October 7, 2025 • 27 mins
Is pitch tipping the new paranoia taking over the game? The Athletic Sr. writer (and pitching analytics expert) Eno Sarris chimes in and also drops insight on an increasing pitch arsenal trend among postseason starters.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You know, Sires a senior writer for the Athletic back
on foul territory with us pitching aficionado, analytics stuff, plus
the whole deal. Also listen to him on rates and barrels.
Really appreciate the time again. You know, it's great to
see you. And there's two key articles I want to
hit with you. So I'm actually going to start with
one put together by some of your colleagues on pitch
tipping and how much paranoia there is and how there
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are a lot of MLB players really speaking publicly, I
think more than ever this year about it. So where
do you stand on where we're at as a sport
with pitch tipping taking over as a way to get
an edge.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I mean, we've seen it the traditional way this year
with Hazes Lozardo kind of showing inside his glove and
having to figure out how to hold his glove, you know,
tighter to his body and have to make that adjustment.
I mean, that's totally above board. That's we've played baseball
that way forever. If you can see into the glove
and you can give a sign from second base, then
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that's part of the game where I think that it
you know, this piece goes and talks about what's what's
uniquely challenging about the modern game is we have all
these technological ways to spot tips now, and so you
can run a player's biomechanics through the machine and the
machine can point out, oh, his elbow here or this
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or that and kind of highlight places where their delivery
is different for different pitches. Then you can take that
back to the hitters meeting and say, can we see this?
Is this actionable? You know, the machines say this and
this and this. Then you can even take it to
the traject machine, which is this you know, new wave
pitching machine that really shows you the pictures delivery and
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kind of gives you kind of a hologram almost of
the pictures delivery. And you can actually start to take
the tips to the pitching machine and practice them. So
now you can before the game, you know, the hitting
group can say, hey, you know, we think his elbow
does this on sliders.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Can you see it?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
We'll throw on traject Oh yeah, I can see it.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I can see it. I can see it.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And this is.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Why Cody Bellinger says, sometimes I can't even unsee it.
Once they tell me what the tip is so you know,
the the this is part of the old school game
coming together with the new school tools, uh to make
it really difficult. But kind of came to a point
with Matt Strom on the on the on the mound
kind of showing into his glove and Andy pa Has,
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you know, sticking his arm out. But after the game,
Andy pa Has says, well, you know, I wasn't giving
pitch type. I think what he was giving was pitch
location because he made that movement on two different pitch types,
as Strom pointed out on social media, but both pitches
were inside, so I think he was tipping location. The
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catcher was tipping location by setting up early, and Pies
was relaying that. I think that's less I defer. I
want to defer to the hitters here on the panel,
but I would throw this to you guys. It's less
useful maybe to have location because pitchers missed their location.
It doesn't give you pitch type. How do you feel
about tipping location and would you want to know that
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if you were a hitter at the plate.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Location is the key because I can take a guess
on what's coming depending on who's out there. Yeah, if
a guy gives me in and I'm facing a lefty,
I mean, I ain't getting a slider in and ain't
getting a breaking ball in. I'm getting a fastball or
change of ninety percent of the time for most lefties,
it's going to be a fastball in right so or
even if I'm facing a righty and they give me away,
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they're not usually throwing a slider or something outside. They're
usually trying to backfoot it. To me, you got to
know yourself a little bit. So yeah, location location. To me,
the pitch type is fine and it helps you, but
you don't know where they're throwing it. But if you
can get a guy to tell you where to look,
that's a huge advantage.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, I mean I agree, but especially with the idea
that like, oh, this is probably hard. So that's probably
what task or thought process was inside. It's probably hard.
It's a one to zero count, I'm gonna gear I'm
gonna gear up for the fastball. And but the the
flip side of this in this this moment in particular,
was that Strom didn't execute. You know, the pitch wasn't good,
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so it wasn't even where, it didn't even hit the target.
So but but it probably helped the oscar to some
degree to kind of you know, go think ahead and
be like, this is probably a fastball.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
It's coming.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
I got to ask you this because social media blows up.
There's people from right field saying, oh see, he's got this,
he's got this signe see and he's taken this. He's
taking his phone camera all the way from right field
and seeing like, oh see, how obvious it is. How
much do you feel like, as somebody and I'm not
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saying this in any in any way defaming you, you
didn't play that. When you see something as demonstrative as
this or this, do you feel like it is actually
them having the sign? Or do you feel like teams
are now playing the cat and mouse game like look
at us, look at us.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Patrick Bailey admitted that earlier in this season. That's in
the piece from Anny McCully. He admitted that he was
just doing it to mess with the picture and now
the pictures like, what what do they got on me?
Oh my gosh, I'm in my head? And so yeah,
there's definitely some of that, and you know, I do
try to defer to people with play. That's why I
mentioned when the machines kind of kick something out. If
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I was part of that, you know, hitting group that said, hey,
the machine say he does this with his elbow or something,
I would bring it to the hitters, not like this
is a tip and you guys have to act on.
I'd be like, can you see this? Is this something
that's useful to you? And ask them and and and
give them the opportunity to decide for themselves rather than
sort of tell them. I remember there was a tip
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that was that somebody discovered on social media that they
were very sure about. It was Padre's picture, and I
forget what the tip was a better or so. It
was something about like his mouth before before he threw sliders,
and this person was very sure of it because he'd
shown that in these couple of days that like, you know,
he was he was he was doing this weird thing
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with his mouth before sliders. But then I was like, okay,
let me just look at a random game and use
this idea. And I couldn't replicate it in a random game.
So maybe one day he was doing this weird thing
with his mouth, but that doesn't mean he does it
every time. So yeah, I think that the social media
aspect is interesting. I mean it's really exploded on social media.
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It's like kind of the jamboification to some extent, where
like everyone's like, oh, I've got this figured out. You know,
he does he you know, he blows a bubble before
he throws every slider. You know, sometimes it's true and
sometimes it's not.
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Speaker 3 (07:48):
You knows.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Here's a couple of things on what you just said. One,
if a guy was tipping, you had to get it early, okay,
It had to be before he picks up his leg
before he goes. Yes, you can get tips off mouths.
There was a bunch of guys that tip. You'll hunt.
Santana tiped to his mouth for a while, so he
started chewing gum. He would do different things, so, yes,
that was a real thing. Tyler Clipper did that with
his mouth. I hit a home er off on one
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time because he would go on fastball, stick.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
His tongue out on change up. But you could see it.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
It was early, right, So those things matter. My question
is is okay? Patrick Bailey I know this, and I'm
not the old guy on my law and get off my.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Long guy at all.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I love the new age way to play. Well, why
doesn't anybody go out there?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And we've had this conversation on here before, Like Crawts
will tell you, if there was a guy we even
thought was given anything, Catcher would walk out.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
To the mountain.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
You act like you're picking up the rosenbag or talking
to your picture, and you're not even talking to your picture.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
You're talking to the guy at second base and you say, hey.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Look, I don't know if you're giving anything or not,
but if you move on the next pitch, the guy
at the plate is gonna get one, okay. And the
easiest way to do is you go out your picture
and say all right, I'm gonna call Slider and you
throw it up and in and you watch the hitters reaction.
He'll tell you if the guy's given him location. Right,
But how come it isn't police differently? You know, we
got guys out there waving their hand, even if they're
just messing with the picture, they're making it so obvious
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that it's like, how do we not police this better?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
As a sport?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, I think I came up with Jazz a little bit.
Jazz was was showing off a tip against the Braves
and he kind of was like flapping his arms at
second base, and you know, the Braves coaching staff let
him have it, and it became an issue after the game.
And so to some extent, I think, you know, that
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was some policing without having to hit Jazz, or at
least kind of making Jazz answer questions after the game
and kind of pointing out that he looked silly out there,
you know, flapping his arms around and stuff. But maybe
you know, Jazz hadn't planned it and he just spotted
a tip on the fly and he didn't know what
to do, so he just started flapping his arms, you know,
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like I wasn't there for you know, the pregame meeting.
I doubt they were like, Jazz, if you get a tip,
flap your up the arms that have been down like
an eagle.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So I can't answer that one for you, because you know,
I haven't been in those shoes. But sometimes it looks ridiculous,
and you know, with the PA has thing, you know,
for him to say afterwards, I wasn't tipping, and he
wasn't like giving pitch types like he probably was trying
to convey some sort of information or getting someone's head.
So I don't know that he was completely truthful in
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his comments afterwards either, But you know, nobody wants to
give it away an edge at this point this season, especially.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
For sure, and every pitch matters. So if you get
something for one pitch, that could be what swings a
series and you go home or you stay there. Let's
talk about pitches. Let's talk about what she wrote about
starting or different pitchers leaning on pitches that they normally
didn't lean on throughout this postseason.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, it's been pretty amazing. I looked it up even
show hire Tani.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Show here.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Tani in his start yesterday through more curveballs than he
had in any start ever except for one. So he
basically was like, hey, you guys, are your keyed in
on my splitter and my fastball? Here's the card ball.
Blake Snell threw more change ups than he ever had
in a start. As I pointed out, Uh, Schlitler went
to more sinkers. You know, there's also like they're changing
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over time. Schlitzler was throwing more sinkers late in the season,
so that might just been more comfortable with the sinker.
But Nick Povetto was going to with two strikes, was
going to the fastball almost twice as much as he
did during the regular season. Schoobl had a ninety two
on our slider, so he went heavy on that. Matt
Boyd in his first start in the wild card threw
more changeups than fastballs. He you know, he didn't do
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that all year. And it goes, you know, hand in
glove with another. You know, I love I love like
researching baseball because so many times old school stuff like
comes flips around and people accuse, Oh, the nerds just
figured out that, like having more pitch types is great.
I mean, yeah, okay, But what really happened was we
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went through all these different ways where we're like, oh, hey,
throw your best pitch most often. That's how you succeed,
you know, throw your fast one slider, Just throw those
most of the time if those are your best pitches.
But we've come back around now and the newest thing
in vogue is to throw lots of pitches. So pitches
have gone from pitchers have gone from throwing four uh
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pitches pitches on average starting pitches. We're throwing four pitch
types on average four years ago. Now it's five, and
that's I know that's only one pitch, but that's a
kind of a big deal to go for the average
that much. So now the average pitcher is throwing five
pitch types. And what you can do if you throw
five pitch types? You come to October and you say,
here's that one pitch that you guys didn't prepare for
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and I'm gonna throw the heck out of it.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I'm gonna throw a.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Ton of them and you're not gonna be ready for it.
So there's so much advanced scouting, there's so much thought
process going into so many meetings. So much of this
is like what do you do last time we saw them?
What do we do in the what do you do
in September? And if you can be like, oh, here's
this one thing I haven't done all year that I
saved for this moment, it seems to have worked really well,
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and I think it's it's it's almost a troll job.
Pitchers are trolling the opposite offense right now by using
a pitch that they don't usually use.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
A lot.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
You know, I covered Schooble last night out in Seattle,
and you mentioned he wasn't throwing his change up, but
that was on purpose because they the Mariners hit his
change up.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
So he tried to go away from it.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
He still got a ton of outs with it last night,
and he gave up a homeer on a slider, so
maybe he should have gone to the change up, but
that was on purpose, right, And he still punched out nine,
walked one, and gave up like four hits and obviously
the two homers. But some of this is game planning
and some of it is, Hey, what did the Mariners
hit Againstchooble in the past, and.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
They tried to go away from it.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
But I'm going to tell you this right now, Terrek
Scouogle's change up is the number one valued pitch in
all of baseball.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
You can't take that away. It's the best pitch in baseball.
You still got to throw it. I don't care what
this kind of reports.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
So yes, you might lessen it a little bit trying
to do other things, but at the end of the day,
he still got to go with the pitcher strings.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, that's a really interesting idea to talk about, because
even when you're talking about Nick Pavetta like flipping up
his fastball usage. So part of that was on curves
that move like pavettas the Cubs this year slugged seven
fifty and they saw the most pitches like that all
year in terms of movement and velocity. So yeah, to
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some extent, he didn't want to get stuck using the
curveball in any predictive way, you know, in any predictable way,
because then they would they would hit it well, and
they'd shown that, so that was part of flipping over
to the fastball. Now they've also hit the fastball well.
But and he didn't stop using the curveball. To your point,
like it's not you know, he can't. He can't get
through a game without using the curveball. So there is
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a tension between your strengths and the opponent's weaknesses. But
I just found it interesting that, like, you know, we
have these advanced scouting you know, plans where people are
like they're going to do this and this, and now
you know, there's being a big rise in self scouting.
So you know, I was first turned onto this where
a pitcher, a pitching coach was telling me every time
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my pitchers faced the Dodger, it seems like they're totally
ready for our pitching plan. And he's like, I think
that they're just really good at self scouting. So they say,
how would I get Freddy Freeman out if I was
the opposing team? And now I go to Freddy and
I say, they're likely to do X, Y and Z
because I looked at your numbers and I put together
game plan on how to get you out. And so
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Freddy can be like, and you can go to the
plate anticipating how they would get him out, So this
would be okay. Well, no one's advanced scouting my curveball, Shohatani.
They're thinking all about the slider and the splitter and
the fastball. So the curveball is a wrinkle that I
can bring into this game that they probably didn't do
a lot of scouting around all.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Right, last quick one here before September fourteenth, because Trey
Savage got called up on September fifteenth. Did anybody see
his stuff, his profile, his metrics as being as dominant
as he's shown, and if so, what heck did the
Jays not call him up before this?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know? I think that's almost I think this fits
into our what we're talking about here. I think they
didn't want anyone to see him. I think they didn't
want I think this was their surprise, and one of
the first surprises I remember, Like this is Francisco Rodriguez
in two thousand and two being added to the postseason
roster and just blowing up the league. Man he had
one of the best postseasons of all time, and nobody
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had seen him before, and it was electric, and nobody
had scouting reports. They hadn't stood in against him, and
it was obvious. So I think, to some extent, you
hide you Savage. The other part is, I mean the
stuff metrics always liked him. But what's interesting about your
Savage is it's so unique. I mean, he's a little
bit like Jonah Tong, He's a little bit like Jeremiah Strada.
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These are very over the top, sixty degree arm angle
guys with a lot of ride on their fastball. The
thing that may see a Savage different is he throws
a slider with armside movement. There are only four pitchers
in baseball who throw armside movement sliders like that. Dory
Moretta is one of them. It's not a list of pitchers,
you know. But that's the thing that separates him is
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first of all, it's extremely over the top, great ride,
good vlow, good command on the fastball, really good splitter.
And then there's just this weird slider you know, that's
like backup slider that doesn't look like anything else. So,
you know, I think he's just really strange. It's probably
really uncomfortable. Even if you went and sat in on
the traject I don't think that you get the full
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feeling of somebody that has an extreme arm angle like this.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
That's fallsy because you got to make the playoffs, got
to win the division, get the buye, do the whole thing.
So you want a guy up to win games. But hey,
now you got him, it's your secret weapon.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Go for it. You know.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
This was great man. Really appreciate the time. Again, they
did talk about you Savage on Rates and Barrels months back.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
That's how I found out about him.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
And you can dial into his articles in The Athletic,
including the one that we were talking about. A lot
to get to there. You know, thank you, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1 (19:05):
Pick your poison brand new series on FT. So your
team's not in it, who do you root for? We're
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organization and the people around them, and see if you're
going to buy into rooting for them. We're going to
start with the team that had the best record in
baseball this year and they have never put together a
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World Series title, the Milwaukee Brewers. Aj why should some
rogue fans switch allegiances temporarily from a team that's not
in it and root for the Brewers the rest of
the way.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Think about this for a second, because their fun at
hell to watch, and the crowd is awesome, and they
have the craziest manager in the game, crazy like a fox, though,
and Pat Murphy says things, does things that are a
little bit off base, but his players get them, and
if you talk to him, he really knows baseball. Just
the way they play kind of an old school baseball.
And if you're into that, and you're into guys at
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bunt and guys that take first the third, and guys
that can cover ground defensively and good pitching, then the
Brewers are your team. And one through nine that there
are some of parts over over stars, but for me,
they're just a fun team to watch, and Murph and
the way he handles it, did you guys see Murph
the other day when they scored like nine in the
first two, they showed him in the dugout and he
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just had that little i hate to say this little
crap eat and grin where.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
He was just like the first time ever.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
You never see Murph smile during a game, but he
just had that little grin and then Craig councils over
in his dugout just stress. And so I just think
they're a fun team to watch, and Murph is great,
and you know, they got some gimmicks, but they make
them work.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
I'm gonna say to follow this team because your team
is not in the playoffs. Pirates, Reds, your teams are
not in the playoffs right now. Cardinals, your teams are
not in the playoffs. If you're a small market, you
need to follow this team. And this is the team
should choose because their organization, year in year out, puts
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a team out on the field that can win, and
then they get behind them as an organization and say, okay,
this is what you need, this is what you're good at,
and they get the most out of their players. They
don't make any more money than any of the other
small market teams. They're actually the smallest TV market in
baseball until Vegas comes into town. But that's the way
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that you can get on board with this team. You
can get on board with how each of these guys
were not necessarily the first pick by other teams. You
can get on board with the fact that they got
the DFA bullpen. I guess it's not as much this year,
but it's a bunch of guys that have been put
together and they figured out how to win. Oh and
they figured out how to win more than everybody else
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in Big League Baseball.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's a great call. You know who I'm thinking about
too in the mix here, Christian Yelich did sign one
of those big boy contract. So if you're a fan
of a small market team and you're like, my team
won't sign up my dude for a long period of
time because my owner's complaining, then you look over at
Milwaukee and you say, successful, they win games, attendance, because
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they win games enough money to sign a franchise player,
And that's Yelich coming over from another team.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
If you get somebody early on like Jackson Curio, who
already looks like a star player in our sport at
a very young age, then you can wrap them up
for a long period of time. I think the Brewers
make many other fan bases jealous. Aj they even make
big market owners very jealous. Why because then they turn
to their front office executives and say, how come they're
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doing that with this and you guys get all the
resources and you can't beat them.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
See David Stearns in the Mets at the present moment,
Steve going in to send out an apology letter after
they didn't make the postseason. By the way, it looks
like there's a lot of rooms buying me, it doesn't
it with all the doors and also, as Jeremy pointed out,
it is the best tailgate city in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I mean they get there.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Hours before the game and they have and if you
can just walk outside the stadium, you smell the brats
and everything grill burgers on the grill.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
It is a great smell. So they also do that right.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
And they have one of the best logos in the game.
And they have two mascots. They have Bernie Brewers Slide,
but barrel Man gets very underrated as a mascot. Let's
not forget barrel Man and what they do there.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
I want to hit on Yelich because I played with
him the year he won the MVP and then they
locked him up after that. As a small market organization,
you have to you can't miss on these types of signings.
You can't miss when spending two hundred million dollars on
one player. So to me, it's all about how that
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player is going to act when things are good and
when things are bad. And Christian Yelich couldn't be somebody
who is more every single day ready to prove that
this contract wasn't a fluke. It wasn't a fluke, wasn't
somebody something that he shouldn't have gotten. So when your
small market doesn't want to lock up a guy like
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Christian Yelich, you're really you're losing so much value for
the organization. Yelly almost feels bad that he got the contract.
He knows he's a good player, but he almost feels
bad that he's getting paid this much and he wants
to go out every single day and prove it. When
he was hurt, he was like, the worst part is
that I'm not out there with the boys. When he
wasn't playing well, he was like, you know what, it's okay.
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I'll turn it around because I'm out there every single
day and they can see that I'm not one hundred percent,
but it means more to be out there every day
and playing with the boys. And now he's fully healthy
or as fully healthy as Christian Yelich needs to be.
And he's a freaking lynchpin of that lineup right now,
and they all kind of follow suit behind him, and
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they all he's that leader. That's not that you know,
maybe outward leader that some people think, but in that clubhouse,
he sets that tone and he sets that environment.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I'll also give credit to the team for valuing their broadcasters.
They have some really good broadcast talent and they stick
around there clearly for a reason. Brian Anderson, Jeff Levering,
and the legend in a class of his own, Bob Buker,
who was a brilliant game caller, a brilliant ambassador of
our sport, funny as hell, and look, he spends a
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good chunk of his life calling Milwaukee Brewer games.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So there is a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I mean, if you haven't been to a game out there,
and I would definitely advise it's it's a really fun experience.
The people that you're around from a fan base perspective,
are special, so it makes sense. And it's not like
we're just you know, doing the Milwaukee Brewers kool aid
drinking session here right now. AJ We're going to do
this for some other teams as well. But I think
this is so the way to work at things.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Oh and they're easy to work with.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Mike Vasalo, their their PR guy is great, even though
he you know, he doesn't show up sometimes because he
had his appendix out, Like come on, Basalo be better
than that, right, But you forgot rock there. They're an
analysts who's there a lot. He's great to listen to.
There's just a lot of things that are good. Sophia
Menner and one of their other you know that that
translates for some of the Spanish Spanish players is awesome.
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The people just are really nice when you walk through
the ballparking plus, I mean, I mean there is I'm
not quite on the crats, you know, full bandwagon with
the Brewers, but I will say this, I've got to
go down the slide, We've got to run in the
sausage race. It's it's a pretty cool place, Milwaukee and
the town.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
It's sneaky good.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
If you know where you're going, it is sneaky good.
I was there last weekend and they were having october Fest.
And let's just say there might have been some some
old beers thrown down by me.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
They have a few of those out there in Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yep. They got a lot of fests. They got a
lot of fests in Milwaukee. Concerts.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
It's a sneaky great music scene too. Everybody goes to
Milwaukee to do their concert mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Sneaky sneaky good golf too, by the way, sneaky good.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Golf for a little longer and then and then no.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yeah, but I'm not there in the winner, so I
don't really care about this now.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, they don't have a great football team. I'm not
a big fan of their football team. But the rest
of it.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
If you like this segment, let us know in the comments,
and if you want us to bring up another team
in the postseason mix, then we can do that.
You know, Sires a senior writer for the Athletic back
on foul territory with us pitching aficionado, analytics stuff, plus
the whole deal. Also listen to him on rates and barrels.
Really appreciate the time again. You know, it's great to
see you. And there's two key articles I want to
hit with you. So I'm actually going to start with
one put together by some of your colleagues on pitch
tipping and how much paranoia there is and how there
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are a lot of MLB players really speaking publicly, I
think more than ever this year about it. So where
do you stand on where we're at as a sport
with pitch tipping taking over as a way to get
an edge.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I mean, we've seen it the traditional way this year
with Hazes Lozardo kind of showing inside his glove and
having to figure out how to hold his glove, you know,
tighter to his body and have to make that adjustment.
I mean, that's totally above board. That's we've played baseball
that way forever. If you can see into the glove
and you can give a sign from second base, then
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that's part of the game where I think that it
you know, this piece goes and talks about what's what's
uniquely challenging about the modern game is we have all
these technological ways to spot tips now, and so you
can run a player's biomechanics through the machine and the
machine can point out, oh, his elbow here or this
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or that and kind of highlight places where their delivery
is different for different pitches. Then you can take that
back to the hitters meeting and say, can we see this?
Is this actionable? You know, the machines say this and
this and this. Then you can even take it to
the traject machine, which is this you know, new wave
pitching machine that really shows you the pictures delivery and
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kind of gives you kind of a hologram almost of
the pictures delivery. And you can actually start to take
the tips to the pitching machine and practice them. So
now you can before the game, you know, the hitting
group can say, hey, you know, we think his elbow
does this on sliders.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Can you see it?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
We'll throw on traject Oh yeah, I can see it.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I can see it. I can see it.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And this is.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Why Cody Bellinger says, sometimes I can't even unsee it.
Once they tell me what the tip is so you know,
the the this is part of the old school game
coming together with the new school tools, uh to make
it really difficult. But kind of came to a point
with Matt Strom on the on the on the mound
kind of showing into his glove and Andy pa Has,
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you know, sticking his arm out. But after the game,
Andy pa Has says, well, you know, I wasn't giving
pitch type. I think what he was giving was pitch
location because he made that movement on two different pitch types,
as Strom pointed out on social media, but both pitches
were inside, so I think he was tipping location. The
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catcher was tipping location by setting up early, and Pies
was relaying that. I think that's less I defer. I
want to defer to the hitters here on the panel,
but I would throw this to you guys. It's less
useful maybe to have location because pitchers missed their location.
It doesn't give you pitch type. How do you feel
about tipping location and would you want to know that
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if you were a hitter at the plate.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Location is the key because I can take a guess
on what's coming depending on who's out there. Yeah, if
a guy gives me in and I'm facing a lefty,
I mean, I ain't getting a slider in and ain't
getting a breaking ball in. I'm getting a fastball or
change of ninety percent of the time for most lefties,
it's going to be a fastball in right so or
even if I'm facing a righty and they give me away,
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they're not usually throwing a slider or something outside. They're
usually trying to backfoot it. To me, you got to
know yourself a little bit. So yeah, location location. To me,
the pitch type is fine and it helps you, but
you don't know where they're throwing it. But if you
can get a guy to tell you where to look,
that's a huge advantage.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, I mean I agree, but especially with the idea
that like, oh, this is probably hard. So that's probably
what task or thought process was inside. It's probably hard.
It's a one to zero count, I'm gonna gear I'm
gonna gear up for the fastball. And but the the
flip side of this in this this moment in particular,
was that Strom didn't execute. You know, the pitch wasn't good,
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so it wasn't even where, it didn't even hit the target.
So but but it probably helped the oscar to some
degree to kind of you know, go think ahead and
be like, this is probably a fastball.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
It's coming.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
I got to ask you this because social media blows up.
There's people from right field saying, oh see, he's got this,
he's got this signe see and he's taken this. He's
taking his phone camera all the way from right field
and seeing like, oh see, how obvious it is. How
much do you feel like, as somebody and I'm not
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saying this in any in any way defaming you, you
didn't play that. When you see something as demonstrative as
this or this, do you feel like it is actually
them having the sign? Or do you feel like teams
are now playing the cat and mouse game like look
at us, look at us.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Patrick Bailey admitted that earlier in this season. That's in
the piece from Anny McCully. He admitted that he was
just doing it to mess with the picture and now
the pictures like, what what do they got on me?
Oh my gosh, I'm in my head? And so yeah,
there's definitely some of that, and you know, I do
try to defer to people with play. That's why I
mentioned when the machines kind of kick something out. If
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I was part of that, you know, hitting group that said, hey,
the machine say he does this with his elbow or something,
I would bring it to the hitters, not like this
is a tip and you guys have to act on.
I'd be like, can you see this? Is this something
that's useful to you? And ask them and and and
give them the opportunity to decide for themselves rather than
sort of tell them. I remember there was a tip
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that was that somebody discovered on social media that they
were very sure about. It was Padre's picture, and I
forget what the tip was a better or so. It
was something about like his mouth before before he threw sliders,
and this person was very sure of it because he'd
shown that in these couple of days that like, you know,
he was he was he was doing this weird thing
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with his mouth before sliders. But then I was like, okay,
let me just look at a random game and use
this idea. And I couldn't replicate it in a random game.
So maybe one day he was doing this weird thing
with his mouth, but that doesn't mean he does it
every time. So yeah, I think that the social media
aspect is interesting. I mean it's really exploded on social media.
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It's like kind of the jamboification to some extent, where
like everyone's like, oh, I've got this figured out. You know,
he does he you know, he blows a bubble before
he throws every slider. You know, sometimes it's true and
sometimes it's not.
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Speaker 3 (07:48):
You knows.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Here's a couple of things on what you just said. One,
if a guy was tipping, you had to get it early, okay,
It had to be before he picks up his leg
before he goes. Yes, you can get tips off mouths.
There was a bunch of guys that tip. You'll hunt.
Santana tiped to his mouth for a while, so he
started chewing gum. He would do different things, so, yes,
that was a real thing. Tyler Clipper did that with
his mouth. I hit a home er off on one
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time because he would go on fastball, stick.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
His tongue out on change up. But you could see it.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
It was early, right, So those things matter. My question
is is okay? Patrick Bailey I know this, and I'm
not the old guy on my law and get off my.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Long guy at all.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I love the new age way to play. Well, why
doesn't anybody go out there?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And we've had this conversation on here before, Like Crawts
will tell you, if there was a guy we even
thought was given anything, Catcher would walk out.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
To the mountain.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
You act like you're picking up the rosenbag or talking
to your picture, and you're not even talking to your picture.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
You're talking to the guy at second base and you say, hey.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Look, I don't know if you're giving anything or not,
but if you move on the next pitch, the guy
at the plate is gonna get one, okay. And the
easiest way to do is you go out your picture
and say all right, I'm gonna call Slider and you
throw it up and in and you watch the hitters reaction.
He'll tell you if the guy's given him location. Right,
But how come it isn't police differently? You know, we
got guys out there waving their hand, even if they're
just messing with the picture, they're making it so obvious
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that it's like, how do we not police this better?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
As a sport?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, I think I came up with Jazz a little bit.
Jazz was was showing off a tip against the Braves
and he kind of was like flapping his arms at
second base, and you know, the Braves coaching staff let
him have it, and it became an issue after the game.
And so to some extent, I think, you know, that
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was some policing without having to hit Jazz, or at
least kind of making Jazz answer questions after the game
and kind of pointing out that he looked silly out there,
you know, flapping his arms around and stuff. But maybe
you know, Jazz hadn't planned it and he just spotted
a tip on the fly and he didn't know what
to do, so he just started flapping his arms, you know,
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like I wasn't there for you know, the pregame meeting.
I doubt they were like, Jazz, if you get a tip,
flap your up the arms that have been down like
an eagle.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So I can't answer that one for you, because you know,
I haven't been in those shoes. But sometimes it looks ridiculous,
and you know, with the PA has thing, you know,
for him to say afterwards, I wasn't tipping, and he
wasn't like giving pitch types like he probably was trying
to convey some sort of information or getting someone's head.
So I don't know that he was completely truthful in
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his comments afterwards either, But you know, nobody wants to
give it away an edge at this point this season, especially.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
For sure, and every pitch matters. So if you get
something for one pitch, that could be what swings a
series and you go home or you stay there. Let's
talk about pitches. Let's talk about what she wrote about
starting or different pitchers leaning on pitches that they normally
didn't lean on throughout this postseason.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, it's been pretty amazing. I looked it up even
show hire Tani.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Show here.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Tani in his start yesterday through more curveballs than he
had in any start ever except for one. So he
basically was like, hey, you guys, are your keyed in
on my splitter and my fastball? Here's the card ball.
Blake Snell threw more change ups than he ever had
in a start. As I pointed out, Uh, Schlitler went
to more sinkers. You know, there's also like they're changing
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over time. Schlitzler was throwing more sinkers late in the season,
so that might just been more comfortable with the sinker.
But Nick Povetto was going to with two strikes, was
going to the fastball almost twice as much as he
did during the regular season. Schoobl had a ninety two
on our slider, so he went heavy on that. Matt
Boyd in his first start in the wild card threw
more changeups than fastballs. He you know, he didn't do
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that all year. And it goes, you know, hand in
glove with another. You know, I love I love like
researching baseball because so many times old school stuff like
comes flips around and people accuse, Oh, the nerds just
figured out that, like having more pitch types is great.
I mean, yeah, okay, But what really happened was we
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went through all these different ways where we're like, oh, hey,
throw your best pitch most often. That's how you succeed,
you know, throw your fast one slider, Just throw those
most of the time if those are your best pitches.
But we've come back around now and the newest thing
in vogue is to throw lots of pitches. So pitches
have gone from pitchers have gone from throwing four uh
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pitches pitches on average starting pitches. We're throwing four pitch
types on average four years ago. Now it's five, and
that's I know that's only one pitch, but that's a
kind of a big deal to go for the average
that much. So now the average pitcher is throwing five
pitch types. And what you can do if you throw
five pitch types? You come to October and you say,
here's that one pitch that you guys didn't prepare for
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and I'm gonna throw the heck out of it.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I'm gonna throw a.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Ton of them and you're not gonna be ready for it.
So there's so much advanced scouting, there's so much thought
process going into so many meetings. So much of this
is like what do you do last time we saw them?
What do we do in the what do you do
in September? And if you can be like, oh, here's
this one thing I haven't done all year that I
saved for this moment, it seems to have worked really well,
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and I think it's it's it's almost a troll job.
Pitchers are trolling the opposite offense right now by using
a pitch that they don't usually use.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
A lot.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
You know, I covered Schooble last night out in Seattle,
and you mentioned he wasn't throwing his change up, but
that was on purpose because they the Mariners hit his
change up.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
So he tried to go away from it.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
He still got a ton of outs with it last night,
and he gave up a homeer on a slider, so
maybe he should have gone to the change up, but
that was on purpose, right, And he still punched out nine,
walked one, and gave up like four hits and obviously
the two homers. But some of this is game planning
and some of it is, Hey, what did the Mariners
hit Againstchooble in the past, and.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
They tried to go away from it.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
But I'm going to tell you this right now, Terrek
Scouogle's change up is the number one valued pitch in
all of baseball.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
You can't take that away. It's the best pitch in baseball.
You still got to throw it. I don't care what
this kind of reports.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
So yes, you might lessen it a little bit trying
to do other things, but at the end of the day,
he still got to go with the pitcher strings.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, that's a really interesting idea to talk about, because
even when you're talking about Nick Pavetta like flipping up
his fastball usage. So part of that was on curves
that move like pavettas the Cubs this year slugged seven
fifty and they saw the most pitches like that all
year in terms of movement and velocity. So yeah, to
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some extent, he didn't want to get stuck using the
curveball in any predictive way, you know, in any predictable way,
because then they would they would hit it well, and
they'd shown that, so that was part of flipping over
to the fastball. Now they've also hit the fastball well.
But and he didn't stop using the curveball. To your point,
like it's not you know, he can't. He can't get
through a game without using the curveball. So there is
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a tension between your strengths and the opponent's weaknesses. But
I just found it interesting that, like, you know, we
have these advanced scouting you know, plans where people are
like they're going to do this and this, and now
you know, there's being a big rise in self scouting.
So you know, I was first turned onto this where
a pitcher, a pitching coach was telling me every time
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my pitchers faced the Dodger, it seems like they're totally
ready for our pitching plan. And he's like, I think
that they're just really good at self scouting. So they say,
how would I get Freddy Freeman out if I was
the opposing team? And now I go to Freddy and
I say, they're likely to do X, Y and Z
because I looked at your numbers and I put together
game plan on how to get you out. And so
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Freddy can be like, and you can go to the
plate anticipating how they would get him out, So this
would be okay. Well, no one's advanced scouting my curveball, Shohatani.
They're thinking all about the slider and the splitter and
the fastball. So the curveball is a wrinkle that I
can bring into this game that they probably didn't do
a lot of scouting around all.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Right, last quick one here before September fourteenth, because Trey
Savage got called up on September fifteenth. Did anybody see
his stuff, his profile, his metrics as being as dominant
as he's shown, and if so, what heck did the
Jays not call him up before this?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know? I think that's almost I think this fits
into our what we're talking about here. I think they
didn't want anyone to see him. I think they didn't
want I think this was their surprise, and one of
the first surprises I remember, Like this is Francisco Rodriguez
in two thousand and two being added to the postseason
roster and just blowing up the league. Man he had
one of the best postseasons of all time, and nobody
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had seen him before, and it was electric, and nobody
had scouting reports. They hadn't stood in against him, and
it was obvious. So I think, to some extent, you
hide you Savage. The other part is, I mean the
stuff metrics always liked him. But what's interesting about your
Savage is it's so unique. I mean, he's a little
bit like Jonah Tong, He's a little bit like Jeremiah Strada.
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These are very over the top, sixty degree arm angle
guys with a lot of ride on their fastball. The
thing that may see a Savage different is he throws
a slider with armside movement. There are only four pitchers
in baseball who throw armside movement sliders like that. Dory
Moretta is one of them. It's not a list of pitchers,
you know. But that's the thing that separates him is
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first of all, it's extremely over the top, great ride,
good vlow, good command on the fastball, really good splitter.
And then there's just this weird slider you know, that's
like backup slider that doesn't look like anything else. So,
you know, I think he's just really strange. It's probably
really uncomfortable. Even if you went and sat in on
the traject I don't think that you get the full
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feeling of somebody that has an extreme arm angle like this.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
That's fallsy because you got to make the playoffs, got
to win the division, get the buye, do the whole thing.
So you want a guy up to win games. But hey,
now you got him, it's your secret weapon.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Go for it. You know.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
This was great man. Really appreciate the time. Again, they
did talk about you Savage on Rates and Barrels months back.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
That's how I found out about him.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
And you can dial into his articles in The Athletic,
including the one that we were talking about. A lot
to get to there. You know, thank you, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Thanks for having me.
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Think about this for a second, because their fun at
hell to watch, and the crowd is awesome, and they
have the craziest manager in the game, crazy like a fox, though,
and Pat Murphy says things, does things that are a
little bit off base, but his players get them, and
if you talk to him, he really knows baseball. Just
the way they play kind of an old school baseball.
And if you're into that, and you're into guys at
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bunt and guys that take first the third, and guys
that can cover ground defensively and good pitching, then the
Brewers are your team. And one through nine that there
are some of parts over over stars, but for me,
they're just a fun team to watch, and Murph and
the way he handles it, did you guys see Murph
the other day when they scored like nine in the
first two, they showed him in the dugout and he
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just had that little i hate to say this little
crap eat and grin where.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
He was just like the first time ever.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
You never see Murph smile during a game, but he
just had that little grin and then Craig councils over
in his dugout just stress. And so I just think
they're a fun team to watch, and Murph is great,
and you know, they got some gimmicks, but they make
them work.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
I'm gonna say to follow this team because your team
is not in the playoffs. Pirates, Reds, your teams are
not in the playoffs right now. Cardinals, your teams are
not in the playoffs. If you're a small market, you
need to follow this team. And this is the team
should choose because their organization, year in year out, puts
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a team out on the field that can win, and
then they get behind them as an organization and say, okay,
this is what you need, this is what you're good at,
and they get the most out of their players. They
don't make any more money than any of the other
small market teams. They're actually the smallest TV market in
baseball until Vegas comes into town. But that's the way
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that you can get on board with this team. You
can get on board with how each of these guys
were not necessarily the first pick by other teams. You
can get on board with the fact that they got
the DFA bullpen. I guess it's not as much this year,
but it's a bunch of guys that have been put
together and they figured out how to win. Oh and
they figured out how to win more than everybody else
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in Big League Baseball.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's a great call. You know who I'm thinking about
too in the mix here, Christian Yelich did sign one
of those big boy contract. So if you're a fan
of a small market team and you're like, my team
won't sign up my dude for a long period of
time because my owner's complaining, then you look over at
Milwaukee and you say, successful, they win games, attendance, because
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they win games enough money to sign a franchise player,
And that's Yelich coming over from another team.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
If you get somebody early on like Jackson Curio, who
already looks like a star player in our sport at
a very young age, then you can wrap them up
for a long period of time. I think the Brewers
make many other fan bases jealous. Aj they even make
big market owners very jealous. Why because then they turn
to their front office executives and say, how come they're
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doing that with this and you guys get all the
resources and you can't beat them.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
See David Stearns in the Mets at the present moment,
Steve going in to send out an apology letter after
they didn't make the postseason. By the way, it looks
like there's a lot of rooms buying me, it doesn't
it with all the doors and also, as Jeremy pointed out,
it is the best tailgate city in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I mean they get there.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Hours before the game and they have and if you
can just walk outside the stadium, you smell the brats
and everything grill burgers on the grill.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
It is a great smell. So they also do that right.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
And they have one of the best logos in the game.
And they have two mascots. They have Bernie Brewers Slide,
but barrel Man gets very underrated as a mascot. Let's
not forget barrel Man and what they do there.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
I want to hit on Yelich because I played with
him the year he won the MVP and then they
locked him up after that. As a small market organization,
you have to you can't miss on these types of signings.
You can't miss when spending two hundred million dollars on
one player. So to me, it's all about how that
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player is going to act when things are good and
when things are bad. And Christian Yelich couldn't be somebody
who is more every single day ready to prove that
this contract wasn't a fluke. It wasn't a fluke, wasn't
somebody something that he shouldn't have gotten. So when your
small market doesn't want to lock up a guy like
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Christian Yelich, you're really you're losing so much value for
the organization. Yelly almost feels bad that he got the contract.
He knows he's a good player, but he almost feels
bad that he's getting paid this much and he wants
to go out every single day and prove it. When
he was hurt, he was like, the worst part is
that I'm not out there with the boys. When he
wasn't playing well, he was like, you know what, it's okay.
(24:38):
I'll turn it around because I'm out there every single
day and they can see that I'm not one hundred percent,
but it means more to be out there every day
and playing with the boys. And now he's fully healthy
or as fully healthy as Christian Yelich needs to be.
And he's a freaking lynchpin of that lineup right now,
and they all kind of follow suit behind him, and
(25:02):
they all he's that leader. That's not that you know,
maybe outward leader that some people think, but in that clubhouse,
he sets that tone and he sets that environment.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I'll also give credit to the team for valuing their broadcasters.
They have some really good broadcast talent and they stick
around there clearly for a reason. Brian Anderson, Jeff Levering,
and the legend in a class of his own, Bob Buker,
who was a brilliant game caller, a brilliant ambassador of
our sport, funny as hell, and look, he spends a
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good chunk of his life calling Milwaukee Brewer games.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So there is a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I mean, if you haven't been to a game out there,
and I would definitely advise it's it's a really fun experience.
The people that you're around from a fan base perspective,
are special, so it makes sense. And it's not like
we're just you know, doing the Milwaukee Brewers kool aid
drinking session here right now. AJ We're going to do
this for some other teams as well. But I think
this is so the way to work at things.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Oh and they're easy to work with.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Mike Vasalo, their their PR guy is great, even though
he you know, he doesn't show up sometimes because he
had his appendix out, Like come on, Basalo be better
than that, right, But you forgot rock there. They're an
analysts who's there a lot. He's great to listen to.
There's just a lot of things that are good. Sophia
Menner and one of their other you know that that
translates for some of the Spanish Spanish players is awesome.
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The people just are really nice when you walk through
the ballparking plus, I mean, I mean there is I'm
not quite on the crats, you know, full bandwagon with
the Brewers, but I will say this, I've got to
go down the slide, We've got to run in the
sausage race. It's it's a pretty cool place, Milwaukee and
the town.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
It's sneaky good.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
If you know where you're going, it is sneaky good.
I was there last weekend and they were having october Fest.
And let's just say there might have been some some
old beers thrown down by me.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
They have a few of those out there in Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yep. They got a lot of fests. They got a
lot of fests in Milwaukee. Concerts.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
It's a sneaky great music scene too. Everybody goes to
Milwaukee to do their concert mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Sneaky sneaky good golf too, by the way, sneaky good.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Golf for a little longer and then and then no.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yeah, but I'm not there in the winner, so I
don't really care about this now.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, they don't have a great football team. I'm not
a big fan of their football team. But the rest
of it.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
If you like this segment, let us know in the comments,
and if you want us to bring up another team
in the postseason mix, then we can do that.
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