August 27, 2025 • 52 mins
LOOK OUT! It’s only Films To Be Buried With!
Join your host Brett Goldstein as he talks life, death, love and the universe (again) with the brilliant actor and very lovely man STEVEN CREE! The RESURRECTION!
Back once again (with the ill behaviour), here's a perfect catch up in resurrected form with the excellent friend of the show and friend of Brett's, Steven Cree. The tone is set from the start, which some loyal listeners will remember from around episode 6, is a tone circling around the fun and silly but tethered to good hearts and a lot of soul. There's a ton about past and upcoming roles including being cast in Brett's film 'All Of You' (forthcoming, at time of publishing) and just so many more layers to their initial meeting all those years ago. 7 years ago in fact. Imagine that. Dive in with confidence, it's a delightful one with so much fun and goodness in it. Enjoy!
Video and extra audio available on Brett's Patreon!
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THE SECOND BEST NIGHT OF YOUR LIFE
SUPERBOB (Brett's 2015 feature film)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look how it's only films to be buried with the resurrection. Hello,
and welcome to films to be buried with the Resurrection.
(00:21):
My name is Brett Golderstein. I'm a comedian and actor,
a writer, director of Lazy Susan, and I love films.
As Harold Pinter once said, there are no hard distinctions
between what is real and what is unreal, which is
why Lea the Weapon Form might genuinely be the best
leader weapon film. Every week i'mte special guest diver. I
tell them they've died, and I get them to discuss
their life through the films that men the most of them.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But not this week.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
This week I use my secret shamanic ritualistic powers to
bring back the brilliant actor Stephen Cree. My new film
All of You, which I made with Wilbridges and Imagen Poots,
is out on September twenty sixth in cinemas and on
Apple TV. The trailer for that film is out today.
Make sure you watch it. I really hope you're gonna
(01:03):
love it. Thank you very much for having a look
at it. Very proud of this film, love it so much.
Hope you feel the same way. Please head over to
the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein,
where you get an extra twenty minutes with Stephen. We
talk beginnings and endings. He tells me his secret, so
you get the whole episode uncut, adfree and does a video.
Check it out over at patreon dot com forward Slashbrett
Goldste So Stephen Cree. Stephen Cree is an actor and
(01:26):
a very good friend of mine. You might know him
from his roles in Outlander or The Diplomat. I've known
Stephen for many, many years. He's a very funny man
and he's one of my best friends. We resurrected and
recorded this episode about a year ago, if not more,
And the reason I've had it on hold is because
I wanted to wait until the film was about to
come out. The film is All of You, the trailer
(01:46):
of which is out today. Stephen Cree is also in
that film. He's very very good in it. We recorded
this sometime after shooting it. The only thing you need
to know is that when we recorded this, the film
had a different name. So anytime in this recording that
we say all of You, it might sound like it's
dubbed because it is all right, You're not going mad anyway.
He's such a lovely man. He's a very very funny boy.
(02:08):
I really think you're gonna enjoy this one. That's it
for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode three
hundred and sixty five of Films to be Buried with
the Resurrection. Hello, and welcome to Films to.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Be Buried with the Resurrection.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined again
today back from the dead by an actor.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Please, welcome to the show. It's the brilliant it's Stephen Gray.
Thanks for that. Thanks for that entirely and underwhelming introduction.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I was listening to the Barry Jenkins episodes on the
way down here, actually, and I was. I loved how
efficive you were about it. I wonder, I wonder what
sort of intro I'm going to get?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Do you want me to read?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I like that, that was good. That was good?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And what else can you say?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I could say he's a farber, he's a writer, he's
a funny boy, he's a legend, he's a hero, and
he is a good person to people.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I think he's an actor's better.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Stephen Cray. I could have said he's an Outlander.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Because said outland her.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
He could have said, man, I almost don't want to
bring it up this early on in the podcast, but
I noticed on my on my IMDb trivia. But somebody
has written, I don't know how this happens. I don't
know how people add these things or how they get there.
Somebody has because I must have spoken about it on
the podcast when I did it for the first time
(04:07):
five years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So you started it, I think so, yes for new listeners.
Stephen Craze a very good friend of mine, very old
friend of mine, and having very much That's why I'm
being cheeky. And we he did one of the first
episodes of films WED. I think you were in the
first ten, number six, number six to see James A.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Caster was the first, I think, yeah, And I was
number six and we spoke about it.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Means you only six favorite peasident Yeah pretty good?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Sorry, yeah out of eleven, yeah yeah yeah, number six
of six is all right. And we spoke about the
classic film Vivaldi the Red Priest. And somebody has written
on my trivia bit this has been described as the
worst film ever made by the leading actor in it.
(04:58):
Pretty damning words on on films to be buried with
with pretty Coldstein.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Absolutely desperate to say that film still Yeah, so there's
no one. Why doesn't it exist?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It does?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
It exists on YouTube somewhere. I think the trailer enough
is enough to get a taste of how although I
saw a period film recently that is meant to be
brilliant and has been very revered, and I didn't think
it was that great. It was a lot of people
sitting down saying things like we have news from the West,
the battleships are coming in and the English will be
(05:32):
in the messies.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And blah blah blah, and it's sort of lying on
the other guy.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
And I was like, that's kind of like Vivaldi actually
was a bit like that.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It was terrible.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
It was terrible, but there was a lot of people
coming in and going father for Baldi.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You know, music makes me fully erect.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
It was like that, actually, not quite that line, but
sort of like that, Yeah sounds good, and you say
what that period film was.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And better not?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay, not just in case? Yeah if I respect that. Yeah,
what have you been up to recently?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I was I was at a party last night Yeah,
I sang my signature CARRYO Kitchen.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Did you really? Yeah? Gold?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
That's right as Stephen Greenle was saying old at your wedding,
and I'm not saying that like that isn't.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Maybe I sang it at somebody's wedding yea with Gary
Kemp on guitar one time. Was that the best night
of your life? No? No, because obviously the best night
of my life was my own wedding. Did you sing it?
You used to sing that? I also sang it. Oh
my god, I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah, that was
the best night of my life. That was brilliant.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I like to think that was the best night of
everyone's life, whereas your stand up shows the second best
night of people's life. Yeah, my wedding where I sang
gold was the best night of everyone's life.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That was there, lovely. Yeah. But what I was bumming
up to.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
In a work sense, yeah, Well, I actually recently finished
a film a couple of months ago with something that
you might know, he's.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Your Yeah, I did a film with you.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Stephen cree is in the film You. Me and William
Bridges write a film. William Bridges directed it. I'm in
it with Image and Peace and Zoehston and you auditioned
for it, and I thought that was a terrible idea.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, tripy Tod and I said.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay, and your auditioned and William said, I think he's
the best one, and I said, Stevie. And then I
watched today and I was like, fuck, I think he is.
I think we're gonna have to do this. It's tricky
because we're such good friends. And I was worried we
were going to be silly boys and we were going
a couple of things were not that.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You were very well behaved. You're brilliant in it. I'll
say that sincerely because I've been naughty. You're really fantastic
in the film.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Thank you. It's a really really, really natural, brilliant performance.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I'm Mike Barry Jenkins, who noticed on your said he
doesn't like taking compliments.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I'll take them. I'll take them, or another couple of minutes.
You're really really good at it. That's all right. I
just did this thing there. Thank you. It was good
to listen. It was.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It was weird, wasn't it, Because it was interesting actually
coming in and doing a chemistry test with you, you know,
with also my wife.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Being the castinger and sounds very and if people are wondering.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
How I got the part, I married my wife and
I've played a long game waiting waiting for me in
a friends view for twelve years, and I've been with
calling for ten years.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So it's come to finally come to fruition.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It was weird, it wasn't it, But actually I was
so nervous, genuinely, I was so nervous before coming in
for the addition because one of them want to be
ship for you. And it was all because even though
we've been in stuff together, we've never acted together.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Oh yeah, we've never had I seen.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
And so you don't actually know, even though on theory
you should have chemistry because you've known the other person
for so long, you actually don't know if that's going
to come across. And actually we're still done on the
entil people see it to be fair, but it felt
actually like we.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Did on the day.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I was nervous auditioning with you, because it's when you
didn't want it to be shit. You didn't want it
to be shure, you didn't want me to be shit.
I didn't want me to be ship either and it was,
but also you know, it was exciting as well. And
I mean obviously the film was. I fucking loved it.
(09:27):
You know, I think we all loved it. We had
such a brilliant we had such a brilliant time. And
hopefully it's going to you know, hopefully people are going.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
To like it. But like, considering how we've the last
I mean, I've known you for what twelve, twelve or
thirteen years, that's been quite an amazing journey.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And to get to be on your.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
First well not your first actually because obviously super Bob,
but first thing after Ted that you've created that you're
in also I mean shrinking, I guess you would, you
would say, but to be a part of that was
really not fucking not to start, I've got I'm worried
that I'm going to start crying on this podcast several times.
(10:05):
I think since the last time I did this podcast,
I've become even more emotional.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Did you have your baby last time?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Maybe she's six, and she's six at the end of
this month, Yeah, then you should just happened.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah maybe, And I think that's definitely makes you cry
a lot. But actually, and also as well, my tendency,
as it's your tendency as well. It's always to undercut
everything with a joke and not be sincere.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I worry that if you ever sort of go missing,
that I've got so many peoples in my phone that
you've sent me of you looking quite creepy, staring at
the camera while your daughter is asleep in the background.
(10:52):
Like I always, it's like you're never smiling, You're shy.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
I think I think, I think it creepy up and
I'm like, hey, like my daughter's asleep.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
But it's you're right either way. You sent me that's
so often. But the face you pull in those pictures
where you're doing a sleep in the background is I've
just broken into this girl's room. I think that's my
resting face. Yeah, yeah, my resting faces, Yeah, my restling face.
(11:27):
So my resting face is either that I look really
angry and confused or that I've just broken in to
my daughter's better, which is quite a versatile face. I
think maybe it's because I'm trying to I'm trying to
show you look.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So this is you are.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, you are trying, but it doesn't work, doesn't Well,
I don't I'm just saying I don't think it conveys
what I think you're hoping it will, which is like,
isn't it lovely?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
My lips so lovely?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You just have a kid like I love it is
because what it looks like is these I don't know
the people in the picture, and you're like, who the.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Fuck is that? What is who is that way? What
is going on here?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Next time I do that, I'll smile. Yeah, try, I'll
try with the smile and see if that's any less creepy.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
But that was what was the tangent from that, Yeah,
it was what it was just like, actually, you know,
because this business is fucking hard. It's fucking hard, and
I haven't an outleak. I've had you know, many many,
many many many years of unemployment, many years of struggling.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's still because you know, it's still not easy to get.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
It's not like I get, you know, it offers flying
in It's still not necessarily easier straightforward now. But to
be in that and like when I met you twelve
years ago, sort of I guess similar ish positions in
our career, except you are incredibly hard working, and I
was like, why are you wasting your time doing all
this fucking stand up and rating. You should be doing
(12:53):
what I'm doing, which is fuck called and just waiting
for the phone to ring. And you know, fast forward
twelve years later, I think it's pretty obvious.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
That I was right.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Your pen with Mary.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Mary.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
My my plan to be fair was to stay friends
with you because I thought something that you did would
eventually click. Marry a casting director. Yeah, if I could,
and try and ride on your coattails.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I had stories of you off I'm going in for
auditions and just flirting with the cast directory. It was
quite legendary until you finally.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It took away, actually because my casting director wife was
far from interested on every single level from the Yeah. Yeah,
both as an actor or as a person. It's true,
It's completely true. And also I now can't have my
joke or my thing was always like hah, I'm the
only actor in Scotland that she's never cast, but she
has now, so I don't have that.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, I don't have that anymore. Stephen Cree, I have
brought you back to life.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Congratulations, But where in your life would you like to
come back to today or the past? Is there something
you would like to change? Tell us, I actually.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Didn't realize that it should have does the voice.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
It's impressive, even the resurrection, but the resurrection, I thought
that maybe that was like an effect or something that's
quite good. I would like I was thinking of miss
and I think I would like to come back to
inside my dad's balls and just did a whole thing
well you know, or maybe actually, well maybe two things
in inside my dad's testicles, or back to that moment
(14:30):
about twelve or thirteen years ago when you said I
think you should do stand up and I think you
should pursue your writing more and actually have listened to
it completely and natterally taking it on board instead of.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Thinking there's no point.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
And also, what actually if I was good at it
and I got caught up in comedy, that would like
that would.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Kind of yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Your reason was like, well, but what if I'm so
successful as a stand up that people don't want to
have any next anymore. Here's the thing that annoys me
so much better I want to kill you, is you
want to go back ten years to me saying that
to you.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I've said that to you every single year since.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It's true, But if I'd started it thirteen years ago,
I might actually have kind of got somewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Oh say you want to go back to your dad's boolls.
That means you want to be shut out of the dick.
You don't want to go back to like day of bet.
You want to be you want to you want the
whole adventure.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
We'll see what it was like in there. Yeah, you
know we're not conscious in there. That's fair. And see
how that? Why are you the Why are you the one?
Why are you the one out of all of them?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well because of your discipline and a drive and.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
My hard work.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So I think maybe that, but I don't actually, to
be honest, in a way, I don't know if I
want to.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think like, you know, not really because actually because
you could do.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That now you know, well, if I've done that, the
thing is as well maybe if I if I've done that,
I could still do it.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And I am toy. And to be fair, I do dabble.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
We haven't dabbled in stand up actually, but I've talked
about dabbling and stand up.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, I do dabbling writing, I just like unlike, I have.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Bursts of energy and created and then I give up,
whereas you just are like an absolute machine and can't
not produce or create.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
And I think that's I would say that as well.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Noticed you said it to Barra Jenkins, And actually I
did the talk about old drama school years ago, and
I would say the same thing. And it's not like
I actually do do it even though I tried to
it sometimes. Is that don't wait on the phone to
ring like just and especially these days because sweazy to
it to create stuff and get stuff, get content online
or put stuff out there.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And I think you're with it and do it without
you know, without the.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Needs for something to necessarily happen, you know, being creative,
just for creative set because I think that's where actually
I kind of envy but also admire the world of
comedy and stands up because I remember that, you know,
when I met you years ago. I think as an actor,
and certainly when I was at drama school, you had
an idea of you go to drama school, you get
an agent, you graduate from drama school, and that's it
(16:54):
you sort of do. You go for your auditions and
you wait for the phone to ring and away. Whereas
the industry has changed so much and there's so many
actor creators now as well, like yourself and keep waller
bridges and.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Let you know, so many people. But I think that
is the way, you know, I think that is definitely
the way for us.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And I would say that as well to two young
people if they're getting into if they're getting into the business.
But then that's like do as I say, not do
as I do, although for you it would be do
as I do. Yeah, because it's also you know, it's
also completed you as well.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
And major entirely entirely saying and content. Yeah, you have
come back to live.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well done.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
But the living wanted to talk to you mostly about films.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Strangely, the first thing they want to know is what
is the first What is the last film you remember saying?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
These voice is incredible? Thank you? Who is that? The
Death and the Death? The Voice of Death. The last
film that I saw was do you know? Actually I can't?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Can you say, like I just finished film about six
part documentary on Netflix about World War Two?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Doesn't count? Okay?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Well, the last film I saw then also it was
a documentary at the cinema called Beyond Utopia.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, it was utterly incredible. It's going to
make it.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
It's quite a hard one to joke about. We're going
to find it hard to find humor in that. But
it's it's a documentary about North Korea extensibly, and the
documentary made who manages to actually capture a family who
are fleeing from North Korea their journey from China down
(18:45):
to Laos and Vietnam and did they eventually have to
get Thailand's the safe place to get to And it's utterly, utterly,
utterly mind blowing.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Have you seen it?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
No, that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
The footage that she gets is incredible watching this like
it from this I think the child is three in
there in the in the gran is like and I'm
seventy or eighty years old, and they're traveling for miles
on foot through forests and it's so dangerous and it's
so harrowing. And also you're seeing these people who have
(19:16):
been in North Korea for decades completely and utterly totally
brainwashed on a level that in the world that we
live in now, it's almost impossible to comprehend that North
Korea marriage used to keep their borders and what goes on,
and they're so kind of sailed enclosed off from the world.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I mean it is really you know, nineteen eighty four,
tax Up but the grit, and it's really in this.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
You know, there's there's a couple of other stories through
it as well as a mother's a mother whose son
is trying to escape, and that doesn't go as well.
So it's really harrowing and really upsetting, but there is
also hope that because you know, because the family, they
do make it to Thailand.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
And into South Korea in the end.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
So even though it's it is a pretty tough watch,
it's one of the most exciting documentaries I think I've
ever seen.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Thank you very much, Okay, no problem, get anything that.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
No, I'd like to say it the cinema.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, I had to. I had to. I saw, I
saw a trailer when I was at the cinema. I loved.
I don't know, I loved.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I'll watch a documentary over a more or less. I
would watch a documentary over a narrative film. Now, I
think when you say you had to and then you
really wanted to.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, I saw that. I had been at the cinema
the week before. Remember what I've been seeing and maybe
Saltburn or something, which I loved.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Also brilliant brilliant, fantastic, And I saw a trailer for
Beyond Utopia and I just I think I'm nirtya. It's
just I think, you know, so fascinating the fact that
that place, you know, it exists, I.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Will say it is.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You're very You're very good at now what's kind of
in the world and research and stuff, and I understand
and stuff. You're one of the most people who you
know more than most people are about stuff. I know,
maybe that's what you do with your time, do you
know what?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And you know when people ash you do they ever
ashure at in interviews or whatever, or sometimes like you
know what your hobbies?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
What do you like to do? And I was like,
fucking know what my hobbies are.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I don't know if I have hobbies, but actually one
of them is documentaries in a way and informing myself
on I do.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
There's something.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I have a friend who actually kind of chooses, you know,
to try to not actively take too much of a
notice on what's going on around the world, because actually
he finds and understand it is such an overload of
information that you could live.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, we've got no control over, control over and we
can't do anything about that.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You could live in a perpetual state of misery and
fear of everything that's going on. But I also I
just think, you know, educating yourself and understanding what's.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Going on is important as well, and I like to
know that.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
And I think, I don't know humans are for everything
that we're so fucked up and all the terrible, trible, terrible,
terrible things that would do as well, we're also incredibly
adaptable and like the human spirit. It's amazing as well,
and that you see, you see all of that in
this documentary. How despicable and evil and capable of dehumanizing
people we are, but also people who will risk their
(22:16):
lives for somebody that they've.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Never met before. That's pretty incredible.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Who do you think should play you in the film
of your life?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Even great? I mean, I think it's a toss up
between Tom Cruise or Jean Claude Van Dan. Can you
see that?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
What age?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
What is this from?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Is this from childhood? From what the film is? Okay?
The film is? You tell me?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well, I guess with AI and stuff and you know,
special effects these days, they could like make a younger
version of Tom or or younger version of Sean Claude.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I think it's young Club.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, yeah, No, I'm gonna go for that as well.
And I think that's a lovely choice. Yeah one, I
think not. I think he's massively underrated. Great as an
actor anyway, it's fucking brilliant. I also just fucking love
Tom Cruise. I had an obsession and just love for
him from you know, as soon as I can remember
seeing them in movies, and everything about him sort of
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fascinates me. And I would love to maybe either work
with him or something. But if I can't work with them,
I'd like.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
To do in a film in my life.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Seem like the two options, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
They seem the kind of I imagine if anyone spent
anything I can't imagine anyone has ever spent any time
wondering who would play me in a film, But if
they did, I imagine John Claus and Damn and Tom
Cruise would be the immediate go Tos and John claudev
and Dan As I might come to one of the
other questions, actually was a bit of a childhood hero.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Okay, And I'd said, that's a great answer. What's the
nice romantic film you've ever seen. You're romantic, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Are you? Yes? Yeah, I'm actually are you?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I think you must be actually because you've you know,
all of you the you know in the short film
it's based on Soulmates, the TV series Super Bob. You
feel you know, you clearly actually have a very very
interested in human relationships and love.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And in that sense, I guess, see, you must be
a bit of a romantic. Tell me about your side.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Seeing them a paradise. So yeah, I think it, and
I don't. I feel I fear that Maybe that's an
obvious it's a lovely answer, but it's hard to see
past that. Everything about that film is romantic. And that's
also the first was a guy that I went to
lang Side College with when I was seventeen, before I
went to drama school, there was a guy in a
class called Zach Hanneff, and Zach showed me this film.
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And I think at that point, when I was about seventeen,
my film diet still mostly consisted of Sean Claude van
dam movies.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
If I had seen a foreign film, I can't.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Quite remember, and it blew my mind, you know, And
like the romance of the little boy, you know, being
going to the cinema and oh, I forgot his name.
He works in the cinema who you know? Who shows
him how it all works? And then you know he
falls in love with the girl and the passage. It's
just everything about it is Italy. It is partially one
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of the most romantic countries, most romantic languages, and there's
a real kind of sentimentality.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I love Do you like it? I love it.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I think that's a really great answer. It's a perfect answer.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
What's the best film you ever saw that you never
want to say again?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Super Bob? I think, I think super bub Yeah, you
like the super Bobos.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I mean, surely, surely people listen to us know that
super Bob is the film, first film that you made,
and feature film that you made and starred in.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's a great premise, I actually have to say, thinking
about it, like a superhero on his day off.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
He's a postman, he's the world. Anna Zy Berry lives
in Peckham and the film is set on a one
day off. You said it's a great premise, and we
thought it was a great premise, and every single review
and the reviews were very good, Thank you very much,
very grateful. Yeah, they al said it sounds like it's
gonna be shit, but it's actually good. I was like,
I remember us guy, like, doesn't sound like it's gonna
be shipped with boys. It's gonna be good. It's a
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good premise. The premise sounds awful, but actually it's good.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I think the premise sounds great as well, Actually I do.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
And it was like it was funny that in a way,
I think weird that it didn't actually do more or
land even more the kid because you got really well reviewed.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
It was any and like it was like one cinema,
two cinemas. Yeah, and it's a funny.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
And that's why anyway, you know, that's why I think
eventually obviously you're you know, I don't want to fucking
compliment you again, but hard work pays off because but
super Bob isn't the answer, right, So the cup like
boy I loved boy Yeah, Richard link Later film, Oh
Boyhood Boyhood sorrage Boyhood Boyhood. I thought it was brilliant,
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but I just don't really have a desire to watch
it again. But I think actually it would be.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Ento the void. I love that and too the Void
by gasper Noise.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
That was and it's a tricky one because it, Yeah,
I maybe would watch again. It was such an assault
on the senses and the first maybe I don't know,
thirty five forty minutes of the film, the camera's kind of.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Just up there, I think more than that.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, maybe it's more so you're.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Not you don't get to see people's faces for such
a huge part of the film, and that in itself
was challenging because you're not used to it. It's such
a fucking mental story as well. And again pretty harrowing
past that wasn't nam past la past la Ferta, who
was also in The Boardwalk Empire. It is absolutely brilliant
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in it.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
But I do remember coming I kind of I remember
watching it and coming out then and I was like, oh,
I feel as.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
If I've taken acid, yeah or something, I think, which
is maybe part of the point.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, I think you're mented, as I was thinking, where
it smokes meth is it?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, there's something yeah, Yeah, and you like experience it
for like fast minutes, like it goes.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Into the high technic cover like you're seeing yeah completely,
which I gain is interesting because I guess, like that's
what I love about a film like that under the
Skin as well, which is just utterly incredible when you
go and you see something that challenge is the way
you normally watch cinema as well, which is, you know,
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I guess it's like what you know?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Surely that's kind of partly what cinema's for.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
But I wouldn't rush to I remember coming out of
it and thinking that was amazing, but I maybe struggle.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
To to sit through it again, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
What's the best action film you've ever seen?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I think Terminator too. It's fucking great. It is fucking great,
And actually I was like, is it considered an action film?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I mean, it surely must be, right, okay, because Terminator
first one, isn't it an there's a lot of action
in it. I don't know if I would necessarily say
it's an action film, but that was right at the
cuss spot Germinator.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I think it's originally like considered like a sci fi horror, Yeah, yeah, horror.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah it's not. It's definitely not the Terminator two.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
But Terminator two when we must have been I think
twelve or something in that come out and that was
such a seminal movie at that time. Special effects when
Robert Patrick splits in half and goes into the sort
of silver liquid and then comes back in like as
a kid. That was, you know, we were so unused
to seeing something like that in the cinema, Like the
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idea of Arnie being back but being the good Terminator
this time. The sequences, I mean, it just had incredible sequences.
Linda Hamilton is totally iconic as the character Sarah Connor.
I obviously actually called her Sarah Connor when I terminated
Dark Fate. Absolutely, is that a neat segue there?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I left that out. Yeah, I was waiting for you to.
I just thought would nudge you. Yeah, only in it
for two scenes. How was that?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I forget you're in Terminator five.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I think it might be Terminator at seven, which when
they got to you know, it was amazing. Yeah, it
was because like that.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I remember actually when the when the audition came into,
my agent at the time wasn't sure if I wanted
to go for it because.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It was like, I don't know if it's that much
to do in it.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And I knew that Schwartzenegger and Linda Hamilton, we're both
back for it.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
So I was at I would do anything, and the
Terminator two is one of those.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
For me.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
It's like a back to the future type of thing.
It's such a film of your childhood. So I taped
for it and then I went for the recall and
they recall. Tim Miller was in the room, the director
of the first dead Pool and such a cool, brilliant,
brilliant guy, and he was like, Okay, so you know
this is the same blah blah, so it'll be you
and Linda, And I was at Linda Hamilton and he's like, yeah,
Linda's in this scene.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And I was like, fuck, you know, because I'm.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
A massive, massive Schartzenegger fan. But it was something even
more exciting about the prospect of doing a scene with
three scenes with them, with Sarah Connor and anyway, it
was fucking great.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I had so much fun doing it.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
But the most amazing part of it was, and I
don't know if you think this now, like with our
job and just life in general, we sort of I
do wait in our job in particular, will attain importance
to like I will think doing a big you know,
a big movie that I've done pantomimes and for those
listening to don't know what pantomime is Christmas show with
songs And is it fair to say there's a bit
of a snobbery in the business weirdly about them maybe,
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or if I am I casting aspersions on that, you're
probably right.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
But then I'll say everyone they've kind of got more
legit to like as a name McKellen dy b one
like that, there's like fancy ones.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Now you would definitely be late and within you would
definitely be like, you know, doing soft Burner or something
would definitely be considered classier than a panto.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, or something. It would get you a little more
cripp Yeah, you're going to.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Like you might win a golden globe or something for sptburn.
I actually got the worst review I think anyone's ever
got for a panto. But that's another story. But anyway
we do, we're sort of like right doing the big film.
You might have heard it on the last one, but
obviously tell it the review. So when I played Prince Charming,
Prince Charming and Cinderella at the Hackney Empire in two
thousand and seven, one of the reviews said, and I
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remember it for Batum Stephen Cree is radically miscast as
Prince Charming and looks and sounds like he would be
more at home on the Clyde Side shipyards.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
That is fucking right.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
It's actually, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
It's actually xenophobic as wellment maybe seenophobic.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, cenophobic is definitely there is definitely the word the yeah,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
So also to be like, I love the fact that
it was something in the Financial Times as well. I
love the fact that it was not only was it
a bit ship where he's a bit on, you know,
he's not up to the caliber of the rest of
the cast or whatever, but to be radically miscast as
Prince Charming suggests that I was devoid of any sort
of charm whatsoever, and then throw into book that I'd
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be more at home making boats in Glasgow. My mom
thought I was shitting that as well, because you know, yeah,
my mom came to see it and she was like,
you didn't really look like you were having fun out there,
Like I just read review.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah I did. The reviews crisified me and that was
the last Panto ever does.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
The point of that actually was, though, yeah, I've gone
off on a fucking massive tangent we attain I do anyway,
I'll be like, oh, I'd rather be sotburn than being that.
But actually, you know, as you get older, I think
everything's just the experiences, isn't it? And what the fuck
was the question? And I've gone off with such a
tangent On my final two cool things. I remember my
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final day.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Arnie was in the next day. I missed them by
one day, and I just read his autobiography.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
So the guy that was doing my hair, Michael White,
I said, listen, if I write a letter, will you
show it to Arnie tomorrow? So I wrote him a
letter and he showed it to Arnie the next day,
and Arnie read it, apparently, and got to the end
of the letter and just sort of nodded and smiled,
and that was enough for me.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
But on my final night there, Linda Hamilton and I
went out for dinner and she was just just the
two of us, and she was vitally.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Linda was so cool. The impression got what. She really
kept herself to herself as well and didn't socialize much.
She was quite I think she's quite.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
A solitary person anyway, And we just had such an
amazing night, and she was just phenomenal. And again she's
like an icon really, and it was great getting that experience.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Of all the films.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
If you had to, which film do you think you
could have made and why?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I don't actually know that I necessarily could make any film,
but I really loved.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
After some Oh my god, I love Difference, right, I
loved it.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
And I think not for a second of my presuming
that I could, you know, do what Charlotte Wells did
with it, but the themes in it, themes, who's that?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
The themes that was like Charlotte Wells, he fucking definitely
can he can't make after what's that stuff you put
on when you're suborn? After? Oh? After? So that's it.
I don't know what I found that's so funny, but
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it was.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Funny after some said he doesn't even understand the title.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Well, maybe I could make some time motion. Yeah, the
prequel Paul characters really happy and a fucking great.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, because I love I love father Daughter stories full start,
and I think the one time, you know, when I
made a short film, I wrote film thank you, thank
you very much. It's about, you know, the sort of
similar esh themes I suppose mental health issues. You know,
it's a man and not a dossip man and a
younger girl, and there's you know, it's like a real
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there's a melancholy and I think it's the film if
I was, you know, and I do want to try
and make a film. Though I love father daughter stories
in particular, they really obviously they really resonate.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Do you keep breaking into that little gathering Because.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
You keep breaking into this little girl's room who I've
got no idea who she is, and taking weird fucking
photos beside her without even smiling.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I think it's because I'm trying to make my jawline
look good.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
There's a bit of and it's like I want Brett
to like this is so cute, like having a kid
is amazing, But also make sure that you're jawling.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
You want see what made it? Think?
Speaker 5 (36:41):
Uh, he's such a good dad and he's fit. He's
fit right, yeah, yeah, what a fit dad? What a
really good fit dad. So and also as well, because
you know there's the the that it's just themes. I
guess that I've always resonated.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
The only thing about after something correct me if I'm wrong,
and this is I don't necessarily know if I feel
hugely at the end, like a sense of hope. I
guess I know that we see that it's the images
that she's been seeing of her dad, and it looks
like she's happy in a relationship, and maybe there is
some sort of closure.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Or some of them forget and I don't. Listen.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I absolutely love the film. I loved it, and I
think Charlotte Wills is incredibly talented. I'm not criticizing it
at all, but the one that I just love. If
anything I've pretended to write, I like a bit of hope,
you know, I think that's.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
The answer to that.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I'm sure there is an argument that there is, but yes,
it is very.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Sad, and listen, that's life. That is life.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
So yeah, what is the film you have pretended to
like to impress people?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Do you know? I?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Actually I don't necessarily not if there's one specific film,
but it will be something like I can't remember how
to pronunce his name. That's he's somebody you know, are
like a random Russian film director or something, or oh,
who's that legendary Italian director somebody? I almost say it's
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definitely not fully I will probably you know sometimes where
somebody will go, oh, you know the you know, the
Corsalla version of such and such you just got oh yeaheah, yeah,
yeah yeah, and then you let ud please don't now
ask me a question about it.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
And every now and again you will get caught out.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
And either you go along with it and be like
as I once did with Mary and Keys it turns out,
and pretend that you've read their books, or or you
will have to be like, you know what, I'm gonna
have to be honest here. I've never seen it like
I thought I thought I had. I don't know if
I've ever turned around and gone, list, I'm going to
be honest, I've never seen that. And I just agreed
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with you because I thought it would be easier and
I thought I would seem smarter. But I can't think
of a specific film.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, I guess once you've you've you've the lie. You've
probably got to double down on it, right, Yeah, it
have you got one? But that's like you haven't even
seen that film. You've just pretended to like it. What
I'm saying the question is like, what's the film that
you've seen that you didn't like?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
A question, you're pretending you sure at the time I
read that, My god, I totally misunderstood that.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Then I feelm that I've seen that I pretended to like.
I don't know. Actually I will.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Sometimes be guilty of actually if I've seen something, but
then I'm speaking about it to somebody whose opinion I
really respect and they say they don't like it.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. Actually you know
what I mean. Probably I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
I thought it was fucking amazing, and now I'm suddenly
being like, oh yeah, But I think that's because I also,
as you know, struggle to trust the courage of my
own convictions or can't make a choice.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
But I know I can't. I can't. I've really fucked
that question. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
What is the film that you've never seen that you
think it's mad that you've never seen it? Citizen Kane,
That is, isn't it? What is the film you love
that you don't expect anyone else to lie.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Absent without leave?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Sean Cloud van Dam also in America known as Legionaire
or Jesus Christ Superstar. Now, I actually do feel like
everyone should love Jesus Superstar. To be honest, I just
know that it's a musical and it's not going to
always appeal to everyone, but probably absent without leave.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I mean, it's such a fuck.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
It's all about a great premise for a film like
Sean Cloud Vandam is in the fun I once acted
this entire film out at an Outlander convention, which is
how well I know it. Sean Cloud Vandam is in
the is in the Foreign Legion, and he gets news
that his brother has been killed by a gang back
in New York, so he runs away from the Foreign
Legion and two people from the Foreign Legion are sent
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to get him, and he makes like an an unbelievably
arduous journey from I don't know where he is somewhere
in Africa, and you see them like swimming and water
running across desert Stowy on a ship, arrives in New
York and ends up fighting in underground fights so they
can underground car parks of llegal fighting to raise money
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for his brother's widow and daughter, who are brilliant in
the movie. And the little girl is so cute, and
Sean Claude's fucking brilliant.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
He's so good in it.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
And it's a bit at the end where he's fighting
a tiller guys over from Russia, and it's a sort
of set up the show Jean Claude a video of
a tiller fighting and he looks shit in the video,
but actually he's incredible. So they get into the sort
of the underground the legal ring at the end, and
Sean Claude's coach guy who's fucking just suddenly.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Forgot his name.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
He's a brilliant actor. Sean Claude, you're on the fight
is getting really the ship kick. This is quite long, sorry,
but he's getting the shit kicked out of him. And
he's down on the ground and he's bleeding and stuff,
and he's coach, oh, for go if.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
You can remember his name.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
He's down the ground and his coach is like, in
Sean Claude's name and it oh, it's lying Heart. That's
what it's called. It's not called leading, it's called lyon
heart in America. And he's down in the ground.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
He's like, stay down, Linel, stay around, Lionel. The whole
beds on you, the whole.
Speaker 6 (42:06):
Beds on you.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
And shot clonified.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Dam looks up and the camera comes on really tiny
skip blood and he goes wrong, and that exact accent,
the exact weird accent I just did. And he stands
back up and the music kicks in and he walks
over towards a tiller and the tiller points at him.
He's like you and Sean Claude van dam just fucking
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round how his fly kicks his hand out the way
and then proceeds to kick the otter shit out of him.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
But then when he could kill him at the.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
End, he spares him, of course, and and they all
sort of live happily ever after.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
What I like about you telling you that story is
you got the name of wrong wrong, which is fine,
but then you could him lying out.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
I noticed that as well. I thought, I won't bother
you to myself on that, and you will. You will
like this as well, because we haven't mentioned him weirdly
so far. My brother Derek, Yeah, you know something, Derek.
When we were younger, we used to watch that film.
Derek two years older than me. I mean, he used
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to be punching shit out of me. I would be
down in the ground.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
And he would just go wrong bet and then just
like punch it into my face. Good, very violent.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
So sorry, we're very close now, though, what film would
you show a lover as a test to see if
you should be together?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Absolutely? What you do it? That's a great no, that
would do? I was the serious answer.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Maybe would be Aladdin or Cinema Paradiso the Original Disney
The Original Disney Aladdin fro nineteen ninety two, voiced by
Brad Kane and later so longer.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, I fucking love that. It's a great You're really good. Yeah,
if you could show a child one film, what would
it be?
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Do you go right?
Speaker 3 (43:56):
I was actually thinking right, and I know I changed
my I was thinking Team Wolf because I actually watched
Team Wolf earlier on this year with my daughter and
she fucking loved it. But actually, and what watching it
again as an adult, I haven't seen her for years.
I didn't realize what Team Wolf was actually about. And
at the end of the movie, it's so, you know,
Michael J. Fawks becomes the Wolf, and when it becomes
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the wolf, all the girl's fancy. When he gets the
lead in the school show and he's brilling a basketball
and everyone loves him, but Booth, who really really loves
someone likes him.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Booth wants him just to be him, and he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
He kind of learns at the end of the movie
that he's okay as he is and he doesn't need
to be anything else.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
He doesn't need to be someone spit like, you know,
he's lovable as he is.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
And I was like, oh wow, I didn't actually as
a kid, I just thought, oh, this is a bit
of guy who turns into werewolf and surfs son a van,
you know, to surfing USA. And it's also got a
brilliant song at the end called Shooting for the Moon,
I think, but it's I don't think it's a great
message for girls, so because I still like but there's
a bit in it where he's in the cupboard with
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Booth at a party that they go into the cover
and of kissing and he sort of turned into the
wolf clearly in the cupboards. She comes out and her
back's all ripped and she's got sort of ripped clothes,
and it's just like, I'm I don't know, I'm just
not sure that it's it's it's nineteen eighty five and four.
The messages are different, so I actually think it would
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probably be Hills moving Castle, which.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Is you know, I don't know, No I just don't.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
I thought it's gonna be Team More Oh shit rises,
and then you said it's not gonna be ta fuck
not Team Will.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Thin.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
I'm just worried that I'm sending out no it has
moving Castle.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Okay, right, maybe Team Will versus Hills Moving Castle, which
hasn't been major. Hills Moving Castle is fucking incredible and
completely mind bending.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, I mean said to you, yeah, yeah, yeah. We
bought during lockdown.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
So my daughter was two when Lockdown happened, and there
was a lot of Pepper Pig being watched, and I thought,
I can't, you know much as I love Pepper Pig,
I thought I need to up the game here a
little bit. And I thought, I'm going to try some
Studio Ghibli films. And we watched Hills Moving Castle, and
I mean, I don't understand Hills Moving Castle. And I've
seen it about one hundred and fifty million times now,
we've watched it so many times, and she loved it
(46:13):
absolutely and utterly, utterly, utterly loves it and it's so
mind bending, and it's listen, I love Disney films, but
they're so different, and I don't I've got no idea
what the message is so Hills Moving Castle based entirely
on the fact that it's insane.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Okay, it's a good film for a kid to see.
What is the film that made you the most uncomfortable?
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I think that's actually quite a hard one.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
And I don't really know, but I was thinking, maybe
you know, we've seen you know, with Ben Mendelssohn and
Rooney Mara.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Oh yeah, no, I haven't seen the film. I so
the film is.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Running the character in Ben Mendelston's character has had its
abused Runey Mara's character when she was about I have
seen it, yeah, a sort of replying yeah, yeah, yeah,
when she was about thirteen. Yes, and she thinks it's
a relationship, and she sort of thinks she was in
love with him, and then he I think he gets
(47:10):
I think his gets put in jel for four years,
comes out, changed his identity, move somewhere else in the
film they meet because she's always been I think she's
clearly she's always been sort of confused by what it was,
and it's really sort of throughout the film, so is
the idea of that he also was.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
He argues that it wasn't abuse. He he loved her
that he's not an abuser.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
He is, and it's just a very uncomfortable and unsettling
watch and weirdly not weirdly about Callying.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
My wife cast it.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
And so in the casting process Ben Mendelson couldn't be there,
and when they were auditioning for the young version of Una,
they asked if I would go in and read in
opposite the girls, and the scenes that we had that
I had to read where unbelievably uncomfortable because he's flirting
with her basically, and the actresses that were coming in
(48:01):
were for you know, like twelve, thirteen, fourteen, and the
girl actually who got it. It's interesting as well being
on that side of the camera, which you will have
noticed a lot now as well. The girl that came
in Robby Stalks that got it. She came in and
she was I mean instantly sort of special, yeah, and
just said she's sat in the US notes or the
other actors that they were fantastic as well, but she
(48:23):
just really was. You know, it was a fucking it
was a difficult, difficult, difficult role and a difficult ask.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
But yeah, so good answer, Stephen, Great, Yeah, Stephen Cree,
you have been amazing, So I have made this decision.
I'm gonna let you live, but because you may die
again one day, no promises. What film would you like
(48:52):
to leave in your will for your loved ones? One film?
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Thank you, p no maniacts.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Good day to you, Steven Gray. Thank you for doing this.
You've been wonderful.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Is there anything you would like to tell people to
look out for us to listen to?
Speaker 2 (49:16):
What to say?
Speaker 3 (49:17):
There's a film called Queen at Sea. Queen at Sea
with Juliette Binosh and Tom Courtney, very exciting. It's very exciting.
Is I think also a really beautiful script while coming
out next year bag Man, Yeah, with Sam Claflin and
Frankie Corio, who was the little girl in Man.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
And what did I say? You said she has a
little girl in bag Man, But she's also the little
girl in After. So that's a horror film.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
So that'll be interesting see how it goes the final
season about Lander, which I mean in the in the
film with address that's it?
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, what's out for that? That's good? That film?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I think I think that one will be good. I
read the scripts and I thought it was great. Which
one the film?
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, yeah, I think so as well. It was we
still haven't finished it.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
We actually when we were going when we went to
see Billy Joe in concert that week was the week
that the strikes started, and I was just about to
film my final day or two. Oh you still haven't
done it and I haven't done it, and it was
like the big It was a you know, it's a
big scene, and we stopped the day before. So I
(50:26):
actually don't know when I haven't heard when we're going
to finish it. I assume that they will because they
spent a hell of a lot of money on it.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
So well, well, what's a pleasure you are. Thank you,
Thank you for being here, Thanks in person, Thank you
for being such a great guy. Thanks is a really
really good actor. Thank you, and a wonderful husband and
a wonderful man who breaks into someone's measure night takes
(50:52):
of the child. Good day to you, Thanks Brett, good luck,
Thank you to you. So that was episode three hundred
and sixty five. Head over to the patroon at patreon
dot com forwards the last Brett Goldstein For the extra
twenty minutes of chat, sequens and video with Stephen Cree, Go.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
To Apple podcasts. Give us a fight.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Start rating right about the film that means the most
to you and why it's a love the thing to
read it helps with numbers of my name but more
and really loves it. Remember to watch the trailer for
all of You, which comes out September twenty sixth. The
trailer is out today. Thank you so much to Stephen
forgiving me his time and coming over a year ago.
Thanks for being patient with this one. Thanks to Scruby's
PIP and the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace
for producing it. Thanks to Ieheart Media and wilfare A's
(51:34):
Big Money Players Network posting it. Thanks to added Wridgison
with the graphics and needs to land them for photography.
Come and join me next week for another cracking guest.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
That's it for now.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
I hope you're all well in the meantime, have a
lovely week, and please be excellent to each others.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
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Look how it's only films to be buried with the resurrection. Hello,
and welcome to films to be buried with the Resurrection.
(00:21):
My name is Brett Golderstein. I'm a comedian and actor,
a writer, director of Lazy Susan, and I love films.
As Harold Pinter once said, there are no hard distinctions
between what is real and what is unreal, which is
why Lea the Weapon Form might genuinely be the best
leader weapon film. Every week i'mte special guest diver. I
tell them they've died, and I get them to discuss
their life through the films that men the most of them.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But not this week.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
This week I use my secret shamanic ritualistic powers to
bring back the brilliant actor Stephen Cree. My new film
All of You, which I made with Wilbridges and Imagen Poots,
is out on September twenty sixth in cinemas and on
Apple TV. The trailer for that film is out today.
Make sure you watch it. I really hope you're gonna
(01:03):
love it. Thank you very much for having a look
at it. Very proud of this film, love it so much.
Hope you feel the same way. Please head over to
the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein,
where you get an extra twenty minutes with Stephen. We
talk beginnings and endings. He tells me his secret, so
you get the whole episode uncut, adfree and does a video.
Check it out over at patreon dot com forward Slashbrett
Goldste So Stephen Cree. Stephen Cree is an actor and
(01:26):
a very good friend of mine. You might know him
from his roles in Outlander or The Diplomat. I've known
Stephen for many, many years. He's a very funny man
and he's one of my best friends. We resurrected and
recorded this episode about a year ago, if not more,
And the reason I've had it on hold is because
I wanted to wait until the film was about to
come out. The film is All of You, the trailer
(01:46):
of which is out today. Stephen Cree is also in
that film. He's very very good in it. We recorded
this sometime after shooting it. The only thing you need
to know is that when we recorded this, the film
had a different name. So anytime in this recording that
we say all of You, it might sound like it's
dubbed because it is all right, You're not going mad anyway.
He's such a lovely man. He's a very very funny boy.
(02:08):
I really think you're gonna enjoy this one. That's it
for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode three
hundred and sixty five of Films to be Buried with
the Resurrection. Hello, and welcome to Films to.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Be Buried with the Resurrection.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined again
today back from the dead by an actor.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Please, welcome to the show. It's the brilliant it's Stephen Gray.
Thanks for that. Thanks for that entirely and underwhelming introduction.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I was listening to the Barry Jenkins episodes on the
way down here, actually, and I was. I loved how
efficive you were about it. I wonder, I wonder what
sort of intro I'm going to get?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Do you want me to read?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I like that, that was good. That was good?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And what else can you say?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I could say he's a farber, he's a writer, he's
a funny boy, he's a legend, he's a hero, and
he is a good person to people.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I think he's an actor's better.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Stephen Cray. I could have said he's an Outlander.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Because said outland her.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
He could have said, man, I almost don't want to
bring it up this early on in the podcast, but
I noticed on my on my IMDb trivia. But somebody
has written, I don't know how this happens. I don't
know how people add these things or how they get there.
Somebody has because I must have spoken about it on
the podcast when I did it for the first time
(04:07):
five years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So you started it, I think so, yes for new listeners.
Stephen Craze a very good friend of mine, very old
friend of mine, and having very much That's why I'm
being cheeky. And we he did one of the first
episodes of films WED. I think you were in the
first ten, number six, number six to see James A.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Caster was the first, I think, yeah, And I was
number six and we spoke about it.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Means you only six favorite peasident Yeah pretty good?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Sorry, yeah out of eleven, yeah yeah yeah, number six
of six is all right. And we spoke about the
classic film Vivaldi the Red Priest. And somebody has written
on my trivia bit this has been described as the
worst film ever made by the leading actor in it.
(04:58):
Pretty damning words on on films to be buried with
with pretty Coldstein.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Absolutely desperate to say that film still Yeah, so there's
no one. Why doesn't it exist?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It does?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
It exists on YouTube somewhere. I think the trailer enough
is enough to get a taste of how although I
saw a period film recently that is meant to be
brilliant and has been very revered, and I didn't think
it was that great. It was a lot of people
sitting down saying things like we have news from the West,
the battleships are coming in and the English will be
(05:32):
in the messies.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And blah blah blah, and it's sort of lying on
the other guy.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
And I was like, that's kind of like Vivaldi actually
was a bit like that.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It was terrible.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
It was terrible, but there was a lot of people
coming in and going father for Baldi.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You know, music makes me fully erect.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
It was like that, actually, not quite that line, but
sort of like that, Yeah sounds good, and you say
what that period film was.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And better not?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay, not just in case? Yeah if I respect that. Yeah,
what have you been up to recently?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I was I was at a party last night Yeah,
I sang my signature CARRYO Kitchen.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Did you really? Yeah? Gold?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
That's right as Stephen Greenle was saying old at your wedding,
and I'm not saying that like that isn't.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Maybe I sang it at somebody's wedding yea with Gary
Kemp on guitar one time. Was that the best night
of your life? No? No, because obviously the best night
of my life was my own wedding. Did you sing it?
You used to sing that? I also sang it. Oh
my god, I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah, that was
the best night of my life. That was brilliant.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I like to think that was the best night of
everyone's life, whereas your stand up shows the second best
night of people's life. Yeah, my wedding where I sang
gold was the best night of everyone's life.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That was there, lovely. Yeah. But what I was bumming
up to.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
In a work sense, yeah, Well, I actually recently finished
a film a couple of months ago with something that
you might know, he's.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Your Yeah, I did a film with you.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Stephen cree is in the film You. Me and William
Bridges write a film. William Bridges directed it. I'm in
it with Image and Peace and Zoehston and you auditioned
for it, and I thought that was a terrible idea.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, tripy Tod and I said.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay, and your auditioned and William said, I think he's
the best one, and I said, Stevie. And then I
watched today and I was like, fuck, I think he is.
I think we're gonna have to do this. It's tricky
because we're such good friends. And I was worried we
were going to be silly boys and we were going
a couple of things were not that.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You were very well behaved. You're brilliant in it. I'll
say that sincerely because I've been naughty. You're really fantastic
in the film.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Thank you. It's a really really, really natural, brilliant performance.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I'm Mike Barry Jenkins, who noticed on your said he
doesn't like taking compliments.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I'll take them. I'll take them, or another couple of minutes.
You're really really good at it. That's all right. I
just did this thing there. Thank you. It was good
to listen. It was.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It was weird, wasn't it, Because it was interesting actually
coming in and doing a chemistry test with you, you know,
with also my wife.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Being the castinger and sounds very and if people are wondering.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
How I got the part, I married my wife and
I've played a long game waiting waiting for me in
a friends view for twelve years, and I've been with
calling for ten years.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So it's come to finally come to fruition.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It was weird, it wasn't it, But actually I was
so nervous, genuinely, I was so nervous before coming in
for the addition because one of them want to be
ship for you. And it was all because even though
we've been in stuff together, we've never acted together.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Oh yeah, we've never had I seen.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
And so you don't actually know, even though on theory
you should have chemistry because you've known the other person
for so long, you actually don't know if that's going
to come across. And actually we're still done on the
entil people see it to be fair, but it felt
actually like we.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Did on the day.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I was nervous auditioning with you, because it's when you
didn't want it to be shit. You didn't want it
to be shure, you didn't want me to be shit.
I didn't want me to be ship either and it was,
but also you know, it was exciting as well. And
I mean obviously the film was. I fucking loved it.
(09:27):
You know, I think we all loved it. We had
such a brilliant we had such a brilliant time. And
hopefully it's going to you know, hopefully people are going.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
To like it. But like, considering how we've the last
I mean, I've known you for what twelve, twelve or
thirteen years, that's been quite an amazing journey.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And to get to be on your.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
First well not your first actually because obviously super Bob,
but first thing after Ted that you've created that you're
in also I mean shrinking, I guess you would, you
would say, but to be a part of that was
really not fucking not to start, I've got I'm worried
that I'm going to start crying on this podcast several times.
(10:05):
I think since the last time I did this podcast,
I've become even more emotional.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Did you have your baby last time?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Maybe she's six, and she's six at the end of
this month, Yeah, then you should just happened.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah maybe, And I think that's definitely makes you cry
a lot. But actually, and also as well, my tendency,
as it's your tendency as well. It's always to undercut
everything with a joke and not be sincere.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I worry that if you ever sort of go missing,
that I've got so many peoples in my phone that
you've sent me of you looking quite creepy, staring at
the camera while your daughter is asleep in the background.
(10:52):
Like I always, it's like you're never smiling, You're shy.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
I think I think, I think it creepy up and
I'm like, hey, like my daughter's asleep.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
But it's you're right either way. You sent me that's
so often. But the face you pull in those pictures
where you're doing a sleep in the background is I've
just broken into this girl's room. I think that's my
resting face. Yeah, yeah, my resting faces, Yeah, my restling face.
(11:27):
So my resting face is either that I look really
angry and confused or that I've just broken in to
my daughter's better, which is quite a versatile face. I
think maybe it's because I'm trying to I'm trying to
show you look.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So this is you are.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, you are trying, but it doesn't work, doesn't Well,
I don't I'm just saying I don't think it conveys
what I think you're hoping it will, which is like,
isn't it lovely?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
My lips so lovely?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You just have a kid like I love it is
because what it looks like is these I don't know
the people in the picture, and you're like, who the.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Fuck is that? What is who is that way? What
is going on here?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Next time I do that, I'll smile. Yeah, try, I'll
try with the smile and see if that's any less creepy.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
But that was what was the tangent from that, Yeah,
it was what it was just like, actually, you know,
because this business is fucking hard. It's fucking hard, and
I haven't an outleak. I've had you know, many many,
many many many years of unemployment, many years of struggling.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's still because you know, it's still not easy to get.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
It's not like I get, you know, it offers flying
in It's still not necessarily easier straightforward now. But to
be in that and like when I met you twelve
years ago, sort of I guess similar ish positions in
our career, except you are incredibly hard working, and I
was like, why are you wasting your time doing all
this fucking stand up and rating. You should be doing
(12:53):
what I'm doing, which is fuck called and just waiting
for the phone to ring. And you know, fast forward
twelve years later, I think it's pretty obvious.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
That I was right.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Your pen with Mary.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Mary.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
My my plan to be fair was to stay friends
with you because I thought something that you did would
eventually click. Marry a casting director. Yeah, if I could,
and try and ride on your coattails.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I had stories of you off I'm going in for
auditions and just flirting with the cast directory. It was
quite legendary until you finally.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It took away, actually because my casting director wife was
far from interested on every single level from the Yeah. Yeah,
both as an actor or as a person. It's true,
It's completely true. And also I now can't have my
joke or my thing was always like hah, I'm the
only actor in Scotland that she's never cast, but she
has now, so I don't have that.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, I don't have that anymore. Stephen Cree, I have
brought you back to life.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Congratulations, But where in your life would you like to
come back to today or the past? Is there something
you would like to change? Tell us, I actually.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Didn't realize that it should have does the voice.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
It's impressive, even the resurrection, but the resurrection, I thought
that maybe that was like an effect or something that's
quite good. I would like I was thinking of miss
and I think I would like to come back to
inside my dad's balls and just did a whole thing
well you know, or maybe actually, well maybe two things
in inside my dad's testicles, or back to that moment
(14:30):
about twelve or thirteen years ago when you said I
think you should do stand up and I think you
should pursue your writing more and actually have listened to
it completely and natterally taking it on board instead of.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Thinking there's no point.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
And also, what actually if I was good at it
and I got caught up in comedy, that would like
that would.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Kind of yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Your reason was like, well, but what if I'm so
successful as a stand up that people don't want to
have any next anymore. Here's the thing that annoys me
so much better I want to kill you, is you
want to go back ten years to me saying that
to you.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I've said that to you every single year since.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It's true, But if I'd started it thirteen years ago,
I might actually have kind of got somewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Oh say you want to go back to your dad's boolls.
That means you want to be shut out of the dick.
You don't want to go back to like day of bet.
You want to be you want to you want the
whole adventure.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
We'll see what it was like in there. Yeah, you
know we're not conscious in there. That's fair. And see
how that? Why are you the Why are you the one?
Why are you the one out of all of them?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well because of your discipline and a drive and.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
My hard work.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So I think maybe that, but I don't actually, to
be honest, in a way, I don't know if I
want to.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think like, you know, not really because actually because
you could do.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That now you know, well, if I've done that, the
thing is as well maybe if I if I've done that,
I could still do it.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And I am toy. And to be fair, I do dabble.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
We haven't dabbled in stand up actually, but I've talked
about dabbling and stand up.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, I do dabbling writing, I just like unlike, I have.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Bursts of energy and created and then I give up,
whereas you just are like an absolute machine and can't
not produce or create.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
And I think that's I would say that as well.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Noticed you said it to Barra Jenkins, And actually I
did the talk about old drama school years ago, and
I would say the same thing. And it's not like
I actually do do it even though I tried to
it sometimes. Is that don't wait on the phone to
ring like just and especially these days because sweazy to
it to create stuff and get stuff, get content online
or put stuff out there.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And I think you're with it and do it without
you know, without the.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Needs for something to necessarily happen, you know, being creative,
just for creative set because I think that's where actually
I kind of envy but also admire the world of
comedy and stands up because I remember that, you know,
when I met you years ago. I think as an actor,
and certainly when I was at drama school, you had
an idea of you go to drama school, you get
an agent, you graduate from drama school, and that's it
(16:54):
you sort of do. You go for your auditions and
you wait for the phone to ring and away. Whereas
the industry has changed so much and there's so many
actor creators now as well, like yourself and keep waller
bridges and.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Let you know, so many people. But I think that
is the way, you know, I think that is definitely
the way for us.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And I would say that as well to two young
people if they're getting into if they're getting into the business.
But then that's like do as I say, not do
as I do, although for you it would be do
as I do. Yeah, because it's also you know, it's
also completed you as well.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
And major entirely entirely saying and content. Yeah, you have
come back to live.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well done.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
But the living wanted to talk to you mostly about films.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Strangely, the first thing they want to know is what
is the first What is the last film you remember saying?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
These voice is incredible? Thank you? Who is that? The
Death and the Death? The Voice of Death. The last
film that I saw was do you know? Actually I can't?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Can you say, like I just finished film about six
part documentary on Netflix about World War Two?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Doesn't count? Okay?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Well, the last film I saw then also it was
a documentary at the cinema called Beyond Utopia.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, it was utterly incredible. It's going to
make it.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
It's quite a hard one to joke about. We're going
to find it hard to find humor in that. But
it's it's a documentary about North Korea extensibly, and the
documentary made who manages to actually capture a family who
are fleeing from North Korea their journey from China down
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to Laos and Vietnam and did they eventually have to
get Thailand's the safe place to get to And it's utterly, utterly,
utterly mind blowing.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Have you seen it?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
No, that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
The footage that she gets is incredible watching this like
it from this I think the child is three in
there in the in the gran is like and I'm
seventy or eighty years old, and they're traveling for miles
on foot through forests and it's so dangerous and it's
so harrowing. And also you're seeing these people who have
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been in North Korea for decades completely and utterly totally
brainwashed on a level that in the world that we
live in now, it's almost impossible to comprehend that North
Korea marriage used to keep their borders and what goes on,
and they're so kind of sailed enclosed off from the world.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I mean it is really you know, nineteen eighty four,
tax Up but the grit, and it's really in this.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
You know, there's there's a couple of other stories through
it as well as a mother's a mother whose son
is trying to escape, and that doesn't go as well.
So it's really harrowing and really upsetting, but there is
also hope that because you know, because the family, they
do make it to Thailand.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
And into South Korea in the end.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
So even though it's it is a pretty tough watch,
it's one of the most exciting documentaries I think I've
ever seen.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Thank you very much, Okay, no problem, get anything that.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
No, I'd like to say it the cinema.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, I had to. I had to. I saw, I
saw a trailer when I was at the cinema. I loved.
I don't know, I loved.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I'll watch a documentary over a more or less. I
would watch a documentary over a narrative film. Now, I
think when you say you had to and then you
really wanted to.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, I saw that. I had been at the cinema
the week before. Remember what I've been seeing and maybe
Saltburn or something, which I loved.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Also brilliant brilliant, fantastic, And I saw a trailer for
Beyond Utopia and I just I think I'm nirtya. It's
just I think, you know, so fascinating the fact that
that place, you know, it exists, I.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Will say it is.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You're very You're very good at now what's kind of
in the world and research and stuff, and I understand
and stuff. You're one of the most people who you
know more than most people are about stuff. I know,
maybe that's what you do with your time, do you
know what?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And you know when people ash you do they ever
ashure at in interviews or whatever, or sometimes like you
know what your hobbies?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
What do you like to do? And I was like,
fucking know what my hobbies are.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I don't know if I have hobbies, but actually one
of them is documentaries in a way and informing myself
on I do.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
There's something.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I have a friend who actually kind of chooses, you know,
to try to not actively take too much of a
notice on what's going on around the world, because actually
he finds and understand it is such an overload of
information that you could live.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, we've got no control over, control over and we
can't do anything about that.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You could live in a perpetual state of misery and
fear of everything that's going on. But I also I
just think, you know, educating yourself and understanding what's.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Going on is important as well, and I like to
know that.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
And I think, I don't know humans are for everything
that we're so fucked up and all the terrible, trible, terrible,
terrible things that would do as well, we're also incredibly
adaptable and like the human spirit. It's amazing as well,
and that you see, you see all of that in
this documentary. How despicable and evil and capable of dehumanizing
people we are, but also people who will risk their
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lives for somebody that they've.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Never met before. That's pretty incredible.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Who do you think should play you in the film
of your life?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Even great? I mean, I think it's a toss up
between Tom Cruise or Jean Claude Van Dan. Can you
see that?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
What age?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
What is this from?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Is this from childhood? From what the film is? Okay?
The film is? You tell me?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well, I guess with AI and stuff and you know,
special effects these days, they could like make a younger
version of Tom or or younger version of Sean Claude.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I think it's young Club.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, yeah, No, I'm gonna go for that as well.
And I think that's a lovely choice. Yeah one, I
think not. I think he's massively underrated. Great as an
actor anyway, it's fucking brilliant. I also just fucking love
Tom Cruise. I had an obsession and just love for
him from you know, as soon as I can remember
seeing them in movies, and everything about him sort of
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fascinates me. And I would love to maybe either work
with him or something. But if I can't work with them,
I'd like.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
To do in a film in my life.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Seem like the two options, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
They seem the kind of I imagine if anyone spent
anything I can't imagine anyone has ever spent any time
wondering who would play me in a film, But if
they did, I imagine John Claus and Damn and Tom
Cruise would be the immediate go Tos and John claudev
and Dan As I might come to one of the
other questions, actually was a bit of a childhood hero.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Okay, And I'd said, that's a great answer. What's the
nice romantic film you've ever seen. You're romantic, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Are you? Yes? Yeah, I'm actually are you?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I think you must be actually because you've you know,
all of you the you know in the short film
it's based on Soulmates, the TV series Super Bob. You
feel you know, you clearly actually have a very very
interested in human relationships and love.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And in that sense, I guess, see, you must be
a bit of a romantic. Tell me about your side.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Seeing them a paradise. So yeah, I think it, and
I don't. I feel I fear that Maybe that's an
obvious it's a lovely answer, but it's hard to see
past that. Everything about that film is romantic. And that's
also the first was a guy that I went to
lang Side College with when I was seventeen, before I
went to drama school, there was a guy in a
class called Zach Hanneff, and Zach showed me this film.
(24:42):
And I think at that point, when I was about seventeen,
my film diet still mostly consisted of Sean Claude van
dam movies.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
If I had seen a foreign film, I can't.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Quite remember, and it blew my mind, you know, And
like the romance of the little boy, you know, being
going to the cinema and oh, I forgot his name.
He works in the cinema who you know? Who shows
him how it all works? And then you know he
falls in love with the girl and the passage. It's
just everything about it is Italy. It is partially one
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of the most romantic countries, most romantic languages, and there's
a real kind of sentimentality.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I love Do you like it? I love it.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I think that's a really great answer. It's a perfect answer.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
What's the best film you ever saw that you never
want to say again?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Super Bob? I think, I think super bub Yeah, you
like the super Bobos.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I mean, surely, surely people listen to us know that
super Bob is the film, first film that you made,
and feature film that you made and starred in.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's a great premise, I actually have to say, thinking
about it, like a superhero on his day off.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
He's a postman, he's the world. Anna Zy Berry lives
in Peckham and the film is set on a one
day off. You said it's a great premise, and we
thought it was a great premise, and every single review
and the reviews were very good, Thank you very much,
very grateful. Yeah, they al said it sounds like it's
gonna be shit, but it's actually good. I was like,
I remember us guy, like, doesn't sound like it's gonna
be shipped with boys. It's gonna be good. It's a
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good premise. The premise sounds awful, but actually it's good.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I think the premise sounds great as well, Actually I do.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
And it was like it was funny that in a way,
I think weird that it didn't actually do more or
land even more the kid because you got really well reviewed.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
It was any and like it was like one cinema,
two cinemas. Yeah, and it's a funny.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
And that's why anyway, you know, that's why I think
eventually obviously you're you know, I don't want to fucking
compliment you again, but hard work pays off because but
super Bob isn't the answer, right, So the cup like
boy I loved boy Yeah, Richard link Later film, Oh
Boyhood Boyhood sorrage Boyhood Boyhood. I thought it was brilliant,
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but I just don't really have a desire to watch
it again. But I think actually it would be.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Ento the void. I love that and too the Void
by gasper Noise.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
That was and it's a tricky one because it, Yeah,
I maybe would watch again. It was such an assault
on the senses and the first maybe I don't know,
thirty five forty minutes of the film, the camera's kind of.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Just up there, I think more than that.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, maybe it's more so you're.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Not you don't get to see people's faces for such
a huge part of the film, and that in itself
was challenging because you're not used to it. It's such
a fucking mental story as well. And again pretty harrowing
past that wasn't nam past la past la Ferta, who
was also in The Boardwalk Empire. It is absolutely brilliant
(27:51):
in it.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
But I do remember coming I kind of I remember
watching it and coming out then and I was like, oh,
I feel as.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
If I've taken acid, yeah or something, I think, which
is maybe part of the point.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, I think you're mented, as I was thinking, where
it smokes meth is it?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, there's something yeah, Yeah, and you like experience it
for like fast minutes, like it goes.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Into the high technic cover like you're seeing yeah completely,
which I gain is interesting because I guess, like that's
what I love about a film like that under the
Skin as well, which is just utterly incredible when you
go and you see something that challenge is the way
you normally watch cinema as well, which is, you know,
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I guess it's like what you know?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Surely that's kind of partly what cinema's for.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
But I wouldn't rush to I remember coming out of
it and thinking that was amazing, but I maybe struggle.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
To to sit through it again, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
What's the best action film you've ever seen?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I think Terminator too. It's fucking great. It is fucking great,
And actually I was like, is it considered an action film?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I mean, it surely must be, right, okay, because Terminator
first one, isn't it an there's a lot of action
in it. I don't know if I would necessarily say
it's an action film, but that was right at the
cuss spot Germinator.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I think it's originally like considered like a sci fi horror, Yeah, yeah, horror.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah it's not. It's definitely not the Terminator two.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
But Terminator two when we must have been I think
twelve or something in that come out and that was
such a seminal movie at that time. Special effects when
Robert Patrick splits in half and goes into the sort
of silver liquid and then comes back in like as
a kid. That was, you know, we were so unused
to seeing something like that in the cinema, Like the
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idea of Arnie being back but being the good Terminator
this time. The sequences, I mean, it just had incredible sequences.
Linda Hamilton is totally iconic as the character Sarah Connor.
I obviously actually called her Sarah Connor when I terminated
Dark Fate. Absolutely, is that a neat segue there?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I left that out. Yeah, I was waiting for you to.
I just thought would nudge you. Yeah, only in it
for two scenes. How was that?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I forget you're in Terminator five.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I think it might be Terminator at seven, which when
they got to you know, it was amazing. Yeah, it
was because like that.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I remember actually when the when the audition came into,
my agent at the time wasn't sure if I wanted
to go for it because.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It was like, I don't know if it's that much
to do in it.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And I knew that Schwartzenegger and Linda Hamilton, we're both
back for it.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
So I was at I would do anything, and the
Terminator two is one of those.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
For me.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
It's like a back to the future type of thing.
It's such a film of your childhood. So I taped
for it and then I went for the recall and
they recall. Tim Miller was in the room, the director
of the first dead Pool and such a cool, brilliant,
brilliant guy, and he was like, Okay, so you know
this is the same blah blah, so it'll be you
and Linda, And I was at Linda Hamilton and he's like, yeah,
Linda's in this scene.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And I was like, fuck, you know, because I'm.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
A massive, massive Schartzenegger fan. But it was something even
more exciting about the prospect of doing a scene with
three scenes with them, with Sarah Connor and anyway, it
was fucking great.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I had so much fun doing it.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
But the most amazing part of it was, and I
don't know if you think this now, like with our
job and just life in general, we sort of I
do wait in our job in particular, will attain importance
to like I will think doing a big you know,
a big movie that I've done pantomimes and for those
listening to don't know what pantomime is Christmas show with
songs And is it fair to say there's a bit
of a snobbery in the business weirdly about them maybe,
(31:26):
or if I am I casting aspersions on that, you're
probably right.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
But then I'll say everyone they've kind of got more
legit to like as a name McKellen dy b one
like that, there's like fancy ones.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Now you would definitely be late and within you would
definitely be like, you know, doing soft Burner or something
would definitely be considered classier than a panto.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, or something. It would get you a little more
cripp Yeah, you're going to.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Like you might win a golden globe or something for sptburn.
I actually got the worst review I think anyone's ever
got for a panto. But that's another story. But anyway
we do, we're sort of like right doing the big film.
You might have heard it on the last one, but
obviously tell it the review. So when I played Prince Charming,
Prince Charming and Cinderella at the Hackney Empire in two
thousand and seven, one of the reviews said, and I
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remember it for Batum Stephen Cree is radically miscast as
Prince Charming and looks and sounds like he would be
more at home on the Clyde Side shipyards.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
That is fucking right.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
It's actually, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
It's actually xenophobic as wellment maybe seenophobic.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, cenophobic is definitely there is definitely the word the yeah,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
So also to be like, I love the fact that
it was something in the Financial Times as well. I
love the fact that it was not only was it
a bit ship where he's a bit on, you know,
he's not up to the caliber of the rest of
the cast or whatever, but to be radically miscast as
Prince Charming suggests that I was devoid of any sort
of charm whatsoever, and then throw into book that I'd
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be more at home making boats in Glasgow. My mom
thought I was shitting that as well, because you know, yeah,
my mom came to see it and she was like,
you didn't really look like you were having fun out there,
Like I just read review.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah I did. The reviews crisified me and that was
the last Panto ever does.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
The point of that actually was, though, yeah, I've gone
off on a fucking massive tangent we attain I do anyway,
I'll be like, oh, I'd rather be sotburn than being that.
But actually, you know, as you get older, I think
everything's just the experiences, isn't it? And what the fuck
was the question? And I've gone off with such a
tangent On my final two cool things. I remember my
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final day.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Arnie was in the next day. I missed them by
one day, and I just read his autobiography.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
So the guy that was doing my hair, Michael White,
I said, listen, if I write a letter, will you
show it to Arnie tomorrow? So I wrote him a
letter and he showed it to Arnie the next day,
and Arnie read it, apparently, and got to the end
of the letter and just sort of nodded and smiled,
and that was enough for me.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
But on my final night there, Linda Hamilton and I
went out for dinner and she was just just the
two of us, and she was vitally.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Linda was so cool. The impression got what. She really
kept herself to herself as well and didn't socialize much.
She was quite I think she's quite.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
A solitary person anyway, And we just had such an
amazing night, and she was just phenomenal. And again she's
like an icon really, and it was great getting that experience.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Of all the films.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
If you had to, which film do you think you
could have made and why?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I don't actually know that I necessarily could make any film,
but I really loved.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
After some Oh my god, I love Difference, right, I
loved it.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
And I think not for a second of my presuming
that I could, you know, do what Charlotte Wells did
with it, but the themes in it, themes, who's that?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
The themes that was like Charlotte Wells, he fucking definitely
can he can't make after what's that stuff you put
on when you're suborn? After? Oh? After? So that's it.
I don't know what I found that's so funny, but
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it was.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Funny after some said he doesn't even understand the title.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Well, maybe I could make some time motion. Yeah, the
prequel Paul characters really happy and a fucking great.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, because I love I love father Daughter stories full start,
and I think the one time, you know, when I
made a short film, I wrote film thank you, thank
you very much. It's about, you know, the sort of
similar esh themes I suppose mental health issues. You know,
it's a man and not a dossip man and a
younger girl, and there's you know, it's like a real
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there's a melancholy and I think it's the film if
I was, you know, and I do want to try
and make a film. Though I love father daughter stories
in particular, they really obviously they really resonate.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Do you keep breaking into that little gathering Because.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
You keep breaking into this little girl's room who I've
got no idea who she is, and taking weird fucking
photos beside her without even smiling.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I think it's because I'm trying to make my jawline
look good.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
There's a bit of and it's like I want Brett
to like this is so cute, like having a kid
is amazing, But also make sure that you're jawling.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
You want see what made it? Think?
Speaker 5 (36:41):
Uh, he's such a good dad and he's fit. He's
fit right, yeah, yeah, what a fit dad? What a
really good fit dad. So and also as well, because
you know there's the the that it's just themes. I
guess that I've always resonated.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
The only thing about after something correct me if I'm wrong,
and this is I don't necessarily know if I feel
hugely at the end, like a sense of hope. I
guess I know that we see that it's the images
that she's been seeing of her dad, and it looks
like she's happy in a relationship, and maybe there is
some sort of closure.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Or some of them forget and I don't. Listen.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I absolutely love the film. I loved it, and I
think Charlotte Wills is incredibly talented. I'm not criticizing it
at all, but the one that I just love. If
anything I've pretended to write, I like a bit of hope,
you know, I think that's.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
The answer to that.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I'm sure there is an argument that there is, but yes,
it is very.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Sad, and listen, that's life. That is life.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
So yeah, what is the film you have pretended to
like to impress people?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Do you know? I?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Actually I don't necessarily not if there's one specific film,
but it will be something like I can't remember how
to pronunce his name. That's he's somebody you know, are
like a random Russian film director or something, or oh,
who's that legendary Italian director somebody? I almost say it's
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definitely not fully I will probably you know sometimes where
somebody will go, oh, you know the you know, the
Corsalla version of such and such you just got oh yeaheah, yeah,
yeah yeah, and then you let ud please don't now
ask me a question about it.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
And every now and again you will get caught out.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
And either you go along with it and be like
as I once did with Mary and Keys it turns out,
and pretend that you've read their books, or or you
will have to be like, you know what, I'm gonna
have to be honest here. I've never seen it like
I thought I thought I had. I don't know if
I've ever turned around and gone, list, I'm going to
be honest, I've never seen that. And I just agreed
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with you because I thought it would be easier and
I thought I would seem smarter. But I can't think
of a specific film.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, I guess once you've you've you've the lie. You've
probably got to double down on it, right, Yeah, it
have you got one? But that's like you haven't even
seen that film. You've just pretended to like it. What
I'm saying the question is like, what's the film that
you've seen that you didn't like?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
A question, you're pretending you sure at the time I
read that, My god, I totally misunderstood that.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Then I feelm that I've seen that I pretended to like.
I don't know. Actually I will.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Sometimes be guilty of actually if I've seen something, but
then I'm speaking about it to somebody whose opinion I
really respect and they say they don't like it.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. Actually you know
what I mean. Probably I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
I thought it was fucking amazing, and now I'm suddenly
being like, oh yeah, But I think that's because I also,
as you know, struggle to trust the courage of my
own convictions or can't make a choice.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
But I know I can't. I can't. I've really fucked
that question. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
What is the film that you've never seen that you
think it's mad that you've never seen it? Citizen Kane,
That is, isn't it? What is the film you love
that you don't expect anyone else to lie.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Absent without leave?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Sean Cloud van Dam also in America known as Legionaire
or Jesus Christ Superstar. Now, I actually do feel like
everyone should love Jesus Superstar. To be honest, I just
know that it's a musical and it's not going to
always appeal to everyone, but probably absent without leave.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I mean, it's such a fuck.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
It's all about a great premise for a film like
Sean Cloud Vandam is in the fun I once acted
this entire film out at an Outlander convention, which is
how well I know it. Sean Cloud Vandam is in
the is in the Foreign Legion, and he gets news
that his brother has been killed by a gang back
in New York, so he runs away from the Foreign
Legion and two people from the Foreign Legion are sent
(40:50):
to get him, and he makes like an an unbelievably
arduous journey from I don't know where he is somewhere
in Africa, and you see them like swimming and water
running across desert Stowy on a ship, arrives in New
York and ends up fighting in underground fights so they
can underground car parks of llegal fighting to raise money
(41:11):
for his brother's widow and daughter, who are brilliant in
the movie. And the little girl is so cute, and
Sean Claude's fucking brilliant.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
He's so good in it.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
And it's a bit at the end where he's fighting
a tiller guys over from Russia, and it's a sort
of set up the show Jean Claude a video of
a tiller fighting and he looks shit in the video,
but actually he's incredible. So they get into the sort
of the underground the legal ring at the end, and
Sean Claude's coach guy who's fucking just suddenly.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Forgot his name.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
He's a brilliant actor. Sean Claude, you're on the fight
is getting really the ship kick. This is quite long, sorry,
but he's getting the shit kicked out of him. And
he's down on the ground and he's bleeding and stuff,
and he's coach, oh, for go if.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
You can remember his name.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
He's down the ground and his coach is like, in
Sean Claude's name and it oh, it's lying Heart. That's
what it's called. It's not called leading, it's called lyon
heart in America. And he's down in the ground.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
He's like, stay down, Linel, stay around, Lionel. The whole
beds on you, the whole.
Speaker 6 (42:06):
Beds on you.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
And shot clonified.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Dam looks up and the camera comes on really tiny
skip blood and he goes wrong, and that exact accent,
the exact weird accent I just did. And he stands
back up and the music kicks in and he walks
over towards a tiller and the tiller points at him.
He's like you and Sean Claude van dam just fucking
(42:28):
round how his fly kicks his hand out the way
and then proceeds to kick the otter shit out of him.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
But then when he could kill him at the.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
End, he spares him, of course, and and they all
sort of live happily ever after.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
What I like about you telling you that story is
you got the name of wrong wrong, which is fine,
but then you could him lying out.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
I noticed that as well. I thought, I won't bother
you to myself on that, and you will. You will
like this as well, because we haven't mentioned him weirdly
so far. My brother Derek, Yeah, you know something, Derek.
When we were younger, we used to watch that film.
Derek two years older than me. I mean, he used
(43:11):
to be punching shit out of me. I would be
down in the ground.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
And he would just go wrong bet and then just
like punch it into my face. Good, very violent.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
So sorry, we're very close now, though, what film would
you show a lover as a test to see if
you should be together?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Absolutely? What you do it? That's a great no, that
would do? I was the serious answer.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Maybe would be Aladdin or Cinema Paradiso the Original Disney
The Original Disney Aladdin fro nineteen ninety two, voiced by
Brad Kane and later so longer.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, I fucking love that. It's a great You're really good. Yeah,
if you could show a child one film, what would
it be?
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Do you go right?
Speaker 3 (43:56):
I was actually thinking right, and I know I changed
my I was thinking Team Wolf because I actually watched
Team Wolf earlier on this year with my daughter and
she fucking loved it. But actually, and what watching it
again as an adult, I haven't seen her for years.
I didn't realize what Team Wolf was actually about. And
at the end of the movie, it's so, you know,
Michael J. Fawks becomes the Wolf, and when it becomes
(44:16):
the wolf, all the girl's fancy. When he gets the
lead in the school show and he's brilling a basketball
and everyone loves him, but Booth, who really really loves
someone likes him.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Booth wants him just to be him, and he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
He kind of learns at the end of the movie
that he's okay as he is and he doesn't need
to be anything else.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
He doesn't need to be someone spit like, you know,
he's lovable as he is.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
And I was like, oh wow, I didn't actually as
a kid, I just thought, oh, this is a bit
of guy who turns into werewolf and surfs son a van,
you know, to surfing USA. And it's also got a
brilliant song at the end called Shooting for the Moon,
I think, but it's I don't think it's a great
message for girls, so because I still like but there's
a bit in it where he's in the cupboard with
(44:56):
Booth at a party that they go into the cover
and of kissing and he sort of turned into the
wolf clearly in the cupboards. She comes out and her
back's all ripped and she's got sort of ripped clothes,
and it's just like, I'm I don't know, I'm just
not sure that it's it's it's nineteen eighty five and four.
The messages are different, so I actually think it would
(45:17):
probably be Hills moving Castle, which.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Is you know, I don't know, No I just don't.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
I thought it's gonna be Team More Oh shit rises,
and then you said it's not gonna be ta fuck
not Team Will.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Thin.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
I'm just worried that I'm sending out no it has
moving Castle.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Okay, right, maybe Team Will versus Hills Moving Castle, which
hasn't been major. Hills Moving Castle is fucking incredible and
completely mind bending.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, I mean said to you, yeah, yeah, yeah. We
bought during lockdown.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
So my daughter was two when Lockdown happened, and there
was a lot of Pepper Pig being watched, and I thought,
I can't, you know much as I love Pepper Pig,
I thought I need to up the game here a
little bit. And I thought, I'm going to try some
Studio Ghibli films. And we watched Hills Moving Castle, and
I mean, I don't understand Hills Moving Castle. And I've
seen it about one hundred and fifty million times now,
we've watched it so many times, and she loved it
(46:13):
absolutely and utterly, utterly, utterly loves it and it's so
mind bending, and it's listen, I love Disney films, but
they're so different, and I don't I've got no idea
what the message is so Hills Moving Castle based entirely
on the fact that it's insane.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Okay, it's a good film for a kid to see.
What is the film that made you the most uncomfortable?
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I think that's actually quite a hard one.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
And I don't really know, but I was thinking, maybe
you know, we've seen you know, with Ben Mendelssohn and
Rooney Mara.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Oh yeah, no, I haven't seen the film. I so
the film is.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Running the character in Ben Mendelston's character has had its
abused Runey Mara's character when she was about I have
seen it, yeah, a sort of replying yeah, yeah, yeah,
when she was about thirteen. Yes, and she thinks it's
a relationship, and she sort of thinks she was in
love with him, and then he I think he gets
(47:10):
I think his gets put in jel for four years,
comes out, changed his identity, move somewhere else in the
film they meet because she's always been I think she's
clearly she's always been sort of confused by what it was,
and it's really sort of throughout the film, so is
the idea of that he also was.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
He argues that it wasn't abuse. He he loved her
that he's not an abuser.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
He is, and it's just a very uncomfortable and unsettling
watch and weirdly not weirdly about Callying.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
My wife cast it.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
And so in the casting process Ben Mendelson couldn't be there,
and when they were auditioning for the young version of Una,
they asked if I would go in and read in
opposite the girls, and the scenes that we had that
I had to read where unbelievably uncomfortable because he's flirting
with her basically, and the actresses that were coming in
(48:01):
were for you know, like twelve, thirteen, fourteen, and the
girl actually who got it. It's interesting as well being
on that side of the camera, which you will have
noticed a lot now as well. The girl that came
in Robby Stalks that got it. She came in and
she was I mean instantly sort of special, yeah, and
just said she's sat in the US notes or the
other actors that they were fantastic as well, but she
(48:23):
just really was. You know, it was a fucking it
was a difficult, difficult, difficult role and a difficult ask.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
But yeah, so good answer, Stephen, Great, Yeah, Stephen Cree,
you have been amazing, So I have made this decision.
I'm gonna let you live, but because you may die
again one day, no promises. What film would you like
(48:52):
to leave in your will for your loved ones? One film?
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Thank you, p no maniacts.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Good day to you, Steven Gray. Thank you for doing this.
You've been wonderful.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Is there anything you would like to tell people to
look out for us to listen to?
Speaker 2 (49:16):
What to say?
Speaker 3 (49:17):
There's a film called Queen at Sea. Queen at Sea
with Juliette Binosh and Tom Courtney, very exciting. It's very exciting.
Is I think also a really beautiful script while coming
out next year bag Man, Yeah, with Sam Claflin and
Frankie Corio, who was the little girl in Man.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
And what did I say? You said she has a
little girl in bag Man, But she's also the little
girl in After. So that's a horror film.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
So that'll be interesting see how it goes the final
season about Lander, which I mean in the in the
film with address that's it?
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, what's out for that? That's good? That film?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I think I think that one will be good. I
read the scripts and I thought it was great. Which
one the film?
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, yeah, I think so as well. It was we
still haven't finished it.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
We actually when we were going when we went to
see Billy Joe in concert that week was the week
that the strikes started, and I was just about to
film my final day or two. Oh you still haven't
done it and I haven't done it, and it was
like the big It was a you know, it's a
big scene, and we stopped the day before. So I
(50:26):
actually don't know when I haven't heard when we're going
to finish it. I assume that they will because they
spent a hell of a lot of money on it.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
So well, well, what's a pleasure you are. Thank you,
Thank you for being here, Thanks in person, Thank you
for being such a great guy. Thanks is a really
really good actor. Thank you, and a wonderful husband and
a wonderful man who breaks into someone's measure night takes
(50:52):
of the child. Good day to you, Thanks Brett, good luck,
Thank you to you. So that was episode three hundred
and sixty five. Head over to the patroon at patreon
dot com forwards the last Brett Goldstein For the extra
twenty minutes of chat, sequens and video with Stephen Cree, Go.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
To Apple podcasts. Give us a fight.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Start rating right about the film that means the most
to you and why it's a love the thing to
read it helps with numbers of my name but more
and really loves it. Remember to watch the trailer for
all of You, which comes out September twenty sixth. The
trailer is out today. Thank you so much to Stephen
forgiving me his time and coming over a year ago.
Thanks for being patient with this one. Thanks to Scruby's
PIP and the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace
for producing it. Thanks to Ieheart Media and wilfare A's
(51:34):
Big Money Players Network posting it. Thanks to added Wridgison
with the graphics and needs to land them for photography.
Come and join me next week for another cracking guest.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
That's it for now.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
I hope you're all well in the meantime, have a
lovely week, and please be excellent to each others.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
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