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November 20, 2025 47 mins

On today’s episode of Full Circle, Lexie and Mariah open the show discussing the latest news in CBA negotiations. Then, the duo dive into women’s college basketball! They address shake ups in the top 25 rankings, players to keep your eye on, and how NIL has disrupted college sports.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey, everybody, welcome back to episode of Full Circle. Sorry
for our tardiness. You know, life be life in the
girlies are busy. And by the girlies, I mean Mariah
because right now I'm not really doing much, but we
are here together with y'all. We're wrapping up season one

(00:34):
of this pod. And yeah, so this was going to
be our college episode. It still is going to be
our college episode. First, Mariah, how are you doing? You've
been all over the place. I'm great doing all of
the things. I'm great. Guys. If you don't follow Mariah
on any socials, please do that. She's so entertaining. She

(00:55):
you know what I've wanted to ask you about this.
You've been bringing your tiktoks to the ground. Have you
been doing that? I've been doing that intentionally or you're
kind of just like fuck it, like I'm just gonna
the world.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
So it's been being a content creator. If you guys
out there are are striving to do this or whatever,
like it's really important to diversify, you know. We learned
that when TikTok was about to die, and like everyone
was like, oh no, but I used to be My
fear of life used to be posting on Instagram, and
my manager is always like, post reels, post reels, post reels.

(01:30):
So now I just like decided to just let it
go and I post every single thing I post on
TikTok onto reels in some form, whether that's my personal
page or my hopes for ADDIE's page. So the Graham
has been seeing and I feel like so many more
of my friends now are seeing my videos.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I literally on Instagram. Kate the algorithm, because you're absolutely right.
I've been seeing you a lot with your reels. You've
been making me laugh because it's funny because I'm like,
I just saw this on TikTok yesterday and now I'm
seeing it again on Instagram. But I've been seen you
more and I like hate that, but I also love
that because I think it is good for people to

(02:04):
just just post it, just post a shit. And I
tell my one of my best friends that all the time,
because she kind of gets nervous about posting. And I'm like,
what are you nervous about? But then I'm like, girl,
you haven't posted in a week, what are you nervous about?
So I need to start listening to my own advice.
I do hate reels, though they're embarrassing to me.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I know, I had to let go of the idea
that Instagram was for me to be cute only yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, because you'd but your persona on socials you talk
a lot, so it's like even like some of the
girls I see on TikTok and then I find their
Instagram pages and they it's just all cute see things
like this. Don't imagine what your TikTok like. Even on
my TikTok, I don't really talk. I don't do much talking,
like just sitting in front of the camera just yeahp

(02:52):
in like my inner thoughts like you do, which I
think is so funny. I want to get there one day.
But I'm just like I don't really be having anything
to say like plan business practice this part. I'm just
like I'm just better, Like I've been doing this for
five years. I'm just better in like conversations, like because
people like some people are like so you're actually like

(03:13):
really funny, I don't. I didn't know that about you,
And I'm like, yeah, I'm not. I'm not a comedian,
but I'm I'm a quick thinker. I'm pretty witty, I think.
So it's like people will only catch me in most conversations.
But now, if y'alln't follow Marya on socials, please do that.
She's amazing, she's hilarious. She'll get y'all caught up on

(03:35):
everything from Love Island to the NFL, like whatever you need.
She's a one stop shot. Okay, first and foremost, before
we get into this college stuff. News broke yesterday about
our CBA negotiations, and obviously when that happens, everybody turns
into a WBA owner. It kind of major business entrepreneur. Major.

(04:01):
So I've been seeing all the commissioner of businesses that
they've never even had in their life. So, oh, guys,
Kennon got a haircut yesterday. By the way, if you don't,
if you don't recognize this hot dog behind me, it's
he got a haircut. He looks so cute, So cute. Okay,
So what news was shared yesterday is that the proposal

(04:26):
will include revenue sharing with a maximum salary of more
than one point one million dollars available to more than
one player per team, growing each year. The WNBA officials
updated the board on the latest proposal at meetings this week.
The new league minimum would be more than two hundred
and twenty thousand, with an average of more than four
hundred and sixty thousand dollars. These numbers would start in

(04:47):
the first year of the deal for more than one
hundred and eighty players and increase over the length of
the CBA. So, yes, this is true, but this has
been the case four months. This is like, this is
not like they didn't yesterday. They didn't be like, oh,
here's the proposal we have and leak it. This is

(05:08):
the proposal that they gave us already that we've been like, no,
this is not what we want. Like they're there be
a messy right now and they're leaking information and I
think it's it's very calculated obviously, But this is not.
This is We've already known this. This is the proposal

(05:29):
that we were like no, because there's still not We're
still on a fixed cap, we're still on a fixed increase,
and the revenue sharing doesn't kick in until after everything
else is deducted after we hit this mystery mark and
nothing has changed people, So I know that everybody is

(05:51):
gonna get caught up in the big number. Which, don't
get me wrong, those numbers are incredible. I never thought
in a million years I would be able to see
those numbers at salaries for the WNBA during my career.
They're big numbers. They're big numbers, So don't we are
not picking our nose up at the numbers. And the
numbers are great. It's the system that's flawed. It's the

(06:13):
future that's flawed. This is just the salaries. We haven't
even gotten into housing. We haven't even gotten to benefits.
We haven't even gotten to travel, we haven't gotten into
none of that yet. So the fact that they're just
throwing out these big numbers with no context whatsoever is
very irritating, but it's strategic and applause to the ownership

(06:37):
and the league. Great y'all are doing what y'all are
supposed to do. But this is not like shocking breaking
news to the players. We've already this is. We've been there,
done that, seen this already. So I just wanted to
clear that up for anybody that cares that listens to
our show, because I've seen a lot of discourse on
the on the interwebs about it, and they're trying to

(06:59):
make y'all look on great exactly, and I hate that,
Like I hate that, Like, now, this is the this
is the the path they're taking. Is look what we're
giving them, Like they don't want this, because why don't
they want this money? I don't. And then it's just
like now, yeah we do. And especially with the times
that we're in right now, what the world is dealing
with and what is going on right here in the

(07:20):
United States. Yeah, like it very much looks like WNBA
players read the fucking room. And trust me, I get that.
I understand that, but like this is, this is this
is bigger than just salaries, guys.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
So the fact that y'all are not even knowing.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
What else is in the CBA, Like there's it's literally everything, everything,
every benefit, every trainer, every medical, every where we stay
on the road, like everything is written in the CBA.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
So and every w player I've talked to you about
the CBA has also mentioned the fact that, like, again,
salaries isn't the main it's the one thing that everybody
in the world is like, oh, WNBA players want more money,
they want more money, but there's also that other piece
of it of taking away your off season potential or

(08:19):
like that's.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
A big thing.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
It's like you might give me this money, but you're
taking away my opportunity to make money elsewhere that might
be more money than not money.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
You're talking exactly exactly, and I mean speaking of those
off season opportunities. I mean, yeah, you can make you know,
a good amount of money in the w but like
not playing to your full potential, not the world not
seeing your personality, brand's not seeing you because you're the eighth, ninth,
tenth player on this team. You go to your other league,

(08:46):
you're a star. In most cases, you go overseas, you're
a star. You're broadening your reach, you're reaching a global audience.
So the fact that there is a chance that they're
also trying to take that away on top of everything else,
it's like, no, we're not going for it. And I mean, yes,
the number, the numbers look good, they're pretty, they're shiny,
they're big. There's something that we've never seen before. But

(09:09):
this whole situation is so much bigger than that. And
I even listened to Elena Beard on the Sarah Spain
Show shout out Sarah Spain talking about Project B and
like what they're doing over there, and respectfully, Elena like
gave nothing. She gave us no nothing, really, she gave

(09:29):
us like little crumbs, but like as far like Sarah
was trying, Like Sarah was digging, digging, and Elena was
like air tight. But like that's like her personality's like
very private and really good about stuff like that. But
basically the things that I took away like they're basically
trying to make like f one for basketball. That was
like her like summary of what Project B is. I mean,

(09:53):
she said they got a lot of money, they got
a lot of tech people involved, and they're trying to
make when men's basketball global. So when I'm listening to
like the players that they could potentially sign, you know,
I'm thinking of WNBA vets that have a presence in Europe,
so that have played many years overseas. I'm thinking of

(10:16):
actual international players that have never even been to the
w before. I feel like that's going to be more.
They're gonna have more international players than people probably think
they're going to have. I mean it sounds like a
really cool idea and she and she was very very
vocal on we're not trying to dismantle the WNBA like this,
We're not trying to compete with the WNBA. This is

(10:38):
just simply a different opportunity, a different look for women's
basketball players to make money playing sport they love. Like
she was very vocal about making sure that people know
that these off season leagues are not meant to dismantle
the W, Like these off season leagues wouldn't exist without
the W. So, if y'all want to learn more about

(10:59):
Project BE, you head to Sarah Spain's show. She interviewed
Alna Beard Duke Legend. So yeah, if y'all want to
know about that, head over there was. It was actually
a really good interview, but like I said, Atlanta was
very like limited with information she could share. But I
did learn a lot and it does seem like a
really cool thing. Anything else, CBA, WNBA. Oh, if y'all

(11:23):
don't know, Neka Goo McKay and Alyssa Thomas announced that
they were joining Project B, which I saw him was like,
oh my god, and I'm like, well, they are like
very seasoned overseas players so the whole concept of not
want to go overseas anymore, like that doesn't apply to
all players. Some players really really enjoy going overseas. I

(11:47):
was like fifty to fifty, like it was cool living
over there, but I was like, I miss my family,
I miss my friends. Living is crazy. That's where you
lose me. See a week cool.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
It's not like going to Seattle or something where you
can go for a couple months or a couple of
weeks and come.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Back like, no, that's just far. It's far, and like
fresh out of college and you just get dropped into
a new country and you're just kind of like they're
just kind of like figure it out and you have to.
But at the end of the day, you're there to
play basketball, and they do not play when it comes
to basketball. I told you all the time, like you
live in the gym when you play overseas two a days,

(12:27):
like you wake up, you go to practice, you take
a nap, you go to your second practice, and now
it's nighttime and you're tired of shit, so you just
go to bed and you repeat, and that's it. And
you learn a lot about yourself when you're overseas. But
I had a nice time. I wouldn't like not like
if I had to go back, I wouldn't change anything.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
But I interviewed an Olympic volleyball player and she was
talking about playing overseas because volleyball is different in the
way that there's not really there are now, but before
there all weren't really domestic professional leagues for women to
play about volleyball, like you played in college and you
could be the best player in the nation, and that
was kind of it if you didn't go overseas. And
she was talking about how when they would go overseas,

(13:10):
it would be fine when they were playing the language barrier.
But because everybody you speak volleyball, you speak basketball, you
kind of like you can get it. But she was like,
outside of that, like trying to like foster relationships and
like make friends with my teammate.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
It's hard. It's so hard, and they are very aware
of the language barrier, which I always appreciated that, and
then I tried to learn. I mean, my first country
was Hungry guys. Hungarian is such a hard language. They
have extra letters in their alphabet, like it is a
very hard yes, Like their language is like symbols and

(13:48):
like it's crazy. I tried really hard and then they
have the really heavy accents and it's just like, oh
my gosh, I went from Hungarian to Hebrew. When I
played in Israel, that was hard, and then French. I
did Spanish my whole life, so I was sol my

(14:10):
overseas time. Any of that Spanish did not help me
nowhere I was playing. So when I had shooting practices
in France, they made me count, like, they made me
use French numbers, and that was like my French practice detects,
and then a bunch of other things that I can't.

(14:31):
It was like so like I would we do shooting
practice and I make like what like nine out of
ten shots, and I'd be like nine or ten and
he'd be like what and I'd be like and then
I had to say it in French instead, and they're
all like, good job, le seed.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I felt like a little kid glass.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
That's insane.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Okay, enough professional basketball time, Let's come back to the US.
I guess yeah, back to the United States with the
women's basketball that's going on right now, which is college,
and we haven't touched on college at all yet, so
this is gonna be like our little mini college catch

(15:20):
up recap for the season so far. Until we come
back in the new year, I don't even know where
to start. Where are we gonna Where are we gonna start?
Where were gonna start? Well, we could start with the
top twenty five top twenty five that my Dukies have
fallen out of. Not happy about that, you know what

(15:41):
I've You know, I didn't think that people really have
beefoot Duke for real, for real until like I got there,
Like when I was at Maryland, I thought like that
all that was made up, like people really like y'all, y'all,
y'all think y'all people take that. I was like, y'all, Like,
who do y'all think y'all are a dude? Like people
really don't hate y'all us, Yes they do, they do.
And I didn't realize that until I got there, and

(16:02):
I was like, oh, like, y'all are like really most
hated no matter what, whether y'all are good or bad.
Duke is like most hated. And it was fun.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
But like now as a fan, it's very annoying.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I don't like it. And I feel like the committee
was not They couldn't wait to kick them out of
the top twenty five for whatever reason. And actually, let's
talk about that game right now. If you guys didn't
know Duke West Virginia Duke West Virginia last week, there

(16:37):
was a little bit of a feisty moment at the
end of the first half, which I watched it and
I was like, okay, Like it wasn't It was not
that no punches were thrown, nothing, but benches were cleared,
which that if you guys do not know, if you
are on the bench and something an altercation happens on
the court and you leave your bench and step on
the court, you're ejected immediately. One of it could be

(16:59):
like your toe, the edge of your toe, if you
ever know, if you exit your coach bench area and
step onto the court, you rejected. So obviously they were
like because I saw the headline and it was like
blah blah blah. Players ejected, and I was like, oh
my god, there was a fight. No its because they
they cleared the bench and you're not allowed to do that.

(17:21):
So that's why the players were rejected. West Virginia ended
up finishing the team the game with only five players
five and beat Duke at West Virginia they're twenty three
on the poll. Y'all let me okay, I'm glad that
you said that, because, yes, playing with five players and

(17:42):
losing is unacceptable as a top twenty program. Absolutely, But
can we like not disrespect these West Virginia players because
they're now they're top twenty, they're top twenty five teams.
So there's that wasn't a scrub team that they were playing.
Just because they had five healthy bodies doesn't mean that

(18:02):
they weren't capable to win a basketball game, clearly. So
people were like feeling a way about the Duke game.
And I can't believe y'all lives can't believe, can't believe
as if those five players that suited up for West
Virginia weren't college basketball players too. I don't I don't
see sound like such a fair Like yeah, that's insane.

(18:26):
No losing to five players.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
I'm sorry, guys, these teams don't play more than five
players anyway, like like these again, I don't know, I
didn't see who was ejected or not ejected, but if
it was as many players that left the bench, those
girls probably wasn't playing anyway, for being honest, So, yes,

(18:51):
Duke should not have lost that game.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Don't get me wrong. When I saw that, I was
like Girley Pops. Let's know. But now West Virginia is
number twenty three in the country, so that's not some
bummy teams. People always have been asking me about what
I think about Duke.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
I think they are a great defensive team.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I think the way Kara has taught those young girls
how to defend has been super impressive. Like I don't,
you don't see very many college teams move as a
unit defensively like Duke does. My issue with them has
been their inability to score the basketball. And it's been
like this for since Kara got there. And I don't

(19:36):
know if that's by design. I don't know if they
just do defensive slides all of practice and nothing else.
They're currently averaging sixty four sixty nine points per game.
Last year, they finished the season averaging seventy four in
the season before sixty nine. Right now, currently the top
five teams in the country are all averaging eighty four

(19:58):
points or more per game. I think in a few
of the highest teams are like in the hundreds. So
the game is shifting. We see it on all levels.
It's shifting to a more offensive mind did approach because
it's entertainment, it's fun, it's fast paced. The players are
more athletic, they're more skilled. So yeah, people, you know,

(20:23):
if offense wins game, defense wins championships. I don't know,
you need to really know. But if you can't score
the Royds A really like, you have to have a
really good offense, Like I think. I think that that
statement is so flawed in so many ways. As true
as it is, it's like no like, because here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Even if you play perfect defense, if I score zero
and you score zero, we tied.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
So that's still not all. And if you play excellent
defense and you make a few mistakes in the score
is like four to zero, you still lose. You have
to play the ball in the basket. And that has
been my thing with this dude team the last few years,
just they're not scoring at a high rate, and they

(21:11):
have players that can score. The player that I'm looking
at is Toby. She's just a sophomore. She's just a baby.
But that team is very veteran led. They have a
lot of seniors and juniors on that team, so I
think they're going to be fine, Toby. I think it's
gonna have to make a major leap from last year
to this year. But they have to figure out their offense.

(21:34):
They're gonna have to. But them getting kicked out of
the top I think they were fifth. They went from
fifteen to out like that. It's bad. I was like,
I didn't understand that, But hey, I think they'll they'll
find their way back. They're like the last team out
like they got like if they had like a few
more votes, they would be twenty five.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
But I'm like, Yo're tripping kicking them out Like there were.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Some other big move there's some other big moves that
happened in the top twenty five. We got Michigan who
climbed eight spots number six after they beat Notre Dame
ninety three to fifty four.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Wow, see and Notre Dame only dropped six. I'm sorry
losing by fifty to a ranked team like you should
have got pedalized way more for that, way more than
losing by a little bit as like No, that was

(22:35):
that was actually ridiculous. I checked that score and I
thought there was a glitch on ESPN because I was like,
there's no way Notre Dame's losing like that, But after
looking at some of the highlights and even like the
games in the past that they that they started the season,
it's like, this is not the same Notre Dame team

(22:56):
that we've seen as of recent years. I think they
have limited offensive firepower, which is why Hannah Hildago has
taken the brunt of that responsibility offensively, which we saw
also last week when she had a record breaking performance
of forty four points in sixteen steals.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Which says what is absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
And people and you know I and I don't like
to bring the Internet onto our show, but sometimes you
got to kind of check the pulse of things, especially
with college because there's so many games going on at
the same time. People were like, well, it was against
a bad team. It was against a bad team. I
can respect the fact that no matter who's in front
of Hannah Hildago, she's playing balls to the walls, like

(23:41):
she does not care who her opponent is. She doesn't
play down to her competition. If she thinks your food
your food, if she thinks she can take the ball
from me, I mean sixteen steals. No, of course they
were back. Yeah, but it's like, even on the worst
teams that I've ever played in college, will I get
at sixty fucking steals? Like, right, that's very impressive. But

(24:04):
I will say, as a as a defender, if anybody
knows about defense, like a lot of a lot of steel,
when you get steals, you're gambling. You're guessing nine times
out of ten, you're guessing where the ball is going
to be, and you are wrong more than you're right.
So I didn't watch the totality of that game. I
would love to see like how many steals she like

(24:26):
went for versus how many she got she had to
have gone unless it was just one of those games
where like the ball was just finding her. And I
think as good as a defender she is, she's averaging
seven steals a game right now, as good she is
at being having a mind and a knack for finding
the ball defensively, there is a level of her that's

(24:48):
going to have to learn to pick her battles and
not gamble so much, because when she gambles and she
gets is wrong, she puts her whole team at risk
of getting scored on.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Because now she's at a position year in rotations, So for.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Someone that averages seven steals a game like she's getting
like she's going for steals a lot, which means she's
putting her team in rotations a lot, because even if
you get your hands on one, you might not always
get it. But now you're flying over there, the ball
is going towards the basket, you're out of position. So
I think that's the growth that we'll see in her game,

(25:22):
especially defensively, because you can't always go for those seals,
especially when you're playing a team like Michigan, who's very good.
They've been they're underrated as far as like their player
development because they've had some players make really good jumps
from last year to this year. They were taking care
of the ball. So excited for Michigan. They've always they're

(25:44):
always solid. Michigan's always solid. Notre Dame. They're missing Olivia,
Miles Bad, they're missing Sonya, they're missing Sonya, Centron even
batter So yeah, I mean that happens. Gods when people
graduate and leave, like they leave gaping hole on teams. Wow,

(26:16):
what do you think about TCU? And you know, and
that is that's transfer, that's where the transfers are going
right now. And the gaping holes that were left with
Haley van Lyth and Sedona Prince have been filled quite
nicely by Olivia Miles and other players that have transferred in.

(26:38):
I knew that TCU was going to be a better
team with Olivia Miles as their point guard.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
She has such a great court vision.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
They just beatn North Carolina State, which was a huge
win for them. So happy to see top teams playing
each other early in the season. It doesn't happen that often,
but when you when you get a matchup like that,
like you have to pay attention whether to both sides.
NC State. You know, they start off really really hot,

(27:06):
they've kind of like kick, kind of like a struggle
moment right now. But it's good to get that. That's
why you got to play good teams early. We don't
get into that in a second with the next team
we're about to talk about, because there has to be
some type of benefit or tick on you for the
tournament based on your non conference and yes, strength of schedule,

(27:27):
like yes, that comes into play, but oh, some of
these non conference games are so hard to watch.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
And I've never been out of mid major.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
My sister went to a mid major and My brother's
at a lower mid major right now, and they agree
to these games because they get money for them. So
I get annoyed with some of these coaches that put
their players in these really horrible, embarrassing situations playing these
Power five programs, but they're like doing it. They're doing

(28:02):
it for the program, like they're doing it for the school.
And that's just kind of the reality of college sports now,
like that It's always happened in the past, but I
just feel like now it's happening like way way more
because these smaller schools are trying to keep up with
these bigger schools as far as like being able to
give their players money, provide adequate stuff for their athletes

(28:24):
when they come play at their schools. It's like a
money raise, it's a money grab, and it's I've always
said the nil is ruining college sports, not at the top,
not the Power five. They're thriving in anile. This anile
era has been absolutely amazing for the Power fives. I'm
talking about all the other schools, the things that they're
the new hurdles that they are now experiencing for not

(28:46):
having the same amount of money, the same amount of luxuries,
the travel accommodations, Like there's so many things now that
are like being spotlighted at these smaller programs, and they're
trying to just get as much money as they can
playing these teams. Who did I see somebody beat somebody

(29:07):
by like eighty or something? And I'm just like, LSU
was that the game? Because I think I put it
on my story, Yeah, and I was like, I would
never pick up.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
A didn't they play Georgia South?

Speaker 2 (29:20):
I don't know who they play every I mean, LSU
is beating the crap out of people right now, and
Kim has and we're gonna ask I'm gonna ask Klanie
this when we interview her. Oh yes, uh uh breaking news.
We're interviewing Klannie Brown on our next episode. But I'm
gonna ask her about Kim, like why do you why
does she make y'all's non conference like that? Like why

(29:43):
does she keep doing that? And it's funny because now
people are really like, why are you doing that?

Speaker 3 (29:49):
And she just She's like, because this is what I do.
I'm gonna keep doing it.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
I'm gonna keep scheduling these terrible teams for my team
to beat up on. And we still gonna make it
to the Final four, so say something. So I'm like,
you're right, kid, because y'all do be making it to
the Elite eight and Final four every year, so you know,
I can't even say nothing about it. But I just
can't fathom a top five team playing, having the schedule

(30:16):
they have and being top five, they didn't even get
to the final four. Here's the thing last year. What
bothers me.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
With what you're saying is that's exactly why I don't
think it should be allowed.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Like obviously, nil is a great thing. Y'all know.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
I don't want to take money out of nobody's pockets. Okay,
especially not an athlete. But I do think it needs
to switch up a little bit. They should not be
allowed to get paid to go like by the school.
Like that should not be a thing, Like the schools
resources should go to the program, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Like they should not be like.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Paying salaries for players and like trading them and that
is a mess. And you're right, it only screws everybody else,
the little guys, because they don't have the money to
do that.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
There's no parody and there's no room for growth. It's
the rich get Richard or the Portra that's like the parody.
I think they should do said parody because the parody
that we were so excited about happening has now just
completely reversed. Like there's there's no more parody. Like I
was looking at the top twenty five, there's no like
mid majors anywhere like Lash Usually it's Creighton. Fairfield has

(31:25):
always like been there the last few years. Creighton has
always ends up in the top twenty five by the
end of the year, and uh, there was one more.
It was like either South I think it's South Dakota State,
I think, or North Dakota State, one of those. They
always end up in the top twenty five at the
end of the year because they are they have a
really good record and they like blow through their conferences.

(31:48):
But now it's like you have these players at these
mid majors and they jumping ship to these bigger schools
because they want money. So like the parody that we
were loved, that we were starting to love about women's
basketball is now like is gone completely. Like the top
twenty five is all power five and there's like and

(32:08):
there's no like one or two in the other receiving votes.
And that's it, Like.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
We're starting to lose that thing in college sports that
I love so much about it that makes it's like
that identity part of it, where like I'll never be
in Atlanta Hawk, but I will I've been a Georgia
bull Dog because I went to school there, and like
you know, growing up in Georgia, people dream of going
there because their granddad went there. We just talked about
this with Andrea, like her wanting to go to Tennessee

(32:34):
her whole life, and we literally talked.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
About this with her.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Had nil been on the table and she'd been offered
all this money to go to some other school, she
might have never went to the school that was her
dream school to begin with in the first place, and
like had that pride to be there. And so it
takes all of that away, Like which sucks for a
kid who's very impressionable, very young, their kid, so they
have no money coming into this situation, and you got

(32:58):
an eighteen year old taking care their whole family off
of going.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
To school, and it's just like it puts them in
a bad situation.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Of course, they're going to be impressionable to choose the
school that might not be the right fit for them,
or jump ship from a school that they really.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Love because they're gonna pay them for like I don't
like at all. I want them to get their brand
deals and get their money. But that yeah, because now
I feel like now where it's getting mixy is the
schools being able to pay And I'm just like at
one point and it's and it's it's interesting because they're
never going to be able to like initiate like a
salary cap system or a contract because then you're not

(33:33):
amateurs anymore. So that's never going to happen. And if
it does, then they're gonna have to unionize, like they're
already trying to start that, the unionization of college athletes,
Like that's already in the works. Elizabeth was telling us
about that, like back in January when we interviewed Elizabeth Williams.
I'm just like, like, what what do you do? Like
I'm seeing players be at a program for three years,

(33:57):
build something incredible, make crazy tournament run, and then they
out because they want money. Like I don't, I don't
care what any of them say. They are not y'all
not try to win championships, Like ring chasing culture doesn't
exist in college I'm sorry it doesn't. That's a pro
sports thing. These players are leaving for a bag and

(34:17):
that's fine, But now I'm just like, where's the fine?
Where's this? Like the storytelling is now? Like I don't
even honestly, I don't even know what what the storylines
are in women's college basketball right now because so many
people moved around. And that's been our issue with men's
college basketball for many, many years. Even before Nio, guys

(34:42):
were just like just bouncing around, like how can I
get to the league easier? Or what will give me
a better path to the league. Now it's just like
where can I get the most money? And at this point,
like I don't. I'm gonna find where's the team with
the least amount of transfers. And I'm saying this as
a transfer kid. Guys like I was a trans kid,
so I understand like how hard it was for me

(35:04):
to make that decision and there was no money on
the table and I had to sit out. So my
experience bring back situ, ass down and think about your decision,
make think about what the choice you just made, because
that's what I had to do my first year in Durham.
Is this really like where I want to be? And

(35:26):
if it's not, you better make it the place you
want to be, and you better make the most out
of your situation because you not leaving again. But even
me talking from the experience of a transfer kid, like it,
my experience is so vastly different than the experience of
transfer kids now, Like I can't even I don't even
think I have to preface anything by saying, oh, guys,

(35:46):
I was a transfer kid too. It's not the same
as it was when I was in college. But I
feel like, speak on the transfers. We can't even just
get into the biggest transfer. I felt like that surprised
every It didn't really surprise anybody that watched South Carolina closely.
This wasn't surprising that she left. And now that we're

(36:08):
also talking about LSU is Mikaylae Mikayla fu Wiley who
left South Carolina to go to their arch nemesis LSU.
I can't wait for that game.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Oh my gosh, I.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Cannot wait for that game. Whenever it is, it's probably
some time in freaking March or something. She's currently leading
LSU and scoring. I will say one thing about Kim
is she lets them girls off their leash quick and quickly.
So we were just talking about their non conference schedule

(36:44):
and it's it's horrible. I hate it.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
But Els she looks despite that, LS she looks very impressive.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Flage looks great. Mikayla Williams looks great. Mikayla looks good.
She's coming off the bench though, which was surprising, but
she's leading their leading score are currently.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Did you see their little online beef they had l
s U?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Did you see that? No? Right, it's always happening with
them because they're like the they're like the you know
what we need to do next our next college episode,
which will be once conference play starts. I want to
like categorize like the top teams into like things that

(37:29):
like women can digest. Like we gotta like call it
like you know what I mean, Right, we gotta figure
it out because LSU is something and I usually don't
do this until March, but yeah, we need to do
it because LSU, I mean, they've been those girls for
some time now. So yeah, as we as we stated,

(37:54):
their non conference is boo boo, and they played Charlotte
last week, and you know women's basketball fans do not
play internet detectives. Charlotte. Two players from the Charlotte women's
basketball team posted a TikTok dancing with the words, and
it was like a point of view, LSU's finally playing

(38:17):
some real competition or something like that.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Right, they were dancing. I think they posted two videos.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Right, you know they the internet caught that quickly, clocked
it quickly, and I think LSU beat them by sixty
ended up beating them by like sixty or something. How

(38:43):
did they not know this was going to happen? You
know what I love? You know what I will love.
I love that they weren't duck in smoke. I love
the confidence. But no, no, no, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
I don't know if I love that, because they might
if I were on that team be like, why did
you do that?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Apparently the coach anyway, apparently the coach made them take
it down at like halftime of the game or something deleted.
But like maybe the internet is forever, honey, Like you
should have just halftime of the game. You should you
should have stood ten toes because you know that that
video wasn't going nowhere you got to stay ten toes right,
So yeah, they ended up losing by like fifty and
then LSU. I think they had five or six technical

(39:23):
files throughout the game for like taunting the bench and
the party. So it loved it. And if y'all want
to know, the type of energy that LS you always
come in with is that And that's why I've always
been able to even respect them despite their bad non
conference schedule. Like when the moment comes, they usually ride

(39:46):
more than more times than not, they rise into the
occasion and they backing up, you know, all of the
things that they have and just them being who they are.
So LS she's number five right now. They've probably been
like the most fun team watch in my opinion, even
though like their team, their games have been bad. I

(40:06):
can't think of any other team that I've actually watched
multiple games of. And I will do a better job
at that one conference place starts because I can't watch
some of these games. Also got to show love to Connecticut.
South Carolina always solid, always one two two one one two. Yeah,
Connecticut Connecticut just looks they just always looks just well

(40:29):
oiled machine, so impressive that every year, you know, can
have new players I've got. You have a player like Page,
leave and you come back and you don't look like
you've missed a beat at all. And that's definitely a
credit to coaching, but also the culture that Gino has
built in Connecticut. Speaking of Connecticut, before we leave, I

(40:52):
want to talk about my top players right now in
the Power Five. I won't get into many details why
I don't got to explain up into y'all really, especially
when it comes to this. This is just opinions. Okay,
this is just opinions based on stats. But here I
go explain it stats and what I've seen eye tests,
and then we're gonna talk about a few freshmen that

(41:14):
you guys should keep an eye out on. So, for me,
top five players in college right now the Power five
Talia Scott who plays at Baylor, Sarah Strong and Azy
Fudd who are at Yukon Live McGill who is at Florida,
and Madison bookerhera at Texas. I will say, like, maybe
these won't be the top five. I'll say like, these
are like my favorite five right now, Lexi's faves. I

(41:37):
think Sarah Strong.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Is the best player in college basketball right now.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
She's insane. She's a sophomore's pro ready. Body is pro ready,
her skill set is pro ready. So I'm just really
excited to see her. I think Sarah Strong is the
best player in college basketball. And the fact that Gino
just continues to sophomore pro ready. Body is pro ready,

(42:01):
her skill set is pro ready. So I'm just really
excited to see her growth. And the fact that Gino
just continues to collect these gems. Even though people swear you, uh,
Yukon uh, whatever it is, supremacy is dead. It is
not absolutely is not dead. It never will be right

(42:23):
after they want, never will be never will be dead
like they thought. And I always gonna kill me, do
you know what you got? And he's risen above it,
like come on now.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
If anything, it's helped him because those girls make money too.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
So that Yukon brand is strong, that culture is straining. Yeah,
I have honorable mentions MICHAELA. Blake, Hannah Hildago, Attie Crooks,
Joyce Edwards, and flaw Je. So those are like my
ten faives that I'm keeping a close eye on uh
this season because well, I love scoring two I also

(42:59):
love defense, but then I just love well rounded players.
That's something that I really like to see, especially in
a college game where you really have to do a
little bit of everything to be noticed a little bit.
So I think those ten players are doing a really
good job of helping their teams win, but also showing
who they are on and off the court. So those

(43:21):
are my faves. I don't know if you have any faves, Marian.
I know you don't. You're not as tapped into college
basketball as No, not.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yet, like it's still too earn right, you feel me.
But I will say I could have told you. I
could have told you that Sarah Strong was going to
be like this after last Yeah, so this was to
be expected.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
I'm really excited for her. If we're talking about probably
the two most pro ready players right now, it's Sarah
Strong and Madison Booker. Like Madison Booker she's at Texas.
If y'all don't know, like, she's so much fun to
watch and they kind of remind me of each other
their style of play and the way they play. I

(44:02):
would like to see a Sarah Sean Madison Booker matchup
this year. I would love that committee make it happen
because I know y'all could do that. And yeah, some
of the freshmen that I've been clocking a little bit,
Jazzy Davidson alias Chavez Blanca Queenez. I think that's how

(44:23):
you put out your name. Aliah Crump and Lena Girardi.
Those are some diaper dandies. We don't really use that
in women's college, and I think we should. Those are
some freshmen that are hooping right now on really good teams.
And yeah, I'm excited for them for just you know,
we're seeing the little caterpillars right now and see what

(44:46):
they blossom and grow into. Who knows they might change
the age and the new CBA. Who knows they might
do that. We might see some of them in the
w very very soon. I doubt that, but God would
not shock me. But but that's nothing that. Let me stop.
We haven't even talked about that in our meetings. Let
me stop lying to the people. That has not even

(45:08):
come up in a single meeting, doesn't come up one
time in a meeting, is lowering the age. So let
me let me shut up, bigger fish, no facts. Okay,
I know this episode was a little bit all over
the place, guys, but there's there are a lot of
good things happening in women's college basketball, and I'm excited
for us to cover it in the new year. When

(45:29):
we get, you know, a little bit more competitive matchups,
we get to see how everything starts to shake out. So, yeah,
anything else you want to add, Mariah, listen.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I hope for your sake, doo Gee can get back
in the We'll be back.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Okay. We were one we were one shot away from
the final four last year. Guys.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Was it the final four when they lost to South Carolina?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Yeah? Right, because we were like, we're so no is
the lead day game? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Because we were all making fun of you for having
them in your.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Final Yeah, sure word? And I was almost I was
one three pointer away from being right all right? Canon,
well Cannon saying, get off this right.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
So, thank you for tuning in to another episode of
Full Circle. Make sure to subscribe, watch us on video,
show us some love on social and thank you so
much for tuning in again.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Thanks thanks for listening to Full Circle.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
We'll be back next week with more basketball for the
girls by the girls.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
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