October 14, 2024 • 56 mins
Filling in for Lance this week are 'One Tree Hill' alums Tyler Hilton and Robert Buckley... and it's a magical episode!
In this wand-erful chat, Robert reveals he grew up with a 'magic room' in his house full of thousands of dollars worth of illusions and props! His stories of being a magician during his most awkward years and performing at birthday parties leave Tyler totally spellbound!
Plus, they both share how they got into acting, including Tyler's first movie role that almost didn't happen until a random run-in with Joaquin Phoenix changed his course! And, of course, they talk about their fondest memories of being on 'One Tree Hill!'
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Frosted Tips with Lance bass An iHeartRadio podcast.
Hey everybody, welcome to the Frosted Tips Podcast. Unfortunately Lance
isn't here today he is away at Magic Camp for
grown ups. So today you have guest hosts Robert Buckley
and Tyler Hilton.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
How are you, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm doing good man. I'm glad we got to do this.
We needed to catch up anyway, it had been a.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Few days we did. We thought, you know what, not
only do we need to catch up, but we should
probably subject thousands of people to it as well.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes, the only thing better than catching up is letting
everybody listen to us catch up.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I think here's my first question for you. Do you
think Lance is more of a slide of hand magician
or like parlor magic, like bigger stage illusions.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Ooh, I think the bigger stage illusions like tigers and
can we say, I.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Don't know, but we just did. We did.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, but they can bleeve a bit of out.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I agree, I think so still and okay, you know
what I mean. He's a showman, so I think he
would be big stage illusions.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That is a personality type, someone who does like sly
cards between you know, other situa, other things going on
in the day, and other people that are like, no,
you got to come to my show tonight. Have you
ever been to the Magic Castle, by the way.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well, funny you should say that, yes, we were members
for a very long time. Because I don't know if
you know this about me. I actually grew up a magician,
no way, And I did parlor magic that was much like.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
What age like, is it like or like until like
the age of thirty or something.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No, No, it's hilarious in hindsight, like I picked the
most awkward years of my life, like the painfully uncomfortable
years of my life to choose magic. Like I already
hadn't hit puberty, had no luck with girls, and I thought,
you know what would help this dumpster fire of a
social slash love life. I should add being a magician
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into the mix.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I did the same thing. I was flailing around looking
for things to make me cool, magic, playing the clarinet.
Nothing was really catching, you know, and I was like, oh,
working on and playing guitar.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Wait, did you actually try magic?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh? Yeah, Like I was up until like the age
of twelve a magic guy like I didn't know we
were talking about like kid phase. But yes, all the
magic kits, the magic books, and I was a big juggler, big.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Jog yeah you listen, you got Did you do the circuits?
Did you ever do birthday parties or perform for money?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No? No, I didn't ever did the parks. I juggled
in the park all the time, but never like did
you do that? Like you?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, I have business cards. In fact, I wish maybe
at the end of the episode. I don't know if
the show airs on YouTube or not, but if it does,
I will get my business card out and I'll show
it to you so that you can see in the
viewer at home.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
You have it on you like with you.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Still, Yes, I keep I keep two business cards in
my wallet at all times. One is my business card
from when I was a magician. It says magic by Robert,
has a little caricature of me doing an illusion to
illusions with a rabbit. And my business card from when
I was a consultant. Uh, just because you know it,
just it feels funny to me to still have that
(03:24):
in my wallet. But yeah, So I actually used to
do birthday parties, church functions. I had a whole I
mean I had a sixty minute show, but my typical
performance was like a tight thirty Like wow, No, you
definitely took it to another level that I did.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's super cool. Like what was your what was like?
What did it all build towards? Like what was the
thing you were like, Oh, they're gonna love this, Like
did you animals and stuff?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Or was it cards or I never did animals? No,
I never did animals because that's a whole Like you
take that homework with you. Now you're caring, like you're
caring for a pet. It's also it's sort of like
acting too just makes everything harder, Like so you have
an animal in a scene, you know how, it's like
everything is slower, more labor intensive. Magic is the same,
Like you really want a pain in the ass, like
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have a dove in your act and like care for
a dove.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So I never did animals, but like I said, I
did some parlor tricks. So I did like stage illusions
and I would say some of my bigger tricks, I
had a mail bag escape where I would get locked
inside of a mail bag and get out within sixty seconds.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh so you have own the equipment to pull this off.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Oh yeah, we still have a room in our house
and my parents' house called the Magic Room with probably
dude at least fifteen thousand dollars and like illusions from it.
Because my dad focused on close up magic, so he
did more like card stuff and then I did the
bigger stuff. So we have a room that's I mean yeah,
like sighing in half. No, you know where you put
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the person's head in a box and you jam like
twelve daggers or torches through it it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Did you get your parents to how do you talk
to your parents about like buying that kind of equipment?
Like did you make the money off magic and put
it back into your magic act? You're like mom and
dad christ you get me head.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It was a weird string of events where we had
a local magic shop and they were in need of
some like administrative just business help to run their business,
to streamline things. My dad was smart enough to realize
he could do that, and he said, I got an idea,
how about not only will I help you streamline your company,
(05:40):
but you don't have to pay me cash, you can
pay me in product. And they were like great, So
no joke, I mean we had a room custom Bill
where one entire wall is just drawers and you open
a drawer and there will be probably sixty tricks lined up,
you know. And so that's how we and he like
ran their news for him. So as this kid is
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a magician, all of a sudden's have having to get
like a kit. I had a room like with a
three and then my dad retired from his job and
briefly managed one of the best close up magicians in
the world. So then the room was built into a
magic studio where like we have a three way mirror
because three way mirrors are helpful whence you can see
yourself from all the different angles to make sure you're
like you're performing a trick. Well, whoa lighting, so we
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could shoot videos for the guy in there. Yeah, my
family went in on magic.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I am so glad that Lance asked us to do
this podcast for this reason. And if this is all
we talk about for the rest of my life, it'll
let alone this podcast, it'll be like worthwhile. I cannot
believe this. Wait, So I have like a million questions,
But did you were you into magic before your dad
started working for this magic shop?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Like ye?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Like, oh, my god gold mine. So you were into
magic and then this this opportunity came along where you
get access to all this amazing equipment.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, I remember were going to the fair, the La
County Fair, and there there was always that one booth,
the magician guy, right, and you'd go by and he
would do, you know, the moving coins or the floating
scar if he had these tricks he would do and
imember loving it. And that was kind of where it
all started, and then it grew. And then I think
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because my dad was a bit of a showman. I
mean he was on the original Mickey Mouse Club and
so he was already a fanan of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
But yeah, as a magician or like as an actor singer.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
No, they had something called Talent round Up Day and
he got asked to be on because I think my
dad played like seven different instruments and in between my
brother and I we played zero. So unfortunately the music
gene skipped a generation. We didn't get the gift you have.
But they kept inviting him on to play music, and finally,
I think after the third time, they're like, how about
you just finished the season with us. So he has
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all these stories of like going to birthday parties, Walt
Disney's house, and like getting to do cool things behind
the scenes. So all that to say, I think we
were already kind of primed as a family to dive
headfirst into like theatrical, performative weird stuff. No way, crazy
(08:20):
to think that I went to College of virgin the
kid who was knee deep in d and d in
magic went to College of virgin.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh my gosh, I don't even know where to begin.
And you guys all still have this stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, I get still at their house.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, when's the last time you did a trick like you?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Ironically enough, I did a movie I developed and then
did a movie with Hallmark based on my family's tradition
of we used to decorate the heck out of our
house is called the Christmas House. And because I was
writing about my childhood and myself and a lot of ways,
even though we fictionalized the character, he was a magician
as a kid. And part of it was that I
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do a magic show like with this younger boy. So
I actually had to go on stage and do a
couple tricks. That was probably there's a card trick all
occasionally do I still remember one card trick to this
day that I can occasionally do. But other than that, none.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Does it say with you like like do you have
to practice it? Like? Could you could if we went
into that room now, could you just do it all
for me? Or would you have to like you know
what I mean, if you had to put together a
half hour, would you have to practice a bit?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Oh my gosh, I have to practice a ton? Here's
the difference, right, So close up magic is it's incredibly
skill based. That is a learned art. You have to
really practice and hone your craft at that, right Whereas
parlor Remember I didn't have.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
The talent for it. I remember it was really tough.
It is.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
See, that's the thing. It's like truly it is its
own specific skill set, whereas the bigger illusions are ten
percent ninety percent presentation. So in other words, the trick
itself is just maybe a thirty second gimmick. So it
is it is incumbent upon you to be a showman
and stretch it into four minutes worth of storytelling. Close up,
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isn't that? Close up is like I can just do
some wildly dope shit with these cards that you're not
gonna believe, and it's only because I am so skilled
with my hands, and I've practiced these motions so many times.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Why and what? So? Which which one were you? Was
your specialty?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Shocker? I was the parlor where it's like, don't need
much skill, just gotta be able to talk. So wow,
you know, because I was a thirty minute show, is
like maybe five minutes of illusions, you know, but it's
thirty because everything has a story around it, you know,
And yeah, everything.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Would you bring the equipment to like a birthday party?
Would you go to a trailer or van or something
like there are there boxes and crates and stuff or what.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I remember? I remember doing a buddy's birthday party. No,
and not wasn't like crates, but it was, yeah, a
couple of bags worth of stuff. So you didn't travel with.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
This, with the headsaw thing or those kind of things like.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
No, no, no, I wouldn't travel with those. When I
did bigger functions, I would then bring a couple of those.
But I remember doing a buddy's birthday party. And again
I chose like the most awkward period of adolescents to
become a magician. And I remember all of my buddies
like sitting up in the back watching me and at
that uncomfortable age, just going, ah, this doesn't this doesn't
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feel like the coolest thing I could be doing right now,
you know. And I wasn't confident and comfortable enough of
myself to be like I don't care. I was like
painfully aware of them watching as I like, you know,
turned bubbles into like a clear marble and was like,
but look at this, you.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Know, did you have a name? Was it you just
magic by Rob?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
It was just magic by Robert, magic by Rob. Yeah,
one of that too. Welcome to those of you who
are just tuning in. It's the Magic Hour with Tyler
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Hilton and Rob Buckley.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Have you talked about this much before.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Never in this much detail. No, this isn't exclusive for
the Frosted Tips audience.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I don't feel like I'm being I'm like being like
being overly shocked by that. I think this is like,
this is unbelievable. I had no idea. And it's so
funny that you turned into such a prince, because it's like,
it's so funny that, like that is really wild. I
would have thought, you know, I think a lot of
people would have thought maybe you were like throwing the
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football in the front yard and like, you know, I
don't know, doing bench presses in the driveway and instead.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You yeah, no, no, no, the opposite. I got my
I got my varsity letter in high school by being
the announcer for the baseball team. No, no, yeah, which
is also hilarious because I didn't hit puberty until I
was about twenty one years old, so I'm sure I
had the most high like high pitch, squeaky voice imaginable.
(13:11):
But yeah, I didn't play it sports. I was mouth
on one tree hill. Yeah, seriously, I was not a jock.
I mean, I played soccer all my life, but even
then I was like, h six day week commitment. I'm good. Nah,
I'll do pods and D and D and magic.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I'm not surprised, though, because you and I are similar
in so many ways, and we didn't even know this
until we started to become friends. But I'm not shocked
that you dabbled in the magic arts.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, No, there's so much about what you're
saying that I was just I was so close to
getting into. In fact, if I had been a little
better or my dad was you know, able to have
the inside scoop on some of that equipment, and I
don't know, might have gone differently, but no, I was
definitely into it. I tried it. I definitely tried it.
I got really into it. Do you remember those books,
(14:02):
like those Klutz books like Klutz Magic for the Complete
Klutz or Juggling for the Complete Clutz. Did you ever
get out familiar Owing Magic for the Complete Clay. It
was like before like Dummies Guide to Computers or whatever. Anyway,
I was like obsessed with these Klutz books and they
like taught me how to do magic juggle. Oh my god,
(14:25):
I just remember this, And even though all my family
were musicians, it really wasn't. It wasn't until I can't
believe I'm omitting this. I read Acoustic Guitar for the
Complete Klutz. It was like the fourth book they put out,
and it, like all of a sudden, clicked to me. Weirdly.
I ended up moving schools, moved to Palo Alto in
northern California, and I found out this is after I
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was a huge Klutz book fan, and I knew their
headquarters was in Palo Alto. The kid in my class
in my seventh grade class, his dad was the Klutz founder,
and he came to my birthday party that year and
he brought me an unreleased Klutz book and I got
to meet the dude. It was like, like, what are
the chances? Isn't that weird?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, actually it was the coin one that he brought
me for my birthday. Anyway, that all just I literally
just remembered all that right now. But anyway, that was
how I got into coin magic for a second.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
With well, this is actually I mean, I don't even
know if that chain of books is still out. They
may have been usurped by for Dummies, but this is
a good endorsement for them, considering you clearly have learned
how to play acoustic guitar quite well. In fact, you
have made a career out of it. They things so.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, thank you Klutz books, and they explained things so well,
including like I remember fingerpicking I learned from that book.
It's a really hard thing to teach, but really education
in general, it's so amazing. If you can break something
down into the right parts, you could really teach somebody anything.
I remember when I learned how to juggle from these books,
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being like, oh my god, I am a nobody dumb kid,
and now I can juggle three balls Like that was
unbelievable to me at the end of a book. Do
you know what I'm saying? Because it seems like you're
defining the laws of physics when you're juggling, you know,
like when I learned it, I don't know, seven, eight, nine, ten,
something like everything happens at the age of ten in
my mind. But it was like, who knows how to juggle?
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That's reserved for like wizards and you know whatever. And anyway,
I learned how to do it from this book and
guitar and other things too.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
But crazy, I think we should have a reality show
of you and I getting back into the world of
magic and performance magic and watching us as we ramp
up for our first show.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Oh my god, Like we have to be in the duo.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It's usually a guy in a gal but let's just switch.
Let's just be two dudes up there doing magic together.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
What's wrong with a couple buddies doing magic together?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Nothing? Has anyone seen a magical accenter around romance? Well?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
What about Freed and Roy? Are they brothers or were
they dating?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think they were a life partner or was.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
That ohka, I think romance magic.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Listen, it's gonna happen bench Mark.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
We have another idea.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
If you like Christmas movies, you're gonna love this two
forty year old men learning magic movie.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, I'm gonna saw my bro in half. I love that.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
How old were you the first time you uh performed
music for an audience that wasn't related to you?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
So my uncles were musicians, and so I would get
up and sing with them and I would. I was
like in elementary school or something, and I just wanted
to do it so bad. I think I just wanted
to I liked performing. It wasn't that I wanted the attention.
It was like I had a lot of respect for performers.
I know it sounds like dumb, but like I really
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I thought magicians were I thought it was like a
noble vibe, you know. I thought jugglers and circus performers.
I thought, I've always thought artists and performers. I thought
that was such a noble pursuit. I really did, And
I appreciated the people who had the courage to do
it so much. And my uncles were all musicians, and
I think a part of me thought I'd never be
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as good as them, so what's the point. I should
find my own lane. So I started in other avenues, magic, juggling,
and then it was like the music thing was too
strong of a pull and I was too natural at
it to ignore it, and I was just kind of
down to do whatever came naturally to me. And I
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was really surprised at how natural music came. Magic didn't
as well as much, you know. But yeah, elementary school,
I was getting up and singing my daughter. I noticed
she has a great air and I could hear her
singing along to the radio perfectly in tune, and I
think that's the way I will. And so when they
were getting me up to sing, I just thought they
would be nice. But I think I actually could sing well,
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and that was novel to them, and so I was like,
I was lucky that I got to do that.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Do you remember the first time you realized you were
good at it? Did you ever have a moment where
you were doing it and went, oh, I think I'm
people aren't just being nice. I think I'm good at this.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Well, that's such a good question. That's such a good question.
I got to be honest with you, like I don't
think I felt like I was good until way after
I was signed and I was doing things like I
think that, like I didn't feel like I had the control.
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Now I don't even think about it, like when I'm
asked this performer, when I perform, I have the confidence
to do it, like I have the confidence to speak
English or something. I just don't think about it. I
just do it. But it took me forever hearing people
say like, wow, you're good to be like really like
in a lot of ways, I felt like if you
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just take anyone up the street who's like singing in
the car, imagine someone just tells you, wow, you're really
good enough times you start to believe him, and I
kept I was shocked that people said that to me.
I could not believe that for the longest time, well
after I was signed, Like people be like wow, like
we like your song or why we want to sign you,
or wow, this record is good or whatever it is,
and I'd always in the back of my head be
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going like no way, no way, you know, yeah, and
then I'd be like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know
what I mean. But I'd always be like, I can't
believe this is working. This is so funny to me, But.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Have you ever heard that? Apparently John Travolta's parents were
wildly complimentary of him as all of his life growing up,
you know, always received a lot of validation and a
lot of praise, so much so that when he got
to Hollywood, apparently this is the story that when he
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wouldn't get an audition, rather than feeling like, oh, I sucker,
I didn't too well, he would just kind of feel like, oh,
that's a bummer. They didn't get me. Like he went
the opposite way where he had received such positive like
positive reinforcement and praise that it was firmly in place
with him that like, I'm I'm good at this, So
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it's not if something didn't work out, he wouldn't go
like I wasn't good enough. He would just go, that's
a bummer for them. Could you imagine that your your
mode of operation? Wouldn't that be lovely?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It would be lovely, It would be lovely. He was
so he is. But he was so good right out
the bat, like in those early movies too, like so confident.
It makes so much sense actually how good he was.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And it's just a great way to be because you know,
why we don't get things is none of our business
and has so little to do with us, you know.
So that what a great way to just like not
get caught up in it, because you know, I love
so many of us. When you're starting off, I mean
even when you're not start even when you're doing this
twenty years, it's like you can easily fall into that
rut of like I wasn't good enough, and it's like, no, man,
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it just wasn't meant to be.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Well.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
How sad for them they made this such such a
big mistake.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I know that he actually it would end with him
having sympathy for them, like, ah, that's a bummer, they're not.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, it's been really good for them.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Did you always want to do acting because obviously music
came first for you, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's funny because I like, I always loved acting and
always like was in plays. I just thought it was
going to be a hobby, Like if I had thought
about how my life was gonna go, I was good
to be a musician, And then I thought it would
be very cool sometimes to maybe even when I'm like
my grandpa was in plays as an old man, like
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local community theater and stuff. And I always thought, what
a cool fun thing to do as a hobby is
to like be in plays. But I always was in plays.
I loved it, and I never thought that I would
be an actor. I don't know why. It was the
weirdest thing. I just knew it was like a family
business or like somehow predestined I was going to be
a musician, even if it wasn't. I wasn't a successful one.
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I was just going to be someone's guitar player, or
I was just going to be a musician, like playing
at bars, like that's just what I was going to do.
And I got lucky because I went to this high
school looking to high school in Palm Springs, and they
had an amazing theater department and the theater teacher at
the time she was there for a short period, was incredible.
And everything at the school, all our plays, starting maybe
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a couple of years before I got there, started winning
all the regional and statewide. I had like awards for things.
It was like, so I entered this kind of like
environment that was super professional, super adult, did not like
care about feelings, and in fact, I don't know what
the situation was, but she got let go a few
(24:15):
years after I left and had something to do with
I think not having kid gloves, you know, on when
she was dealing with high school kids, because it was intense,
like I cried several times. It was like during the
process of being in theater there, it was super super intense.
But I ended up getting all these opportunities, winning awards,
and then I went to the nationals for this National
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Shakespeare competition in New York, and that's how I got
my agent, William Morris, which is so random. And then
I had that agent before I even got signed. So
it was like this whole It was this whole weird
kind of backwards thing that happened. And still I told them.
I was like, well, I'm you know, I'm going to
do this music thing. But yeah, I mean, you know,
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I was. I was naive about it. Was like, yeah,
if you guys want to throw me some auditions, like cool.
I never did anything with it until after I got signed.
They were looking for people to be in the background
for Johnny Cash's band in Walk the Line, and so
my agent was like, Okay, I think I have an
audition you might want to do. You just have to
go in and play a Johnny Cash song and they're
looking for guys just to be in his band. And
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so I went in and they said, oh, you look
like Elvis. Do you do you know any Elvis songs?
And I was like yeah, because he was my favorite.
I played them a bunch of Elva songs and then
I got called back to read lines as Elvis, and
I was like what, Like so it was so weird
because I didn't see that coming and uh, and then
I don't know if I've told you a story, but
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then I got the part and I said no, and
I turned it down because I was like, no, no.
So I've been telling you guys, I'm not like, I'm
not an actor, so don't put me in a movie,
especially like as my hero, Like I'm gonna I don't
want I don't want to mess that up. Like I'm
not here to try to like mess up a movie
that I actually want to see. But I ran into
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Walking Phoenix in a bar randomly, and he like he
recognized me from my audition tape. I was in nobody
and he was like, dude, you tried out for Elvis.
I saw your audition tape. You got to do this movie. Literally,
it's how it happened. I couldn't believe it. And I
was like, and I told him the whole thing. I
was like, oh, but it was a mistake. I went
in for your background band. I'm a musician and they
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asked me to read lines as Elvis and I told
them like, I'm not an actor, like I'm signed to
Warner Brothers. That's like not my thing. And he went
through this whole thing. No res and I are nervous.
We've never played music before. We've been in guitar lessons
for like two years. They're trying to cast musicians as
that as the musicians in the movie. Everyone's gonna be uncomfortable.
You gotta do it. And I was like I already
(26:44):
said no, and he was like, oh, call your agent
and see if it's like a possibility literally, and so
I called my agent and they were like, yeah, it's
still available if you want to do it. I was like,
I just ran into Walking Phoenix at a bar and
he told me, like, I should do this if it's
still available, and they were like, yeah it is. And
that crazy and I was like begging to be an actor.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And then you playing hard to get getting Joaquin Phoenix
begging you to do the movie. That's bonkers, dude, I
didn't know that story. It was.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
It was really wild, and I think they were just
looking for Yeah, they were looking for musicians. So it
was like me Wayland Painning, Shooter Jennings, a guy named
Jonathan Rice, just all these guys would never acted before
and they really wanted that, and and then everything, you know,
and then you know, done a bunch of acting since then,
which is just crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And you know, you had that sexy in difference, Like
it's it's the truth. That's like if you when you
go in not desperate, you know, it's sort of like
when you audition for something when you're already on something
and because the stakes are so low for you, it's
like you end up having a better success rate because
you're not desperately hoping it's gonna work out, because people
can feel it desperation, the fact that you're like I'm good, nah,
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literally like.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Please, I'm telling you, don't put me in. It's like,
you know, it's like when when you're single, like trying
to date a girl, it's like the more you're like, ah, whatever,
I'm not sure I'm into it. They're like, come on,
you know, I know it's so weird that I look
back now and I think, dude, but you know, yeah,
and then you know, and then a bunch of stuff
after that, and I just kept being like no, no, no,
I don't want to do the acting thing. I don't
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want to do that. But I ended up being like
the best time in my life doing that movie. It
was really unbelievable, really special, and Elvis was like my
favorite growing up, and through that movie, I got to
go to Graceland after hours one night, like Lisa Marie
hooked it up so we could all go there at night,
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and I got to like bring my guitar and sit
by his grave and play a bunch of songs at
his gravesite, like in the middle of the night at Graceland,
and I was like, wow, it was actually a good
lesson for me to be like you need to shut
up and just say yes, like, just let the universe
do what the universe is gonna do, and don't try
to like, no, no, this is what I'm don't shape
(28:56):
the bush, you know, just let it grow. Because so
many gifts came from that movie, and I was so
adamant about not being in it and ended up being amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Did you put on an Elvis affect when you read
the lines?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
No? And I was like so into it the thing too.
I was like, Hey, if I'm gonna do this thing,
because Elvis meant so much to me, I was like,
I'm not going to do this Elvis impersonator thing. I'm
going to play a nineteen year old from Memphis, because
that's all he is in this movie. He's not the
king of anything. He's not Elvis Presley. He's just a
nineteen year old from Memphis, you know. And so I
(29:33):
just kept thinking that the whole time, with like the lines,
I had just like nineteen year old kid from Memphis,
and then the wardrobe in the setting and everything else
did the rest of it, you know, But at the
time he didn't know, you know. I think that's what
was charming about him then, is he was just some
dumb kid, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, And you know, at least eighty percent of the
people who came in to read for Elvis, we're laying
on a rig effect. Yeah, you know, it's like playing drunk.
It's like the good people do it with subtlety, you know,
it's so easy to play drunk poorly.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, It's like with.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Something like that, I imagine the bad first take is
going heavy on the on the Elvis, you know, think
of her removed. You know, it's like, yeah, walk that back, guys.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I know I wonder that too. With the Elvis movie,
I actually didn't want to see what's his name do that?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Elvis Butler?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, because I was like, oh, this is gonna be dumb,
and I'm so protective of Elvis, and I was just like,
I don't care. I don't care, and I don't want
to see somebody like cheese it up. And then I
was on a plane and I was like, whatever, let's
just watch five minutes of this. That's my move on
a plane is I'll watch five minutes of every single movie.
I can just five minutes. And I said, a timer,
and I don't know anything about it, just start it
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just to see if it hooks me in. And so
I was like, I'll do five minutes of the Elvis one.
And I was really impressed. I was really into it.
I mean, he won't care, but he should because I
feel like I was a hard critic for that. I
was like, Wow, this kid is really really good at it,
and the movie like really moved me, So I thought
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that was kudos to them.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, I had heard that he had to hire a
dialect coach after the movie to help him lose the
Elvis in.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Fact, but did you hear what happened? Like he was
filming it and then he was like stuck in character,
and then the pandemic happened, so they had like delay
filming like six months or eight months. So he's stuck
in a hotel room, stucking character, and now filming has
been so he was in the character for like three
years or something crazy, and he decided to like jump
(31:39):
all the way in thinking it would be like, you know,
an eight month shoot or whatever it was, and ended
up being like two years or longer. And he was, yeah,
left there, like they stranded him in Elvis in a
hotel room.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
That's funny the idea of him just slowly losing his
mind in a hotel room by himself as Elvis.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, it's like kind of like a wild, a wild situation.
I was like, I kind of wish there was a
movie about that, a guy getting like left in Elvis
method world.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Speaking of when you were talking about doing high school theater.
Have you ever seen the movie Hamlet too?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Okay, if you for those of you listening, if you
haven't seen Hamlet Too. I believe it's Steve Coogan and
it's a great cast. Skyler asked, and I think is
easy young in it? Is it Catherine Keener or Elizabeth Keaneer?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
For you?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
WHI Keener? It is? But it's it's about a high
school teacher who decides to write a sequel to Hamlet,
And of course everyone's like, doesn't everyone die? At the
end He's like, I have a device and but it's
basically he's unhinged and it's hilarious. It's a great great wah.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I gotta have to see it. I'm gonna write it down.
I actually love Steve ko that's so funny. What about you?
How did you? How did you go from magic to
on screen? Like? Were you in theater or no agent
or make the jump at all? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I uh an agent at William Morris hit my mom
with this and to make it up. Yeah, he gave
me a career. No, so I stopped doing magic in
eighth grade. In high school, I remember watching theater from
Afar and thinking it looked awesome, and we had comedy
sports at my high school, improv you know, yeah, And
(33:38):
I remember again being so excited and interested in it,
but also being so terrified of it. So I just
from afar. I kind of admired it. And then I
went to university and I studied economics, and my last semester,
my roommates and I took intro to acting acting one
oh one, just to sort of pad our schedules. We
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had all these like super gnarly math and econ classes,
and with thought like, well, this will be a good break.
And I loved it. And I remember the teacher said
it wasn't anything crazy, but she just said, hey, if
you ever want to give this a shot, it might
be worth you giving it a shot. Like that was it.
It wasn't like you're the best thing since sliced bread,
but it was just like, hey, you seem to enjoy this,
(34:22):
you're decent d at it. You maybe want to give
it a go. And it planted a seat in my
head and I ended up getting a consulting job right
out of school. And I went into consulting and I
was miserable, Like I remember sitting at my desk on
day two with this sinking feeling in my chest because
I had succeeded. I crushed in school. I graduated with
(34:46):
honors from high school, from college, I got this highly
coveted position, and I was sitting in my cubicle just
going is this It was shit? I got duped. This
is awful.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You essentially got what you were looking for, whatever one
was working for or whatever, and yeah, that's wow.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, Like I remember thinking to myself, I got I
got the brass ring, like I did the thing, and
this is it. Like I got duped, and so I
was miserable. It was six really really really hard months
of adjusting to it, but it was the first time
whereever I experienced like anxiety and depression. And what started
(35:30):
to happen was, you know, I'm just at this point
like this isn't the long term solution for me, Like
I figured something else out.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
And I was months. Yeah, yeah, I'm an adult and
now I've got expendable income to like, oh my god,
I made a huge mistake in six months. That's wild.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, well listen, on day two I called my mom
from my cubicle and told her, hey, I made a
huge mistake. Day two. Yeah, I knew, and she said, listen,
you you can't put it job on your resume unless
you've been there for at least a year, so you've
got to stick it out. I was like, oh okay,
and I so fast forward. I get a little bit
(36:10):
more adjusted and settled at the job, like about a
year into it, and I go to my cousin's wedding
and I'm just there and this woman comes up to
me and she says, what do you do? And I said, oh,
I'm a consultant. And she says, well, you're wasting your time.
You should be acting or modeling, and which is a weird, random,
(36:30):
weird thing for like a stranger to say. But here's
the thing. Because I was so desperate for a life
change that I just was like, great, okay, what do
we do? And she said, I have a friend who
works at an agency. Get some pictures taken and I'll
pass them on no promises. So the woman I had
replaced at this consulting firm, she had left to become
(36:52):
a photographer. So I had her come to the company's
parking lot after work one day take pictures of me
in the company parking lot, like in your.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Work clothes, like in a tie looking like.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Like like in my work shirt, and then in a
T shirt and then shirtless like anyone who was like
working overtime that day, looked out into the company parking
lot and saw the like junior consultant shirtless in front
of a Volvo opposing you know.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Uh the woman replaced taking pictures of him seriously.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
All of a sudden, her leaving to become a photographer
made sense because I was like, oh, yeah, this job's terrible,
I see what you mean. And uh, this woman who
worked at the agency ended up being the president of
the agency, and so she brought me in and they
ended up signing me with a commercial agent and a
modeling agent and that was that was sort of it.
And from that point I just started like self submitting
(37:42):
myself every day because sometime have a theatrical rep and
just hustled my butt off. But I loved it, you know,
and my job, like you never forget. I was auditioning
for a ross commercial ross dress for less and I
was a callback and I was still living at my parents'
house and Claremont at the time, So to drive from
Claremont into wherever it was Santa Monica in the afternoon.
(38:06):
I hit crazy traffic right, so I ended up being
about an hour late. These people had heard that I
had been in the car for two hours, so unknownst
to me, they had already found their guy. They were like,
but this kid drove two hours, Like, let's just see him.
So I go in and I do the normal part
of the commercial room, like holding up a shirt or something,
and then they go, hey, for the callback. We were having.
Everybody dance so bad it makes us laugh. Is that
(38:30):
something you'd feel comfortable with? And I'll never forget. I
didn't skip it, but I just went put the music
on and I proceeded to just dance like an absolute
idiot for about sixty seconds straight, just freestyling. And I
booked it in the room. And that was how I
became SAG eligible and was able to, you know, like
(38:50):
you know, submit for more stuff. And that was my
first thing. That was That was how I got my
SAG card.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Were you still consulting at the time or had you quit?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
No? I had told them because it was a bit
of a boys club, this firm, and I knew if
I said, hey, I'm leaving to be an actor, that
didn't really give me any like possibilities with them in
the future. So I decided to tell them I was
leaving to go travel Asia and then come back and
get my MBA because I knew it would sound good
to them. And they were like, hey, we love that.
(39:20):
That's so admirable, Like, yeah, rip it up in Asia,
get your NBA. The door's open for you when you
come back. And then about a month and a half later,
I have a commercial for Ross on the air and
I get a call from one of my former bosses
going how's Asia. I was like, funny thing happened on
the way to the airport, but even he was like, listen,
(39:43):
you don't belong here, Like this makes more sense, you know,
because I was always the guy. Like the year I
got hired, they hired two candidates, two me and this
gal from Caltech who was a double major in mathematics
and computer science. I'm no dummy, but I sat down
with her on the first day and like, I heard
(40:03):
her credentials and I genuinely remember thinking, did they have
like a friendly white guy quota to fill?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Why?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Again, I'm not dumb, but like, why am I here?
And so the whole time I was there, I just
told myself it's because like she'll be the one to
crunch the numbers, I'll be the one to present to
the company. But the whole time it was like very clear,
like I'm this isn't my bag, Like it doesn't fulfill
me the way it does some of these guys. And
also it's not my strength, you know, because it was dude,
(40:35):
it was hardcore nerdery, Like, but you spent so much.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Time in numbers and economics and math, like I mean
just in academia and general between high school and college.
Did you ever miss it? Or like, would you go back?
Speaker 1 (40:49):
And No, I don't miss it at all. I got
into econ because in high school I took one ECON class.
I'm a visual learner and a lot of began economics
is like supplying demand lines on a graph. So I
was like this, this makes sense to my brain. I
can follow these lines moving around. And it wasn't until
I got about a year into it that I realized
(41:10):
how much math was involved. Do I miss it? Not
at all? Would I ever go back to it? Not again?
But I do love how good I am with numbers,
Like I can impress my wife when I can be
like a little human calculator or something, you know, because
I know it impresses her. So she'll toss some numbers
out and I'll be like real quick to answer it.
She'll be like, damn, that makes me feel ten feet tall.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
That's right, dude, that's cool. That's Unbelievablebelieve. I always feel
like life happens in these quick little moments, you know
what I mean, that you have no control over, and
it's like amazing the amount of importance it lands on
these just these quick little moments like that, like going
(41:52):
to a wedding, deciding to go to a wedding, having
however you did your hair at that wedding, or whether
you had son on your face or whatever, like crazy
that whatever it made that woman say that to you
and change your whole life, or you know, running into
walking Phoenix in a bar or whatever, you know, just random,
you know the things that just like it wasn't about
(42:14):
all the steps I took to whatever, Like it's never
about what you think it is. You know that those
are almost the things that like that like keep you busy,
just to take your just to distract you while like
the real is going on around you. It's just unbelievable,
you know, crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
So let's let's let's talk a bit more about the
stuff people are gonna know about, which is for our
common uh our common job being One Tree Hill. Oh
that is where you and I first met. I've asked
this to a couple of people on the show because
I'm very curious when you hear the theme song, what
is the reaction in your body? If any you.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Know I it does actually like amp me up, because
I like, I don't I don't know if this is
like a cheesy answer, but like, and I'm not saying
this to be like a keener or like a brown noser,
but like, I like being part of a team, and
(43:15):
so much of my art in my work is solitary,
you know, I'm not part of a band, Like I'm
a solo you know, singer songwriter. Like if I have
a band, they work for me. And like when I
there was just not a lot of like team building
going on, and the movies I did it was cool,
but it's a short period of time. One Tree Hill
(43:36):
was the first thing, and it came along when I
was college age, because I was nineteen or something like that.
When I gone on the show when it was like
it truly felt like a team, and I wasn't ready
for it. I didn't expect to fall in love with
being part of a group like that. But when we
were doing I came on the show at a time
(43:57):
when I think the show was also happened to be
taking off. So they use me for the promo and stuff.
But when that song will come on we walk on
to TRL or we'd be doing different signing or mall,
it would make me feel like, whoa, it's a weird feeling.
This isn't my song, This isn't like Ladies and Gentlemen
Tyler Hilton. But it made me feel like there were
always other people in the cast around me, and it
(44:19):
made me feel like, yeah, I don't know, made me
feel like this is our team. And a much cooler
answer would be like i'd be like, oh God, here
we go again. But even still, when we're doing these
conventions and stuff, and I joke about it a lot, like,
you know, here we go, it's gonna be like not out.
But even there's a small part of me that when
(44:39):
I hear that, I'm like, it feels like are like
taking the field music or something like that, you know,
And I don't know, I kind of dig it. I
get excited and I'm not that tired of it. And
I mean, Govin's great, Kevin's a great artist. I really
like his songs. But you would think I would be
kind of tired of this song point and I get
(45:01):
like this sparta thrill out of it when I hear it,
like yeah, here we go.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I don't know, do you have a favorite memory for
montre Hill?
Speaker 2 (45:11):
You know, there is like a lot, but like I
think looking back, the like the like sweetest and the
one that's like, oh my gosh. Like I had no idea.
Was like when I they wanted me to go on
the show and play one song, and uh, and I
was going to go do a song and then continue
on my tour and I didn't know anything about the show.
I didn't just like with walk the Line, I didn't
(45:32):
want to do it and all this stuff. And my
label was like, you know, this is part of our
rollout for your single or whatever. You have to go
on this show and sing the song and they want
you to like say lines as this guy. And I
got to Wilmington. I'd never seen the show or heard
of it. Or anything. And I remember the front office
gave me a box of VHS's and I got there
(45:54):
on a Friday. I was going to film on a Monday,
I think a Friday was there for like the fitting
or something. I went to Walmart and bought it one
of those TV VHS combination situations. I plugged in my
room and I was like, let me just watch the
first episode of this thing that weekend. I crushed the
entire first season. I was so into the show. I
got so into it, and I never really gotten into
a teen drama like that. So Monday, when I went
(46:16):
on set, instead of being like, oh hi, Hillary, nice
to meet you, Hello Sophia, I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
That's Peyton.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Like in a weekend, I'd become a super fan of
the show. And so I think, like, looking back, that's
like one of the sweeter moments for me. Also because
I was a new fan of the show and now
I was walking onto the set of my new favorite
TV show and I happened to be a character on
it all of a sudden, it was like the weirdest
you know, it was the weirdest thing. So I was,
(46:46):
you know, I was in the scene with all the
people that I was just in a show, just binginging,
you know, but a lot of like after that.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
I remember the first time I saw you performing on
our show, you say, I think it's love gun A
loaded gun, loaded gun. Yeah, I'll never forget because I
didn't know who you were at the time. I hadn't
heard your music, and we had never cross paths our characters,
and I remember having an actual moment of thinking, Oh, dang,
(47:17):
this guy's this guy's the real deal. He's really weird. Yeah.
I remember being very impressed with you, and that was
super cool about it was come full circle to you
and I doing the drama Queen's tour. You performed in
like Boston or one of the shows, and I had
a similar moment where I was like, oh, and this one,
Like that tour was right when you and I, like
(47:38):
our friendship really kind of started to click into place
because we'd always been like friendly, but we had never
been proper friends. But I remember watching you perform on
stage and I was I was so proud. I was
beaming as if like you were my son or something.
But it was like I'm watching my buddy rip it up.
He's so good. Oh, dude, it was so cool. But yeah,
(47:58):
my first impression of you was like, oh, this kid's
the real deal. He's like really really good at this.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Wow. Yeah, it's funny though. And season nine, when we
kept interacting and I've told you this before too, I
kept being like, I feel like Rob and I should
be friends, and we're like, have no opportunity to be friends, Like,
there's no we're never in scenes together. We lived in
different areas of the town, we were in different clicks
on the show essentially, and there was just no And
(48:25):
I think you would even either done something with Megan
or she would run into and I remember she'd be like, oh, yeah,
I hung with Rob Buckley or I saw him, and
I'd be like, I think I've even told her. I
was like, I want to be friends with that guy?
How do I like? Why? Why aren't we How do
we become friends? And then after that drama Queen's Tour,
I think we were like, that's it, let's be friends.
How do we do this? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (48:46):
It's like we.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Were in like such similar circumstances. We're both in towns,
we had no other friends. We were both like chained
to our houses. Because we were like new fathers and
we were like, that's it. This is the moment, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
I remember being in the back of a cab with
you and coming coming back to the hotel after one
of those shows, and I remember feeling it so clearly
in my heart that you were supposed to be in
my life, like this, this is a friend who is
supposed to be in my life. And it was like,
all right, because same as you. Every time we cross
paths at a convent, she'd be like, that guy's great,
(49:19):
we should talk more, you know. But that's kind of
where it ended.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Weber being in the back of the cab going like this,
this guy needs to be my friend. We need to
be we need to be friends. And wow, and then
we have we bonded over being dads and all the
fun stuff. Yeah, being fish out of water in these
towns where we don't know people, and no, when.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I think we've done like a great job at like
and maybe this is being older, is like really putting
effort into the friendship. And I think at this age too,
it's so easy to get lonely and to not share
your feelings with other people or other guys. But we're
going through so many similar things. It's such a crazy
thing what happened during this pandemic as artists, You and
(50:01):
I as dads leaving LA and both moving to random towns.
You know. Like it's been important for me for us
to talk as often as we have because a lot
of my relationships with guys before you essentially was you know, stunting,
you know, being a little bit like yeah, you know whatever.
(50:21):
And with you, I feel like i've over the last
couple of years. You know, You're the kind of guy
that I could be like, I don't know what I'm doing, man,
you know, I don't know, Like I'm totally lost here,
you know, And it's nice to have a dude to
do that too.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah. Man, the feeling's mutual. I you know, we're parents,
Like you don't have much free time, so I don't
have the time to do those kind of phone calls,
Like I have only a set free amount of minutes
each day. I need to make them counts. It's like, yeah,
I need to make the call where I can be like,
my kids are driving me nuts. I'm about to lose it, buddy,
what do I do? You know? As opposed to being
(50:56):
like hey, what's up? Did you watch football this week?
Speaker 2 (50:58):
You know, it's like, come on, one that you can
understand if your kid is trying to pull the phone
out of your hand while you're talking, they're like, come on, man,
just call me. When you're like what is this? You know,
it's like I feel you. In fact, one of my
proudest moments is when your son asked you if you
wanted to call me while you guys were in the
car the other day.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
I was like, ah, yeah, that was adorable. Man. Should
we call Tyler? Dad? Dads like, we absolutely should call Tyler? Man?
And then we called you and you said hey, Grover,
and he said, I'm unavailable right now. I'm reading a book.
I was like, look at you playing, who are you Tyler?
Trying to turn down the role of Elvis? Okay, buddy,
(51:35):
well listen, we gotta wrap this thing up. But before
we do, why don't you tell the folks what you
got going on?
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Oh man? First of all, I just want to say
Lance and everyone with the podcast, like, thank you for
giving us the opportunity to do this. Is so good
for me to just every time we get to talk
and hang out and it's hope. This wasn't too boring
and was interesting to you guys. But this was very fun.
But yeah, I'm going out on tour in November, so
(52:02):
I'll be all across the United States. So if you
guys want to check it out, my instagram is Tyler
Hilton Tyler Hilton dot com where the tour dates are.
But I'll be in LA and the West Coast a lot,
and I'm touring a lot next year too, So just
that's my main thing at a lot of shows right now.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
You got a little book action going on.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, and I got the kids book coming
out in the spring, so I'll let you guys know
more about that when it comes out. But it's called
Daddy Liven Concert and it's just about a dad, you know,
putting on concerts for his kids, which I did a
lot during the pandemic. And it'll be a I think
it's like really sweet situation too.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
You got you Got music concert, it's a tour a
book author. You find the time, I'm want.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
To start making them put author in front of my name,
even though it's just a kid's book author.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
You're a multi hyphen it now you realize that, Shoot,
you're actor singer author on Triple Threats. That's incredibles.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
When you write a kid's book, I realized it's really
only a page on a PDF, you know what I mean,
because they spread it out over an entire book. Once
the book was done, I was like, Oh, there's my book.
You could print it out on a piece of paper
or two.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Hey man, silent movies aren't any less of a movie
just because there's no dialogue, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Books a book got published? Baby?
Speaker 2 (53:23):
What about you? What do you? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (53:26):
You know? I'm just trying to find a new hairstyle
that fits the size of my giant head. I'm also
doing this podcast called Drama Queens. It's a one Tree
Hill rewatch podcasts with Sophia Bush and Bethany joy Lenz
and just dadding my face off and.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Wait time to ask what? And I've kind of got
into this a little bit at the convention, But like,
how is it watching these episodes back? It's been fifteen
years since you film some stuff? Is it like someone
forcing me to watch home movies every week? Or like
is it cringe worthy for you? Or is it like
(54:07):
what you think?
Speaker 1 (54:08):
It's all of that My first note from the first
episode I watched was, oh, my god, we were babies
because we all look so young. And there have been
plenty of cringe worthy moments, whether it's just like something
I'm doing, like a performance of mine, or it's a
storyline that has not aged well. I've also forgotten so
(54:31):
much of the show that I'm basically watching as a
first time viewer. There's some big stuff I remember, but
it's but it's cool. Though.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Did you ever watched it? Have you ever watched these episodes?
Speaker 1 (54:41):
I think I watched most of I joined season seven,
eight and nine, and I think I watched most of
those episodes when they aired. But when the show was done,
I was I was very comfortable leaving it in the
past because it was kind of a rough time for
me personally, So I was it was more than comfortable
(55:01):
just going like, great, let's close the door on that,
and that's that can stay back there, and.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
You did a bunch of other stuff, so you're like
focused on the next thing.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
And it was also because it wasn't like a fun
time for me, Like it wasn't a lot of great memories.
Like I said, like, personally, I was just I was
on the struggle bus man, and so like the going
back to like when I like, when you hear the song,
like my viscile reaction is I kind of go wow,
because that that theme song is sort of interwoven into
this time where I was just having a really tough time.
(55:34):
It's a bit different now now it's sort of a
mixed bag because it's like it has taken on a
new meaning and in doing this podcast, because I'm able
to revisit it with adult eyes.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
When you started the show, if I can ask, like.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Fifty one, No, No, I was let's see, I turned
thirty on the show, so probably twenty eight or twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Oh, it's a whole different time to enter a show. No,
it's totally crazy. Yeah, because for me, I hear that song,
that's like hearing my high school theme song or something.
I'm like nineteen or whatever it is, you know, and
like that's that is wild And I was off the show.
But yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah, you entered the show
as a full man. That's wild.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Well, really, I'd hit puberty like three years prior, so
it wasn't quite a full man yet, but I was.
I was definitely on my way all right, gang, thanks
for joining us. Lance. I hope you're having the best
time at Magic Camp. Hopefully next time you can be
here when we do this. We love you.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
This was fun. Thank you, guys. Thank you for listening.
If you guys are still listening by the end of
this episode, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
All right, have a good one everybody.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
See you guys, Hey, thanks for listening. Follow us on
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Speaker 1 (56:41):
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This is Frosted Tips with Lance bass An iHeartRadio podcast.
Hey everybody, welcome to the Frosted Tips Podcast. Unfortunately Lance
isn't here today he is away at Magic Camp for
grown ups. So today you have guest hosts Robert Buckley
and Tyler Hilton.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
How are you, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm doing good man. I'm glad we got to do this.
We needed to catch up anyway, it had been a.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Few days we did. We thought, you know what, not
only do we need to catch up, but we should
probably subject thousands of people to it as well.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes, the only thing better than catching up is letting
everybody listen to us catch up.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I think here's my first question for you. Do you
think Lance is more of a slide of hand magician
or like parlor magic, like bigger stage illusions.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Ooh, I think the bigger stage illusions like tigers and
can we say, I.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Don't know, but we just did. We did.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, but they can bleeve a bit of out.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I agree, I think so still and okay, you know
what I mean. He's a showman, so I think he
would be big stage illusions.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That is a personality type, someone who does like sly
cards between you know, other situa, other things going on
in the day, and other people that are like, no,
you got to come to my show tonight. Have you
ever been to the Magic Castle, by the way.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well, funny you should say that, yes, we were members
for a very long time. Because I don't know if
you know this about me. I actually grew up a magician,
no way, And I did parlor magic that was much like.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
What age like, is it like or like until like
the age of thirty or something.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No, No, it's hilarious in hindsight, like I picked the
most awkward years of my life, like the painfully uncomfortable
years of my life to choose magic. Like I already
hadn't hit puberty, had no luck with girls, and I thought,
you know what would help this dumpster fire of a
social slash love life. I should add being a magician
(02:06):
into the mix.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I did the same thing. I was flailing around looking
for things to make me cool, magic, playing the clarinet.
Nothing was really catching, you know, and I was like, oh,
working on and playing guitar.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Wait, did you actually try magic?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh? Yeah, Like I was up until like the age
of twelve a magic guy like I didn't know we
were talking about like kid phase. But yes, all the
magic kits, the magic books, and I was a big juggler, big.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Jog yeah you listen, you got Did you do the circuits?
Did you ever do birthday parties or perform for money?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No? No, I didn't ever did the parks. I juggled
in the park all the time, but never like did
you do that? Like you?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, I have business cards. In fact, I wish maybe
at the end of the episode. I don't know if
the show airs on YouTube or not, but if it does,
I will get my business card out and I'll show
it to you so that you can see in the
viewer at home.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
You have it on you like with you.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Still, Yes, I keep I keep two business cards in
my wallet at all times. One is my business card
from when I was a magician. It says magic by Robert,
has a little caricature of me doing an illusion to
illusions with a rabbit. And my business card from when
I was a consultant. Uh, just because you know it,
just it feels funny to me to still have that
(03:24):
in my wallet. But yeah, So I actually used to
do birthday parties, church functions. I had a whole I
mean I had a sixty minute show, but my typical
performance was like a tight thirty Like wow, No, you
definitely took it to another level that I did.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's super cool. Like what was your what was like?
What did it all build towards? Like what was the
thing you were like, Oh, they're gonna love this, Like
did you animals and stuff?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Or was it cards or I never did animals? No,
I never did animals because that's a whole Like you
take that homework with you. Now you're caring, like you're
caring for a pet. It's also it's sort of like
acting too just makes everything harder, Like so you have
an animal in a scene, you know how, it's like
everything is slower, more labor intensive. Magic is the same,
Like you really want a pain in the ass, like
(04:09):
have a dove in your act and like care for
a dove.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So I never did animals, but like I said, I
did some parlor tricks. So I did like stage illusions
and I would say some of my bigger tricks, I
had a mail bag escape where I would get locked
inside of a mail bag and get out within sixty seconds.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh so you have own the equipment to pull this off.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Oh yeah, we still have a room in our house
and my parents' house called the Magic Room with probably
dude at least fifteen thousand dollars and like illusions from it.
Because my dad focused on close up magic, so he
did more like card stuff and then I did the
bigger stuff. So we have a room that's I mean yeah,
like sighing in half. No, you know where you put
(04:55):
the person's head in a box and you jam like
twelve daggers or torches through it it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Did you get your parents to how do you talk
to your parents about like buying that kind of equipment?
Like did you make the money off magic and put
it back into your magic act? You're like mom and
dad christ you get me head.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It was a weird string of events where we had
a local magic shop and they were in need of
some like administrative just business help to run their business,
to streamline things. My dad was smart enough to realize
he could do that, and he said, I got an idea,
how about not only will I help you streamline your company,
(05:40):
but you don't have to pay me cash, you can
pay me in product. And they were like great, So
no joke, I mean we had a room custom Bill
where one entire wall is just drawers and you open
a drawer and there will be probably sixty tricks lined up,
you know. And so that's how we and he like
ran their news for him. So as this kid is
(06:02):
a magician, all of a sudden's have having to get
like a kit. I had a room like with a
three and then my dad retired from his job and
briefly managed one of the best close up magicians in
the world. So then the room was built into a
magic studio where like we have a three way mirror
because three way mirrors are helpful whence you can see
yourself from all the different angles to make sure you're
like you're performing a trick. Well, whoa lighting, so we
(06:25):
could shoot videos for the guy in there. Yeah, my
family went in on magic.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I am so glad that Lance asked us to do
this podcast for this reason. And if this is all
we talk about for the rest of my life, it'll
let alone this podcast, it'll be like worthwhile. I cannot
believe this. Wait, So I have like a million questions,
But did you were you into magic before your dad
started working for this magic shop?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Like ye?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Like, oh, my god gold mine. So you were into
magic and then this this opportunity came along where you
get access to all this amazing equipment.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, I remember were going to the fair, the La
County Fair, and there there was always that one booth,
the magician guy, right, and you'd go by and he
would do, you know, the moving coins or the floating
scar if he had these tricks he would do and
imember loving it. And that was kind of where it
all started, and then it grew. And then I think
(07:21):
because my dad was a bit of a showman. I
mean he was on the original Mickey Mouse Club and
so he was already a fanan of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
But yeah, as a magician or like as an actor singer.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
No, they had something called Talent round Up Day and
he got asked to be on because I think my
dad played like seven different instruments and in between my
brother and I we played zero. So unfortunately the music
gene skipped a generation. We didn't get the gift you have.
But they kept inviting him on to play music, and finally,
I think after the third time, they're like, how about
you just finished the season with us. So he has
(07:57):
all these stories of like going to birthday parties, Walt
Disney's house, and like getting to do cool things behind
the scenes. So all that to say, I think we
were already kind of primed as a family to dive
headfirst into like theatrical, performative weird stuff. No way, crazy
(08:20):
to think that I went to College of virgin the
kid who was knee deep in d and d in
magic went to College of virgin.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh my gosh, I don't even know where to begin.
And you guys all still have this stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, I get still at their house.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, when's the last time you did a trick like you?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Ironically enough, I did a movie I developed and then
did a movie with Hallmark based on my family's tradition
of we used to decorate the heck out of our
house is called the Christmas House. And because I was
writing about my childhood and myself and a lot of ways,
even though we fictionalized the character, he was a magician
as a kid. And part of it was that I
(09:06):
do a magic show like with this younger boy. So
I actually had to go on stage and do a
couple tricks. That was probably there's a card trick all
occasionally do I still remember one card trick to this
day that I can occasionally do. But other than that, none.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Does it say with you like like do you have
to practice it? Like? Could you could if we went
into that room now, could you just do it all
for me? Or would you have to like you know
what I mean, if you had to put together a
half hour, would you have to practice a bit?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Oh my gosh, I have to practice a ton? Here's
the difference, right, So close up magic is it's incredibly
skill based. That is a learned art. You have to
really practice and hone your craft at that, right Whereas
parlor Remember I didn't have.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
The talent for it. I remember it was really tough.
It is.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
See, that's the thing. It's like truly it is its
own specific skill set, whereas the bigger illusions are ten
percent ninety percent presentation. So in other words, the trick
itself is just maybe a thirty second gimmick. So it
is it is incumbent upon you to be a showman
and stretch it into four minutes worth of storytelling. Close up,
(10:14):
isn't that? Close up is like I can just do
some wildly dope shit with these cards that you're not
gonna believe, and it's only because I am so skilled
with my hands, and I've practiced these motions so many times.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Why and what? So? Which which one were you? Was
your specialty?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Shocker? I was the parlor where it's like, don't need
much skill, just gotta be able to talk. So wow,
you know, because I was a thirty minute show, is
like maybe five minutes of illusions, you know, but it's
thirty because everything has a story around it, you know,
And yeah, everything.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Would you bring the equipment to like a birthday party?
Would you go to a trailer or van or something
like there are there boxes and crates and stuff or what.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I remember? I remember doing a buddy's birthday party. No,
and not wasn't like crates, but it was, yeah, a
couple of bags worth of stuff. So you didn't travel with.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
This, with the headsaw thing or those kind of things like.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
No, no, no, I wouldn't travel with those. When I
did bigger functions, I would then bring a couple of those.
But I remember doing a buddy's birthday party. And again
I chose like the most awkward period of adolescents to
become a magician. And I remember all of my buddies
like sitting up in the back watching me and at
that uncomfortable age, just going, ah, this doesn't this doesn't
(11:31):
feel like the coolest thing I could be doing right now,
you know. And I wasn't confident and comfortable enough of
myself to be like I don't care. I was like
painfully aware of them watching as I like, you know,
turned bubbles into like a clear marble and was like,
but look at this, you.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Know, did you have a name? Was it you just
magic by Rob?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
It was just magic by Robert, magic by Rob. Yeah,
one of that too. Welcome to those of you who
are just tuning in. It's the Magic Hour with Tyler
(12:12):
Hilton and Rob Buckley.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Have you talked about this much before.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Never in this much detail. No, this isn't exclusive for
the Frosted Tips audience.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I don't feel like I'm being I'm like being like
being overly shocked by that. I think this is like,
this is unbelievable. I had no idea. And it's so
funny that you turned into such a prince, because it's like,
it's so funny that, like that is really wild. I
would have thought, you know, I think a lot of
people would have thought maybe you were like throwing the
(12:43):
football in the front yard and like, you know, I
don't know, doing bench presses in the driveway and instead.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You yeah, no, no, no, the opposite. I got my
I got my varsity letter in high school by being
the announcer for the baseball team. No, no, yeah, which
is also hilarious because I didn't hit puberty until I
was about twenty one years old, so I'm sure I
had the most high like high pitch, squeaky voice imaginable.
(13:11):
But yeah, I didn't play it sports. I was mouth
on one tree hill. Yeah, seriously, I was not a jock.
I mean, I played soccer all my life, but even
then I was like, h six day week commitment. I'm good. Nah,
I'll do pods and D and D and magic.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I'm not surprised, though, because you and I are similar
in so many ways, and we didn't even know this
until we started to become friends. But I'm not shocked
that you dabbled in the magic arts.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, No, there's so much about what you're
saying that I was just I was so close to
getting into. In fact, if I had been a little
better or my dad was you know, able to have
the inside scoop on some of that equipment, and I
don't know, might have gone differently, but no, I was
definitely into it. I tried it. I definitely tried it.
I got really into it. Do you remember those books,
(14:02):
like those Klutz books like Klutz Magic for the Complete
Klutz or Juggling for the Complete Clutz. Did you ever
get out familiar Owing Magic for the Complete Clay. It
was like before like Dummies Guide to Computers or whatever. Anyway,
I was like obsessed with these Klutz books and they
like taught me how to do magic juggle. Oh my god,
(14:25):
I just remember this, And even though all my family
were musicians, it really wasn't. It wasn't until I can't
believe I'm omitting this. I read Acoustic Guitar for the
Complete Klutz. It was like the fourth book they put out,
and it, like all of a sudden, clicked to me. Weirdly.
I ended up moving schools, moved to Palo Alto in
northern California, and I found out this is after I
(14:48):
was a huge Klutz book fan, and I knew their
headquarters was in Palo Alto. The kid in my class
in my seventh grade class, his dad was the Klutz founder,
and he came to my birthday party that year and
he brought me an unreleased Klutz book and I got
to meet the dude. It was like, like, what are
the chances? Isn't that weird?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, actually it was the coin one that he brought
me for my birthday. Anyway, that all just I literally
just remembered all that right now. But anyway, that was
how I got into coin magic for a second.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
With well, this is actually I mean, I don't even
know if that chain of books is still out. They
may have been usurped by for Dummies, but this is
a good endorsement for them, considering you clearly have learned
how to play acoustic guitar quite well. In fact, you
have made a career out of it. They things so.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, thank you Klutz books, and they explained things so well,
including like I remember fingerpicking I learned from that book.
It's a really hard thing to teach, but really education
in general, it's so amazing. If you can break something
down into the right parts, you could really teach somebody anything.
I remember when I learned how to juggle from these books,
(15:58):
being like, oh my god, I am a nobody dumb kid,
and now I can juggle three balls Like that was
unbelievable to me at the end of a book. Do
you know what I'm saying? Because it seems like you're
defining the laws of physics when you're juggling, you know,
like when I learned it, I don't know, seven, eight, nine, ten,
something like everything happens at the age of ten in
my mind. But it was like, who knows how to juggle?
(16:21):
That's reserved for like wizards and you know whatever. And anyway,
I learned how to do it from this book and
guitar and other things too.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
But crazy, I think we should have a reality show
of you and I getting back into the world of
magic and performance magic and watching us as we ramp
up for our first show.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Oh my god, Like we have to be in the duo.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It's usually a guy in a gal but let's just switch.
Let's just be two dudes up there doing magic together.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
What's wrong with a couple buddies doing magic together?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Nothing? Has anyone seen a magical accenter around romance? Well?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
What about Freed and Roy? Are they brothers or were
they dating?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think they were a life partner or was.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
That ohka, I think romance magic.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Listen, it's gonna happen bench Mark.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
We have another idea.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
If you like Christmas movies, you're gonna love this two
forty year old men learning magic movie.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, I'm gonna saw my bro in half. I love that.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
How old were you the first time you uh performed
music for an audience that wasn't related to you?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
So my uncles were musicians, and so I would get
up and sing with them and I would. I was
like in elementary school or something, and I just wanted
to do it so bad. I think I just wanted
to I liked performing. It wasn't that I wanted the attention.
It was like I had a lot of respect for performers.
I know it sounds like dumb, but like I really
(18:00):
I thought magicians were I thought it was like a
noble vibe, you know. I thought jugglers and circus performers.
I thought, I've always thought artists and performers. I thought
that was such a noble pursuit. I really did, And
I appreciated the people who had the courage to do
it so much. And my uncles were all musicians, and
I think a part of me thought I'd never be
(18:21):
as good as them, so what's the point. I should
find my own lane. So I started in other avenues, magic, juggling,
and then it was like the music thing was too
strong of a pull and I was too natural at
it to ignore it, and I was just kind of
down to do whatever came naturally to me. And I
(18:43):
was really surprised at how natural music came. Magic didn't
as well as much, you know. But yeah, elementary school,
I was getting up and singing my daughter. I noticed
she has a great air and I could hear her
singing along to the radio perfectly in tune, and I
think that's the way I will. And so when they
were getting me up to sing, I just thought they
would be nice. But I think I actually could sing well,
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and that was novel to them, and so I was like,
I was lucky that I got to do that.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Do you remember the first time you realized you were
good at it? Did you ever have a moment where
you were doing it and went, oh, I think I'm
people aren't just being nice. I think I'm good at this.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Well, that's such a good question. That's such a good question.
I got to be honest with you, like I don't
think I felt like I was good until way after
I was signed and I was doing things like I
think that, like I didn't feel like I had the control.
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Now I don't even think about it, like when I'm
asked this performer, when I perform, I have the confidence
to do it, like I have the confidence to speak
English or something. I just don't think about it. I
just do it. But it took me forever hearing people
say like, wow, you're good to be like really like
in a lot of ways, I felt like if you
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just take anyone up the street who's like singing in
the car, imagine someone just tells you, wow, you're really
good enough times you start to believe him, and I
kept I was shocked that people said that to me.
I could not believe that for the longest time, well
after I was signed, Like people be like wow, like
we like your song or why we want to sign you,
or wow, this record is good or whatever it is,
and I'd always in the back of my head be
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going like no way, no way, you know, yeah, and
then I'd be like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know
what I mean. But I'd always be like, I can't
believe this is working. This is so funny to me, But.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Have you ever heard that? Apparently John Travolta's parents were
wildly complimentary of him as all of his life growing up,
you know, always received a lot of validation and a
lot of praise, so much so that when he got
to Hollywood, apparently this is the story that when he
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wouldn't get an audition, rather than feeling like, oh, I sucker,
I didn't too well, he would just kind of feel like, oh,
that's a bummer. They didn't get me. Like he went
the opposite way where he had received such positive like
positive reinforcement and praise that it was firmly in place
with him that like, I'm I'm good at this, So
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it's not if something didn't work out, he wouldn't go
like I wasn't good enough. He would just go, that's
a bummer for them. Could you imagine that your your
mode of operation? Wouldn't that be lovely?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It would be lovely, It would be lovely. He was
so he is. But he was so good right out
the bat, like in those early movies too, like so confident.
It makes so much sense actually how good he was.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And it's just a great way to be because you know,
why we don't get things is none of our business
and has so little to do with us, you know.
So that what a great way to just like not
get caught up in it, because you know, I love
so many of us. When you're starting off, I mean
even when you're not start even when you're doing this
twenty years, it's like you can easily fall into that
rut of like I wasn't good enough, and it's like, no, man,
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it just wasn't meant to be.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Well.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
How sad for them they made this such such a
big mistake.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I know that he actually it would end with him
having sympathy for them, like, ah, that's a bummer, they're not.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, it's been really good for them.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Did you always want to do acting because obviously music
came first for you, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's funny because I like, I always loved acting and
always like was in plays. I just thought it was
going to be a hobby, Like if I had thought
about how my life was gonna go, I was good
to be a musician, And then I thought it would
be very cool sometimes to maybe even when I'm like
my grandpa was in plays as an old man, like
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local community theater and stuff. And I always thought, what
a cool fun thing to do as a hobby is
to like be in plays. But I always was in plays.
I loved it, and I never thought that I would
be an actor. I don't know why. It was the
weirdest thing. I just knew it was like a family
business or like somehow predestined I was going to be
a musician, even if it wasn't. I wasn't a successful one.
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I was just going to be someone's guitar player, or
I was just going to be a musician, like playing
at bars, like that's just what I was going to do.
And I got lucky because I went to this high
school looking to high school in Palm Springs, and they
had an amazing theater department and the theater teacher at
the time she was there for a short period, was incredible.
And everything at the school, all our plays, starting maybe
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a couple of years before I got there, started winning
all the regional and statewide. I had like awards for things.
It was like, so I entered this kind of like
environment that was super professional, super adult, did not like
care about feelings, and in fact, I don't know what
the situation was, but she got let go a few
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years after I left and had something to do with
I think not having kid gloves, you know, on when
she was dealing with high school kids, because it was intense,
like I cried several times. It was like during the
process of being in theater there, it was super super intense.
But I ended up getting all these opportunities, winning awards,
and then I went to the nationals for this National
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Shakespeare competition in New York, and that's how I got
my agent, William Morris, which is so random. And then
I had that agent before I even got signed. So
it was like this whole It was this whole weird
kind of backwards thing that happened. And still I told them.
I was like, well, I'm you know, I'm going to
do this music thing. But yeah, I mean, you know,
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I was. I was naive about it. Was like, yeah,
if you guys want to throw me some auditions, like cool.
I never did anything with it until after I got signed.
They were looking for people to be in the background
for Johnny Cash's band in Walk the Line, and so
my agent was like, Okay, I think I have an
audition you might want to do. You just have to
go in and play a Johnny Cash song and they're
looking for guys just to be in his band. And
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so I went in and they said, oh, you look
like Elvis. Do you do you know any Elvis songs?
And I was like yeah, because he was my favorite.
I played them a bunch of Elva songs and then
I got called back to read lines as Elvis, and
I was like what, Like so it was so weird
because I didn't see that coming and uh, and then
I don't know if I've told you a story, but
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then I got the part and I said no, and
I turned it down because I was like, no, no.
So I've been telling you guys, I'm not like, I'm
not an actor, so don't put me in a movie,
especially like as my hero, Like I'm gonna I don't
want I don't want to mess that up. Like I'm
not here to try to like mess up a movie
that I actually want to see. But I ran into
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Walking Phoenix in a bar randomly, and he like he
recognized me from my audition tape. I was in nobody
and he was like, dude, you tried out for Elvis.
I saw your audition tape. You got to do this movie. Literally,
it's how it happened. I couldn't believe it. And I
was like, and I told him the whole thing. I
was like, oh, but it was a mistake. I went
in for your background band. I'm a musician and they
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asked me to read lines as Elvis and I told
them like, I'm not an actor, like I'm signed to
Warner Brothers. That's like not my thing. And he went
through this whole thing. No res and I are nervous.
We've never played music before. We've been in guitar lessons
for like two years. They're trying to cast musicians as
that as the musicians in the movie. Everyone's gonna be uncomfortable.
You gotta do it. And I was like I already
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said no, and he was like, oh, call your agent
and see if it's like a possibility literally, and so
I called my agent and they were like, yeah, it's
still available if you want to do it. I was like,
I just ran into Walking Phoenix at a bar and
he told me, like, I should do this if it's
still available, and they were like, yeah it is. And
that crazy and I was like begging to be an actor.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And then you playing hard to get getting Joaquin Phoenix
begging you to do the movie. That's bonkers, dude, I
didn't know that story. It was.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
It was really wild, and I think they were just
looking for Yeah, they were looking for musicians. So it
was like me Wayland Painning, Shooter Jennings, a guy named
Jonathan Rice, just all these guys would never acted before
and they really wanted that, and and then everything, you know,
and then you know, done a bunch of acting since then,
which is just crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And you know, you had that sexy in difference, Like
it's it's the truth. That's like if you when you
go in not desperate, you know, it's sort of like
when you audition for something when you're already on something
and because the stakes are so low for you, it's
like you end up having a better success rate because
you're not desperately hoping it's gonna work out, because people
can feel it desperation, the fact that you're like I'm good, nah,
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literally like.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Please, I'm telling you, don't put me in. It's like,
you know, it's like when when you're single, like trying
to date a girl, it's like the more you're like, ah, whatever,
I'm not sure I'm into it. They're like, come on,
you know, I know it's so weird that I look
back now and I think, dude, but you know, yeah,
and then you know, and then a bunch of stuff
after that, and I just kept being like no, no, no,
I don't want to do the acting thing. I don't
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want to do that. But I ended up being like
the best time in my life doing that movie. It
was really unbelievable, really special, and Elvis was like my
favorite growing up, and through that movie, I got to
go to Graceland after hours one night, like Lisa Marie
hooked it up so we could all go there at night,
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and I got to like bring my guitar and sit
by his grave and play a bunch of songs at
his gravesite, like in the middle of the night at Graceland,
and I was like, wow, it was actually a good
lesson for me to be like you need to shut
up and just say yes, like, just let the universe
do what the universe is gonna do, and don't try
to like, no, no, this is what I'm don't shape
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the bush, you know, just let it grow. Because so
many gifts came from that movie, and I was so
adamant about not being in it and ended up being amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Did you put on an Elvis affect when you read
the lines?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
No? And I was like so into it the thing too.
I was like, Hey, if I'm gonna do this thing,
because Elvis meant so much to me, I was like,
I'm not going to do this Elvis impersonator thing. I'm
going to play a nineteen year old from Memphis, because
that's all he is in this movie. He's not the
king of anything. He's not Elvis Presley. He's just a
nineteen year old from Memphis, you know. And so I
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just kept thinking that the whole time, with like the lines,
I had just like nineteen year old kid from Memphis,
and then the wardrobe in the setting and everything else
did the rest of it, you know, But at the
time he didn't know, you know. I think that's what
was charming about him then, is he was just some
dumb kid, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, And you know, at least eighty percent of the
people who came in to read for Elvis, we're laying
on a rig effect. Yeah, you know, it's like playing drunk.
It's like the good people do it with subtlety, you know,
it's so easy to play drunk poorly.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, It's like with.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Something like that, I imagine the bad first take is
going heavy on the on the Elvis, you know, think
of her removed. You know, it's like, yeah, walk that back, guys.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I know I wonder that too. With the Elvis movie,
I actually didn't want to see what's his name do that?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Elvis Butler?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, because I was like, oh, this is gonna be dumb,
and I'm so protective of Elvis, and I was just like,
I don't care. I don't care, and I don't want
to see somebody like cheese it up. And then I
was on a plane and I was like, whatever, let's
just watch five minutes of this. That's my move on
a plane is I'll watch five minutes of every single movie.
I can just five minutes. And I said, a timer,
and I don't know anything about it, just start it
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just to see if it hooks me in. And so
I was like, I'll do five minutes of the Elvis one.
And I was really impressed. I was really into it.
I mean, he won't care, but he should because I
feel like I was a hard critic for that. I
was like, Wow, this kid is really really good at it,
and the movie like really moved me, So I thought
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that was kudos to them.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, I had heard that he had to hire a
dialect coach after the movie to help him lose the
Elvis in.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Fact, but did you hear what happened? Like he was
filming it and then he was like stuck in character,
and then the pandemic happened, so they had like delay
filming like six months or eight months. So he's stuck
in a hotel room, stucking character, and now filming has
been so he was in the character for like three
years or something crazy, and he decided to like jump
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all the way in thinking it would be like, you know,
an eight month shoot or whatever it was, and ended
up being like two years or longer. And he was, yeah,
left there, like they stranded him in Elvis in a
hotel room.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
That's funny the idea of him just slowly losing his
mind in a hotel room by himself as Elvis.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, it's like kind of like a wild, a wild situation.
I was like, I kind of wish there was a
movie about that, a guy getting like left in Elvis
method world.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Speaking of when you were talking about doing high school theater.
Have you ever seen the movie Hamlet too?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Okay, if you for those of you listening, if you
haven't seen Hamlet Too. I believe it's Steve Coogan and
it's a great cast. Skyler asked, and I think is
easy young in it? Is it Catherine Keener or Elizabeth Keaneer?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
For you?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
WHI Keener? It is? But it's it's about a high
school teacher who decides to write a sequel to Hamlet,
And of course everyone's like, doesn't everyone die? At the
end He's like, I have a device and but it's
basically he's unhinged and it's hilarious. It's a great great wah.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I gotta have to see it. I'm gonna write it down.
I actually love Steve ko that's so funny. What about you?
How did you? How did you go from magic to
on screen? Like? Were you in theater or no agent
or make the jump at all? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I uh an agent at William Morris hit my mom
with this and to make it up. Yeah, he gave
me a career. No, so I stopped doing magic in
eighth grade. In high school, I remember watching theater from
Afar and thinking it looked awesome, and we had comedy
sports at my high school, improv you know, yeah, And
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I remember again being so excited and interested in it,
but also being so terrified of it. So I just
from afar. I kind of admired it. And then I
went to university and I studied economics, and my last semester,
my roommates and I took intro to acting acting one
oh one, just to sort of pad our schedules. We
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had all these like super gnarly math and econ classes,
and with thought like, well, this will be a good break.
And I loved it. And I remember the teacher said
it wasn't anything crazy, but she just said, hey, if
you ever want to give this a shot, it might
be worth you giving it a shot. Like that was it.
It wasn't like you're the best thing since sliced bread,
but it was just like, hey, you seem to enjoy this,
(34:22):
you're decent d at it. You maybe want to give
it a go. And it planted a seat in my
head and I ended up getting a consulting job right
out of school. And I went into consulting and I
was miserable, Like I remember sitting at my desk on
day two with this sinking feeling in my chest because
I had succeeded. I crushed in school. I graduated with
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honors from high school, from college, I got this highly
coveted position, and I was sitting in my cubicle just
going is this It was shit? I got duped. This
is awful.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You essentially got what you were looking for, whatever one
was working for or whatever, and yeah, that's wow.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, Like I remember thinking to myself, I got I
got the brass ring, like I did the thing, and
this is it. Like I got duped, and so I
was miserable. It was six really really really hard months
of adjusting to it, but it was the first time
whereever I experienced like anxiety and depression. And what started
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to happen was, you know, I'm just at this point
like this isn't the long term solution for me, Like
I figured something else out.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
And I was months. Yeah, yeah, I'm an adult and
now I've got expendable income to like, oh my god,
I made a huge mistake in six months. That's wild.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, well listen, on day two I called my mom
from my cubicle and told her, hey, I made a
huge mistake. Day two. Yeah, I knew, and she said, listen,
you you can't put it job on your resume unless
you've been there for at least a year, so you've
got to stick it out. I was like, oh okay,
and I so fast forward. I get a little bit
(36:10):
more adjusted and settled at the job, like about a
year into it, and I go to my cousin's wedding
and I'm just there and this woman comes up to
me and she says, what do you do? And I said, oh,
I'm a consultant. And she says, well, you're wasting your time.
You should be acting or modeling, and which is a weird, random,
(36:30):
weird thing for like a stranger to say. But here's
the thing. Because I was so desperate for a life
change that I just was like, great, okay, what do
we do? And she said, I have a friend who
works at an agency. Get some pictures taken and I'll
pass them on no promises. So the woman I had
replaced at this consulting firm, she had left to become
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a photographer. So I had her come to the company's
parking lot after work one day take pictures of me
in the company parking lot, like in your.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Work clothes, like in a tie looking like.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Like like in my work shirt, and then in a
T shirt and then shirtless like anyone who was like
working overtime that day, looked out into the company parking
lot and saw the like junior consultant shirtless in front
of a Volvo opposing you know.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Uh the woman replaced taking pictures of him seriously.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
All of a sudden, her leaving to become a photographer
made sense because I was like, oh, yeah, this job's terrible,
I see what you mean. And uh, this woman who
worked at the agency ended up being the president of
the agency, and so she brought me in and they
ended up signing me with a commercial agent and a
modeling agent and that was that was sort of it.
And from that point I just started like self submitting
(37:42):
myself every day because sometime have a theatrical rep and
just hustled my butt off. But I loved it, you know,
and my job, like you never forget. I was auditioning
for a ross commercial ross dress for less and I
was a callback and I was still living at my parents'
house and Claremont at the time, So to drive from
Claremont into wherever it was Santa Monica in the afternoon.
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I hit crazy traffic right, so I ended up being
about an hour late. These people had heard that I
had been in the car for two hours, so unknownst
to me, they had already found their guy. They were like,
but this kid drove two hours, Like, let's just see him.
So I go in and I do the normal part
of the commercial room, like holding up a shirt or something,
and then they go, hey, for the callback. We were having.
Everybody dance so bad it makes us laugh. Is that
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something you'd feel comfortable with? And I'll never forget. I
didn't skip it, but I just went put the music
on and I proceeded to just dance like an absolute
idiot for about sixty seconds straight, just freestyling. And I
booked it in the room. And that was how I
became SAG eligible and was able to, you know, like
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you know, submit for more stuff. And that was my
first thing. That was That was how I got my
SAG card.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Were you still consulting at the time or had you quit?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
No? I had told them because it was a bit
of a boys club, this firm, and I knew if
I said, hey, I'm leaving to be an actor, that
didn't really give me any like possibilities with them in
the future. So I decided to tell them I was
leaving to go travel Asia and then come back and
get my MBA because I knew it would sound good
to them. And they were like, hey, we love that.
(39:20):
That's so admirable, Like, yeah, rip it up in Asia,
get your NBA. The door's open for you when you
come back. And then about a month and a half later,
I have a commercial for Ross on the air and
I get a call from one of my former bosses
going how's Asia. I was like, funny thing happened on
the way to the airport, but even he was like, listen,
(39:43):
you don't belong here, Like this makes more sense, you know,
because I was always the guy. Like the year I
got hired, they hired two candidates, two me and this
gal from Caltech who was a double major in mathematics
and computer science. I'm no dummy, but I sat down
with her on the first day and like, I heard
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her credentials and I genuinely remember thinking, did they have
like a friendly white guy quota to fill?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Why?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Again, I'm not dumb, but like, why am I here?
And so the whole time I was there, I just
told myself it's because like she'll be the one to
crunch the numbers, I'll be the one to present to
the company. But the whole time it was like very clear,
like I'm this isn't my bag, Like it doesn't fulfill
me the way it does some of these guys. And
also it's not my strength, you know, because it was dude,
(40:35):
it was hardcore nerdery, Like, but you spent so much.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Time in numbers and economics and math, like I mean
just in academia and general between high school and college.
Did you ever miss it? Or like, would you go back?
Speaker 1 (40:49):
And No, I don't miss it at all. I got
into econ because in high school I took one ECON class.
I'm a visual learner and a lot of began economics
is like supplying demand lines on a graph. So I
was like this, this makes sense to my brain. I
can follow these lines moving around. And it wasn't until
I got about a year into it that I realized
(41:10):
how much math was involved. Do I miss it? Not
at all? Would I ever go back to it? Not again?
But I do love how good I am with numbers,
Like I can impress my wife when I can be
like a little human calculator or something, you know, because
I know it impresses her. So she'll toss some numbers
out and I'll be like real quick to answer it.
She'll be like, damn, that makes me feel ten feet tall.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
That's right, dude, that's cool. That's Unbelievablebelieve. I always feel
like life happens in these quick little moments, you know
what I mean, that you have no control over, and
it's like amazing the amount of importance it lands on
these just these quick little moments like that, like going
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to a wedding, deciding to go to a wedding, having
however you did your hair at that wedding, or whether
you had son on your face or whatever, like crazy
that whatever it made that woman say that to you
and change your whole life, or you know, running into
walking Phoenix in a bar or whatever, you know, just random,
you know the things that just like it wasn't about
(42:14):
all the steps I took to whatever, Like it's never
about what you think it is. You know that those
are almost the things that like that like keep you busy,
just to take your just to distract you while like
the real is going on around you. It's just unbelievable,
you know, crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
So let's let's let's talk a bit more about the
stuff people are gonna know about, which is for our
common uh our common job being One Tree Hill. Oh
that is where you and I first met. I've asked
this to a couple of people on the show because
I'm very curious when you hear the theme song, what
is the reaction in your body? If any you.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Know I it does actually like amp me up, because
I like, I don't I don't know if this is
like a cheesy answer, but like, and I'm not saying
this to be like a keener or like a brown noser,
but like, I like being part of a team, and
(43:15):
so much of my art in my work is solitary,
you know, I'm not part of a band, Like I'm
a solo you know, singer songwriter. Like if I have
a band, they work for me. And like when I
there was just not a lot of like team building
going on, and the movies I did it was cool,
but it's a short period of time. One Tree Hill
(43:36):
was the first thing, and it came along when I
was college age, because I was nineteen or something like that.
When I gone on the show when it was like
it truly felt like a team, and I wasn't ready
for it. I didn't expect to fall in love with
being part of a group like that. But when we
were doing I came on the show at a time
(43:57):
when I think the show was also happened to be
taking off. So they use me for the promo and stuff.
But when that song will come on we walk on
to TRL or we'd be doing different signing or mall,
it would make me feel like, whoa, it's a weird feeling.
This isn't my song, This isn't like Ladies and Gentlemen
Tyler Hilton. But it made me feel like there were
always other people in the cast around me, and it
(44:19):
made me feel like, yeah, I don't know, made me
feel like this is our team. And a much cooler
answer would be like i'd be like, oh God, here
we go again. But even still, when we're doing these
conventions and stuff, and I joke about it a lot, like,
you know, here we go, it's gonna be like not out.
But even there's a small part of me that when
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I hear that, I'm like, it feels like are like
taking the field music or something like that, you know,
And I don't know, I kind of dig it. I
get excited and I'm not that tired of it. And
I mean, Govin's great, Kevin's a great artist. I really
like his songs. But you would think I would be
kind of tired of this song point and I get
(45:01):
like this sparta thrill out of it when I hear it,
like yeah, here we go.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I don't know, do you have a favorite memory for
montre Hill?
Speaker 2 (45:11):
You know, there is like a lot, but like I
think looking back, the like the like sweetest and the
one that's like, oh my gosh. Like I had no idea.
Was like when I they wanted me to go on
the show and play one song, and uh, and I
was going to go do a song and then continue
on my tour and I didn't know anything about the show.
I didn't just like with walk the Line, I didn't
(45:32):
want to do it and all this stuff. And my
label was like, you know, this is part of our
rollout for your single or whatever. You have to go
on this show and sing the song and they want
you to like say lines as this guy. And I
got to Wilmington. I'd never seen the show or heard
of it. Or anything. And I remember the front office
gave me a box of VHS's and I got there
(45:54):
on a Friday. I was going to film on a Monday,
I think a Friday was there for like the fitting
or something. I went to Walmart and bought it one
of those TV VHS combination situations. I plugged in my
room and I was like, let me just watch the
first episode of this thing that weekend. I crushed the
entire first season. I was so into the show. I
got so into it, and I never really gotten into
a teen drama like that. So Monday, when I went
(46:16):
on set, instead of being like, oh hi, Hillary, nice
to meet you, Hello Sophia, I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
That's Peyton.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Like in a weekend, I'd become a super fan of
the show. And so I think, like, looking back, that's
like one of the sweeter moments for me. Also because
I was a new fan of the show and now
I was walking onto the set of my new favorite
TV show and I happened to be a character on
it all of a sudden, it was like the weirdest
you know, it was the weirdest thing. So I was,
(46:46):
you know, I was in the scene with all the
people that I was just in a show, just binginging,
you know, but a lot of like after that.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
I remember the first time I saw you performing on
our show, you say, I think it's love gun A
loaded gun, loaded gun. Yeah, I'll never forget because I
didn't know who you were at the time. I hadn't
heard your music, and we had never cross paths our characters,
and I remember having an actual moment of thinking, Oh, dang,
(47:17):
this guy's this guy's the real deal. He's really weird. Yeah.
I remember being very impressed with you, and that was
super cool about it was come full circle to you
and I doing the drama Queen's tour. You performed in
like Boston or one of the shows, and I had
a similar moment where I was like, oh, and this one,
Like that tour was right when you and I, like
(47:38):
our friendship really kind of started to click into place
because we'd always been like friendly, but we had never
been proper friends. But I remember watching you perform on
stage and I was I was so proud. I was
beaming as if like you were my son or something.
But it was like I'm watching my buddy rip it up.
He's so good. Oh, dude, it was so cool. But yeah,
(47:58):
my first impression of you was like, oh, this kid's
the real deal. He's like really really good at this.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Wow. Yeah, it's funny though. And season nine, when we
kept interacting and I've told you this before too, I
kept being like, I feel like Rob and I should
be friends, and we're like, have no opportunity to be friends, Like,
there's no we're never in scenes together. We lived in
different areas of the town, we were in different clicks
on the show essentially, and there was just no And
(48:25):
I think you would even either done something with Megan
or she would run into and I remember she'd be like, oh, yeah,
I hung with Rob Buckley or I saw him, and
I'd be like, I think I've even told her. I
was like, I want to be friends with that guy?
How do I like? Why? Why aren't we How do
we become friends? And then after that drama Queen's Tour,
I think we were like, that's it, let's be friends.
How do we do this? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (48:46):
It's like we.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Were in like such similar circumstances. We're both in towns,
we had no other friends. We were both like chained
to our houses. Because we were like new fathers and
we were like, that's it. This is the moment, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
I remember being in the back of a cab with
you and coming coming back to the hotel after one
of those shows, and I remember feeling it so clearly
in my heart that you were supposed to be in
my life, like this, this is a friend who is
supposed to be in my life. And it was like,
all right, because same as you. Every time we cross
paths at a convent, she'd be like, that guy's great,
(49:19):
we should talk more, you know. But that's kind of
where it ended.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Weber being in the back of the cab going like this,
this guy needs to be my friend. We need to
be we need to be friends. And wow, and then
we have we bonded over being dads and all the
fun stuff. Yeah, being fish out of water in these
towns where we don't know people, and no, when.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I think we've done like a great job at like
and maybe this is being older, is like really putting
effort into the friendship. And I think at this age too,
it's so easy to get lonely and to not share
your feelings with other people or other guys. But we're
going through so many similar things. It's such a crazy
thing what happened during this pandemic as artists, You and
(50:01):
I as dads leaving LA and both moving to random towns.
You know. Like it's been important for me for us
to talk as often as we have because a lot
of my relationships with guys before you essentially was you know, stunting,
you know, being a little bit like yeah, you know whatever.
(50:21):
And with you, I feel like i've over the last
couple of years. You know, You're the kind of guy
that I could be like, I don't know what I'm doing, man,
you know, I don't know, Like I'm totally lost here,
you know, And it's nice to have a dude to
do that too.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah. Man, the feeling's mutual. I you know, we're parents,
Like you don't have much free time, so I don't
have the time to do those kind of phone calls,
Like I have only a set free amount of minutes
each day. I need to make them counts. It's like, yeah,
I need to make the call where I can be like,
my kids are driving me nuts. I'm about to lose it, buddy,
what do I do? You know? As opposed to being
(50:56):
like hey, what's up? Did you watch football this week?
Speaker 2 (50:58):
You know, it's like, come on, one that you can
understand if your kid is trying to pull the phone
out of your hand while you're talking, they're like, come on, man,
just call me. When you're like what is this? You know,
it's like I feel you. In fact, one of my
proudest moments is when your son asked you if you
wanted to call me while you guys were in the
car the other day.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
I was like, ah, yeah, that was adorable. Man. Should
we call Tyler? Dad? Dads like, we absolutely should call Tyler? Man?
And then we called you and you said hey, Grover,
and he said, I'm unavailable right now. I'm reading a book.
I was like, look at you playing, who are you Tyler?
Trying to turn down the role of Elvis? Okay, buddy,
(51:35):
well listen, we gotta wrap this thing up. But before
we do, why don't you tell the folks what you
got going on?
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Oh man? First of all, I just want to say
Lance and everyone with the podcast, like, thank you for
giving us the opportunity to do this. Is so good
for me to just every time we get to talk
and hang out and it's hope. This wasn't too boring
and was interesting to you guys. But this was very fun.
But yeah, I'm going out on tour in November, so
(52:02):
I'll be all across the United States. So if you
guys want to check it out, my instagram is Tyler
Hilton Tyler Hilton dot com where the tour dates are.
But I'll be in LA and the West Coast a lot,
and I'm touring a lot next year too, So just
that's my main thing at a lot of shows right now.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
You got a little book action going on.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, and I got the kids book coming
out in the spring, so I'll let you guys know
more about that when it comes out. But it's called
Daddy Liven Concert and it's just about a dad, you know,
putting on concerts for his kids, which I did a
lot during the pandemic. And it'll be a I think
it's like really sweet situation too.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
You got you Got music concert, it's a tour a
book author. You find the time, I'm want.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
To start making them put author in front of my name,
even though it's just a kid's book author.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
You're a multi hyphen it now you realize that, Shoot,
you're actor singer author on Triple Threats. That's incredibles.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
When you write a kid's book, I realized it's really
only a page on a PDF, you know what I mean,
because they spread it out over an entire book. Once
the book was done, I was like, Oh, there's my book.
You could print it out on a piece of paper
or two.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Hey man, silent movies aren't any less of a movie
just because there's no dialogue, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Books a book got published? Baby?
Speaker 2 (53:23):
What about you? What do you? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (53:26):
You know? I'm just trying to find a new hairstyle
that fits the size of my giant head. I'm also
doing this podcast called Drama Queens. It's a one Tree
Hill rewatch podcasts with Sophia Bush and Bethany joy Lenz
and just dadding my face off and.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Wait time to ask what? And I've kind of got
into this a little bit at the convention, But like,
how is it watching these episodes back? It's been fifteen
years since you film some stuff? Is it like someone
forcing me to watch home movies every week? Or like
is it cringe worthy for you? Or is it like
(54:07):
what you think?
Speaker 1 (54:08):
It's all of that My first note from the first
episode I watched was, oh, my god, we were babies
because we all look so young. And there have been
plenty of cringe worthy moments, whether it's just like something
I'm doing, like a performance of mine, or it's a
storyline that has not aged well. I've also forgotten so
(54:31):
much of the show that I'm basically watching as a
first time viewer. There's some big stuff I remember, but
it's but it's cool. Though.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Did you ever watched it? Have you ever watched these episodes?
Speaker 1 (54:41):
I think I watched most of I joined season seven,
eight and nine, and I think I watched most of
those episodes when they aired. But when the show was done,
I was I was very comfortable leaving it in the
past because it was kind of a rough time for
me personally, So I was it was more than comfortable
(55:01):
just going like, great, let's close the door on that,
and that's that can stay back there, and.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
You did a bunch of other stuff, so you're like
focused on the next thing.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
And it was also because it wasn't like a fun
time for me, Like it wasn't a lot of great memories.
Like I said, like, personally, I was just I was
on the struggle bus man, and so like the going
back to like when I like, when you hear the song,
like my viscile reaction is I kind of go wow,
because that that theme song is sort of interwoven into
this time where I was just having a really tough time.
(55:34):
It's a bit different now now it's sort of a
mixed bag because it's like it has taken on a
new meaning and in doing this podcast, because I'm able
to revisit it with adult eyes.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
When you started the show, if I can ask, like.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Fifty one, No, No, I was let's see, I turned
thirty on the show, so probably twenty eight or twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Oh, it's a whole different time to enter a show. No,
it's totally crazy. Yeah, because for me, I hear that song,
that's like hearing my high school theme song or something.
I'm like nineteen or whatever it is, you know, and
like that's that is wild And I was off the show.
But yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah, you entered the show
as a full man. That's wild.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Well, really, I'd hit puberty like three years prior, so
it wasn't quite a full man yet, but I was.
I was definitely on my way all right, gang, thanks
for joining us. Lance. I hope you're having the best
time at Magic Camp. Hopefully next time you can be
here when we do this. We love you.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
This was fun. Thank you, guys. Thank you for listening.
If you guys are still listening by the end of
this episode, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
All right, have a good one everybody.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
See you guys, Hey, thanks for listening. Follow us on
Instagram at Frosted Tips.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
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