Extra Frosting: Debbie Gibson

Only in My Dreams…does Debbie Gibson become Lance’s first non-boybander guest! But suddenly our Electric Youth is reborn as those dreams are a reality! 

Debbie and Lance go deep into the awkwardness of a former hangout they once had, she reveals the truth behind the feud between her and Tiffany… plus, she performs music you may have never heard!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and a podcast.
Hello my Little Peanuts, sits me your host, Lance Bass.
This is Frosted Tips and this is my husband, Michael Churchin. Oh,
thank you for the introduction. Lance Bass. Excited for today
because we have a very special episode. We have broken

(00:27):
the mold. Guys, we have all right, they do have
FoST Frosted Tips, so it fits the show. But it's
our first female, our first non boy bander was But
it makes sense, it really does because she has had
the front row seat to the whole boy band extravaganza.
She has toured with us on our stadium tour. A
huge fan of hers from the very beginning she was

(00:48):
sixteen years old, Miss Debbie Gibson. That's right, the one
and only. And she's got stories, folks, story stories. I
can guarantee you I could do four episodes with this lady.
Oh I'm sure you could. Yeah. I mean she's good storyteller.
Oh my gosh. She has a story for everything and
what she's done in her career. Holy most still has
crazy records that have not been broken since she was

(01:10):
seventeen years old. I know, Holy moly. But before she
gets here, what's going on. A little coffee. Let's get
a little coffee talk. I am drinking a little coffee, right,
nice ice, flat white. Oh yeah, well, okay, kid update
because you know, I know you love listening to our
kids talk. Rights they do so, and I'm sure parents

(01:31):
out there will know this for sure, but guys, stop
buying toys for your kids just because it doesn't matter.
The only thing you need is a cardboard box. Cardboard box.
Last night and our kid, we got a delivery and
it was just kind of a medium sized box. Right,
two of them consider in it barely. They played with
this thing for hours the last time. I mean they

(01:54):
were just peeking out of that box and to the
point where the box is finally collected on them, and
then they would try to rebuilding it like it was
something else. Now, they might have had a few paper cuts, yeah,
because they definitely have a lot of paper. It's it's
it's yeah, not the safest thing, but you know, you
need to give them a little you know, maybe tape

(02:15):
up the sides that are a little sharp. I don't know,
but there's got to be a company out there just
making like toy paper boxes for kids, kids playing if
they're not someone do it because it's a billion dollar business.
That's right, we copyrighted, but you can't do it now. No,
I take it. We're not gonna do anything. Yeah. So yeah,
that is my frosted tip free pars right now, just
get a cardboard box. I was the same way as

(02:36):
a kid. I remember I was like seven years old
and we would I think, well, you could get like
a dishwasher, right or afrigerator and you'd have the big
oldfrigerator boxes. My sister and I would play in that
thing for hours. So fun. Yeah, loved it. But we
also didn't have toys. Just kidding. Oh my god. That

(02:56):
was our toy. That was our toy. Times were tough
in the eighties. Um, all right, this another thing before
we get Debbie in here. Um, so both both Turkey
and I have a problem. We well, no, but you
have one too. I have a bigger problem. But you
also have the problem of seeing an ad on Facebook

(03:17):
and saying, you know what I need that impulse bies.
We're impulse, yes, but you just buy immediately from seeing
it without doing any due diligence. Absolutely absolutely. I mean
you're researching turkeys, so you really dive in. Oh. But
you know, I'll go and see some reviews. But the
problem is, I don't know if I trust reviews. So
Turkey gets a package yesterday and I swear to god,

(03:41):
it's snail ninety two is what it's called. It's musin
ninety six. It's snail musin, which is basically like the
mucus from a snake. He bought a whole bottle mucus
put on her face. Yeah, all right, And I'm like,
and I look at the bottle and it looks like
a fake labels put on. It's all in Chinese, and
I've bought things from overseas and it is not what

(04:03):
they said it was. So I think you got totally screwed.
He's on this and I don't know what you're putting
on your face. I'm putting snail poop on my face
and it makes and it's really from snail. They really
take you know, it's called snail. But maybe they can
able to make it fakely synthetically. I don't want to
hurt all those snails. I don't know. Well, maybe they
don't have to kill snails. Maybe they just kind of

(04:23):
collect the boo. Yeah, just like run across some euslastic
thing and then they just take that. But anyway, it's
supposed to be super hydrating and good fears Again. Anyway,
I saw it, you know what, I bought it on Amazon. Well,
if it's on Amazon, it must be real. Listen, it
was on Ulta dot com. It was on Macy's dot com. Yeah,
I'm sure that that company exists. But I guarantee you
the bottle that you got it from Amazon. I'm from

(04:46):
the company fake burkin Wow, fake Burkina. Right now. Well,
I'm just saying, if you're gonna buy a broken from
some unknown site, well who it was not an unknown site.
It was a Chinese It was Amazon, but the salary
was all the company is a Chinese company. Lance, I'm
gonna go to Alta. I'm gonna get a bottle there
and I'm gonna have four point six rating out of

(05:08):
by the way you can buy. Yeah, a lot of them,
says those farms Russia, troll farms. And on that note,
we're going to take a break because I go cry. Okay,
no one will secres talk right now. Let's let's get
Debbie Gibson in here for more than thirty five years.

(05:43):
Debbie Gibson has been a true pioneer enforce in the
entertainment industry. Singer, songwriter, producer, musician, actor, entrepreneur. She embodies
what it truly means to be an icon. A music prodigy,
Gibson burst onto the Billboard Pop charts at the age
of sixteen with a self penned Only in My Dreams.
The original pop Princess, quickly became the youngest artist ever

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to write, produce, and perform a number one hit song,
Foolish Beat on the Billboard Hot one hundred and entered
the Guinness Book of World Records. To date, she is
still the youngest female to hold that record. Less than
a year later, she did it again with her self
penned and produced hit Lost in Your Eyes, making her
to date the soul female artists have written, produced, and
performed two number one songs on the Billboard Hot one hundred.

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She also holds the title of the youngest artist to
be awarded ASCAPS Songwriter of the Year, which is huge.
Gibson has sold more than sixteen million albums worldwide and
released ten studio albums, five compilations. To have You, Gibson,
that is quite the life you have had? Yeah, and
you're just getting started. What are you talking about every
now and again when I'm like, oh my god, I

(06:48):
need a nap. Why am I so tired? It's because
of everything it does. I mean such a young age,
I mean sixteen years old and I love your origin
store here. So you start writing music when you were
just a kid? Yea. How do you remember how old
you were when you first pinned your first song? I do?
I mean, make sure you know your classroom, make sure

(07:10):
you know your seat. I'll be fine. Your teacher, I
hope she looks so sweet. Make sure you know your classroom,
make your seat. I'll be find your teacher, or you'll
have to wait in this street. That was my first song.
I had a deep hidden fear of getting kicked out
of kindergarten for not knowing where the classroom was. Apparently,
and I wrote about it. I have a dream of nightmare,

(07:32):
recurring nightmare being in school and not knowing where my
classroom is and it happens. That's so crazy. And by
the way, like and then having toured in high school,
I never remembered where my locker was or what the commona.
That's also part of my dream. That's part of my dream. Yeah,
it's part of my dream. Locker, I can't open the locker.

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I don't know the common I don't know the combination.
I don't know where my class is. See, that wasn't
my dream. That was actually my reality. I was a
tenant ladies. Can you guys give me my combo again?
By the way, while you're at it, tell me where
it is. Yeah, that thing with his dreams, at least
he can fly in them. Yeah, but he's flying, which
is pretty much all dreams that but yeah, so five

(08:15):
years old, like it was always like that for me.
Like yesterday I was walking down the street and I
literally started singing my thoughts out loud, like that's what
songwriting is. And and I've always like I've always heard
thoughts to music in my head. You're going to be
We brought this up in one of the last episodes
with I Think Trevor from Otown. Um, we're doing a
children's cartoon called POOFU in the Barnyard Band, and I

(08:37):
want all my pop friends to be the writers of
all like the children's songs in the show. So you
are this show, yes please? And by the way, like
I can pull stuff from my archives where I legit
wrote the songs at twelve and thirteen, because they really
have that. Yeah, because I listen to those sometimes and
I'm like, oh my god, it really is like that
little girl singing for little girls, you know, and and yeah,

(09:01):
I have the character for you. Her name's Molly the Dog.
Well you know I'm a dog fanatic, So can she
be a doc sins? We can make her whatever. Well,
at twelve years old, you won a thousand dollars and
a songwriting contest or radio station. I come from America.
What was that about? And what made you submit it
for the contest? Okay? I love this. I love that

(09:23):
you brought this up. So my English teacher, who was
like also the head of the gifted and creative program
in my junior high, gave me the thing. I said,
you know, here, there's this contest and I thought of you,
and it was wr Radio in New York, and I
was like, oh my god, I have to do this. Well,

(09:43):
my dad worked for TWA Airlines for forty years, so
our family, like we never would have been able to
afford to take vacations, but we were able to go
to a vacation spot a year because we flew standby,
So it was really about like all the places I
had visited and the melting pot that was America, and

(10:03):
it is America, and like I may look like I'm
from Korea, I may speak like I'm from Africa, I
may have an Italian accent that I come from America.
And it was all the Spanish America. I was like
Latin in my dreams. So anyway, yeah, so my mom,

(10:25):
this is when I think, like I always think about
my mom unofficially managing me before she managed me, the
original Mamager, original manager. She brought that tape. I gave
a tour on the deadline day because that's how I
was last minute Mary. So she brings it into work.
She was running. She was office manager for surgeons in
New York City, and she was always using their supplies

(10:46):
and their phones and everything to network for me, send
out pictures and resumes and colle agents and all the things.
So she's looking at this thing and she's like, should
I just throw this in the garbage? My freaking daughter.
She gives me this on the deadline day and she's
not good and she leaves them me more than anyone,
but she's like this contest is a long shot, like
there's probably people of all ages and did it. But
then she was like, I can't not send it, so

(11:08):
she sent it V a messenger that I'm sure she didn't.
Sure the doctors paid for that. Yeah, they didn't give
him any of the thousand dollars, so they didn't mean it.
But anyway, Yeah, so the call comes and I won
first prize and a thousand dollars at twelve years old
in like nineteen eighty one. That's like and it's a
lot of money right now, you know, But that was

(11:29):
all like winning a million dollars. But I remember my
first job. It was one hundred dollars a week, and
I thought that was so much money. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Then I'd blow through it like every weekend buying beer.
Year old. Sorry, mom, sorry you have to listen to
speak about Diane. So sorry. You know, your mom has passed,
and um, what a beautiful relationship y'all had, and I

(11:52):
feel like she's still so over everything you do right now.
He is, like, you know, you always hear the stories
when people passed, like they're gonna play with the light
switches and they're gonna It's not like that like, I'm
getting full body chills right now because she's like, I'm here.
She's It's that she always was a presence, and she
and I were always spiritually connected like I would be.

(12:14):
I remember there was a day I was in London
doing Greece. I lived there for a year, and there
was a day she and I both bought the same
outfit on the same day, me and London in her
New York. I was like, oh my god, I got
this vest, and she's like, I got a vest with
the pinstripes today, and oh it has like a wait.
But we were that connected. We were that connected. She
always knew if one of her daughters was up to

(12:37):
no good or having an issue, she'd be like, what's wrong?
So I just think, well, why would that ever go away?
That wasn't tangible right, And definitely this last year since
she passed, it's like I've had some extra mojo, extra stamina,
you know. And this whole the whole mass singer thing
coming my way on the anniversary of her passing was

(12:57):
too much of a coincidence to not be a coincidence.
And it was, you know, the funeral was beautiful, your
speeches and I think it's your uncle. Just cracked me up.
My uncle, Oh my god. I had agents going, I
want to sign your uncle. But it was the first
funeral I went to online because I mean it's during
the COVID era era and so it was the first
time I ever experienced something like that. But it was

(13:19):
you know, it was beautiful to see y'all come together.
Your family is just so sweet. So thank you. We
have a great family. And yeah, it was a big snowstorm,
so on top of being the end of COVID and
like nobody so we didn't we didn't have a bit
like a huge and it was pretty intimate in person,
but people did tune in online and she loved you,
and you know that, like we um you know, to

(13:40):
tell your audience like Lance has always had my back
in so many different ways. And you know, my favorite
story though, is when I did the some of the
Stadiums with you guys on the Pop Odyssey tour and
one of the powers that beat because you know, I
was I was a support act and even though like yes,
my music came out before yours, I wasn't as relevant

(14:00):
as you guys were at that point. So you took
me underwing and took me out. And one of the
powers that he was like, well, you can't have a piano,
you're a track act. And Lance was like, you give
her anything she wanted, especially a piano. A piano anyway.
But now I also realize, like, because I tore and

(14:23):
use keyboards much of a big that was actually a
very big ask and you delivered that for me. You
know what it was a stadium tour. Okay, we could
afford it, you have, well, I never forgot it. Amongst
other ways you've supported me. Well we I mean, we
always loved you. We've you know, become friends over the years.

(14:45):
And do you remember I tell the story all the time,
but all the time you know? So, uh, I owned
the club Heart in West Hollywood, this night club which
used to be Rage. Do you remember the night that
I took you and Tiffany. Yeah, it was the first
time I ever went to a gay club. Oh my god. Okay,
so I was with my girlfriend at the time and
then coming in with you on one arm and Tiffany

(15:08):
on the other. How did people not know I was gay?
It's just like my coming out that I didn't know
was my coming out story and a girlfriend trailing in
the backroads, like why why are you not touching me here?
But that was like twenty three years ago, right, I
mean it was so much fun, And I still Ron
Davis has a picture of that night because he was

(15:29):
with us. I want that picture and he's sending it
to me because I want club. Yeah, but I'm wearing
like a hat, you know, so I'm like really hiding myself, Like, oh,
I probably have the best time in your life. Well,
your girlfriend was like, wow, Lands, I've never seen you
just so at peace and at home king the place.
She did notice that, like some guy was like touching
my butt. She's like, why is he touching your butt?

(15:50):
And I'm like, I don't know. You're like I don't
know what ways I think. You're like, I don't know,
but don't let them stop. This is their place. But
for real, though, like, how hard was that for you?
I'm sure you've been asked this a million times, but
I don't do interview, so I don't get to ask
like that had to be an immense pressure because he
did have such a huge female fan base. That was well,
it was hard, but at that point I really was

(16:13):
trying to fool myself into thinking like, yes, I knew
I was gay, but I also was fooling myself. Don't think, no,
I'm bisexual. So I'll never you know, I'll never act
on the gay part of it. You know, I will
have a lady that I love and we're going to
get married and have kids, and you know, so I
dated a couple of girls and I really thought that's
what love was, but until I met my first boyfriend, like, oh,

(16:34):
that's what it feels like. I'm completely gay now. Yeah,
but you know, we all have our journey for sure. Yeah,
let's talk a little Mass Singer because this is fresh
off the presses, very surprising unveil last night. I didn't
even know that you were on the show, and I
knew I was interviewing you today. I was trying to

(16:56):
process that by the time the mask was coming off.
It's fun of my friends from my friends from high school.
We have a group text and I'm still really good
friends with my high school friends and they love the
Mass Singer and they were guests in that. They were like,
who is this Madonna? This has to be a Madonna,
Like I don't know if it's Madonna. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but so okay, this was a last minute thing for
you too, right, it was so last minute. Um yeah,

(17:20):
so somebody got COVID and but you know they weren't sure,
like they were like, you know, somebody tested negative, We're
gonna retest. I mean positive, We're gonna retest. I mean.
So I got the first call when my flight was
taking off from Newark to Las Vegas the day before,
and by the time I landed, it was a go wow.

(17:41):
And then it was like all right, well, let me
go home, unpack, repack. And the driver who I found
as like an Uber driver who it's now like my
personal driver because I adopt people. I was like, yeah,
I love finding people like that. Um I've done that
with Postmates, Like can I have your number? D pets it.
So this guy was like he overheard us like talking

(18:03):
about I was like, I need to go back on
because there was no Jet sweet X available, which anybody
who fliess the best. I was like I am not
getting back on that freaking tram and going back through
TSA to fly forty minutes. He was like I'll drive you.
I'm like sold. So it got in like ten pm
somewhere on the along the Drive. We came up with

(18:24):
night Owl, we came up with Fernando, we picked the
key no way, yeah, I mean, and then I was
on set by eight in the morning. How did they
build the owl so quickly? Well, I mean I think
they had that. Yeah, they had to like come up
with something in the bird world. Would you have chosen
if you would have been able to start from scrape?
It's such a good question I've thought about because like

(18:45):
I had been invited to do the show before, and
I'm like, oh, someday I'll do it and I'll really
think about what character. And I was like, I always
thought about the Teddy Bear from my first album, like
maybe something Teddy Bear related. I was like, definitely something
with a black hat. My Body Remembers album has green theme,
maybe something with a green a green heart or a
green music. I don't know, like, but it was weird.

(19:06):
So I opened my Electric Youth tour with who and
I would do this like who who? Who is perfect?
And then one of the funniest comments of the night
was rob a thick going, but is she nocturnal? And
I thought, well, usually I'm an early bird, but I've
been touring now a lot. Last year and this year,

(19:28):
so I'm like, I feel way more nocturnal. Okay, So
I was kind of like making it work. But then
when you look up owls, there's a lot about like
the maternal and the protector and the gowls are badass,
and the costume. I was piecing it together with them
from I was like, I love that body suit of
love and things that just felt like me. Like the
body suit felt like my Liberaci piano. It had like

(19:50):
the cracked mirrors on it, and then like the wings. See,
here's the thing. If I were to go, if I
were aiming to win, I could not have been doing
that costume every week. Like I couldn't even lift my
arms past ninety degrees because it must be those italic wings.
I had to like shimmy sideways down the hallway get
to the stage. I'm just giggling still because it was

(20:12):
so much fun. I would. I loved when Hansen did
it and they were the the Russian dolls. Yeah, the
Russian dolls. Oh my god. I thought that was so
because they couldn't move hardly at All I could do
is storms just kind of go inside each other and
then pop out and then but it worked for some reason. Well,
it was Van Dyke, like they put him in them,

(20:34):
which was like a how I didn't, No, you don't
can't meet anyone. And he was there the day before,
you know, the episode before. But yeah, so god, I
mean I cried right along with Nicole when I saw
him reveal. So he's the most guy we have right now.
He's what ninety eight degrees eight degrees, ninety seven years

(20:57):
eight degrees. I hope that's to help degrees in that costume.
It was hot seven years young. Yeah, I mean I'm like,
at ninety seven, I hope I can like read an
itinerary and show up somewhere I can let alone. That's
my grandma's currently ninety seven and she can't get up

(21:17):
from her share in her bedroom. I can imagine performing
on his day sounded great. I mean I was like,
oh my god. But like so many iconic people want
to do the show. I mean, even like Howie Mandel,
I was like, you don't need to be like anything, well,
because people do it for just the love of it.
It's just so fun. It is the biggest show right now. Um,

(21:38):
it's kind of like well, I mean, I guess they
still do it. But when Dance when the Stars started,
you know, and then it got round like season three,
season four, and people were just so obsessed with and
people were just begging to be on that show because
everyone knew how one. It was so hard but so fun,
and then at the end you just feel like you
can do anything right. I can take over the w
I will say, like with mass Singer when I was

(21:59):
in the like I'm in the mask, you know, and
you're just like this like a couple of inches between
you and the front of the mask, so you're in
this like meditative little world of your own. And I
was standing there like with the panelist giving their comments
or whatever, and I thought, this is like every reason
the little Girl performer and me ever wanted to be
in showbiz. I'm in an elaborate costume and I'm like

(22:21):
nobody knews who I am. I'm playing make believe. And
I had to learn a song really quick and like,
by the way, if you think you know Fernando, just
attempt to sing the verse right now. So the timing
I was like two three and I had to write
myself a lead sheet. But then I was trying to
like nap in between, like my for me, my voice

(22:43):
did not sound the best like the verse. I was
like watching it bad, cringing because I just hate when
I don't sound my like butt for where I was
the day before and how a little sleep I gotten
like I was like crying and eating pizza the day before,
not knowing I was going to be singing, Oh I'm
traveling fifteen hours. But so I was like, well for that, okay, sure,
But it was more about the energy of it, the performance,

(23:05):
the spontaneity. It wasn't like I was like, probably not
going to produce a Grammy Award winning vocal on this,
on this, but but then like by winner takes at All,
I felt strong and open And what was the craziest
guess they gave for you this season? Who did they
say they thought you were? That You're like what Dolly Parton?
And I know why because my voice was like trilly

(23:26):
and fluttery at the beginning because I was so tired
so and I have a very fast vibrato. Sometimes it's
just like like it does that true? And I think
I did like a no no no no no no
no no. I like this, I did like a storyteller.
But I'm like, okay, the body type. Clearly that was
not Dolly, but that was a good one. Um, I

(23:47):
love that, Ken, said Sarah Jessica Parker. I was like, listen,
I feel that, and just like that should have me
come on as Sarah's Carrie Bradshaw's long lost sister. I think,
don't you see it? So I was kind of happy.
I was like, thank you for that, Ken, But yeah,
that was probably the funniest guest. Yeah, how fun. I've
had several friends that are on that show and they

(24:10):
just had such a blast. It really really is. I
mean this is now two seasons a year. It's so
popular righting seasons now. Now, now I wouldn't mind going
to doing it in like another country where I do
prepare because now I know a little bit, because it
really isn't every country. And again, shouldn't be saying any
of this because it would give away if like, you know,

(24:32):
people then think them, you know, did you get to
tour the world Japan back in the eighties, like when
you you know, first released your music, did you do
outside America much? Or did they keep you here in
the States. So I did, like the one big go around,
I did more promo in like Europe, but I did
concerts in the UK, a lot of Asia. Like even

(24:54):
up to like five years ago, I've done a lot
of Asia, some South America. Australia I have not and
back to Australian over thirty years, which I can't believe.
But I feel like I'm in the beginning of this
new chapter that started a few years ago with the
mixtape tour, and it's been so incredible for me and I.
You know, we're just like slowly rebuilding my touring story.

(25:14):
I say we, my manager, Heather and I were like
Thelma and Louise out in the world, just keeping getting
it going again, keeping it going. And it's been amazing
because like the shows I did last year, I was
on stage for like two two and a half hours
a night, just me singing, dancing, but then doing like
acoustic taking requests. It's just been a really great communing

(25:37):
time with my audience. Like there's it's just a connectedness
that I feel that I love. Yeah, your fans are
great and you're just a true musician and it just
shows thank you everything that you do. The mixtape tour
so great. How did that come about? When did you
first you know, start thinking about that that came up.
So I was on the set of a Hallmark movie,

(25:58):
did a couple of Hallmark movies and I on set
and my manager was there and she was like, we
got a really fun call today. And then Donnie called
and talked through the creative with me, and then he
was like, and Joe has a question. Because at that
point I was like, of course, sign me up and
that he was like, Joe has a question, but he
really wants to call you and ask you. Can I
give you give him your number and I'm like yeah.

(26:19):
So he called and he's like, um, how would you
like to share your biggest number one hit with me?
And I was like, I've never thought of doing that
song as a duet. But hello, you're Joey McIntyre the audience.
As a teenager, you must have been a fan of
New Kids on the Block. Oh yeah, yeah, I was.
How weird is that to be? Like, Oh, now I'm
like working with someone that I really yeah, I mean

(26:41):
like I was a fan. And also we had cross
paths enough that we were all like peers. But like
Joey and I always talk about when we met in
the dressing room at Westbury music Fair and he's only
two years younger than me, but when you are a
high school senior, he felt so much younger. And he was,
oh my god, you were like this cool senior girl.

(27:02):
And I had seen you on the American Music Awards
with the white piano at all the right And but
then when we did Lost in Your Eyes together on
the mixtape tour, it was so magical and a lot
of people didn't want spoiler alerts, so they didn't know
he was going to come walking out. Ah, get we
get a glass. I mean I joked that grown women
were weeping and I was one of them. I was
at the piano like, oh my god, because he was.

(27:25):
It was magical. It was like he was born to
give that song a second life, a new chapter. And
then we did Vegas shows together. They all got to
collaborate so much more in the future. Yeah, and I
want to do more. I love it. You're a great duo,
like great great performers mixtape tour, So is that are
they going to continue that good? They do it every
two years. Yeah. Salt Salton Pepper, Naughty My Nature are

(27:49):
pretty much always on and then they rotate the more
like mainstream pop acts like Rick Astley did it last year.
I love Rick. Yeah, but see, like for you, you're
used to the group dynamic. I've always been a solo
show unless I'm hired to do like a theater show.
So I've never had a partner in crime. For like,
it was interesting because there's as you know, there's creative negotiating,

(28:11):
there's but like, the thing I loved about sharing the
stage with Joe is that. So I can't tell you
how many people said to me, like, you're doing a
Vegas show. I want to write it. I go, what
do you mean? You don't? Nobody writes what I say
on a stage as me, like what and he's to
say we our banter was off the rails because both

(28:33):
of us just say whatever comes to her, and it was.
It was just it was really electric and really magical
for us. I love that. All right, Let's go back
to eighty seven. Only in my dreams that comes a
huge hit song. By the way, eighty seven is my
favorite year ever because I think the best music and
the best movies came out in eighty seven. I really
do like every time something come up. It was seven. Yeah,

(28:56):
and of course you were the was a good year
for both of us. That's fantastic year, like shoot me
Out Now. So it's a huge hit song, your debut album,
out of the Blue. During all of this, you're still
in high school. You're still going back to try to
finish high school and try to remember my locker cup.
But how why would you even try to do that?

(29:17):
Was that like your mom being like, nope, you have
to finish. No, it's such a really good question. So
I've always just like I always felt kind of freaky
and eccentric, because showbiz kids typically do. But I always
craved being quote unquote normal. Like I always was like, please,
don't think I'm weird and different, even though I was
totally weird and different, but I wanted to be normal.

(29:39):
And I never wanted to, you know, get to my
twenties and go, oh my god, I missed out on
my childhood. So instead I put myself through this tortuous
version of what I thought was on normal high school experience.
But it wasn't. But I could say I was there.
I could say I was there, I did it. I
could say I graduated with my class, and I could
say it was anything but normal. Did they did they

(30:02):
support you? Or were there kids that were mean to
you I mean or I mean, you're Debbie Gibson at
this point their fans now in the high school, right,
So I like, it's funny I'm flashing it being in
the owl mask because that perspective of I was like
sitting back within myself, peering out at everybody acting differently
around me. For the most part, except the there was

(30:22):
like the group of ten probably the people who were
on your text read like the people who are still
in my life. They were like because they they knew
how hard I was working behind the scenes to make
things happen, and they knew. They just they just didn't
see me as different. They were excited for me and
the ones to keep it down to earth, they keep
yes and still do um. And so there were But

(30:43):
then there were people that I that were too cool
for me that suddenly were inviting me to their parties.
Then there were people I thought were my friend that
just couldn't handle what was going on with me and
turned on me. You've changed and yeah. I was like, yeah,
I know, you've changed. Um And And so I very
vividly remember this happening because that happened all the time.
Where I would be walking down and I was in

(31:03):
constant fight or flight, like anxiety mode. I could feel
the nerves in my body like oh, because I felt
on display. And so I was like going, I'm here
to be normal. I'm here to be normal. And so
I would be turning a corner and I'd hear someone
go only in my dreams, oh you think you're so
great whatever, And I would always take a deep breath
and turn back around the corner and say, Hi, if

(31:24):
you have something to say, please say it to my face.
And it gave me a bit and I was petrified
on the end. I was shaking, but I had to
stand up for myself. And it's like what happens on
social media now where people are they're around that corner
mocking you, right, And it's like it trained me for
the world now because and it makes me really feel
for young artists, especially young I say young everybody really

(31:47):
nobody wants that much unsolicited feedback, right, like people get
on social media, but especially young people. And I'm going
to say especially young girls. Yeah, you know, you could
already have so many cruel people out there, but something
about teenagers can be really cruel. Oh, it's so bad. Oh,
it's so bad, and people don't know. And by the way,
I've gone to my reunions. I went to my last

(32:07):
reunion whenever it was what year is this what year?
Four years ago? And everyone grew up and everyone was
lovely to me, and everyone was like, I've been rooting
for you. I always follow you and root for you,
and like, so people have matured and they have their lives,
and the thing is now they're happy. So like my

(32:28):
sister and Michelle like used to like, you know, I
think she said it to me even recently, like I
wouldn't want your life, but like at some point in
childhood maybe she did. Or people think they want your life,
and then when they see the level of commitment and
the level of insanity, they're like, oh, yeah, I'm good

(32:48):
being a stay at home mom, You're a good being.
In showbiz, I'm good being you know, whatever they're doing.
And you know, there were all their career, so yeah,
people grow out of that. All. Let's like a little
break right here, and we come back. We got to
talk about feuds because you went through something that I
also went through too. We'll get to that, right and

(33:21):
we're back all right. So feud time, the whole Backstreet
in sync thing, right, It's you know, kind of fun.
It keeps you, you know, motivated to be better. But
you know it was kind of manufacted. It's manufactured, right.
It did keep us apart. We never really saw the guys,
and yeah, we would be very competitive, which made us better.

(33:43):
Like I said, but you kind of had this thing
also with Tiffany, just because two young girls come out
and you know at the same time, they kind of
put this feud between you guys. Did you ever feed
into that or like, did that ever affect you at
such a young age? I really I just was like,
similarly to those high school experiences. I was just like,

(34:06):
why are people trying to be mean? And why are
people trying to make me be mean to another girl?
And do you think it was like record label that
was trying to do this too. I think it's a
publicity machine. Yeah, right. You know. It was like everyone
loves a good competition, So like team magazines loved the
do you like better yes or no? They like poles
and it really does build these fandoms out there. Those

(34:27):
like Brittany people were like I was always Team Debbie
and I'm like, you're not making me feel good by
saying you were anti my friends. And by the way,
this was the other confusing thing. I'm like, you can
own multiple records and like multiple socks. Why are we
picking You could love one hundred artists, you could love
a million artists, and one gets to be number one

(34:47):
every single week of the year. Yeah, like there's room
for all of us. That's how I always felt, and
I always felt like she and I were so different,
like we had different roots, different musical roots. And we
did play it out though. In our hit Sci Fi
I remember that Mega Python versus Gatoroid where we did
a like Dynasty ask food fight. I remember you get

(35:11):
in a fight. Yeah, we do a big food fight
scene and we were under a table having like just
thrown pies at each other's in hot dresses, giggling. We
were just like, oh my god, this is so because
people were always like, we want you to collaborate. No,
we didn't collaborate on a song we did. We were
like food. Yeah, we were like, let's just do the
most insane kid cheaping we could. Possibly the first time

(35:32):
they would actually you know, hung out. I mean that
was like probably the most time we'd spent together, and
then we did I think it was after that we
did a tour together. And we're kind of like the
sisters who know how different they are. So we'll get
together and we'll be like, you know, and we can
bond and connect and then we'll be like, Okay, you're
going about your life now and I'm going about my life,

(35:54):
and we're super different, but we are very different, like
I mean your personalities, everything about yours. Like, but I
could see this sisterhood. We have a sisterhood. We do.
We support one another. And yeah, I just always remember too,
like my mom being protective over her because my mom
was like, oh my god, I hate that there's this
young girl on the road without a female with her. Yea.

(36:15):
She was always very like bothered by that. And so
if she would remember being in the UK and Tiffany
wasn't feeling well, I remember my mom really I'm literally
going to cry, but I remember my mom literally putting
her arm around her, saying like if you need anything,
I'm here's everyone's mom. She felt that way, she really did. Yeah,
and she's a mother of four girls, so to see

(36:35):
a girl by herself a year younger than me in
a foreign country without a female figure with her, was
like hard for her to watch. Yeah, And speaking of
your mom, and she was very instrumental and fighting for
you to produce your own music right from the beginning
and writing that. How important was that for you as
a new artist And were you even thinking about that

(36:56):
at such a young age. I mean, it was important
for me. And I'll tell you why. I'm going to
go back to that song you mentioned, I Come from
America from the radio contest because Celine Dion was big
in Canada. There were these these record company people in
Canada that flew me and my mom out and wanted
to record I Come from America. But in a different style.

(37:17):
It went from like a samba tune to man eater.
It was like dun dud, I come from America. Come.
And I was like, I walk into the studio and
I'm like, what is this song? Because my songwriter heart
was like, I Come from America is not a hit
radio song. It's a samba salsa song that won a

(37:40):
radio contest. And I always said, as a producer served
the song, you don't try to make it something it's not.
It's weird to me, and so I always had a
vision for what I wanted something to sound like, and
so she was protecting that vision, which was so amazing
to me. I mean, to have that musicality at such

(38:03):
it took me years in the studio to really understand
how to produce a song, and just by living it,
I mean, being just so new right out of the gate,
and you just already knew exactly how a song should
be presented. I could hear, I still do. I hear arrangements,
I hear string lines, I hear so it's a matter
of like just getting them out and communicating them to
whether you're working with a string arranger or the horn

(38:25):
section or the programmer. So I was very empowered by realizing,
like all is that it's communicating to people what you're
hearing in your head. And by the way, you don't
even need to be a musician. If you can kind
of hum the vague melody, then the arranger can take
that and go oh this, and you can go no,

(38:45):
make that no, go up. More So, like I like
to take the mystery out of it for people to
empower them to say, like, if you're an artist and
you hear something in your head try to find people
who are going to support that and not go Well,
you can't do because you didn't go to Berkeley, you
know what I mean. Like, there's plenty of people in
their garages right now proving that theory wrong. Well, and

(39:09):
records are meant to be beaten, right, and you still
hold the record two times over the youngest person to write,
produce everything a number one song on the Billboard charts.
Are you surprised that that record hasn't been broken because
of all this young talent that people are being trained
now at three years old, I know, I know. Yeah,
I'm the youngest female still, Soldier Boy became the youngest male.

(39:32):
But I feel like our birthdays were like a couple
of months apart. You know, Kissy through the phone, which
was great, and I think he really did that record
in his garage by himself and all that, and it
was a great record. And yeah, so like being the
youngest female, and of course we have our Taylor Swifts
who started super young, and and our Billy Eilish is

(39:53):
rigo Billy Eilish, but yeah, they're doing it by itself.
Like here's the thing. So I remember in a meeting
with a publishing company because I was like, I want
to write for other people, and they're like, here's the truth.
People don't like. It's so weirdly hard for people to
accept that people can write a song by themselves anymore,
Like it happens in country, Like sure Richard Marks is

(40:16):
still doing it, but like very few people do it,
and they've kind of almost brainwashed people. The system has
told people like you need to have twelve people in
your room to write songs. It's weird. It's kind of
unfair because if you know these three people, you're just
on the beaverse. You're doing this course over here, and
then they bring like the best of the best of

(40:38):
just those little elements of a song. I'm like, well
that's cheating now. Listen. I wrote like I wrote a
scene in my Hallmark movie about this, because I play
this like the pop star fallen on hard times, teaching
music to kids, and I'm telling the kids, oh yeah,
the girl walking by delivering coffee goes hey, and they're like,
you're a writer on the song. We're using it right,
and so but the top to bottom melody chre sitting

(41:00):
at a piano in the room by yourself thing is
like more rare than I ever thought. And listen, my
ego loves holding this record. I get to hear the
voice of God before my concerts. Oh, youngest female and
music history. And I'm like, somebody please break my record.
I keep saying I want to do a show called
come on, Let's produce a call break my record. Yeah,

(41:21):
I would love to mentor the next little girl. That's
a great idea gonna break that record because you know
I'm good. I'm good handing off, I'm good passing and
talking about that after the break, you have my number?
All right? Sorry, I mean I could talk to you
for like fifty hours, so to me too. We'll do
a part two. Yeah, we do need to um, but

(41:42):
I do have some questions from fans out there that
I need to ask you. All right, So, uh, this
is from Darling Nikki. Do you have a favorite song
you wrote but another artist recorded? Oh? So I remember
writing a song. You're saying, like, has another art has
recorded one of my songs? So there's been a few

(42:03):
that um. Uh. Like there's an artist named Anna who
was on Columbia years ago, Latin artist uh, and I
wrote a few for her that I really loved. There
was a song called friendly I don't want to be
a love of do wanna be just friends? Rules well
meant break, rules meant a bit. I'm like, I haven't

(42:24):
thought of this song in thirty years, but since and
you can't, let's just let's not take it so let's
be friendly, friendly well friendly. Um that was a fun one. Um,
Oh my god. I wrote a song for the group
the Party on the Group Party called ton of britsh
which is and Tiffany Damon sang lead on my song.

(42:47):
I loved working with them. Um. So yeah, there's there's
a there's several that I've written. There's an artist name
Joe Beth Taylor in Australia that I wrote for UH
some of her songs that I really loved. So yeah,
you still remember the choreography for Electric Youth video. This
is from Amy Tribes. I love that Amy Tribes I do,
and I do a lot of the original choreography on tour.

(43:08):
Still like I do a mash up with the song
feel it's still an Electric Youth, so it's like dump
dump dune on it. You know. That's like the uh kids,
how do we do a mashup? But then we go
into like the full blown chorus of Electric Youth and
we do the og. But it took me like a
week to learn that choreography from Barry Later, the choreographer,

(43:29):
like the dancers, aren't it in a day. But I'm
a slow choreography learner. That's a fun fact. I'm not
as type as he thinks. All right, so give us
some frostages. By the way, you're our first non boy
bander on the show. Yes, first extra frosting. Okay, do
you know what I love about this so much? I'm
feeling a universe message coming to me because I've always

(43:50):
wanted to make Rosemary Clooney's biography Girl Singer into a
movie because Rosemary Clooney was the only girl invited to
hang out with the rat Pack. Yes she was, and
I'm that girl. I feel like I'm that You're the
new Rosemary Clooney. I'm at like, you know, similar career
with the acting and the music. And they started at sixteen.

(44:12):
She was on the road with her sister. I mean
it is. Yeah, she did have a big dramatic meltdown
like later in her life, which, by the way, I
also understand, Well, you're just coming I'm sure maybe I'll
just play that out in the Rosemary Clooney movie. And
I tend to like so when I feel that breakdown
moment coming on, I tend to retreat. I go, oh god,

(44:33):
I'm about to fall apart me get me away from
my phone and things. Before we let you go, we
need to know what you're binging, watching, listening to right now.
Give us some tips out there of what we should
be binging on TV right now. Oh my god, well
the mass singer. Obviously, I'm trying to think. Okay, this
is a fun one. And this is not recent, but

(44:53):
I watched all thirteen episodes of the Spanish telenovella Cable Girls. Oh,
I've heard about that the English dubbing like voice artists
are amazing, Like they did an amazing job. So I'm
going to just suggest if you really want to go
deep and it's a it's a it's an investment. And
then I recently watched the movie The Wife Um and

(45:18):
Jonathan Price Yeah, and I was like, this is one
of the most phenomenally written and active and close movies
I've ever seen in my life. And musically Blessing Offer. Yes,
his real first name is Blessing. It's O F O R.
I can't remember how or where I heard him, but
I actually had a phone conversation with him the other

(45:40):
day because I DMed him, and I'm like, I'm obsessed
with you. Go to Nashville and work with him. He's
like in the Christian lane, but he's much, He's beyond.
He's like a real storyteller, soul singer, um pianist, songwriter.
Do you get to Nashville a lot because it's like
the writing capital? I know I don't, but I'm really
do for a trip there, but Blessing is going to

(46:01):
be the one to bring me back there. I'm actually
going this weekend. Oh my god, I'm going to the
Randall opreed. It's gonna be so much fun. Well, my love,
it has been so great to catch up with amazing.
I know we love having you. Like I said, you
are our first honorary member of this not so secret
boy band Society. Exactly will be in the mail record

(46:23):
the first female might not make actually do have frosted
tips a breakage from recently getting it done too many times? Well,
congratulations on all your continued success. Like you said, I
do feel like a whole new chapter is starting for you,

(46:44):
and I cannot wait to see what you're doing in
the future. Congratulations as singer, and uh yeah, I can't
wait to see you do the Rosemary Clooney movie because
that needs to happen. That needs to happen. And I
need to do manager and play my mother. Yeah that
might be big. Like I want to win an oscar
on behalf of my mother because she was a powerhouse

(47:04):
and I was there so I can play her. You're
so creative, you can make it happen. It's it's like
a big It's like there's like a five year plan
happening for all the ideas churning, but too many ideas.
But you know who cares. I'm going I'm wrong. Love,
thank you? How can I love? Be in touch with
you out there? Um oh at Debbie Gibson everywhere on
social media and Debbie Gibson Official dot com. See if

(47:25):
my body remembers Encore Tours coming to a city near you,
and if not, just up a flight because it's a
great time. But it's worth it. It is worth it,
all right, Get you out there, Okay, Love you too, boy,
Miss Debbie Gibson. What a great woman. What a treat
she is. She was growing, she probably used snail buggers

(47:47):
on her face. Well, I mean she does look hazing.
I mean she looks like she's in her twenties. It's ridiculous.
So she might she might have like the founder youth,
might be snail juice, Yeah, snail burgers. Shouldn't we miss
copper tunity to see if she knew all about that?
And then we forgot to ask her, and then she
gets real upset, like, how did you? How did you
know my secret? Now I'm sure sleep with snails on

(48:08):
my face. He's going to write the jingle for the product,
make it more writing. I've totally forget about how she's
such a great writer, especially as a kid. She's perfect
for poofoo. This whole show is going to be written
by all of our guests on this show. I kind
of really liked her America song. I know, I know.
All right, guys, that's all the show I have for
you today. Thanks so much for listening to our very

(48:28):
special extra frosting episode. Um and yet, I don't know
who's on the next shop, but we'll see. It's gonna
be a surprise. It won't be such a surprise because
we're gonna announce it on our Instagram account, which you
can follow, Frosted Tips with Lance and then of course, uh,
what's your Michael Urchin art? Well, yeah, she right, yeah
it is. You had to think about it a little bit.

(48:49):
I've had a little bit too much coffee. I have
to say. Okay, yeah, oh gosh, enough, all right, be
good to each other, don't drink and drive out there,
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