October 8, 2025 • 22 mins
Trevor May and Scott Braun deliver instant thoughts on the Tigers busting open in Game 4 with a big offensive performance to force a do-or-die Game 5 in the ALDS. After looking at how the Tigers cracked the code on offense, we shift to the next matchup in Seattle and how the Mariners should set their pitching plan against Tarik Skubal.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's the Ft Live postgame show presented by the Fox
one app. It's brand new, check it out. Scottie Brown
along with Trevor May we are recapping Game four, the
Tigers took down the Mariners. We will have a Game
five winner take all back in Seattle Place. Is gonna
be nuts. But first we're going to talk about what
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we just saw. Trevor, Good morning to the Detroit Tigers offense.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, we were just talking about it before the game,
that they needed to get it going. Hadn't scored more
than five runs more than once in the playoffs. This
counts nine unanswered after falling behind three nothing to the gate.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Was the bottom of the fifth this thing started. I
went downhill, downhill quick for the old Mariners.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Thiks Yeah, fifth and sixth thing. The Tigers just went nuts.
And I will give credit to a number of players
that I'll be Isley stepped up, but one that really
comes to mind was their best most productive bat this year.
Riley Green was feeling the heat. He's still a very
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young player, not super battle tested yet left on left
crime against a guy who had been really good and
had been in for those kind of spots inspire right,
and gave Spire who hung a slider and that's the
first Detroit home run we had seen since Carry Carpenter
in Game one of this series. Over one hundred at bats.
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That was the go ahead shot and ended up being
the difference maker. They scored a bunch more than in
need any more. Four hundred and fifty four feet from
Riley Green a big welcome back. And for me, Trevor,
this is a guy who's got the big uppercut swing.
He can be super streaky at times. But if he's
doing that for another couple weeks, the Tigers might all
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of a sudden change everything. I mean, sure they might
lose in Game five in Seattle, but if not, if
Riley Green becomes a big power hitter again like he
was for most of this season, thirty some on homers,
this is much scarier Detroit lineup.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
He was my you know, Detroit Tiger's MVP going into
this year. They needed him to be to take another
step forward and be the you know, big bat in
middle lineup for all intensive purposes.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
He did.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You know, one hundred eleven RBIs on the ear. That's
not nothing, you know, and he's got the high strikeout right,
we know, you know, he was leading the league for
most of the year before unfortunately the young guy out
in the Nationals Park took his took his belt. But
I mean it kind of comes with the territory. He's
got a steep swing. He struggles a little bit with
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the ball up at times, but he's making adjustments and
he's taking advantage of the balls he can't hit, especially
from a left east gates fire has trouble keeping the
ball out of the middle of the plate at all.
Today everything was kind of just leaking back over no
matter what he threw.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It's one of those days for him.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So but Roley Green is he's going to be the
game changer when he's hitting well, when he strings a
couple of hits together or has a big hit somewhere
in the game. That is what has happened to get
them their wins. So it was going to turn on
his bat and no difference today, you know, And you know,
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I think Zach McKinstry kind of just jumped right on
the badwagon and swung it pretty well too.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
If everyone did. I mean, the floodgates kind of opened
after that point.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
It's a good little nugget from Jason Stark, who's always
full of them. One home run against lefties this year
to give the Tigers a lead for Riley Green July thirteenth,
off Gabe Spire.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Wow. Yeah, so it's like he hadn't been in that
spot before.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Oh wait, he had that exact spot, not in this
kind of environment, but just a few months ago, I think.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And I don't want to insert myself in here in
any meaningful way, but gave Spire only gave up like
for five or six home runs of the year, and
I'm pretty sure I was either watching a TV or
watching live or four of them.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So I'm sorry, Gabe.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I'm pretty sure I saw the Riley Green one, and
I believe it was in Seattle, and I might have been.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
There for that too.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So that's you know, I won't watch anymore. I'll turn
it off when you come in the game, and let's
make sure that that's not part of it.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
How about that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And you know what, as a reliever man, giving up
a homer to the same guy twice in a year,
it's like not, it's rare, it's pretty like, especially if
you're not in their division.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Right, So yeah, this is right.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Every time that guy comes into the plate. Now, for
the rest of his spier's career, gonna just remember this
a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And broadcasters will bring it up almost every time. It'll
be the note right. If you ever see that matchup,
they'll go. Let me take you back to October eighth
of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Other notable parts of the Tigers offense. First off, here
Jami Jones. His job is to hit left handed pitching.
His ops is star level against left handed pitching. First
pitch rips an RBI double offspire that made this a
three to two contest. Javier Bayaz needs to be talked
about for the season that he had right many Tigers fans,
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I would say even most Tigers fans did not want
him on the twenty twenty five team. They were like,
we're done, let's just cut bait. Starts the season off
smoking hot right makes the all star roster. Helped the
Tigers win a ton of games, which is when they
were at their best in the first half of the season.
He slumped the Tigers slumped. He's been in the postseason before.
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He had his first home run in eight years in
a postseason game in this one and came through with
the tying RBI single earlier. So Javier Baiaz needs some
love as well, Trevor. I mean, he's changed himself a
little bit this year, and we've seen the best of him.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
He's hitting, he's giving you at bats for average clutch abs,
and he's taken some pitches here and there in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, Chase is down, he's he's definitely i think, taking
some of that feedback he's always played, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Just.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Whatever is in front of him, he's going to go
right at it. He's going to play as hard as
he can and just deal with whatever comes his way.
And he mistakes to happen, it's just part of how
he plays. And I think he's started to rain some
of that back and try to pick and choose his
spots a little bit more. And that's you know, that's
what happens. Is he a little older in this game,
and it's great to see. I mean, he's just incredibly talented.
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The guy is a always been a great athlete and
always things come easier to him than other people, and
so to see these adjustments is always good thing. He's
kept a little bit of the free swinger because he
knows that makes it is part of who he is.
But you know, it's not just ball comes out of
the hand, it's his swing anymore. And he's always, you know,
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leave it over the plate. You're always in danger of
giving up the one way back.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Three forty six, three seventy five, hundred two strikeouts in
twenty six at bats in the postseason. It's really good
for Hobby Buys. All right, enough offense, Let's get to pitching,
shall we. First off, shout out Troy Melton. Three scoreless
innings for the Tigers. He's a dude, he's very young,
he's special, and aj Hinch has himself a weapon here,
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especially if this team advances. I mean, this is the
guy who can pick up big outs for you and
multiple innings, doing so out of the bullpen or in
a starting role.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, they're gonna need him. He's a bold guy. He
can take the ball for multiple innings. That's very important
to leave have at least at one of those guys
just in case, you know, it hits the fan for
their starter. But I mean, a guy can throw up
two hundred miles out. The only thing's really hurt him
is a couple of solo home runs. You know, he
gave one up to Okio, he gave one up to
Roriguez in the first game. But outside of that, he's
been pretty nails and tough too tough to really get
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get string a lot of hits against.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
And that's kind of the name of the game. In
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
You got that guy, uh, and you need him to
go go take care of business. I mean, he did
exactly what he needed to do in this situation, and
he locked.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Him down when they had the beginning.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
He made sure he went up and threw some zeros
and kept that momentum on the home side dugout. And
that's why it's kind of so scary that the momentum
has swung back and forth.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It's a pendulum in this in this series.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So Kerric Scouble, Game five not what you're looking for
if you are a Mariners fan, not at all.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
No, Well, I got one more and then I want
to get to the pitching matchup going forward here, Casey
my six strikeouts, three innings, one run. Aj Hinch let
him go three innings last time around. He looked pretty sharp.
Did give up a run. It's an elimination game. And
this is the style that Detroit puts out to the
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world in the postseason. This is nothing new, So I
wasn't surprised when he was pulled. But did you feel
like Casey my should have been left in the game.
It doesn't matter now because the Tigers won, But if
the Tigers had lost, right, if the offense didn't light up,
then that have been the storyline here. Hey, you took
him out, Troy or Tyler Holton didn't do well, right,
and you're relying on so many people to be perfect
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in the bullpen in this time around, it ends up
working out for them. You know, the bullpen's able to
hold off Seattle after Holton to give them enough time
to come back.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, it felt like a foregone conclusion before the game
started that he was gonna not be out there past
that point. When he guy strikes out six of gets
six to nine ounce via strikeout, and gives up the
one run, But he pitches another inning after giving up
that run. I don't know, like that's not a leash,
that's that's when he was scheduled to come out. So
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I don't necessarily like that doesn't feel as purposeful enough
for me.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Or read on anything.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It feels like it was just fore gone, and sometimes
you can I feel like that backfiring.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I would rather.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I would rather an in game decision, maybe, like if
you pull him and then and the Wholton thing happens
after a single or whatever, like and then another run scores.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I can live with that.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I would live with that situation more like you gave
him a chance. Even though the leash was about this long.
At least there was a leash, you know, it felt
like it was just didn't matter how good he could
have been. Nine up, nine down, nine strikeouts. Maybe he
stays in, but they still probably go batter, but batter
at that point, so it's like, how good does he
have to be? I think giving up zeros is the
way we've talked about this a lot earlier on foul Territory.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I mean, the same thing's gonna happen with Noah.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
He's gonna have to he can't even remotely give a
whiff that a run is going to be scored or
he's going to be out of the game. So like
that's just kind of what happened. Maybe if my didn't
give up the run, but like, yeah, it just felt
very like all right, thank you for your three. And
if I'm a starting pitcher and it didn't look like
he was, like, well, okay, I.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Could have given you more.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I as a starter, you want to go out there
and your dream is to be the one that's like,
come on, give me the ball, privee, this ball out
of my cold dead fingers situation. And I don't know,
it's it feels very like anticlimactic and not not. It
didn't feel like he did your job, and I could
see that kind of on's face, even though I think
he did do his job.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's it's a little bit of a the story is
not as fun if that's how pitching is always done.
So it's just there's a lot of way things you
can say about it. But yeah, fortunately they did win
the game and it isn't part of the part of
the big greater equation.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, and this stuff was sharp.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So if he does get another turn, and it's not
a do or die game for the Tigers, right, an
elimination scenario for them, maybe he does get a longer leash.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Okay, let's spind it forward. What do you have for
me Trevor Game five, Trek Scoogle regular rest against maybe
a George Kirby Luis gas Stillo combination. You have to
feel at least a little bit dejected about parts of
your bullpen from today's game that Detroit was able to crack.
But in other ways, of course, you'll be able to
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use munos, probably for six outs. How would you craft
this game if you're Seattle, Because for Detroit it's hey, Trek,
can you give me seven and change or eight so
we can have you and vest in goodnight.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
For Seattle, it's just a question of which one of
those two guys you start and how quickly you go
to the other one. My guest would be probably you
start Castillo because he's has historically had good, good success
against Detroit and he's matched up had to head with
Trek Scoogle, which the Mariners.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Won both times. I don't know if he factored in
the decision, but like.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
He goes had to head, he goes toe to toe.
That is very much his style. And I think maybe
Kirby may may be a little bit more a tougher
to get a like a handle on as a reliever.
You know, throws lots of pitches, you know, really nasty stuff,
pitches moving all over the place. And Castillo is more
of a three pitch guy. You know what you're gonna get.
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It's just gonna be about commanding it. And he's gonna
go right after you. So I would assume that'll be
the way they go, and they'll play it first sign
of first sign of danger, put in another guy, and
then on the hitting side against Sarah Scooble.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
You did just see him.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
There is no matter how good a guy is, you know,
school scoops throws four pitches most of the time. He's
not out there throwing an arsenal. He's not seth logo.
So like he can't just completely be a different pitcher.
He's gonna do He's gonna try to do the same
things he did to you last time. And it's gonna
be about putting a lot of pressure on him and
running his pitch count up. And this is do or die,
Like you got to find a way to get on base,
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and I think that the Marriers lineup is up for
that task. I don't anticipate this. I don't anticipate either
start or factoring.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Into this decision. Let's just put it that way. I
think it's I think we.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Got another extra inning game to come on our hands.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Okay, So, if you're scoobl and you look back at
your last start, there was one major issue. His name
is Jorge Polanco. He hit two home runs off of you.
How carefully do you pitch against him? And I remember
there was a lot of discussion about how the Mariners
handle change ups. Well, do you change your approach at
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all and chuck the changeup more frequently than you did
last time. I don't have the percentages in front of me,
because maybe your best changeup is still better than a
strength for a team, since it's Trek's Scouble's change up. Right,
when we look at numbers for the year on how
teams do against pitches, we're talking about all humans that pitch,
not Terrek's Scouble like humans.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, I think he might lean on it a little
bit more, especially Polanco. Historically, Blanco I struggled with change
ups a little bit more than raking balls. But for
whatever reason, they are very intent on taking that thing
away from him, and they've done a good job of
that all three times he pitched against them. So I
think he has a point if he's trying to not
necessarily just get rid of it, obviously you can't just
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get rid of your best pitch, but trying to find
other ways to get to get these guys out. But
without that change up, if that change up is battled
and taken away, the strikeout numbers go way down because
he's it's the push and pull, the fastball and the
change up.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
So when that happens, a lot more contact, a lot
more hits.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So do I anticipate him going to that strength more
and just really trusting it and just being like, you
know what it is, what it is, let's go right
after him. That's very much He's a go right after
you guy. And there might be a switch tickets flipped
at some point where he's like, I don't care what
you guys think is coming.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I'm gonna throw this thing.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And the best manners probably can do against it is
keep it from we keep them swinging and missing, try
to foul it off, trial it off, get another pitch.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And see you see what you can do.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But I don't think they're under any illusions that they're like,
we're not going to go put up eight runs on
Terry Scougle, Like probably not, but what we gotta do
is jump on and jump on them early. If we're
going to score plus's some runs, we got to get
it early in the game. And if not, we need
him to throw as many pitches as humanly possible because
Troy's outside of as Detroit's bullpen's been a little leaky too,
So get him off the mound will be their number
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one priority.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And if you're a Mariners fan and you somehow made
it through this whole conversation here, three times you've beaten
Trek Scoobel this year, twice in the regular season and
once in the postseason talking about games that he has started,
and the result has been a Mariners win. That's a
good sign for Seattle. So I've got two things left
on my agenda. One is Seattle wins the game if what,
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And maybe we factor in the offense a little bit
here because there are a lot of superstars.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
It's not like they had a terrible game.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
They put up three runs, but they had really been
showing us something different this season. And you know, early
on in the postseason here, with the offense being able
to provide contact, timely hits and pop.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I'm going to go very hyper specific. Okay, I think
if the game ends with Randy Rosarina with two extra
base hits, if he gets two.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Or more, maris why Okay, so Randy's I.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Think Randy's max factor. He has been quiet. He is
notoriously a big game. He is not afraid of anybody,
and I could see him leading, like clipping him in
the first like first batter of the game, or you know,
getting starting off an inning. I'm putting some pressure on
him for the for the guys who who have been
really getting the job done the whole series.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
That is the way that this would.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Happen, I think, and Randy Rosania might be the key.
I think that if he does that, other guys will
have their opportunities to drive him in and that will
equate to more rocks.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Okay, I like it.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
And lastly, thoughts on Josh Naylor's super obvious fun at
second base to try and tell his teammates what he
was seeing, whether there was deception or not. I mean,
I don't know if you picked up exactly what he
was doing on a pitch by pitchs We didn't have
the nailor camp for every pitch, but they did a
really good job on Fox of documenting what was going on.
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So this has become a hot topic. Which did you
think of the way Naylor was doing it?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, it was I was listening to AJ on the
broadcast and WNO and they were like is he doing anything?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Is this real? Is this for show? And why would
you do it for show?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
And then also what I know about Josh Naylor is
he would do this for show just to be annoying,
like that's it, that's the only really reason, just to
get in the guy's head.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Which if that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Were the case, mission accomplished because it was O two
and then he walked him. There was a couple like this,
the flicks here this is change up. Usually right like
this this like flick means change up. A couple of
times he did that, a change up was thrown and
Mitch took swings like he was new and change up
was going. But then there's other times where he was
like like just going up and down. One time he
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flapped his arms, the other time he went out. Sometimes
he went in like it's almost as if he was
giving the He's like, i'll give you the location if
I can't see the pitch, but if I can't see
the pitch.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I'll give you the pitch.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
That's what it felt like because Holton like gets his
grip and then turns his glove a little bit sometimes
and then change up. It's a bigger grip, so like
you see more hand usually and and I saw it
a little bit like when he comes sack kind of slowly.
So the interesting thing was he kept looking back at
him and knew what he was doing. And this reminds
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me of when Judge was doing it to Lozardo and
like Lazard's like or no, not Judge, it was the
it was sorry, it was story and the it was
the Red Sox, but they were doing it too, and
he was just looking. He knew, but like there's nothing
he could do because it was something to do with
how he's gripping the ball, not signs related. There's nothing
really to change. I have to change your mechanics in
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the middle of the outing, and it's really hard to do.
So sometimes you can go out there and you can say, hey,
something's happening.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Something's happening.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
You could be throwing in fake signs where a hitter
is like, I know those things don't mean anything, but
I know a couple of them do, and that's maybe
enough to get a guy thinking, like, am I might
mechanically showing anything? And as soon as the guy's thinking
about mechanics, it is very hard to compete.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
And that might be what's some of it is. I
might be.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I know it would drive me insane. I would not
be sure they didn't have anything. But I don't have
time to think about what that might be because I
have to pitch like that's clever. It's pretty clever, and
there's not a lot of stepping off you can do now,
so I can't really fix it in real time. This
might be something needs to be dressed in the future.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, and if you're a J.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Hinch, you might not press that button again, at least
for game five. I mean, you hope that you aren't
only using maybe two or three pitchers anyway, But I
would make a pretty but big bet that unless this
thing goes eighteen innings or something like you're saying, then
he might not appear in this next game, or he's
got to fix it really quickly if there is something
that they've got on him. Anyway, any thoughts that anyone
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has from watching this drop him in the comments let
us know. Trevor's in the Seattle area, so it's going
to be super cool for Game five out there. Hey,
they waited a long time for postseason baseball. Part of
postseason baseball is stress, thinking that you have a game
or a series one and then you don't. You had
a three to nothing lead. There's booing going on in Detroit.
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Everyone thinks it's done, and then the game flips and
here we go. So we're going to a game five.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
No one said it was gonna be easy.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
No, not at all dream season for Mariners fans, but
that could change if they're bounced from the Alds. Anyway,
we'll have plenty more word on that series when it
comes up, or that Game five when it comes up.
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Phillies will have Theirs in the morning, Dodgers late tonight.
It's the Ft Live postgame show presented by the Fox
one app. It's brand new, check it out. Scottie Brown
along with Trevor May we are recapping Game four, the
Tigers took down the Mariners. We will have a Game
five winner take all back in Seattle Place. Is gonna
be nuts. But first we're going to talk about what
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we just saw. Trevor, Good morning to the Detroit Tigers offense.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, we were just talking about it before the game,
that they needed to get it going. Hadn't scored more
than five runs more than once in the playoffs. This
counts nine unanswered after falling behind three nothing to the gate.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Was the bottom of the fifth this thing started. I
went downhill, downhill quick for the old Mariners.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Thiks Yeah, fifth and sixth thing. The Tigers just went nuts.
And I will give credit to a number of players
that I'll be Isley stepped up, but one that really
comes to mind was their best most productive bat this year.
Riley Green was feeling the heat. He's still a very
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young player, not super battle tested yet left on left
crime against a guy who had been really good and
had been in for those kind of spots inspire right,
and gave Spire who hung a slider and that's the
first Detroit home run we had seen since Carry Carpenter
in Game one of this series. Over one hundred at bats.
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That was the go ahead shot and ended up being
the difference maker. They scored a bunch more than in
need any more. Four hundred and fifty four feet from
Riley Green a big welcome back. And for me, Trevor,
this is a guy who's got the big uppercut swing.
He can be super streaky at times. But if he's
doing that for another couple weeks, the Tigers might all
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of a sudden change everything. I mean, sure they might
lose in Game five in Seattle, but if not, if
Riley Green becomes a big power hitter again like he
was for most of this season, thirty some on homers,
this is much scarier Detroit lineup.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
He was my you know, Detroit Tiger's MVP going into
this year. They needed him to be to take another
step forward and be the you know, big bat in
middle lineup for all intensive purposes.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
He did.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You know, one hundred eleven RBIs on the ear. That's
not nothing, you know, and he's got the high strikeout right,
we know, you know, he was leading the league for
most of the year before unfortunately the young guy out
in the Nationals Park took his took his belt. But
I mean it kind of comes with the territory. He's
got a steep swing. He struggles a little bit with
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the ball up at times, but he's making adjustments and
he's taking advantage of the balls he can't hit, especially
from a left east gates fire has trouble keeping the
ball out of the middle of the plate at all.
Today everything was kind of just leaking back over no
matter what he threw.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It's one of those days for him.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So but Roley Green is he's going to be the
game changer when he's hitting well, when he strings a
couple of hits together or has a big hit somewhere
in the game. That is what has happened to get
them their wins. So it was going to turn on
his bat and no difference today, you know, And you know,
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I think Zach McKinstry kind of just jumped right on
the badwagon and swung it pretty well too.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
If everyone did. I mean, the floodgates kind of opened
after that point.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
It's a good little nugget from Jason Stark, who's always
full of them. One home run against lefties this year
to give the Tigers a lead for Riley Green July thirteenth,
off Gabe Spire.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Wow. Yeah, so it's like he hadn't been in that
spot before.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Oh wait, he had that exact spot, not in this
kind of environment, but just a few months ago, I think.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And I don't want to insert myself in here in
any meaningful way, but gave Spire only gave up like
for five or six home runs of the year, and
I'm pretty sure I was either watching a TV or
watching live or four of them.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So I'm sorry, Gabe.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I'm pretty sure I saw the Riley Green one, and
I believe it was in Seattle, and I might have been.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
There for that too.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So that's you know, I won't watch anymore. I'll turn
it off when you come in the game, and let's
make sure that that's not part of it.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
How about that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And you know what, as a reliever man, giving up
a homer to the same guy twice in a year,
it's like not, it's rare, it's pretty like, especially if
you're not in their division.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Right, So yeah, this is right.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Every time that guy comes into the plate. Now, for
the rest of his spier's career, gonna just remember this
a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And broadcasters will bring it up almost every time. It'll
be the note right. If you ever see that matchup,
they'll go. Let me take you back to October eighth
of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Other notable parts of the Tigers offense. First off, here
Jami Jones. His job is to hit left handed pitching.
His ops is star level against left handed pitching. First
pitch rips an RBI double offspire that made this a
three to two contest. Javier Bayaz needs to be talked
about for the season that he had right many Tigers fans,
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I would say even most Tigers fans did not want
him on the twenty twenty five team. They were like,
we're done, let's just cut bait. Starts the season off
smoking hot right makes the all star roster. Helped the
Tigers win a ton of games, which is when they
were at their best in the first half of the season.
He slumped the Tigers slumped. He's been in the postseason before.
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He had his first home run in eight years in
a postseason game in this one and came through with
the tying RBI single earlier. So Javier Baiaz needs some
love as well, Trevor. I mean, he's changed himself a
little bit this year, and we've seen the best of him.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
He's hitting, he's giving you at bats for average clutch abs,
and he's taken some pitches here and there in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, Chase is down, he's he's definitely i think, taking
some of that feedback he's always played, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Just.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Whatever is in front of him, he's going to go
right at it. He's going to play as hard as
he can and just deal with whatever comes his way.
And he mistakes to happen, it's just part of how
he plays. And I think he's started to rain some
of that back and try to pick and choose his
spots a little bit more. And that's you know, that's
what happens. Is he a little older in this game,
and it's great to see. I mean, he's just incredibly talented.
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The guy is a always been a great athlete and
always things come easier to him than other people, and
so to see these adjustments is always good thing. He's
kept a little bit of the free swinger because he
knows that makes it is part of who he is.
But you know, it's not just ball comes out of
the hand, it's his swing anymore. And he's always, you know,
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leave it over the plate. You're always in danger of
giving up the one way back.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Three forty six, three seventy five, hundred two strikeouts in
twenty six at bats in the postseason. It's really good
for Hobby Buys. All right, enough offense, Let's get to pitching,
shall we. First off, shout out Troy Melton. Three scoreless
innings for the Tigers. He's a dude, he's very young,
he's special, and aj Hinch has himself a weapon here,
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especially if this team advances. I mean, this is the
guy who can pick up big outs for you and
multiple innings, doing so out of the bullpen or in
a starting role.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, they're gonna need him. He's a bold guy. He
can take the ball for multiple innings. That's very important
to leave have at least at one of those guys
just in case, you know, it hits the fan for
their starter. But I mean, a guy can throw up
two hundred miles out. The only thing's really hurt him
is a couple of solo home runs. You know, he
gave one up to Okio, he gave one up to
Roriguez in the first game. But outside of that, he's
been pretty nails and tough too tough to really get
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get string a lot of hits against.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
And that's kind of the name of the game. In
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
You got that guy, uh, and you need him to
go go take care of business. I mean, he did
exactly what he needed to do in this situation, and
he locked.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Him down when they had the beginning.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
He made sure he went up and threw some zeros
and kept that momentum on the home side dugout. And
that's why it's kind of so scary that the momentum
has swung back and forth.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It's a pendulum in this in this series.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So Kerric Scouble, Game five not what you're looking for
if you are a Mariners fan, not at all.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
No, Well, I got one more and then I want
to get to the pitching matchup going forward here, Casey
my six strikeouts, three innings, one run. Aj Hinch let
him go three innings last time around. He looked pretty sharp.
Did give up a run. It's an elimination game. And
this is the style that Detroit puts out to the
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world in the postseason. This is nothing new, So I
wasn't surprised when he was pulled. But did you feel
like Casey my should have been left in the game.
It doesn't matter now because the Tigers won, But if
the Tigers had lost, right, if the offense didn't light up,
then that have been the storyline here. Hey, you took
him out, Troy or Tyler Holton didn't do well, right,
and you're relying on so many people to be perfect
(09:07):
in the bullpen in this time around, it ends up
working out for them. You know, the bullpen's able to
hold off Seattle after Holton to give them enough time
to come back.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, it felt like a foregone conclusion before the game
started that he was gonna not be out there past
that point. When he guy strikes out six of gets
six to nine ounce via strikeout, and gives up the
one run, But he pitches another inning after giving up
that run. I don't know, like that's not a leash,
that's that's when he was scheduled to come out. So
(09:38):
I don't necessarily like that doesn't feel as purposeful enough
for me.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Or read on anything.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It feels like it was just fore gone, and sometimes
you can I feel like that backfiring.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I would rather.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I would rather an in game decision, maybe, like if
you pull him and then and the Wholton thing happens
after a single or whatever, like and then another run scores.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I can live with that.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I would live with that situation more like you gave
him a chance. Even though the leash was about this long.
At least there was a leash, you know, it felt
like it was just didn't matter how good he could
have been. Nine up, nine down, nine strikeouts. Maybe he
stays in, but they still probably go batter, but batter
at that point, so it's like, how good does he
have to be? I think giving up zeros is the
way we've talked about this a lot earlier on foul Territory.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I mean, the same thing's gonna happen with Noah.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
He's gonna have to he can't even remotely give a
whiff that a run is going to be scored or
he's going to be out of the game. So like
that's just kind of what happened. Maybe if my didn't
give up the run, but like, yeah, it just felt
very like all right, thank you for your three. And
if I'm a starting pitcher and it didn't look like
he was, like, well, okay, I.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Could have given you more.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I as a starter, you want to go out there
and your dream is to be the one that's like,
come on, give me the ball, privee, this ball out
of my cold dead fingers situation. And I don't know,
it's it feels very like anticlimactic and not not. It
didn't feel like he did your job, and I could
see that kind of on's face, even though I think
he did do his job.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's it's a little bit of a the story is
not as fun if that's how pitching is always done.
So it's just there's a lot of way things you
can say about it. But yeah, fortunately they did win
the game and it isn't part of the part of
the big greater equation.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, and this stuff was sharp.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So if he does get another turn, and it's not
a do or die game for the Tigers, right, an
elimination scenario for them, maybe he does get a longer leash.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Okay, let's spind it forward. What do you have for
me Trevor Game five, Trek Scoogle regular rest against maybe
a George Kirby Luis gas Stillo combination. You have to
feel at least a little bit dejected about parts of
your bullpen from today's game that Detroit was able to crack.
But in other ways, of course, you'll be able to
(12:02):
use munos, probably for six outs. How would you craft
this game if you're Seattle, Because for Detroit it's hey, Trek,
can you give me seven and change or eight so
we can have you and vest in goodnight.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
For Seattle, it's just a question of which one of
those two guys you start and how quickly you go
to the other one. My guest would be probably you
start Castillo because he's has historically had good, good success
against Detroit and he's matched up had to head with
Trek Scoogle, which the Mariners.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Won both times. I don't know if he factored in
the decision, but like.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
He goes had to head, he goes toe to toe.
That is very much his style. And I think maybe
Kirby may may be a little bit more a tougher
to get a like a handle on as a reliever.
You know, throws lots of pitches, you know, really nasty stuff,
pitches moving all over the place. And Castillo is more
of a three pitch guy. You know what you're gonna get.
(12:59):
It's just gonna be about commanding it. And he's gonna
go right after you. So I would assume that'll be
the way they go, and they'll play it first sign
of first sign of danger, put in another guy, and
then on the hitting side against Sarah Scooble.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
You did just see him.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
There is no matter how good a guy is, you know,
school scoops throws four pitches most of the time. He's
not out there throwing an arsenal. He's not seth logo.
So like he can't just completely be a different pitcher.
He's gonna do He's gonna try to do the same
things he did to you last time. And it's gonna
be about putting a lot of pressure on him and
running his pitch count up. And this is do or die,
Like you got to find a way to get on base,
(13:38):
and I think that the Marriers lineup is up for
that task. I don't anticipate this. I don't anticipate either
start or factoring.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Into this decision. Let's just put it that way. I
think it's I think we.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Got another extra inning game to come on our hands.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Okay, So, if you're scoobl and you look back at
your last start, there was one major issue. His name
is Jorge Polanco. He hit two home runs off of you.
How carefully do you pitch against him? And I remember
there was a lot of discussion about how the Mariners
handle change ups. Well, do you change your approach at
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all and chuck the changeup more frequently than you did
last time. I don't have the percentages in front of me,
because maybe your best changeup is still better than a
strength for a team, since it's Trek's Scouble's change up. Right,
when we look at numbers for the year on how
teams do against pitches, we're talking about all humans that pitch,
not Terrek's Scouble like humans.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, I think he might lean on it a little
bit more, especially Polanco. Historically, Blanco I struggled with change
ups a little bit more than raking balls. But for
whatever reason, they are very intent on taking that thing
away from him, and they've done a good job of
that all three times he pitched against them. So I
think he has a point if he's trying to not
necessarily just get rid of it, obviously you can't just
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get rid of your best pitch, but trying to find
other ways to get to get these guys out. But
without that change up, if that change up is battled
and taken away, the strikeout numbers go way down because
he's it's the push and pull, the fastball and the
change up.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
So when that happens, a lot more contact, a lot
more hits.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So do I anticipate him going to that strength more
and just really trusting it and just being like, you
know what it is, what it is, let's go right
after him. That's very much He's a go right after
you guy. And there might be a switch tickets flipped
at some point where he's like, I don't care what
you guys think is coming.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I'm gonna throw this thing.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And the best manners probably can do against it is
keep it from we keep them swinging and missing, try
to foul it off, trial it off, get another pitch.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And see you see what you can do.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But I don't think they're under any illusions that they're like,
we're not going to go put up eight runs on
Terry Scougle, Like probably not, but what we gotta do
is jump on and jump on them early. If we're
going to score plus's some runs, we got to get
it early in the game. And if not, we need
him to throw as many pitches as humanly possible because
Troy's outside of as Detroit's bullpen's been a little leaky too,
So get him off the mound will be their number
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one priority.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And if you're a Mariners fan and you somehow made
it through this whole conversation here, three times you've beaten
Trek Scoobel this year, twice in the regular season and
once in the postseason talking about games that he has started,
and the result has been a Mariners win. That's a
good sign for Seattle. So I've got two things left
on my agenda. One is Seattle wins the game if what,
(16:33):
And maybe we factor in the offense a little bit
here because there are a lot of superstars.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
It's not like they had a terrible game.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
They put up three runs, but they had really been
showing us something different this season. And you know, early
on in the postseason here, with the offense being able
to provide contact, timely hits and pop.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I'm going to go very hyper specific. Okay, I think
if the game ends with Randy Rosarina with two extra
base hits, if he gets two.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Or more, maris why Okay, so Randy's I.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Think Randy's max factor. He has been quiet. He is
notoriously a big game. He is not afraid of anybody,
and I could see him leading, like clipping him in
the first like first batter of the game, or you know,
getting starting off an inning. I'm putting some pressure on
him for the for the guys who who have been
really getting the job done the whole series.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
That is the way that this would.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Happen, I think, and Randy Rosania might be the key.
I think that if he does that, other guys will
have their opportunities to drive him in and that will
equate to more rocks.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Okay, I like it.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
And lastly, thoughts on Josh Naylor's super obvious fun at
second base to try and tell his teammates what he
was seeing, whether there was deception or not. I mean,
I don't know if you picked up exactly what he
was doing on a pitch by pitchs We didn't have
the nailor camp for every pitch, but they did a
really good job on Fox of documenting what was going on.
(18:07):
So this has become a hot topic. Which did you
think of the way Naylor was doing it?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, it was I was listening to AJ on the
broadcast and WNO and they were like is he doing anything?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Is this real? Is this for show? And why would
you do it for show?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
And then also what I know about Josh Naylor is
he would do this for show just to be annoying,
like that's it, that's the only really reason, just to
get in the guy's head.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Which if that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Were the case, mission accomplished because it was O two
and then he walked him. There was a couple like this,
the flicks here this is change up. Usually right like
this this like flick means change up. A couple of
times he did that, a change up was thrown and
Mitch took swings like he was new and change up
was going. But then there's other times where he was
like like just going up and down. One time he
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flapped his arms, the other time he went out. Sometimes
he went in like it's almost as if he was
giving the He's like, i'll give you the location if
I can't see the pitch, but if I can't see
the pitch.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I'll give you the pitch.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
That's what it felt like because Holton like gets his
grip and then turns his glove a little bit sometimes
and then change up. It's a bigger grip, so like
you see more hand usually and and I saw it
a little bit like when he comes sack kind of slowly.
So the interesting thing was he kept looking back at
him and knew what he was doing. And this reminds
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me of when Judge was doing it to Lozardo and
like Lazard's like or no, not Judge, it was the
it was sorry, it was story and the it was
the Red Sox, but they were doing it too, and
he was just looking. He knew, but like there's nothing
he could do because it was something to do with
how he's gripping the ball, not signs related. There's nothing
really to change. I have to change your mechanics in
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the middle of the outing, and it's really hard to do.
So sometimes you can go out there and you can say, hey,
something's happening.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Something's happening.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
You could be throwing in fake signs where a hitter
is like, I know those things don't mean anything, but
I know a couple of them do, and that's maybe
enough to get a guy thinking, like, am I might
mechanically showing anything? And as soon as the guy's thinking
about mechanics, it is very hard to compete.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
And that might be what's some of it is. I
might be.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I know it would drive me insane. I would not
be sure they didn't have anything. But I don't have
time to think about what that might be because I
have to pitch like that's clever. It's pretty clever, and
there's not a lot of stepping off you can do now,
so I can't really fix it in real time. This
might be something needs to be dressed in the future.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, and if you're a J.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Hinch, you might not press that button again, at least
for game five. I mean, you hope that you aren't
only using maybe two or three pitchers anyway, But I
would make a pretty but big bet that unless this
thing goes eighteen innings or something like you're saying, then
he might not appear in this next game, or he's
got to fix it really quickly if there is something
that they've got on him. Anyway, any thoughts that anyone
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has from watching this drop him in the comments let
us know. Trevor's in the Seattle area, so it's going
to be super cool for Game five out there. Hey,
they waited a long time for postseason baseball. Part of
postseason baseball is stress, thinking that you have a game
or a series one and then you don't. You had
a three to nothing lead. There's booing going on in Detroit.
(21:14):
Everyone thinks it's done, and then the game flips and
here we go. So we're going to a game five.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
No one said it was gonna be easy.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
No, not at all dream season for Mariners fans, but
that could change if they're bounced from the Alds. Anyway,
we'll have plenty more word on that series when it
comes up, or that Game five when it comes up.
We'll have a lot more on foul Territory when we
do Thursday show at one o'clock Eastern time, and stay tuned.
We'll let you know other postgame shows that we're doing
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