October 13, 2025 • 25 mins
Does Seattle have the best team in baseball? We instantly react to their ALCS Game 2 victory in Toronto. As they head back home, how well-positioned are the M’s for their first World Series appearance in franchise history?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
FT Live instant reaction postgame show presented by Fox One.
We have Aeric Kratz and Kevin Plaramscott Braun KP are
more recent former Big leaguer and former Blue Jay watching
this team and doing some analysis for Blue Jay's TV
and not seeing the same team from the Division series.
(00:27):
We want to give a ton of praise to the
Mariners for going through a marathon game five in the
DS and now going up to oh against the Toronto
Blue Jays heading back to Seattle. KP, what are you
seeing in this series after this one was a drubbing.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I think it's more about the Mariners are doing than
the Blue Jays are doing. I think they're staying consistent
with their game plan and what they've always done. I
think this is just a team that everyone kind of
always feared if they got the hitting, the match to
pitching at the pitching match to hitting. This is always
a team people feared if the Mariners were able to
get to the playoffs. This is a type of team
people thought they could be.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, Kratz, go what do you got for me?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Man? Ten to three?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Mariners beat up the Blue Jays. Trey Savage did not
look like the dude who went five and change hitless
against the Yankees eleven strikeouts that last time around. Splitter
wasn't the same. Did you see, like, let's start there,
did you see a Tray Savage that didn't have his
(01:38):
best stuff? Did you see a Mariners team that has
a superhuman named or Hey? Polanco obviously wasn't the only
one to contribute to the ten runs, but he's unstoppable
right now. They're gonna have to figure out how to
circle his name in the lineup card going forward.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
What do you got? I mean?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I would say Tray Savage maybe was a little bit
ran into a little bit of bad luck, not getting
on two guys that he struck out. But I think
it's because the Mariners took the opposite approach that the
Yankees took. The Yankees were like, we're swinging, We're gonna
do damage. You say he's unhittable, We're gonna hit Oh shoot,
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we struck out eleven times. The Mariners were like, if
it's so unhittable, if we can't hit it, then we
might as well not swing until we see some more pitches.
Take the Julio Rodriguez at bat, he went splitter strike,
splitter strike, didn't even offer at it, and then he
was like, you know what, We'll go back to another one,
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and he just ended up being a slow fastball middle
middle of the plate. I think it was eighty eight
or eighty nine, and so I think the approach was
definitely a team approach. They just kind of waited him
out and Doug Eddings wasn't calling very many borderline pitches
and so it didn't go his way. And I think
a lot of things could have swayed a little bit maybe,
(03:01):
And I think the biggest thing would have been maybe
Trey Savage stays in the game and has an opportunity
to get himself out of those jams instead of instead
of the three run homer that Louis Varlin gave up.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, Trays or sorry, Trey.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Doug Eddings was quite bad this evening, rolling bos strikes.
It's not just the misses for me, it's the timeliness
of the missus KP. I mean, Doug's been around for
a long time, but what did you see there?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, we we were touching on this in the earlier
show today about umpires. I just think that they're finally
held to like a really high standard and they're expected
to lock it in. I mean, a lot of these
umpires are unplaying games that only people in their local
market are watching. Now this is national TV. We're down
to the final four. There's an over compensation that these
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umpires have to make because the whole world's watching, and
they tend to err on the side of small because
they've been so big all year, and it tends to
kind of people tend to make a bigger deal about
the pitches that are outside the strike zone that are
cult strikes as opposed to these borderline pitches or pitches
that just clip the strike zone cult ball. So I
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think we're just seeing a huge over conversation from a
group of umpires that don't really have to fully lock
it in every single day during the year, and now
they're held to this higher standard because the whole world's watching.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
And pushing forward Kratz.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The Blue Jays are in trouble, the Mariners are forced
right now, they're riding momentum. They're up two to zero
heading back home, and then you light up the starting
staff at home, which we already know about as George
Kirby Game three, matching up against Shane Bieber. Game four
will be Luis Castillo. Game five might be Brian wu
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if he's feeling up to it. And depending on where
the series is at, we might not even have a
Game five, And if we have to flip back, then
we'll do that and the starters will be in a
better place. We'd get to logan Gilbert coming off short
rest on having his best stuff. But going forward for
a moment here, how in control are the Mariners. It's
hard to see them suddenly falling in what four out
(05:13):
of the next what.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Does it have to be here? Four out of the
next six or for the next five?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Five?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Right, for the next five.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
It's hard to see that happening from Seattle, given the
starting pitching staff that they've had that we've talked about
for years, given the bullpen in a really good place.
Not to mention, they barely used any of the big boys.
What three or I think three out of the four
big boys weren't used in this game too because it
was a blowout. And the offense, it's just hard to
see the offense not having some nights where some homers
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get bashed, some hit, clutch hits come through. Okay, maybe
you could see the offense quieting a little bit, but
I don't know. It's just hard to see this team
suddenly falling apart here.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I mean, I think the game is the game from
here on out. We're not going to have ten three
games most likely. The reason we have those early is
because I think managers kind of stay like, Okay, I'm
gonna stay with this guy a little bit longer. As
the series goes on, We're gonna have three two games,
We're gonna have four four, three games. We're gonna have
close games because everyone's just gonna blow out their bullpen.
(06:16):
Everyone's going to just use these guys and to me,
one run games at home. The Mariners are even if
the series was tied, they would swing to the Mariners
favor because they're playing the next three at home in Seattle.
Seattle has never been to the World Series. The fans
are gonna be rabid, and I think the team. While
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I would have never said this coming into the series,
this team is playing better than the Blue Jays. They
proved it in the first two games. I would I
would have said nobody's playing playing better than the Blue
than the Blue Jays right now, or the Dodgers. We'll
see what happens in the other series. But it shows
you that you come in riding the momentum of a
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tough series, which in my opinion, shouldn't have been a
to with the Tigers, and then you come out and
you prove that you're you're dominating your opponent. They're dominating
the Blue Jays right now at their home blue Jays
were fifty four and twenty seven at home. You know
the team that had the second best home record in
the American League, Seattle Mariners, and everybody said it. We
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talked to Brent Rooker. I talked to Brent Rooker when
I went to Kansas City earlier this year, and he goes,
do this this bullpen, Oh my gosh, this bullpen's ridiculous.
And that's if you get past their starters. For the Mariners,
they're just a suffocating rotation to bullpen. That Isn't that
what you need for the postseason? Isn't that what KP said,
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That's what we've said for the last two years. Don't
let this team get in. Now you see the Astros.
Let this team get in, and they're two to oh
in the American League Championship. Series.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, and this was the game that Toronto had to have.
KP you had it lined up. I mean, I get it.
You gave up a home run early if you're Toronto
and Trey Savage, but they caught back up.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
They tied the game early.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
By the bottom of the second inning, we're tied right
with Toronto doing their thing.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Logan Gilbert did not have his best stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with anything Kratz is saying,
especially the Mariners are just playing better than the Blue Jays.
But I think this series just has funkiness written all
over it. I think everyone would have thought Blue Jay's
at home, you know, having the rest, not having to
come off that emotional series that the Mariners did, going
deep in the game, having their bullpen in shambles, They're
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pitching in shambles. It just seemed like it was destiny
that the Blue Jays would win the first two games
at home. They had their Ace and Kevin Gosman. Then
they had Trey Savage, who didn't give up a hit
in his first playoff game. The Mariner's going to beat them.
Now we fly across country, we go to the West Coast,
we go to Seattle, the team that has the second
best home record in the American League. Their pitching plans
are perfectly in line, their bullpen is rested. This just
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feels weird to me. This just feels like there's gonna
be a series where if you try to predict that
what's gonna happen, if you're betting on the favorites to win,
it just feels weird. And I think the Blue Jays
are not down and out. This is coming from experience
someone that was down two oh in a seven game
series in an ALCS. You go in and you win
the first game, you obviously try to win that second game,
(09:23):
but if you just can figure out a way to
get that series back home, you gotta love getting back home.
So they just got to figure out a way to
win two. They don't have to win all three. I
would feel confident in them coming back three to two,
down three two, back home to Toronto in front of
the best home crowd in baseball, and I mean, from there,
anything can happen. But I don't think they're out. I
(09:45):
just think there's something weird going on this series where
if you try to predict what's gonna happen, the opposite's
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Okay, So we're gonna take a quickie break. It's quick,
and then we'll swing back. We'll look at how the
starting pitching lines up on the Blue Jays side. Will
also highlight how the Mariners offense got the job done tonight,
easily showing off their power.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Be right back, KP.
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Speaker 3 (11:11):
All right, we're back.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
We talked about how Seattle is lined up really nicely
the next few games with their starting staff, which for
years has been, if not the best top two or
three in baseball.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Right KP.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
On the Blue Jays side, Shane Bieber was the big
hired gun acquired at the trade deadline. Was okay, right
against the Yankees you need him, and then probably a
Max Scherzer start in Game four. Before you start thinking
about what's next. What do you think of these next
couple games coming up?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I mean, I like the Mariners guys better, but I
would have said that about the Blue Jays guys in
the first two games too. I would have liked Kevin
Gosman and Trey Savage. So I don't know what's going
on in the series. It feels weird, but I do
know Shane Bieber has been in this situation before, where
he's been in big games. He's pitching the postseason. He
didn't pitch terribly in New York. He just you know,
(12:07):
he got kind of dinked and dunked a little bit.
His command wasn't the best. It wasn't the sharpest stuff
he had. But what I do know because I watched
it in New York, he's gonna be on a short leash,
especially down two oh, so he's gonna have to show
that he can be very dominant early if he wants
to pitch deep into this game.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Maybe the Mariners are also huffing, puffing crats because they
beat Scooble twice.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I mean, they won Scooble games twice.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Now they head home four times. It's almost like it's
almost like they go, Okay, well what is your best
pitch or who is your best pitcher? And they're like, well,
we'll get up for this game. Well we'll figure out
how to do this. Like they're a train right now.
And Shane Bieber has the ability to do well. I
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just I never, you know, I feel like the Yankees
see bebe really well. So maybe that's not a good barometer,
but he's pitching well. Has he pitched dominantly since his
first outing? Since his first outing with the Jays, has
he been dominant and to me, if he's gonna give
them length because of the hook quick hook, because of
the off day, because of the fact that they're down
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too to oh, he's he's got to almost dominate the
first five six innings for John Schneider to say, Okay,
I'm gonna get ninety pitches out of you. I'm gonna
get eighty five pitches out of you. Because he's gone
to that quick hook keeping his team in the game
and it hasn't worked out so far.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And the weakness for Toronto is their bullpen KP and
it's letting them down so far.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, I mean, they don't have except for you know,
maybe a couple guys in the back end. They don't
have like a ton of swing of miss guys that
you can bring in. And you know, you need to
have guys in the bullpen that have swing a miss
because there's gonna be situations in the game you need
to get strikeouts. And the Blue Jays don't just have
those guys in the bullpen. They are really good when
they can get to a lead, and they cant kind
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of mix and match their bullpen and matchup. But when
you're asking those guys to have to cover, you know,
thirteen fifteen, seventeen outs. It gets a little thin, you know,
and that's where the Mariners, you know, like Brett Rooker said,
and I experienced when I was with the Angels, there
was always this big talk about the Mariners starting pitching,
you know, for obvious reasons. On any given day, they're
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rolling out, you know, a one or two starter legit
starting pitching. But the bullpen was always nasty. You know.
You started that back end with munos and then you
go to even you know, the last guy in their bullpen,
they all have swinging miss stuff, and it's it's it's suffocating,
like Brett Berger said, it's very suffocating. No matter who
comes out of that bullpen, it's stuff. It might not
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be the best pitch ability, but it's stuff. And at
the end of the day, stuff plays.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
So the game was decided in the fifth inning, right
you savage pitching.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Vilo is down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You get an infield single and a bad throat from
Jimenez and then they intentionally walk cal Raley and they
bring in Louis Arland. He strikes out Julio Rodriguez. I
think that pitch was center cut fastball and then and
that's okay. I mean, Louis Arland throws hard. But here's
my question for UKP. I don't know if you've faced him,
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but you certainly have faced many guys that look like
Louis Arland in terms of stuff out of the bullpen.
Where Hey, Polanco, you know, hits a three run home
run on a fastball that caught the middle of the plate.
Are you seeing too much of that from Loui who's
giving up some big home runs. You look at him
and you're like, on the outside, this looks really good.
This guy's pumping heat. He can strike guys out, but
he's also giving up big hits, including big homers.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I mean, that would be a better question for Kratz.
I mean, he he's the catcher, he's got the better view.
But my question to Krats he would be you have
the big arm and the big stuff, but at the
end of the day, flyball pitcher, right, that's a situation
where you maybe when you have first and second economically,
you're trying to get a sinker baller in there, someone
that used really hard to get the ball in the air.
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You try to get those two outs on one swing
and then you just do what you got to do
to get the last guy out. But bringing in a
fly ball pitcher who also has some swinging miss stuff
is kind of a risky play right there. I don't
know what Kratz thinks. You know, as a catcher, you
know you have some confidence when you know this guy's
got like a sinker that's hard to get in the air.
You feel like you can get two outs on one
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swing of the bat. Kind of lowers the temperature in
the room. You know, runner at third base with two
outs feels a whole lot different in it inning.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
To me. Besides, besides Hoffman, Louis Varland's the guy you're
going to. So we're talking about this because what Scott said,
that was the game he comes in, slams the door.
That game might swing in the mariners favor, but he didn't,
and he has given up some big homers. To me,
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they are it seems like hitters are not surprised when
he starts that splitter and it runs way off the
plate like they're not even it's not even like a
like a close take, and they're on his one hundred
miles an hour now. Obviously one of his home runs
was against Judge, which was ridiculous that he hit that.
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But for me, Louis Varlan's he's getting there's he's getting
a lot of contact out front for one hundred miles
an hour. You need to get some guys that are
that are taking the opposite field, like taking you out,
because you're going elevated up in a way and they're
taking you out. To me, he's the he's either showing
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them something, he's tipping something, or he's not moving their
feet enough. And he has to do that because if
this series goes past five games, however many games it goes,
Louis Arland's gonna be in there. John Schneider is proven,
he is not going down without Louis Arland pitching. Jeff
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Hoffman didn't pitch. He's your closer. Louis Arlan's what I
would call your secondary closer in the situation in the lane,
he's the guy. He is the guy they want Julio
to face. He's the guy they want to turn Jorge
Polanco around. And it didn't happen again tonight. And when
you're in those spots, you're gonna have to set a precedent.
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The next time you come in to me. If he
backs Jorgey Polanco off the plate, I think he's cooked.
I think jorgees cooked because he can't lean out over
that fastball was kind of it wasn't middle middle, it
was a little middle away, and you can't let guys
get that much extension on you. One hundred mile an
hour heater.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, it also looks like Mike Cratsy's saying, a guy,
those one hundred miles an hour guys are just cheating
to the fastball. I mean, they're not respecting his secondary pitches.
Maybe he's got to come in and almost pitch backwards
a little bit to try to get the guys off
the fastball. And you know, knowing the both hitting coaches
that are in Seattle, I had them in Atlanta, and
you know they're they're good at preaching that those little
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fine details of you know, hunt the pitch that you
feel like you can do damage on, kind of eliminate
the other pitches. He hasn't really shown the ability to,
you know, land the secondary pitches or throw them consistently
throughout the bat. He might show you that get me
over one early, but is he going to go to
it again and again. Ultimately, he wants to get back
to the heater, and I respect him for it because
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if I had a triple digit heater too, I'd want
to show it off too. But also to krats point,
you know, when guys are getting out in front and
leaning out over the plate, you got to move their feet.
You got to show them something. Get get up a
little high and tight, you know, move their feet a
little bit, make it a little bit less comfortable, because
facing one hundred miles an hour should never be comfortable.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
And he's pitched in every game so far in the
playoffs for Toronto, six games. Yeah, they're going to keep
throwing them out there. I mean, hindsight blah blah blah.
But if you're a Toronto fan right now, you're like,
damn it, I wish we went the extra mile and
got ourselves the Duran somebody else, even if they got
to Ireland right like, they could use another high leverage
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guy right now.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah, I mean everybody.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Anthony demingis too. They got Sir Anthony down there too,
and you know he's typically their eighth inning guy, you know.
To Cratzy's point, louis just kind of I think the
team knew what they were getting. I don't think baseball
really knew much about Louis Arlin. You know, he was
kind of hitting an organization that you know, maybe you
hadn't seen him pitch a lot. You know, when I
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saw the move, I'm like, oh, does that really move
the needle? And then you watch him pitch, and the
guy is legit. You know, he's earned the right to
kind of be this fireman. You know when at the
highest leverage of the game, whether that's in the fourth inning,
the eighth inning, somewhere in between, then you're going to
Louis Arlin and to your point, yeah, he's giving up
some home runs. You know, you could kind of even
eliminate the one to judge that was just a ridiculous
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That was judge just being judged. He did give up
the homer to Jazz, you know where it was kind
of a fastball that kind of leaked over the plate.
But you know, I think both of our points about
having to move the guy's feet make him feel a
little bit more uncomfortable, but also being able to kind
of maybe pitch backwards for a little bit, trust the
secondary stuff to at least steal a strike. Maybe a
second strike and then try to elevate the heater up
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out of the zone. Try to speed people up a
little bit, because people don't look like they're sped up
on his fastball right now.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Meanwhile, on the Seattle side, Bizarto is a huge factor
for them.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Now, and you're just a guy that you can add
to the circle of trust. So it's it's a special
group here going for Seattle. I mean Bizardo, obviously, Muno
Sprash like They've got some big boys that are getting
the job done. Also, I mean some guys you go
through hot stretches, cold stretches, and that happens to hit
at the right or wrong time. And right now in
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the postseason, Seattle's got it going with their So let's
do final thoughts here, KP.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
The Blue Jays come back.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
If I think the Blue Jays come back, if they
take a recipe out of their book from the first
series and score early, score first, score early, try to
silence the crowd and Seattle it's going to be a
very rowdy crowd. But what people who haven't played for
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the Blue Jays don't understand and maybe have an experience
Seattle for a long time was considered Toronto West coast,
you get a lot of that influx of people from
the West coast to Canada come down. So that's something
I'm going to be interested in seeing because there was
days I went there for batting practice and there might
be twenty thousand Blue Jay fans there watching practice. It
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was maybe their only opportunity to watch their beloved Blue
Jays come remotely close to them on the West Coast,
and they would come down. How Seattle kind of trait
maybe is try to counteract that with ticket sales, maybe
not selling tickets across the border to be seen. But
I think the Blue Jays have to score in that
first inning like they've done, like they did in the
Yankees series. Silence the crowd, get a couple shut down innings,
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get that kind of momentum back, get that confidence back,
and I think they'll be Finekratz.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I'll go the other way unless you've got something strong
on Toronto. The Mariners sweep.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
If he keep doing what they're doing, the Mariners sweep
if the blue Jays bats don't wake back up. Really,
I mean, I think that's how the Blue Jays got
to where they were. They gave him a lot of runs.
Everybody remembers Game three when John Schneider just orchestrated this beautiful,
beautiful nine pitchers, nine innings type of game. But the
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reality is the Blue Jays got where they were because
they were banging. They were hitting dingers, they were getting
on base. Blue Jays don't hit, they get swept.
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We have Aeric Kratz and Kevin Plaramscott Braun KP are
more recent former Big leaguer and former Blue Jay watching
this team and doing some analysis for Blue Jay's TV
and not seeing the same team from the Division series.
(00:27):
We want to give a ton of praise to the
Mariners for going through a marathon game five in the
DS and now going up to oh against the Toronto
Blue Jays heading back to Seattle. KP, what are you
seeing in this series after this one was a drubbing.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I think it's more about the Mariners are doing than
the Blue Jays are doing. I think they're staying consistent
with their game plan and what they've always done. I
think this is just a team that everyone kind of
always feared if they got the hitting, the match to
pitching at the pitching match to hitting. This is always
a team people feared if the Mariners were able to
get to the playoffs. This is a type of team
people thought they could be.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, Kratz, go what do you got for me?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Man? Ten to three?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Mariners beat up the Blue Jays. Trey Savage did not
look like the dude who went five and change hitless
against the Yankees eleven strikeouts that last time around. Splitter
wasn't the same. Did you see, like, let's start there,
did you see a Tray Savage that didn't have his
(01:38):
best stuff? Did you see a Mariners team that has
a superhuman named or Hey? Polanco obviously wasn't the only
one to contribute to the ten runs, but he's unstoppable
right now. They're gonna have to figure out how to
circle his name in the lineup card going forward.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
What do you got? I mean?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I would say Tray Savage maybe was a little bit
ran into a little bit of bad luck, not getting
on two guys that he struck out. But I think
it's because the Mariners took the opposite approach that the
Yankees took. The Yankees were like, we're swinging, We're gonna
do damage. You say he's unhittable, We're gonna hit Oh shoot,
(02:15):
we struck out eleven times. The Mariners were like, if
it's so unhittable, if we can't hit it, then we
might as well not swing until we see some more pitches.
Take the Julio Rodriguez at bat, he went splitter strike,
splitter strike, didn't even offer at it, and then he
was like, you know what, We'll go back to another one,
(02:38):
and he just ended up being a slow fastball middle
middle of the plate. I think it was eighty eight
or eighty nine, and so I think the approach was
definitely a team approach. They just kind of waited him
out and Doug Eddings wasn't calling very many borderline pitches
and so it didn't go his way. And I think
a lot of things could have swayed a little bit maybe,
(03:01):
And I think the biggest thing would have been maybe
Trey Savage stays in the game and has an opportunity
to get himself out of those jams instead of instead
of the three run homer that Louis Varlin gave up.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, Trays or sorry, Trey.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Doug Eddings was quite bad this evening, rolling bos strikes.
It's not just the misses for me, it's the timeliness
of the missus KP. I mean, Doug's been around for
a long time, but what did you see there?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, we we were touching on this in the earlier
show today about umpires. I just think that they're finally
held to like a really high standard and they're expected
to lock it in. I mean, a lot of these
umpires are unplaying games that only people in their local
market are watching. Now this is national TV. We're down
to the final four. There's an over compensation that these
(03:53):
umpires have to make because the whole world's watching, and
they tend to err on the side of small because
they've been so big all year, and it tends to
kind of people tend to make a bigger deal about
the pitches that are outside the strike zone that are
cult strikes as opposed to these borderline pitches or pitches
that just clip the strike zone cult ball. So I
(04:13):
think we're just seeing a huge over conversation from a
group of umpires that don't really have to fully lock
it in every single day during the year, and now
they're held to this higher standard because the whole world's watching.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
And pushing forward Kratz.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The Blue Jays are in trouble, the Mariners are forced
right now, they're riding momentum. They're up two to zero
heading back home, and then you light up the starting
staff at home, which we already know about as George
Kirby Game three, matching up against Shane Bieber. Game four
will be Luis Castillo. Game five might be Brian wu
(04:52):
if he's feeling up to it. And depending on where
the series is at, we might not even have a
Game five, And if we have to flip back, then
we'll do that and the starters will be in a
better place. We'd get to logan Gilbert coming off short
rest on having his best stuff. But going forward for
a moment here, how in control are the Mariners. It's
hard to see them suddenly falling in what four out
(05:13):
of the next what.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Does it have to be here? Four out of the
next six or for the next five?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Five?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Right, for the next five.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
It's hard to see that happening from Seattle, given the
starting pitching staff that they've had that we've talked about
for years, given the bullpen in a really good place.
Not to mention, they barely used any of the big boys.
What three or I think three out of the four
big boys weren't used in this game too because it
was a blowout. And the offense, it's just hard to
see the offense not having some nights where some homers
(05:42):
get bashed, some hit, clutch hits come through. Okay, maybe
you could see the offense quieting a little bit, but
I don't know. It's just hard to see this team
suddenly falling apart here.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I mean, I think the game is the game from
here on out. We're not going to have ten three
games most likely. The reason we have those early is
because I think managers kind of stay like, Okay, I'm
gonna stay with this guy a little bit longer. As
the series goes on, We're gonna have three two games,
We're gonna have four four, three games. We're gonna have
close games because everyone's just gonna blow out their bullpen.
(06:16):
Everyone's going to just use these guys and to me,
one run games at home. The Mariners are even if
the series was tied, they would swing to the Mariners
favor because they're playing the next three at home in Seattle.
Seattle has never been to the World Series. The fans
are gonna be rabid, and I think the team. While
(06:37):
I would have never said this coming into the series,
this team is playing better than the Blue Jays. They
proved it in the first two games. I would I
would have said nobody's playing playing better than the Blue
than the Blue Jays right now, or the Dodgers. We'll
see what happens in the other series. But it shows
you that you come in riding the momentum of a
(06:57):
tough series, which in my opinion, shouldn't have been a
to with the Tigers, and then you come out and
you prove that you're you're dominating your opponent. They're dominating
the Blue Jays right now at their home blue Jays
were fifty four and twenty seven at home. You know
the team that had the second best home record in
the American League, Seattle Mariners, and everybody said it. We
(07:21):
talked to Brent Rooker. I talked to Brent Rooker when
I went to Kansas City earlier this year, and he goes,
do this this bullpen, Oh my gosh, this bullpen's ridiculous.
And that's if you get past their starters. For the Mariners,
they're just a suffocating rotation to bullpen. That Isn't that
what you need for the postseason? Isn't that what KP said,
(07:43):
That's what we've said for the last two years. Don't
let this team get in. Now you see the Astros.
Let this team get in, and they're two to oh
in the American League Championship. Series.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, and this was the game that Toronto had to have.
KP you had it lined up. I mean, I get it.
You gave up a home run early if you're Toronto
and Trey Savage, but they caught back up.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
They tied the game early.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
By the bottom of the second inning, we're tied right
with Toronto doing their thing.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Logan Gilbert did not have his best stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with anything Kratz is saying,
especially the Mariners are just playing better than the Blue Jays.
But I think this series just has funkiness written all
over it. I think everyone would have thought Blue Jay's
at home, you know, having the rest, not having to
come off that emotional series that the Mariners did, going
deep in the game, having their bullpen in shambles, They're
(08:38):
pitching in shambles. It just seemed like it was destiny
that the Blue Jays would win the first two games
at home. They had their Ace and Kevin Gosman. Then
they had Trey Savage, who didn't give up a hit
in his first playoff game. The Mariner's going to beat them.
Now we fly across country, we go to the West Coast,
we go to Seattle, the team that has the second
best home record in the American League. Their pitching plans
are perfectly in line, their bullpen is rested. This just
(09:01):
feels weird to me. This just feels like there's gonna
be a series where if you try to predict that
what's gonna happen, if you're betting on the favorites to win,
it just feels weird. And I think the Blue Jays
are not down and out. This is coming from experience
someone that was down two oh in a seven game
series in an ALCS. You go in and you win
the first game, you obviously try to win that second game,
(09:23):
but if you just can figure out a way to
get that series back home, you gotta love getting back home.
So they just got to figure out a way to
win two. They don't have to win all three. I
would feel confident in them coming back three to two,
down three two, back home to Toronto in front of
the best home crowd in baseball, and I mean, from there,
anything can happen. But I don't think they're out. I
(09:45):
just think there's something weird going on this series where
if you try to predict what's gonna happen, the opposite's
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Okay, So we're gonna take a quickie break. It's quick,
and then we'll swing back. We'll look at how the
starting pitching lines up on the Blue Jays side. Will
also highlight how the Mariners offense got the job done tonight,
easily showing off their power.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Be right back, KP.
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Speaker 3 (11:11):
All right, we're back.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
We talked about how Seattle is lined up really nicely
the next few games with their starting staff, which for
years has been, if not the best top two or
three in baseball.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Right KP.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
On the Blue Jays side, Shane Bieber was the big
hired gun acquired at the trade deadline. Was okay, right
against the Yankees you need him, and then probably a
Max Scherzer start in Game four. Before you start thinking
about what's next. What do you think of these next
couple games coming up?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I mean, I like the Mariners guys better, but I
would have said that about the Blue Jays guys in
the first two games too. I would have liked Kevin
Gosman and Trey Savage. So I don't know what's going
on in the series. It feels weird, but I do
know Shane Bieber has been in this situation before, where
he's been in big games. He's pitching the postseason. He
didn't pitch terribly in New York. He just you know,
(12:07):
he got kind of dinked and dunked a little bit.
His command wasn't the best. It wasn't the sharpest stuff
he had. But what I do know because I watched
it in New York, he's gonna be on a short leash,
especially down two oh, so he's gonna have to show
that he can be very dominant early if he wants
to pitch deep into this game.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Maybe the Mariners are also huffing, puffing crats because they
beat Scooble twice.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I mean, they won Scooble games twice.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Now they head home four times. It's almost like it's
almost like they go, Okay, well what is your best
pitch or who is your best pitcher? And they're like, well,
we'll get up for this game. Well we'll figure out
how to do this. Like they're a train right now.
And Shane Bieber has the ability to do well. I
(12:56):
just I never, you know, I feel like the Yankees
see bebe really well. So maybe that's not a good barometer,
but he's pitching well. Has he pitched dominantly since his
first outing? Since his first outing with the Jays, has
he been dominant and to me, if he's gonna give
them length because of the hook quick hook, because of
the off day, because of the fact that they're down
(13:18):
too to oh, he's he's got to almost dominate the
first five six innings for John Schneider to say, Okay,
I'm gonna get ninety pitches out of you. I'm gonna
get eighty five pitches out of you. Because he's gone
to that quick hook keeping his team in the game
and it hasn't worked out so far.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And the weakness for Toronto is their bullpen KP and
it's letting them down so far.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, I mean, they don't have except for you know,
maybe a couple guys in the back end. They don't
have like a ton of swing of miss guys that
you can bring in. And you know, you need to
have guys in the bullpen that have swing a miss
because there's gonna be situations in the game you need
to get strikeouts. And the Blue Jays don't just have
those guys in the bullpen. They are really good when
they can get to a lead, and they cant kind
(14:07):
of mix and match their bullpen and matchup. But when
you're asking those guys to have to cover, you know,
thirteen fifteen, seventeen outs. It gets a little thin, you know,
and that's where the Mariners, you know, like Brett Rooker said,
and I experienced when I was with the Angels, there
was always this big talk about the Mariners starting pitching,
you know, for obvious reasons. On any given day, they're
(14:29):
rolling out, you know, a one or two starter legit
starting pitching. But the bullpen was always nasty. You know.
You started that back end with munos and then you
go to even you know, the last guy in their bullpen,
they all have swinging miss stuff, and it's it's it's suffocating,
like Brett Berger said, it's very suffocating. No matter who
comes out of that bullpen, it's stuff. It might not
(14:51):
be the best pitch ability, but it's stuff. And at
the end of the day, stuff plays.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
So the game was decided in the fifth inning, right
you savage pitching.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Vilo is down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You get an infield single and a bad throat from
Jimenez and then they intentionally walk cal Raley and they
bring in Louis Arland. He strikes out Julio Rodriguez. I
think that pitch was center cut fastball and then and
that's okay. I mean, Louis Arland throws hard. But here's
my question for UKP. I don't know if you've faced him,
(15:25):
but you certainly have faced many guys that look like
Louis Arland in terms of stuff out of the bullpen.
Where Hey, Polanco, you know, hits a three run home
run on a fastball that caught the middle of the plate.
Are you seeing too much of that from Loui who's
giving up some big home runs. You look at him
and you're like, on the outside, this looks really good.
This guy's pumping heat. He can strike guys out, but
he's also giving up big hits, including big homers.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I mean, that would be a better question for Kratz.
I mean, he he's the catcher, he's got the better view.
But my question to Krats he would be you have
the big arm and the big stuff, but at the
end of the day, flyball pitcher, right, that's a situation
where you maybe when you have first and second economically,
you're trying to get a sinker baller in there, someone
that used really hard to get the ball in the air.
(16:11):
You try to get those two outs on one swing
and then you just do what you got to do
to get the last guy out. But bringing in a
fly ball pitcher who also has some swinging miss stuff
is kind of a risky play right there. I don't
know what Kratz thinks. You know, as a catcher, you
know you have some confidence when you know this guy's
got like a sinker that's hard to get in the air.
You feel like you can get two outs on one
(16:33):
swing of the bat. Kind of lowers the temperature in
the room. You know, runner at third base with two
outs feels a whole lot different in it inning.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
To me. Besides, besides Hoffman, Louis Varland's the guy you're
going to. So we're talking about this because what Scott said,
that was the game he comes in, slams the door.
That game might swing in the mariners favor, but he didn't,
and he has given up some big homers. To me,
(17:03):
they are it seems like hitters are not surprised when
he starts that splitter and it runs way off the
plate like they're not even it's not even like a
like a close take, and they're on his one hundred
miles an hour now. Obviously one of his home runs
was against Judge, which was ridiculous that he hit that.
(17:26):
But for me, Louis Varlan's he's getting there's he's getting
a lot of contact out front for one hundred miles
an hour. You need to get some guys that are
that are taking the opposite field, like taking you out,
because you're going elevated up in a way and they're
taking you out. To me, he's the he's either showing
(17:46):
them something, he's tipping something, or he's not moving their
feet enough. And he has to do that because if
this series goes past five games, however many games it goes,
Louis Arland's gonna be in there. John Schneider is proven,
he is not going down without Louis Arland pitching. Jeff
(18:06):
Hoffman didn't pitch. He's your closer. Louis Arlan's what I
would call your secondary closer in the situation in the lane,
he's the guy. He is the guy they want Julio
to face. He's the guy they want to turn Jorge
Polanco around. And it didn't happen again tonight. And when
you're in those spots, you're gonna have to set a precedent.
(18:28):
The next time you come in to me. If he
backs Jorgey Polanco off the plate, I think he's cooked.
I think jorgees cooked because he can't lean out over
that fastball was kind of it wasn't middle middle, it
was a little middle away, and you can't let guys
get that much extension on you. One hundred mile an
hour heater.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, it also looks like Mike Cratsy's saying, a guy,
those one hundred miles an hour guys are just cheating
to the fastball. I mean, they're not respecting his secondary pitches.
Maybe he's got to come in and almost pitch backwards
a little bit to try to get the guys off
the fastball. And you know, knowing the both hitting coaches
that are in Seattle, I had them in Atlanta, and
you know they're they're good at preaching that those little
(19:09):
fine details of you know, hunt the pitch that you
feel like you can do damage on, kind of eliminate
the other pitches. He hasn't really shown the ability to,
you know, land the secondary pitches or throw them consistently
throughout the bat. He might show you that get me
over one early, but is he going to go to
it again and again. Ultimately, he wants to get back
to the heater, and I respect him for it because
(19:31):
if I had a triple digit heater too, I'd want
to show it off too. But also to krats point,
you know, when guys are getting out in front and
leaning out over the plate, you got to move their feet.
You got to show them something. Get get up a
little high and tight, you know, move their feet a
little bit, make it a little bit less comfortable, because
facing one hundred miles an hour should never be comfortable.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
And he's pitched in every game so far in the
playoffs for Toronto, six games. Yeah, they're going to keep
throwing them out there. I mean, hindsight blah blah blah.
But if you're a Toronto fan right now, you're like,
damn it, I wish we went the extra mile and
got ourselves the Duran somebody else, even if they got
to Ireland right like, they could use another high leverage
(20:15):
guy right now.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah, I mean everybody.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Anthony demingis too. They got Sir Anthony down there too,
and you know he's typically their eighth inning guy, you know.
To Cratzy's point, louis just kind of I think the
team knew what they were getting. I don't think baseball
really knew much about Louis Arlin. You know, he was
kind of hitting an organization that you know, maybe you
hadn't seen him pitch a lot. You know, when I
(20:40):
saw the move, I'm like, oh, does that really move
the needle? And then you watch him pitch, and the
guy is legit. You know, he's earned the right to
kind of be this fireman. You know when at the
highest leverage of the game, whether that's in the fourth inning,
the eighth inning, somewhere in between, then you're going to
Louis Arlin and to your point, yeah, he's giving up
some home runs. You know, you could kind of even
eliminate the one to judge that was just a ridiculous
(21:01):
That was judge just being judged. He did give up
the homer to Jazz, you know where it was kind
of a fastball that kind of leaked over the plate.
But you know, I think both of our points about
having to move the guy's feet make him feel a
little bit more uncomfortable, but also being able to kind
of maybe pitch backwards for a little bit, trust the
secondary stuff to at least steal a strike. Maybe a
second strike and then try to elevate the heater up
(21:23):
out of the zone. Try to speed people up a
little bit, because people don't look like they're sped up
on his fastball right now.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Meanwhile, on the Seattle side, Bizarto is a huge factor
for them.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Now, and you're just a guy that you can add
to the circle of trust. So it's it's a special
group here going for Seattle. I mean Bizardo, obviously, Muno
Sprash like They've got some big boys that are getting
the job done. Also, I mean some guys you go
through hot stretches, cold stretches, and that happens to hit
at the right or wrong time. And right now in
(21:57):
the postseason, Seattle's got it going with their So let's
do final thoughts here, KP.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
The Blue Jays come back.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
If I think the Blue Jays come back, if they
take a recipe out of their book from the first
series and score early, score first, score early, try to
silence the crowd and Seattle it's going to be a
very rowdy crowd. But what people who haven't played for
(22:28):
the Blue Jays don't understand and maybe have an experience
Seattle for a long time was considered Toronto West coast,
you get a lot of that influx of people from
the West coast to Canada come down. So that's something
I'm going to be interested in seeing because there was
days I went there for batting practice and there might
be twenty thousand Blue Jay fans there watching practice. It
(22:48):
was maybe their only opportunity to watch their beloved Blue
Jays come remotely close to them on the West Coast,
and they would come down. How Seattle kind of trait
maybe is try to counteract that with ticket sales, maybe
not selling tickets across the border to be seen. But
I think the Blue Jays have to score in that
first inning like they've done, like they did in the
Yankees series. Silence the crowd, get a couple shut down innings,
(23:13):
get that kind of momentum back, get that confidence back,
and I think they'll be Finekratz.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I'll go the other way unless you've got something strong
on Toronto. The Mariners sweep.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
If he keep doing what they're doing, the Mariners sweep
if the blue Jays bats don't wake back up. Really,
I mean, I think that's how the Blue Jays got
to where they were. They gave him a lot of runs.
Everybody remembers Game three when John Schneider just orchestrated this beautiful,
beautiful nine pitchers, nine innings type of game. But the
(23:48):
reality is the Blue Jays got where they were because
they were banging. They were hitting dingers, they were getting
on base. Blue Jays don't hit, they get swept.
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