October 10, 2025 • 26 mins
Ken Rosenthal and Alanna Rizzo break down a wild finish in Los Angeles as the Dodgers advance to the NLCS after an 11th-inning walk-off over the Phillies. (Top of show)
(4:48) They discuss how the Phillies’ stars — Bryce Harper, Trea Turner, and Kyle Schwarber — struggled throughout the series while the Dodgers supporting cast stepped up when it mattered most.
(5:59) The hosts preview both upcoming Game 5 matchups: Tigers vs Mariners and Cubs vs Brewers.
(10:03) Grillin' Ken answers your questions, including if we've seen Clayton Kershaw pitch his last game, how the Yankees management moves past their ALDS defeat and if Dave Dombrowski's job is in jeopardy.
(20:00) The hosts also crown their Dudes and Dorks of the Week.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome to Fair Territory Division Series Edition. I'm Ken Rosenthal
here with Alana Rizzo on this Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's a Friday, that's right.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We're gonna talk about the conclusion to the Dodgers Phillies series,
which of course was one of the more dramatic things
you will ever see. We're gonna talk about the two
game fives ahead, and we're gonna talk about all kinds
of other things regarding the Division Series and baseball as well.
But the big story of the day, the big story
really of the Division Series so far, is the conclusion
of the Dodgers Phillies Game four last night. You all
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saw it by now, Orian Kirkering. The play at the plate,
it didn't happen two outs, he could have gone the first.
JT Realmuta was pointing at him to go to first,
and it was just one of the more shocking conclusions.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And also.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
One of the more difficult things to watch that you'll
ever see. And kirk Ring is a guy who's come
onto the scene. He's been really good. He panicked obviously
in that moment. I believe all of us have had
moments in our jobs when we've panicked, and I would
expect most people would have sympathy, even the harshest of.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Fans, for what he is going through right now.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You could see after the game, Alana, obviously he bent
over on the mound. He was sitting in the dugout
just staring at the field. Mat Gelbe the Athletic wrote
a terrific story today about how the Phillies gathered around
him in support because.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The players understand.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
The players understand that things happen on the field and
sometimes you can't account for them. And let's keep in
mind too, it's like an umpire's call. No one thing
decides a game.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
If the Phillies had scored earlier, if.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
They had not been one for seven with runners in
scoring position, if they had not squandered opportunities, of course
this game could have been.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
A lot different.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
So everyone has sympathy for Ryan Kirkering, and I want
to show you before we bring a lota in this
quote from Howie Rose, the legendary Mets announcer on Twitter,
he said, I don't care who you root for, but
if you can't find even an ounce of compassion for
Oriyan Kirkering, you are undoubtedly devoid of a soul. Alana,
I know, obviously from a Dodger standpoint, this was a
(02:20):
great outcome, but anybody who loves the sport could sympathize
with what happened last night with Ryan Kirkering.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Ken, you'd never want the load of what happened last
night to fall on one player. And let's be quite
honest here, the Philadelphia Phillies are not advancing to the CS,
not because of Oriyan Kirkering. If you take a look
Ken at the lack of offense and critical times, which
I know you're going to dive deeper into, That's why
the Phillies are not going to the CS. Has nothing
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to do with the mental gaff from Orian Kirkering. And
we'll talk about that a little bit more and how
I feel about that and what I hope Phillies fans
do in the future about this situation.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But can let's talk.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
About the lack of offense when it mattered the most
for the Phills.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
No, Alona, That's a great point.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And here is the key tweet from Jeff Curve CBS
last night, sums it all up. Turner, Schwarber and Harper
Turner the batting champion, Schwarber fifty plus home runs, Bryce Harper,
one of the postseason legends of our time. Their combined
stats right there, Game one one for eleven, Game two
one for ten, Game three seven for thirteen. Okay, that
was a good one. Game four one for fourteen. Now,
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in fairness to the Phillies, a lot of this had
to do with the brilliant Dodgers pitching, just as the
Dodgers struggles in this series had to do with the
brilliant Phillies pitching. The Dodgers hit one ninety nine in
this series, the Phillies hit two thirteen. So you can
only be so harsh because the pitching was so good.
But the problem for the Phillies, as you step back
now and take a broader look at this, this is
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the third straight year they've suffered a traumatic defeat. Actually
the fourth great year they've suffered a traumatic defeat. World
Series in twenty two, NLCS in twenty three, DS to
the Mets.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
In twenty four, and now this series to the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
J t ru Muto said that this wasn't as painful
as last year because they felt they lost to a
really good team. But now with real, Muto and Schwarber
free agents, with Rob Thompson in a bit of an
uncertain place as the manager. You just wonder what is
going to be with this franchise. That's how traumatic this
whole thing is going to be for them, Milana and Ken.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
You saw it last night when Kyle Schwarber was addressing
the media. He was clearly emotional. As you mentioned, he
and Jtrail Muto are entering a free agency period for them.
He'd love, I would imagine, to finish his career talking
about Schwarber as a Philly But you don't know what
it's what's going to happen. I realize it's very premature
to sit here and talk about it on October tenth,
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but there is a good possibility that we're not going
to see Schwarber in a Phillies uniform next year. And
I think these guys in that clubhouse in that dugout
realizing that their lockermates may not be the same guys
next year as their word today.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
And there's relation ships there.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
No question, and they want to resign Schwarburn real Muto,
Ranger Suarez another potential free agent. The expectation there is
they probably will lose him and they have more of
an ability to replace a Suarez with Andrew Painter coming
up and all of that. But sure there are questions
now that we're lingering the whole season and then have
lingered over this team. And there's been a lot of
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talking in recent days about the Yankees failures in the postseason. Well,
the Phillies have kind of had a similar run here
at least the last four years.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And what it underscores again.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Is how difficult it is to win the World Series
in an era where you have an expanded postseason, in
an era where money doesn't always buy you everything. Teams
are more competitive now, It's really hard. So we will
see where this all turns with the Phillies. But obviously
that was a very difficult loss for.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Them in so many ways.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So a lot of let's turn, I guess to game fives,
and let's start with the Cubs and the Brewers. Cubs
rallying from two games to none down, they now have
to go back to Milwaukee to win.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
With Cook, I tell you what, both home teams have
won their games Ken, So what does that mean is
that Milwaukee's turn in Game five?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You would think, but the pitching of both teams, Alanta
is kind of in shambles, So I don't know where
this is going. And for the Cubs, Imanaga is going
to have to play some kind of role. There's a
starter or following an opener, as he did in the
Padre series. He is the guy lined up to pitch,
usually prefers an extra day's rest. Won't get one here,
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and they have others in the bullpen, maybe in Aaron Savali,
maybe a Colin Ray who will have to step up
because they're in a funky place with their pen right now, even.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
With the days off here.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And then the Brewers are kind of in a similarly
difficult situation. The Miz is going to play a prominent
role as a bulk guy most likely in this game,
but they're gonna need contributions from others as well. And
for me, this is a coin flip. Whenever you get
to a game five, it's a total coin flip. Home
Field certainly helps the Brewers, and they play really well
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at Miller Park, but a lot of who knows what's
going to happen here?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You know, Ken It's crazy too, because if you think
about the other side of things. In the American League
Division Series, it's a game five for the Detroit Tigers
as well as the Seattle Mariners. AJ Hinch and the
Tigers oping that home cooking is not the thing going
on because they're going back, of course, to Seattle for
Game five. What's interesting to me, Ken is that you know,
Tarek Schouble is going to take the mound as he should.
(07:34):
But the Tigers have lost every Trek Schoolble start this
season against the Mariners. How much is that in their head?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I don't know if it's in their head. That is
one of those baseball things. Allot it to me that
is likely to reverse. It's one of these fluky things
that just occur.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Now, Trek Scooble isn't an interesting spot here, and I
wrote about this. Actually, I have an essay coming out
on the pregame show tonight about Trek Schooble and this
whole circumstance. So he is likely to be the back
to back American League Cy Young winner. We can pretty
confidently predict that in American League history, only Randy Johnson,
Pedro Martinez, and Roger Clements have won back to back
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Cy Young's. There are a few more who have done
it in the National League. So he's going to be
the fourth, and that.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Is quite an accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
But last year Game five against Cleveland, what happened. He
goes through four scoreless, then gives up the basis loaded
walk to Jose Ramirez and then the grand slam to
Lane Thomas. That was Game five last year. Here we
go with Game five this year, again on the road,
and all eyes are on him. He's going to be
the back to back cy young guy. And it wouldn't
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be fair to say Trek Scougele is some kind of
not clutch performer if he doesn't pitch well tonight, but
this is a big situation.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
He has a two point one to three ERA in
the postseason for his career. This is not a guy
who's performed poorly.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And in Game two he gave up to two homers
by Polanco solo shots, but otherwise was really good. So
it's a defining moment for him. It's a big moment
for the Tigers. And we're going to see too if
Seattle can finally get back to the ALCS with George
Kirby on the mound. They've had the magical run from Raleigh,
who has been great even in the postseason. I don't
(09:18):
know where this is going to go tonight. I don't
know that anyone does, but it's going to be really
interesting for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, whomever wins will face the Toronto Blue Jays and
can I believe that you are in Toronto now? But
win or lose, Tiger Territory is going to have it
all covered with the Athletics, Tiger Beat reporter Cody staven Hagen,
Kieran Steckley, former Tiger Austin Jackson. So make sure that
you tune into either a Game five win for those
guys or a post mortem of the Detroit Tigers.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It is time for Grill and Ken.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
We appreciate the opportunity for those of us that are
watching and listening to us here, whether it's on YouTube
or wherever you get your podcast, to ask Ken Rosenthal
a question.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So we're going to start with Neil.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
He has a question in regards to Clayton Kershaw, who
obviously did not have a good outing out of the
pen in Game three for the Los Angeles Dodgers. So
we'll go to this question here, and it is Ken,
has Kershaw pitched his last game? Do you think kersh
future Hall of Famer is on the Dodgers roster for
the CS.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Wow, great question. I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Probably it would depend someone on the health of Tanner Scott,
but actually Tamer Scott is out for the next serious
I should have mentioned.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
That I do expect to be on the roster. I
don't know what is the better option here.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
They still can have a spot for Kersh. No, he
didn't pitch well in that particular circumstance the other night,
but part of it was in going back out had
to do with Tanner Scott not being available. So it's
a fair question, Alta, But what do you think on
this one?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Well, I can't imagine a world ken And before let
me let me preface this conversation with everybody knows that
I am a Dodger fan, and everybody knows that I
am a Clayton apologist. But for a good reason, I will.
I will defend Clayton Kershaw to my dying breath. I
can't imagine a world in which Clayton Kershaw is not
on the postseason roster. That being said, I also think
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people look at it as he came out of the
bullpen and he didn't perform. Well, I look at it
differently at the time that Kirsh came out of the bullpen,
we did not realize that Tanner Scott had that lower
body incision abscess situation. Right, So, okay, maybe Kershaw was
kind of taken one for the team. Did he have
his best stuff? Absolutely not, But they were down Tanner Scott,
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so I give that a little bit more weight in
terms of perhaps that is the reason that he went
back out there for a second inning. I think Kirsh
is on the CS roster. Okay, another question here in
terms of the New York Yankees, can see Carrera has
this to say, what has the NYY management done wrong?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Wow? We could talk about this now.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I wrote my column yesterday about this whole situation, and
what I wrote was that based on the outcome of
this season and the series against Toronto, it does not
seem to me that alone is enough to have a
management change in New York, either with Brian Cashman.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
The general manager or Aaron Boone the manager.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I know a lot of Yankee fans hated that column
and hated that premise, And certainly you can make the
case that Boone now eight years in, cash twenty seven
years in, they have not won a World series.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Okay, you want.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
To make that case, that's fine. But this season, I
don't know that they did all that much wrong. I'll
start with Cashman. So Cashman pivots from Juan Soto after
they lose him to the New York Mets. They get free,
they get Goldman, they get Bellinger, they get Devin Williams.
Devin Williams didn't work out great, but he wasn't horrible either,
and the other three were pretty good. Then the deadline,
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he fortifies the bullpen, picks up some bench players. I
don't know that they did a lot wrong. They were
better defensively down the stretch, not great, but better.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
More athletic.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
They just got beat. And in this day and age,
a lot of people have a hard time accepting it
when their team just gets beat. They got beat by
a better team, and at some point it's on the
players too. Freedom Rodin pitched poorly, the offense really besides
Judge was not good. So I'll excuse Cashman on that.
And I don't even know how you can look at
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Boone and say this was his fault because they just
got again out played.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
They won ninety four games.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
They should have yes won the division, but they lost
the tiebreaker to the Blue Jays. They had that mid
season low that was brutal, but they came out of it.
They beat the Red Sox at some point. You've got
to look at this a little bit reasonably. Now, if
hal Steinbretter, the owner, said, you know what, I do
want to make a change.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I want to do something different. I get that.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Okay, then you got to find someone better than these two.
Now you might find a better manager easier than a
better general manager that Brian Cashman. Believe it or not,
but these jobs are not easy. So obviously I stand
by what I wrote, and I know a lot of
Yankee fans feel differently, and I totally respect that and
get it. But this idea that if season does not
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end the World Series title, it's a failure, it's ridiculous.
It's simply ridiculous. As I said before, Alana, it's really
hard to win a World Series, period.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And it just goes to show you, and I've said
this a thousand times. Money buys good players, Ken Rosenthal,
It does not buy wins, and it does not buy championships.
Now the New York Yankees are in can kun with
the New York Mets and the Boston Red Sox and
a number of other teams too. So it just goes
to show you money helps. It's not the end all
be all. Switching to the Phillies, who are now also
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on their way to can Kuhn Video Game Nation wants
to know. Do you think Dave Dombrowski is a threat
to be dismissed of President of Baseball Operations of the Phillies.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
And Bob Nightingale the USA Today wrote a long story
about Dobrowski and in their relationship the owner John Middleton,
and basically John Middleton wants Dombrowski to be the Pobo forever.
The real question is Rob Thompson, and it's not simple
a question of whether the Phillies want him back. It
might also be a question of whether he wants to
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be back. A manager goes through these things and it's difficult.
So I would expect when things settle down, he would
want to be back. But if you're the Phillies, maybe
you look at this and the successive playoff failures and
they've come earlier each year, and you say, okay, we
want to do something different. Dave Dombrowski could make that
decision that would not surprise me. But I honestly think
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Rob Thompson is a good manager for this team. And
the compassion he showed last night with Kirkerhan coming off
the field and in his news conference, those were the
hallmarks of a leader. So to me, Rob Thompson should
be back if he wants to be back, And the
question is going to be do the Phillies want him back?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
That's number one.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Kyle Schwarber can And what do you think his market is?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
He's a DH Obviously, fifty home runs this season, fifty
plus home runs this season. He is going to be
thirty three in March, which, as we know in baseball terminology,
might as well be one foot in the grave. But
what do you think is his market? What's his ceiling?
What's his market? Where do you see him?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I see him at four years getting a fourth year,
and I see him at thirty million plus, so four
years one to twenty minimum, and that's probably around where
he'll be, either with the Phillies or someone else. Now,
there are teams that could really use Kyle Schwarber, just
as there are things that could really use Pete Alonzo.
And they're not only the teams that they play for,
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so it could get interesting with both. In Alonzo's case,
he won't of a qualifying offer this year. I don't
believe Schwarber is eligible for one either. I can't remember
that exactly. But both those guys, because power is such
a premium right now and it's so difficult to find
hitters like this, they should do well.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Ken, where do you think a better fit would be
in terms of the Boston Red Sox as at a
DH first base, whatever, Pete Alonzo, Kyle Schwarber.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
That's a right left question, and they would have to
decide which do they prefer, the right handed hitter or
the left handed hitter. Most of their outfielders are left
handed hitters. I don't know that that figures into it.
It kind of depends on Reregman too. If they lose Gregman,
then you need a right handed hitter and you have story.
But really at that point you would need the right
handed thumper. So Alonso is in many ways a very
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good fit for the Red Sox, and that's going to
be a really interesting one because how badly do the
Mets want them, how badly do they want to mix
it up?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
After what happened to them this season.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
This offseason is going to be wild, as it always is,
and some of these questions Alana are going to be
really interesting to see play out.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
When you think about the Red Sox, I know the
Red Sox were eliminated in the wildcard round to the
New York Yankees, But when you think about the Red
Sox ten and they're pending free agents, who do you
think is more likely to opt out? Or in Bregman
story Giolito, When you look at those guys, who do
you think ops in?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Who you think ops out?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Regman is out. I don't even know there's any questions.
Is forty million a year but he's owed what two
years and eighty something like that. He'll beat that as
a free agent. He'll beat the total. He might not
beat the AAV but if he gets I don't know,
six times.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Thirty, he's pretty happy if that's the number.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
So he's opting out and the Red Sox will be
in there trying to keep him, because you've seen with
Alex Bregman, not only is it the performance on the field,
he makes everyone around him better. He's almost like another
coach in the dug out so Bregman is mensely vable
to the Red Sox and what they do. Gilido, I
would expect ops in, although starting pitching, maybe he chooses
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else to do something else, and Story I would say
ops in too, But I don't know. In stories case,
you may look at the shortstop market and say, you
know what, it's pretty thin Boba Schet. Most teams don't
look at him as a shorts up. Maybe Trevor Story says,
I will opt out and see what I can get
out there.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But at the same time, he's not coming off an
amazing year.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
He's coming off of in pre year, so it's going
to be an interesting decision for him.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, I think Boston is good for Story and I
think he likes it there. But I agree with you
on all of those counts in terms of who opts
in and out. It's always going to be fun in
the off season going in to next year. All right,
coming up, we're talking about our dude and dork of
the week.
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Speaker 2 (19:48):
Dude, Dude, dude.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
All right, Ken, who is your dude of the week
for this week?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Actually, Alana, I'm going to let you go first.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Oh, I get to go first. Okay, So my dude
of the week is Oriyan Kirkering. And I realized that
the play at the plate and throwing to the wrong
base was obviously a mental lapse. But for this young man,
who is only twenty four years old to go out
there and face the media and answer questions, you know,
if I can get on Justishom Junior for not talking
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to the media and turning his back. I want to
give props to this kid who very easily could have
been so embarrassed and so heartbroken that he didn't address that.
You can see him there holding back tears. It was
a very emotional moment. But I appreciate the fact that
he was candid and honest and raw and answered the questions.
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And I hope to God and Pedro Martinez said this
the best on TBS last night that do not allow
this talent to carry this load for the rest of
his career.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
And I agree.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Everyone's been there in this game, Ken, everyone's made a mistake.
We've done it our careers where we've all made mistakes
we wish we could take back. So Ryan Kirkering, this
does not define you. This is not who you are.
You are my dude of the week.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Great call, and I was waiting for you around him
because I wasn't sure where you were going to go exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
But I've got two. Roki Sasaki obviously has to be
the week. We didn't give him enough love in the
first segment.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That three inning performance last night was just brilliant, and
he's been brilliant the whole postseason and for coming back
from what he came back from, the injury and the
mental questions about him, all of the things, the transition
from Japan to the US as a twenty three year old.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
That is impressive.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
My other dude of the week, we haven't talked enough
about this guy either. Flat Junior I good. Yeah, he
had against the Yankees and it was kind of out
of nowhere because he didn't have a great September and
there were concerns the chets not behind him and all that,
but he was brilliant.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And the other night on Fox after the game the
Yankees lose, that was it was just hilarious.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Well that was so glad, glad, you and your Roki
sak both dudes of the week. Now, I want to
get into something right here, because Dave Roberts didn't he
say last night a lot of that Rokie Susaki's bullpen
performance was the greatest performance by a reliever ever, or
something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I did not hear that part, And I know you're
you have somebody else in mind who is a Ken.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
All right, all right, you're talking about one of the
great all time appearances out of the pen that I
can remember.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Dave, Let's go back to twenty fourteen. Now, I know
it's a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
At this point, Madison Wilmgarner closing out the World Series
with five less. I think that's a little bit better
than Listen Rosenthal.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
No Dodger fan or manager wants to remember twenty fourteen
in the San Francisco Giants. We just blocked that out completely.
I did have a text conversation with Dave Roberts this
morning about Roki Sasaki, and I talked to him about
what a transition, right, Remember back early on when Roki
Sasaki was in the dugout crying because of a bad performance.
It was almost as if he didn't understand, you know,
he'd not understand that's not fair. Didn't It's a difficult
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it's a difficult transition right from Japan to Major League Baseball.
And Dave was like, if you take that picture, like
we are right now side by side of Roki Sasaki
crying and then striking out J t rail Muto, what
is stark contrast? So, yes, Roki is the Dodgers closer.
I did not know that that team needed. Okay, who
is your doork of the week?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well, my doork of the week goes back to the
New York Yankees and the performance of their players, and
I'm going to give it to all of their hitters
besides Aaron Judge. Now I'm being a little unfare Toeram
McMahon and John Carlos Stanton, who were not horrible, but
the offense outside of Judge, granted, they faced great pitching,
particularly in the first two games. The starters Gossman and
Ya Savage and then the bullpen.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Game in Game four.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But come on, the Yankees are built on offense. They
had the highest scoring offense in the major leagues. Yes,
the most home runs as well, but they could score
in other ways and they simply did not produce. So
the Yankee the hitters other than Judge dorks of the week.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
All right, my dork of the week, I'm on a
preemptive strike here. Ken I'm not saying these people are
dorks yet, but let's make sure they don't become dorks.
Anybody that wants to give a Ryan Kirker in grief
or crap about what happened, do not do not do that.
I understand you can be upset about what had happened
in that situation, but let's not put the way to
the world on this young man who already feels horrific
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about what happened. Again, as Pedro Martinez said, do not
let his talent, this talent carry the load for the
rest of his career. He's a very good picture, a
very good talent, and he has good he has a
great career ahead. So let's be kind.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Alan.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I've got a prediction Opening day next year, Philadelphia standing
ovation for Ryan I hope so it helped me.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know, let's do it absolutely Mookie Betts when he
was you know, hitting a buck and they gave him
a standing way that helped you. By the way, extra
credit as far as due to the week, we should
have said this earlier to Nick Castellanos who absolutely bolted
in and from right field to comfort Ryan Kirkering on
the mound.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Imagine where imagine where.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Nick Castillanos was, obviously, and you saw him walking with
Kirkering into the dugout before Rob Thompson stopped him to
talk to Kirkering. Good on you, Nick Castillanos for holding
up one of your one of your teammates. I mean,
it's this is this is why we love this game.
But remember, guys, they're people before their players.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
No no doubt, and Nick did great things there and
really the entire clubhouse rallied around him last night because
as you said, Alan, and we'll maybe close it out
with this, the players understand, man, they understand better than anyone,
and they know how difficult the game is to play.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
All right, if you're watching on TV, thank you so
much for joining us. We appreciate you time. We have
a couple more minutes back here, and that's it. We're
back on Monday eight
Welcome to Fair Territory Division Series Edition. I'm Ken Rosenthal
here with Alana Rizzo on this Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's a Friday, that's right.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We're gonna talk about the conclusion to the Dodgers Phillies series,
which of course was one of the more dramatic things
you will ever see. We're gonna talk about the two
game fives ahead, and we're gonna talk about all kinds
of other things regarding the Division Series and baseball as well.
But the big story of the day, the big story
really of the Division Series so far, is the conclusion
of the Dodgers Phillies Game four last night. You all
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saw it by now, Orian Kirkering. The play at the plate,
it didn't happen two outs, he could have gone the first.
JT Realmuta was pointing at him to go to first,
and it was just one of the more shocking conclusions.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And also.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
One of the more difficult things to watch that you'll
ever see. And kirk Ring is a guy who's come
onto the scene. He's been really good. He panicked obviously
in that moment. I believe all of us have had
moments in our jobs when we've panicked, and I would
expect most people would have sympathy, even the harshest of.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Fans, for what he is going through right now.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You could see after the game, Alana, obviously he bent
over on the mound. He was sitting in the dugout
just staring at the field. Mat Gelbe the Athletic wrote
a terrific story today about how the Phillies gathered around
him in support because.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The players understand.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
The players understand that things happen on the field and
sometimes you can't account for them. And let's keep in
mind too, it's like an umpire's call. No one thing
decides a game.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
If the Phillies had scored earlier, if.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
They had not been one for seven with runners in
scoring position, if they had not squandered opportunities, of course
this game could have been.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
A lot different.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
So everyone has sympathy for Ryan Kirkering, and I want
to show you before we bring a lota in this
quote from Howie Rose, the legendary Mets announcer on Twitter,
he said, I don't care who you root for, but
if you can't find even an ounce of compassion for
Oriyan Kirkering, you are undoubtedly devoid of a soul. Alana,
I know, obviously from a Dodger standpoint, this was a
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great outcome, but anybody who loves the sport could sympathize
with what happened last night with Ryan Kirkering.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Ken, you'd never want the load of what happened last
night to fall on one player. And let's be quite
honest here, the Philadelphia Phillies are not advancing to the CS,
not because of Oriyan Kirkering. If you take a look
Ken at the lack of offense and critical times, which
I know you're going to dive deeper into, That's why
the Phillies are not going to the CS. Has nothing
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to do with the mental gaff from Orian Kirkering. And
we'll talk about that a little bit more and how
I feel about that and what I hope Phillies fans
do in the future about this situation.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But can let's talk.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
About the lack of offense when it mattered the most
for the Phills.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
No, Alona, That's a great point.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And here is the key tweet from Jeff Curve CBS
last night, sums it all up. Turner, Schwarber and Harper
Turner the batting champion, Schwarber fifty plus home runs, Bryce Harper,
one of the postseason legends of our time. Their combined
stats right there, Game one one for eleven, Game two
one for ten, Game three seven for thirteen. Okay, that
was a good one. Game four one for fourteen. Now,
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in fairness to the Phillies, a lot of this had
to do with the brilliant Dodgers pitching, just as the
Dodgers struggles in this series had to do with the
brilliant Phillies pitching. The Dodgers hit one ninety nine in
this series, the Phillies hit two thirteen. So you can
only be so harsh because the pitching was so good.
But the problem for the Phillies, as you step back
now and take a broader look at this, this is
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the third straight year they've suffered a traumatic defeat. Actually
the fourth great year they've suffered a traumatic defeat. World
Series in twenty two, NLCS in twenty three, DS to
the Mets.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
In twenty four, and now this series to the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
J t ru Muto said that this wasn't as painful
as last year because they felt they lost to a
really good team. But now with real, Muto and Schwarber
free agents, with Rob Thompson in a bit of an
uncertain place as the manager. You just wonder what is
going to be with this franchise. That's how traumatic this
whole thing is going to be for them, Milana and Ken.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
You saw it last night when Kyle Schwarber was addressing
the media. He was clearly emotional. As you mentioned, he
and Jtrail Muto are entering a free agency period for them.
He'd love, I would imagine, to finish his career talking
about Schwarber as a Philly But you don't know what
it's what's going to happen. I realize it's very premature
to sit here and talk about it on October tenth,
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but there is a good possibility that we're not going
to see Schwarber in a Phillies uniform next year. And
I think these guys in that clubhouse in that dugout
realizing that their lockermates may not be the same guys
next year as their word today.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
And there's relation ships there.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
No question, and they want to resign Schwarburn real Muto,
Ranger Suarez another potential free agent. The expectation there is
they probably will lose him and they have more of
an ability to replace a Suarez with Andrew Painter coming
up and all of that. But sure there are questions
now that we're lingering the whole season and then have
lingered over this team. And there's been a lot of
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talking in recent days about the Yankees failures in the postseason. Well,
the Phillies have kind of had a similar run here
at least the last four years.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And what it underscores again.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Is how difficult it is to win the World Series
in an era where you have an expanded postseason, in
an era where money doesn't always buy you everything. Teams
are more competitive now, It's really hard. So we will
see where this all turns with the Phillies. But obviously
that was a very difficult loss for.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Them in so many ways.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So a lot of let's turn, I guess to game fives,
and let's start with the Cubs and the Brewers. Cubs
rallying from two games to none down, they now have
to go back to Milwaukee to win.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
With Cook, I tell you what, both home teams have
won their games Ken, So what does that mean is
that Milwaukee's turn in Game five?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You would think, but the pitching of both teams, Alanta
is kind of in shambles, So I don't know where
this is going. And for the Cubs, Imanaga is going
to have to play some kind of role. There's a
starter or following an opener, as he did in the
Padre series. He is the guy lined up to pitch,
usually prefers an extra day's rest. Won't get one here,
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and they have others in the bullpen, maybe in Aaron Savali,
maybe a Colin Ray who will have to step up
because they're in a funky place with their pen right now, even.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
With the days off here.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And then the Brewers are kind of in a similarly
difficult situation. The Miz is going to play a prominent
role as a bulk guy most likely in this game,
but they're gonna need contributions from others as well. And
for me, this is a coin flip. Whenever you get
to a game five, it's a total coin flip. Home
Field certainly helps the Brewers, and they play really well
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at Miller Park, but a lot of who knows what's
going to happen here?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You know, Ken It's crazy too, because if you think
about the other side of things. In the American League
Division Series, it's a game five for the Detroit Tigers
as well as the Seattle Mariners. AJ Hinch and the
Tigers oping that home cooking is not the thing going
on because they're going back, of course, to Seattle for
Game five. What's interesting to me, Ken is that you know,
Tarek Schouble is going to take the mound as he should.
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But the Tigers have lost every Trek Schoolble start this
season against the Mariners. How much is that in their head?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I don't know if it's in their head. That is
one of those baseball things. Allot it to me that
is likely to reverse. It's one of these fluky things
that just occur.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Now, Trek Scooble isn't an interesting spot here, and I
wrote about this. Actually, I have an essay coming out
on the pregame show tonight about Trek Schooble and this
whole circumstance. So he is likely to be the back
to back American League Cy Young winner. We can pretty
confidently predict that in American League history, only Randy Johnson,
Pedro Martinez, and Roger Clements have won back to back
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Cy Young's. There are a few more who have done
it in the National League. So he's going to be
the fourth, and that.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Is quite an accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
But last year Game five against Cleveland, what happened. He
goes through four scoreless, then gives up the basis loaded
walk to Jose Ramirez and then the grand slam to
Lane Thomas. That was Game five last year. Here we
go with Game five this year, again on the road,
and all eyes are on him. He's going to be
the back to back cy young guy. And it wouldn't
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be fair to say Trek Scougele is some kind of
not clutch performer if he doesn't pitch well tonight, but
this is a big situation.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
He has a two point one to three ERA in
the postseason for his career. This is not a guy
who's performed poorly.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And in Game two he gave up to two homers
by Polanco solo shots, but otherwise was really good. So
it's a defining moment for him. It's a big moment
for the Tigers. And we're going to see too if
Seattle can finally get back to the ALCS with George
Kirby on the mound. They've had the magical run from Raleigh,
who has been great even in the postseason. I don't
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know where this is going to go tonight. I don't
know that anyone does, but it's going to be really
interesting for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, whomever wins will face the Toronto Blue Jays and
can I believe that you are in Toronto now? But
win or lose, Tiger Territory is going to have it
all covered with the Athletics, Tiger Beat reporter Cody staven Hagen,
Kieran Steckley, former Tiger Austin Jackson. So make sure that
you tune into either a Game five win for those
guys or a post mortem of the Detroit Tigers.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It is time for Grill and Ken.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
We appreciate the opportunity for those of us that are
watching and listening to us here, whether it's on YouTube
or wherever you get your podcast, to ask Ken Rosenthal
a question.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So we're going to start with Neil.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
He has a question in regards to Clayton Kershaw, who
obviously did not have a good outing out of the
pen in Game three for the Los Angeles Dodgers. So
we'll go to this question here, and it is Ken,
has Kershaw pitched his last game? Do you think kersh
future Hall of Famer is on the Dodgers roster for
the CS.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Wow, great question. I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Probably it would depend someone on the health of Tanner Scott,
but actually Tamer Scott is out for the next serious
I should have mentioned.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
That I do expect to be on the roster. I
don't know what is the better option here.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
They still can have a spot for Kersh. No, he
didn't pitch well in that particular circumstance the other night,
but part of it was in going back out had
to do with Tanner Scott not being available. So it's
a fair question, Alta, But what do you think on
this one?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Well, I can't imagine a world ken And before let
me let me preface this conversation with everybody knows that
I am a Dodger fan, and everybody knows that I
am a Clayton apologist. But for a good reason, I will.
I will defend Clayton Kershaw to my dying breath. I
can't imagine a world in which Clayton Kershaw is not
on the postseason roster. That being said, I also think
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people look at it as he came out of the
bullpen and he didn't perform. Well, I look at it
differently at the time that Kirsh came out of the bullpen,
we did not realize that Tanner Scott had that lower
body incision abscess situation. Right, So, okay, maybe Kershaw was
kind of taken one for the team. Did he have
his best stuff? Absolutely not, But they were down Tanner Scott,
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so I give that a little bit more weight in
terms of perhaps that is the reason that he went
back out there for a second inning. I think Kirsh
is on the CS roster. Okay, another question here in
terms of the New York Yankees, can see Carrera has
this to say, what has the NYY management done wrong?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Wow? We could talk about this now.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I wrote my column yesterday about this whole situation, and
what I wrote was that based on the outcome of
this season and the series against Toronto, it does not
seem to me that alone is enough to have a
management change in New York, either with Brian Cashman.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
The general manager or Aaron Boone the manager.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I know a lot of Yankee fans hated that column
and hated that premise, And certainly you can make the
case that Boone now eight years in, cash twenty seven
years in, they have not won a World series.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Okay, you want.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
To make that case, that's fine. But this season, I
don't know that they did all that much wrong. I'll
start with Cashman. So Cashman pivots from Juan Soto after
they lose him to the New York Mets. They get free,
they get Goldman, they get Bellinger, they get Devin Williams.
Devin Williams didn't work out great, but he wasn't horrible either,
and the other three were pretty good. Then the deadline,
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he fortifies the bullpen, picks up some bench players. I
don't know that they did a lot wrong. They were
better defensively down the stretch, not great, but better.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
More athletic.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
They just got beat. And in this day and age,
a lot of people have a hard time accepting it
when their team just gets beat. They got beat by
a better team, and at some point it's on the
players too. Freedom Rodin pitched poorly, the offense really besides
Judge was not good. So I'll excuse Cashman on that.
And I don't even know how you can look at
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Boone and say this was his fault because they just
got again out played.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
They won ninety four games.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
They should have yes won the division, but they lost
the tiebreaker to the Blue Jays. They had that mid
season low that was brutal, but they came out of it.
They beat the Red Sox at some point. You've got
to look at this a little bit reasonably. Now, if
hal Steinbretter, the owner, said, you know what, I do
want to make a change.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I want to do something different. I get that.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Okay, then you got to find someone better than these two.
Now you might find a better manager easier than a
better general manager that Brian Cashman. Believe it or not,
but these jobs are not easy. So obviously I stand
by what I wrote, and I know a lot of
Yankee fans feel differently, and I totally respect that and
get it. But this idea that if season does not
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end the World Series title, it's a failure, it's ridiculous.
It's simply ridiculous. As I said before, Alana, it's really
hard to win a World Series, period.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And it just goes to show you, and I've said
this a thousand times. Money buys good players, Ken Rosenthal,
It does not buy wins, and it does not buy championships.
Now the New York Yankees are in can kun with
the New York Mets and the Boston Red Sox and
a number of other teams too. So it just goes
to show you money helps. It's not the end all
be all. Switching to the Phillies, who are now also
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on their way to can Kuhn Video Game Nation wants
to know. Do you think Dave Dombrowski is a threat
to be dismissed of President of Baseball Operations of the Phillies.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
And Bob Nightingale the USA Today wrote a long story
about Dobrowski and in their relationship the owner John Middleton,
and basically John Middleton wants Dombrowski to be the Pobo forever.
The real question is Rob Thompson, and it's not simple
a question of whether the Phillies want him back. It
might also be a question of whether he wants to
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be back. A manager goes through these things and it's difficult.
So I would expect when things settle down, he would
want to be back. But if you're the Phillies, maybe
you look at this and the successive playoff failures and
they've come earlier each year, and you say, okay, we
want to do something different. Dave Dombrowski could make that
decision that would not surprise me. But I honestly think
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Rob Thompson is a good manager for this team. And
the compassion he showed last night with Kirkerhan coming off
the field and in his news conference, those were the
hallmarks of a leader. So to me, Rob Thompson should
be back if he wants to be back, And the
question is going to be do the Phillies want him back?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
That's number one.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Kyle Schwarber can And what do you think his market is?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
He's a DH Obviously, fifty home runs this season, fifty
plus home runs this season. He is going to be
thirty three in March, which, as we know in baseball terminology,
might as well be one foot in the grave. But
what do you think is his market? What's his ceiling?
What's his market? Where do you see him?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I see him at four years getting a fourth year,
and I see him at thirty million plus, so four
years one to twenty minimum, and that's probably around where
he'll be, either with the Phillies or someone else. Now,
there are teams that could really use Kyle Schwarber, just
as there are things that could really use Pete Alonzo.
And they're not only the teams that they play for,
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so it could get interesting with both. In Alonzo's case,
he won't of a qualifying offer this year. I don't
believe Schwarber is eligible for one either. I can't remember
that exactly. But both those guys, because power is such
a premium right now and it's so difficult to find
hitters like this, they should do well.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Ken, where do you think a better fit would be
in terms of the Boston Red Sox as at a
DH first base, whatever, Pete Alonzo, Kyle Schwarber.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
That's a right left question, and they would have to
decide which do they prefer, the right handed hitter or
the left handed hitter. Most of their outfielders are left
handed hitters. I don't know that that figures into it.
It kind of depends on Reregman too. If they lose Gregman,
then you need a right handed hitter and you have story.
But really at that point you would need the right
handed thumper. So Alonso is in many ways a very
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good fit for the Red Sox, and that's going to
be a really interesting one because how badly do the
Mets want them, how badly do they want to mix
it up?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
After what happened to them this season.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
This offseason is going to be wild, as it always is,
and some of these questions Alana are going to be
really interesting to see play out.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
When you think about the Red Sox, I know the
Red Sox were eliminated in the wildcard round to the
New York Yankees, But when you think about the Red
Sox ten and they're pending free agents, who do you
think is more likely to opt out? Or in Bregman
story Giolito, When you look at those guys, who do
you think ops in?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Who you think ops out?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Regman is out. I don't even know there's any questions.
Is forty million a year but he's owed what two
years and eighty something like that. He'll beat that as
a free agent. He'll beat the total. He might not
beat the AAV but if he gets I don't know,
six times.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Thirty, he's pretty happy if that's the number.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
So he's opting out and the Red Sox will be
in there trying to keep him, because you've seen with
Alex Bregman, not only is it the performance on the field,
he makes everyone around him better. He's almost like another
coach in the dug out so Bregman is mensely vable
to the Red Sox and what they do. Gilido, I
would expect ops in, although starting pitching, maybe he chooses
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else to do something else, and Story I would say
ops in too, But I don't know. In stories case,
you may look at the shortstop market and say, you
know what, it's pretty thin Boba Schet. Most teams don't
look at him as a shorts up. Maybe Trevor Story says,
I will opt out and see what I can get
out there.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But at the same time, he's not coming off an
amazing year.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
He's coming off of in pre year, so it's going
to be an interesting decision for him.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, I think Boston is good for Story and I
think he likes it there. But I agree with you
on all of those counts in terms of who opts
in and out. It's always going to be fun in
the off season going in to next year. All right,
coming up, we're talking about our dude and dork of
the week.
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Speaker 2 (19:48):
Dude, Dude, dude.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
All right, Ken, who is your dude of the week
for this week?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Actually, Alana, I'm going to let you go first.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Oh, I get to go first. Okay, So my dude
of the week is Oriyan Kirkering. And I realized that
the play at the plate and throwing to the wrong
base was obviously a mental lapse. But for this young man,
who is only twenty four years old to go out
there and face the media and answer questions, you know,
if I can get on Justishom Junior for not talking
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to the media and turning his back. I want to
give props to this kid who very easily could have
been so embarrassed and so heartbroken that he didn't address that.
You can see him there holding back tears. It was
a very emotional moment. But I appreciate the fact that
he was candid and honest and raw and answered the questions.
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And I hope to God and Pedro Martinez said this
the best on TBS last night that do not allow
this talent to carry this load for the rest of
his career.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
And I agree.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Everyone's been there in this game, Ken, everyone's made a mistake.
We've done it our careers where we've all made mistakes
we wish we could take back. So Ryan Kirkering, this
does not define you. This is not who you are.
You are my dude of the week.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Great call, and I was waiting for you around him
because I wasn't sure where you were going to go exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
But I've got two. Roki Sasaki obviously has to be
the week. We didn't give him enough love in the
first segment.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That three inning performance last night was just brilliant, and
he's been brilliant the whole postseason and for coming back
from what he came back from, the injury and the
mental questions about him, all of the things, the transition
from Japan to the US as a twenty three year old.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
That is impressive.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
My other dude of the week, we haven't talked enough
about this guy either. Flat Junior I good. Yeah, he
had against the Yankees and it was kind of out
of nowhere because he didn't have a great September and
there were concerns the chets not behind him and all that,
but he was brilliant.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And the other night on Fox after the game the
Yankees lose, that was it was just hilarious.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Well that was so glad, glad, you and your Roki
sak both dudes of the week. Now, I want to
get into something right here, because Dave Roberts didn't he
say last night a lot of that Rokie Susaki's bullpen
performance was the greatest performance by a reliever ever, or
something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I did not hear that part, And I know you're
you have somebody else in mind who is a Ken.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
All right, all right, you're talking about one of the
great all time appearances out of the pen that I
can remember.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Dave, Let's go back to twenty fourteen. Now, I know
it's a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
At this point, Madison Wilmgarner closing out the World Series
with five less. I think that's a little bit better
than Listen Rosenthal.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
No Dodger fan or manager wants to remember twenty fourteen
in the San Francisco Giants. We just blocked that out completely.
I did have a text conversation with Dave Roberts this
morning about Roki Sasaki, and I talked to him about
what a transition, right, Remember back early on when Roki
Sasaki was in the dugout crying because of a bad performance.
It was almost as if he didn't understand, you know,
he'd not understand that's not fair. Didn't It's a difficult
(23:07):
it's a difficult transition right from Japan to Major League Baseball.
And Dave was like, if you take that picture, like
we are right now side by side of Roki Sasaki
crying and then striking out J t rail Muto, what
is stark contrast? So, yes, Roki is the Dodgers closer.
I did not know that that team needed. Okay, who
is your doork of the week?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well, my doork of the week goes back to the
New York Yankees and the performance of their players, and
I'm going to give it to all of their hitters
besides Aaron Judge. Now I'm being a little unfare Toeram
McMahon and John Carlos Stanton, who were not horrible, but
the offense outside of Judge, granted, they faced great pitching,
particularly in the first two games. The starters Gossman and
Ya Savage and then the bullpen.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Game in Game four.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But come on, the Yankees are built on offense. They
had the highest scoring offense in the major leagues. Yes,
the most home runs as well, but they could score
in other ways and they simply did not produce. So
the Yankee the hitters other than Judge dorks of the week.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
All right, my dork of the week, I'm on a
preemptive strike here. Ken I'm not saying these people are
dorks yet, but let's make sure they don't become dorks.
Anybody that wants to give a Ryan Kirker in grief
or crap about what happened, do not do not do that.
I understand you can be upset about what had happened
in that situation, but let's not put the way to
the world on this young man who already feels horrific
(24:25):
about what happened. Again, as Pedro Martinez said, do not
let his talent, this talent carry the load for the
rest of his career. He's a very good picture, a
very good talent, and he has good he has a
great career ahead. So let's be kind.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Alan.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I've got a prediction Opening day next year, Philadelphia standing
ovation for Ryan I hope so it helped me.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know, let's do it absolutely Mookie Betts when he
was you know, hitting a buck and they gave him
a standing way that helped you. By the way, extra
credit as far as due to the week, we should
have said this earlier to Nick Castellanos who absolutely bolted
in and from right field to comfort Ryan Kirkering on
the mound.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Imagine where imagine where.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Nick Castillanos was, obviously, and you saw him walking with
Kirkering into the dugout before Rob Thompson stopped him to
talk to Kirkering. Good on you, Nick Castillanos for holding
up one of your one of your teammates. I mean,
it's this is this is why we love this game.
But remember, guys, they're people before their players.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
No no doubt, and Nick did great things there and
really the entire clubhouse rallied around him last night because
as you said, Alan, and we'll maybe close it out
with this, the players understand, man, they understand better than anyone,
and they know how difficult the game is to play.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
All right, if you're watching on TV, thank you so
much for joining us. We appreciate you time. We have
a couple more minutes back here, and that's it. We're
back on Monday eight
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