?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Justin Haley, I thought about that, and I was sort
of vacillating between a few and if I don't remember
if it was first or not. But I'll just tell
you the first thing that came to mind. I don't
know how accurate it is, but Back to the Future
is the first movie I remember seeing that. I mean,
it made a huge impact on me. I couldn't believe
they were doing things in that movie story wise, and
(18:53):
I mean just this the concept, the idea of it.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And also I haven't seen it in a.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
While, although I did watch it maybe maybe six or
seven years ago with my daughter. But the technology they
were doing at the time, and the time travel and
the Fox capacitor and the DeLorean, and I mean it
was just so cool and the crazy, you know scientist
with his hair and you know, Mike Jay Fox was
on fire.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It was just his charisma and everything that he was doing.
And I mean I've probably seen that movie thirty times,
thirty or forty.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Wow, it's a great fucking film. It's believable, and it's
also a really weird film. That's what what I watched
it recently four years ago, and it's brilliant. But you're like, yeah,
I don't think this film would get made certainly in
this way. It would have much more nights.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Which is kind of sad. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, it's very strange, and there's weird stuff with his
mom and oh yeah, there's so much attractions.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Oh yeah, that's right. The attraction thing. She kind of
fell for him, which I kind of understood.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Because it's her. She made him right yet, but she
had made the guy came from her, and that was
a kind of a weird Yeah, that was a weird moment.
It was when you think about that, like what would happen?
It's really odd if your if your if your mother
didn't know that you or her son.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
But she's obviously in love with you.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
She's your mother, and yeah, they might have had a
great time.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
They might have had a great time.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
We don't know. Well when you saw that, were you like, oh,
I want to do this? What did you just enjoy it?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I wanted to learn.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I wanted to acting. You mean no, no, I never
thought that I could do it. Never even dawned on
it never occurred to me that that's you know. I
would watch these actors and they seem so larger than life,
and I almost looked at it like like.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Michael J.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Fox is a different species, Tom Cruise a different species.
These guys are. I can't even imagine them breathing the
same error that I breathe. But I wanted a skateboard,
and I wanted a Dolorean, and I wanted and I
started to think maybe time travels possible, Like it really
did change, you know, the way I.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Looked at life as a kid.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Really, I did one to guys to school via the
back of a truck on a skateboard.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Heck yeah, oh free ride awesome with Huey Lewis Blarin.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, it'd be great. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
What's the film that scared you the most? Do you
like being scared?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I don't mind being scared. I don't I don't mind
being scared. I don't like being Uh. I don't like
walking into a room and having somebody to go like that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I don't like that.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And the reason I don't like that is because I'm
a It's I don't have any control over it. I
just I I'll punch, I'll punch or I'll kick, like
because I'm scared. So a lot of people scared and
they go like that, like when I scare, I got
I It's it's not even something I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I can't control it. But I don't mind.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Being scared at the movies, and it takes a lot,
so I respect it. Yeah, because you think you see
something coming, and when it's done right, it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
The shining.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Uh, I mean that was that was you know, minute
after minute that that was you.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Were when you watch that movie.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
At least for me, I was stressed out in a
good way without even knowing it. Your your heightened level
of awareness when you're watching that movie, even when he's
just sitting there listening.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Or usually talking, you're you're horrified. Yeah, I mean that was,
uh what are iconic performance? But I mean what a
movie too?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah? That was that you could that still holds up
really and it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah. The women in the bath, yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Someone told me they went through Someone told me. I
don't know if it's true or not, but they went
through sixty doors. I guess to get that shot right accidently. Yeah, sixty,
which means I guess there were sixty takes at least,
which is quite a few.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I've never done sixty takes, No, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I often think that, what's the best amount of takes
you've done at any take?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Oh man, I've been in the twenties before, I've been
in the twenties. Yeah, but it was a lot of
technical stuff. I've never been in the twenties like because
of performance. Thank god, I would if the performance was bad,
I would I would, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Sure, I guess there's eluxtuit. When I read about Fincher
and Kubrick doing one hundred takes whatever, there's a sort
of budget luxury, as in, I think I've ever worked
an we had that kind of time.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You don't have that kind of time.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, But I'm also like, that's a fucking nightmare for
the edit. That's a nightma. You've got a hundred fucking takes.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh, I mean you're killing these people. I can't you imagine, Like,
how any different ways could you do this? You know,
I guess a hundred.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I guess one hundred unless they're very sure. I've never
understood if it's if it is a hundred on the day,
if they're like, that's the one, or they're going I
just write one hundred options for the edit.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I think if it's if it's a hundred, I would
hope that the hundredth was the one they took.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, I forget.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I did a movie with a who became this man
became a really really dear friend of mine, passed away recently.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Charles Shire. He's a he directed Father of the Bride. Yes,
I knew him.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
We did a movie together and I got to know
him pretty well, and I just adored him. And when
he died, I didn't realize how what an effect that
would have on me until I thought of not having
him around.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I couldn't call him, couldn't not that we talked every day.
I'm not saying that, but just you know, these certain.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
People come into your life, your life, and you you
just go poof, They're gone, you know, and you just well,
how could that be? He was so full of life
and everybody loved him, and I mean that.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Was I would.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
I had to pull over the car a few times
and by myself and just be like, man, I gotta
get my head that this is really affecting me in
such a way. I didn't really see that coming, but
you know, I went off on that tangent, but somehow
I was just reminded of I guess we're talking about
Dave of Charles Yam.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, well was it about the takes a number of takes?
And well, yeah, that's right, that's.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Right, the good thank you you're following.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
He directed Father of the Bride, and I forget how
many takes he said, but he said he made Steve
Martin do that speech at the in Father of the
Bride where he's in the chair. I think he said
something like thirty or forty something or fifty something or whatever.
It was wow, And I remember asking him he was like, oh,
he never said anything about just what we've you know,
we got it and it was really great and it
was performance of a lifetime that was really brilliant. And
(24:37):
I finally asked him, I was Steve Martin, did he
get upset at you?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And he was.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
He didn't say he got upset. He was just like,
I mean you could tell it was like, what's this
man doing? Like is he punishing me?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
On perfect? Like what's going on here?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
You know, because you got to feel and you and
as an actor, right, you start to get self conscious,
like at any level, even if someone's made wrong more
than like three times, even I'm like, is there is
there something you for me?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Like I'm not doing like communicate this? Is it a
folk Hopefully it's.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
A focus pull or something, but yeah, yeah, it's that
that that luxury of time and all that.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
We just don't have it on TV on my show.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
But then there's also like I hear like Ridley Scott
just has like ten cameras covering so many different wedding
and then he'll do like three takes, two takes, and yeah,
got its interesting. What is the film that made you cry?
The mist? And now you a cry?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I guess?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I mean I cry when it's necessary. I think human
beings need to cry every once in a while.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I wouldn't consider myself a crier at all, though, but
I certainly do. You sometimes you can't help it. I
mean unless you have a dead heart, right.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I tried.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I think I've everybody I've ever met my life that
I that I know you try, you try as hard
as I can. I think everybody that I've known for
longer than six months, I've seen them at least well up.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I mean, if we weren't run by our.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Emotions, this world would be a life would be a
lot easier women, I mean, it would be boring.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
It would be like that's what we're run by.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
So the film that maybe I have two if I may,
you may, they're very different. So one is an older
film with Michael Keaton called My Life.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Have you seen this?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
With Nicole Kidman? I fucking love.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And when when she finds out what he's been doing
recording this stuff and he teaches him, teaching how to
shave and everything, because he finds out he's got this
cancer and he won't be there for his kid to
teach him how to grow up and be a man.
Or It's just like he's leaving him all these tapes
and I'm thinking, how perfect is that? And then the
heartbreak is when you realize that he wasn't telling he
didn't tell her about it.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
She's going to that room, she's watching.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
These tapes, and it was like, oh, what a perfect
way to show case the fact that this woman is
holding on to stuff, she's holding on by a very
thin thread, and she's finally like she's being faced with
like falling into this moment of what it's going to
be like when this is all you have of him
or the memories and these tapes heartbreaking, heartbreaking And I
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don't know if this is a more recent film.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Nicholas Cage Pig, did you see Pig?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Pig is fucking brilliant.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Brilliant and that performance is incredible.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yes, And when he starts talking about the pig about
because it's you think it's this really gifted truffle pig,
like really gifted Trump, he sort of talks about the
fact that she couldn't smell a truffle.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Of landed on our nose. It's just amazing, right, what
a movie? What a movie?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
That is a film about grief, isn't it. I love
that absolutely. It's a film about grief that was sowed
as a revenge. It was sold like it was taken
with a pig.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So well done.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, and then you watch it, you're like, fuck, this
is beautiful.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
I walked out of we have a little viewing room
here and my wife and I were walking Big Nickel's
cage fans. We walked out and we were standing in
the kitchen and it was one of those moments where
talk about are you a crier? Not necessarily and categorize
myself as a crier, but there was a good, solid
I don't know if you've ever had this with three
or four minutes where I knew if I try to speak,
nothing would come out.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It's a really powerful feeling. You know.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
It reminds you that you're alive, and and it also
makes you proud to be an actor when you see
a performance like that and go wow, the way that
that movie affected me and other people, and you think
maybe there was a performance that that I gave or
a show that I was a part of, or something
that had an effect.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
On someone like that. That is really It's profound and humbling,
isn't it? Well?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
This is this is us? Was made you cry every
single week without fair Yeah, every week that was hopefully
hopefully last. Oh yeah it was funny shows but.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You oh, you were in for it.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And I see I hear people all time to like,
oh I binge like the first like yesterday, my husband
I bene like the first five episodes that I'm like,
what are you a massachist?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
You spent five hours? How do you do that? You
bring your gatorade? Like, what are you doing in that
five hours? Really? Wow?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
My sister al said, love, love love that she would
just cool me crying.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I just the last that will sneak up on you
when you don't see it.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Coming and you're like, oh, come on, but you want
but you want it, you know what I mean, you
definitely want it, And then it delivers and you're like, yes,
this is how you do TV.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, that's because we've been using tracks.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
A track here, that's right, you got Yeah, it was, yeah,
it was using.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
What is the film that you love. People don't like it.
It is not critically acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally.
Just In Hartley, what is it?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
All right?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I'm gonna I'm going to spin on this a little
bit if I may. This is not it's I don't
think it's not critically acclaimed. I think it's not well known.
Although I do love Halle Berry's Catwoman, I do. Okay,
that's a great yep. Yeah, but this movie is I
feel I feel like it probably is critically acclaimed. I
don't really know, but it's not well known and it's
staying on the Nicolas Cage train.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Have you seen The Weatherman? I fucking love The weather Man?
Isn't that something else? This movie?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
What do you like? Everything about it?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
That makes me cry as well?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Try you laugh?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
When he hits the snowball, he's sorry, the whole secret
note thing that you're supposed.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
To do, and the first thing he does is open
it up. It's just like, this is why your marriage
isn't working.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Man.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
He's this is a whole trust exercise and you blew it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
You blew it, and right away you know, yes, yeah,
it was a great, great movie.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Michael Caine wonderful.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
That's a fucking great set.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Like a mainstream Nicholas Kate nearly no move. It's a
great one.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Oh yeah, No, he was. He was, Yeah, he was
the weather. He was he was playing the straight guy.
Just kind of couldn't anything. He even says it in
the movie. They're like they're trying toigure out what's wrong
with him, and he just says, I can't. It was
heartbreaking and he just goes, I can't knuckle down. And
I thought, Wow, a grown man with kids went through
a divorce is saying I can't knuckle down.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
He's on the verge of a nervous breakdown. And what
does a man do?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
You know when he's on the verge of it, you
know you don't want to tell anyone, I guess. And
there's all these He just crushed that role in the story,
the script of everything.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But the way they lit it tonally, it was that
the Grays took place in Chicago. I think it was great.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, nice film, good chot. What is the film that
you used to love but you've watched it recently and
you do not like it anymore because you've changed.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Well, I hate to say this because I still like
the film because Tombstone.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
You know, Tombstone.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, I love Toomstone, but I haven't watched it in
many years.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, don't time. Okay, it was.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I have probably in my life quoted that movie over
a hundred times. I probably could write this, I know it.
It's incredible from anywhere from Billy Bob Thornton coming in
there to you know, one of the greatest perform I
mean that dark Holiday performers. Paul Kilmer was incredible. Why
are really hard character to play? Russell nailed it, of course,
like he always does. But I just thought it was
(31:53):
the coolest film, like something I'd never seen before. And
maybe it's because they're making so they made so much
of that geen afterwards, and they did it so well
even in televisionhows like dead Wood and things like that.
Yeah right, I just think the bars So maybe they
should I don't know. I was gonna say maybe they
should read do Tombstone, but I don't think they should. This,
this is this is making me want to watch it
again and change my mind about it, because I do
(32:14):
have a love for Tombstone.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
You make me want what's Deadwood again? Is dead with
the greatest TV show ever.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Not that I mean I think I don't think anybody
would laugh you out of the room if you said that.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Help three top Free for sure. What is the film
that means the most to you? Not necessarily the film
is good, but the experience you had seeing the film
makes it special to you forever.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Justin Harley, Yeah, I've got I've got one for you
that not only is it special to me forever, but it.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Is great, a great film.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
And the little story behind this is so I have
I have a twenty one year old daughter. There was
a big part of my life between what was it
like two thousand and three or four two thousand and three,
probably to like twenty thirteen, fourteen. Word, I didn't watch
a lot of movies. I have time, so a lot
of movie I'm sort of catching up on them now, right.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And it's my wife's favorite movie of all time. And
I was sure that i'd seen it, of course, I'm like,
of course I've seen it. Everyone's seen The Gladiator, everyone's
seen it. And then I realized it's almost like I've
seen so many clips from it, and I've heard so
much about it, and it dawned on me. I don't
think I've ever sat down and watched the actual film, right,
even though I know it because it's it's the site
guy so much for decades, right, And I sat down
(33:25):
and watched that film, and I remember thinking, like, it's
so strange that that's her favorite film of all time,
of all time, really, And then I watched it and
I was like, well, it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Perfect movie.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
It's there's not one little moment in that movie that
you're like this bullshit. I mean, it's it's so good
when he looked even at the very beginning when he
looks at the before he goes into war, and he
looks at them before he goes into battle, and.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
He looks at the bird and kind of takes that
little smile and then.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
The bird and then he's like, boom, here we are.
And he's just prepared for death the whole time. And
he gets kidnapped. I mean, the whole thing. It's just
it's riveting from cover to cover, you know, credit to credit, unbelieve.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
And also the first time they used Overly died filming it,
And was it the first time they used like CGI
to fill him in or something.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I don't know. If it was the first time. But
they definitely did. They definitely did.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, I mean it might have been the very first time.
You can tell when you watch it, if you're looking
for it, you can, you can see it.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
But yeah, okay, it's the gas. That's a great movie, lovely.
What about the film you most relate to? What's the
film you most relate to.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
There's a movie called Beautiful Girls.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I love Beautiful Girls.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Nowy Portman, Timothy Hutton, and Dyan Yeah, Uma Thurman's in it.
Everyone's in it.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, Scott Rosenberg, right, is that right?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, it's great. It's just a great movie. And I
was this is way back in the day.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I was renting I don't even remember it's VHS or DVD,
but I was renting a movie. I forget what the
movie was, some action movie probably, and I get home
and they had put the wrong employer or whatever. I
put the wrong disc or movie in the in the
right So I ended up with this movie, Beautiful Girl.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So I was like, what the hell is this? I
was ready to watch I don't know, probably Top Gun
or something.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I have no idea, And I was like, guy, I god,
I might as well put it in the Timothy Hutton
character when he's this musician and he goes back for
his high school reunion and he's sort of at that
place where he's got to figure out what he's going
to do. I mean, it's like he's at that age
right where he can can no longer continue doing what
he's doing in the manner in which he's doing it
and grow up. He's got to figure something out, right,
(35:25):
make concessions or go for it, or whatever whatever it is.
And I think at that point in my life I
was kind of at the same point, except for the
fact that I didn't know what I wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I knew I had a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Of different interests, in a lot of different passions for
a lot of different things, but it never occurred to
me that you could be an actor.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I still at that time, I was like, I don't
know how to do it. I don't know how people
do it. How would I? And then it turns out
you just have to be an idiot and get in
your car and drive the Los.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Angeles and just try, try, try, try, try, and you
have to be a total you have to be a
total moron.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
And thank God, I think I was, Yeah, you have
to be someone.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I was talking with someone about this the other day.
They worked in Broadway. They were a Broadway musical person,
and they said, if someone had told me when I
was like queuing up for like background auditions, and they
were like, I can't remember the number, it was something
like one in one hundred thousand, we'll get this. She said,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't have done it, and I was like, yeah,
you would, because you did, you know what I mean, Like,
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I don't think that would. I think the reality is, yeah,
it's a fucking it is mad.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
It's hard to remember too. It's hard to remember when
you didn't have I think it's a lot easier. I've
often thought of that too. I've thought about what I did.
I'm like, Wow, that's brave, and then there's part of
me that's like, well that that's really reckless. Well, you know,
it's taken out of context, like right now, it would
be reckless because I have a lot of responsibilities. Right
it would be totally reckless. It's just abandon people and
be like I'm gonna do what I want to do.
But when you're young, you don't really have anything. You
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might have a little bit of debt.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
You might not have any debt, you might have some bills,
you don't really have any responsibilities. Yeah, that's the time
to do it.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Really, but it is a mad thing today, completely mad.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And it's completely made very very very very very very
very lucky. We're very lucky.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
What is the sexiest film you've ever saying? Justin how
they think it's probably Dirty Dancing? Okay, now you see
you disagree with me. No, I didn't listen. Day Dancing
is a wonderful film and a sexy film. But that
sounds like an answer you're giving two impressed women.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
No, no, I no, not at all.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
In my mind.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
I'm not trying to impress in my in my uh
in my version of Dirty Dancing, there was a lot
that went on behind the scenes if they didn't show
on the camera, right, I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I thought it was very you know, you have you
have the quote unquote help that these people are coming
these country cute people are coming in and they really
don't talk to these people.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They don't fragnize with these people.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
They're there to serve them and to help them learn
how to dance or you know, give them coffee or
champagne or whatever, and this woman kind of falls in love.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
With the bad boy, right, Yeah, And uh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I thought there was something really there's something really suxy
about you have like a lane that someone tells you
you're supposed to be in. This is where we play
over here, and the power of love and lust and
the wanting it transcends all of that, and then you're
really out of control.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
There's really nothing that anyone can do about it. You're
you're sort of you know, you're running wild in the streets.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I'm convinced that's a very good answer. I fucking loved
it dancing. I have a sister, so I have seen
it two hundred times and I watched it again recently
to see if it holds up, and it absolutely holds up.
The only thing that does funny is that when you
think about it, at the end, when he goes on
stags and he says hey, and he does his big speech,
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most of the people in that room must be thinking,
who the fuck is this guy wasn't talking about?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, it was kind of it was lost on them.
I think he's talking about what happened?
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Is he talking about what's happened?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
But it's a brilliant film and I love the its
like they're not going to be together after this see
each other.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Do you remember watching I'm sure you saw a fight club? Yes, okay,
do you remember when Brad Pitt had a cigarette out
of his mouth and he was like standing there and
he was ready to fight in the thing and he's
just like just ripped beyond belief. It looked like like
just chose a lot of clay and that sort of change.
I think that changed the way that dudes, that men
were like, I want my body to look like that,
because before that people watched WWF wrestling used to be
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ww ON and you were wanted to be big and
hulking and all that.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
And then when you saw.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Brad Pitt what he did with his body, he carved it,
Everyone's like, that's what I want. Especially I think women
were like, that's what I want, right, Yeah. But Patrick
Swayze and dirty Dancing was the og of that.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yes, yeah, yes, I mean he he dialed that ship in.
That looked like a lot of hard work, a lot
of discipline.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Right, you know, the other guy is completely underrated in
the area. Brendan Frasier. When I watched like this guy's and.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
He was too, he was big, he worked a lot. Yeah,
that must have been at least two three hours in
the gym, just in the morning, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Jesus Well, there's a sub category to this question. Traveling
behind is worrying. Why don't film you found arousing? You went, sure,
you ship Bridesmaids. I think it's going You don't get
it so much better? What's better than I mean, a
woman that can.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Make you laugh? Right? Yeah, agreed, there's nothing better. There's
not because of that point of view, a sense of
humor from that point of view.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
It is just the point of view that I don't have, right,
and to hear that point of view, I mean, I
don't think there's anything better than that or sexier than that.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I mean, I do agree. So you'll say, you're watching
Bridesmaids with it by the hotel.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Okay, not the whole time, not the whole time, not
the entire time.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Maybe that part, maybe that part, Maybe that's that was
the only part. Actually that was the only part.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I guess alone is the son What is objectively the
greatest film of all time might not be your favorite,
but it is objectively the greatest, objectively greatest film of all.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Time, as good as it getst wow, as good as
it gets. And I think I can make that argument
in an objective way. Not that not that the oscars
are objective, but I can make this argument. It won
a lot of awards. I think it either it got
nominated and I think it won, might have won Screenplay Actor.
Maybe she went supporting actress or actually I forget. I
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think Kneer got nominated for supporting. I could be wrong
on that one, but the movie is, in my estimation perfect.
It's road movie and what's not the love? You got
a guy with an ailment, he's got an impediment. It
was a little ahead of its time because I think
people like, what's wrong with this guy? And now you
look at it and you're like, no, it's it's everywhere.
I mean it's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, I mean was heightened of.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Course, right, and then the love story conversation he has
with her about how he hates pills.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
But she asked for a compliment. Remember, yeah, she goes.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
You got to give me a compliment because he said,
you're wearing a house dress.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
I got to wear a shirt and tie.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
And he's like okay, okay. He starts giving it his compliment.
He goes, I hate pills, this ailment. They gave me
these pills to take.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I hate pills. I hate them. And she's like, what's
the where's the compliment. He goes, okay, after you told
me you wouldn't sleep with me, I started taking the pills.
And she's like, I don't get what this has to
do with me. He goes, you know the line, right,
He goes, you make me want to be a better man. Yeah, yeah, good, wow, great,
right good?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
And you know I heard maybe you know this, someone
tell me that the ending was like kind of improvised.
They didn't have the ending, and I think they were
just filming and filming and then and then James L.
Brooks was like kiss here, just kiss here off camera,
and the kiss and then oh and.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Then he goes, I can do better than that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, great.
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, so it was kind of real. It was like
I can do better next time. And he's like, that's it.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
That's cool. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
I mean it's sweet and it's clever, and it's like
I said, it's got everything, got everything. Fantastic concept so'll
make you cry. When she's talking about to her mother,
she goes, what do you want? She goes, I want
to go out? Remember that whole scene. Yeah, you're just like,
it's just great.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
What's the film you could or have? What's the most
open over again?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Well, it's that one probably, but oh gosh, there's so
many of them. I've probably seen It's a Wonderful Life
three four, five hundred times, probably with Stuart.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I love that movie.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Timeless, No bad way to spend your time? What is
the worst film you ever saw?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
The worst film I ever saw?
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Was like I struggled to even say this because I
don't I don't think anybody should.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Try to watch it. And you know, maybe maybe I
was wrong, Justin was wrong. We'll try to watch this.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Maybe we have a different opinion about it, because it
really is a different opinion you can have. It's called
And at the time, I was this huge Hulk Hogan fan.
When I was a kid, I was a huge Hulk
Hogan fan. Yeah, I would watch wrestling every time he
was on.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I just loved it. I would. I still thought it
was real. He made a movie No holds barred.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Okay, not the alien one.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
I loved I loved Hulk Hogan so much when I
was a kid that I watched that movie and I
convinced myself that I loved the movie.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
It's really what's it?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
What is it about? Is he a wrestler in it?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
That's right? Right?
Speaker 1 (44:14):
What was the one? What was the alien one?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
He did?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Remember when he's an alien?
Speaker 3 (44:18):
No, I don't remember, but I don't know. If I
saw that one, it might be the same movie. Man
they were holding on. I think they were holding onto
the fact that Hulkogan was such a big star that
he could just do no wrong, probably, and that it
probably made a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I knows, but not not in.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Particular Suburban Command. Oh you got it, that's the way.
I didn't see that one.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (44:38):
That's good? That's like?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Is it good?
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah, he's like a fish out of wall. He's an alien.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Well that's cool.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, maybe that will make up for no hoodes. But
what's the film that might you laugh? Device? And will
it based? Aburb and Command die?
Speaker 2 (44:53):
The film that made me laugh the most? I got?
Speaker 3 (44:55):
I have two, I have three, but I narrowed it
down to two. I Meet the Parents for me is
just it's and I think part of it is I
think it's a brilliant script, and I think that the
performances are great still is amazing, But what seeing Robert
de Niro in that role is just he is He's
so funny, yeah, you know, and he's just given this
guy a hard time without really even trying to give
(45:17):
him a hard time. And then I really love wedding Crashers.
I think is yes, incredible, incredibly funny. Now here they're
doing a sequel.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
What was the third one?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Tropic Thunder? Tropic Thunder?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
So many you got you got a pick one guns
a head.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
If I had to pick one, all right, but I
could changed my mind in ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
If I had to pick one right now, just because
of the mood I'm in, I guess I would say
Tropic Thunder.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Justin Hartley, Yo, you have been a delight.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
However, yeah, when you decided, you're like, I'm home, buddy,
it's crazy. I need to fucking do something. How going
the guy skydiving and you get on the plane and
the pilotoks backing you and he goeska and you go,
that's me and he go, all right, you can do anything,
and he goes. He guyes, we ain't doing ten thousand
and we're doing forty thousands. And you're like, oh shit,
(46:06):
and you're nervous. You don't want to look you don't
want to look weak in front of this guy. He
thinks you'll track her, and you're like, I'm gonna have
a lifesaver and that'll calm me down. You take the
lifesaving and it lodges in your throat and you start
going red and the guy's looking back at you and
tears coming at you right, but you're trying to just
hold it together, don't and look on cool like m
really excited, really excited, and then you you die and
(46:32):
you roll and the guy's like, this guy, don't give
a fuck wow, And you just roll out the plane
and you fall. You fall it three thousand miles an hour,
and you reach the terminal with dusty and your wife
is lying in her bed, and your loved ones have
come up, says hey my mom, auntie, whoever all you
(46:53):
love ones are there just to wake ups? Is her
birthday actually, And you crash through the roof of your
else land on your wife, both dead, all your loved
ones around you. They were go ah, they're covered in blood.
And I'm like, Jesus, I'm walking past time with a coffin.
You know, I'm like and I'm like, hey, missus, Harley,
(47:13):
happy birthday. And all your loved ones go come up here.
They're all dead and like what And I come up
the stairs with coming out Jesus Christ a fucking like blood.
Everyone scream I go, guys, you got to help me.
I got a very justin. First we have to peel
you off your wife, I mean you too, like a
fucking cheese and ham sandwich now, and like, oh god,
So we peel you off. And then there's you've picked
(47:34):
up stuff you. There's birds attached to you because you
felt so fuss. She took a load of birds with you.
I'm like, shit, to chop you up. I'm chopping you
up in front of your family. They were screaming like
I just shut up. We got to get him in
the coffin. Get you in the coffin. There's more of
you than I was expecting. You've been working out a lot.
Just put stuff you in there. There's no room in
this coffin. There's only enough room for me to slide
one DVD into the side for you to take across
(47:56):
to the other side, and when you get there, it's
movie night. Every night. One night, it's your movie night.
What film are you taking to show the baseball players
in heaven when it is your movie night? Justin Hartley, please, I'm.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Gonna show them the greatest Christmas movie of all time
that might not even be a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
It's called die Hard. Fucking great, We're going die Hard.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I thought you were gonna say bad Mom's Christmas. But okay, okay,
fucking great.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
What a night.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I don't think I don't think anyone's picked Diehard.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
They're gonna have a great well, it's it's it's Bruce
Willis at his absolute best, right coming off to the
moon Lighting?
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Where that good?
Speaker 3 (48:31):
That dude just rattle off dialogue like nobody's business, and
he goes and does one of the greatest action films
of all time. Everyone started to gauge action films based
on They would call like, oh, this is like the
die Hard of or Dying you know. It became yeah, exactly,
It became the standard by which they were all judged.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, yeah, yep, Justin Hartley, what a delight. You're a
delight is there anything you would like to tell people
to watch or listen to or anything with you in
it coming up?
Speaker 3 (48:59):
I'm on this so hopefully they listening to this, that'd
be great. I think we had a good time. Yeah,
you're amazing, dude. Yeah, you're super fun and hilarious. Appreciate
you you are.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Thank you very much for doing this. Have a wonderful death.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Good day to you. So that was episode three hundred
and fifty eight. Head over to the Patreon at patreon
dot com forwards. Last Brett Goldstein for the extra twenty
minutes of chat sequence and video with Justin Hartley. Go
to Apple Podcasts. Give us a five star rating. But
right about the film that means the most to you
and why it's a very lovely thing to read. It
helps numbers, etcetera. And it's really appreciated by my name
(49:31):
and Maureen. I hope you're all well. Thank you for listening.
Thank you so much for Justin for giving me his time.
Thanks to Scruby's Peeping the Distraction Pieces Network, Thanks the
Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia and Wilferreo's
Big Money Players Network for host to get Thanks to
added Risdom for the graphics and needs to lad them
for the photography. Come and join me next week for
another amazing guest. You won't believe it. Thank you very
much for listening. I hope you're all well in the meantime.
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That's it for now, have a lovely week, and please,
now more than ever, be excellent to each other.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Fast back back bat backs, A back back backs us
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back us back back back backs back by back back,
last back back
Lukey, you surely choose to be benied with. Hello, and
welcome to Films to be buried with. My name is
Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor writer director at
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Compass Rose and I love films. As Mark Twain once said,
against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand, which is
why both Finger has been charged with GBH Every week
and a special guest over, I tell them they've died,
then I get them to discuss their life through the
films that men the most of them. Previous guests include
Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone and even Read Rambles.
But this week we have actor, producer and director mister
(00:43):
Justin Hartley. My comedy special The Second Best Night of
Your Life is extreaming now on Max and on Sky.
Give it a what you'll fucking love it. Head over
to the Patreon at patreon dot com forwards last Brett Goldstein,
where you get next to twenty minutes with Justin. We
talk secrets, beginnings and endings. You get the whole episode,
Adfrey anders a check it out over at Patreon dot
com forwards. That's Brett Goldstein. So Justin Hartley. You might
(01:06):
know Justin Hartley from his roles and this is us
or as Green Arrow in Smallville. He now stars in
Tracker on CBS, and he can be seen in the
film Brideheart. I recorded this with Justin on Zoom and
it was so lovely to hang out with him. I
really think you're gonna love this one. So that is
it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode
three hundred and fifty eight of Films to be Buried With. Hello,
(01:39):
and welcome to Films to be Buried With. This is
me Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by an actor,
a producer. Hey, this is user, a Green arrower, a
bad Mum's Christmas, a Tracker rough, a changing up productioner,
a hero, a legend, one of the great TV stars
of the last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
He's here.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
He's amazing. We can't believe he's here, but here he is.
I'm looking right at him. Please, welcome to the show.
It's the brilliant it's Justin Harley.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
All right, good to be here. This is this is exciting.
This is very exciting.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Justin Hartley.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I've been a fan of yours since Smallville. Smallville may
have been the last big many many, many, many episodes
type show that I watched all of us every left.
Smoville loved it. You know who else did because they
were on my podcast recently, the Philippoo twins who made
talk to Me and bring her back. Oh really, both
(02:36):
of them obsessed with Smoville every episodeide.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Okay, yeah, yeah, no, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I mean it was that was a long time and
it was one of those things that happened to me
where I was sort of a weird story. I got
cast in as pilot. Leaders of Smallville were doing this
pilot called Aquaman. I think it was called Mercy Reef
at the time, and they're calling it pocacle Man because
it was about you guessed Aquaman and the pot ended
up not going and for whatever reason there was a
change of regime. It was also probably didn't turn out
(03:04):
exactly the way they wanted. For whatever reason, it didn't go,
and so that was sort of heartbreaking. That was my
first experience with that. I just assumed the course of
a go because it's Aquaman and I had experienced that before.
He worked so hard on it, and it's so naive
to think about that now after everything that you know,
I've gone to like, what was I thinking? Of course,
you know, I did, nothing happened, and I spending money
(03:24):
on Amador when I don't smoke cigars because I think
I'm going to be more than one of these shows.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And then it never saw the light of day.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
But long story short, the creators of Small Will ended
up wanting me to come on onto that show and
play the Green Arrow.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And it was a I think it was a three
episode game.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It was like a month come in for a month,
month and a half, do this, and then leave, you know,
And it ended up people really liked it, thankfully, and
it stuck around for you know, one hundred years, so
it was great.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I remember being very impressed because you come into it
quite late, right, It was like it wasn't season six.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Because they'd had the guy who onto the Supernatural who
was also he'd done a good run and then they
turned him into a bad guy.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Jensen he uh yeah, he plays my brother on Tracker, right, yes,
you yeah, yeah, he's incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
And so I remember you joining and being really impressed
because I think it's hard coming in season six and
everyone loves the cast, and then you have to sort
of make your mock and.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, and you're coming in and you know you're wearing
wearing a super Suita's back. Now it's like everyone's doing it.
But back in the day, it was like, this is
back when you did camera tests and all that kind
of stuff. And you're doing these camera tests and there's
a second where you feel you pretty cool, and then
you know, you leave the dressing room and you're in
green leather and you walk out and you're seeing everybody
else is in jeans and looking like normal human beings,
and then you feel like a complete ful, you know,
(04:45):
and you're just like, what have I just signed on for?
I mean literally, you're in the hands of other people.
It's a lot of trust, right, so it can go
either way.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And you know, we didn't. We didn't really know. We
just kind of went for it and and it ended
up working out. It's great.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So tell me.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'm always interested in people that you who have done
You've now done? Am I right? Forgive me if I
don't know all of your stuff. You've done three huge,
three hit, big hit TV shows right long Running, you
did Smallville, This is Us, and now you have Track.
But theyre more those are the three big ones, right,
I mean I.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Would say those are the three, those are the three
biggest ones. Yeah, I mean those are the ones that
I've been the biggest.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Part of as well.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I've done in small parts, I've had small parts in
big shows, but those are the three that I spend
a lot of time on.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, and in your head having done that, like, it's
quite unusual to have that level of success really, as
in the shows themselves are kind of in all cases
like quite big culturally as well, like beloved things. Yeah,
do you think you're lucky or you're just very good
at choosing these things? Or like, how do you think
that's happened?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I think it's both. I think it's both. I think
I really do.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I mean, so, I'll tell you the small vill of
it all was a huge hit before you know, I
showed up and continued to be and really had nothing
to do with me. It had to do with the
writers and the creators and Tom Welling and Michael Rosenbaum
and all those guys, the originals, and I just kind
of I stepped into that and I got really lucky
and ended up, you know, making this character that was
(06:15):
supposed to make a quick exit, interesting enough to where
people wanted to see more more of him. So that
was that, and then This is Us. A friend of
mine read the script and sent it to me and
was like, you got to read this. This is one of
the best things I've ever read. And I was like, well, man,
I'm an embrace.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I love reading. I read the script and I agreed.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I was like, this is the This may be the
greatest episode of television I've ever read in my entire life.
It was incredible. I didn't see them, oh my gosh.
And I had a different take on the on the audition,
I remember that I remember thinking that it.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Was tragically it was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
This guy Kevin, my character talking about that is going
through this crisis of identity and he's talking he's liking
it to the Challenger explosion.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He's just way over dramatic, and I was, but I
thought was I had funny in a really sadistic kind
of way.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And here's a guy who's at his birthday party surrounded
by beautiful people and he doesn't know any of them.
We've got no friends, you know, and he's going through
this early midlife crisis. And I got them to laugh
at a uh, So I thought, well, that's good. I
ended up getting that job, and then the show took off.
I mean, Dan Foegelman his genius. Obviously, he's sensational, one
of the greatest writers ever. And then through that I
(07:26):
I met Ken Olan, who was our directing producer on
that show.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
You I before This Is Us.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Ended, we knew we had one more year left. He
was always designed to sort of end a certain way,
and we were kind of talking about how we had
become pretty close over the years and we wanted to
continue to work together what she'd do, and so we
were looking for different projects and we found this book,
Never Game, Jeffrey Deaver book, and we ended up adapting that,
and the studio and the network got behind it, and
with that, you never know, it was just like, Okay, we're.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Gonna we're gonna shoot this pilot. I really like it.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I think it's exciting. There's something different about this character.
I don't think we've ever seen this before, really, and
I think it's the right time, you know, for people
to see.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Something like this.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And it ended up ended up doing I mean, way
better than we could have possibly imagined.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So so I think.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
A lot of it is luck, a lot of it
is timing, and then it's just you know, obviously you
have to be ready for it when it comes.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Will you ever in any of these things, like they're
very long, long running and long lots of websites like
how is it sort of existing in that? Do you
get like I've had enough of this and then you
come back round to I love it? Like is it
does it go in waves? Or are you just in it?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And you know, I mean, I think I would be
lying if I didn't say we get tired. People get tired, obviously,
but the idea of going to work, even if it's
a fight scene, you know you're going to be fighting
for five or six hours, That of course is exhausting
thinking about and I know, I know you work out
a lot. Thinking about going to the gym sometimes is exhausting, right, yeah,
But when you're done, you're never really I mean you're wiped,
(08:51):
right because you beat your body up a bit, But
in other words, you're never really thinking, Man, I wish.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Oh yeah, was never never so and when you're in it,
I don't like when I'm on set or if i'm
rehearsing or preparing, time just flies by, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Sometimes it is that the thought of like, okay, and
I do this with auditions.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Even I remember when I would audition, I would sort
of be upset that I wasn't getting auditions, you know,
and when I would get one, I would immediately become
exhausted at the thought for this thing.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It's it's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Then you feel so guilty because you're like, what is
wrong with me? I got I got the audition. A
lot of my friends aren't even getting these, and I'm
complaining about impossible. I'm complaining about not getting them. I'm
complaining when I get it, I'm impossible. So but I
think that's just human nature.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, So I tell you a secret that I'm not
supposed to tell you, but I think it's I think
I would like it. So one of the Ted lassa rights,
So we're writing season four of Ted Last Day, and
she's obsessed with you, and she's obsessed with your show.
I had your news show. And so when we have
the boards on our wall of like you know, the
seasons one, all the ads and anytime we're slightly confusing,
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Speaker 2 (10:08):
To track. That's great. We don't even do that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So you're on our you're on our wool, on our
board to remind us. Yeah, we need to track this type.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Okay, we're gonna have to return the favor somehow.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I'll figure it out the favor.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
That's I'm not hilarious.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, you're that's great, Justine Harley. I've forgot to tell
you something. Fuck god, it's mad, you know. It's fucking
mad that I didn't tell you this up. Oh no,
you've got it. Yeah, no, I'll tell you you got it. Okay,
what is it? You've died? You're dead? What you're dead?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
D e d you're dead?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Oh man, how did you die?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, you're not messing around. It's sort of coming back
to me a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I don't remember all of it. It's not how I
imagined it. Oh right, yea, yeah, it's coming back to me. Okay,
So I should tell you something. I've always had this
sort of I'm sort of a homebody in general. I
would say major homebody in general. And I always had
sort of this fear of skydiving. It's not a fear
of skydiving. Actually, it's not a fear of heights. It's
not a fear of skydiving. It's it's been a lifelong
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fear of dying skydiving. Not because I'm afraid of heights,
not because you know anything like that. I'm afraid of
how people will talk about me if I die skydiving.
And like I think, when I die, I want people
to be sad, if not for a day. And I
feel like if I if I go skydiving and I
die skydiving, people are just going.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
To say, well, shouldn't jump out of planes? You know
what I mean? And I think that's not That's not
I want people to say, you think that? So I do.
I think people I think that because that's that's I've been.
I would do that.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I've done that before where I've been like, well, person
shouldn't have been jumping out of a plane, which is
so insensitive of course, but right, sky dive, I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Want skydive death is one of my top three deaths.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
It's it's it's I see because you're living out but see.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You you're not afraid of what people.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You're You're irrational about it.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You're not afraid of what people are going to say
when you're dead, because what do you care you're dead?
I'm irrational about it, and I think about things I
shouldn't think about, like what what the hell people are
saying about me after I'm dead?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Who cares? You're dead?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But there's much like I'm thinking, skydiver.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You could burn. There's much worse, of course, but you.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Could die, you know, wanking in a cupboard with about Ranji.
That would be. They would talk about you much more.
They would probably make more, but with.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
A slight but with a sly brind right, but you
really trying to have a good time, no matter what,
no matter what he was, Hey, you know he was
he was bored and he, uh, what do you want?
The guy?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
The guy was always a great time, you know what.
They would talk about you like that, not about like, well.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
What you jumped out of a plane? What the hell
was he thinking? That's why you do that?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You would rather die whang king in a cupboard than
jumping out of a play. You would rather.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
One hundred million percent.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And it's too late now though, because I've already I'm
not going to die twice.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
But yeah, I wish, I wish I would have gone
that way, but it didn't. It didn't turn out that
way for me.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
What ended up happening was I I because, like I said,
I'm this massive homebody and I thought, you know what,
this is crazy. I I got to get out there
and I got to like be more adventurous, you know, really, like,
I mean, what, what's what are the odds really skydiving
death is?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I looked it up.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's actually very very rare, and people have a lot
of fun doing it, So I won't. And I get
on the plane and I'm nervous, right, and I'm like,
am I tempting fate?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
This is weird?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I hope it's not my time, you know, when it's
your timey, it's a time. I get up there and
I'm up in the plane. Where are you which which
I'm over California. Just just just buy my house, Yeah,
buy my house and near Los Angeles. And we go
up and the co pilot looks back at me like
they're doing something wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And he looks to the pilot.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
There's two of them, and he taps the pilot and
he says something I don't hear what he says. And
the pilot turns around, looks at me, and I see
him lipping Tracker. He's a Tracker fan, right, which is.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Good and bad.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I'm like, Okay, great, they're going to take care of me.
But bad because he just sends to forty thousand feet
because it's like this guy can do anything. Yeah, yeah,
probably doesn't even need to shoot. Yeah, So I'm now
forty thousand feet. I know, like I've done in my homework.
I know you can't jump like this is crazy. You
jump like ten fifteen thousand something like that, right, you
don't jump at forty And I've never done this before.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
They put the thing on me.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I got no tandem, nothing, and my mouth starts to
gets so dry.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I'm getting caught mouth. Now.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I remember I have this lozenge in my pocket. I'm like,
I better take this because I don't want to all
the wind in my face. You know, I'm probably gonna
choke on my tongue, so I pop this thing in
my mouth. It's a life saver, ironically, and I just
start choking, start choking.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I haven't even jumped out of the plane yet.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I'm on my knees and I'm choking on this life
saver and everyone thinks I'm joking because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
They think it's funny because I'm not. You know, They're like, obviously,
he's fine. I die.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I roll out of the plane, out of the hat
to hatch the door. I drop like a stone through
the atmosphere forty thousand feet as luck would have it,
this homebody that went out once on an adventure of
a lifetime. I plummet into the earth, into my roof,
into my bedroom, and I die right there in my bed.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Bullseye.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
That is a fucking great death.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
From a lifesaver. It's not bad.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I mean I would rather have lived, honest, I would
rather have just ship goes open.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
But the tracker is very popular, and so I blame
the show.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
What's good is you could? Because I always you know,
when people talk about dying in bed with their loved
ones around you, maybe that was alone ones, but maybe
they were in your bedroom looking for you, and then
when you crashed through dead you did.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I am no maybe I yeah, I will never know.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Or I could have My wife could have been sleeping
in and I crushed her too. I have no idea
because wow, yeah, yeah, it's not the way I planned it.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Wow, that's a pretty great death. But you're people will
I've got to be honest, people will talk about that.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
It's a bullseye.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, I think about that for a long time. I
think that might you can never go home overshadow some
of your work because I think people would talk about
that death forever.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I hope. So it's all I have left.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Do you worry about that?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You know? I worry?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Oh gosh, I try not to, and and you know,
I think I do more and more as I as
I get older, which is a constant reminder that I'm
getting older because I never thought about it when I
was younger.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Ever, right, I think that's normal. It's just not something
you think about when you're when you're young.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And then as I've gotten older, yeah, you start to
think about things like making sure your kids are all
set up, making sure your finances are in order, making
sure you've said you know, the way you handle yourself now,
the way people are going to remember you, Making sure
you don't have any weird ship laying around your house.
Like when you die, people go through your stuff and
they're like, this guy was a kinky you.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Know whatever, all that weird stuff that people playing.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, yeah, just the weird stuff, Like I just want
to make sure everything is is buttoned up before before
tickets punch.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
What about after after life? Do you think there is one?
What do you think happens?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
You know what? I think jury is still up? I hope. So.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I think it's such a bleak thought of just the
lights go out, and I mean all this for nothing
kind of thing, you know, not to say that this
is purgatory, and I don't I don't know, but I
think I just really think life is such a gift
to the idea of going out and just having it
be gone gone because people say, well, I've heard people say, well,
you know, it's religious hard to grasp when you're in
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heaven and this I'm like, okay, well, isn't it also
hard to grasp that the like switch just goes off
and then it's nothing.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's also hard to grasp, right, Yeah, So I hope, So,
I sure hope.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
So.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, I've got good news for you. Justin Hartley, there's
a heaven and you're going, hey, I made it. Heaven
is filled with your favorite thing? What is your favorite thing?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Well, my favorite thing is movies, and uh movies and
baseball movies in baseball, well.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Let's tell you what heaven. You know what heaven's a
bit like field dreams. There's this beautiful baseball diamond and
you can play whenever you want, you can watch whenever
you want. That's the baseball players there, Babe, Roofs there,
great the other ones.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And they all know you know, your baseball.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Sea is there.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Look at you.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Look he was in the movie, yeah, and the Gazer.
But but he's there there there and.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
All the greats, all the greats.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Brendan, he's there there.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Okay, all right, great.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
And everyone very excited to see you. And they want
to talk to you about your life, but they want
to talk to you about your life through films. And
the first thing they ask you, what is the first
film you remember seeing?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Justin Haley, I thought about that, and I was sort
of vacillating between a few and if I don't remember
if it was first or not. But I'll just tell
you the first thing that came to mind. I don't
know how accurate it is, but Back to the Future
is the first movie I remember seeing that. I mean,
it made a huge impact on me. I couldn't believe
they were doing things in that movie story wise, and
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I mean just this the concept, the idea of it.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And also I haven't seen it in a.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
While, although I did watch it maybe maybe six or
seven years ago with my daughter. But the technology they
were doing at the time, and the time travel and
the Fox capacitor and the DeLorean, and I mean it
was just so cool and the crazy, you know scientist
with his hair and you know, Mike Jay Fox was
on fire.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It was just his charisma and everything that he was doing.
And I mean I've probably seen that movie thirty times,
thirty or forty.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Wow, it's a great fucking film. It's believable, and it's
also a really weird film. That's what what I watched
it recently four years ago, and it's brilliant. But you're like, yeah,
I don't think this film would get made certainly in
this way. It would have much more nights.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Which is kind of sad. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, it's very strange, and there's weird stuff with his
mom and oh yeah, there's so much attractions.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Oh yeah, that's right. The attraction thing. She kind of
fell for him, which I kind of understood.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Because it's her. She made him right yet, but she
had made the guy came from her, and that was
a kind of a weird Yeah, that was a weird moment.
It was when you think about that, like what would happen?
It's really odd if your if your if your mother
didn't know that you or her son.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
But she's obviously in love with you.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
She's your mother, and yeah, they might have had a
great time.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
They might have had a great time.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
We don't know. Well when you saw that, were you like, oh,
I want to do this? What did you just enjoy it?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I wanted to learn.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I wanted to acting. You mean no, no, I never
thought that I could do it. Never even dawned on
it never occurred to me that that's you know. I
would watch these actors and they seem so larger than life,
and I almost looked at it like like.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Michael J.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Fox is a different species, Tom Cruise a different species.
These guys are. I can't even imagine them breathing the
same error that I breathe. But I wanted a skateboard,
and I wanted a Dolorean, and I wanted and I
started to think maybe time travels possible, Like it really
did change, you know, the way I.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Looked at life as a kid.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Really, I did one to guys to school via the
back of a truck on a skateboard.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Heck yeah, oh free ride awesome with Huey Lewis Blarin.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, it'd be great. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
What's the film that scared you the most? Do you
like being scared?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I don't mind being scared. I don't I don't mind
being scared. I don't like being Uh. I don't like
walking into a room and having somebody to go like that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I don't like that.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And the reason I don't like that is because I'm
a It's I don't have any control over it. I
just I I'll punch, I'll punch or I'll kick, like
because I'm scared. So a lot of people scared and
they go like that, like when I scare, I got
I It's it's not even something I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I can't control it. But I don't mind.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Being scared at the movies, and it takes a lot,
so I respect it. Yeah, because you think you see
something coming, and when it's done right, it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
The shining.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Uh, I mean that was that was you know, minute
after minute that that was you.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Were when you watch that movie.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
At least for me, I was stressed out in a
good way without even knowing it. Your your heightened level
of awareness when you're watching that movie, even when he's
just sitting there listening.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Or usually talking, you're you're horrified. Yeah, I mean that was,
uh what are iconic performance? But I mean what a
movie too?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah? That was that you could that still holds up
really and it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah. The women in the bath, yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Someone told me they went through Someone told me. I
don't know if it's true or not, but they went
through sixty doors. I guess to get that shot right accidently. Yeah, sixty,
which means I guess there were sixty takes at least,
which is quite a few.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I've never done sixty takes, No, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I often think that, what's the best amount of takes
you've done at any take?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Oh man, I've been in the twenties before, I've been
in the twenties. Yeah, but it was a lot of
technical stuff. I've never been in the twenties like because
of performance. Thank god, I would if the performance was bad,
I would I would, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Sure, I guess there's eluxtuit. When I read about Fincher
and Kubrick doing one hundred takes whatever, there's a sort
of budget luxury, as in, I think I've ever worked
an we had that kind of time.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You don't have that kind of time.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, But I'm also like, that's a fucking nightmare for
the edit. That's a nightma. You've got a hundred fucking takes.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh, I mean you're killing these people. I can't you imagine, Like,
how any different ways could you do this? You know,
I guess a hundred.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I guess one hundred unless they're very sure. I've never
understood if it's if it is a hundred on the day,
if they're like, that's the one, or they're going I
just write one hundred options for the edit.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I think if it's if it's a hundred, I would
hope that the hundredth was the one they took.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, I forget.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I did a movie with a who became this man
became a really really dear friend of mine, passed away recently.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Charles Shire. He's a he directed Father of the Bride. Yes,
I knew him.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
We did a movie together and I got to know
him pretty well, and I just adored him. And when
he died, I didn't realize how what an effect that
would have on me until I thought of not having
him around.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I couldn't call him, couldn't not that we talked every day.
I'm not saying that, but just you know, these certain.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
People come into your life, your life, and you you
just go poof, They're gone, you know, and you just well,
how could that be? He was so full of life
and everybody loved him, and I mean that.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Was I would.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
I had to pull over the car a few times
and by myself and just be like, man, I gotta
get my head that this is really affecting me in
such a way. I didn't really see that coming, but
you know, I went off on that tangent, but somehow
I was just reminded of I guess we're talking about
Dave of Charles Yam.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, well was it about the takes a number of takes?
And well, yeah, that's right, that's.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Right, the good thank you you're following.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
He directed Father of the Bride, and I forget how
many takes he said, but he said he made Steve
Martin do that speech at the in Father of the
Bride where he's in the chair. I think he said
something like thirty or forty something or fifty something or whatever.
It was wow, And I remember asking him he was like, oh,
he never said anything about just what we've you know,
we got it and it was really great and it
was performance of a lifetime that was really brilliant. And
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I finally asked him, I was Steve Martin, did he
get upset at you?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And he was.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
He didn't say he got upset. He was just like,
I mean you could tell it was like, what's this
man doing? Like is he punishing me?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
On perfect? Like what's going on here?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
You know, because you got to feel and you and
as an actor, right, you start to get self conscious,
like at any level, even if someone's made wrong more
than like three times, even I'm like, is there is
there something you for me?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Like I'm not doing like communicate this? Is it a
folk Hopefully it's.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
A focus pull or something, but yeah, yeah, it's that
that that luxury of time and all that.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
We just don't have it on TV on my show.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
But then there's also like I hear like Ridley Scott
just has like ten cameras covering so many different wedding
and then he'll do like three takes, two takes, and yeah,
got its interesting. What is the film that made you cry?
The mist? And now you a cry?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I guess?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I mean I cry when it's necessary. I think human
beings need to cry every once in a while.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I wouldn't consider myself a crier at all, though, but
I certainly do. You sometimes you can't help it. I
mean unless you have a dead heart, right.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I tried.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I think I've everybody I've ever met my life that
I that I know you try, you try as hard
as I can. I think everybody that I've known for
longer than six months, I've seen them at least well up.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I mean, if we weren't run by our.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Emotions, this world would be a life would be a
lot easier women, I mean, it would be boring.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
It would be like that's what we're run by.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
So the film that maybe I have two if I may,
you may, they're very different. So one is an older
film with Michael Keaton called My Life.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Have you seen this?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
With Nicole Kidman? I fucking love.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And when when she finds out what he's been doing
recording this stuff and he teaches him, teaching how to
shave and everything, because he finds out he's got this
cancer and he won't be there for his kid to
teach him how to grow up and be a man.
Or It's just like he's leaving him all these tapes
and I'm thinking, how perfect is that? And then the
heartbreak is when you realize that he wasn't telling he
didn't tell her about it.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
She's going to that room, she's watching.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
These tapes, and it was like, oh, what a perfect
way to show case the fact that this woman is
holding on to stuff, she's holding on by a very
thin thread, and she's finally like she's being faced with
like falling into this moment of what it's going to
be like when this is all you have of him
or the memories and these tapes heartbreaking, heartbreaking And I
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don't know if this is a more recent film.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Nicholas Cage Pig, did you see Pig?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Pig is fucking brilliant.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Brilliant and that performance is incredible.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yes, And when he starts talking about the pig about
because it's you think it's this really gifted truffle pig,
like really gifted Trump, he sort of talks about the
fact that she couldn't smell a truffle.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Of landed on our nose. It's just amazing, right, what
a movie? What a movie?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
That is a film about grief, isn't it. I love
that absolutely. It's a film about grief that was sowed
as a revenge. It was sold like it was taken
with a pig.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So well done.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, and then you watch it, you're like, fuck, this
is beautiful.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
I walked out of we have a little viewing room
here and my wife and I were walking Big Nickel's
cage fans. We walked out and we were standing in
the kitchen and it was one of those moments where
talk about are you a crier? Not necessarily and categorize
myself as a crier, but there was a good, solid
I don't know if you've ever had this with three
or four minutes where I knew if I try to speak,
nothing would come out.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It's a really powerful feeling. You know.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
It reminds you that you're alive, and and it also
makes you proud to be an actor when you see
a performance like that and go wow, the way that
that movie affected me and other people, and you think
maybe there was a performance that that I gave or
a show that I was a part of, or something
that had an effect.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
On someone like that. That is really It's profound and humbling,
isn't it? Well?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
This is this is us? Was made you cry every
single week without fair Yeah, every week that was hopefully
hopefully last. Oh yeah it was funny shows but.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You oh, you were in for it.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And I see I hear people all time to like,
oh I binge like the first like yesterday, my husband
I bene like the first five episodes that I'm like,
what are you a massachist?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
You spent five hours? How do you do that? You
bring your gatorade? Like, what are you doing in that
five hours? Really? Wow?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
My sister al said, love, love love that she would
just cool me crying.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I just the last that will sneak up on you
when you don't see it.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Coming and you're like, oh, come on, but you want
but you want it, you know what I mean, you
definitely want it, And then it delivers and you're like, yes,
this is how you do TV.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, that's because we've been using tracks.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
A track here, that's right, you got Yeah, it was, yeah,
it was using.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
What is the film that you love. People don't like it.
It is not critically acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally.
Just In Hartley, what is it?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
All right?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I'm gonna I'm going to spin on this a little
bit if I may. This is not it's I don't
think it's not critically acclaimed. I think it's not well known.
Although I do love Halle Berry's Catwoman, I do. Okay,
that's a great yep. Yeah, but this movie is I
feel I feel like it probably is critically acclaimed. I
don't really know, but it's not well known and it's
staying on the Nicolas Cage train.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Have you seen The Weatherman? I fucking love The weather Man?
Isn't that something else? This movie?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
What do you like? Everything about it?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
That makes me cry as well?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Try you laugh?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
When he hits the snowball, he's sorry, the whole secret
note thing that you're supposed.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
To do, and the first thing he does is open
it up. It's just like, this is why your marriage
isn't working.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Man.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
He's this is a whole trust exercise and you blew it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
You blew it, and right away you know, yes, yeah,
it was a great, great movie.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Michael Caine wonderful.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
That's a fucking great set.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Like a mainstream Nicholas Kate nearly no move. It's a
great one.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Oh yeah, No, he was. He was, Yeah, he was
the weather. He was he was playing the straight guy.
Just kind of couldn't anything. He even says it in
the movie. They're like they're trying toigure out what's wrong
with him, and he just says, I can't. It was
heartbreaking and he just goes, I can't knuckle down. And
I thought, Wow, a grown man with kids went through
a divorce is saying I can't knuckle down.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
He's on the verge of a nervous breakdown. And what
does a man do?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
You know when he's on the verge of it, you
know you don't want to tell anyone, I guess. And
there's all these He just crushed that role in the story,
the script of everything.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But the way they lit it tonally, it was that
the Grays took place in Chicago. I think it was great.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, nice film, good chot. What is the film that
you used to love but you've watched it recently and
you do not like it anymore because you've changed.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Well, I hate to say this because I still like
the film because Tombstone.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
You know, Tombstone.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, I love Toomstone, but I haven't watched it in
many years.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, don't time. Okay, it was.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I have probably in my life quoted that movie over
a hundred times. I probably could write this, I know it.
It's incredible from anywhere from Billy Bob Thornton coming in
there to you know, one of the greatest perform I
mean that dark Holiday performers. Paul Kilmer was incredible. Why
are really hard character to play? Russell nailed it, of course,
like he always does. But I just thought it was
(31:53):
the coolest film, like something I'd never seen before. And
maybe it's because they're making so they made so much
of that geen afterwards, and they did it so well
even in televisionhows like dead Wood and things like that.
Yeah right, I just think the bars So maybe they
should I don't know. I was gonna say maybe they
should read do Tombstone, but I don't think they should. This,
this is this is making me want to watch it
again and change my mind about it, because I do
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have a love for Tombstone.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
You make me want what's Deadwood again? Is dead with
the greatest TV show ever.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Not that I mean I think I don't think anybody
would laugh you out of the room if you said that.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Help three top Free for sure. What is the film
that means the most to you? Not necessarily the film
is good, but the experience you had seeing the film
makes it special to you forever.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Justin Harley, Yeah, I've got I've got one for you
that not only is it special to me forever, but it.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Is great, a great film.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
And the little story behind this is so I have
I have a twenty one year old daughter. There was
a big part of my life between what was it
like two thousand and three or four two thousand and three,
probably to like twenty thirteen, fourteen. Word, I didn't watch
a lot of movies. I have time, so a lot
of movie I'm sort of catching up on them now, right.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And it's my wife's favorite movie of all time. And
I was sure that i'd seen it, of course, I'm like,
of course I've seen it. Everyone's seen The Gladiator, everyone's
seen it. And then I realized it's almost like I've
seen so many clips from it, and I've heard so
much about it, and it dawned on me. I don't
think I've ever sat down and watched the actual film, right,
even though I know it because it's it's the site
guy so much for decades, right, And I sat down
(33:25):
and watched that film, and I remember thinking, like, it's
so strange that that's her favorite film of all time,
of all time, really, And then I watched it and
I was like, well, it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Perfect movie.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
It's there's not one little moment in that movie that
you're like this bullshit. I mean, it's it's so good
when he looked even at the very beginning when he
looks at the before he goes into war, and he
looks at them before he goes into battle, and.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
He looks at the bird and kind of takes that
little smile and then.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
The bird and then he's like, boom, here we are.
And he's just prepared for death the whole time. And
he gets kidnapped. I mean, the whole thing. It's just
it's riveting from cover to cover, you know, credit to credit, unbelieve.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
And also the first time they used Overly died filming it,
And was it the first time they used like CGI
to fill him in or something.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I don't know. If it was the first time. But
they definitely did. They definitely did.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, I mean it might have been the very first time.
You can tell when you watch it, if you're looking
for it, you can, you can see it.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
But yeah, okay, it's the gas. That's a great movie, lovely.
What about the film you most relate to? What's the
film you most relate to.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
There's a movie called Beautiful Girls.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I love Beautiful Girls.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Nowy Portman, Timothy Hutton, and Dyan Yeah, Uma Thurman's in it.
Everyone's in it.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, Scott Rosenberg, right, is that right?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, it's great. It's just a great movie. And I
was this is way back in the day.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I was renting I don't even remember it's VHS or DVD,
but I was renting a movie. I forget what the
movie was, some action movie probably, and I get home
and they had put the wrong employer or whatever. I
put the wrong disc or movie in the in the
right So I ended up with this movie, Beautiful Girl.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So I was like, what the hell is this? I
was ready to watch I don't know, probably Top Gun
or something.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I have no idea, And I was like, guy, I god,
I might as well put it in the Timothy Hutton
character when he's this musician and he goes back for
his high school reunion and he's sort of at that
place where he's got to figure out what he's going
to do. I mean, it's like he's at that age
right where he can can no longer continue doing what
he's doing in the manner in which he's doing it
and grow up. He's got to figure something out, right,
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make concessions or go for it, or whatever whatever it is.
And I think at that point in my life I
was kind of at the same point, except for the
fact that I didn't know what I wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I knew I had a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Of different interests, in a lot of different passions for
a lot of different things, but it never occurred to
me that you could be an actor.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I still at that time, I was like, I don't
know how to do it. I don't know how people
do it. How would I? And then it turns out
you just have to be an idiot and get in
your car and drive the Los.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Angeles and just try, try, try, try, try, and you
have to be a total you have to be a
total moron.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
And thank God, I think I was, Yeah, you have
to be someone.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I was talking with someone about this the other day.
They worked in Broadway. They were a Broadway musical person,
and they said, if someone had told me when I
was like queuing up for like background auditions, and they
were like, I can't remember the number, it was something
like one in one hundred thousand, we'll get this. She said,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't have done it, and I was like, yeah,
you would, because you did, you know what I mean, Like,
(36:24):
I don't think that would. I think the reality is, yeah,
it's a fucking it is mad.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
It's hard to remember too. It's hard to remember when
you didn't have I think it's a lot easier. I've
often thought of that too. I've thought about what I did.
I'm like, Wow, that's brave, and then there's part of
me that's like, well that that's really reckless. Well, you know,
it's taken out of context, like right now, it would
be reckless because I have a lot of responsibilities. Right
it would be totally reckless. It's just abandon people and
be like I'm gonna do what I want to do.
But when you're young, you don't really have anything. You
(36:52):
might have a little bit of debt.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
You might not have any debt, you might have some bills,
you don't really have any responsibilities. Yeah, that's the time
to do it.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Really, but it is a mad thing today, completely mad.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And it's completely made very very very very very very
very lucky. We're very lucky.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
What is the sexiest film you've ever saying? Justin how
they think it's probably Dirty Dancing? Okay, now you see
you disagree with me. No, I didn't listen. Day Dancing
is a wonderful film and a sexy film. But that
sounds like an answer you're giving two impressed women.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
No, no, I no, not at all.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
In my mind.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
I'm not trying to impress in my in my uh
in my version of Dirty Dancing, there was a lot
that went on behind the scenes if they didn't show
on the camera, right, I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I thought it was very you know, you have you
have the quote unquote help that these people are coming
these country cute people are coming in and they really
don't talk to these people.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They don't fragnize with these people.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
They're there to serve them and to help them learn
how to dance or you know, give them coffee or
champagne or whatever, and this woman kind of falls in love.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
With the bad boy, right, Yeah, And uh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I thought there was something really there's something really suxy
about you have like a lane that someone tells you
you're supposed to be in. This is where we play
over here, and the power of love and lust and
the wanting it transcends all of that, and then you're
really out of control.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
There's really nothing that anyone can do about it. You're
you're sort of you know, you're running wild in the streets.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I'm convinced that's a very good answer. I fucking loved
it dancing. I have a sister, so I have seen
it two hundred times and I watched it again recently
to see if it holds up, and it absolutely holds up.
The only thing that does funny is that when you
think about it, at the end, when he goes on
stags and he says hey, and he does his big speech,
(38:39):
most of the people in that room must be thinking,
who the fuck is this guy wasn't talking about?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, it was kind of it was lost on them.
I think he's talking about what happened?
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Is he talking about what's happened?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
But it's a brilliant film and I love the its
like they're not going to be together after this see
each other.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Do you remember watching I'm sure you saw a fight club? Yes, okay,
do you remember when Brad Pitt had a cigarette out
of his mouth and he was like standing there and
he was ready to fight in the thing and he's
just like just ripped beyond belief. It looked like like
just chose a lot of clay and that sort of change.
I think that changed the way that dudes, that men
were like, I want my body to look like that,
because before that people watched WWF wrestling used to be
(39:27):
ww ON and you were wanted to be big and
hulking and all that.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
And then when you saw.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Brad Pitt what he did with his body, he carved it,
Everyone's like, that's what I want. Especially I think women
were like, that's what I want, right, Yeah. But Patrick
Swayze and dirty Dancing was the og of that.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yes, yeah, yes, I mean he he dialed that ship in.
That looked like a lot of hard work, a lot
of discipline.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Right, you know, the other guy is completely underrated in
the area. Brendan Frasier. When I watched like this guy's and.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
He was too, he was big, he worked a lot. Yeah,
that must have been at least two three hours in
the gym, just in the morning, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Jesus Well, there's a sub category to this question. Traveling
behind is worrying. Why don't film you found arousing? You went, sure,
you ship Bridesmaids. I think it's going You don't get
it so much better? What's better than I mean, a
woman that can.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Make you laugh? Right? Yeah, agreed, there's nothing better. There's
not because of that point of view, a sense of
humor from that point of view.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
It is just the point of view that I don't have, right,
and to hear that point of view, I mean, I
don't think there's anything better than that or sexier than that.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I mean, I do agree. So you'll say, you're watching
Bridesmaids with it by the hotel.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Okay, not the whole time, not the whole time, not
the entire time.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Maybe that part, maybe that part, Maybe that's that was
the only part. Actually that was the only part.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I guess alone is the son What is objectively the
greatest film of all time might not be your favorite,
but it is objectively the greatest, objectively greatest film of all.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Time, as good as it getst wow, as good as
it gets. And I think I can make that argument
in an objective way. Not that not that the oscars
are objective, but I can make this argument. It won
a lot of awards. I think it either it got
nominated and I think it won, might have won Screenplay Actor.
Maybe she went supporting actress or actually I forget. I
(41:37):
think Kneer got nominated for supporting. I could be wrong
on that one, but the movie is, in my estimation perfect.
It's road movie and what's not the love? You got
a guy with an ailment, he's got an impediment. It
was a little ahead of its time because I think
people like, what's wrong with this guy? And now you
look at it and you're like, no, it's it's everywhere.
I mean it's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, I mean was heightened of.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Course, right, and then the love story conversation he has
with her about how he hates pills.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
But she asked for a compliment. Remember, yeah, she goes.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
You got to give me a compliment because he said,
you're wearing a house dress.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
I got to wear a shirt and tie.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
And he's like okay, okay. He starts giving it his compliment.
He goes, I hate pills, this ailment. They gave me
these pills to take.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I hate pills. I hate them. And she's like, what's
the where's the compliment. He goes, okay, after you told
me you wouldn't sleep with me, I started taking the pills.
And she's like, I don't get what this has to
do with me. He goes, you know the line, right,
He goes, you make me want to be a better man. Yeah, yeah, good, wow, great,
right good?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
And you know I heard maybe you know this, someone
tell me that the ending was like kind of improvised.
They didn't have the ending, and I think they were
just filming and filming and then and then James L.
Brooks was like kiss here, just kiss here off camera,
and the kiss and then oh and.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Then he goes, I can do better than that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, great.
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, so it was kind of real. It was like
I can do better next time. And he's like, that's it.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
That's cool. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
I mean it's sweet and it's clever, and it's like
I said, it's got everything, got everything. Fantastic concept so'll
make you cry. When she's talking about to her mother,
she goes, what do you want? She goes, I want
to go out? Remember that whole scene. Yeah, you're just like,
it's just great.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
What's the film you could or have? What's the most
open over again?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Well, it's that one probably, but oh gosh, there's so
many of them. I've probably seen It's a Wonderful Life
three four, five hundred times, probably with Stuart.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I love that movie.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Timeless, No bad way to spend your time? What is
the worst film you ever saw?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
The worst film I ever saw?
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Was like I struggled to even say this because I
don't I don't think anybody should.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Try to watch it. And you know, maybe maybe I
was wrong, Justin was wrong. We'll try to watch this.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Maybe we have a different opinion about it, because it
really is a different opinion you can have. It's called
And at the time, I was this huge Hulk Hogan fan.
When I was a kid, I was a huge Hulk
Hogan fan. Yeah, I would watch wrestling every time he
was on.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I just loved it. I would. I still thought it
was real. He made a movie No holds barred.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Okay, not the alien one.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
I loved I loved Hulk Hogan so much when I
was a kid that I watched that movie and I
convinced myself that I loved the movie.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
It's really what's it?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
What is it about? Is he a wrestler in it?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
That's right? Right?
Speaker 1 (44:14):
What was the one? What was the alien one?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
He did?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Remember when he's an alien?
Speaker 3 (44:18):
No, I don't remember, but I don't know. If I
saw that one, it might be the same movie. Man
they were holding on. I think they were holding onto
the fact that Hulkogan was such a big star that
he could just do no wrong, probably, and that it
probably made a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I knows, but not not in.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Particular Suburban Command. Oh you got it, that's the way.
I didn't see that one.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (44:38):
That's good? That's like?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Is it good?
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah, he's like a fish out of wall. He's an alien.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Well that's cool.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, maybe that will make up for no hoodes. But
what's the film that might you laugh? Device? And will
it based? Aburb and Command die?
Speaker 2 (44:53):
The film that made me laugh the most? I got?
Speaker 3 (44:55):
I have two, I have three, but I narrowed it
down to two. I Meet the Parents for me is
just it's and I think part of it is I
think it's a brilliant script, and I think that the
performances are great still is amazing, But what seeing Robert
de Niro in that role is just he is He's
so funny, yeah, you know, and he's just given this
guy a hard time without really even trying to give
(45:17):
him a hard time. And then I really love wedding Crashers.
I think is yes, incredible, incredibly funny. Now here they're
doing a sequel.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
What was the third one?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Tropic Thunder? Tropic Thunder?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
So many you got you got a pick one guns
a head.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
If I had to pick one, all right, but I
could changed my mind in ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
If I had to pick one right now, just because
of the mood I'm in, I guess I would say
Tropic Thunder.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Justin Hartley, Yo, you have been a delight.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
However, yeah, when you decided, you're like, I'm home, buddy,
it's crazy. I need to fucking do something. How going
the guy skydiving and you get on the plane and
the pilotoks backing you and he goeska and you go,
that's me and he go, all right, you can do anything,
and he goes. He guyes, we ain't doing ten thousand
and we're doing forty thousands. And you're like, oh shit,
(46:06):
and you're nervous. You don't want to look you don't
want to look weak in front of this guy. He
thinks you'll track her, and you're like, I'm gonna have
a lifesaver and that'll calm me down. You take the
lifesaving and it lodges in your throat and you start
going red and the guy's looking back at you and
tears coming at you right, but you're trying to just
hold it together, don't and look on cool like m
really excited, really excited, and then you you die and
(46:32):
you roll and the guy's like, this guy, don't give
a fuck wow, And you just roll out the plane
and you fall. You fall it three thousand miles an hour,
and you reach the terminal with dusty and your wife
is lying in her bed, and your loved ones have
come up, says hey my mom, auntie, whoever all you
(46:53):
love ones are there just to wake ups? Is her
birthday actually, And you crash through the roof of your
else land on your wife, both dead, all your loved
ones around you. They were go ah, they're covered in blood.
And I'm like, Jesus, I'm walking past time with a coffin.
You know, I'm like and I'm like, hey, missus, Harley,
(47:13):
happy birthday. And all your loved ones go come up here.
They're all dead and like what And I come up
the stairs with coming out Jesus Christ a fucking like blood.
Everyone scream I go, guys, you got to help me.
I got a very justin. First we have to peel
you off your wife, I mean you too, like a
fucking cheese and ham sandwich now, and like, oh god,
So we peel you off. And then there's you've picked
(47:34):
up stuff you. There's birds attached to you because you
felt so fuss. She took a load of birds with you.
I'm like, shit, to chop you up. I'm chopping you
up in front of your family. They were screaming like
I just shut up. We got to get him in
the coffin. Get you in the coffin. There's more of
you than I was expecting. You've been working out a lot.
Just put stuff you in there. There's no room in
this coffin. There's only enough room for me to slide
one DVD into the side for you to take across
(47:56):
to the other side, and when you get there, it's
movie night. Every night. One night, it's your movie night.
What film are you taking to show the baseball players
in heaven when it is your movie night? Justin Hartley, please, I'm.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Gonna show them the greatest Christmas movie of all time
that might not even be a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
It's called die Hard. Fucking great, We're going die Hard.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I thought you were gonna say bad Mom's Christmas. But okay, okay,
fucking great.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
What a night.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I don't think I don't think anyone's picked Diehard.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
They're gonna have a great well, it's it's it's Bruce
Willis at his absolute best, right coming off to the
moon Lighting?
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Where that good?
Speaker 3 (48:31):
That dude just rattle off dialogue like nobody's business, and
he goes and does one of the greatest action films
of all time. Everyone started to gauge action films based
on They would call like, oh, this is like the
die Hard of or Dying you know. It became yeah, exactly,
It became the standard by which they were all judged.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, yeah, yep, Justin Hartley, what a delight. You're a
delight is there anything you would like to tell people
to watch or listen to or anything with you in
it coming up?
Speaker 3 (48:59):
I'm on this so hopefully they listening to this, that'd
be great. I think we had a good time. Yeah,
you're amazing, dude. Yeah, you're super fun and hilarious. Appreciate
you you are.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Thank you very much for doing this. Have a wonderful death.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Good day to you. So that was episode three hundred
and fifty eight. Head over to the Patreon at patreon
dot com forwards. Last Brett Goldstein for the extra twenty
minutes of chat sequence and video with Justin Hartley. Go
to Apple Podcasts. Give us a five star rating. But
right about the film that means the most to you
and why it's a very lovely thing to read. It
helps numbers, etcetera. And it's really appreciated by my name
(49:31):
and Maureen. I hope you're all well. Thank you for listening.
Thank you so much for Justin for giving me his time.
Thanks to Scruby's Peeping the Distraction Pieces Network, Thanks the
Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia and Wilferreo's
Big Money Players Network for host to get Thanks to
added Risdom for the graphics and needs to lad them
for the photography. Come and join me next week for
another amazing guest. You won't believe it. Thank you very
much for listening. I hope you're all well in the meantime.
(49:53):
That's it for now, have a lovely week, and please,
now more than ever, be excellent to each other.
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