Andraya Carter Owning the Game On and Off the Court

On today’s episode of Full Circle, Lexie and Mariah are joined by ESPN basketball analyst Andraya Carter! The three dive into Lexie and Andraya’s childhood friendship and Andraya’s basketball career. They also discuss Andraya’s career ending injuries at Tennessee and her transition to sports broadcasting. Later, they get into Andraya’s success with the Big Three as well as general WNBA conversation.

 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey, y'all, welcome back to Full Circle. I'm Lexi Brown.
I'm here with Mariah Rose and we have a very
special guest today. We are wrapping up season one and
we promise you'll some guests. We have a very very
special one. As always, most of our guests do not
need an introduction, but we will give her one anyway.
We have Atlanta, Georgia's finest, a top twenty five player

(00:35):
twenty twelve class played at the University of Tennessee under
the Great Pat Summit, and she now graces our screens
almost every day on ESPN. One third of the Big
Three and my good sis Andrea Carter Yay, thank you,
thank you, thank you great and the other half thank

(00:56):
you you forgot to say the other half guys. Oh yeah,
I do call her other half guys. I don't think
everyone realizes how close we are. I didn't even realize
that I've known Jerry since we've been like thirteen years old. Ye, Like, yes,
our friendship is approaching twenty years. Wow, that's crazy. Our

(01:17):
friendship is almost as old as you. Mariah whuld you
put it that way?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
That sounds crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, it is a little crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
It is a little crazy. So I was texting Drea
yesterday and she was like, what are we talking about?
Like any college hoops that I said, No, girl, this
is all about you. So let's start from the beginning
and what made you pick up that beautiful basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah. I was one hundred percent ready to talk, like,
you know, top teams, who I'm looking for, who I
want to see bounce back. We'll get to that later.
All about you. That's okay. No, I appreciate I appreciate
that I picked up a basketball. I think I first
started playing when I was four years old. My stepdad,
who was the man who raised me, so I called

(02:04):
my dad. He was my coach. He coached me from
a very young age, put me in a ton of
rec leagues, and yeah, my mom and my dad just
saw passion in it and saw how much I loved it.
I was not very good, but I was like lanky athletic,
just was running around all the time. But I loved
it like I was the kid that my dad actually

(02:25):
used like I'm guessing it was Excel back then. I
don't know if it was Excel, but would put like
basketball drills on, you know, the left side, and then
would put dates at the top and I would have
to write it like how many drills I did each day?
How many right hand dribbles, left hand dribbles, circles? And
I loved doing that. So I just think from a
very young age, I loved it. I wanted to be

(02:47):
good at it, and my parents did a really good
job at just fostering that belief and that passion and
pouring into it and then making sure I was with
good coaches and in good places along the way.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Perfect way talking about good coaches, Drea, you won three.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
State championships in high school.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, And if y'all are not hip to Atlanta Women's basketball,
Buford High School was like a basketball powerhouse machine, like.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I went remember. Do you remember when I almost went
to school there? Yes? I do remember.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Wait, Okay, so tell us a little about Beviefford, Tell
them about Breakfast Club, tell them all of the things.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, Beuford, it's now I now call it. I now
call it Beuford University. But I do just want to
let everyone know that I did not go to the
current Buford High School that is in place. The Buford
High School that I went to is now Beuford Middle School.
Like when I went to Buford, we were two a
we did try to schedule all of the big schools

(03:49):
at least for like summer scrimmages because we were a
small school. But we were led by Jean Durden who
started it Dade County. Came to Buford and had some
success but hadn't won a state championship yet, and my
parents heard about him. They wanted to get me in
Beauford I was actually went to. I would have went
to Grayson High School had we not moved, and I

(04:13):
ended up going to Buford. But what happened was Grayson
split off into Archer and it was like a big divide,
and so we ended up moving so I could get
to Beauford. But coach Dirden is he's like a legend
in Georgia in basketball. He has a ton of connections
to college coaches. He is very fundamental, play hard, buy
the book, do everything the right way. You don't walk,

(04:34):
you sprint like in our games, we all were knee
pads because we were expected to dive on the floor.
We actually weren't even allowed to. You know, how something happens,
you can throw the basketball back to the ref. We
weren't allowed to do that. You guys got a run
up and give it to them. Yes, we had to
run and hand the ball to the ref. Every dead ball,
like anything that happened, like if the ball went way

(04:56):
out of bounds, I would have to go get it
and take it to the rest three and hand it
to them because it was like a sign of respect.
That's just through coach Jordan's He still does that to
this day. But he's he was tough, and he was
tough on me, and he was hard on me. I
had some emotional days as a kid. I was a
very emotional kid. But I remember, you know, there was
a summer scrimmage where he caught a time out and

(05:18):
told everyone to come to the sidelines and just met
me at half court and just tore me apart, like
in front of everyone. And but that's just who he was,
Like he knew what I was capable of and what
he expected of me. And there were some practices where
he wouldn't answer any of my questions, Like I was
trying to become a better leader, and I would just
look at him like what am I supposed to do?
And he would just ignore me on purpose. But it

(05:40):
made me, It made me better and it worked. But
it was we just played hard, like we outplayed everyone
at other times.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I remember, because I was supposed to go to
school there, and for many of those reasons you just listed,
I was not.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I was not the place for LEXI.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
I was like, I'm gonna go to a regular public
school with the coach that also coaches golf and just
chills all day, which I love shout out to coach Sellers,
but like if you compare my high school coach to coach.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Durden, Buford was like that in everything.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
I remember having a long day of all algebra two
and I had to go play volleyball against Buford and
I was like, bro like, come on, Broke, can we
play Thursday?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Right though?

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Buford was nuts. So when you were playing high school basketball,
you know we have AAU as well. Talk a little
bit about like your AAU team Georgia Elite. Yeah, yeah,
another team that I mean, I guys, I had to
play against Drea all the damn time, and it was
she was a freaking nightmare defensively. I mean she just

(06:46):
was one of the best defenders I've ever played against.
But talk about like your AAU stuff and how that
was so much different from being at Buford. Yeah, you know,
it's crazy, Like my AU coach was very similar to
coach Durden, coach Tim Ellis.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
He cussed a lot more than coach Jrden, but like
was just as hard on us and he would he
would be the first to tell you that.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
But he.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Great guy, great leader, and that team. You know, it's crazy,
like we weren't there were like Nike teams, Adidas teams,
there were all these like teams that were signed to
a brand, and we weren't. Like we were just we
were just Georgia Elite. And we had a bunch of
players that ended up going like Erica went to Georgia,
I ended up going to Tennessee. We had Lauren who
went to Florida State. We had some other teammates that

(07:29):
went to smaller schools. But like kind of similar to Buford,
we just had a system, Like we had a we
had a system on offense, we had a system on defense.
We had so many plays, we executed, we played hard,
we rotated in and out, and we were just a
very connected team. Like I think at that time, people
were flying in and out to get to their AAU teams.

(07:50):
This is before there were any rules, so you had
like people in California playing for the Tennessee Flight. But
our team, like we were almost like a high school
team because we and we hung out together and we
spent a lot of time together, and so I think
that affected when we would go to the gyms. But
I don't think people understand. Maybe they're this lit now.
I don't know. I haven't been to an AAU tournament
in a while, but our AAU tournaments, Lexi, you know this.

(08:13):
We're so lit. We're popping. They are two wall packed.
People were standing along the baseline like you you dragged
the ball out of the baseline, and you have people watching,
like right next to you or like college coaches just
sitting there. Especially our games against Lexi's team, So it
was it was a lot of fun that she later joined.

(08:34):
I did later join that team because here's what so
what happened was I had a great experience too because
most of my teammates for the Georgia Elite were two
years older than me, So it was sad once they
graduated because then I didn't have anywhere to go, so
I just joined Nice. She was an AU free agent.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Stary, so like that that, I mean, you talk about
that relationship you built with AU. Do you think that
like affected your decision to go to Tennessee or wherever
you were deciding to go to college, because you know,
now everybody's like kind of doing their own thing, like
I'm going to go here because it's good for me,
and I feel like a lot of younger players are
not picking the right colleges because they're not like looking

(09:14):
like big picture, like is this a good environment for me?
Like my teammates are just like how am I going
to do? So like talk about like your decision to
go to Tennessee and like what that process was.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Like Yeah, I think you know, it was actually hard.
My decision was because I was very close with a
lot of my AAU teammates, but my best friend was Erica,
who ended up committing to Georgia, and so I was
very pulled. My three schools were Connecticut, they were Georgia,
and they were Tennessee and then my best friend goes
to Georgia. Obviously Connecticut is having incredible amounts of success

(09:45):
because this was like that era for Yukon. Yeah, Yukon
was having a ton of success. Erica went to Georgia.
But Tennessee was where I always wanted to go, Like
that was just it was my dream school. I read
all of Pat Summit's books. I loved her, I loved
Tamika Catching's mi nana who passed while I was in school, actually,

(10:05):
but we used to watch Kandas Parker play. Like Tennessee
was where I wanted to go. And when I went
on my first visit my freshman year in high school,
it just felt different and I knew I didn't want
to go anywhere else. As soon as Pat offered me,
I committed like six months later because my dad said
I needed to win a state championship before I committed
to college. So I did that. He was like, if

(10:26):
you win, stays, and yeah, if you win again that
you commit. So but no, I do think, I hope
and I know obviously nil is such a big factor
now and obviously getting paid is huge for your future.
It can put you in positions that you couldn't possibly
be in so of course that is a factor. But
I do hope that players today go to a place

(10:49):
where they feel cared for and where they connect to
the campus and the team and the staff, because there
are situations like mine in particular, where the on the
court doesn't go the way you want it to go,
and I hope there are other factors there that contribute
to their happiness, otherwise they're going to be miserable. Obviously,
the checks are an entirely different factor in themselves, but

(11:11):
that is not like if basketball is not going well,
but money's still going to my bank account. Okay, great,
but maybe did not be right now, right right right.
But I do think as far as like connections go,
where you go to school is important for if basketball
doesn't work out, you want to have those connections, and
my connections at Tennessee have gotten me so many places
once basketball didn't work out for me.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
I was going to ask if you could imagine what
making that decision would look like in today's world where
you have this dream school but that might not be
the school writing the check. I can only imagine how
different that would be.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's so crazy, And some schools literally just
have more money to give, and so you have these
athletes that are like, my family's connected to this school,
it's close to my home or whatever, but you have
this other school who's going to put my family in
a financial position that we never dreamed of, and you're
torn a little bit between that. I can't imagine. The
recruiting process was already too much for me. That's why

(12:09):
I committed very early. So same, all of this being
factored in, I think would be incredibly overwhelming for me.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
So you talked about like your on court stuff not
going well, Talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Also.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I want to preface this by I watched Drea her
knee when we were in high school during a pickup
game and she, guys, she got up and kept playing.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Her knee was torn.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
She's like, I'm good, guys, and kept playing like that's
just this is this is a tough girl right here.
But I know, like you know, dealing with that throughout
college was tough. So like, talk a little bit like
what that was like. And when you made the decision
to medically retire, and you know how you just had
to make a very extreme pivot, like in the midst

(13:07):
of your.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Dreams yeah, that was that was crazy. I didn't know
my aco was torn. I actually, like I remember tearing it.
I remember exactly where we were and the game and
playing and I remember like being like going down and
being like, oh, like that didn't feel good. I don't
know what that was, but like just playing through it.
I have a very high pain intolerance. But then that

(13:30):
night and the next morning, like at Buford, we had
to wear kakis to school, and I remember my knee
being too swollen to like put my khakis on. And
that was when so I ended up going into school
and they were like, yeah, this is not this is
not good, Like you need to see a doctor. And
I remember going to the doctor and not thinking that
my aco. I wasn't even thinking about my aco being torn.

(13:52):
And then they came and told me and they were like,
it is partially torn. You cannot play basketball on it.
You will completely tear it. We're going to have to
have surgery. And that was the summer I was training
for Team USA. It was the summer before my senior
year of high school. And at that point that was
just a lot of change in general. One was not
playing obviously, I didn't play that summer I missed most

(14:14):
of my senior year. But that fall was also when
pat Summit made her announcement that what she was dealing
with and the Alzheimer's and all of that, and so
then that was another change, and I still helped, you know,
kept with my commitment to the University of Tennessee. I
knew I didn't want to go anywhere else, and so

(14:34):
that was a change. And long story, I'll try to
make a long story short. So I tore my ACL.
I missed most of my senior year. I came back
for the end of my senior year and I played
and to end the year region tournament, tried to win
a state championship. We didn't. But in the state tournament,

(14:54):
I ended up like trying to tip a ball and
going into the bleachers and I dislocated my shoulder. Ended
up playing through that. So fast forward, we lose state.
I get to Tennessee. My knee is fine, like my
knee feels great, no issues with my left knee, but
my shoulder keeps dislocating. So I ended up having a
torn labor in my shoulder. So then I end up

(15:15):
I start as a freshman. I'm starting I think I
played seven games, went up. In one game, got hit,
fell on it, it dislocated. In the UNC game, I
was just reaching to tip a ball and my shoulder dislocated.
And at that point they were like, they were like,
your shoulder's not staying in place. We're gonna shut you down,
We're gonna red shirt you, You're gonna have surgery. So

(15:36):
I missed most of my senior year of high school
with a knee, came back and played, then I missed
most of my freshman year of college with a shoulder,
and then my sophomore year, I'm playing well, like shoulders fixed,
knees fixed, I'm still like needing confidence offensively, but that
wasn't my role on that team. So like defense, energy,

(15:57):
chasing Lexi around everywhere on the court, that was my role.
And basically in practice, I go down on my knee,
my left knee, same one as my aco, but it
ended up being my meniscus, and they were like, your
meniscus is slightly torn, but you can play on it,
like if you want to play, you can play on it.
And I was like I'm playing and through playing on

(16:18):
that that is what ended up being the injury that
I never recovered. From because I ended up tearing it
so much that I was bone on bone for that year.
Tried to do a scope surgery, tried to wear a brace,
played another year, wasn't as effective. I wasn't practicing as
much and ended up having a fifth year to play.

(16:40):
But that summer the doctors were like, you can play,
but you probably will only practice once a week. You
really shouldn't run on this. If you continue playing basketball,
you're gonna be on crutches in your thirties. What we
would do for your knee is a knee replacement, but
you're too young for that. We don't want to get
you and need replacement in your early twenties. Nobody would

(17:02):
do that. They were like, you can play if you want,
but you're not going to have a very lengthy career.
It was just one of those decisions where I already
felt like I wasn't the player that I wanted to
be anymore, and to keep pushing it and keep trying,
and I was in so much pain, like walking, sitting, standing.
I was taking tour it all, which was a blood thinner,

(17:23):
so I was bruising all the time. I didn't I
just felt awful. I loved my teammates. I loved the game,
I missed it, but it was coming with so much pain,
and so I made the decision, obviously, with my loved
ones and the doctors and my coaches and teammates, to
medically retire. And that was how it ended.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
What's that crazy thing that they were like, But the
dogs were like, you're nineteen years old, twenty years old,
and they're like, well, you could play if you want, Like,
of course the kid is going to be like, yes,
I'm playing. Like I just feel like trainers, training staffs
and doctors, especially for athletes, they're just so like irresponsible

(18:01):
to me sometimes and I've seen it happen so much,
so I remember, I remember when all that was going on,
and I was like, because knowing I know any of
our listeners, we have a lot of new fans that
are listeners, they have no idea what type of player
you were, So even seeing you deal with that, with
the type of player that you were, everybody was just like,
like it sucks, and like you hate seeing someone you

(18:21):
care about deal with that.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Right, That's what I was curious about because knowing we
see this a lot, all of us working in media
now in some form of capacity with fans getting frustrated
when a player has so much talent but just can't
quote quote unquote seem to stay healthy. But I always
wonder from a player perspective, what's that like? Because it's
not like you want to be dealing with all of
these issues, but mentally you want to get out there.

(18:45):
You want to be the player that you know that
you can be, but you just physically can't. Like what
is that like emotionally as a player?

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, I think it's hard, and I also think it's
something that can end up spirally really quickly, because, like
everything in your body ends up being connected. Right, So,
if you sprain your ankle, but you want to be
out there on the floor and you're pushing through on
this ankle, it ends up putting pressure on your knee,
or puts pressure on your hip, or it ends up
putting pressure on your other ankle, And like so many things,

(19:14):
you try to push through one injury and you end
up overcompensating in some way and putting more pressure on
another part of your body. But it's because you want
to be out there on the floor, or do you
miss time being out there on the floor and try
to get healthy and then sometimes things are just freak accidents,
like you step on someone's foot and you roll your
ankle or you like, there are just so many things

(19:36):
that happen in sport. But I do think there are
times where trying to push through one injury ends up
leading to another. And so I do hope that players
today and this is why I know a lot of
players get outside opinions when something happens to them, just
to make sure they're they're completely covered on all their
basis on what they should do. But there is there's

(19:58):
a lot of pressure to perform and pushed through not
just physical injuries, but a lot of these players now
they push through mental things that they're dealing with because
mental health is so real and there are so many
issues in that aspect. So there's a lot of pressure
to be out there on the floor, and I don't
I do think that gets overlooked.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
A lot people definitely romanticized the pushing through every back
in the day, Michael Jordan played an All Lady too.
You know, everybody romanticizes pushing through an injury, and it's like, okay, no,
you know.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
I used to be one of those people. A lot
I got sick.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah no, no, I ain't no pushing through nothing like
you're always going to be like you said, over compensating.
I feel like the mental piece is so important. And
I feel like out of all a lot of women's
basketball players that have you know, come and went, had
a career that they.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Wanted or didn't have, you have like made.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
One of the most graceful, amazing pivots that I've ever.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Seen in my life.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
So out was like when because I remember after school
like you were not doing any of this like media broadcasting,
like you were just like figuring your shit out like
all of us are usually doing. And then all of
a sudden, like you're You're on ESPN every freaking day.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
So I was gonna say, we're still sitting here on
TV talking like you might not be playing, but you
might be on TV more than the players.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, it's like football, yousketball this. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
What's crazy is while it feels, I think the recent
years and how these recent years have blown up have
made it seem more graceful than it was because I
was on TV in twenty seventeen, like, and I don't
think people know that or they don't remember it. Or
they didn't like they weren't following that closely. Like it

(21:52):
was SEC Network and I was doing SEC Network shows
and I was also calling games online. So basically, like again,
story short, I end up deciding not to play my
fifth year, but I was still finishing my master's degree
because I graduated in three years. So I started my
masters my fourth year on the team, and I was
going to finish my master's on my fifth year on

(22:13):
the team. I wasn't playing anymore, but Tennessee still basically
gave me a grad assistantship to cover my scholarship, and
I worked in our academic department for athletes, so like
the athletes academic building, that's where I worked every day
and I to finish grad school. But while I was playing,
I became really good friends with Maria Taylor, who is

(22:35):
like one of the best and brightest and smartest, amazing,
amazing people on TV or in just in any space.
She is such a light and I got connected with
her and she I went down to Charlotte to visit her.
She was living there at the time. She took me
to the SEC Network studio. I met some people there. Actually,
the person I met there this was in twenty sixteen.

(22:57):
The person I met there is now my current at ESPN,
which is just so crazy about the full circle of moments.
There's so many of them. But basically right Tennessee. While
I was finishing my master's degree at Tennessee, the university
asked if I would be the color analyst for their

(23:18):
SEC network plus games, so like for the Tennessee games
that were online. They wanted me to be the analyst.
The schools book those people, and so I did like
a couple of run through sessions with Ball for Life films,
trying to learn TV. I didn't study TV. I did
study communication. My masters was in kinesiology. I never thought this.
I never saw myself being on TV. I was like

(23:38):
friends with Maria and she was like, you should think
about doing TV. You speak, well, you know the game
We've sen your inn I remember.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
I was like no cameras, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Basically calling the Tennessee games. So one of my assistants
went to Kentucky and one of my assistants went to
South Carolina that coached me at Tennessee, and the one
at Kentucky was like, hey, our analyst just backed out
of the game. That's in a couple of days. We're
playing Mississippi State. This was the year Misissippi statement to
the Final four, so they were playing Misissippi State. Can

(24:12):
you come be the analyst for our game? So I
missed class, drove to Lexington, called the game. The game
went to overtime. It shouldn't have went to overtime. And
I think it was an online game, but when it
went to overtime, I think people started listening or watching
and they're like, who is calling this game? And it
was me, And that is basically how ESPN got wind

(24:34):
of me. The boss at the time was Pat Lowry,
and everyone was like, you need to meet Pat Lowry.
You need to meet Pat Lowry. Fast forwarding. I ended
up meeting her at the SEC tournament. She said she
had like fifteen minutes of her time. We ended up
talking for like an hour. But while we were talking,
Nicky Fargus walks up to me and starts chatting. Nel
Fordner walks up to me. These were coaches in the

(24:54):
SEC at the time who I had relationships with, be
it through recruiting or just from my time as a player.
And Pat was like, all right, the championship game is tomorrow.
I want you to sit in the truck with me
and watch the game, and I'm just going to pick
your brain. So the championship game happens South Carolina, Mississippi
State is who I think it was, and she's like,
you know, what are they going to run here? I'm

(25:15):
like Victoria Vivian's to the corner. She's like, what's what's
don want here? I'm like a Lena Coach short corner,
like just just talking. And it was that in March.
She was like, all right, next winter, which would be
twenty seventeen. She's like, all right, next winter, I'll give
you two games on TV and if you do well,
then you'll get more. And so that was basically my

(25:36):
first like unspoken TV opportunity. And December came around. I
think it was November, actually November. December came around and
I had a Mississippi State game and I had a
Florida game on TV, and I ended up doing more
games that year, and it kind of went, that's insane.
It's never heard that before.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, literally, Okay, so now we're pivoting a few more
years whatever. Now you're doing football, you're doing college game day,
like you're doing everything, but I think your most notable
thing as of now is the Big Three? So how
did that come together? Was it random? Did you guys

(26:18):
plan that? Did y'all just all happen to be around
each other at the same time. They're like, you know what,
y'all three do it? Y'all cover WNBA because you know
how people used to be about the w They kind
of like here, damn, So how did that come about?

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, it's it's kind of crazy because so when I
I did well, you know, lex say, I was an
Orange Theory coach calling games, doing TV like I didn't.
I did that for four years, so my first TV
game is twenty seventeen. I didn't go full time at
ESPN until twenty twenty one, so like, Orange Theory paid
my salary while I was trying to get more and

(26:55):
more on TV. But in twenty twenty one, I went
full time. That's when they were like, you're gonna do football, softball,
and baseball at this, at this, at this, And I
did everything and then finally worked to get to the
point where I could say, hey, I just want to
get back to doing basketball only. And that's been these
last couple of years or I've really just focused on basketball,
the Big Three. Honestly, it feels random because it really

(27:20):
was the first year so we did College Game Day.
That was for our listeners, who's the big three? Oh yeah,
for those that don't know the Big three, it is
me Elle, Duncan and chine Okay, so that is now,
that is the Big Three. And honestly, it happened very organically,

(27:40):
like we had a College Game Day crew that was
people rotated in and out. So sometimes it was like
me Elle joined and it was Rebecca Lobo and Carolyn
Peck or maybe it was Carolyn Peck and Cheney or
it was it was just whoever it could be there
that week. And then Chinee did join for a couple
of shows and joined all of us, and the decision

(28:01):
makers it was for the NCAA tournament. Yeah, they were like, yeah,
that's what happened. So really the whole crew, it was
all of us throughout the season and then for the tournament,
I think Cheney and I. Yeah, like Rebecca went to
call games in the NCAA Tournament and so then it
was just meet Ellen Chaney in the studio because Carolyn

(28:23):
was calling games too, and that tournament in the studio,
we just vibed like we were in there for sixteen
hours straight watching basketball, talking trash, enjoying each other, making jokes,
getting to know each other. And that is really that stretch.
And I think two like fans who were really keeping

(28:44):
up with the tournament, we're also spending time with us
every day. So it was just this huge commitment to
watching women's basketball with the three of us getting you
from one game to the next, explaining what one game means,
explaining another matchup, arguing about what's more, and it was
kind of like we were just hanging out with women's college.
That's how two weeks straight and it blew up and exploded,

(29:08):
and that's what led to us being the game day
crew and us getting WNBA opportunities, And really, I think
they just wanted to keep the three of us together
because of the chemistry and the energy that we had
in that tournament.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I mean, that tournament wouldn't be that tournament without y'all.
Like I don't care what anybody says, I don't care
what anybody says. If y'all three were not together covering it,
it would not have had the impact or the enjoyment
that I think everybody like literally I was on Twitter
is when I was still on Twitter, like, yes, we
were talking about the games, but like everybody was talking
about y'all, like it was so.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Oh my gosh, it was insane. I remember my mom
telling me. I was like, I didn't even like peep that.
And then I think, you know, coming up, because I
always come from a different background from you, because I
always wanted to do media, and so I paid attention
to things like that, and coming up when I was younger,

(30:04):
it was like stage Steel, like it was Sage Steel,
Stage Steels.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
She was the only one.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
And then it was like I went to Georgia too,
so Maria Taylor was like and I was studying sportsbroadcasting,
so Maria Taylor was like god to us. And then
coming up and I got a little bit older, I
look at the TV one day and I'm like, oh
my god, it's just like it's just it's three black
women up there talking. Everybody has their own perspective, their
own personality, their own unique thing that they bring to

(30:30):
the table. And it was so exciting, especially to see
you guys get give excellent coverage but be yourselves like
it really felt like you were being yourselves. I think
that's what carried.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
With the audience. Yeah, yeah, I think that too, Like
and we're all so different, Like Elle is a mom
and she's the auntie and she's you know, gonna give
references that Toenay and I don't even know. And then
Janay is just like this ball of energy that has
so much energy. She's so bright. And then I can
like overthink and over analyze, and we have different voices,

(31:02):
different energies, but it just worked so well. We were
playing off of each other really well. I will also
say just because I do always try to make sure
the players and the games are the focus. Like the
games were also so good, like I think had if

(31:23):
we were, and I think we could have done it
just because we got We get along so well, we
can kind of make anything seem exciting. But the fact
that we didn't have to fake excitement or fake interest
or like pretend that something was impactful when really it
wasn't impactful. We didn't have to make it up. There
really was genuine performances and games and content and moments

(31:47):
that we were excited about. And I think that genuine
authenticity coming from what we were watching was what was showing.
It was honestly like the perfect mix, because if the
games weren't as good, we might not have been as good,
and if we weren't as good, maybe people wouldn't have
been as interested in the game. But we just had both.
So it was this perfect meeting of like high quality

(32:08):
on both ends. And I was I'm honestly glad we
were able to meet that moment because the games were
so good, we just wanted to match that.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, y'all sur past I remember we were just talking
our last episode. Remember when we used to have one
channel for all of the tournament games. Yes, and like
you just were lucky if you got ten minutes of
airtime and you're the number one even the country and
you're sharing a screen with everybody else. And now every
game like has their own things. So yeah, like y'all

(32:36):
really rose to the occasion. And I do think, I mean,
I'm going to give I mean, you're.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Going to give the players credit.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Obviously what they did on the court is important, but
I'm definitely going to contribute that tournament, in particular y'all's
coverage to it to you know, one of the driving
forces of this like explosion of interest in women's basketball
from your perspective, Like, what are some other things that
you feel are driving that explosion? How's it felt on
the media side of it, because you know, I like

(33:02):
dibble and dabble in the media, Mariah is like in
a completely different media space than you are, So like,
what is.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
It like like on that side of it? I think
that's all of it, though, Like I think the collective
investment and so obviously like companies and brands investing in
these players and who they are as people. And I
think and actually, we just had some research elements in
this college basketball meeting that I was a part of,
and they were saying how women's basketball fans are more

(33:30):
connected to the individual player. This was based on like
a survey that came out, but how women's basketball fans
are more connected to the individuals. And I think because
of nil and brand deals and opportunities to see who
these women are, that has helped fans new fans pick
a player and ride for that player and follow that

(33:50):
player's team, and wherever that player goes, they're following that player.
So the investment from brands for sure, and giving these
women opportunities to show who they are through partnerships and
through brands and through connections. That's huge, But also the
investment too, Like I noticed a big shift that season,
So this was two tournaments ago, where like we were

(34:11):
getting requests from Good Morning America, first, take Get Up,
like these other sport channels. I mean that these other
sports shows that ESPNA has always had, showing this incredible
interest in women's basketball, and these are shows that they're
going to talk about the hottest topic. That's the point
of the show, right like whatever is new. So we

(34:33):
were getting these requests that we hadn't gotten before. So
our workload and our assignments and are the things we
were being asked to do was increasing, But we were
very willing to do it because that grows the game.
So that from more people being invested, from content creators
being more invested and creating fun and quick and entertaining

(34:54):
ways to talk about these players and talk about these games.
And you know, people's attention spans are so short, Like
some people don't want to listen to me talk for
thirty minutes about all the breakdowns in the x's and o's.
They might just want to hear someone like Marian get
into it, get right into it, tell us the big things.
And so it's the overall commitment to the sport and
being able to see it and take it in from

(35:15):
different angles in different ways that I think it's been
able to grow. And again, of course, the product being
good always helps, Like we can't sell something that's not good,
So it's just a mix of all of that. My
thing is with.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
That tournament in particular, there was a huge that was
a moment, like it was insane, everybody was paying attention,
everybody loved it, and I always wondered from college right,
it seemed like with women's sports basketball in particular, people
were so willing to digest women's sports in the college format,
like people were obsessed with it. People were very interested

(35:50):
in it, and when that interest sort of carried over
into the W on a larger scale, there was this.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Like of new fans.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
How do you view that trend position from the interest
being in college students and why people are so fascinated
with those games in particular, and how that transition happens
into the W.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
I think people are interested in college athletics in particular
because you know, those players are like trying to collectively
get themselves to the next level. Like, to me, the
best thing about college athletics is that those players are
playing like with a goal in mind for their career
and their future and their family, and they're like the

(36:32):
rest of their lives are really determined by those four
years with that team or the teams that they end
up going to, or what they do in college determines
what they're doing at the next level, and so I
think that's particularly interesting. Also, I think people are just
very connected to the universities. Like people love their schools.

(36:52):
There are very committed fans to the schools. We haven't
always seen that at the pro level. For women's basketball,
we haven't seen like some we have. But this is
the first time really where I feel like players are
being followed from college wherever they go in the W
like college fans who attached to these players, which I

(37:14):
do give nil credit social media credit, like fans can
now instead of just connecting to Yukon or Tennessee or
whatever's on the front of the jerseys, fans can get
to connect to these players individually and it has led
to following those players into the W and so now
the fandom has just grown immensely from college basketball transitioning

(37:37):
into the w people are following that transition now where really,
you weren't getting as much le so you can speak
to this, You weren't getting that follow from one stage
to the net. Yeah, Like people would just obviously for
the superstars, and you would watch the absolute, you know,
most incredible players on their team, and these dynasty teams
and the teams that won a lot of championships, they
had a ton of fans. But now, and you see

(38:00):
this in the NBA at times, where like the top
player can go to a bad team and that team
still has a lot of fans because people love that player.
And we didn't always have that. I mean, you think
about the links that links team.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
You don't as amazing as all of them were as individuals,
you think of them as the unit. And I feel
like that part of WNBA fandom is sometimes I miss
that because now, like you said, everybody is like just
attaching themselves to one individual player.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
This is not an individual sport.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I do understand that in the last few years the
w people have been bouncing around a lot. I'm hoping
that with this new CBA players will start walking in
to three four year deals. So now there's a way
to marry these individual fandoms and then these team fandoms
and then like it can just overall make the ecosystem
better because I feel like it's a little it's a

(38:58):
little spooky right now, not gonna lie, but again, now
everyone is like sitting around, like where's my favorite player
gonna go.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
It's like the basketball hunger games for fans right now.
It's crazy. That's the next step.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
That's something that women's basketball has over men's basketball. In
my opinion, Lexi and I have spoken about this before
that when they're in college, they're there for more than
just a year. Even the best of the best players
are there for more than just a year. So we're
following this storyline of Juju Walkins, We're following this storyline
of Caitlin Clark, and then she has this rival Angel Reese,

(39:30):
and we get to see them play and somebody win,
and then we get to see it again next year.
Whereas it makes us like fall in love with that
story and then you follow it into the league like
most Indiana Fever fans, most of those people are from Indiana.
But to Lexi's point, that means that we have to
keep these teams together so that people are watching what's
happening around these players and falling in love with that too.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah. Yeah, and that's where I think, like that's what
I hope the w also gets back to, like these
teams will stay together and whoever the super star is,
of course that's the superstar, but you also start to
appreciate what the other It's something the Aces have done
really well.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Obviously they've been built asking us for four years out.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
It's for a reason, yes, it's a reason, but you
see obviously the superstar, but even just watching their finals run,
you watch how that superstar in Asia just uplifts everyone,
how everyone thrives around that player, and you can celebrate
what Chelse he's able to do, what Jackie's able to
do with Dana Jewel and that team. Obviously, you hope

(40:34):
they stay together and you become Aces fans, like a
fan of Asia Wilson is amazing, and they also turn
into a fan of the Aces. And I hope what
the Aces have been able to build in terms of
just their organizational fandom, like growing that at all of
the leagues as players stay there and build those teams
around them because that's what you think about. Like when

(40:54):
you mentioned the links or you mentioned the sparks, we
also got to see the links and the sparks got
it back and forth, and so you attance yourself too.
Are you cheering for Candace? Are you cheering for Maya?
Are you cheering for Kandas's teammates? Are you cheering for
Maya's teammates? Who are you rooting for? And you get
to pick a side, And so getting back to some
of those rivalries and back and forth where you are

(41:17):
feeling like you're following a storyline in the W that's
where it gets that the NBA has had it too.
You know, these rivalries where these teams go back and forth.
That's that's the fun part to me that I think
is the next step for the W are getting back
to it like we were there and now we're here.
Ever going to get back there?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (41:35):
No, I agree, trust me.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I definitely feel like that's a way that the WNBA
could take a page out of College's book so that
we can have that. I know, got a little bit
toxic there for a minute with the rivalry thing, but
people do love this team versus that team, and at
the beginning, that rivalry was very much about basketball, at
least for me, like it was like, Okay, who's going
to win this year? Because they were going at it

(42:00):
as far as March Madness was concerned, as far as
winning championships were one out of that rivalry, you know,
And that's what made people so attached to it.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Once we start seeing, you.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Know, Asia and the Aces have a rival that's like
them and the team. It's the same people every year,
and we see them talking trash and stuff like that.
That will it'll come back.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
But it's like we don't have like we literally don't
have that. Like they've been trying to like make fetch happen.
It's just not there. And I'm like, I feel like
that is literally like the piece that's missing in our
league is like having like team like real team rivalries,
like real competition, real bad energy.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Within the confines of the game.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Of course, some reason everybody thinks that that whatever that
is leaves when the game is over.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Now, it stays right where it is because that's.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Where it belongs. It's just as far as work talking
about the W, so we're gonna pivot the W. When
you look at all these new teams. You know, we

(43:07):
have everybody free agent blah blah blah. What franchise are
you like looking at to like where this this year is?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Like y'all gotta like figure it out?

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Like now, Like what is like one franchise that you're
like looking at, Like okay, like.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
In terms of figuring it out like on the court,
off the court, like you need.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
To, Like this team is due for some success they
need to figure out. Okay, they need yeah, both, but
like now it's like basically everyone has like an open slate,
like an empty roster to like make the right moves.
I mean, I feel like there's a lot of answers here,
but I'm interest to see.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, but you know there are a lot of answers.
I am particularly interested and I'll tell you why. But
I'm particularly interested in the Sparks because there was actually
some research done, research done, I don't know if it
was last year or the year before, and the Sparks
had not been doing very well, like the Sparks have,
you know, they've struggled, they just have in recent years.

(44:07):
And the Sparks were still from research that we pulled
one of the top like searched teams like the Sparks change.
You know, out you can search websites and who's clicking
on what, and like looking at the Sparks and what
they were doing, like purple and gold is those colors
are legendary in the basketball world. And that is an
organization and a franchise that I feel like we've seen

(44:31):
have such great success at such high levels, and then
we have seen plummet to the depths from a variety
of different things happening from decisions and things like that
at the top, players leaving, players coming, and so that
franchise in particular, like you have the Lakers and you
have the Sparks, and those two organizations, they're supposed to thrive.

(44:52):
That's that's La Basketball, and that's that's probably who I'm like,
what are the Sparks, What are the Sparks going to do?
What is their plan? And how are they moving forward
to get back on top.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
I'm curious who you think would be the first expansion
team to win a championship? Me and Lexi, you have
gone back and forth about this one a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
First expansion times.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
What did I say, I don't remember the Valkyries, I said,
the Valkyries Okay, I said the Valkyries.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
There, they're a year ahead, so that that gives them.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
But they're still I'm still I'm going to still put
them in this conversation.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Okay, who'd you say, Maura?

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Okay, Well, I had Lexi to pull up the years
after my answer because my original answer was going to
be Toronto, and then I found out they were going
to be a team to like twenty thirty. So that's
so mean to the other teams.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I did, right, I do need to I need to
see who's going to uh who comes in when? But
I just like to es yeah, but that I've seen.
I also want to go back to Lexi, who what
team are you the most interested in? Like in general,
I said the Sparks. Who are you the most interested

(46:05):
The Sky? That's a good one, the Sky only because.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
They're whatever drama that happened at the end of the year,
even though it was blown so out of proportion, because
this is not the first time a star in Chicago
has wanted to be out of Chicago. This is like
their mo so this is just the first time people
actually care.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I mean, I think that there needs to be some
type of conversation or change at the top. Literally that
we won a championship in twenty twenty one, Like, we're
not that far removed from winning a championship.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
So the fact that.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
This has happened so quickly, they can't keep people on
the team. It's not a destination. Chicago is beautiful, great
city in the summer. They have the Bulls, they have
the football team, they have the big like Chicago should
be one of those teams.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Even when I'm on Gills, they said New York.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Chicago, LA are like the big basketball markets, Like that's
what should be. When she said we need to make changes.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, the st Chicago is an excellent Chicago is an
excellent team in terms of what are what are you
all about to do from here? What are you about
to do? That's a that's a good one expansion team. Honestly,
Like with the way that the Valkyries, I would hope

(47:30):
that everyone starts to follow the Valkyries blueprint in terms
of fan engagement and building a team. And despite people
having so much criticism about roster decisions, having success because
of the internal decisions that were made for that roster
and putting a team together that clicked and that worked.

(47:50):
I would say I and I have a lot of
belief in Natalie Nicasse and her basketball mind and what
she would be able to do. Not that I wouldn't
have belief in any of the other coaches that then
end up, you know, taking jobs and things like that.
But I think the Valkyries do have, and now you're
giving them opportunities to get new players, get new pieces,

(48:11):
put a team together from not an expansion draft. I
think the Valkyries are they have a head start, so
my eyes would be on them for sure. Yeah, I
would be interested.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I don't keep running back to this question. But another
team that I would like to throw in the fold
is the Dallas Wings. I would love to see where
they go with this new era and so many free
agents and everything with the sky funny point to.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Both of you.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
I saw a tweet the other day and it was
a sky Slash Angel rees fan. We were just talking
about fans like that, that's so funny, but a sky
Slash Angel rees fan and they put a compilation of
all the celebrities that came out to games and then
like the score and them getting blown out, but nobody
like the average casual isn't really paying attention to that.
They're like, oh my god, look it's Glover Loo or

(49:01):
Lotto or whoever.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
But it's like, why are you Like people are so weird.
Like at the end of the day, I was watching something.
We were also at a football game, and they had
like in the middle of like a timeout, the players
are still on the field, they had like fans like
on the field doing some type of fan thing, And
I'm like, sports is sports, yes, obviously, but like it's
entertainment now, Like we sports isn't a whole different stratosphere now.

(49:28):
And the faster the WNBA picks up on that, right,
That's why I.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Bring that up, because this guy have a unique opportunity
with being Chicago, a big basketball market, a great city,
having Angel there, She's doing all these things on and
off the court, and all these celebrities court side at
the game whatever. Like if they were able to match
that with the energy they had in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
One, realistically, one team can win the championship, just one. Yeah, yeah,
So you might as well use these opportunities and moments
in these talented, amazing women you have on your rosters
to at least not waste your season away because you're
not waving like and maybe.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
That's where obviously, like there was some drama at the
end of last season, but there is like part of
me when I think about La versus Chicago, and LA
was my first where my mind went first, because I
do feel like Chicago they have the tools, like they
have things they just won recently. They have Angel Reese

(50:27):
who literally anyone will come watch and see and watch
on the court, who also improved tremendously from one season
to the next and is playing a different position and
can impact the floor in more ways than she could
in just her first year. Like I remember talking to
Tyler marsh about him wanting to use Angrel rees Moore
as a point forward, and we saw her have a

(50:47):
triple bubble. So to me, like there's more to work with.
I know, the drama is the drama that was there, Like,
but to me, if they could just figure it out
and figure out how to keep players and have fans
get engaged and be there going crazy for Angel Reeves
because she's such a big name and such a big draw,
they have a little bit more to work with in
my opinion than some other teams who in my eye

(51:08):
is on like, how are you going to generate excitement
for your organization? That's really my question for all of
these teams. I'm not worried about Chicago generating excitement. Angel
Reese walked in the.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Victoria's Secret fashion, so like she is everywhere, people are
excited to watch her and her teammates period, no matter
what the score is, people are going to want to
watch that on the floor.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
What are other organizations going to do to get that
level of engagement where people are bought in even if
the team is struggling.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, that's another next step in the women's basketball room.
And I feel like this explosion over the last two
years was just so unexpected and out of left field.
But again, I feel like, just like in the season,
what tournament was that twenty twenty three tournament when everything
went crazy? I feel like this CBA, that's how the
season ended. Ace is winning. Everybody a free agent, Like

(52:01):
this is another perfect storm opportunity. A lot of teams,
you know, cleaning house, bringing new coaches in, bringing fresh
faces in, a lot of European players coming over.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Like it's this is just like a storm going on
right now, and it's.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Up to us, the players, front office, media, to make
sure that we handle it correctly because it could go bad.
It could go really bad if it's if it's not
handled how it's supposed to be handled so well. But
for me, I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
There's so many good things, Like there's so many superstars
and players and moments like there's there's so much that
it can't like for me, I'm just like, please don't
mess this up. Like literally, I'm the same.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I'm so you got athletes unlimited, you have unrivaled, you
have all the things like.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Well for both of you.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
My last question rapid fire, Okay, you're building the ideal
WNBA player to start a franchise with. Okay, you can
have anybody you want your starting a franchise, and you
can take three pieces of players that are available in
the league right now, whether that's this person's this person's speed,
this person shooting, maybe this person's off the court for

(53:14):
prowess or whatever, three things from current WNBA players. Who
are you building as your ideal player to start a
franchise with?

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Oh damn, oh my gosh, okay, I got okay, because
it has to make sense because you can't have like
attributes of a point guard and a center.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Like exact.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Or could you like, am I trying to make like
the greatest shooting guard of all time or like the
greatest power forward.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Of all time?

Speaker 1 (53:43):
It depends who you want to start your your franchise with.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Okay, I'm making the greatest shooting guard. I'm making a
great shooting guard right now. Okay, I'm going to give them.
I'm going to give them Jackie Young's physicality kmax shooting.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Mmmm, now do I want her to I want her
to rebound and no passing.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
This isoud, This is a bucket getter. She's like Jackie
Jackie's physicality K max shooting and Gabby's defense and athleticism.
That player might exist in the league. I just don't

(54:35):
know which one it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah who
That player might actually be Jackie. I mut jack like
an elevated Jackie.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
I'm trying to think, like I'm I'm I'm like, oh,
like if I'm thinking about like the most dominant player
in the game, who could just like go crazy.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Like I'm like I would do Chelsea gra and Angel rebounding.
That don't make sense, like because if you pass them
like Chelsea you're not getting autumndamn rebounds, so that doesn't
make sense.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
You're thinking too hard about it. This is a dream,
but you know you see me and B and j R.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
So type a like this is not a good question
because some people will be like, I want my player
to be eight feet tall.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
But can dribble? I mean Wemby existby that Wimby's who
went to my mind and I was like, what skills
would I take from the women's game to basically make
what we are seeing in Wimby? Like the size, with
the skill with the mindset is just like what like
what he's an alien? That one is an alien? Like

(55:45):
we would have to go with Like I just described
a Jackie Young in like a year, whatever that takes,
it'll be. I was just to say that I was
going to say, like maybe dominate Malunga in however many years,

(56:06):
or like if you took her body with Asia Wilson's
mindset and skill set and like Asia Wilson's mindset, because
I think her mentality is just like incredible, I'm not
losing ever, you know, like her leaping ability, so Dom's
like overall athleticism and physique with Asia Wilson's mindset and

(56:35):
I mean stang alrighty Dom with the mindset of Asia
Wilson and the skill set and fluidity offensively.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Of Shitaylen Kelsey Plumb, o Kayln Clark or Plumb.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
I was gonna say Kelsey Plumb because she really shifty,
Like just now, the offensive fluidity and vision in Dom's
body with them also the mindset and skill set of
Age Wilson. You're okay, Dom write this.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
I don't know if she's listening, but we're gonna clip this.
I'm gonna send it to her and be like these
these are your expectations straight from ESPN.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Girl. That was the game that was played that I
participated in. But narrative start. That's how narrative start. Yes
it is, and people clip like thirty seconds so they
don't hear our entire debate on what we were just
trying to decide, like.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
This is not real life. You can say whatever you write.
We're going to act like that didn't happen. We're just
gonna act like Drea came on here and was like
this is the type of player I want.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Yeah the end, YEP, I hate you both.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Actually, well you guys before Twitter clips us and puts
why the w NBA needs wouldn't be up at the top.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
Let's say this all right, So, thank you guys for
listening to another episode of the Full Circle Podcast with Me,
Alexi and our special guest Andrea.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Thank you so much for your time, and y'all.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Thank sure to keep it blocked. Thank y'all, thanks for.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Listening to Full Circle. We'll be back next week with
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