June 13, 2023 • 36 mins
Greatest Day…because we’re back for more with Robbie Williams!
Find out what happened when Robbie pushed his bandmates too far and how he came back from the brink.
Plus, Robbie and Lance discuss the terrifying side of being in a boy band!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hello,
my Little Peanuts sits me your host Lance Bass. This
is Frosted Tips with Me and my co host Jay Dizzel.
What up, Jay Dizzel. It's part two of our Robbie
Williams interview. I've been waiting so long. Yeah, well, I
already know what happens and it is good. All right,
(00:25):
it is good. So let's get to the second part
of a Robbie Williams interview. Right now, let's get to
the breakup of Take That in ninety five, heartbreaking for
many in America. Y'all are just starting to break. I
mean it was I mean all about Take That and
then I think you're maybe are going to do a tour,
and then you broke up and didn't get to do
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the tour. Obviously massive all over the world. From your
point of view, how did that all go down, those
last moments of Take That? And did you ever think
that you would ever be able to pick it up
many years later?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Well, I was in a spiritual emotional life spiral and
one of the first of many nervous breakdowns. You know,
you don't know you're going through that at the time
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because you don't have capacity or the words to understand
what it is that's actually happening to you. And mixed
with that, I think the the the years of being
the runt of the litter and what was happening outside.
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I had a contract out on me to kill me
where I was from, and I wasn't safe anywhere. Basically,
I wasn't safe at home and I.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Had someone want to kill you.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody the pub told me, oh.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
My, for what reason? Just because you're in a boy band?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, jez yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I mean it is crazy. I mean, we've had a
lot of death threats, you know, within sync, I mean,
and to the point where we don't even share a
lot of the stories because we don't want fans to
get upset. But there were some crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But his thing now, especially with social media, is that
you know, the woods I've been there's been a death
threat issued against me, are issued so freely that nobody
takes the serious. It's because like even I read it,
and I was getting death threats, and you know, but like, no,
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you're getting death threats.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Exactly, and all it takes is one to really follow.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Through, you know, the threats on your.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Life, especially with social media like Twitter. I had to
get off Twitter because I don't know how many times
people were telling me they're going to murder me on Twitter, right,
and and then send pictures of my home, right, you know,
and you're like, Okay, that's that's a little much. Do
you ever get worried? I mean, it's I like getting older,
because I think a lot of that kind of dampers
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down a little bit, especially with like the young fans.
But do you ever worry about your family?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah? Not not not anymore. And I have protection and
all of that business. But what I've noticed, especially entering
into middle age and which I'm now a member of,
the jealousy and the hatred. But I mean it's still
out there, but it's not the same thing, you know.
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It's like I was physically unsafe whenever I left my
home in Stoke on Trent. We do two things really
well in Stoke kindness, we're the kindest people you will
ever meet. We also do violence incredibly well. And you
don't know who you're going to get, you know. So
I wasn't safe at home, and I wasn't safe in
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the band. Management and interpersonal relationships within the band, so
there was escape for me, and where would I escape.
I would escape in drink and drugs. And that mixed
with a nervous mental breakdown and a rehearsing for a tour.
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I told the boys that after this tour I wanted
to leave the band. And and one day we went
in for rehearsals and you know, very cinematic the night
before as me down in a bottle of Jack Daniels
and then crying on my knees, naked, looking up at
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the ceiling.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You know that's the opening of your movie.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, in the movie. I don't think. I don't know
if that's in the movie, but it's very cinematic, isn't it?
Very dramatic? And next day I go in and then
rehearse badly because I'm hungover. And then the boys say
we need to speak to you, and they sit me
down and they say, look, we know that you want
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to leave after this tour, but we were thinking we'd
like to do this tour as afore to see how
we get on. What do you think? And I was like,
it was just like my opportunity there in that moment
to unplug and you know, remove myself from a situation
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that I thought was causing me great stress and great
pain for whatever reason that was.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, take us on their journey from knowing that you
weren't going to do that tour to your first solo song.
What did that look like? How did you get there?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Do you know? It's like a Guy Ritchie movie like
that that I'm not in the most trouble that I
could be in at this point out the frying pan
into the fire, and there are a lot of people
that are still alive, so you know, there would be protective,
protective of their own reputations. So the stuff that I
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could get into is a film in itself. But the
footnotes are I take my record company to court to
get out of the contract for one reason or another.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Didn't you have to pay?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well? I leave take that with one point two. Yeah,
it cost me one point five to get out of
my record deal. So I sign with EMI and I
am three hundred grand in the red.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Biggest band in the world, biggest band in the world.
You don't have enough money coming out.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Of that, No, I have. I have minus three hundred thousands.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, that is nuts.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
That is so nuts. Yeah, well it all worked out
because your solo career just took off like no other.
Remember the first time and you'll never remember this, but
I did meet you in Spain. God, what year was that?
Probably ninety eight in an elevator. I had no idea
who we were at the times. We were just coming
out over there, but you were super nice in the elevator.
(07:24):
But yeah, it was good for me, y, yeah, good
for you good yeah, So yeah ninety six. Did you
know where was the solo career in the works towards
the end of take that? Or was that just a
surprise to you?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
To what? I had a incredible overwhelming feelings of lack
of self worth and no esteem, mixed with an unconsciable
belief that something out there for me is massive. And
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I hadn't written a song at the time, but I
was like, I'm going to write songs and I'm going
to sing them, and my albums are going to sell
millions and I'm going to do huge shows.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And I mean, and you became an incredible songwriter. Do
you remember what was the first song you wrote?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Angels was like one of the first songs, Yeah, Angels.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yes, I feel like a loser now.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Dude, like you know, like you know that this, I
believe that something exists out there in the ethereal, like
something that we're unaware of. Because you know, I've written
probably seven hundred songs since then. I haven't done it again.
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Not I've done really well. You know, I've written some
great things, but I haven't written anything that's that. And
it's not lost on me that the song Angels is
about angels or Angel Michael or Angel Gabriel, And I
don't know. There's just moments in people's life that are
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sliding doors moments. And that was the biggest slideing door
moment that I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
When Angels came out. How quickly did that take off?
I mean I think that was I mean immediate hit. Right.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Well, I'd had four singles and I was just my
album would come out and the record company had signed
me for a lot of money and it sold thirty
three thousand copies. At the time, this was abysmal, and
a note went around the record company to drop Robbie Williams.
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Really and then, you know, I don't know why or
how they gave me this chance with Angels and Bump,
you know, it just went stratospheric and went stratospheric straight away.
But it all could have been so different.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And you've experienced with experimented with a lot of different
genres too, and a lot of your albums, like you
said before, you know, we are kind of came from
different loves of music. What genre did you enjoy most recording?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well, I was just thinking this on the way. He is, like,
I love I love music, and I love culture and
I love cultures and I want to be everything. I
want to be straight, I want to be gay. I
want to be a teddy boy. I want to be
a rocker. I want to be a punk. I want
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to be a rapper. I want to be a West
End Wendy. You know, I want to be in.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Theater original fluid.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Well, yeah I am. I am fluid when it comes
to music and what and I want to be I
want to be everything. There's nothing that I don't want
to be. Maybe thrash metal, but you know, thrash metal
has its place for people and they have their love
for it, and I get that you love it. It's
not for me to but absolutely everything else. It's like
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I want to inhabit it and be it, you know,
like an like an actor. You know, if you get
lucky and you're on a soap and you remain on
a soap and you get a solid job, that's great.
But as an actor, I'd want to be you know,
John McClain, But I'd also want to be Tom hankson
Philadelphia or you know, or I want to try on
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I want to try on everything. It's like, if we're
allowed to identify I am a straight camp guy, that's
that's my my thing is like I'm I'm camp and
I love being camp, and that's how I identify. I don't know,
when you walk down this this road, when you talk
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about this stuff, this stuff, you can only get in trouble.
That's true, there's no there's no.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Get offended by anything you said.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
But there's no there's no sort of like debate, and
there's no gray areas, and there's no love, and there's
no opportunity to understand people's sensibilities and how it holds
space for people to exist in the place that they
want to exist in if it doesn't hurt anybody else exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Freedom expression is amazing as long as you literally don't
hurt anyone whoever you want.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
To be Yeah, be whoever you want to be, doing
whatever you you love that whatever makes you feel good,
and yeah, I'm I'm ay. Yeah, that's that's that's where
I am. I would have loved to have. Yeah, I
would have loved Like I say, I want to be
a punk rocker, want to be a teddy boy, want
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to be a rapper. I want to be gay, want
to be straight, want to be by I want to
be whatever. I want to experience it all.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I love your wife so much, unless she have I'm
known for a long time. We became poker buddies back
in the day.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, she's very fond of you.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, it's when when poker was like the thing, remember
early two thousands and everyone was playing poker, so we'd
have poker night at my house. A lot loved her
and that's when she's met you at that time, and
she fell madly in love and I never saw her.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
That was the last she saw of you.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, she got into the Robbi Williams world.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
She got into the Robbie Williams world and then moved
to the UK. But she's she's so, she speaks lovely,
so affectionately about you. She's very, very fond of you
and we should get back.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
We are for sure. How did y'all meet? I don't
even know the story of how y'all blind date?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Really yeah, a friend of ours, mutual friend of ours,
and chaos and chewed and it wasn't you know, it
wasn't playing sailing. But seventeen years later, I have, I have.
I was just about to say I have felt no
great love, but I have because I've got four kids,
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So that's that's just.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
But how did she? I mean, every girl wants to
tame Robert Williams, How does she get you?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Sliding doors moment? You know, another one of those sliding
doors moments where my solo career was now giving me
a nervous breakdown, and I decided that I was going
to retire because I love to make sweeping statements, and
I retired in my head and I met Ida at
the same time. And you know, she if I if
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I I didn't know what I wanted or what I
needed or who it was, I couldn't have described them.
But now looking at my wife, it's so obvious what
I needed and what I wanted.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The universe gives you exactly what you need when you
need it. Yeah, is that when you moved to America?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
No, no, no, no. I moved to America first year
of sobriety, when I was twenty three, And you know,
I met Ida that was funny and dynamic and interesting
and interested. And when I say funny, hysterical and loving
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and empathic. And you know, there's never been a second
where I've been bored with my wife, bared of her,
or bored with her. And yeah, she just yeah, I
mean I could, I could tear up thinking about her
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because I'm just so in love.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well you can see it for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And your kids are they getting an entertainment? Oh my god, yeah,
you're like, no.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
No, no, it would be so weird if they wanted
to be an accountant or lawyer, I'd be so upset. Well,
everybody wants to be a lawyer. You know, you should
really think about joining a boy band and you want
to be a lawyer. But watch your plan. B is
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it content creator?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
That's what I said. We start a boy band with
all ex boy band members. We got oh my god,
Johnny Wahlberg's kid, You got your kid. Mine's gonna be
too young, but we'll get some how. Eighteen months My
kids are, so they've got a way to go.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Is that so your kids are brand new?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Oh yeah, just babies.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
For some reason, I thought you had a kid a
while ago. How was your kid?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I've got a dog that's five years old.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Oh really? Okay, Well you know there's never been a
boy band or a girl band with a dog in it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
There you go, there you go, true, you write it down.
You got lots to do.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Do you think? Okay, you're nineteen months old?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Kids? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
On now eighteen? Would you do you think? Literally if
a boy band, what what would they go?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Boy? Or boy and a girl?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Boy and a girl? Okay, what would you think about
them joining a boy band at eighteen?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I mean I wouldn't mind. I would support whatever they
want because now, knowing what I know now, I could
protect them a lot more. Me too, Yeah, so I'd
be fine with it.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, me too, fine with it.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I would not. I would rather than be the drummer,
just because I think, you know, being a public figure,
it just comes with so much pressure, especially right now,
and a lot of more danger.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I think I think you should be I think you
should have a license to manage. I think you should
you should have to have a license to manage young people,
anybody underneath, anybody under the age of twenty one. You
should have a license, and your license should be So.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's true, it's like the wild wild West with these
young entertainers. And now because I'm actually working on a
documentary now where we're looking at that, you know, underage
kids that are especially TikTok stars and all this, that
are getting so taken advantage of and abused. And it's
just a hellish world out there that these kids are
not being protected at all and there's no rules and
regulations for because they're social media stars, so they're not
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you know, they're not real people. Yeah, it's it's it's
sad what a lot of these kids are going through.
And it never changes. It's like you hear these horror
stories for the last five decades, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
And it's before. I'm sure underneath every rock in the
entertainment industry is a predator of some sort ready to
take advantage of you.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, especially when it comes to kids. Yeah, sadly, how
did it who approached you to bring back take that?
And what year was that?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
That was? What two thousand and.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, Yeah, how did that go down? Was it Gary,
that was like, yeah, it's time.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
The boys were recording album in Los Angeles. They've just
done this tour called The Circus, and I saw the
Circus show.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And y'all had remained friends. I mean, I know you
and Gary were not close.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
No, we hadn't seen each other. But they came back
and they were bigger than they were when we were
originally when we originally started, much bigger, and which blew me.
It was like what how? And then they did this
show called The Circus and it's one of the best
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shows I've ever seen. You know, I removed myself from
anything to do with take that. Just oh my god,
this is effing incredible, you know, up there with you know,
my favorite shows, Blonde Ambition Tour, Prince Love, Sexy and
then I've loved The Happy Mondays and all of these
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kinds of shows. But I saw this one and it
was like that exists in my favorite shows. And that
was the moment where I was like.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I want to do this again.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Do I want a bit.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Of a.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
No no no. They came to LAM but they were
recording an album and we got together in a hotel
room and you know, the rest of the boys were
here and Gary Barlow was there, and it was just
like I couldn't There was so much awk, awkwardness and
things that were on said. And then we had a
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meeting at my house a few days later and I
got to say what I needed to say, and the
rock sack full of resentments dissipated and disappeared, and instantly,
literally seconds later, there's me and Gary Barlow rolling about
on the floor laughing at something.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
We've just laid kids again. Dude, It's a brotherhood.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Whatever the whatever the effort is with this crazy mixed
up family, to its truest sense, it is universal. It
pulls us back together. It's you know, the road is
like this, you know, it's sort of I do and
say things that upset and offend and you know, and
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they'll never be a true healing of the callouses that
happened between us, But there is an understanding and there
is a love and there is a like, you know.
I mean, I like and love all of those boys,
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no matter what I've said in the deep dark past,
and no matter what happens when documentaries come out, when
biopics come out, and you know, there has been an
addressing of the way I thought as a sixteen year old,
seventeen year old in this biopic which is upset and
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offended and which then leaves you in a place where
well that's how I saw things, then it's not how
it is now, and I need to I need to
speak and think how I spoken thought. Then Yeah, you know,
so there's always gonna be these things where I get offended,
they get offended. Overriding all of that is they are
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my brothers, and I fucking love them, fucking love them.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Let's do some fan questions for I let you go
all right? From Shiner fifty two two. Was there a
song you turned down that became a hit?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
No, there wasn't a song that I turned down that
it became a hit because I was so determined to
write my own songs. You know, I never looked for songs.
I never got on the convey about with the people
that the people get on the convey about with. There
is a way of collecting your songs as an artist,
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and I tried to act against that and just write
with my mates. Yeah, now I have I'm so open
to whatever if anybody wants to pitch me songs. Now
I'm all about it, but I won't actively seek a
song because I want it to come from me.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
What do you think about I mean people now Frankenstein
songs together. There's twenty people on one song.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, you got.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
The b verse, you got this? Oh, change this word here?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
To me, I think that's cheating totally. So what do
you think?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Look, however you get there, it's however you get there,
it's all changed, and it just you know, if the
song's a song and it's incredible and it's moving and
it's a.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Hit, A hit is a hit? Is it a hit?
Is a hit is a hit?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Who cares how you get there? I have no I
have no pretense anymore. I think I would have done
at some point going that's not right. But it you know,
it's like AI, It's happening. No matter what you think.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
About it, accept it, accept it.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And get on board and use it to your own
advantage if you can.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Do you prefer being in the studio and writing or
being on stage.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I prefer being in the studio and writing, but I
also do tons of art. I'm drawing and creating images
every day, and you know, I'm building hotels and basements,
digging basements, by myself using my hands, have to be
very quiet. There is that there's so much on the
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living in a Erica. You catch something that doesn't happen
in the UK because in the UK we like to
keep ourselves in boxes. But in America you see the
opportunity and what people are doing outside of music for themselves,
and I find that intoxicating. I also find that incredibly
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creative to think from where I'm from, that I could
think up a hotel, its interiors, it's exteriors, and feel
what the philosophy of the hotel is, the style of
the hotel, how you want to be greeted, how you
want to be treated, and what happens.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
To you there.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
That's like writing an album. But you know, so that's
where I'm at at the minute, is that I'm in
this art world in my head and I am creating
things for my family that will go on long after
I'm not on this earth.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
And speaking of what do you want your legacy to be?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Well, I'm not bothered about legacy because I'll be dead,
but I do like with the economic background that I
come from and where I find myself, I am blessed
with opportunity. I want my children and my children's children
to have that opportunity and then what they do with
it is up to them. But there are I'm fifteen
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next birthday, and there are things that I need to
sort out for my children's children that I haven't yet,
but I will.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I love that. I love that you're thinking about that.
Brass Monkey Ida it wants to know what's your favorite
song to perform live?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Angels? Of course, I wish I could give you another answer,
but you know, you know those songs because you're a
performer and you know you've been on stage and those songs.
Some songs take care of themselves and some songs you
have to sell. Yeah, and when you're selling a song,
it can take a lot from you. And then some
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songs just do the thing by itself. Bye bye bye,
There you go, there you go. Well, Angels is a
break for me on stage. I can switch off all
the engines and just let the malady and the words
and what it means to people take over. And it's
it's a beautiful space to be every single time I
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sing it.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, it's great. Speaking of Angels, Booze Mommy wants to
know what do you think of Jessica Simpson's cover of Angels.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I'll tell you a story about that, But off what
do I think about it? I think, Look, I'm honored,
genuinely honored that anybody chooses to cover any of my
songs and love her, and I love her version and
my story that I have got to tell you off
air is nothing to do how I have, nothing to
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do with how I feel about her or it. I'm intrue,
I'm blessed.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I love it. What's a karaoke song? Do you do karaoke?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I don't do karaoke. I haven't done karaoke, but I
don't know. But like instantly in my head, dancing with
myself came up. I don't know why I've never sung
that at karaoke, but.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
It's curious of the death of me. I can't stand
it right, It's not for me.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, it's not for me.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Last question here, Ivy Angels in Okay, will you be
back to continue your Vegas residency?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Maybe stranger things have happened. COVID put pay to the
Vegas residency because it was like a little a corn
that I was trying to build up, you know, because
I'm not Robbie Williams in North America. I know and
understand that, but there was a part of my life
where I cut off America as being something that I
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wanted or needed because I wanted a needed anonymity more
than I needed more money and record sales.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And I felt that too. I'm like, I feel like
Robbie specifically chose America not to go touring. It that
just because you wanted a little more privacy.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Dude, I've been offered millions I can imagine to do
stuff here that I've turned down pre kids, before kids. Now,
if I got offered the same, ah, I would do
it in a heartbeat. But there was like, you know,
I was going to die and I was going to
(29:32):
die with what I what I was experiencing, what I
was putting myself through, And what I got to do
was be Bruce Wayne in America and Batman in the rest.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Of the world. But exactly I described it.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right, Okay, thank you?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well with with Vegas, it was my little bit of
you know, egoic Americans I can do. You know, it's
always it's always exciting when like walk just coming into
iHeartMedia today, I definitely felt like I'm in America doing
an American thing with Americans, and you know, so there
(30:06):
is then there is a grown up that's driving the
car right now, there's a lunatic in the back that goes,
I should have broken the streets, but you could have
would have died.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You couldn't have gone, You couldn't go anywhere in the world.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
No, I mean, it was I'm me everywhere else apart
from China, you know, and it's worked for me. But
Vegas was all about planting a flag and just going
come watch this. I'm good at this now. But then
COVID came and washed away the progress, and I don't know,
(30:49):
stranger things have happened. I may go back. I have
no plans.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Nice the Netflix thing. You've got something coming on Netflix
to get the documentary?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Is it the Dark Series? It's a dark series. Yeah,
And I've got a biopic being made about me by
the guy that directed The Greatest Showman.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
How involved you get to be in this one?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Incredibly invol Okay, So they okay, because some people don't
get to even be a part of their own.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
No, no, no, I'm I'm I'm I'm incredibly involved.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Because we get the truth.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Then well, look, you can't get the truth because I'd
be sued by so many different people. But what you
are getting is the essence of it and how it
felt on what it was mixed with beautiful fantasy, and
I am. I'm super excited about what it is and
(31:44):
what it could mean for my career because we all
need the wind in our sails for different I'm still ambitious,
I still want, I still need, I'm still searching, and
I need things like the Netflix Stuck You and I
need my biopic. I need them to be successful because
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there's still so much that I I need to facilitate
for me and for my family.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, what's your main thing? What do you want?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
What's my main thing? What do I want?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
What do you want? Life?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, I have an incredible relationship with my wife, I
have incredible relationships with my kids. I have a wonderful
musical career. I want to see where I can take this.
You know, I want to be elon. That's what I
want to do, whatever that means, because I've done all
(32:39):
of this by thinking I can't. What would happen if
I think I can? You know? And also, you know,
when I started this, I didn't know to dream bigger.
I didn't know, and I'm only now in my middle
age going it's dream as big as we can and
(33:01):
see what we can do.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
You probably didn't think you were allowed to dream bigger
than that.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
No, no, no, you didn't. And it's a very much
British thing too. Like I was saying before about you
know you stay in your box. I'm smashing the box
to smithereens and I'm seeing what I can create because
it's fun. It is fun, you know, And at the
end of that, there may or may not be money.
That is not the ultimate goal. The goal always is
(33:28):
the journey, and the goal is the creation, whether that
is creating a video or an album cover or a
piece of art, or a hotel or drinks or whatever
you can imagine. I am going to be doing it.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, and you're doing it for yourself, your family and
no one else.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
That's great, Robbie. I'm so glad that you came on
Fross Tips. It was so great to catch up with you.
I've learned so much. You're an incredible artist and I
can't wait to see this next chapter because I know
you are going to become an Eli Lusk out there,
and I can't wait to see what you're doing, because
you're going to support you so much and lots of
(34:06):
fun things to do together.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
And exactly and the same thing. It's like, I don't
know you and we bumped into each other a few times,
but I've always had an affection for who I think
you are, and now I know you are the person
that I feel affection for.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Say, Robbie will love you so much. Please tell your
fans whatever you'd like to tell them right now, because man,
people have been dying for you to come on the shop.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, you know, there's that thing when you're on stage
and people say it and it becomes you know. You know,
I'm very, very grateful for what I have, and but
I've never been more acutely aware of how supported I've
been through my deepest, darkest moments on the planet there
(34:55):
where I've had no self worth whatsoever, where I I
think that I am dog's mess. You know, literally, there
has always been a little in this river of life
that can often be torrential and wants to sort of
wipe you away to infinity and obscurity and smash you
(35:17):
into a million pieces. I've always had this hand on
a route coming from the side of the bank, and
that route has always been the people that come and
see me and sing my songs and shower me with
love because they've they've you know, because of them, I've
(35:37):
gleaned self worth when I've had none. So when people
say I love my fans, it can feel.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Hollow.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I express it in that way, so I know people
know that I mean it. You know, I'm very grateful
that I've had their support.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
They're a beautiful life flying through all of our ups
and downs in our career for sure. And we love
you all all right, Robbie, thank you so much. Thank
you all right, guys, that is all the show I
have for you. Thank you so much for listening. Jay Dizzle,
nice to have you back, buddy, always nice to be here. Well,
anytime Michael is gone, you're gonna have to fight our
favorite Bob to get back out. I'll do it anytime, Okay.
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Our favorite Bob, which is one of our peanuts on
the show, is your biggest family. Huge, oh huge. He
was supposed to be here, but unfortunately how to go
to New York, so he is like killing himself. Oh well,
I oh, guys, all right, guys be going to each
other out there. Don't drink and drive, take care of
those animals, and remember stay frosted. Hey, thanks for listening.
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This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hello,
my Little Peanuts sits me your host Lance Bass. This
is Frosted Tips with Me and my co host Jay Dizzel.
What up, Jay Dizzel. It's part two of our Robbie
Williams interview. I've been waiting so long. Yeah, well, I
already know what happens and it is good. All right,
(00:25):
it is good. So let's get to the second part
of a Robbie Williams interview. Right now, let's get to
the breakup of Take That in ninety five, heartbreaking for
many in America. Y'all are just starting to break. I
mean it was I mean all about Take That and
then I think you're maybe are going to do a tour,
and then you broke up and didn't get to do
(00:45):
the tour. Obviously massive all over the world. From your
point of view, how did that all go down, those
last moments of Take That? And did you ever think
that you would ever be able to pick it up
many years later?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Well, I was in a spiritual emotional life spiral and
one of the first of many nervous breakdowns. You know,
you don't know you're going through that at the time
(01:21):
because you don't have capacity or the words to understand
what it is that's actually happening to you. And mixed
with that, I think the the the years of being
the runt of the litter and what was happening outside.
(01:42):
I had a contract out on me to kill me
where I was from, and I wasn't safe anywhere. Basically,
I wasn't safe at home and I.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Had someone want to kill you.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody the pub told me, oh.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
My, for what reason? Just because you're in a boy band?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, jez yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I mean it is crazy. I mean, we've had a
lot of death threats, you know, within sync, I mean,
and to the point where we don't even share a
lot of the stories because we don't want fans to
get upset. But there were some crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But his thing now, especially with social media, is that
you know, the woods I've been there's been a death
threat issued against me, are issued so freely that nobody
takes the serious. It's because like even I read it,
and I was getting death threats, and you know, but like, no,
(02:41):
you're getting death threats.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Exactly, and all it takes is one to really follow.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Through, you know, the threats on your.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Life, especially with social media like Twitter. I had to
get off Twitter because I don't know how many times
people were telling me they're going to murder me on Twitter, right,
and and then send pictures of my home, right, you know,
and you're like, Okay, that's that's a little much. Do
you ever get worried? I mean, it's I like getting older,
because I think a lot of that kind of dampers
(03:08):
down a little bit, especially with like the young fans.
But do you ever worry about your family?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah? Not not not anymore. And I have protection and
all of that business. But what I've noticed, especially entering
into middle age and which I'm now a member of,
the jealousy and the hatred. But I mean it's still
out there, but it's not the same thing, you know.
(03:38):
It's like I was physically unsafe whenever I left my
home in Stoke on Trent. We do two things really
well in Stoke kindness, we're the kindest people you will
ever meet. We also do violence incredibly well. And you
don't know who you're going to get, you know. So
I wasn't safe at home, and I wasn't safe in
(04:00):
the band. Management and interpersonal relationships within the band, so
there was escape for me, and where would I escape.
I would escape in drink and drugs. And that mixed
with a nervous mental breakdown and a rehearsing for a tour.
(04:28):
I told the boys that after this tour I wanted
to leave the band. And and one day we went
in for rehearsals and you know, very cinematic the night
before as me down in a bottle of Jack Daniels
and then crying on my knees, naked, looking up at
(04:50):
the ceiling.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You know that's the opening of your movie.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, in the movie. I don't think. I don't know
if that's in the movie, but it's very cinematic, isn't it?
Very dramatic? And next day I go in and then
rehearse badly because I'm hungover. And then the boys say
we need to speak to you, and they sit me
down and they say, look, we know that you want
(05:15):
to leave after this tour, but we were thinking we'd
like to do this tour as afore to see how
we get on. What do you think? And I was like,
it was just like my opportunity there in that moment
to unplug and you know, remove myself from a situation
(05:40):
that I thought was causing me great stress and great
pain for whatever reason that was.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, take us on their journey from knowing that you
weren't going to do that tour to your first solo song.
What did that look like? How did you get there?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Do you know? It's like a Guy Ritchie movie like
that that I'm not in the most trouble that I
could be in at this point out the frying pan
into the fire, and there are a lot of people
that are still alive, so you know, there would be protective,
protective of their own reputations. So the stuff that I
(06:20):
could get into is a film in itself. But the
footnotes are I take my record company to court to
get out of the contract for one reason or another.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Didn't you have to pay?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well? I leave take that with one point two. Yeah,
it cost me one point five to get out of
my record deal. So I sign with EMI and I
am three hundred grand in the red.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Biggest band in the world, biggest band in the world.
You don't have enough money coming out.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Of that, No, I have. I have minus three hundred thousands.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, that is nuts.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
That is so nuts. Yeah, well it all worked out
because your solo career just took off like no other.
Remember the first time and you'll never remember this, but
I did meet you in Spain. God, what year was that?
Probably ninety eight in an elevator. I had no idea
who we were at the times. We were just coming
out over there, but you were super nice in the elevator.
(07:24):
But yeah, it was good for me, y, yeah, good
for you good yeah, So yeah ninety six. Did you
know where was the solo career in the works towards
the end of take that? Or was that just a
surprise to you?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
To what? I had a incredible overwhelming feelings of lack
of self worth and no esteem, mixed with an unconsciable
belief that something out there for me is massive. And
(07:59):
I hadn't written a song at the time, but I
was like, I'm going to write songs and I'm going
to sing them, and my albums are going to sell
millions and I'm going to do huge shows.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And I mean, and you became an incredible songwriter. Do
you remember what was the first song you wrote?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Angels was like one of the first songs, Yeah, Angels.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yes, I feel like a loser now.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Dude, like you know, like you know that this, I
believe that something exists out there in the ethereal, like
something that we're unaware of. Because you know, I've written
probably seven hundred songs since then. I haven't done it again.
(08:45):
Not I've done really well. You know, I've written some
great things, but I haven't written anything that's that. And
it's not lost on me that the song Angels is
about angels or Angel Michael or Angel Gabriel, And I
don't know. There's just moments in people's life that are
(09:06):
sliding doors moments. And that was the biggest slideing door
moment that I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
When Angels came out. How quickly did that take off?
I mean I think that was I mean immediate hit. Right.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Well, I'd had four singles and I was just my
album would come out and the record company had signed
me for a lot of money and it sold thirty
three thousand copies. At the time, this was abysmal, and
a note went around the record company to drop Robbie Williams.
(09:59):
Really and then, you know, I don't know why or
how they gave me this chance with Angels and Bump,
you know, it just went stratospheric and went stratospheric straight away.
But it all could have been so different.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And you've experienced with experimented with a lot of different
genres too, and a lot of your albums, like you
said before, you know, we are kind of came from
different loves of music. What genre did you enjoy most recording?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well, I was just thinking this on the way. He is, like,
I love I love music, and I love culture and
I love cultures and I want to be everything. I
want to be straight, I want to be gay. I
want to be a teddy boy. I want to be
a rocker. I want to be a punk. I want
(10:54):
to be a rapper. I want to be a West
End Wendy. You know, I want to be in.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Theater original fluid.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Well, yeah I am. I am fluid when it comes
to music and what and I want to be I
want to be everything. There's nothing that I don't want
to be. Maybe thrash metal, but you know, thrash metal
has its place for people and they have their love
for it, and I get that you love it. It's
not for me to but absolutely everything else. It's like
(11:24):
I want to inhabit it and be it, you know,
like an like an actor. You know, if you get
lucky and you're on a soap and you remain on
a soap and you get a solid job, that's great.
But as an actor, I'd want to be you know,
John McClain, But I'd also want to be Tom hankson
Philadelphia or you know, or I want to try on
(11:47):
I want to try on everything. It's like, if we're
allowed to identify I am a straight camp guy, that's
that's my my thing is like I'm I'm camp and
I love being camp, and that's how I identify. I don't know,
when you walk down this this road, when you talk
(12:09):
about this stuff, this stuff, you can only get in trouble.
That's true, there's no there's no.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Get offended by anything you said.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
But there's no there's no sort of like debate, and
there's no gray areas, and there's no love, and there's
no opportunity to understand people's sensibilities and how it holds
space for people to exist in the place that they
want to exist in if it doesn't hurt anybody else exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Freedom expression is amazing as long as you literally don't
hurt anyone whoever you want.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
To be Yeah, be whoever you want to be, doing
whatever you you love that whatever makes you feel good,
and yeah, I'm I'm ay. Yeah, that's that's that's where
I am. I would have loved to have. Yeah, I
would have loved Like I say, I want to be
a punk rocker, want to be a teddy boy, want
(13:04):
to be a rapper. I want to be gay, want
to be straight, want to be by I want to
be whatever. I want to experience it all.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I love your wife so much, unless she have I'm
known for a long time. We became poker buddies back
in the day.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, she's very fond of you.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, it's when when poker was like the thing, remember
early two thousands and everyone was playing poker, so we'd
have poker night at my house. A lot loved her
and that's when she's met you at that time, and
she fell madly in love and I never saw her.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
That was the last she saw of you.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, she got into the Robbi Williams world.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
She got into the Robbie Williams world and then moved
to the UK. But she's she's so, she speaks lovely,
so affectionately about you. She's very, very fond of you
and we should get back.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
We are for sure. How did y'all meet? I don't
even know the story of how y'all blind date?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Really yeah, a friend of ours, mutual friend of ours,
and chaos and chewed and it wasn't you know, it
wasn't playing sailing. But seventeen years later, I have, I have.
I was just about to say I have felt no
great love, but I have because I've got four kids,
(14:14):
So that's that's just.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
But how did she? I mean, every girl wants to
tame Robert Williams, How does she get you?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Sliding doors moment? You know, another one of those sliding
doors moments where my solo career was now giving me
a nervous breakdown, and I decided that I was going
to retire because I love to make sweeping statements, and
I retired in my head and I met Ida at
the same time. And you know, she if I if
(14:46):
I I didn't know what I wanted or what I
needed or who it was, I couldn't have described them.
But now looking at my wife, it's so obvious what
I needed and what I wanted.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The universe gives you exactly what you need when you
need it. Yeah, is that when you moved to America?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
No, no, no, no. I moved to America first year
of sobriety, when I was twenty three, And you know,
I met Ida that was funny and dynamic and interesting
and interested. And when I say funny, hysterical and loving
(15:24):
and empathic. And you know, there's never been a second
where I've been bored with my wife, bared of her,
or bored with her. And yeah, she just yeah, I
mean I could, I could tear up thinking about her
(15:45):
because I'm just so in love.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well you can see it for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And your kids are they getting an entertainment? Oh my god, yeah,
you're like, no.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
No, no, it would be so weird if they wanted
to be an accountant or lawyer, I'd be so upset. Well,
everybody wants to be a lawyer. You know, you should
really think about joining a boy band and you want
to be a lawyer. But watch your plan. B is
(16:17):
it content creator?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
That's what I said. We start a boy band with
all ex boy band members. We got oh my god,
Johnny Wahlberg's kid, You got your kid. Mine's gonna be
too young, but we'll get some how. Eighteen months My
kids are, so they've got a way to go.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Is that so your kids are brand new?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Oh yeah, just babies.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
For some reason, I thought you had a kid a
while ago. How was your kid?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I've got a dog that's five years old.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Oh really? Okay, Well you know there's never been a
boy band or a girl band with a dog in it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
There you go, there you go, true, you write it down.
You got lots to do.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Do you think? Okay, you're nineteen months old?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Kids? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
On now eighteen? Would you do you think? Literally if
a boy band, what what would they go?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Boy? Or boy and a girl?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Boy and a girl? Okay, what would you think about
them joining a boy band at eighteen?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I mean I wouldn't mind. I would support whatever they
want because now, knowing what I know now, I could
protect them a lot more. Me too, Yeah, so I'd
be fine with it.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, me too, fine with it.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I would not. I would rather than be the drummer,
just because I think, you know, being a public figure,
it just comes with so much pressure, especially right now,
and a lot of more danger.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I think I think you should be I think you
should have a license to manage. I think you should
you should have to have a license to manage young people,
anybody underneath, anybody under the age of twenty one. You
should have a license, and your license should be So.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's true, it's like the wild wild West with these
young entertainers. And now because I'm actually working on a
documentary now where we're looking at that, you know, underage
kids that are especially TikTok stars and all this, that
are getting so taken advantage of and abused. And it's
just a hellish world out there that these kids are
not being protected at all and there's no rules and
regulations for because they're social media stars, so they're not
(18:17):
you know, they're not real people. Yeah, it's it's it's
sad what a lot of these kids are going through.
And it never changes. It's like you hear these horror
stories for the last five decades, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
And it's before. I'm sure underneath every rock in the
entertainment industry is a predator of some sort ready to
take advantage of you.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, especially when it comes to kids. Yeah, sadly, how
did it who approached you to bring back take that?
And what year was that?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
That was? What two thousand and.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, Yeah, how did that go down? Was it Gary,
that was like, yeah, it's time.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
The boys were recording album in Los Angeles. They've just
done this tour called The Circus, and I saw the
Circus show.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And y'all had remained friends. I mean, I know you
and Gary were not close.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
No, we hadn't seen each other. But they came back
and they were bigger than they were when we were
originally when we originally started, much bigger, and which blew me.
It was like what how? And then they did this
show called The Circus and it's one of the best
(19:32):
shows I've ever seen. You know, I removed myself from
anything to do with take that. Just oh my god,
this is effing incredible, you know, up there with you know,
my favorite shows, Blonde Ambition Tour, Prince Love, Sexy and
then I've loved The Happy Mondays and all of these
(19:54):
kinds of shows. But I saw this one and it
was like that exists in my favorite shows. And that
was the moment where I was like.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I want to do this again.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Do I want a bit.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Of a.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
No no no. They came to LAM but they were
recording an album and we got together in a hotel
room and you know, the rest of the boys were
here and Gary Barlow was there, and it was just
like I couldn't There was so much awk, awkwardness and
things that were on said. And then we had a
(20:29):
meeting at my house a few days later and I
got to say what I needed to say, and the
rock sack full of resentments dissipated and disappeared, and instantly,
literally seconds later, there's me and Gary Barlow rolling about
on the floor laughing at something.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
We've just laid kids again. Dude, It's a brotherhood.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Whatever the whatever the effort is with this crazy mixed
up family, to its truest sense, it is universal. It
pulls us back together. It's you know, the road is
like this, you know, it's sort of I do and
say things that upset and offend and you know, and
(21:18):
they'll never be a true healing of the callouses that
happened between us, But there is an understanding and there
is a love and there is a like, you know.
I mean, I like and love all of those boys,
(21:40):
no matter what I've said in the deep dark past,
and no matter what happens when documentaries come out, when
biopics come out, and you know, there has been an
addressing of the way I thought as a sixteen year old,
seventeen year old in this biopic which is upset and
(22:01):
offended and which then leaves you in a place where
well that's how I saw things, then it's not how
it is now, and I need to I need to
speak and think how I spoken thought. Then Yeah, you know,
so there's always gonna be these things where I get offended,
they get offended. Overriding all of that is they are
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my brothers, and I fucking love them, fucking love them.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Let's do some fan questions for I let you go
all right? From Shiner fifty two two. Was there a
song you turned down that became a hit?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
No, there wasn't a song that I turned down that
it became a hit because I was so determined to
write my own songs. You know, I never looked for songs.
I never got on the convey about with the people
that the people get on the convey about with. There
is a way of collecting your songs as an artist,
(23:19):
and I tried to act against that and just write
with my mates. Yeah, now I have I'm so open
to whatever if anybody wants to pitch me songs. Now
I'm all about it, but I won't actively seek a
song because I want it to come from me.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
What do you think about I mean people now Frankenstein
songs together. There's twenty people on one song.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, you got.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
The b verse, you got this? Oh, change this word here?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
To me, I think that's cheating totally. So what do
you think?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Look, however you get there, it's however you get there,
it's all changed, and it just you know, if the
song's a song and it's incredible and it's moving and
it's a.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Hit, A hit is a hit? Is it a hit?
Is a hit is a hit?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Who cares how you get there? I have no I
have no pretense anymore. I think I would have done
at some point going that's not right. But it you know,
it's like AI, It's happening. No matter what you think.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
About it, accept it, accept it.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And get on board and use it to your own
advantage if you can.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Do you prefer being in the studio and writing or
being on stage.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I prefer being in the studio and writing, but I
also do tons of art. I'm drawing and creating images
every day, and you know, I'm building hotels and basements,
digging basements, by myself using my hands, have to be
very quiet. There is that there's so much on the
(24:59):
living in a Erica. You catch something that doesn't happen
in the UK because in the UK we like to
keep ourselves in boxes. But in America you see the
opportunity and what people are doing outside of music for themselves,
and I find that intoxicating. I also find that incredibly
(25:21):
creative to think from where I'm from, that I could
think up a hotel, its interiors, it's exteriors, and feel
what the philosophy of the hotel is, the style of
the hotel, how you want to be greeted, how you
want to be treated, and what happens.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
To you there.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
That's like writing an album. But you know, so that's
where I'm at at the minute, is that I'm in
this art world in my head and I am creating
things for my family that will go on long after
I'm not on this earth.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
And speaking of what do you want your legacy to be?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Well, I'm not bothered about legacy because I'll be dead,
but I do like with the economic background that I
come from and where I find myself, I am blessed
with opportunity. I want my children and my children's children
to have that opportunity and then what they do with
it is up to them. But there are I'm fifteen
(26:26):
next birthday, and there are things that I need to
sort out for my children's children that I haven't yet,
but I will.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I love that. I love that you're thinking about that.
Brass Monkey Ida it wants to know what's your favorite
song to perform live?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Angels? Of course, I wish I could give you another answer,
but you know, you know those songs because you're a
performer and you know you've been on stage and those songs.
Some songs take care of themselves and some songs you
have to sell. Yeah, and when you're selling a song,
it can take a lot from you. And then some
(27:04):
songs just do the thing by itself. Bye bye bye,
There you go, there you go. Well, Angels is a
break for me on stage. I can switch off all
the engines and just let the malady and the words
and what it means to people take over. And it's
it's a beautiful space to be every single time I
(27:26):
sing it.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, it's great. Speaking of Angels, Booze Mommy wants to
know what do you think of Jessica Simpson's cover of Angels.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I'll tell you a story about that, But off what
do I think about it? I think, Look, I'm honored,
genuinely honored that anybody chooses to cover any of my
songs and love her, and I love her version and
my story that I have got to tell you off
air is nothing to do how I have, nothing to
(27:56):
do with how I feel about her or it. I'm intrue,
I'm blessed.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I love it. What's a karaoke song? Do you do karaoke?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I don't do karaoke. I haven't done karaoke, but I
don't know. But like instantly in my head, dancing with
myself came up. I don't know why I've never sung
that at karaoke, but.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
It's curious of the death of me. I can't stand
it right, It's not for me.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, it's not for me.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Last question here, Ivy Angels in Okay, will you be
back to continue your Vegas residency?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Maybe stranger things have happened. COVID put pay to the
Vegas residency because it was like a little a corn
that I was trying to build up, you know, because
I'm not Robbie Williams in North America. I know and
understand that, but there was a part of my life
where I cut off America as being something that I
(28:55):
wanted or needed because I wanted a needed anonymity more
than I needed more money and record sales.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And I felt that too. I'm like, I feel like
Robbie specifically chose America not to go touring. It that
just because you wanted a little more privacy.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Dude, I've been offered millions I can imagine to do
stuff here that I've turned down pre kids, before kids. Now,
if I got offered the same, ah, I would do
it in a heartbeat. But there was like, you know,
I was going to die and I was going to
(29:32):
die with what I what I was experiencing, what I
was putting myself through, And what I got to do
was be Bruce Wayne in America and Batman in the rest.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Of the world. But exactly I described it.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right, Okay, thank you?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Well with with Vegas, it was my little bit of
you know, egoic Americans I can do. You know, it's
always it's always exciting when like walk just coming into
iHeartMedia today, I definitely felt like I'm in America doing
an American thing with Americans, and you know, so there
(30:06):
is then there is a grown up that's driving the
car right now, there's a lunatic in the back that goes,
I should have broken the streets, but you could have
would have died.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You couldn't have gone, You couldn't go anywhere in the world.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
No, I mean, it was I'm me everywhere else apart
from China, you know, and it's worked for me. But
Vegas was all about planting a flag and just going
come watch this. I'm good at this now. But then
COVID came and washed away the progress, and I don't know,
(30:49):
stranger things have happened. I may go back. I have
no plans.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Nice the Netflix thing. You've got something coming on Netflix
to get the documentary?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Is it the Dark Series? It's a dark series. Yeah,
And I've got a biopic being made about me by
the guy that directed The Greatest Showman.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
How involved you get to be in this one?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Incredibly invol Okay, So they okay, because some people don't
get to even be a part of their own.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
No, no, no, I'm I'm I'm I'm incredibly involved.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Because we get the truth.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Then well, look, you can't get the truth because I'd
be sued by so many different people. But what you
are getting is the essence of it and how it
felt on what it was mixed with beautiful fantasy, and
I am. I'm super excited about what it is and
(31:44):
what it could mean for my career because we all
need the wind in our sails for different I'm still ambitious,
I still want, I still need, I'm still searching, and
I need things like the Netflix Stuck You and I
need my biopic. I need them to be successful because
(32:04):
there's still so much that I I need to facilitate
for me and for my family.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, what's your main thing? What do you want?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
What's my main thing? What do I want?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
What do you want? Life?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, I have an incredible relationship with my wife, I
have incredible relationships with my kids. I have a wonderful
musical career. I want to see where I can take this.
You know, I want to be elon. That's what I
want to do, whatever that means, because I've done all
(32:39):
of this by thinking I can't. What would happen if
I think I can? You know? And also, you know,
when I started this, I didn't know to dream bigger.
I didn't know, and I'm only now in my middle
age going it's dream as big as we can and
(33:01):
see what we can do.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
You probably didn't think you were allowed to dream bigger
than that.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
No, no, no, you didn't. And it's a very much
British thing too. Like I was saying before about you
know you stay in your box. I'm smashing the box
to smithereens and I'm seeing what I can create because
it's fun. It is fun, you know, And at the
end of that, there may or may not be money.
That is not the ultimate goal. The goal always is
(33:28):
the journey, and the goal is the creation, whether that
is creating a video or an album cover or a
piece of art, or a hotel or drinks or whatever
you can imagine. I am going to be doing it.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, and you're doing it for yourself, your family and
no one else.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
That's great, Robbie. I'm so glad that you came on
Fross Tips. It was so great to catch up with you.
I've learned so much. You're an incredible artist and I
can't wait to see this next chapter because I know
you are going to become an Eli Lusk out there,
and I can't wait to see what you're doing, because
you're going to support you so much and lots of
(34:06):
fun things to do together.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
And exactly and the same thing. It's like, I don't
know you and we bumped into each other a few times,
but I've always had an affection for who I think
you are, and now I know you are the person
that I feel affection for.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Say, Robbie will love you so much. Please tell your
fans whatever you'd like to tell them right now, because man,
people have been dying for you to come on the shop.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, you know, there's that thing when you're on stage
and people say it and it becomes you know. You know,
I'm very, very grateful for what I have, and but
I've never been more acutely aware of how supported I've
been through my deepest, darkest moments on the planet there
(34:55):
where I've had no self worth whatsoever, where I I
think that I am dog's mess. You know, literally, there
has always been a little in this river of life
that can often be torrential and wants to sort of
wipe you away to infinity and obscurity and smash you
(35:17):
into a million pieces. I've always had this hand on
a route coming from the side of the bank, and
that route has always been the people that come and
see me and sing my songs and shower me with
love because they've they've you know, because of them, I've
(35:37):
gleaned self worth when I've had none. So when people
say I love my fans, it can feel.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Hollow.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I express it in that way, so I know people
know that I mean it. You know, I'm very grateful
that I've had their support.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
They're a beautiful life flying through all of our ups
and downs in our career for sure. And we love
you all all right, Robbie, thank you so much. Thank
you all right, guys, that is all the show I
have for you. Thank you so much for listening. Jay Dizzle,
nice to have you back, buddy, always nice to be here. Well,
anytime Michael is gone, you're gonna have to fight our
favorite Bob to get back out. I'll do it anytime, Okay.
(36:21):
Our favorite Bob, which is one of our peanuts on
the show, is your biggest family. Huge, oh huge. He
was supposed to be here, but unfortunately how to go
to New York, so he is like killing himself. Oh well,
I oh, guys, all right, guys be going to each
other out there. Don't drink and drive, take care of
those animals, and remember stay frosted. Hey, thanks for listening.
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