March 26, 2025 • 47 mins
In this episode of Full Circle, Lexie and Mariah talk through the first weekend of March Madness, highlighting standout performances, upsets, and defensive prowess of teams like Duke and Tennessee. They launch into Holly Rowe’s commentary during the USC game, Cam Newton's post on women's basketball rivalries and the problematic narrative of “good” versus “bad” girls when discussing female athletes. Plus, they have some ~ thoughts on Fox Sports list of top 10 women's college basketball players. Tune in next week to hear more basketball by the girls, for the girls.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, y'all,
welcome back to another episode of the Full Circle Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm Mariah. I'm here with my girl Lexi. Lexi, how
you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm doing good. You got a great weekend of women's hoops.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I know for those who are just now tuning in,
me and Lexi have like so much to get into today.
So if this is your first impression of us.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Wow, you're welcome. Up, You're welcome, Lexi.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
First starters, give us your analysis of the weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well, we're going to first shout out do women's basketball
for making it to the sweet sixteen. Like I knew
they would. They had a very interesting game against Oregon,
very low scoring like they typically have, but their defense
was insane and that's their bread and butter, is their defense.
So I'm really happy that they were able to hang
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their hat on that and get to the round of sixteen.
Who else had a fun little game this weekend? I
mean all the games. Like I know, last episode I
said that these first weekend games can be unwatchable at times.
This probably has been like the most competitive top to
bottom first weekend games I've seen in a while, So
that was really exciting for me to watch and seeing
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the talent being spread out more and I think that's
been fun. My TCU team made it to the Sweet sixteen.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You only got a couple more games to be right.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Man, None, No, they're going all the way to the
final four, right, I'm telling you. I'm telling you they
are special. Shout outs to Kansas State, Oh Miss with
the upsets on the road too. It's hard to upset
teams in the tournament at their home court, so shout
out to them. The team that I was most impressed
with though this weekend was probably Tennessee though. They're really
fun to watch. They shoot a lot of threes, and
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they just don't like the Tennessee teams that we grew
up watching, Like they're just they're their tempo, their pace,
everything is like it's yes, it's very SEC, but like
Tennessee used to be, like they were like like the
bougie team in the SEC, like the QTc team, and
now they're like just running through everybody and they're really exciting.
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They pressed full court the entire game, which I haven't
seen that in a college team. In a minute, I
think they forced Ohio State in the twenty three turnovers
and then they went ten for thirty four from three.
So overall, top to bottom, Tennessee looked the most impressive
to me visually. So it was a great weekend. It's
been really it's been a great weekend of women's hoops.
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And I'm sorry to the men's tournament that is very
boring right now because it is. It's so boring. There's
just no there was no crazy upsets. There's I think
there was like one or two buzzer beaters, so shout
out to the women holding it down.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I peeked in and then I went and watched Temptations.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I was like, yeah, this year, not this year. It's
just we always talk about the state of men's college basketball.
It's just in shambles at the moment. So I'm hoping
that they can like get it together because I do
love men's college basketball. The tournament is supposed to be
the most exciting time of the year, especially in men's
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college basketball, so hopefully they can get it together. But
the women are holding it down, and there's actually games
going on right as we're recording. Texas is beating the
crap out of Illinois and NC State beat the crap
out of Michigan State. So congrats to them. And I'm
going to the USC game tonight. Oh that's the BET Awards,
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I beat, Mariah. That is not how I wanted to
segue into this part of the episode. But here we are.
We're here now, We're here now, And yeah, I will
be at the BET Awards and I will be dressing
Tom pressed because I guess that's what they're doing out
here in LA is showing up like an awards show.
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So Mariah, can you please for people that are lost
about that statement, can we please provide some context to
our listeners to why you? Of course, the USC women's
basketball game of the.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Bt okay, So if you guys haven't heard already.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Holli Row, who is a longtime ESPN sideline reporter, like well,
renowned in that space and doing this for years, was
reporting on a USC basketball game this weekend and Juju
Watkins was playing. She's talking about how Juju is such
a star and she's brought the stars out and then
goes on to say that she was at a game
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last year where USD was playing, and it felt like
she was at the BET Awards because all of the culture.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Which is the oh, the community, all of that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Community came out, that community came out to watch her,
and that Juju is a cultural icon. Three flags there
the BET Awards mentioned girl. Why can't it be the
VMA's number two, that community mention and number three the
culture mention.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Come on, Holly, it was, and you know, Holly is
my girl. Holly has been such an avid supporter of
women's basketball before everyone else was. She's been covering us
for years and years and years. So yeah, there was
no malicious intent behind that. I hope we want to
let make that be known right now. We do not
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think Holly made any like wasn't trying to be like
mean or anything when she said that, But she has
the history of having some mishaps with things that she says,
being a little bit tone deaf at times. And for us,
like as players, as black women, I think we are
like we're programmed to just be like, ah, just let
it go, just let it go, but like, no, sometimes
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I don't want to let it go. And this is
one of those times and Holly, we love you, we
love you down Holly, but like you cannot say things
like that, Like for some reason, I feel like I
don't know why there's like this divisive context and dialogue
that is always surrounding women's basketball, and I don't understand why,
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Like why does it have to be this plerson brings
out this group of people, and this person has this
group of people. Why can't they just bring out basketball fans?
Like why is everybody having to be categorized? And it
only happens in women's basketball. Maybe because I'm not tapped
into other sports atmospheres, so I could be incorrect, But
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between men's basketball and women's basketball, which is the two
atmospheres I live in, I've only seen this happen in
women's basketball, and I don't this is the media coverage
that I'm always complaining about, Like it's dumb, because why
can't we just talk about basketball because y'all still learn
not talking about basketball, you're talking about everything else And
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I don't under like it's frustrating, especially for someone like Juju,
Like as the world quickly found out, you know, we
do not play about Juju like she's niece to to
the masses. So black, white, polka dot, yellow, red. Everybody
loves Juju because everyone loves the way that she plays basketball.
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So she's actually been able to escape these weird, microaggressive conversations,
and for some reason, they're trying to place those on
her right now. And I would like, we're stopping that.
We're not allowing that because we saw what happened when
they did that to the last group and it turned
into something very nasty. We can't allow that to happen again.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
What I will say is we do.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
This does come up with people in sports in general
trying to be divisive when it comes to audiences. For example,
the first thing that pops into I had is in
the NBA the Celtics fan bases face like what assume
for them to be like? That comes up a lot,
I think because people like controversy in sports. My thing
with Hally's particular comment is just you can't ignore how
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microaggressive it was. Because I'm not running around comparing stuff
to the BT Awards, like I'm a black person. I
don't think about the BAT Awards that that was bad.
I think that in part it's because people, Oh, we're
so not used to having celebrity audiences at these games
and blah.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Blah blah blah blah. But I think the BT Awards thing.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Is what makes it unescapable because it's not like black
people have been mad at the BT Awards for the
last time. That's what I was talking about.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
We don't even like the BT Awards, no war, because
not even are they now They're a mess.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Right, So I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I think Holly just got a little too comfortable, you
know what I'm saying, got a little excited, and in
part when something like that happens, the sad part is,
like you were saying, it takes away from anything and
everything else that happen during the game, because that was
so wild.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And the awkward silence following that statement was so loud.
I got secondhand embarrassment because I'm like, I know they
heard that, and they were like, oh yeah, well where
do we go from here? So what now, Holly? What now?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I've eaten my words one or two or three seven times,
so I understand how that feels. I hope that they
don't attack her too bad. I hope she learns from this.
She's I've never seen her be anything but an ally,
so I think this she'll have a good response slash apology.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
To this whole situation. It should. I honestly think it's funny.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
No, it was. It was hilarious. But I was like,
I was thinking back from when Dion Sanders and all
of them got to Colorado. They said I think they
said the exact same comment about the Colorado football games
that it looked like the BET Awards. I don't know
who said it. I think it might have been like
a black person that said it, so that made it
a bit more acceptable, But even then, that's still a
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weird thing to say.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Like, but also the other words show that other remy.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Are there any other mass gatherings of black people outside
the BET Awards? No?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But they.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Is the only place that black people gather.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Is that I'm trying to think of stereotypically where a
white person would like a lot of black people gather,
And the first thing that poppup my head is so
bad as a basketball game.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So I'm like, right, why is it so shocking that.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
They're exactly where they should be at sporting events? But
I was like, now that that's come up twice, I'm like,
that's what y'all think of us just anytime any black
people of any type of anything, whatever celebrity status, sach area,
we're at the BT.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Awards, beyond a JZ, don't even go to the BET.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Awards, Hello, talk about it. So, okay, we love you
Holley though. We love you Holly though, but watch.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
The mouth while we're being controversial and talking about like
divisive conversation in women's basketball. I'm curious to hear what
you thought about Cam Newton's comments about ratings.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Ravel my gosh, you know it's so crazy. Literally was
just talking to my mom on the phone about exactly
what he said. I hadn't even seen that clip yet
when I said it to you, I had like literally
just saw it, and I was like, oh, we got
to talk about this. So for those that haven't seen
the clip, Cam Newton on his podcast was talking about
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how basically he was like Juju isn't getting the hype
and conversation like Caitlyn Clark did because she doesn't have
an arch nemesis. He proceeded to call Caitlin Clark the
good girl, and he called Angel Rees and FLA J.
Johnson the bad girls, which I stopped listening after that,
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because huh, what makes them bad girls? Like because they
play hard, because they celebrate hard. Like I just thought
that was an odd thing for him to say, Like
I understood where he was coming from, Like this is
not like he getting canceled off of this, like he
can't ever talk about women's basketball, but it's just like basically,
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it was just like there's no villain in women's college
basketball right now, and I'm just like, but why does
there have to be one? Like when did that become
a thing?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I listened to the full clip because you know, yep,
I got to listen to the whole thing or I
so I can form my full opinion.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Because people do that to us. And basically he was
trying to say.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I understood what he was trying to say in the
sense where he was like, wait, let's back it up.
Juju not getting the same hype as Kaitlyn Clark. Juju
is getting a lot of high.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
She was on a niney commercials during the Super Bowl.
What more do you need? What more do you want?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It? Yeah, I don't know what he's talking about there,
but as far as the good girl bad girl thing,
I think he was more so referring to something that
we talk about all the time, and it was the
media narrative that Caitlyn Clark is this angel that needed
to be saved from Angel Rees Flawge, the lends the
bad girls, and because they don't have that the bad
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girls in college basketball right now, people aren't quote unquote
paying attention, which is like.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
But I've I said it before. The media covers the
last two years was full of shit because there is
high level basketball being played still and LSU is still
very good and Flage is still on that team. So she,
to me, doesn't exude that energy anyway. Like Flage is
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like a very upbeat, positive person.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
That's what I think. I've seen a villain.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, like she doesn't really give villain energy, but I don't.
I also don't think Angel Reese like has that energy either.
I think that's how she that's her, how she plays.
Just her style of play is just very aggressive compared
to the counterpart, which is more three pointers and all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
What I was gonna say about that is I think
what cam New was getting at is a deeper conversation
and the reason why what he said came off a
little bit annoying is because he didn't quite go there.
And that's that Angel Reeson didn't ask to be a villain.
She was made to be a villain and she just
embraced it, which was smart of her. But she didn't
she did this that isn't villain behavior. She didn't punch
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Caitlin in the face like it's and I talked about
this on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
It's this. Honestly, I'm gonna make it a race issue.
Oh my god, it come at me.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
But it's this narrative of like the white girl that
needs to be saved and the black person that's the victim,
and everybody falls in love with this person because they're like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Everyone's so mean to you.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I'm gonna support you, and then everybody falls in love
with it, which is exactly what happened last year. I
think it felt so much bigger and so much polarizing
because political figures were talking about Angel and the barstool
guy was calling Angel a classless piece of shit, and
it became this bigger conversation, whereas is it a bad
thing that we don't have that?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Juju's making money shr faces everywhere, She's getting the hype
and she's not getting treated the way Angel was or
the way Caitlin was.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Because I don't envy that either.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Exactly, because I don't think. I don't. Yeah, I think
they both were put in an awful situation for being
twenty one and twenty two years old. So I don't
think that either one of them. Like you said, I
don't envy either one of their situations. I think they've
both handled it in their own ways, and I think
they've both handled it extremely well considering how young they are.
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But also saying that, I'm just like Kim New, how
many games, how you've been to? How many tickets have
you bought? For you to be just sit there and
be comfortable speaking so openly about it, Like I appreciate
the interest, but I just feel like that in a
nutshell is just like what is going on? Like people
have so much to say about it, but like they
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don't go to games, they don't buy tickets, they don't
buy merch, Like, so what exactly is your reasoning for
speaking on it for so much? If you quote unquote
don't really like it that much, but all y'all do
is talk about it.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, outside of that, it's like part of the problem
is the fact that people like Cam Newton with these
big platforms are speaking on it. In the sense it's
the same thing that was kind of happening with the
NBA at the beginning of the season, where it's if
you're gonna talk about it, don't keep perpetuating this narrative
that it's doing so bad because x y Z or
nobody's watching because x y Z.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That is nothing for the game.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, like, look at the numbers this year. They're still
high as hell viewership.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I agree that rivalries bring ratings and sports. That's the
reason we were talking about this and we got torn
up about the NBA's profit issue and how they get.
The way the NBA became profitable was because.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Of the bird Magic rivalry.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So rivalries do bring ratings, but there are still rivalries
in women's basketball, is my whole point. You could you
could market USC UCLA that was a rivalry.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Why aren't you talking about that?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Juju did have top five teams the entire season. That is, right,
the definition of a rivalry that y'all could have hyped
up anyway y'all wanted to, and y'all chose not to. Right,
and now it's what good girl, bad girl? No, how
about really talented group of players another really talented group
of players that are beating up on each other the
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entire season? That rivalry was they did that. They did
a disservice to that rivalry this season because it was
so good and we haven't seen a USC and UCLA team,
both of them being this good in a long time.
So I think the media dropped the ball for sure
on that rivalry this entire season.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
But you know what, hear me out, LEXI, let me
say the quiet heart out loud. Hear me out, LEXI
follow me here, Okay, when I'm thinking about the good
girl bad girl thing, right, follow me?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
What made Angelies a bad girl?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Quote unquote was this which I wouldn't even qualify as
taught trash shocking?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
This is really just whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
But if you want to call literally John Cena, can
we please? Right?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
So, what made Injuries a villain and Caitlin of victim
was this good girl backgirl?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But then we have this year.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
When I think of the trash talkers that are left,
I think of Haley Vanlyth. She's a trash hocker, right,
page Beckers, she talks trash.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, so why why aren't they bad girls? Right?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
But but Juju is more chill, and you know, she
doesn't even really get it into the mix like that,
Like she just goes out and plays in her game,
but you're not you're not calling her a good girl.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So so why can't.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Why can't pay right? Why can't you do girl exactly exactly?
Like there can be good girls and bad girls, but
you all want them to be your good girls and
back girls the way y'all think of girl girl and
back girls. So why is your version of a good
girl versus a bad girl just a very stereotypical archetype
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that we're trying to get out of. Is twenty twenty five?
What are we doing well?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
They also wanted to be handed to them because in
order to know that these rivalries still exist and good
girls bad girls, that these things are still happening, they
would actually have to watch the games and not just
see a huge blow up like Angel Reesa and Caitlin Clark.
They would have to have to actually have to search
for these and they don't want to do that.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Which even this good girl bad girl thing like that
wasn't even a thing when they were in college. This
good girl thing that happened because of what happened in
the summertime with the rookie stuff. So they're using what
happened just recently and rewriting history a little bit in
college because no one was walking around thinking that, oh,
poor Kaitlyn. Kaitlyn was whooping everybody's.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Ass and she was try talking like no, she.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Was like the trash talker that everybody loved, like we
all loved it. She was entertaining as shit. People are
using recency bias to rewrite history because ain't nobody thought
they was good girls or bad girls like those are
just the two teams that were playing at a high
level and running through everybody, the defending national champs. Of
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course you're going to talk about them. Where is the
energy for South Carolina? I am still asking at a
loss for words at he even mentioned Staley in his
little ring, right. I don't really even know what point
he was trying to make with that, but he was like,
she's she's unconventional and she's gonna pop her shit and
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da da dad and people respect her, which, yeah, she's
earned that, right.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I took that as he was saying that there's not
really like, yeah, she comes out with the fits and
the Louis and whatever, but there's not really anything to
hang your hat on with her as far as being
polariz Why can't kim Oki be the villain coach? I
don't understand, Like, I don't like, why are people acting
like it's less entertaining. The only thing that's gone is
Angel and Caitlin.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It's still entertaining.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
It's still entertaining. The games have been incredible. This season
was incredible. Juju has been incredible.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Lexi, I have to ask you why when it comes
to South Carolina this has been the case for years years,
Why when it comes to South Carolina, it's like nobody
really talks about the girls on the team, Like Down
is the face of that team. Nobody talks about the
girls that are actually playing on the team.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I mean, it's giving you a bit real. But Page,
no one's bigger than the program, right, Page was a
superstar before she got there, so like Cover of Slam
and all that kind of stuff out of high school,
like Paige was doing things that no one was doing
in high school. In case everybody forgot about that, I
know it was a long time ago, but Page was
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coming in like on some different type of time and
still decided to go to Yukon knowing that people typically
aren't bigger than the program. So the fact that she's
been able to sustain the celebrity and play at a
high level even though she's been injured, like very impressive.
The energy the lack of energy for South Carolina. I mean,
I think it's like the same thing that we're seeing
in the MVP race of the NBA, Like people just
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get bored with greatness. And I don't know why watching
someone be great is so fun. It should inspire you,
it should empower you. You shouldn't ever be bored with
someone just continuing to be great, especially when they work
really hard at it. But yes, Don is definitely the
face of South Carolina. And then I think Asia Wilson
is I think Asian Wilson is still also the face
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of South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Right and same with Asia, Like you don't really see
that with her, Like people don't get bored with her
being great. I think I don't know who you're referring
to or you're offering it in the NBA Jason Tatum,
because that's a whole different thing because Jason Tatum talking.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
About they're boring, like not coming at y'all. But I'm just.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Saying vero much, Jason Tatum, I actually really like it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's a whole conversation for a whole other day.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
But I think that like what people consider to be
boring and an athlete is so unfair.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Like so unfair. Okay, Sorry, I'm really good and unproblematic
and I love playing basketball. Sorry, I'm that bores y'all.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Like, I'm sorry you want to drag Anthony Edwards it
being in the face of the NBA, even though he
touched down and post a homophobic story. Then forgot about
seventeen I forgot gotten seventeen women pregnant this year, always
in trouble, always get it fine for cussing.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't got a problem with aunt.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Go dogs, But like my problem is is, like, so
you want to make him the face of and be
like cool, everyone's more drawn to that.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Jason Tatum hasn't done nothing but be great. And when
he said when unproblematic, he's marketable as hell, He's won championships,
stays out of trouble. It's respectful any place for like
one of the most historic iconic franchises in the universe
of sports. So yeah, we are in like a never
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ending moving of goalposts. Like that's what I've I've boiled
it down to that, like goalposts just get moved constantly
and you just kind of have to adapt to that
and figure it out. But I mean, even them giving
South Carolina the last number one seed, it's just like wow, why.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And I hate that they don't got to explain. I
mean they're like, oh, this, this is the resume, the
strength of schedule, and da da da da. But okay,
like at the end of the day, like the committee,
y'all are not robots. Y'all can put anybody wherever y'all want, honestly,
So the fact that y'all fixed y'all's little hands when
you were writing out the bracket and you made it
South Caroline of the last one seed is crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
So do you think that the nobody, no one's bigger
than the program.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
School slash teams?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Like what would you what do you think is better
being a note? Like I guess it depends on the
school and the team that you're working with, But I
can't really figure out what would work better because it's
like it does kind of work when there is a
face for ratings wise, but as far as winning, Dawn
has proved that the nobody's bigger than the program thing
is working. As far as whin, yeah, because Caitlyn didn't win,
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I'm an angel one.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
But yeah for me now, like I don't really know
now because the NIL stuff has just changed everything. People
are prioritizing different things and that's okay. These are the
decisions you make when you're a pro, though, like I
want to win now or do I want to get
paid now? Or do I want to win now and
then hopefully when I win, I'll get paid later. Like
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you weren't, that's not what you were thinking about in
college five years ago. You were like where can I win?
Where can I get the most visibility so I can
make it to the next level, Or if you're not
interested in being a pro, where can I go to
get the best education I can and be in a
good environment for my future. There's like so many different
things now moving parts and people deciding on what schools
(25:28):
are going to and what's what they're valuing while they're there.
So honestly, like, I don't have an answer for that,
and you know, I can't even name the I can't
even name who won the national championship five years ago, honestly, Like, yeah,
I think that winning is important. Yes, you want to
have winners on your team, but at the end of
the day, only one team can win. So when you're
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putting things in prioritization, what you're prioritizing, like, yeah, we're
going to see more players prioritize themselves, and I think
that's not good for the whole state of college as
a whole. But I'm never gonna be mad at these
players finally getting what they deserve because of all the
money that the NCAA has made of our blood, sweat
and tears.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Fair I mean, it's it's children in college having to
make professional decisions. Like they're making the decisions you're making,
which is really concerning, but it's.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Crazy, Like and I struggle with making these decisions now
I'm thirty, like these girls are eighteen and nineteen. I mean,
I think we always are talking about Haley van Litt
because like she's like she's going to be like the
like the case study of like nil gone horrible and
then back right, Like what that process looks like for
(26:41):
a player, like a really really good player so you know,
her being able to find her way after the fact.
Like I think, yes, that COVID year saved her because
if last year was her last year, she would have
been out shit out of luck.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
So I'm happy that she had that addition year to
get her her career back on track because she deserved that.
But that's not going to be the case. COVID year
is over, and I think people forgot about that too.
Everybody who was in school at that time got in
a whole extra year of college, so it kind of
like threw everything off office tracks a little bit. But
now like, okay, everyone's back to playing their fourth season
(27:19):
four years of college. This transferring has gotten out of
freaking control, and like, I don't know what it's going
to look like now because like now we're done with
the five year players. So we also have never seen
that before, five players getting five whole seasons. Because I
know COVID it cut the season short, but ninety nine
percent of the teams their seasons were over by the
(27:40):
time COVID happened. Y'all wasn't making the tournament. Y'all wasn't
y'all was gonna lose first round and y'all, conference, your
season was done. So yes, I feel I felt horrible
for those players that really had a chance to win
a national championship or win a conference championship and that
got cut short. Absolutely feel bad for them, but the
season was over. So that extra year to me, I
(28:01):
was like, y'all, y'all looked out with that one, because y'all,
y'all played an entire season of basketball before COVID hit.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Well, my sister was getting recruited last year, and it
was like, as far as recruiting goes for incoming freshmen.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
They kind of got screwed with.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Schools being my sister, Why want not just get.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Somebody out of the portal or keep a senior we
already have who already knows our system, Yeah, and get
a freshman and group like that doesn't even make any.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Sense, I mean, And it's trickling down now too, like
even now without even without the COVID year, now, like
it's just trickling down. Like I feel so bad for
the high school transfer portal. I feel so bad for
high school kids. And now even with them possibly changing
the junior college rule and eligibility stuff, like what do
they want these high school kids to do. Yeah, like
(28:50):
and even for us, like our tournament, yeah, we typically
have like our Sweet sixteen elite eate are typically from
like the Power five conferences. Like that's not new in
women's basketball, but I'm pretty sure I saw grab today
that said the men they only have representation from four conferences,
so they're like the Cinderella era is over, which I
mean technically like Cinderella's is like a rare thing, Like
(29:12):
you're not supposed to have a lot of Cinderellas anyway,
because that's why they call them Cinderellas, because they're not supposed.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
To be there exactly.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
But I mean it's changing the landscape of everything. Like
we said in our last episode with Elizabeth, was how
people are going to start gravitating to these four conferences
and these middle mid major, low major schools are going
to become like pipelines like the new prep schools.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
We have a lot to get into. So I'm gonna
segue a little bit because I have to hear your
thoughts on the top ten the Fox Sports on top
Oh my god, all time women's college basketball players. I'm
going to read the list for our audience before you
give your thoughts. Just for people who are listening who
haven't seen the list quite yet, it's a doozy So okay,
(29:56):
that ten, they've got Lynette Woodard.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Nine, nine.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Sorry they have Asians, all right. I hadn't really seen
behind beyond the top five. In the ninth spot they
have Asia Wilson, and the eighth spot they have Kandice Parker,
seventh and pretty grinds.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
It gets worse, guys, it gets worse six maya more.
Why come the fifth.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Jamik Holds Cloud and fourth Cheryl Miller and third Diana Tarassi,
in second Caitlyn Clark and at first Breonna Stewart.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Okay, let me just let's start with this. All ten
of those players are deserving to be in conversations of
some of the best college basketball players that we've ever seen. Okay,
we're gonna start there. There's a lot of those. It's
not just ten of them.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
You go, like, see, because when we get clipped, they
not including that.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, they're not including that. So when they go watch it,
we can be like, no, they're all so amazing and whatever,
like there was no this. So I feel about lists.
They're dumb. They're stupid, and they're only made to get
responses and reactions and bickering from people. And that's exactly
what Fox. When the heit When was the last time
(31:13):
they posted anything women's basketball related, let alone giving us
an entire top ten women's college basketball players list in
the middle of the NCAA tournament. All these amazing things
happening within the tournament of current players, and this is
what you decide to drop in the middle of March madness. Fox,
Please please be serious for once in your life and
(31:36):
stop trying to make everybody argue about women's college basketball
every freaking day of the year. Maya More. You know what,
I could go on a really long tangent about this list.
Maya More being at six is all I needed to
see is to see that that list was bullshit.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Also, I didn't I realized I didn't read the honorable
mentions Kelsey Plumps, Renna Unascu, Elena del don Shaw swoops,
and Rebecca Lobo.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
What is even the point of that?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
My sister like rants about this all the time, and
I've never said this in public, but can we stop?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Actually, Like Kayla Clark won a championship, she didn't.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I down I Love in that top five, Brianna Stewart
four time champ, Diana Trossi two time national champion, Scheryl
Miller two time national champ, Smi coles Claw three time
national champ, and then Myn More at six, two time
national champion. I feel like to be as one of
the greats, you have to win a national championship, like
that's the first. Because if we're talking about scoring, then
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you gotta throw Kelsey Mitchell in there because you have
the other two scores, you have Plumbing in the honorable mention,
and you got Kaitlin in the top five. Where's Kelsey Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I'm tired of the Kelsey Mitchell disrespect. I'm gonna say that.
I say it all the time. It's disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
In any men's sport, they would never put somebody who
has one not won a championship in the top ten. Ever, No,
like on any platform, on any list, they would never
put somebody.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I will say I might have I might have seen
a list with like a Jimmer for debt on there.
I don't know, I might have made that up. But
like every time college who like great college anything, Jimmy
forre Dead is always thrown in there, and now that
I'm thinking about it, like Caitlin Clark is like our
Jimmer for debt low key, but she's yeah, she won.
(33:29):
I think I don't even know like what like he
did in his conference and all that stuff. But like
when the tournament came around, everyone was like it's Jimmifred
at time, Like it's time to watch Gimmer in the tournament.
So yeah, I don't know, like she's top five, top
ten and something, but like all time, like these are
(33:51):
one like two three four time national champs that we
have in this list. These are three four time player
of the years.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
And I'm sorry it's especially since women have more time,
like and the men's If you go to the NBA,
you only got one year for men, So I understand
their listening.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
So their list looks different than a women's or a
women's list.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
If you don't win a championship, that's on you. You
have plenty of opportunity.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
You're not on the list. I'm sorry. If the list
was the most influential.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Cool, oh, absolutely best scoring, best starars we've seen, okay,
but the greatest, not all time. Like I said, this
is no disrespect to anybody on this list whatsoever. The
list is extremely valid, but y'all lost me at Mayamore
being number six. Yeah, that's really where y'all lost me, honestly,
(34:39):
and then I didn't care about the rest of the
list after that. So I'm like, I know she's been
gone for a while, guys, but come on now, just
watch some mind more highlights please. All you need to
watch is them, about a minute of them.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Do you agree that Stewie is the best though than
a number one?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
See? But that's the thing about this list, I don't
I don't know what the what the requirements to get
on the list was, because you four time player of
the Year, four time national champion at one, and then
you have.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But based on your assessment, like based on what you
think would make the greatest women's basket college basketball player.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh yeah, if I were to like make my own list, yes,
Stewie would be one based on her play, her accolades.
Like she's like consensus one.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I agree. I think that's the only thing that that
made sense on the whole thing was.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, like she's consensus number one as far as like
college player. I feel like even sometimes people let like
people's pro careers affect how we talk about people's college careers,
which has for me, for example, has worked in the
opposite way. They look at my pro career and they're like, oh,
you must have been trash in college too then, but like, no,
(35:52):
I wasn't. I'm not trash now, okay, guys, but like
I definitely wasn't trash in college. But it's works. It
works both ways. So yeah, shout out to my follower. Sometimes,
you know, you got to peek into your request see
what's going on in there. This guy sent me the
list and he was like, I want you to talk
about this on gills and I was like, no, I'm
going to talk about it online. Yeah, So yeah, shout
(36:13):
out to homeboy and my request. I appreciate you sending
me this list because I did not see it. And
when he said it to me, I said, oh, yeah,
we definitely need to talk about this. I think. Another
thing I wanted to mention was the amount of commercials
that we've seen. Everybody in I haven't seen any boy
(36:34):
Hoopers and any of these commercials except for Cooper Flag
and the rest has been the girly pops.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
To be fair, I don't know who really any of
them are.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
So I've been living for these commercials. It's Juju, then
its Page, then it's Flage, then it's the South Carolina team.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
That's why I don't unershore why people are saying that
they're not getting hype or people don't know them, or
that at.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Bell off because I'm like that I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I've said the seven million times who the men's players
are right now? No fens, but I know like plenty
of the world. Like if I think if you ask
people to name five college basketball players, women's and men's,
they will be able to name five women before they
can name it for sure.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
The average person on the street or your name, name
five players still playing in the tournament right now? Like
are they trying to like stir the pot? Like yes,
what agendas are they trying to push like a Cam
Newton in all them? Like what how do you benefit
in your conversation and how do you think we benefit
if you want us to have these weird rivalries that
have nothing to do with basketball.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
It's the same thing that Steven A. Smith does on
first take. They have to mention women's college basketball, right,
they have to women mention women's basketball, and they don't
know what's actually going on on the court. Therefore they
pull out a little hot topic discourse which always has
something to do with Kaitlyn Clark, and then they.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Talk about that so they could check it off their
But okay, we mentioned women's basketball. Okay, cool, Yeah, we
can move on. That's the reason why.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I mean, that's all they know how to talk about,
all they know talk about. And we said it earlier
in the show, like what is happening to Kaitlin Clark
on the other side of this is also not okay?
Like I don't like leave her alone, right, Like, I
know we talk about her, but like we talk about
her because we think she's amazing and she's such a
great player, and now she's in our she's in my
sisterhood and this is a WNA women's college basketball show
(38:21):
and for some reason, nobody knows how to talk about
women's basketball without mentioning her or angel which I think
that's a that's a credit to them because how impactful
they were. But to say that this, I mean, we
said there has been a lack of narratives, there's been
a lack of storylines. But like y'alll of media. I mean,
I want to't call Cam media. He does like what
(38:42):
I do, but like the big media platforms like y'all
have all the resources and energy in the world to
push these narratives the way you want to, and y'all
have chosen to not push any really, and now you're complaining.
I'm just like, that doesn't make sense. And not even
with the the hot takes think pieces. They're doing it
with the men's game now too. Now everything oh nil
(39:05):
is ruining basketball and the transfer proto is ruining basketball
instead of just talking about the games. So it's happening.
Everythingople getting lazy, it's giving lazy.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Speaking of a hot topic this year, though, I want
to know your thoughts on Juju and Jada Daniels.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
See. Don't you know, I don't have any thoughts about it,
you know, because there's none of my freaking business. But
the fact that they had an entire segment dedicated to
it on TV was weird.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I thought that was so because I wanted to know
what everybody was talking about. Because this morning, when I
love back on from being off the grid this weekend,
that's the first thing I kept seeing, and I was
like that in the damn four am morning routine, which
is a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
But you're off Twitter. Have you seen that girl?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
No, I'm living in Alexi, La la lamb, and it's
been so great. The only reason why I saw the
Holly Road thing was because my friend sent it to me.
We'll I'll send you the morning routinable again that next week.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
But basically I kept seeing things about Juju and they
were like basically insinuating that she was flirting with him,
or like I did see one tweet that was funny
that was like, Juju, don't even open her eyes on
the course she want to see him.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
She got her eyes over for him. That sent me
into the moon.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
But imagine being a college girl and you're like talking
to a guy.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I don't even know if she was flirting with him.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I don't know what their situation is, but and people
are videoing it and like analyzing you.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Not even video like this, guys. This was not like
someone's iPhone thing that's like, you know how people like
randomly post things. This was like the four k ESPN
cameras all in their mouth, all in their face, like
y'all are rude. And now y'all want to play matchmaker?
You weirdos? What do we doing?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
But like, so you know, you know that's not why
the cliffs gone viral. So I have to asked you
about the mama.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Did you see that or when she sat it between them? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Did you think that was weird?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Like? Because okay for contacts for those listening, because we're
going off out a tangent.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I don't know if everybody has to talking about.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
So basically, a clip of Juju and Jadon Daniels came
out of the game based on what the ESPN camera saw.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
It's not my fault. I saw it. It was giving
googly eyes.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
You know, they were talking real intently, and then the
next clip is his mom coming to sit down and
sits in between them, and Juju's looking unbothered and uninterested
and looking at the game or whatever. So everybody who's
been kind of saying his mom will let anybody around him,
basically because his mom, I think what he was being drafted.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Isn't she his manager?
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I don't know, but she's really very mo she's mamas.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, she was asked what she was the most afraid
of with him being a professional and she said girls.
She said, there's a girl at home right now with
a Jade and Daniels poster, and she's she just thinks
she's gonna get him, but nobody's getting my son.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
So that's why people were like, she won't let any girls,
not even juju around around her son. But I don't
know if I don't know if it was like that,
because anyone was.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Like, okay, the context of it, like it absolutely could
be harmless, and it could not be harmless. But again,
like I said, none of our business. So yes, the
fact that the mom already has that reputation and she's
vocally said, ain't nobody give my baby, didn't do that,
everyone would be like, oh, so it's cap she had
(42:23):
a stand on business in that moment in time. To
be fair, she's right to be scared.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
So not.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
It's treacherous out here.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
But yeah, if anything, the reason I think that it
was harmless is because if there's anybody you don't need
to be worried about being around your son, it's a
woman who is already a professional athlete herself, already a
millionaire herself at nineteen, and she don't need nothing.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Got the whole world looking at her right, But yeah,
shout out to the cameraman who captured that, because what
was it during a game? It was during a game, like, yeah,
was it going into commercial break?
Speaker 1 (43:03):
And Cam Doon try to say, nobody cares about Juju, Cam,
we don't play about that girl.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
The world does not play about Juju. I think circling
back to this good Girl, Bad Girl, Da da da da, like,
I think we're finally out of place in women's basketball,
finally where people are just simply appreciating the way that
we play basketball as women, and we haven't always gotten
that respect. Like people genuinely enjoy watching Juju play basketball,
(43:32):
and I think that's how it was with Caitlyn too.
People really love watching her hoop. I remember, I remember
when I first started watching her when she was a
freshman in Iowa. I loved watching her play basketball. And
I feel that way about a lot of people who
hoop men and women, because I just love watching good basketball.
So I'm glad that Like when he says something like that,
people are just kind of like, what are you even
(43:53):
talking about, Like why can't you just appreciate Juju for
the amazing player that she is and the fact that
every body likes watching her, and I think that's like
gonna be the next stepping stone for us. And women's
basketball is this division. We don't want it. We don't
want that. That's not what the WNBA stands for, it's
not what these universities stand for. Sports is the great uniter,
(44:16):
and for some reason, people are working over time for
it to like do the opposite when sports is what
brings people together, all types of people together. And I
think that's a heavy crown for Juju to wear. So
we will protect her at all costs. Okay, Juju, get
behind us. We're not gonna let these crazy people put
(44:37):
their weird narratives on you that you do not deserve
because all you do is put your head down in
work and win.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Well, I'll say that's one of the nice things about
the Juju page era, like post Angel Kaitlin, is that
nobody's really trying to make it about any time.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
We're talking about it like a fucking war, right, Oh,
heavy it was.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
It was a war.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
We had a fire for lives to make it through
last summer. Man.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
But well, I think that I honestly an unpopular opinion.
I know it was really hard for both of them.
At the end of the day, I think that it
was a good thing for women's sports in general, not
just basketball. So now, okay, how do we take that
momentum and move it into the next era. I think
the best possible thing is a juju who's not really
in the media for anything other than damn talking to
(45:25):
Jayda Daniels and being on Nike commercials and a page
who Yeah, she talks our shit blah blah blah, but she,
like you said, she's been a celebrity since high school.
So people are gonna pay attention to them regardless for
how they perform on the court.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
So that is a good thing for that to be
the next step.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yeah, I don't think we need to be.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Complaining because it's not controversial or a fight.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Controversy cells, yes, but so does good basketball. And if
you guys were watching any of these games this weekend,
those arenas were filled. Honey. It was so beautiful to
see all these people coming out to support women's basketball
this year. And I know the summer is going to
be This tournament is lit. The final four, You're gonna
be lit. I'm so excited that we get to go.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
That's what I was gonna conclude with y'all if you're
still listening, that means that you love us. So you
need to come out to the Final four because I
believe we'll be doing a live tape bang and me
and Lexi.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Will be there and it'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
So yeah, come hang, Come hang with us in Tampa
and tap into this podcast live and in person. Thanks
for sticking with us. Today was a long one, but
it was a fun one. So we will see y'all
next week the Full Circle Podcast. Bye.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, y'all,
welcome back to another episode of the Full Circle Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm Mariah. I'm here with my girl Lexi. Lexi, how
you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm doing good. You got a great weekend of women's hoops.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I know for those who are just now tuning in,
me and Lexi have like so much to get into today.
So if this is your first impression of us.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Wow, you're welcome. Up, You're welcome, Lexi.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
First starters, give us your analysis of the weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well, we're going to first shout out do women's basketball
for making it to the sweet sixteen. Like I knew
they would. They had a very interesting game against Oregon,
very low scoring like they typically have, but their defense
was insane and that's their bread and butter, is their defense.
So I'm really happy that they were able to hang
(01:03):
their hat on that and get to the round of sixteen.
Who else had a fun little game this weekend? I
mean all the games. Like I know, last episode I
said that these first weekend games can be unwatchable at times.
This probably has been like the most competitive top to
bottom first weekend games I've seen in a while, So
that was really exciting for me to watch and seeing
(01:25):
the talent being spread out more and I think that's
been fun. My TCU team made it to the Sweet sixteen.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You only got a couple more games to be right.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Man, None, No, they're going all the way to the
final four, right, I'm telling you. I'm telling you they
are special. Shout outs to Kansas State, Oh Miss with
the upsets on the road too. It's hard to upset
teams in the tournament at their home court, so shout
out to them. The team that I was most impressed
with though this weekend was probably Tennessee though. They're really
fun to watch. They shoot a lot of threes, and
(01:59):
they just don't like the Tennessee teams that we grew
up watching, Like they're just they're their tempo, their pace,
everything is like it's yes, it's very SEC, but like
Tennessee used to be, like they were like like the
bougie team in the SEC, like the QTc team, and
now they're like just running through everybody and they're really exciting.
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They pressed full court the entire game, which I haven't
seen that in a college team. In a minute, I
think they forced Ohio State in the twenty three turnovers
and then they went ten for thirty four from three.
So overall, top to bottom, Tennessee looked the most impressive
to me visually. So it was a great weekend. It's
been really it's been a great weekend of women's hoops.
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And I'm sorry to the men's tournament that is very
boring right now because it is. It's so boring. There's
just no there was no crazy upsets. There's I think
there was like one or two buzzer beaters, so shout
out to the women holding it down.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I peeked in and then I went and watched Temptations.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I was like, yeah, this year, not this year. It's
just we always talk about the state of men's college basketball.
It's just in shambles at the moment. So I'm hoping
that they can like get it together because I do
love men's college basketball. The tournament is supposed to be
the most exciting time of the year, especially in men's
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college basketball, so hopefully they can get it together. But
the women are holding it down, and there's actually games
going on right as we're recording. Texas is beating the
crap out of Illinois and NC State beat the crap
out of Michigan State. So congrats to them. And I'm
going to the USC game tonight. Oh that's the BET Awards,
(03:45):
I beat, Mariah. That is not how I wanted to
segue into this part of the episode. But here we are.
We're here now, We're here now, And yeah, I will
be at the BET Awards and I will be dressing
Tom pressed because I guess that's what they're doing out
here in LA is showing up like an awards show.
(04:05):
So Mariah, can you please for people that are lost
about that statement, can we please provide some context to
our listeners to why you? Of course, the USC women's
basketball game of the.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Bt okay, So if you guys haven't heard already.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Holli Row, who is a longtime ESPN sideline reporter, like well,
renowned in that space and doing this for years, was
reporting on a USC basketball game this weekend and Juju
Watkins was playing. She's talking about how Juju is such
a star and she's brought the stars out and then
goes on to say that she was at a game
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last year where USD was playing, and it felt like
she was at the BET Awards because all of the culture.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Which is the oh, the community, all of that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Community came out, that community came out to watch her,
and that Juju is a cultural icon. Three flags there
the BET Awards mentioned girl. Why can't it be the
VMA's number two, that community mention and number three the
culture mention.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Come on, Holly, it was, and you know, Holly is
my girl. Holly has been such an avid supporter of
women's basketball before everyone else was. She's been covering us
for years and years and years. So yeah, there was
no malicious intent behind that. I hope we want to
let make that be known right now. We do not
(05:32):
think Holly made any like wasn't trying to be like
mean or anything when she said that, But she has
the history of having some mishaps with things that she says,
being a little bit tone deaf at times. And for us,
like as players, as black women, I think we are
like we're programmed to just be like, ah, just let
it go, just let it go, but like, no, sometimes
(05:55):
I don't want to let it go. And this is
one of those times and Holly, we love you, we
love you down Holly, but like you cannot say things
like that, Like for some reason, I feel like I
don't know why there's like this divisive context and dialogue
that is always surrounding women's basketball, and I don't understand why,
(06:17):
Like why does it have to be this plerson brings
out this group of people, and this person has this
group of people. Why can't they just bring out basketball fans?
Like why is everybody having to be categorized? And it
only happens in women's basketball. Maybe because I'm not tapped
into other sports atmospheres, so I could be incorrect, But
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between men's basketball and women's basketball, which is the two
atmospheres I live in, I've only seen this happen in
women's basketball, and I don't this is the media coverage
that I'm always complaining about, Like it's dumb, because why
can't we just talk about basketball because y'all still learn
not talking about basketball, you're talking about everything else And
(07:04):
I don't under like it's frustrating, especially for someone like Juju,
Like as the world quickly found out, you know, we
do not play about Juju like she's niece to to
the masses. So black, white, polka dot, yellow, red. Everybody
loves Juju because everyone loves the way that she plays basketball.
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So she's actually been able to escape these weird, microaggressive conversations,
and for some reason, they're trying to place those on
her right now. And I would like, we're stopping that.
We're not allowing that because we saw what happened when
they did that to the last group and it turned
into something very nasty. We can't allow that to happen again.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
What I will say is we do.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
This does come up with people in sports in general
trying to be divisive when it comes to audiences. For example,
the first thing that pops into I had is in
the NBA the Celtics fan bases face like what assume
for them to be like? That comes up a lot,
I think because people like controversy in sports. My thing
with Hally's particular comment is just you can't ignore how
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microaggressive it was. Because I'm not running around comparing stuff
to the BT Awards, like I'm a black person. I
don't think about the BAT Awards that that was bad.
I think that in part it's because people, Oh, we're
so not used to having celebrity audiences at these games
and blah.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Blah blah blah blah. But I think the BT Awards thing.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Is what makes it unescapable because it's not like black
people have been mad at the BT Awards for the
last time. That's what I was talking about.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
We don't even like the BT Awards, no war, because
not even are they now They're a mess.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Right, So I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I think Holly just got a little too comfortable, you
know what I'm saying, got a little excited, and in
part when something like that happens, the sad part is,
like you were saying, it takes away from anything and
everything else that happen during the game, because that was
so wild.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And the awkward silence following that statement was so loud.
I got secondhand embarrassment because I'm like, I know they
heard that, and they were like, oh yeah, well where
do we go from here? So what now, Holly? What now?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I've eaten my words one or two or three seven times,
so I understand how that feels. I hope that they
don't attack her too bad. I hope she learns from this.
She's I've never seen her be anything but an ally,
so I think this she'll have a good response slash apology.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
To this whole situation. It should. I honestly think it's funny.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
No, it was. It was hilarious. But I was like,
I was thinking back from when Dion Sanders and all
of them got to Colorado. They said I think they
said the exact same comment about the Colorado football games
that it looked like the BET Awards. I don't know
who said it. I think it might have been like
a black person that said it, so that made it
a bit more acceptable, But even then, that's still a
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weird thing to say.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Like, but also the other words show that other remy.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Are there any other mass gatherings of black people outside
the BET Awards? No?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But they.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Is the only place that black people gather.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Is that I'm trying to think of stereotypically where a
white person would like a lot of black people gather,
And the first thing that poppup my head is so
bad as a basketball game.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So I'm like, right, why is it so shocking that.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
They're exactly where they should be at sporting events? But
I was like, now that that's come up twice, I'm like,
that's what y'all think of us just anytime any black
people of any type of anything, whatever celebrity status, sach area,
we're at the BT.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Awards, beyond a JZ, don't even go to the BET.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Awards, Hello, talk about it. So, okay, we love you
Holley though. We love you Holly though, but watch.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
The mouth while we're being controversial and talking about like
divisive conversation in women's basketball. I'm curious to hear what
you thought about Cam Newton's comments about ratings.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Ravel my gosh, you know it's so crazy. Literally was
just talking to my mom on the phone about exactly
what he said. I hadn't even seen that clip yet
when I said it to you, I had like literally
just saw it, and I was like, oh, we got
to talk about this. So for those that haven't seen
the clip, Cam Newton on his podcast was talking about
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how basically he was like Juju isn't getting the hype
and conversation like Caitlyn Clark did because she doesn't have
an arch nemesis. He proceeded to call Caitlin Clark the
good girl, and he called Angel Rees and FLA J.
Johnson the bad girls, which I stopped listening after that,
(11:47):
because huh, what makes them bad girls? Like because they
play hard, because they celebrate hard. Like I just thought
that was an odd thing for him to say, Like
I understood where he was coming from, Like this is
not like he getting canceled off of this, like he
can't ever talk about women's basketball, but it's just like basically,
(12:08):
it was just like there's no villain in women's college
basketball right now, and I'm just like, but why does
there have to be one? Like when did that become
a thing?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I listened to the full clip because you know, yep,
I got to listen to the whole thing or I
so I can form my full opinion.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Because people do that to us. And basically he was
trying to say.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I understood what he was trying to say in the
sense where he was like, wait, let's back it up.
Juju not getting the same hype as Kaitlyn Clark. Juju
is getting a lot of high.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
She was on a niney commercials during the Super Bowl.
What more do you need? What more do you want?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It? Yeah, I don't know what he's talking about there,
but as far as the good girl bad girl thing,
I think he was more so referring to something that
we talk about all the time, and it was the
media narrative that Caitlyn Clark is this angel that needed
to be saved from Angel Rees Flawge, the lends the
bad girls, and because they don't have that the bad
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girls in college basketball right now, people aren't quote unquote
paying attention, which is like.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
But I've I said it before. The media covers the
last two years was full of shit because there is
high level basketball being played still and LSU is still
very good and Flage is still on that team. So she,
to me, doesn't exude that energy anyway. Like Flage is
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like a very upbeat, positive person.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
That's what I think. I've seen a villain.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, like she doesn't really give villain energy, but I don't.
I also don't think Angel Reese like has that energy either.
I think that's how she that's her, how she plays.
Just her style of play is just very aggressive compared
to the counterpart, which is more three pointers and all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
What I was gonna say about that is I think
what cam New was getting at is a deeper conversation
and the reason why what he said came off a
little bit annoying is because he didn't quite go there.
And that's that Angel Reeson didn't ask to be a villain.
She was made to be a villain and she just
embraced it, which was smart of her. But she didn't
she did this that isn't villain behavior. She didn't punch
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Caitlin in the face like it's and I talked about
this on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
It's this. Honestly, I'm gonna make it a race issue.
Oh my god, it come at me.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
But it's this narrative of like the white girl that
needs to be saved and the black person that's the victim,
and everybody falls in love with this person because they're like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Everyone's so mean to you.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I'm gonna support you, and then everybody falls in love
with it, which is exactly what happened last year. I
think it felt so much bigger and so much polarizing
because political figures were talking about Angel and the barstool
guy was calling Angel a classless piece of shit, and
it became this bigger conversation, whereas is it a bad
thing that we don't have that?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Juju's making money shr faces everywhere, She's getting the hype
and she's not getting treated the way Angel was or
the way Caitlin was.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Because I don't envy that either.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Exactly, because I don't think. I don't. Yeah, I think
they both were put in an awful situation for being
twenty one and twenty two years old. So I don't
think that either one of them. Like you said, I
don't envy either one of their situations. I think they've
both handled it in their own ways, and I think
they've both handled it extremely well considering how young they are.
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But also saying that, I'm just like Kim New, how
many games, how you've been to? How many tickets have
you bought? For you to be just sit there and
be comfortable speaking so openly about it, Like I appreciate
the interest, but I just feel like that in a
nutshell is just like what is going on? Like people
have so much to say about it, but like they
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don't go to games, they don't buy tickets, they don't
buy merch, Like, so what exactly is your reasoning for
speaking on it for so much? If you quote unquote
don't really like it that much, but all y'all do
is talk about it.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, outside of that, it's like part of the problem
is the fact that people like Cam Newton with these
big platforms are speaking on it. In the sense it's
the same thing that was kind of happening with the
NBA at the beginning of the season, where it's if
you're gonna talk about it, don't keep perpetuating this narrative
that it's doing so bad because x y Z or
nobody's watching because x y Z.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That is nothing for the game.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, like, look at the numbers this year. They're still
high as hell viewership.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I agree that rivalries bring ratings and sports. That's the
reason we were talking about this and we got torn
up about the NBA's profit issue and how they get.
The way the NBA became profitable was because.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Of the bird Magic rivalry.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So rivalries do bring ratings, but there are still rivalries
in women's basketball, is my whole point. You could you
could market USC UCLA that was a rivalry.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Why aren't you talking about that?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Juju did have top five teams the entire season. That is, right,
the definition of a rivalry that y'all could have hyped
up anyway y'all wanted to, and y'all chose not to. Right,
and now it's what good girl, bad girl? No, how
about really talented group of players another really talented group
of players that are beating up on each other the
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entire season? That rivalry was they did that. They did
a disservice to that rivalry this season because it was
so good and we haven't seen a USC and UCLA team,
both of them being this good in a long time.
So I think the media dropped the ball for sure
on that rivalry this entire season.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
But you know what, hear me out, LEXI, let me
say the quiet heart out loud. Hear me out, LEXI
follow me here, Okay, when I'm thinking about the good
girl bad girl thing, right, follow me?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
What made Angelies a bad girl?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Quote unquote was this which I wouldn't even qualify as
taught trash shocking?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
This is really just whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
But if you want to call literally John Cena, can
we please? Right?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
So, what made Injuries a villain and Caitlin of victim
was this good girl backgirl?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But then we have this year.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
When I think of the trash talkers that are left,
I think of Haley Vanlyth. She's a trash hocker, right,
page Beckers, she talks trash.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, so why why aren't they bad girls? Right?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
But but Juju is more chill, and you know, she
doesn't even really get it into the mix like that,
Like she just goes out and plays in her game,
but you're not you're not calling her a good girl.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So so why can't.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Why can't pay right? Why can't you do girl exactly exactly?
Like there can be good girls and bad girls, but
you all want them to be your good girls and
back girls the way y'all think of girl girl and
back girls. So why is your version of a good
girl versus a bad girl just a very stereotypical archetype
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that we're trying to get out of. Is twenty twenty five?
What are we doing well?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
They also wanted to be handed to them because in
order to know that these rivalries still exist and good
girls bad girls, that these things are still happening, they
would actually have to watch the games and not just
see a huge blow up like Angel Reesa and Caitlin Clark.
They would have to have to actually have to search
for these and they don't want to do that.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Which even this good girl bad girl thing like that
wasn't even a thing when they were in college. This
good girl thing that happened because of what happened in
the summertime with the rookie stuff. So they're using what
happened just recently and rewriting history a little bit in
college because no one was walking around thinking that, oh,
poor Kaitlyn. Kaitlyn was whooping everybody's.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Ass and she was try talking like no, she.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Was like the trash talker that everybody loved, like we
all loved it. She was entertaining as shit. People are
using recency bias to rewrite history because ain't nobody thought
they was good girls or bad girls like those are
just the two teams that were playing at a high
level and running through everybody, the defending national champs. Of
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course you're going to talk about them. Where is the
energy for South Carolina? I am still asking at a
loss for words at he even mentioned Staley in his
little ring, right. I don't really even know what point
he was trying to make with that, but he was like,
she's she's unconventional and she's gonna pop her shit and
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da da dad and people respect her, which, yeah, she's
earned that, right.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I took that as he was saying that there's not
really like, yeah, she comes out with the fits and
the Louis and whatever, but there's not really anything to
hang your hat on with her as far as being
polariz Why can't kim Oki be the villain coach? I
don't understand, Like, I don't like, why are people acting
like it's less entertaining. The only thing that's gone is
Angel and Caitlin.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It's still entertaining.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
It's still entertaining. The games have been incredible. This season
was incredible. Juju has been incredible.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Lexi, I have to ask you why when it comes
to South Carolina this has been the case for years years,
Why when it comes to South Carolina, it's like nobody
really talks about the girls on the team, Like Down
is the face of that team. Nobody talks about the
girls that are actually playing on the team.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I mean, it's giving you a bit real. But Page,
no one's bigger than the program, right, Page was a
superstar before she got there, so like Cover of Slam
and all that kind of stuff out of high school,
like Paige was doing things that no one was doing
in high school. In case everybody forgot about that, I
know it was a long time ago, but Page was
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coming in like on some different type of time and
still decided to go to Yukon knowing that people typically
aren't bigger than the program. So the fact that she's
been able to sustain the celebrity and play at a
high level even though she's been injured, like very impressive.
The energy the lack of energy for South Carolina. I mean,
I think it's like the same thing that we're seeing
in the MVP race of the NBA, Like people just
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get bored with greatness. And I don't know why watching
someone be great is so fun. It should inspire you,
it should empower you. You shouldn't ever be bored with
someone just continuing to be great, especially when they work
really hard at it. But yes, Don is definitely the
face of South Carolina. And then I think Asia Wilson
is I think Asian Wilson is still also the face
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of South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Right and same with Asia, Like you don't really see
that with her, Like people don't get bored with her
being great. I think I don't know who you're referring
to or you're offering it in the NBA Jason Tatum,
because that's a whole different thing because Jason Tatum talking.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
About they're boring, like not coming at y'all. But I'm just.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Saying vero much, Jason Tatum, I actually really like it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's a whole conversation for a whole other day.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
But I think that like what people consider to be
boring and an athlete is so unfair.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Like so unfair. Okay, Sorry, I'm really good and unproblematic
and I love playing basketball. Sorry, I'm that bores y'all.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Like, I'm sorry you want to drag Anthony Edwards it
being in the face of the NBA, even though he
touched down and post a homophobic story. Then forgot about
seventeen I forgot gotten seventeen women pregnant this year, always
in trouble, always get it fine for cussing.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't got a problem with aunt.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Go dogs, But like my problem is is, like, so
you want to make him the face of and be
like cool, everyone's more drawn to that.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Jason Tatum hasn't done nothing but be great. And when
he said when unproblematic, he's marketable as hell, He's won championships,
stays out of trouble. It's respectful any place for like
one of the most historic iconic franchises in the universe
of sports. So yeah, we are in like a never
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ending moving of goalposts. Like that's what I've I've boiled
it down to that, like goalposts just get moved constantly
and you just kind of have to adapt to that
and figure it out. But I mean, even them giving
South Carolina the last number one seed, it's just like wow, why.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And I hate that they don't got to explain. I
mean they're like, oh, this, this is the resume, the
strength of schedule, and da da da da. But okay,
like at the end of the day, like the committee,
y'all are not robots. Y'all can put anybody wherever y'all want, honestly,
So the fact that y'all fixed y'all's little hands when
you were writing out the bracket and you made it
South Caroline of the last one seed is crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
So do you think that the nobody, no one's bigger
than the program.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
School slash teams?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Like what would you what do you think is better
being a note? Like I guess it depends on the
school and the team that you're working with, But I
can't really figure out what would work better because it's
like it does kind of work when there is a
face for ratings wise, but as far as winning, Dawn
has proved that the nobody's bigger than the program thing
is working. As far as whin, yeah, because Caitlyn didn't win,
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I'm an angel one.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
But yeah for me now, like I don't really know
now because the NIL stuff has just changed everything. People
are prioritizing different things and that's okay. These are the
decisions you make when you're a pro, though, like I
want to win now or do I want to get
paid now? Or do I want to win now and
then hopefully when I win, I'll get paid later. Like
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you weren't, that's not what you were thinking about in
college five years ago. You were like where can I win?
Where can I get the most visibility so I can
make it to the next level, Or if you're not
interested in being a pro, where can I go to
get the best education I can and be in a
good environment for my future. There's like so many different
things now moving parts and people deciding on what schools
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are going to and what's what they're valuing while they're there.
So honestly, like, I don't have an answer for that,
and you know, I can't even name the I can't
even name who won the national championship five years ago, honestly, Like, yeah,
I think that winning is important. Yes, you want to
have winners on your team, but at the end of
the day, only one team can win. So when you're
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putting things in prioritization, what you're prioritizing, like, yeah, we're
going to see more players prioritize themselves, and I think
that's not good for the whole state of college as
a whole. But I'm never gonna be mad at these
players finally getting what they deserve because of all the
money that the NCAA has made of our blood, sweat
and tears.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Fair I mean, it's it's children in college having to
make professional decisions. Like they're making the decisions you're making,
which is really concerning, but it's.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Crazy, Like and I struggle with making these decisions now
I'm thirty, like these girls are eighteen and nineteen. I mean,
I think we always are talking about Haley van Litt
because like she's like she's going to be like the
like the case study of like nil gone horrible and
then back right, Like what that process looks like for
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a player, like a really really good player so you know,
her being able to find her way after the fact.
Like I think, yes, that COVID year saved her because
if last year was her last year, she would have
been out shit out of luck.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
So I'm happy that she had that addition year to
get her her career back on track because she deserved that.
But that's not going to be the case. COVID year
is over, and I think people forgot about that too.
Everybody who was in school at that time got in
a whole extra year of college, so it kind of
like threw everything off office tracks a little bit. But
now like, okay, everyone's back to playing their fourth season
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four years of college. This transferring has gotten out of
freaking control, and like, I don't know what it's going
to look like now because like now we're done with
the five year players. So we also have never seen
that before, five players getting five whole seasons. Because I
know COVID it cut the season short, but ninety nine
percent of the teams their seasons were over by the
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time COVID happened. Y'all wasn't making the tournament. Y'all wasn't
y'all was gonna lose first round and y'all, conference, your
season was done. So yes, I feel I felt horrible
for those players that really had a chance to win
a national championship or win a conference championship and that
got cut short. Absolutely feel bad for them, but the
season was over. So that extra year to me, I
(28:01):
was like, y'all, y'all looked out with that one, because y'all,
y'all played an entire season of basketball before COVID hit.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Well, my sister was getting recruited last year, and it
was like, as far as recruiting goes for incoming freshmen.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
They kind of got screwed with.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Schools being my sister, Why want not just get.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Somebody out of the portal or keep a senior we
already have who already knows our system, Yeah, and get
a freshman and group like that doesn't even make any.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Sense, I mean, And it's trickling down now too, like
even now without even without the COVID year, now, like
it's just trickling down. Like I feel so bad for
the high school transfer portal. I feel so bad for
high school kids. And now even with them possibly changing
the junior college rule and eligibility stuff, like what do
they want these high school kids to do. Yeah, like
(28:50):
and even for us, like our tournament, yeah, we typically
have like our Sweet sixteen elite eate are typically from
like the Power five conferences. Like that's not new in
women's basketball, but I'm pretty sure I saw grab today
that said the men they only have representation from four conferences,
so they're like the Cinderella era is over, which I
mean technically like Cinderella's is like a rare thing, Like
(29:12):
you're not supposed to have a lot of Cinderellas anyway,
because that's why they call them Cinderellas, because they're not supposed.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
To be there exactly.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
But I mean it's changing the landscape of everything. Like
we said in our last episode with Elizabeth, was how
people are going to start gravitating to these four conferences
and these middle mid major, low major schools are going
to become like pipelines like the new prep schools.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
We have a lot to get into. So I'm gonna
segue a little bit because I have to hear your
thoughts on the top ten the Fox Sports on top
Oh my god, all time women's college basketball players. I'm
going to read the list for our audience before you
give your thoughts. Just for people who are listening who
haven't seen the list quite yet, it's a doozy So okay,
(29:56):
that ten, they've got Lynette Woodard.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Nine, nine.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Sorry they have Asians, all right. I hadn't really seen
behind beyond the top five. In the ninth spot they
have Asia Wilson, and the eighth spot they have Kandice Parker,
seventh and pretty grinds.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
It gets worse, guys, it gets worse six maya more.
Why come the fifth.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Jamik Holds Cloud and fourth Cheryl Miller and third Diana Tarassi,
in second Caitlyn Clark and at first Breonna Stewart.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Okay, let me just let's start with this. All ten
of those players are deserving to be in conversations of
some of the best college basketball players that we've ever seen. Okay,
we're gonna start there. There's a lot of those. It's
not just ten of them.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
You go, like, see, because when we get clipped, they
not including that.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, they're not including that. So when they go watch it,
we can be like, no, they're all so amazing and whatever,
like there was no this. So I feel about lists.
They're dumb. They're stupid, and they're only made to get
responses and reactions and bickering from people. And that's exactly
what Fox. When the heit When was the last time
(31:13):
they posted anything women's basketball related, let alone giving us
an entire top ten women's college basketball players list in
the middle of the NCAA tournament. All these amazing things
happening within the tournament of current players, and this is
what you decide to drop in the middle of March madness. Fox,
Please please be serious for once in your life and
(31:36):
stop trying to make everybody argue about women's college basketball
every freaking day of the year. Maya More. You know what,
I could go on a really long tangent about this list.
Maya More being at six is all I needed to
see is to see that that list was bullshit.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Also, I didn't I realized I didn't read the honorable
mentions Kelsey Plumps, Renna Unascu, Elena del don Shaw swoops,
and Rebecca Lobo.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
What is even the point of that?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
My sister like rants about this all the time, and
I've never said this in public, but can we stop?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Actually, Like Kayla Clark won a championship, she didn't.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I down I Love in that top five, Brianna Stewart
four time champ, Diana Trossi two time national champion, Scheryl
Miller two time national champ, Smi coles Claw three time
national champ, and then Myn More at six, two time
national champion. I feel like to be as one of
the greats, you have to win a national championship, like
that's the first. Because if we're talking about scoring, then
(32:39):
you gotta throw Kelsey Mitchell in there because you have
the other two scores, you have Plumbing in the honorable mention,
and you got Kaitlin in the top five. Where's Kelsey Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I'm tired of the Kelsey Mitchell disrespect. I'm gonna say that.
I say it all the time. It's disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
In any men's sport, they would never put somebody who
has one not won a championship in the top ten. Ever, No,
like on any platform, on any list, they would never
put somebody.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I will say I might have I might have seen
a list with like a Jimmer for debt on there.
I don't know, I might have made that up. But
like every time college who like great college anything, Jimmy
forre Dead is always thrown in there, and now that
I'm thinking about it, like Caitlin Clark is like our
Jimmer for debt low key, but she's yeah, she won.
(33:29):
I think I don't even know like what like he
did in his conference and all that stuff. But like
when the tournament came around, everyone was like it's Jimmifred
at time, Like it's time to watch Gimmer in the tournament.
So yeah, I don't know, like she's top five, top
ten and something, but like all time, like these are
(33:51):
one like two three four time national champs that we
have in this list. These are three four time player
of the years.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
And I'm sorry it's especially since women have more time,
like and the men's If you go to the NBA,
you only got one year for men, So I understand
their listening.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
So their list looks different than a women's or a
women's list.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
If you don't win a championship, that's on you. You
have plenty of opportunity.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
You're not on the list. I'm sorry. If the list
was the most influential.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Cool, oh, absolutely best scoring, best starars we've seen, okay,
but the greatest, not all time. Like I said, this
is no disrespect to anybody on this list whatsoever. The
list is extremely valid, but y'all lost me at Mayamore
being number six. Yeah, that's really where y'all lost me, honestly,
(34:39):
and then I didn't care about the rest of the
list after that. So I'm like, I know she's been
gone for a while, guys, but come on now, just
watch some mind more highlights please. All you need to
watch is them, about a minute of them.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Do you agree that Stewie is the best though than
a number one?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
See? But that's the thing about this list, I don't
I don't know what the what the requirements to get
on the list was, because you four time player of
the Year, four time national champion at one, and then
you have.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But based on your assessment, like based on what you
think would make the greatest women's basket college basketball player.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh yeah, if I were to like make my own list, yes,
Stewie would be one based on her play, her accolades.
Like she's like consensus one.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I agree. I think that's the only thing that that
made sense on the whole thing was.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, like she's consensus number one as far as like
college player. I feel like even sometimes people let like
people's pro careers affect how we talk about people's college careers,
which has for me, for example, has worked in the
opposite way. They look at my pro career and they're like, oh,
you must have been trash in college too then, but like, no,
(35:52):
I wasn't. I'm not trash now, okay, guys, but like
I definitely wasn't trash in college. But it's works. It
works both ways. So yeah, shout out to my follower. Sometimes,
you know, you got to peek into your request see
what's going on in there. This guy sent me the
list and he was like, I want you to talk
about this on gills and I was like, no, I'm
going to talk about it online. Yeah, So yeah, shout
(36:13):
out to homeboy and my request. I appreciate you sending
me this list because I did not see it. And
when he said it to me, I said, oh, yeah,
we definitely need to talk about this. I think. Another
thing I wanted to mention was the amount of commercials
that we've seen. Everybody in I haven't seen any boy
(36:34):
Hoopers and any of these commercials except for Cooper Flag
and the rest has been the girly pops.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
To be fair, I don't know who really any of
them are.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
So I've been living for these commercials. It's Juju, then
its Page, then it's Flage, then it's the South Carolina team.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
That's why I don't unershore why people are saying that
they're not getting hype or people don't know them, or
that at.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Bell off because I'm like that I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I've said the seven million times who the men's players
are right now? No fens, but I know like plenty
of the world. Like if I think if you ask
people to name five college basketball players, women's and men's,
they will be able to name five women before they
can name it for sure.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
The average person on the street or your name, name
five players still playing in the tournament right now? Like
are they trying to like stir the pot? Like yes,
what agendas are they trying to push like a Cam
Newton in all them? Like what how do you benefit
in your conversation and how do you think we benefit
if you want us to have these weird rivalries that
have nothing to do with basketball.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
It's the same thing that Steven A. Smith does on
first take. They have to mention women's college basketball, right,
they have to women mention women's basketball, and they don't
know what's actually going on on the court. Therefore they
pull out a little hot topic discourse which always has
something to do with Kaitlyn Clark, and then they.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Talk about that so they could check it off their
But okay, we mentioned women's basketball. Okay, cool, Yeah, we
can move on. That's the reason why.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I mean, that's all they know how to talk about,
all they know talk about. And we said it earlier
in the show, like what is happening to Kaitlin Clark
on the other side of this is also not okay?
Like I don't like leave her alone, right, Like, I
know we talk about her, but like we talk about
her because we think she's amazing and she's such a
great player, and now she's in our she's in my
sisterhood and this is a WNA women's college basketball show
(38:21):
and for some reason, nobody knows how to talk about
women's basketball without mentioning her or angel which I think
that's a that's a credit to them because how impactful
they were. But to say that this, I mean, we
said there has been a lack of narratives, there's been
a lack of storylines. But like y'alll of media. I mean,
I want to't call Cam media. He does like what
(38:42):
I do, but like the big media platforms like y'all
have all the resources and energy in the world to
push these narratives the way you want to, and y'all
have chosen to not push any really, and now you're complaining.
I'm just like, that doesn't make sense. And not even
with the the hot takes think pieces. They're doing it
with the men's game now too. Now everything oh nil
(39:05):
is ruining basketball and the transfer proto is ruining basketball
instead of just talking about the games. So it's happening.
Everythingople getting lazy, it's giving lazy.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Speaking of a hot topic this year, though, I want
to know your thoughts on Juju and Jada Daniels.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
See. Don't you know, I don't have any thoughts about it,
you know, because there's none of my freaking business. But
the fact that they had an entire segment dedicated to
it on TV was weird.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I thought that was so because I wanted to know
what everybody was talking about. Because this morning, when I
love back on from being off the grid this weekend,
that's the first thing I kept seeing, and I was
like that in the damn four am morning routine, which
is a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
But you're off Twitter. Have you seen that girl?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
No, I'm living in Alexi, La la lamb, and it's
been so great. The only reason why I saw the
Holly Road thing was because my friend sent it to me.
We'll I'll send you the morning routinable again that next week.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
But basically I kept seeing things about Juju and they
were like basically insinuating that she was flirting with him,
or like I did see one tweet that was funny
that was like, Juju, don't even open her eyes on
the course she want to see him.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
She got her eyes over for him. That sent me
into the moon.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
But imagine being a college girl and you're like talking
to a guy.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I don't even know if she was flirting with him.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I don't know what their situation is, but and people
are videoing it and like analyzing you.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Not even video like this, guys. This was not like
someone's iPhone thing that's like, you know how people like
randomly post things. This was like the four k ESPN
cameras all in their mouth, all in their face, like
y'all are rude. And now y'all want to play matchmaker?
You weirdos? What do we doing?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
But like, so you know, you know that's not why
the cliffs gone viral. So I have to asked you
about the mama.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Did you see that or when she sat it between them? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Did you think that was weird?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Like? Because okay for contacts for those listening, because we're
going off out a tangent.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I don't know if everybody has to talking about.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
So basically, a clip of Juju and Jadon Daniels came
out of the game based on what the ESPN camera saw.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
It's not my fault. I saw it. It was giving
googly eyes.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
You know, they were talking real intently, and then the
next clip is his mom coming to sit down and
sits in between them, and Juju's looking unbothered and uninterested
and looking at the game or whatever. So everybody who's
been kind of saying his mom will let anybody around him,
basically because his mom, I think what he was being drafted.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Isn't she his manager?
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I don't know, but she's really very mo she's mamas.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, she was asked what she was the most afraid
of with him being a professional and she said girls.
She said, there's a girl at home right now with
a Jade and Daniels poster, and she's she just thinks
she's gonna get him, but nobody's getting my son.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
So that's why people were like, she won't let any girls,
not even juju around around her son. But I don't
know if I don't know if it was like that,
because anyone was.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Like, okay, the context of it, like it absolutely could
be harmless, and it could not be harmless. But again,
like I said, none of our business. So yes, the
fact that the mom already has that reputation and she's
vocally said, ain't nobody give my baby, didn't do that,
everyone would be like, oh, so it's cap she had
(42:23):
a stand on business in that moment in time. To
be fair, she's right to be scared.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
So not.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
It's treacherous out here.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
But yeah, if anything, the reason I think that it
was harmless is because if there's anybody you don't need
to be worried about being around your son, it's a
woman who is already a professional athlete herself, already a
millionaire herself at nineteen, and she don't need nothing.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Got the whole world looking at her right, But yeah,
shout out to the cameraman who captured that, because what
was it during a game? It was during a game, like, yeah,
was it going into commercial break?
Speaker 1 (43:03):
And Cam Doon try to say, nobody cares about Juju, Cam,
we don't play about that girl.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
The world does not play about Juju. I think circling
back to this good Girl, Bad Girl, Da da da da, like,
I think we're finally out of place in women's basketball,
finally where people are just simply appreciating the way that
we play basketball as women, and we haven't always gotten
that respect. Like people genuinely enjoy watching Juju play basketball,
(43:32):
and I think that's how it was with Caitlyn too.
People really love watching her hoop. I remember, I remember
when I first started watching her when she was a
freshman in Iowa. I loved watching her play basketball. And
I feel that way about a lot of people who
hoop men and women, because I just love watching good basketball.
So I'm glad that Like when he says something like that,
people are just kind of like, what are you even
(43:53):
talking about, Like why can't you just appreciate Juju for
the amazing player that she is and the fact that
every body likes watching her, and I think that's like
gonna be the next stepping stone for us. And women's
basketball is this division. We don't want it. We don't
want that. That's not what the WNBA stands for, it's
not what these universities stand for. Sports is the great uniter,
(44:16):
and for some reason, people are working over time for
it to like do the opposite when sports is what
brings people together, all types of people together. And I
think that's a heavy crown for Juju to wear. So
we will protect her at all costs. Okay, Juju, get
behind us. We're not gonna let these crazy people put
(44:37):
their weird narratives on you that you do not deserve
because all you do is put your head down in
work and win.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Well, I'll say that's one of the nice things about
the Juju page era, like post Angel Kaitlin, is that
nobody's really trying to make it about any time.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
We're talking about it like a fucking war, right, Oh,
heavy it was.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
It was a war.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
We had a fire for lives to make it through
last summer. Man.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
But well, I think that I honestly an unpopular opinion.
I know it was really hard for both of them.
At the end of the day, I think that it
was a good thing for women's sports in general, not
just basketball. So now, okay, how do we take that
momentum and move it into the next era. I think
the best possible thing is a juju who's not really
in the media for anything other than damn talking to
(45:25):
Jayda Daniels and being on Nike commercials and a page
who Yeah, she talks our shit blah blah blah, but she,
like you said, she's been a celebrity since high school.
So people are gonna pay attention to them regardless for
how they perform on the court.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
So that is a good thing for that to be
the next step.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yeah, I don't think we need to be.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Complaining because it's not controversial or a fight.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Controversy cells, yes, but so does good basketball. And if
you guys were watching any of these games this weekend,
those arenas were filled. Honey. It was so beautiful to
see all these people coming out to support women's basketball
this year. And I know the summer is going to
be This tournament is lit. The final four, You're gonna
be lit. I'm so excited that we get to go.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
That's what I was gonna conclude with y'all if you're
still listening, that means that you love us. So you
need to come out to the Final four because I
believe we'll be doing a live tape bang and me
and Lexi.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Will be there and it'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
So yeah, come hang, Come hang with us in Tampa
and tap into this podcast live and in person. Thanks
for sticking with us. Today was a long one, but
it was a fun one. So we will see y'all
next week the Full Circle Podcast. Bye.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Thanks for listening to Full Circle.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
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