Hoops, Hopes, and March Madness Predictions with Elizabeth Williams

On this episode of Full Circle, Lexie Brown and Mariah Rose are joined by Duke legend and Chicago Sky star, Elizabeth Williams! Elizabeth talks about her activism in 2020, and the trio discusses how women in the WNBA are leading the way on social issues. They dive into the growth of women’s basketball, the impact of NIL, and the importance of fan engagement. Plus, Elizabeth gives us the lowdown on the United College Athletes Association and its mission to amplify and protect college athletes. And of course, don’t miss Lexie, Mariah and Elizabeth’s hot takes on who’s going all the way in the Final Four! Tune in next week to hear more basketball by the girls, for the girls.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Full Circle is an Iheartwoman's sports production in partnership with
Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, y'all,
welcome back to another episode of Full Circle. I'm so
excited because today me and Lexi have a guest.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yes, hello, everybody from Austin, Texas. I am in Austin
right now, so I'm really excited about our guests. I
always say this about our guests, like that they don't
need an introduction, but I'm going to give them the
one that they deserve every time. So with us today,
we have a duke legend, three time All American, four

(00:40):
time ACC Defensive Player of the Year, four time first
team All ACC National Freshman of the Year, ACC Rookie
of the Year, Elizabeth Williams. Let's clap it up, everybody,
let's clap it Welcome and currently playing for the Chicago
Sky So welcome. How are you this morning?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Thank you, thank you. I had a clap for myself
that intro.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
We all got a cloud.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I'm good though. I live in DC in the off
season when I'm not overseas, so I'm just at home. Chilling.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
It's chilling.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I think we're going to start this episode off with
giving Duke women's basketball their flowers. They just won the
ACES championship, so really excited about that. You were there,
so give us a little rundown of what the weekend was, Like, Yeah,
I was there.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I was planning on being in North Carolina this weekend
to see my friend and so Friday came down to
the game and I watched and we won, and I
was like, I told our Dobo was like, okay, if
they went tomorrow because I already had plans for Saturday.
It's like, they went on Saturday, I'm coming on Sunday.
And so I was watching the game and then they won.
I texted her. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm locked
in come to the game. So come Sunday. Like there

(01:53):
are a lot of state fans in there actually, obviously
when it's an in state rivalry for an ACC title,
like you're going to see the Red and the Blue.
But there are a lot of statements in there, and
it was a pretty slow start for Duke, but they
just always.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Kept They do that a lot. They stressed me out
in times.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
They definitely yeah, but it's like cat time, Like, yes, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, that's like a care thing. I feel like I
feel like they like lull you to sleep and then
they like punch you in the mouth, and I feel
like that's how Kara has been coaching them, and they've
been really fun to watch and seeing like the re
emergence of Duke. You were there right before I got there,
and you know, we had a lot of success and
then they had a little bit of some down years.

(02:37):
So it's really nice to see Kara, you know, turn
the program back around. Have you been able to have
any conversations with Carr or anything.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, Yeah, we've talked a little bit. I try to
make it to some games, whether like you know, they
played Maryland so I drove up here, or I try
to get down to Durham. But either way, You've talked
to care a little bit and just what she's trying
to build with these players. She started at a tough time,
like the COVID years, so she really had to go
like starting with some players and going into the portal

(03:04):
kind of being creative and how she recruited, but ultimately
she's just trying to get them to all buy in
and I think them winning yesterday was just them being
completely bought into what She's built and just locked into
each other for sure.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
How are you both feeling about the ceiling this year
for this team? How far do you think they're going
to go?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, they asked me, who's going to win the championship?
I said, Duke and I've met, period, I've meant it.
I see a Final Four run for them, depending on
their seating and who they match up with. I think
the way they defend, they can be any team in
the country.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
So I'd say.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
National championship is their ceiling. I'm like, very excited for them, period.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean, there's so much parody this year, and you're
seeing so many teams like beat team lose to other teams,
and this is the type of women's basketball that we
want to see. And so their ability to start defensively
from the point guard position all the way to their
post in defending, that's so important. So I'm excited for
the term.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
And that's a major standup from a Defensive Player of
the Year award winner. So how do you see like
the college game from like a defensive perspective, how much
it's changed because you're a notoriously known for like being
a shot blocker, and I feel like this Duke team
they don't have a ton of like rint protection, but
they have like a lot of like on ball switching,

(04:29):
like just a lot of two way players. So do
you think that's like a kar thing or do you
think that's like just how the game is changing from
like your perspective, I mean probably a.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Little bit of both. I do think at the guard position,
like when you have people like Reagan and Ashley that
can guard multiple positions and use their length, that's really
helpful for them. But at the same time, like if
they get beat like Toby's in there, the ladies in there, like,
there's still gonna be people that are rent protectors and
shop blockers. Ultimately, there are such dynamic guards and such

(05:02):
skilled guards in the college game. You have to have
guards that can defend, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Right, Yeah, have you seen that like transfer over to
the W because you bree BG, like there's not very
many like traditional centers in the W anymore. And the
way that you guys have been able to just stay
in the league and stay very important key pieces of
these teams. I asked Charles, like how do you like
like the way your game is and the game is changing,

(05:28):
Like how have you been able to stay like as
one of the top players and then becoming one of
the top free agents. And she was just like, I
just come in and do what they need me to do,
but I don't change my game. Do you have that
same type of mentality or if you had to make
any adjustments, do you.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Think it's similar. I think when coaches know what they're
going to get from players, it's very helpful. You don't
want unpredictability when you're trying to create a team. So
whenever you have people that you know what you're going
to get is helpful. But at the same time, I mean,
I'm going to be shooting more threes. Like the game,
you gotta spread up, you gotta spread thefl you got
to keep people honest defensively, so in that sense, like

(06:04):
not going to be afraid to step out a little more.
But at the same time, like sometimes you want an
easy bucket, like you know, Bree Jones, she gets a
seal that's two points. Yeah, so I still want to
have As much as we talk about threes are greater
than two, you still want to have high percentage shots
in the paint and that brings a lot of value
to teams.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, since, like your transition from college into the W
what else do you guys feel like have been like
the major changes as far as how the game itself
has changed.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
I would say one thing that's really evident is the
value of your four players. Like you're seeing the value
of the fees and the stewies and having a second
facilitator in addition to your point guard. I think that's
a really big change from having like you're kind of
four or five right, like as like your power too
in the low pos where it's like the four is
really just an extra facilitator. Now, I think that's one

(06:52):
of the biggest differences.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, I absolutely agree with that, And we can tie
this into your time at Athletes Unlimited because as going
into Championship week, I was talking with Crystal Bradford, who
was a captain, and I say, Crystal, if you want
to be able to accumulate the most points, you need
to draft yourself or draft your team and put you

(07:15):
at the four because for some reason, like you said,
that position has just become like the pinnacle, elite of
elite positions. As far as size, IQ scoring ability, and
then like you get a lot of mismatches. So for me,
I'm like mad because I wish I was a little
taller because I used to want to be like a

(07:39):
big point guard. But now I'm like, if I could
have just been like a little undersized four, like I
would be cooking, like it would be so much fun.
So I think that, yeah, I agree with you. That
four position. I think it's probably the most elite position
in college in the W right now, and it's been
really fun to see and I think, yeah, teams like
go as their four player goes now whether they're scoring

(08:01):
four a facilitating for a defensive four, like if that
position is weak, like you're gonna have some problems, I
feel like, which I think is a good thing because
post players y'all need love too.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
And the game is changing.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
So the folks were like, we're gonna step out. We're
just gonna shoot threes just like y'all. We're gonna be
better because we're bigger than y'all.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
So now what, Lexie, I've never asked this before. This
is so random, but were you like for me, because
for example, I'm five to seven, but i've been five
to seven since like eighth grade, So you know, I
thought I was gonna be tall. Were you always this
height or was there a point where you were taller
than everybody else and had to adjust your position?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
No, I actually grew a little bit in college. I
think I stretched out a little bit in college. So
I was a point guard like my entire life because
I was always small and I was a little chubby
growing up and I wasn't very fast. So my dad
I was like, you're gonna be the point guard and
you're gonna shoot threes and we're gonna see what happens
from there. Actually, like when I got to Duke, I

(09:06):
think I like stretched out a little bit and they're like, oh,
you a little too big, so you're gonna go to
the two. And then even in AU this year, I
was playing a little bit of three. But I go
next to guards like Alicia Clark's then Natasha Clouds, and
they like they playing the post a lot, and I
don't like that.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
That's just not my game. I don't like a lot
of contact.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
But like we're like all the same size essentially, so
everyone calls them big guards, and then I never get
called that, so I don't know what I need to
do to get in the big guard conversation. If it's
posting up, then I just simply won't be a big guard.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
But I'd say, I guess being a big guard isn't
about being actually big.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Just know, it's just it's about the way you play.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
And people tell me I play like a fairy princess sometimes,
so I'm like, Okay, I guess I was like your
time at Duke, like playing going to school. I know
you're like one of the smartest people I know, So

(10:10):
what was that like?

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, it was a lot of work. Probably deprived myself
from sleep more than I should have because I was
a psych major, but I was taking pre med classes
my first three years, so I was doing the most.
Besides that, I actually I had a pretty good experience.
I mean, I do think we underperformed on the court,
especially my sophomore year, the year that we won the

(10:35):
AEC tournament, like that was the year that we were
like supposed to kill it. I think we had only
lost a couple of regular season games. Yeah, I felt
like we underperformed, But overall, I thought that I had
a good experience at Duke and my classmates are still
my friends for life. That's so valuable to me. And
I think sometimes like predominantly white institutions get a bad

(10:58):
rep but ultimately I do think we made it work,
like the black community and black life at Duke, and
I think that also added value to my Duke experience.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
The amount of people who were like, are there any
black people there?

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yes, there are that are not?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
There are actually quite a few black students at Duke. Yeah,
and they're like very cool people. I agree with you,
like I had a really good time at Duke Duke
for life. When you tell people that you go to Duke,
what is there a reaction? Because for me, it's either
being super impressed or like completely disgusted that she went
to Duke.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
So what response do you typically get?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, I get more of the impressed. But yeah, sometimes
if I'm in a place that's not North Carolina, they're like.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Duke, yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
They just hate for really.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Crazy, like just discussed immediately, and I'm like where did
you go to school? And they're like Texas or Stanford.
I'm like, okay, Like you didn't go to unc Vency, Stay,
you shouldn't be disgusted at all.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, I feel like it's like a cool thing.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
It's a thing. Hey dude, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, but I think that there's so much value what
you said a little bit about the misconception about going
to a PWI. It's like, there are there black people there,
and it's like, yeah, it's kind of reminiscent of America
and of the world the workforce, Like I have to
fund black friends and a black community and create that
where I'm at. So I'm honestly glad to have had
that because I went to a private school for high school,

(12:31):
but there was still a lot of us there, and
so when I got to college, it is a little
bit of a culture shock. But you got to find
your people, like it just happens like that. And then
it's a valuable skill because when you get out too
the world and you're dealing little white people elsewhere, you're like, Okay,
I've had these experiences in school.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
You have to know how to operate in those spaces.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
And then you also have to, like like you said,
find your people in those spaces, which that's not easy
for people to do all the time. Even me being
here at this iHeart south By, South Wes. Like I've
been the only black woman in a lot of these events.
Most of the time, there might be like my best friend,
I bring her with me because I had I had
a feeling that maybe I would be like, are the

(13:11):
only black people here in Austin. So I was like,
You're coming with me to every event? And I'm so
thankful because she is like networking queen. She can talk
to anybody. So I'm glad that I have her with
me in these spaces because it is sometimes a little
overwhelming and it does make you like a little nervous
to like approach people and talk to them and stuff

(13:31):
like that. And Eliza was like, explain your experience as
a pro athlete, like existing in these spaces and having
these conversations, like what do you do to like maybe
get over that anxiety or be able to put your
best foot forward because we as black women, we have
no choice but to do that all the time.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, I mean, I think I've grown a lot in
that space. I think about when I first got the
league and I didn't even want to be a player
rep and then I think about the twenty twenty season
or like getting senator or not to be like Georgia
senator so I think it's just been like a gradual
progression and feeling more comfortable and talking to people and

(14:11):
speaking up in trusting like what my core values are
and how I can express that in whatever work I
want to do. And so I think when people see
you being your authentic self, that kind of allows you
to feel comfortable doing anything. So whether it's working with
the union, whether it's advocating, whether it's the health space.
Like for me, it's just kind of come with time.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, listen, being in Georgia my whole life. That Senator
Warnock thing incredible. Also, I feel like the WNBA as
a whole has been very much at the forefront when
it comes to athlete activism just generally, and that's something
that I feel like fans and media are really perplexed
by when it's interesting to me that, Okay, this league

(14:56):
is predominantly black women. This is like the the most
marginalized basically we could get and it's like we don't
really really have the choice to sit back and let
these things pass us by, Like we have to get involved.
How do you guys feel like that activism aspect or
when things were happening politically, Because I feel like in
a lot of other leagues, they kind of choose whether

(15:18):
to Oh, no, I'm like off that, But I feel
like I don't see a lot of WNBA players doing that.
I feel like a lot of WNBA players are very
vocal about how they feel about those things.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
So that bubble season was crazy. I was still a
very young player in the w so I was just
like looking around, like just testing the tempt like I
didn't really know what to do. Even with the CBA negotiations,
I was like, I knew what was going on, but
like I again, I was in my third season, so

(15:50):
I didn't really know what any of y'all was talking about.
But I just knew that things were going to get better.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
I knew that.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
And then COVID happened, and then the bubble happened. And
what y'all did in that season from like the player
re perspective and the players association, like how y'all made
that situation bearable and livable even though a lot of
us when we look back on it, we were like, how.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
The hell did we survive that in the bubble?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
But like what you guys did as leadership, Like I
don't think I think at the time, it was getting
talked about because everything else was getting talked about.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
But I think looking.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Back, like what y'all did for the activism part, for
the player advocacy part was so impressive and it's what
led me to wanting to be in player leadership honestly
because I didn't I wasn't really interested in it either.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Also, while having to perform on the court.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, I was like, I don't know if I can
handle all of this responsibility, but like you guys did
it so gracefully and I like immediately was like, oh,
I want to be in this group. I like this group,
Like this is what I want to do. So walk
us through a little bit like even of what that
whole process was like, because I've never even asked any
of y'all like what it was like outside of and is.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Like talking about it anymore. So it's nice.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
It would be nice to hear like someone else's perspective
on it.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
I appreciate the kudos because it was a lot of work.
It was endless calls trying to figure out if we
could even pull it off. Yeah, just the logistics side, man,
I mean, it was a lot of work. If I
think back to even just having the conversations because this
really started with Atlanta, right, It started with Kelly when

(17:35):
we said, Okay, we're going to dedicate the season black
Lives Matter. Kelly was like, oh no, Like, first of all,
you could have honestly said nothing, right, You didn't have
to say a word really, so the fact that you
actively spoke is very meaningful. So for us, we're like, well,
this is our owner, Like, are we going to do something?

(17:56):
Say something? So initially all of the players, coaches, staff
had a zoom call and I'm just like because the
coaches were like, hey, obviously this is a big deal,
Like I want you all to feel comfortable as employees
of Theolanda Dream. If there's something that you want to do,
we support you, which I really appreciated by the staff
because they really didn't have to do that. And so initially,

(18:18):
like players were like, all right, let's just put out
a statement. You know, doubling down on Black Lives Matter
is just about humanity. It's not like us trying to
divide people and be divisive. I think other people turn
it into that, but it was ultimately like there's a
group of people that are being treated as others and
treated as less than so we stand by that, and

(18:41):
so then moving forward, we're like, we still want to
have some sort of action to go along with this,
And so that's when the conversation started about like you
can't just kick her out of ownership, like that's not
how sports works. But she's in the Senate seat. She
wasn't elected into the seat, like she just got it,
like literally the definition of privilege. Yeah, like failing upwards.

(19:02):
And so that's when we talked to the EC and
Sue and Meca and Terry and at the time, Stacy
Abrams was on our board of advocates and so she's like, well,
there's this guy's name is Raphael Warnock. He's a pastor
at mlk's old church, like big community leader. Maybe you
guys should talk to him. So we have a conversation

(19:23):
with him a zoom call where like anybody can get
on this call, talk to this guy, see what he's about.
And ultimately we felt like this is someone that gets it.
And again it's an electioneer. Can't do anything about Kelly
being our owner, but we can get people to vote.
We always talk about voting anyway, So what better way
to put a face to the word vote and what

(19:44):
we want to do and fast forward, talk through it,
get a support, get player support, talk about like how
do we get this out, get the shirts, and then
agreed that when we had our next national TV game,
people walk in with the shirts. So that's how the
warnoxhire started. And yeah, then all of a sudden, people are.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Like Google were crazy crazy from the inside.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
I was like, yeah, what the dream got going on?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (20:15):
What are they doing? This is amazing in Atlanta, it's crazy.
That was so iconic and I have never seen anything
like that, not just in it obviously I'm from here,
but in sports ownership, in sports period, like like that
is so crazy, like the power. And I think an
underestimated factor about that whole situation is I didn't notice

(20:40):
this might have been happening. But you know those photos
where a team is like all kneeling during the national
anthem and one person or like three people aren't kneeling,
and it's like bruh, Like I feel like with that
kind of situation, y'all had to buy it. Everybody had
to be on the same page.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
If like more than half of the team.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Was like, oh yo, I'm scared, like I'm not doing
that it wouldn't worked.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, yeah, we were locked in. I also think, look,
our league probably the most educated sports league out there, right,
Like we're not just talking and doing these things without
any awareness of the world. So I mean, I think
we went in pretty strategically and it showed in how
everything played out.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I might sound dumb as hell, but I have never
thought about it like that before.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Y'all really are We are league full of college college
like grad school. You know, all these fits six year
girls are racking up degrees. We got multiple players with
multiple degrees from prestigious universities, like I try to remind
people all the time. Yeah, like I went to do
but my teammate went to Stanford. My teammates went to Stanford. Like,

(21:48):
we all are very highly intelligent, very self aware players. Yes,
And the fact that we were able to unify the
way that we did for that entire season, even though
it was so hard. I remember, it was the dream game,
wasn't it. When we decided to not play.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Always us it was always yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Because I remember I don't know if you remember when
that situation, and it was in Milwaukee, correct, yea, in
Wisconsin and the NBA team did their thing, mind you.
I think the frustrating part about it was like they
didn't send out any communication to us. We're about to
do this, y'all can do it with us, y'all cannot

(22:33):
do it with us. Like we turned the TV on
and they're not playing. Atlanta and DC are already at
the gym warming up, figuring out, Okay, well what are.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
We going to play?

Speaker 2 (22:44):
I think we had the next game, So now we're
pulling up to start getting ready for our game. We
walk in the Mystics and the dream are on the
court having a little kumbaya. Are we gonna sit or
not gonna? Like the decision was literally made right before
the game started. That's just a testament to how powerful
this group is, how locked and we all were during

(23:06):
that twenty twenty season. And again I was just a baby.
I was like, this is an amazing group of women,
this is an amazing league. And you said like you
didn't even want to be in player leadership at the beginning.
What ultimately drew you into wanting to be a part
of player leadership?

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, some of it was like other teammates encouraging me,
and then Terry when she became the executive director because
my rookie year she wasn't the executive director. So she
got that job my second year and I was pretty
involved as like even an alternate player rep. And she said,
have you ever thought about getting into player leadership like
the EC? And I was like, oh, I'm so young,

(23:44):
then I'm just a baby. She's like, no, Like, we
need young players that are engaged. You need a variety
of players on the EC. You don't need all superstars.
You want people that you know have been all stars.
You want people that have been in the middle. You
want young players like you want that mix, but ultimately
want people that are engaged. And I know myself I'm
a little nerd, so I'm gonna be engaged, like I'll

(24:05):
read the seria. I'm that kind of person. Yeah, And
so that's really how it started, just like her encouraging
me and other teammates knowing that they would trust me
to do it. And then as I've done it more,
I've just gotten more into it. I'm like learning about
what unions do and their impact and yeah, just being
a voice for the players on and off the court.

(24:26):
As much as we talk about salary, like it's one
thing to have salary if you're housing a shitty right,
There's a lot of things that go into having a league,
sustaining a league, and so I liked that.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, we had Terry on a few weeks ago and
she was amazing and she's very persistent. So I know,
like when she asked me to be on the leadership
I'm like, I'm good. And she probably blew your phone
up because she did the same thing to me when
I became a player rep. And then I don't know
how much we can talk about the meeting that we
had in Nashville, but far less listeners. We had a

(25:01):
little CBA Players Association powow while we were at Athletes Unlimited,
and it was only supposed to.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Be an hour.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
It ended up being well over two hours of us
just chopping it up about the CBA from a leadership perspective,
Like what did that conversation in person mean to you?
Because I feel like having us all there together was
very meaningful.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, it's super meaningful. Obviously you can't go into the
details right because we're in the middle of negotiation, but
I will say that it's always nice to hear player
voices that you don't always hear case calls are usually
the player leadership that's been voted in by other players.
But it's nice when you get a bigger group of
people to talk about things that are more unique to them,

(25:44):
more specific to them, even just like personal stories that
you might not have known, and also put things into perspective.
Like I think a lot of times players said, oh,
this is something that is important to me, but hearing
the why behind it and hearing different stories and testimonies
and situations that have happened puts in perspective. And so
I think sometimes we need that refresher from a leadership standpoint,

(26:05):
and I think the staff appreciated it, and I know
moving forward, our advisories are going to take everything in
and like continue to fight for us for sure.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
I have a spicy question, ladies. Oh there we go.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
So I'm currently, as I am weekly, getting torn up
on the internet because I made a TikTok about Okay,
So the list of the one hundred highest paid athletes
in the world came out. There wasn't a single woman
on the list, which really enraged me. Wow, and not
one woman on the list, and the closest was Coco Goff.

(26:37):
Obviously the highest Fay female athlete, and she was seven
million dollars off from Daniel Jones, the New York Giants
quarterback who famously didn't even finish the season. So what
I learned reading about it is that for a male athlete,
seventy seven percent of the money they make just generally
comes from their salary from their actual sport, whereas for women,

(26:59):
the majority of our money comes from endorsements, social media commercials.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
That kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
So whatever, I made a video about this. I didn't
even like really get that mad at the video. I
was just explaining this because I thought that was interesting,
and I think it's important for people to know, like, hey,
we can all like talk about we want women and
athletes to get paid more, and we want this and
we want that, but like we need to be tuned
into the games and promoting and whatever. So I make
this video and all of my comments are men.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Of course, I got on.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
The wrong side to TikTok y'all, and they're basically saying
to me, well, the issue is women, Like women aren't watching.
It's women, Like it's y'all's fault. So I just wanted
to pose this to you guys about what are we
going to do to get y'all on that list?

Speaker 4 (27:43):
What are we going to do?

Speaker 1 (27:44):
What needs to happen from a fan perspective, from a
media perspective, like what can we do? Because I mean,
not just in a basketball sense, but obviously tennis is
like the highest paid women's sport right now, and it's
like none of them are on Simone bileses on.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
The Lisard, I'm like, they have like equal prize money money. Yes, yeah,
so I think that's just I mean, it's amazing, which
is interesting, but it's like they made like that LANDMARKT decision.
As annoying as men can be at times, sometimes they
are correct and I do agree with them.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
With women.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
We need to have more women fans, We need to
have more women engaged with the sport. But it's a
hard thing because like women, yes they love sports, but
they're not like the men with their sports.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
That's just the reality of life.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
So I feel like for us being more digestible quote
unquote to women, I feel like that's been happening the
last few years. And I talked about it yesterday with
some of these partners that I was talking with. I
am trying very hard to capture more women as fans
as supporters. But women are very intelligence shoppers. They know

(28:52):
exactly what they want. You can't fool them, you can't
lie to them like they're going to see right through it.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
They're very intentional with what they do.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
So I feel like for us, yes, I do think
that we need more of the curly pops to become
w fans, and I think that's been happening.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
But if you would disagree with me, Elizabeth, let.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Me know, because I've been feeling like that for some
time now.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
I cautiously agree. I do think that you have to
look historically at the investment in sports. You have to
look at the fact that stadiums and arenas are subsidized
by tax dollars. Right, the guys are already starting an
advantage in that sense. So we're pulling and pulling to
figure out where to play, figure out where to practice.

(29:35):
We are already behind. And so that's also why part
of the whole sparity in salary and investment and all that.
But yes, I do agree that you could have some
more female viewership. I do think that there has to
be people have to feel connected to whatever they're into,
like NBA has been around so long, Like people's parents

(29:58):
and grandparents and great grandparents. Oh yeah, my great grandpa
was a Celtics fan and he remembers this and that. Right,
So some of it is just historically we are not
where these other leagues are. But now I think there's
an understanding. If you look at even college basketball, like
the pace of viewership is higher, is increasing higher than

(30:19):
for women than for men. So like there are signs
that these things will change, but ultimately it starts with
people watching the games feeling like they can connect to
players in different ways.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Already, I always tell people, if you come to WNBA game,
You're gonna have a time.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
You're gonna have a blast. Yeah, because I don't really like.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Going to NBA games that much in person. I love
watching them on TV, but when I go to the
arena and watch NBA game, I'm like, eh, I'm not
really having a great time right now. But when I
go to WNBA games, like when I went to the
Finals in New York to two finals ago when they
play Vegas, I had a blast and I'm a competitor
and I was like having so much fun at that game.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
So I tell people all the time.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Just come check it out come vibe like, Yeah, I
don't care if you like women's basketball you don't like, like,
I don't care. Just come and be in a fun
environment and watch amazing women play basketball. And I promise,
like you will not have bad things to say, Like
I say that to everybody all the time.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
I think that.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Also, obviously my whole thing is like teaching sports to
women like this what you guys are talking about is
literally my life school. But I think that part of
it is coming from a sports background, Like I was
put in sports immediately, like as soon as I could walk,
I was put in sports. And I think that also
that has to do with an access thing, like sports
aren't as accessible for young girls as they are for

(31:41):
young boys. Like I did It's her Shot Tour with
Nike where we went to like different cities and like
basically put on a basketball camp, and a lot of
the parents were talking about the lack of access for
safe spaces for girls to play sports, or the amount
of like dangerous situations that young girls get put in,
like when they're put into sports at a young age
with like coach is that aren't like properly vetted or

(32:01):
just situations like that, And I think that part of
it is it's not that women aren't as interested in sports.
I always say this, it's that because like what you
were saying, Elizabeth, men have a head start when it
comes to sports conversation, and so ESPN is geared towards men.
Their target audience as men, and so like most when
women are looking around at sports, like the target audience

(32:23):
isn't them, and so like Lexi you were saying, they're
intelligent consumers, they're like, Okay, this isn't for me by
Whereas I'm sure with both of you and myself as well,
Like I was a volleyball player and I was watching
college volleyball when I was like in eighth grade because
that's what I could watch to see the best people
at what I was doing. Whereas y'all were probably watching
the W way younger, way before people it was cool

(32:45):
or everybody was talking about it because that's what you
want to do.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
That was your dream.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
And so I think the more little girls that we
give that dream to of like playing sports and showing
them like, hey, you can do this too, the more
young tennis players are going to watch Cocoa golf, the
more young basketball players are going to I feel like
we need to start younger basically with the way we're marketing,
because those are the most loyal fans. Like, there's a
reason Justin Bieber is so rich.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Those are the fans you want.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
You want the kiddos, you want the kids, Yeah, you
want the little kids. But I said that, I think
one of the best things that's happened for us are
these off season leagues that have kept a lot of
us stateside invisible. You know, a lot of people like
had no idea that like we all were like friends
and love each other and all these kind of stuff,

(33:30):
And it's like the conversation that's been surrounding, you know,
seeing players interacting with each other in the off season.
I'm like, did y'all really think that we just had
a league full of women that like absolutely despised each
other and just figured it out for four months and
then we're like, all right, we're going to go back
to just hating each other for the rest of the year.
So I think now more young girls, college, elementary, et cetera,

(33:54):
are seeing like us off the court more as well,
because I feel like that's also important. There's it's also
been like a stigma of just the lifestyle that we
live is like not glamorous, it's not fun.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
I mean there was a time where that was very
much true.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
It was tough WNBA player, But now, like I think
that's changing. Like a lot of us live like some
very amazing, interesting, beautiful, glamorous lives, and I feel like
it's nice that's not being put on the forefront and display.
Now I think we're going to capture some more like
younger girls that want to aspire to be like us,
like on and off the court, because the visibility is

(34:28):
somewhere where it has never been before.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Oh yeah, a thousand percent. I see it every day
because Angel is my teammate. Right, So see somebody that
brings in a wave of people that probably would have
never even watched sports, let alone basketball, to just come
to the games and support. And then they're like, oh wait,
I kind of like this player, you know, like maybe
I'll just followed this person. Right, So, like we're seeing

(34:50):
how people with off court brands can turn that into
maximizing who they are on the court and the sport itself.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
So it's yeah, cool fits everybody, it does.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
So what I'm saying I said, more eyes, Like they're
not just watching one player, they got to watch all
of us. But I've seen like so many new fans
this past year just because just simply because there were
new eyes on the sport and they're like, oh, I
love this player, but I kind of like this player
over here.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
I kind of like this player over there.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
So it's been like really cool to see a lot
of like players get their flowers and get the everything
that they deserve because they're super talented. They just no
one was checking for us, but everybody check it for us. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I do find it amazing how creating and off the
court brand is like so important now, and I think
a lot of people forget that y'all have and on
the court life as well, where it's like okay, yeah,
we're doing amazing things and activism and whatever, but it's
like at the same time, I still got to go
out in the court and be a beast.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
I will have a spot.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
So it's amazing how when female athletes haven't about like
seven percent of your salary coming from endorsements and off
the court, off the field, whatever, Yeah, like things is
like imagine how much time that y'all. I mean Lexi.
You see this all the time, even doing this or
having to put into these other avenues to you know,

(36:15):
get yourself out there.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
It's it's really improcess.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
It takes a lot of planning, a lot of patience.
You give yourself a lot of grace. But sometimes I
do wake up and I'm like, dang, I wish I
could just hoop and go home and make enough money
to live a beautiful life. But what I'm able to
do now, like it is a blessing.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I love all the other stuff that I'm able to do,
but those thoughts do creep in from time to time,
Like dang, there's like ninety percent of the NBA that
literally they just play basketball and they don't do anything else,
and they're making millions, saying, and.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
They make enough money. This is the underrated part of that.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
They make enough money that they have people that are
doing all that off the court stuff for there.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
For them, So they're also making that extra money by
not doing it themselves. Like a lot of the stuff
that we do we're doing ourselves. We're having these meetings,
we're meeting with the photographers and the videographers because everything we.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Do just gets nitpicked.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Like you can put out some content, a video, a picture,
and if you don't look on point, you know someone's
gonna say something about it. There's just so many things
that men just they probably just don't even think of.
That's not a shot at them, like by any means,
Like it's just it's just the reality of being a
woman in sports in general, Like you just got to
be on your p's and q's all the time, even

(37:36):
with you Mariah, Like I was talking with one of
my friends who's in media, like we are not allowed
to say anything, like just we can't just say whatever
we want to say, like the way that they sometimes
talk on ESPN, and they just are like I heard
that blah blah blah blah blah, and it could be
the most outrageous thing you've ever heard, but they're allowed
to just say that. And could you imagine if Sanay

(37:57):
like went on first take was like, well, I heard
blah blah blah and then it turns out to be false. Yeah, oh,
I have a question about I saw this on social media,
and this actually is what stemmed my idea to bring

(38:20):
you on as a guest immediately, because I had no
idea what this was the United College Athletes Association. So
I saw the post about it and I was like,
what is this? And then I saw that you were
the one who posted it, and I'm like, of.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Course Elizabeth is involved in this.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
So now we got to bring around the show because
we need to ask her about it. So to our listeners,
please explain what this is, what y'all's mission is all
of the things.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Please.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, So UCAA is essentially in the future, we would
hope that college athletes can unionize in this era of
nil and revenue share and all of this. As these
conferences are realigning, there's really no structure that gives players

(39:09):
a legitimate voice talking to the conferences. So you see,
it is a nonprofit that it is just like basically
an organization where players can represent their teams and then
communicate with the conferences. So the goal is eventually like
all the players signing union cards, going to the NLRB
and saying, okay, reunionized. This is our voice and we

(39:32):
represent the players and we'll speak on behalf of the players.
Because there's a whole list of things. Yeah, So the
biggest things is like athletes lacking basic protections. There's really
nothing that says like between safety compensation like pushing through
medical things and I benefits only going to like the

(39:55):
top one percent and then other people living SIPE in
the sipend. There's nothing that kind of equalizes the playing field.
So just giving players a voice to talk to the
conferences about that I was I was saying before. The
viewership for women's basketball is continuing to increase, but there's
really no way for revenue to be shared with the

(40:15):
athletes right now, like you really just make money off
your name, image and likeness. So being able to talk
to their conferences and communicate with them about what that
could look like, and ultimately just ensuring protection, representation and
equitable compensation for athletes. So you just have an independent
representation structure kind of like how we have our union

(40:36):
with player reps and an EC and then they're able
to advocate. So right now, college athletics, like you have SAC,
the Student Athlete Advisory Committee, but that's run by the NCUBA,
and as we know, the NCUBA is like going through
lawsuits right now because they don't protect their players. And
so the UCAA is just like an independent structure built
by the players to be a voice to the conferences

(40:59):
and like fight for these things. So it started. Kayleb
Pivitch went to Oregon State. So she reached out to
me and was like, hey, you know, I've been talking
to these players across multiple conferences across the country of
like how can we feel protected. Obviously, unionizing is like
the way legally you could be protected. If you say,
like we're a union, then the law protects you. We're

(41:21):
not quite there yet, and so if you function as
a nonprofit you can still raise money but essentially still
be organized and communicate with the conferences. So players from
the SEC and the Big Ten sent letters out to
the commissioners of both of those conferences saying like, we're
going to form this structure representatives and leadership, and both

(41:42):
of the conferences responded and said, oh, we we love
to hear player voices. But one of them, I think
the SEC said you can talk to your coaches. I'm like, okay,
the coaches are the reason they don't feel comfortable in
the first place. But exactly they said like, oh, we
already have sack you already have you know your athletic departments,
you can go to them you feel uncomfortable. But like
those are literally the groups that players don't feel as

(42:03):
comfortable talking to, right, So yeah, so that's why this
was created, just as an organizational structure for players to
have reps from their team represent them, go to the conversation,
say these are our ones to ask needs and eventually
hopefully players can unionize and feel protected by the law.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
So if you unionized, are you no longer like an amateur?
Like we're because I feel like now lines are getting blurred.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah. I think the latest from the Supreme Court says
that student athletes are employees.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I know, like you can't tell the future. And they're like,
this is also layered. Would you ever imagine like colleges
or universities or even the NCAA starting to like leverage
your academic like players academic scholarships. Like I feel like,
ultimately the point of going to college is to get
an education, and I feel like that part of being
a student athlete has been completely lost for them. Most

(43:00):
part my fear about all this stuff is that now
people are going to start playing with people's education, and
like you said, the most of the money is going
to the top one percent, and I feel like a
lot of people don't understand how many athletes have not
reaped any type of benefit at all from NIO as
amazing as it has been for a handful of players

(43:22):
or a lot of like football teams and basketball teams,
there's a lot of college athletes that have not earned
a dollar.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
My sister was one of them.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Like she was at William and Mary, and she got
a little money here and there, but like for the
most part, and I all did not really impact her
life like that. So do you foresee you know, NT
double A or academic institutions becoming like petty with it,
like being like, well, y'all get school, So like if
we start paying y'all like that, y'all gonna have to
start paying for your own tuition like stuff like that.

(43:55):
Like those are things that like I just think about.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
It's tough because the NC double A is kind of
becoming more and more obsolete. Like if you look at
football right the College Football Playoff, there's no NC DOUBLEA logos,
like it has nothing to do with NCUAA. It's simply
these massive conferences are playing in the College Football Playoff,
has nothing to do with them being NC DOUBLEA institutions.
Because of all the lawsuits about whatever. Right, So as

(44:20):
these conferences continue to realign, I don't know what even
the NC DOUBLEA is going to be, Like are they
even going to exist legally because they've been acting shady
for so long? Yeah, So just from that perspective, like
that's scary because a lot of sports are Olympic sports,
Like a lot of sports aren't football, men's basketball or
women's basketball. So what happens to these athletes, what happens

(44:45):
to their scholarships? I don't know, Like I don't know
if it ends up being like the institutions are the
ones that have the institutions themselves have the most power
in the scholarships. But yeah, NC DOUBLEA is fine for
their lives right now to be an a legitimate organization.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
And I remember when we were in college like with compliance,
Like dude, schools even have compliance anymore?

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Like does that even exist?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I couldn't even bring my trainers to the CA Center
without compliance being like who's that?

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Are you paying for these services? Like what is going
on here?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Like now it's just like a free fraw and as
amazing as it's been, there's just no structure whatsoever to
it at all.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, And I also think it's beneficial. It's kind of
like the interview that Gino had where he said, can
these players sign some sort of contract or something, Like
they're coming to school leaving the next year. Kids aren't
even graduating because they're going from one school to another
to another. One school's on a quarter system, the other
one's on a semester system. One school has a major
that doesn't even exist in the other. Like, like you said,

(45:46):
you're losing your education completely. So I think there's got
to be like a complete restructuring of what college athletics
is supposed to look like. And I don't know if
the NCAA is really the body to do that.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Where I get confused is we've talked about this before
too LuxI like the being paid by a school to
leave your school and go to their school, and like
how that communication works them not having to set out anymore,
Like it's complicated because there's no like loyalty. And then
it becomes a fact where it's like if this school

(46:20):
isn't paying me, why would I go to school there?
And it's like, okay, then this school can't get any players,
So now it's affecting competition.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
There's also no cap like they're going to eventually make
a cap of I think twenty million for football, but
like Ohio State, Ohio State's whole team was bought like
they had like the biggest nil budget because this whole
system is insane, So like, at what point do we
one protect everybody else, like all these other athletes, and

(46:49):
at what point do we say okay, Like institutions, you
have to have some sort of limit to this, like
this isn't pro sports. Yeah, they're supposed to be going
to class.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
These are kids.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Why does a night ten year old need half a
million dollars to go to college?

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Like, and it's way more than that. Get a bag.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
I'm here for it, but it's like for me, the
basketball purist that I am, the sports peist that I am,
and iol has completely ruined college sports for me again,
so happy that players are being able to get paid
considering how much money the NCAA and the university's make
off of their names. But I'm like, y'all had no

(47:30):
type of idea that this was coming.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
I thought it was just.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Gonna be like they could be out a commercial and
they could.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
They be a video game, right. I think it was
like I don't think it was like boosters being like,
oh yeah, here's one hundred.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Come to do like, oh you go to Duke.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Here, here's half a million to come to U and see,
like and now you don't got to sit out anymore
as a transfer kid. That first year sitting was tough,
but it made that decision very intentional. Yeah, now I
gotta go to a school and sit the hell down
for a year. Am I gonna like where I'm at?

(48:06):
You know, some people might hate me for saying this,
but like, I think.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
That's it out. RU will need to come back. I'm
sorry this team.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
The team is getting ridiculous, especially for the reasoning behind it.
Some players are in very messed up situations, so I understand,
but the fact that some players are simply leaving for
some money, I'm just like, good for you, but you
should have some type of I don't want to call
it a consequence because that's negative. But like the players

(48:35):
not even like trades, they're not signing contact they're started
happening in college.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
And here's the other thing that you have to put
in perspective, It's like, what one percent of these athletes
going to be pro? So you made twenty thousand dollars.
You're still going to have to get a normal job.
You're not living off of an extra twenty thousand, even
an extra hundred thousand for the rest of your life
if you're not a pro athlete. They're not approach Like,
there has to be some sort of logic in how

(49:04):
long term this is going to affect people because it's
not going to end well because you're going to end
up with an extra one hundred k and no degree.
Like now what Yeah, like this group specific is for
women's basketball, but like having some sort of organized structure,
keep some level of consistency because right now it's so chaotic.

(49:25):
Then moving forward, the NCAA in theory could could function
how it's supposed to. Just getting athletes to compete at
college in college sports and eventually graduate and live their lives.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, shout out women's basketball leading the way. Yet again,
what we do is lead the way. My last question
for you is a fun one, Elizabeth, what is your
final four prediction? I know we said do go in
it all, but final four prediction go.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
I don't even know the regions like the Okay, I.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Was talking to my parents about that today.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
That region stuff is like out the window because it's
like everybody is all over the place.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
So I'm like, does really even matter? So okay, final four.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Okay, Duke, Obviously I'm gonna put Yukon in there. Okay,
I'm going to put I'm gonna put usc in there.
Oh the other one South Carolina.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Period, that would be That would be amazing.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
It's a very safe, educated final for Elizabeth. I really
love that, Brian, You're a women's final four if you've
even thought about that.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
No, what Elizabeth just said is exactly what I'm hoping
is gonna happen. Now here's my thing with marsh Madness. Yes,
because those are all like I feel like the very
entertaining storylines are coming out of those four. But I
feel like my thing with March Madness that pisses me
off every year is like something's gonna happen to where
it's not like that. You get what I'm saying, Like

(50:54):
it's gonna be like some random school I never heard of.
It gets all the way to the final four, I'm like,
what is going on? You know what I'm saying, But
that's what I'm hoping happens. Listen, I know, like Yukon
is kind of like the Warriors of twenty sixteen of
women's college basketball.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Literally, they always sight away and that damn Final four,
you know, the most mediocre season in Euston standards, and
you look up and they back in the Final four.
We're like, how did y'all get here again?

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I'm trying to see Paige win.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
I don't know. I really want to see her be
a champion.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
I like who she is off the court. I like
her whole little brand. I feel like we've seen her
be hurt, We've seen like so many obstacles come across
her college basketball career for her to be as big
as she is and as great as she is, like,
I would like to see her come out on top
because this is only this is the only opportunity she's
gonna get.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yeah, yeah, I would replace South Carolina, even though I
love me some South Carolina. I'm here for the Hayley
Van Lit Redemption arc. So I'm going to see you
to the final four because I'm here.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Okay, Redemption arc.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Okay, all right, you got it, Redemption Arc five heres,
So duke it, PCU.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
And write this down.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
I feel that Lexi, but she could redeem herself in
the lead day, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
She says she don't have to get that far now, Duke.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
I'm going with Duke all the way. But the Haley
Van Lit redemption arc has been so fun to watch,
So I hope that she has a great tournament. They
just won the Big Twelve, so like, I'm.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Really happy for her.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Okay, last question, Sorry, one sleeper team for me, even
though they're not really underrated?

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Is LSU for me?

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Okay? Like I actually throw Maryland as a sleeper team
as well.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
They're always a sleeper team.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
It's a little sleeper team.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Yeah for LSU.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Though, how hurt is Flage? And I know it's like
a shin but I've never experienced shin inflammation, but serious, Yeah,
Elizabeth knows all about that.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
I actually played with a stress fracture my freshman year
in college. Would not recommend. It's pretty painful, Like, you
can do it, but you're just not gonna have the
same like.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Spring, which extremely to her game.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not gonna have the same push
off like a little snatch back might be like a
mini snatch. That's a problem. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Knowing Flage, she's a tough cookie.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I would figure she would play maybe not, maybe not
the first two rounds, depending on who they get matched
up with. But I think they have like a real
chance to make a deep run. So I think if
she can go, she'll go. But stress fractures and shin
stuff like that's nothing to play around with. And then
my sleeper pick obviously was TCU.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
I got them in the final four.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Grown Woman team. Yeah, let that's my grown woman.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
The old heads heads, see that's another They're gonna make
a run. They got some experience on there.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
They should be with on.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
We're ready for y'all because y'all are killing it, so
we can't play with the big dogs, come play with
the big girls.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Thank you so much, Elizabeth.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
This was such a fun conversation, very informative, but I
knew it would be. I'm so happy that I got
to know you in Nashville. You did amazing in AU.
I'm so excited to watch you this summer. Healthy, happy,
all of the things. So this is another episode of
Full Circle Podcast.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
We will see y'all next week.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Thanks for listening to Full Circle. We'll be back next
week with more basketball for the Girls by.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
The Girls, We want to hear from you.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
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