DS Game 5 previews, Phillies-Dodgers chaos, Divish joins from Seattle

Postseason bracket update! And another announcement about our next postgame show, which is happening on Sunday night.

(1:07) What an insane ending in the Phillies-Dodgers game. KP gives his instant reaction to Kerkering’s error, and we analyze aspects of the series for both side. 

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(14:21) We applaud Orion Kerkering for accountability after the game. 

(16:56) Game 5 in Milwaukee. What should we expect in the Cubs-Brewers do-or-die matchup?

(32:57) Quickie debate about whether the Yankees should move on from Aaron Boone and/or Brian Cashman. 

(35:41) Another Game 5 tonight, with the Mariners against the Tigers. Seattle Times beat writer Ryan Divish helps us preview the vital game and answers how the atmosphere will be in the city. 

(52:56) We answer a fan question about when the Cubs can use Cade Horton.

(54:45) Skip Schumaker is the new Rangers manager. Former Ranger KP reacts to the hire. 

Hosts: Kevin Pillar, Erik Kratz, Scott Braun

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, what a postseason, What a postseason?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Happy Friday, everyone. We know two teams. We still have
two teams to figure out for Championship Series spots. Bron
Kratz KP. We're gonna flip up a postseason bracket too,
and we're also going to remind everyone while we show
it to you that postgame shows are where it's at.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
We're running many of them on our YouTube channel.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
We did one after the Phillies and Dodgers last night,
Still super relevant, getting instant reactions from people like Eric
Kratz after that Phillies game, even just the first minute
is worth watching to go back to you after our show.
But we'll do another one on Sunday night for the Alcs.
That'll be the Blue Jays taking on I don't know

(00:47):
Tigers or the Mariners. So just want to let everyone
know there'll be a lot of that for the Championship
Series and then of course for the World Series. You'll
have a mix of us giving you instant reaction after games. Okay,
let us get KP's thoughts on that insane ending to
the NLDS.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
So let's charge the mounds.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Charge about.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
KP.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
We did thirty five minutes on what happened between the
Phillies and the Dodgers. Your instant reaction when you saw
what happened to Oryan kirkering on the mound that led
to the Dodgers walking off the Phillies and moving on
to the NLCS.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
My short answer is sadness. I feel for the player.
I mean, you just, especially in a place like Philly,
that can be a little bit tough on an individual player.
You hate to see two really good teams. You hate
to see that game in that way because they put
the right guy in the position to get the out.
You know, the game just sped up on him a
little bit. You know, he did everything he was supposed

(01:50):
to do. He bobbled the ball, he panted a little bit,
his internal clocks sped up a little bit. I mean,
the right place to go to first base, you know,
after rewatching it, he would have had to make a
good play to first base, but at least it would
have been the correct play.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Let's choose some more info here. First of all, and
this one's gonna go right back to KP. The Dodgers
are the second team in history in the postseason the
clinch a playoff series on a walk off error. There
was one other time period nine years ago today, Rubenettodor's
Aaron throw to first on an attempt to double play

(02:27):
allowed Josh Donaldon to score and the Toronto Blue Jays
swept the Texas Rangers in the alds op the stats
hooking us up with that one KP.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
You were there what happened?

Speaker 6 (02:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:40):
I was there for I mean obviously a much different situation.
I mean, first and foremost we were up to nothing,
so it didn't feel like an elimination game for us,
you know, like it was just a different we were
cruising in the series. But also the double play element
of it. You know, typically when you throw a ball

(03:00):
on a double play, it's not deemed an air. The
only difference is Josh Donaldson was at second base going
to third when he saw the mist throw. He ran home.
You know, I remember it like yesterday, the head first
slide coming out of the dugout, being super super excited
that we just went on and we were going to
our second straight ALCS.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
One of our teammates says he has nightmares about that
exact scenario that played out for Kirkering in Game four.
Trevor May said that play is my nightmare, Kratz, you
got one sleep on it. Any aftermath thoughts here.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
My nightmare is I have different color socks on and
I don't make it out to the game in time.
But that's a different nightmare. I have no other thoughts
on it. I even went back to the play that
I thought of that I made in the regular season
about or the play that I didn't make that cost
us a game, and like they're still residual. Maybe sometime
I'll tell the story, but there's still residual thoughts about it,

(04:04):
And so to have it be in this situation that
Oryan Kirkring had it in. It was a mistake. People
make mistakes every day. It will stay with him for
the rest of his life. My hope is that it
doesn't define him, and I think the people around him.
You already saw the sympathy support from his teammates, the

(04:24):
people that matter most to him, And now it's his
job to say it's not going to define me, because
if it defines him, he can go down a bad
rabbit hole.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Yeah, an old transparency. Playing in the playoffs, I was
always a little bit more concerned about this being the
end result of me being in the field is making
that mistake. I almost didn't want to make a mistake
more than I actually want to do something great, just
because you know, fans are so passionate and much like
Kratzy was saying, hopefully this isn't a moment in time

(04:58):
that defines him. It's something that you know, he has
an opportunity next year to be in a similar situation
and be on the other end of it and be
remembered for something great.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
See.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
I never thought of it as oh man, I'm gonna
make a mistake, and I'm glad that I wasn't like
smart like UKP, where you were like, okay, I'm thinking
through all the scenarios. I think my downfall in playoffs
was this is the moment I am going to do
something big oop, whoops, slider and a dirt or this
is huge, I'm gonna make this throat a secon Ooh.

(05:31):
I threw it into center field. Like I was always
thinking about the great play and I didn't play. I
was fortunate I didn't play with the fear of it
in mind. I just played with like maybe too much
reckless abandonment.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
I think that's a great way to play, though, I
mean the moment gets big in the playoffs and the
people that are able to just kind of either slow
the game down or almost treat it like a regular
season game. I don't think there's a wrong answer. I
just I just as I was in the playoffs a
little bit longer, I didn't have that kind of thought.
But I remember my initial postseason experience. I would be

(06:07):
on center field and I still wanted the ball to
be hit to me, but there was just this extra
layer of focus, and I was like, don't be the
reason this team loses the game.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
So one other component here. The Dodgers tied the game
thanks to or at least partially thanks to Alex Call
right he walked, and Kratz pointed out how it was
a missed call, and there are many. Every single game
has miss calls. This wouldn't seem unique to me. Kratz
in that the umpire actually apologized to Christopher Sanchez is

(06:42):
that normal? So here's the tweet from Lachland March. Christopher
Sanchez said the umpire apologized to him for missing the
two to two pitch to Alex Call in the seventh,
which should have been a strikeout became a walk, and
that runner went on to score the tying run.

Speaker 6 (06:59):
Yes they do.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I mean you can see on the screen number five
is half in the box, half out of the box.
They do apologize. Umpires do apologize. JT was flummixed when
he didn't call it, like he went to like throw
it around. Oh and then he like turned around, which
is kind of a no no. But for the umpire

(07:22):
to say that to me, that gives players it just it.
It calms the players down because they're like, Okay, I
get it, you missed it. Maybe today it infuriates them
a little bit more. But in the moment, look, man, like,
we're humans. We're not watching we're not watching a video game.
We're not watching robots. And when it's humans and you

(07:42):
have the human element in there, I'm not saying I'm
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like level of angst or excitement depending on which side
of the call you're.

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Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, I was going to say, they're human beings, and
I think that's where the ABS we should be in
favor of it because these umpires do care. I think
the human element of it is what makes the game great.
But at the end of the day, if you ask
that umpire, if they had the ability to challenge and
he got the call wrong and they reversed it, he
would be sleeping a little bit better at night. Ultimately,

(09:15):
these guys want to get the call right. And my
other point was on my way to Toronto to cover
the series, I was sitting next to an umpire that
I won't mention his name, but he was there with
his wife, and it just humanizes it, like his wife
is going there to watch them, and I'm just just
trying to think being in a white's position of an umpire,
you got to kind of be neutral. You don't really

(09:36):
root for your husband who's on the field, but they
are human beings with families and kids and wives. And
good on him for apologizing. I know it doesn't really
change anything, you know, long term, and really doesn't really
change any short term, but it does show that they
are human being and they do care.

Speaker 6 (09:55):
KP.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
How dangerous are the Los Angeles Dodgers. They have a
bona fide one through four starting pitching slate that they
can throw out their series by series. The question mark
can be the bullpen depth, but they also now suddenly
have perhaps the best closer in baseball who went three
perfect innings in that matchup.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Yeah, when you asked me that I didn't want to
stay the obvious because we going into spring training, going
into the season, if they were able to stay healthy.
This is what you were going to expect from the
Dodgers from a starting pitching standpoint. And obviously they went
out and signed a bunch of different guys in the
back end of the bullpen that they thought were going
to be dudes. But they have a real dude right

(10:37):
now who was having trouble getting outs in triple A
a month ago. But somehow the Dodgers do it again.
They figure out this guy can't start, We're just gonna
put him in the bullpen. Oh, by the way, we're
going to allow him to start closing playoff games, and
not only close games. He might even pitch three innings.
And when he's in there, he just wants to get
right back on the mound.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Krats favorite.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, they're they got through the toughest opponent in my opinion,
from what I saw during the regular season. They're gonna
have to find a way to beat the Brewers or
the Cubs differently than they then they had to find
a way to beat the Phillies. Philly starting pitching, they're
not going to run up against anything like they saw

(11:27):
day in and day out with the Philly starting pitching.
I mean, they were Philly starting pitching is the all
star of the series for the for the Phillies. But
they're gonna have to be able to beat the Brewers
a different way than they are the Cubs. And you know,
I think the National League wins it. I think that's
a I think that's a slam dunk. But you know what,
this team is firing on all cylinders and playing playing

(11:51):
their best in October what they were.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Built for actually kp.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
You know the scariest part for opponents, what three hitter
maybe five on the planet had a brutal series. That's bad.
That's really bad. Law of averages. It doesn't look like
anything's particularly wrong. And show heo Tani is not going
to go one for eighteen with nine strikeouts in another

(12:19):
postseason for the rest of his life.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
No, I mean, that's just the depth of the Dodgers.
You know, you can go pretty much without show hey.
I mean, he he In some ways he should have
just pitched. I mean, that's how bad he was to
be quite franked. But they're built for this, you know,
even even to the point where Max Munsey, who is
so is such a great player and has so many

(12:42):
great postseason moment moments. Is sitting on the bench to
allow Keik Hernandez, who also is turns into show heo
Tani in the postseason, Show Hey, who's in the regular
season in the postseason. It's like the Dodgers are just
built for this, Like it almost feels like the regular
season games are just this extended kind of warm up period.
Let's just go through the motions, Let's check all the boxes,

(13:06):
Let's make sure the body's feeling well, Let's get some
of the injuries out of the way, and then when
October rolls around, they're at their best.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Let's not be too recncy biased, though, we were talking
at this time last year, like can the Dodgers get
over the hump? Because this time last year, everyone's like
there's a faction of people who were like, twenty twenty
season didn't count. I played and it definitely counted, and
so they're like, can they get through an entire postseason
after an entire actual.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
One sixty two?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
So there was questions and they they almost were eliminated
by the Padres, so we're still questioning that, and now
they've won it, and now they're the way they're looking
this postseason. Yeah, you're like, whoah, these boys, these boys
are a juggernaut right now, and it's gonna be tough
to slow them down.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Now the ultimate test is can a team repeat because
we haven't seen it in the modern game, it's been
a quarter century. It's really difficult to do. They do
have a very different looking pitching staff from last year,
which I think does become a big part of things.
Not the only thing, but it does become a big
part of things. And many of the pitchers that are
they're thrown out there now didn't pitch last year in

(14:16):
the playoffs for them. Otani Glass now, Roki, et cetera. Okay,
here we are and we do have some Are we
able to run the sound here from Ryan Kirkrea? Yes, okay, cool,
let's run that right now and then we can react
for a minute.

Speaker 7 (14:32):
Shit off my foot just kind of once that the
pressure got to me. I just thought it was a
faster throw the JT little quicker throw than trying to
cross body at the price.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
So just more shit throw.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
The wall with the test ball, for sure, but yeah,
just kind of.

Speaker 6 (14:49):
Keep going with it.

Speaker 7 (14:51):
Hopefully it started a long career. Just keep back of
my head and this really fucking socks right now, but
hopefully keep pushing. When get over this, keep push.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
That's it. I can't, I can't.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
I can't be more proud of him for standing up
in that moment and talking to the media. The language
was just his honesty pouring out through it, and I
just can't. Yeah, I can't stand up enough for him
in a plaud like what he said was just what

(15:27):
he felt, and I'm proud of him for that.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
Well, I get goosebumps thinking about it, because when you're
at the top, when you make it to the major
leagues and everything is going well, it's the best thing
in the world. But there is a flip side of that,
you know, especially in the playoffs, the entire world was watching.
It was the only game on so to be able
to get in front of the media, stand there like

(15:55):
a professional, answer the tough questions that you don't really
want to have to answer, and then honest and then
the last part is just to be honest and real
and like Kratty said, you know the language he used
and how he said it and the emotion and hold
back the tears is you know, only going to allow
him to have more fans in this world. I know

(16:17):
it sucks right now, but it's much appreciated from someone who's,
you know, been at the top of the mountaintop, who's
played in the major leagues and has had some bad
moments and had to stand in front of the camera
and be honest and kind of be vulnerable. And I
think that's what people don't understand is baseball players and
athletes are still human beings and they're vulnerable. And he

(16:39):
did a great job with it.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
And when you hear someone be accountable and answer questions
like that and be real, I think that you got
a deeper connection with a fan based right yep.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Humanization factor.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
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Speaker 1 (17:11):
Game five. Here we go, baby. Maybe home field.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Advantage is a thing in some scenarios. Brewers take the
first two, Cubs take the next two.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
What's next?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
What's next? Game five? That's what's next.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
You're making me choose.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
You're making me choose already the one.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
I'm not making you choose who wins. I'm just saying, like,
what are we expecting in this game? Are the Cubs
going to show up with some pop? Are they going
to keep blitzing the Brewers early on? Tell me what
are you expecting here? How are the Brewers going to
map and craft the perfect you know, bullpen strategy here.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Because it's going to be all bullpen. It's going to
be all bullpen strategy. Is the miz going to show up?

Speaker 6 (17:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
I'm not fully confident in the mis yet, but kind
of like Rokie we saw in the other series, like
when you have a lead, stuff, you have a chance
to be elite. So do they need to give miss
a lead before they bring him in because maybe they're
a little not confident in it. To me, yeah, the
Cubs are gonna come out swinging in the first inning.

(18:12):
They've scored a billion runs in the first inning. And
to me, if the Brewers want to win this one,
I think it comes down to them playing their game,
which is defense, bullpen, and the thing that has been missing, missing, missing,
missing this whole series their base running. I need to
see them steal some bases. I think we If you

(18:35):
go back to when the Diamondbacks made their run in
twenty three, they had a team that was fast and
it was like, man, the Phillies just were keeping them down,
keeping them down. All of a sudden. In Game four
they started running, they didn't win. Or in game five
they started running, didn't win. Game six, they started running
again seven, putting pressure on them. To me, I see

(18:56):
the Brewers getting stuff going. Say, you have to steal
all the bases, but you have to put pressure on
a really good Cubs defense that doesn't give you extra outs,
so you're getting extra ninety feet with your legs, which
the Brewers did really well all season.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
Yeah, I think about how these short seasons are, these
short series work. We talk about home field advantage just
I think home field advantage for those first two games
is real. But when you go down two and you
go home, yeah, you want to play great in front
of your fans, but kind of everyone is counting you out.
Then you win that first game, and then there's a
little bit of pressure on the Brewers like, oh, we

(19:35):
don't want this to get back home because then home
field advantage is a thing. So the Cubs are able
to win the second game, and I think all the
pressure is back on the Brewers now because you're up
O two. You had a chance to go into Chicago
and sweep them. You lose that first game, you start
to feel that little bit of pressure like, oh no,
if we don't win this game, it's coming back home,

(19:56):
and then the real pressure amounts. So I think the
Cubs have a lot of momentum go into this. I
don't think homefield is going to play in this scenario.
I think the Brewers had to win it on the
road in order to win this series. I think the
Cubs find a way.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
To do it.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Wow, Okay, Yeah, that Game three was tight.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Brewers had a ton of chances and they did not
come through right. They had bases loaded. Keller came through
in the eighth inning when they brought him in. That
was a perfect button pressed by Craig Counsel in that moment.
But that's a four to three game game four. Kp
was not close, right. They blitz him early, as they've
been doing. It was ean half this time with a
three run shot off of fastball over the plate, and

(20:38):
he'd been cold, so maybe he's woken up. Aside from that,
there were threats from the Brewers, but.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Man, it never felt close.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
When you watch that one from front to back and
then of course, the Cubs added insurance runs, you know,
one per inning in the late stages.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, I mean, I'm speaking from a little bit of
experience as someone who is down two in a series.
Slightly different because we lost those first two games at home,
but that was kind of always the mindset was you better.
The only way we're losing this series is you had
to beat us in game three, because if we went
in and didn't get swept, we could feel kind of

(21:19):
that momentum, that pressure starting to turn to the team
that was up to oh. Because everyone says you're up
to oh, you're supposed to win. But when you don't
win that third game, that fourth game feels oh, very
very very critical. And the Cubs went out and won,
very deciding. Now you go back on this flight, and
you know what you're up against not only a Game five,
but you're also staring down the fact that you might be,

(21:43):
you know, a team that loses. Teams that are up
to oh win like almost ninety percent of the time.
So that kind of little voice and that little pressure
kind of adds up a little bit too.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, fifty to fifty if they win. To me, the Cubs,
the Cubs big sticking point here who had a good
game last night? Two of their big guys, Tucker, what
was he two for I was just looking it up.
Two for three, two walks, a steak, a dinger, Like

(22:15):
that's scary if you're the Brewers, because how did the
Brewers get knocked out last year by a dinger to
end the game or in the end of the game
by Pete Alonzo at home. Brewers fans need to come
to the park with a positive attitude because that negativity
of oh are we going to get are we going
to get bounced again? In back to back to back years?

(22:38):
Like is this how it's going to go down? Like,
Oh no, what's going to happen next? And I think
if they can get rolling, they'll take the momentum and
they'll push it through the end of the game. If
it's a close game throughout, I think the Cubs ultimately prevail.

Speaker 6 (22:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
And the greatest thing you could do as a road team,
in which I experienced being in Yankee Stadium during the
Toronto series, is you can go in with a plan
as a fan base. But baseball is a very reactionary sport.
You can only be excited about things that kind of
happen on the field. You can motivate your team, but
you're also very reactionary. And what the Blue Jays did

(23:17):
a great job in Yankee Stadium. They scored first, they
shut up the crowd, and then it took the Yankee
some things to get back into the game, to get
the crowd back into the game. What the Cubs have
done really good in this series is scoring early. So
if you're a Brewers fan and you want to create
this home field environment, even if the Cubs score early,

(23:38):
you have to find a way to just continue to
be loud and motivate your team and not be very
reactionary and not allow things that happened in the past
to kind of dictate what's happening right now during this series.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
And we've seen this from the Burs all season long.
I mean, falling behind early on in games and then unfhazed.
Not even late catchups, it's often early catchups. I mean,
I've seen plenty of Brewers games where this happens, and
we saw them in both games that they played at home,
falling behind early, and especially in Game two. Right Game
two was the Suzuki home run from sea and then

(24:15):
five seconds later. I mean, we're tied, so they are
certainly capable of doing this, but can they outslug the
Cubs in a winner take all game, and do they
have the pitching plan in place. I'll tell you one thing, guys,
I am certainly concerned if I'm a Brewers fan, regardless
of what happens in this game five, because I'm looking
at a Dodger team that's got the traditional starting pitching setup.

(24:36):
They've got it all, they've got the experience, they're clicking
at the right moment. And for Milwaukee, it's still difficult
for me KP to look at this team and how
successful they've been in regular seasons but not able to
get over the hump in the postseason and wonder, just
like we talked a little bit about with the Phillies,
if they don't have the right potion to go the distance.

(24:56):
I do think you need to build a regular season
winner and have other things in mind for the postseason.
Of course, traditional starter horses can help carry you. Brandon
woodriff loss was huge for them. Imagine if you had
the wood if that we were seeing when he came back,
that would be a huge difference maker. Because that was
eventually taps your pen, and their pen didn't have a
good game just now against the Cubs.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
That was the exact name that came to mind. Is
when you're talking about having the right pieces, the right potion.
I think they were counting on him pitching in the
postseason this year. Obviously he has some injury history. He
got injured this year. But you can get away with
these kind of bullpen kind of scramble mode kind of
games in a five game series, but you will get

(25:38):
exposed in a seven game series. And that was always
the question with like a Dodger team, if they can
get to the seven game series, that's what they're really
built for because they do have your traditional four starters.
You know, they even have a fifth starter and Kershoff
you really wanted to use them who's now in the bullpen.
But it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough if
either of these teams move on, because I don't think

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the Cubs really have that kind of starting pitching depth
two that you know, maybe like a Dodger team has,
where you're rolling out four guys that you're very comfortable
with every time they take the ball.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Kratz, do you feel this at all, what are you
seeing postseason version of Milwaukee. I know it's only been
four games, but you made a face when I said, Hey,
if you get through this game five, you're running into
the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
I think they're built to give the Dodgers a tougher
time than the Cubs. I think the Cubs can be
pitched too, and you know, I think they're And look,
people are gonna say I'm a homer. I'm not a
homer for the team of the Brewers. I'm a homer
for the fans of the Brewers. I almost want this
more for the fans that I do, individual friends that

(26:48):
I have on a team, or coaches who are on
the team that I really like. To me, it's about
like this, this fan base getting the ultimate prize. And
in the way is the Cubs right now. In the
way is the fact that they don't have a starting pitcher.
But over these years, look at what the Brewers have

(27:09):
had in starting pitching. They have had Corbin Burns mega
free agent. Big Wu was going to be a mega
free agent before the before the shoulder derailed him and
he missed almost two seasons. Freddy Peralta is a bona
fide Ace. Now he's taken that next step and you
continually add guys in.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
So to me, I think they were built. They were
built for.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
The postseason, but there's so many they don't have enough
depth overall. And that's where I think it's tough. When
you don't have the money, you can't go out and
keep one of these guys. So they have to do
things differently. And now they're backs up against the wall.
They have to go and push all in whatever they
feel like. Their style is go push all in and

(27:56):
leave it out, leave it all out on the field,
run but hit whatever it is. Your superstars need to
step up. Each starting pitch or each pitcher needs to
be ready for tonight and they need to leave it
out on the field or the Cubs will take them
down in this game.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah, I mean I got the same. I think the
Blue Jays team is unbelievable. But that's really my concern
with them going into that longer series is who's going
to pitch the fourth game and if the Seattle's able
to get there. I think that's what Seattle's really built for,
is playing these long playoff series, assuming like someone like
Brian Wu comes back. But it's hard. It's hard to,

(28:37):
you know, really have four starting pitchers that you rely on,
and sometimes it's really even hard to have three starting
pitchers you can rely on. That's what makes the Dodgers
just kind of this unique scenario where they just know
that throughout a season you're going to go through a
lot of starting pitching depth. But ultimately, when it comes
down to these long series that you're trying to win,

(28:58):
we need four guys.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, and during a season you need like fifteen, and
then you hope that you've got five or six towards
the end of the year. Then you can pick from
that five or six to go with four that you
think you can.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Get through October with.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
And then if it's a tough decision, great and Michian
pitches out of the bullpen for the Dodgers. Roki Sazaki
is now a bullpen and extraordinary, And we get it.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
They've got the resources.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
But we mentioned this in the postgame show last night
when the Dodgers took down the Phillies. They're not the
only rich team in baseball, and they actually made plenty
of mistakes, right Like they signed up Tanner Scott and
Kirby Yates. They're not a relevant factor for this team
in October now. So it's not like it was perfection.
The Mets spent close to as much money as them

(29:43):
and they haven't figured out even making the playoffs this year.
But anyway, we're excited. Game five is going to be awesome.
Can't wait to see it. My last shout out here
from Game four is Matt Boyd completely turning it around
and showing why he needs a regular rest like any
other starter in baseball. I'm sorry like that. His stuff
was so much better, so much more crisp, command of

(30:06):
the curve, crats like it to look just like at
his secondary stuff alone, and the difference that you saw
in the first game versus what you saw in Game four,
I was like, Okay, yeah, modern starter needs regular rest,
especially a guy who's been through it, pitched a really
long year, had some issues down the stretch of this season.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
It was a no brainer to see the difference. And
they won't do that again.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
These are the kind of decisions that I would be
more leaning towards, like somebody else getting in trouble for.
And I'm not saying it's a council thing. I'm saying
for the team to come to him and say, hey,
will you start. Maybe wasn't reading the room and if
the Cubs lose, If the Cubs lose this series, somebody
wasn't reading the room. Having Matthew Boyd all the things

(30:51):
you just said, a little bit of injury history has
kind of bounced around, was struggling a little bit at
the end of the year, and you can't go to
him and say, can you get us game one short rest? Like, yeah, KP,
I'm sure you would agree with me. Your leg's hanging off.
You're like, am I faster than this person you're gonna
put out there? I'm playing. But there's a point where

(31:13):
the team has to say, no, we're not gonna throw
your own short rest. Sorry, we just can't do that.
And it proved it last night.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
It's not always the rest component too. It's as a
starting pitcher, you get off the mound twice, you throw,
and then you got your bullpen. But to be sharp,
you need to be able to kind of have that
bullpen day, you know, unless maybe going into it, you
know you're gonna pitch on short rest and maybe you
can get off the mound a little bit and really
work on your craft. But you know, it's much like

(31:44):
pinch hitting, Like it's really hard to go out there
and be in a rhythm all the time. That's why
playing every day is a little bit easier than coming
off the bench. So when you're only able to get
off the mound and then get off the mound again,
and you have no ability to kind of work on
your mechanics, your feel for your pitches, I think that's
an equally as big factor of why guys typically struggle

(32:06):
on short rest is because they just don't have the
feel for their stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, perfectly stated.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
We're excited for this one game five n LDS Brewers Cubs.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Winner takes on the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
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(33:02):
Ken Rosen thoughts some flight delay, so he popped on
at one o'clock Eastern and got his fair territory show
for the week done. In the books coming back from
the Yankees Blue Jays series, so lots of thoughts from
Ken on that series, and specifically he addressed what went
wrong with the Yankees and if Aaron Boone and or
Brian Cashman should be concerned about their job security. And

(33:28):
most Yankee fans are gonna laugh at this point. There's
been a lot of continuity there for a while, but
it's at least a discussion worth listening to with Ken
kp your thoughts. I mean, the Yankees, for their standards,
have not gone the distance in a long time for
their standards, right, It's a team that's had a ton
of success.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
They have resources, they've.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Had the same GM forever and now they've had the
same manager for a long period of time. Some of
the guys are going to move on, but I'm talking
about player personnel. But they've still got most guys under
contract for a while.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
So what do you do?

Speaker 5 (34:01):
I mean, I honestly, I listened to what you know,
Jeter and a Rod had to say after the game,
and I don't think it's Aaron Boone problem. I think
it's a roster configuration problem. You know, obviously someone had
the entire team. Can't take the blame. You can't. The
old saying is you can't fire the whole team, right,
so someone has to, you know, be fired, you take
the blame for what they're doing. And in this case,

(34:22):
I don't think it's Aaron Boone. I think it's the
roster that he was given was a little bit flawed.
You know, you have two left handed catchers, you have
multiple dhs, you don't have a lot of versatility to
be able to kind of mix and match. You don't
have a lot of contact. You have a lot of
power and not a lot of contact, not a lot
of speed. So I think it's more about the way
the roster was constructed and granted, you know, if you

(34:44):
have Garrett Cole pitching in two of these games, it's
probably a different story. But teams that are able to
overcome injuries of their superstars and being able to have
depth and piece it together and draft and develop and
have these guys kind of you know, waiting in the
wing is you know, I think the bigger issue here Kratz.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
One thing I just want to add, and we'll have
to have Andrey Martinez back on the show because he
was kind of defending the front office side of the equation,
even though I do think it's much more roster construction
than Boonie is.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
He said out.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Susan Waldman pointed out that no, Boonie's just getting the
info and then making the decisions. And I love Susan too,
but guess what, if you disagree too much, you don't
have a job. That's how it works. It doesn't have
to be said. But I'm going against both of them
on that front, and.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
They have to all work in lockstep. Good organizations, which
the Yankees are a great organization, are working in lockstep
where you don't win.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I agree. It's ft presented by Fox One.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
We're going to talk to Ryan Divish coming up in
just a moment about the Seattle Mariners and the Detroit Tigers,
and obviously the Mariners have the ultimate street going here.
The only team KP in Major League Baseball that's never
made it to the World Series. No World Series appearances
for the Mariners, and they're damn close here.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
I mean, if they weren't clashing with the team that
I'm rooting for, I would be rooting for him, because,
once again, I like seeing things that have never happened before.
I think the Mariners is a tremendous organization. I always
love going to the city of Seattle. Very passionate fan
base and hot take. I think they have the MVP.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
Not that hot, kind of lukewarm, kind of a lukewarm take, but.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
No, I no, I was more to just get you
going a little bit.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's I think it's fifty
to fifty. Got a chance it is going to be
a game five, not like we've ever seen. I feel
like when it's Game five.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
You're like, oh, who's going to hit the home run?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
It's like who's going to get jammed and get the
first on a fielder's choice?

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Can we recreate that ball that went over Schoobl's head.
You know, that's what they're working on the cagere at
right now. They're like, hey, you can't hit them, but
maybe you can chop one off home plate, get it
over his head. And if you are fortunate to somehow
get to second base, just run like hell until someone
stops you, because it feels like that's the only way
to score.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Run off them, and we'll pick your thumbs up. The
next batter will pick your thumbs up in the batter's box,
or the guy scoring will pick pick your thumbs up.
Like it's like you're gonna see old school baseball tonight, that.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
Is for sure, buners.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
I mean we could see we could see a sagmunt
in the first inning. I think that's how that's what
type of game it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Over Under two and a half bunts.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
In the game, I'm going under. Going over, I'm going
under because they won. They won't have that many base runners.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Wow, here we go.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Let's talk about this big game five coming up with
Seattle Times writer Ryan Davish. Back on it, Ryan, we
really appreciate the time, crazy night coming up in Seattle.
Can you paint the picture of how crazy it's going
to be for the city, but then also for the
game in terms of decision making on the Seattle side,
I think Dan Wilson probably is going to have a

(38:15):
little more churning to do with his pitching decisions versus
aj Hinch.

Speaker 8 (38:20):
Yeah, I'm expecting it to be chaos tonight. I think
part of it is is like, I know the fan
base is excited, but there's a segment of the fan
base it's absolutely terrified of what's kind of happened because
of I don't know, just the years and years and
years of frustration, and so there is a large segment
of the fan base that's probably a little pessimistic.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
They seem to all reside in my Twitter mentions.

Speaker 8 (38:44):
Then there's also a part of the fan base that's like,
oh yeah, I no, Like it's better that they have this.
Let's you know, they can win it at home, everybody
can celebrate with them.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
It'll be pandemonium.

Speaker 8 (38:54):
I mean, when they clinched the division, there was a
huge party outside of T Mobile Park and people are
out celebrating. So I'm guessing that's you know that there's
just all that kind of anxiety, like nervous anxiety, excited energy, all.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
That stuff mixed together.

Speaker 8 (39:11):
You just don't want the rubbing off on the players obviously,
and it's for the moves. I mean, like it's gonna
be a little different. You know, we've expected this from
aj Hinch because that's how they've done stuff a lot
of the years.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
But it's different when you have Trek Skuel on the mound.
You don't, you know, your decisions are pretty easy.

Speaker 8 (39:28):
With Dan Wilson, you know it's gonna be managing a
game different than he's ever managed before. I mean, I
think that he saw that in game one, adjusted in
game two. I thought in game four there was some
different things he could have done maybe to offset things.
And so tonight it's gonna be you know, if George
Kirby doesn't have it, you got to go get him

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right away.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
You know.

Speaker 8 (39:50):
I think he'll be fine. I think George's has looked
pretty strong. You saw the ninety nine mile por sinkers.
He was firing in the last game. There's last outing.
But you cannot hesitate. You have to be aggre if
in every decision you make in a game five, because
it's winner.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Go home, Ryan finish this sentence for me, the manner
the Mariners win tonight, if.

Speaker 8 (40:12):
The Mayors win a night, if Cal Rawley or Julio
Rodriguez hit a homer, that's you know, to me, that's
a big thing. Like if you noticed the first few
games where they were going, Julio was a big presence,
and I think Game three, Game four, they really were
very careful with how they pitched to him because they
know how much damage he can cause, and he didn't.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
You know, he didn't have a hit in neither of
those two games, I believe, So getting.

Speaker 8 (40:36):
Julio on base or having him hit him hit a homer,
I know, you guys, a boy aj he's been bringing up.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
If the Mariners hit two homers in a game, that
are usually pretty unbeatable.

Speaker 8 (40:45):
So if they can get one homer from Cal or
Julio and then maybe a homer from somebody else, that's
how they do it. But it probably won't come off
of Terrek schoobl I mean, like you think about it.
The other day, Scooble threw what six innings, he struck
out nine, He allowed five hits, but he just basically
they made two mistakes and they were both to Polanco.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Who hit him out.

Speaker 8 (41:03):
I'm guessing that he won't throw a cement mixer to
Jorge Polanco again, or even a two to zero fastball
and challenge him. I think they're gonna be very They're
gonna be very cognizant about where they want to be
and with in certain spots of the zone and let
other guys beat them, specifically the bottom of the order,
which other than in Game four, hasn't done a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Do you lean to the fact that it is almost
impossible to beat Tarrek Scruble four times in a season
and just say he's been almost perfect. Now tonight he's
gonna be perfect? Or is there something in the sauce?
Is there something in the fact that this team swings
and Tarrek Scrugle's not pitching around guys and so you

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know the two laws of attraction pitches guys pitching the
zone and teams that swing. Something bad is gonna happen
for Scooble.

Speaker 8 (41:51):
I certainly don't think they're afraid of him. I mean,
like you played him three times, you're not afraid of
what he's done. You know you can beat him, even
if it has been kind of ugly.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
In how they've beaten him.

Speaker 8 (42:01):
I mean, we're trying about Donovan Solano hit an RBI
triple in one of the games that they beat him,
and Dylan Moore, who you know, in the first time
they beat him, they hit a solo homer. Those guys
aren't with him anymore. But I think you beat a guy,
you've seen him a lot. I think they understand. The
one thing is is like that that change up, that disgusting,
filthy change up they get in counts where that it's
a possibility. They just got to see it up because

(42:23):
it's like that thing is so nasty and he'll.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Throw it left on left. You know.

Speaker 8 (42:28):
I was looking at my buddy Tim Booth that works
with me at the see all times. He did some
research on this and like guys coming out of their
their cy Young year or guys in their cy Young Year,
and we were expecting Schooble to win the Cy Young Year.
They don't lose to a team four times very often.
And the best kind of comp we could come up
with was twenty thirteen Clayton Kershaw, who lost the you know,
the Dodgers lost two games he started against the Cardinals

(42:49):
during the regular season, and they lost both times in the Alds,
so that's kind of where you know, and man, they
just crushed Kershaw that year. I don't think I'll do
the same with school. But that's where the territory we're
in right now. It's like you're comparing Scooball to Kershaw,
and that's what you're trying to do is beat him
four times or beat a game that he beat the
team when he starts four times in a season. It's

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not simple, but I mean, stranger things have happened.

Speaker 6 (43:14):
Should they even be in this spot?

Speaker 3 (43:16):
We've watched a Tigers lineup that is, in my opinion,
is putrid. I get it the fact that the Mariner's rotation,
the Mariners bullpen, they are just running out arm after
arm after arm, and Tigers have looked listless. And yet
they're in a spot that is enviable by everybody. Elite
starter going and you win tonight, you move on. Should

(43:39):
the Mariners even be in this spot?

Speaker 4 (43:43):
No, because I think they should have won Game one.

Speaker 8 (43:45):
I don't think there's any way George Kirby should have
pitched the trek school or to carry Carpenter. There was
a bag open if you want to walk him. You
can do that, just don't let that happen. And similar
to the other day, I mean it's three nothing. I
know that you know, Spire and Bizarre, they just weren't
as crisp.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
But I think you.

Speaker 8 (44:03):
Know, in that situation, Dan Wilson did a favor for
AJ Hinch by bringing Inspire to face Parker Meadows.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
That was into ten. You know he strikes out thirty
percent of the time.

Speaker 8 (44:13):
You don't need if you want to go bring in Bizarro,
because what happened is is the moment Spier came in,
Jamia Jones came in, and that did them a favor.
You weren't You weren't putting a situation where AJ had
to make a decision between Jami Jones and Kerry Carpenter.
It's no decision with a lefty face in Parker Meadows.
You're going to Jamia Jones regardless of the defense that
Meadows provides. So then all of a sudden, Gabe Spier's

(44:34):
facing back to back writings. Then he gets Carpenter in
another wrighty, that's not what you have Gabe Spier in
there for.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
And I know he can get out right hander. So
I think that one was kind of questionable. The Mayors didn't.

Speaker 8 (44:44):
Add after they got the three runs they had basis load,
they only get one. But yeah, I feel like this
series should have been over with. Am I a little
sour because it would have been a lot easier to
drive from Toronto from Detroit to Toronto than flying back
to Seattle.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
But they they, I.

Speaker 8 (44:58):
Mean from a talent standpoint, yeah, the Marriners are the
better team. And what happens is when you get to
a game five in a short series and you know
they got their horse going, luck starts to play into
it too. A bad break here, a bad break there,
you know, I mean you look at the other day.
I felt like the Bryce Miller inning where everything went south.
Randio Rosarina has to cut that ball off in left field.

(45:19):
It's happened twice. Bad angle, bad Reid doesn't cut it off.
Let's it get to the gap. Then all of a
sudden it's a double scoring run. You know, if he
cuts it off, if he finds a way to cut
it off, maybe they get the run of the third.
But Dylan Dingler does not get to second base. And
then you can play a little bit, You can match up,
you can do some things. So I think, like that's
the thing is like, once you get into a game five,

(45:41):
the luck component happens. One mistake here, one mistake there.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
You know that happens.

Speaker 8 (45:46):
Like even last night you're watching you're watching the Phillies
and the Dodgers. The Phillies had so many opportunities and
they just couldn't and it's game five and you find
a way to lose and you're done. And that's the
difference with the five game series versus the seven. In
a seven, I think the overall talent of the Mariners
wins out regardless of decisions. But in five, you know,
you make one mistake, you have one bad game from

(46:09):
a reliever or something like that, and all of a
sudden you're fighting for your life.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
All right, make your best case against Aeric Kratz, who
believes Aaron Judge is going to win the MVP. Why
cal Rawley should be the MVP.

Speaker 8 (46:23):
Well, the running joke was the other night cal Rawley,
after Vargas threw the wild pitch that he couldn't block,
he threw one hundred mile per hour sinker in the
dirt that cal went across his body backhanded and blocked
with one leg and glove and right there I said,
I mean, yeah, hitting sixty homers is pretty hard. Catching

(46:45):
Carlos Vargas multiple times in a season, on's the aeron judge,
do that?

Speaker 6 (46:48):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (46:48):
I mean?

Speaker 8 (46:49):
Like the amount of stress that Cal Rawley has put
on himself and his body physically every day.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
Crats should know how many times you get up and
get down in a nine inning game.

Speaker 8 (46:59):
I mean, this is guy's caught more innings than anybody
else in the American League.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
I just think physically what he's done.

Speaker 8 (47:05):
The amount of pressure, the amount of time, the amount
of focus that goes into everyone else other than him.
I think that's why. I mean, that's how you measure value.
You know, I was a very mediocre catcher in college
and catching a seven inning game, I felt like I
got hit by a train. So Cal's doing this every
night and catching the best guys in the world. So

(47:26):
I just think, like the amount of influence he has
on the game, beyond his hitting numbers, beyond OPS plus
or ops is something you can't possibly measure, but you
kind of know it. And I mean, I guess to me,
it's like I see an MVP level performance and somebody
joke with me that it's because I spent most of

(47:48):
my early years of my career in Seattle watching bad
catching that when I see good catching, I overvalue it.
But I don't think there's any overvaluing good catching and
production from a catch. I mean, how many guys do
we see now produced from the catcher spot the way?

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Not even like cal Rawle.

Speaker 8 (48:06):
I mean cal Rale of last year is kind of
like a unicorn hitting thirty five bombs sixty.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
I mean, I will never see a season like this again.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
You mean Kenji Joe Jama wasn't the best catcher you've
ever seen?

Speaker 6 (48:20):
And go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
I go off the list.

Speaker 8 (48:25):
I covered Miguelo Levo and Jeff Clement, Jesus Montero, who
I hope is doing better because I know he's in
a bad car accident down in Venezuela.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
I cover a lot of bad catchers.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
I mean, you know, that's why when Mike Xanino, when
they drafted Mike's Andino, and everybody was upset because you know,
Zanino was a two hundred hitter. That the amount of
runs that dude save. And I mean, ask the Tampa
Bay Rays what they've been looking for since a Nino
got hurt and retired. Like when you have that that
guy back there and you can stamp him in and
he can post.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
I mean, it just makes such a huge difference.

Speaker 6 (49:00):
All right.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Well, to make sure KP understands, I think Cow's the MVP.
I think Aaron Judge wins it. My opinion and who
wins it are two different things. But we gotta go
to We gotta go to Josh Naylor for my last question.
Josh Naylor relaying signs, what what do you like? Can

(49:26):
can we put this to bed? Is Hinch pissed about it?

Speaker 6 (49:29):
Is?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Is it something that's gonna be taken care of tonight
spring training?

Speaker 6 (49:33):
What do we got on it?

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Yeah? AJ didn't seem very upset, you know, but AJ's
pretty polished on the podium.

Speaker 8 (49:41):
I'm not gonna lie like he's a writer's dream because
he can talk forever about anything. But he didn't seem
too upset about it. I don't think kazy Miies was
upset or pleased about it. You know, he had a
few words. But this has been going on. It happened
to Andres Munos in New York earlier this year. Your
judge and some guys were signaling pitches and Munyos was

(50:05):
leaving his glove open so they could see the grips
on his pitches. And your facing Ondres Munno is knowing
that slider's coming is pretty useful. So I don't know
how much was pure location how much was gamesmanship. But
dominic can Zone was right after him and he was
signaling as well.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
And I think in this.

Speaker 8 (50:22):
Situation, you know, you have to you have to do
whatever it takes. Sure, could you be a little more subtle, Yeah,
But I mean, let's be honest, as Josh Naylor ever
come off as a subtle dude when it comes to.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
That kind of stuff. And I'll say this about Josh.

Speaker 8 (50:38):
Naylor, and it's true, he picks it up from watching
the games, like the lost art of watching games. You know,
you're not looking at the iPad and everything else. He's
in there watching games, and like he picks stuff up
while he's watching the game, whether it's from the dugout
on base, you know, he sees all that stuff. And
I mean, credit to him. Yeah, could you do it
a little bit more subtly? Probably? You know, when we

(51:00):
saw Dingler moving the locations around a little bit and
trying to fake out the locations, and I don't know
how much of it was real and what wasn't. It
certainly bothered Casey Mice when he was pitching. So I
don't think Josh is gonna change. I don't think anything's
gonna make Josh Naylor change anything. So from there, we'll
we'll see. But it'll be interesting tonight.

Speaker 7 (51:18):
You know.

Speaker 8 (51:18):
In the old days, there yeah, heaters in your ribs.
I just don't think the postseas are going.

Speaker 6 (51:22):
To see that. Now.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
You might see it next season, or like krat said,
sometime in twenty twenty six, when it matters less in
a different moment. And I don't believe Hinch for a second,
or even if you do. It might not have bothered him,
but it bothered some of the players. And we also
saw what happened later on in the game. I mean
the Tigers lit up. I'm not saying that that was
what caused it, but I think some Tigers were pretty

(51:44):
pissed about it.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
That's me.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
They're certainly aware about it.

Speaker 8 (51:47):
Right now, they're going to be discussing and I'm sure
they discussed it on the flight and discussing it pregame.
Make sure, Hey, close up your glove. Okay, don't signal
too soon. We saw that with cal Rawley too, that
they felt like the Dodgers were tipping some and even
the Astros were, we're tipping some pitches and kyl Rawley
started showing the glove and his target a lot.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Later because of it.

Speaker 8 (52:05):
You make the adjustment and there are you know, you're
trying to win here and it isn't illegal. I mean,
I think that's probably probably one reason why AJ Hinch
can't talk about it or be hypercritical of it, because
it'd be a little hypocritical.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
If he did, considering who he managed during those years.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Exactly right. He has to watch it a little more,
which is understandable too.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Ryan.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Enjoy it, man, It's gonna be awesome. What a scene.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I know you've covered this team for a minute and
this is the big moment. So thanks for joining us before.
I appreciate the time.

Speaker 6 (52:35):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Yeah, thanks.

Speaker 8 (52:36):
I've had a lot of AJ in my life. I'm
not going to say five games of AJ. It's a lot,
you know.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
One more AJ and he's going to be bringing this
is his last game of the year, so yes, we
apologize in advance.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
But I don't feel bad for you.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
We have him on just about every day, so I
sit next to him for half of my life. Thanks Ryan,
doctor soon dude, coming back for a quick minute here.
So Mike G's a big Cups fan and he's been
in the chat. We've been going back and forth.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Two things.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
One he said we were not listening closely enough to
the broadcast because it was in the very beginning of
the game.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
And I actually will take the l on that one.
He's probably right.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
We're doing a postgame show, and you know, they were
flipping from the one game to the other, so there
was a little bit of crossover there, so I I
was looking at it, but I guess I missed. You know,
apparently the broadcast was picking up the Freddy thing and
it was a huge deal and it's all they're talking
about in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
So okay, that's fair. Number two.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Caid, Yeah, exactly, not a national story, more of a
local thing. Cool Caid Horton, he said, would you try
and fudge the roster get someone hurt to put him
in for Game five? Because he said that he's pain
free now. And I looked into the story a little
bit more and he did say he's pain free, but
he said really not trying to still push it. But

(53:46):
for right now, I'm feeling good. So I don't know
if he's definitely ready, And I don't think that's going
to happen because I'm assuming there's got to be all
kinds of throwing programs and things going on. But maybe
he will be a factor in the next round, which
would be huge for them if that's the case.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Not pudging the roster, as somebody who's been on the
phanomi l they're not fudging the playoff roster. You gotta
you're gonna go through a lot more channels to be
able to pudge a roster in the postseason.

Speaker 9 (54:16):
I wanna get hurt, can come back, fracture Griff Robert,
All right, let's slap quick crats, hats.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
Nice, that's it. I'm here with my buddy K Pizzle
Drizzle from the Sizzle.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I have a question for k Pizzle.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Skip Schumacher was just introduced to as Rangers manager. We
all saw that one coming. But are you excited for
him to lead the charge?

Speaker 6 (54:54):
Now?

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Am I excited for?

Speaker 6 (54:58):
What? For? Skin?

Speaker 5 (55:01):
I'm not there anymore.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, I like Skip.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
I think I think I know, Yeah, I'm excited for Skip.
I like Skip a lot as a human. He was
around a ton. I think he got kind of the
short end of the stick in Miami. And you know,
he's in a good place. He's in a good place.
See he's you know, took a year off, learned the organization.
I think he's the right guy for the job considering

(55:24):
what they're talking about. Obviously they have a lot of
big contracts they have, but they're gonna have to fill
that roster with a lot of younger guys to to
kind of bring payroll down. I think Skip has a
history what he did in Miami getting the best out
of those young guys. So I think he's the right
guy for the right I think he's the right guy
at the right time where this organization is heading.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
I didn't see the press conference, but saying you want
to establish a winning culture for a team that won
two years ago, Skip, you might want that one back.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Like obviously I love Skip.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
But I but I think that's been kind of the
big I think that's kind of been the big issue there.
There's been it's been an excuse year after year, we
want a World Series, but the culture isn't about winning
right now, so I think I think what he's saying
is valid.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
I agree, and he did it in Miami with no personnel.
It's a thing. It might be a generic comment, but
I agree with KP.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
Yeah, it's not a winning team. It's a culture that
he created, so I think it's fair.

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