Trade Tea, Twitter Fingers, and Of Course Some March Madness

On this episode of Full Circle, Lexie Brown and Mariah Rose break down the aftermath of Selection Sunday and dive into the top seeds and potential matchups in the women’s NCAA Tournament. The duo discuss their disappointment in how their interview with an NBA show was clipped for social media, plus Lexie announces her decision to step away from X. They also take a deep dive into the future of NCAA stars, speculating on who’s set to shine later this month. And don’t miss their thoughts on Natasha Cloud’s move to the New York Liberty. Tune in next week to hear more basketball by the girls, for the girls.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of the Full Circle Podcast.
I'm Lexi Brown here with my girl Mariah Rose. Welcome, Hey,
lex Hey girl. We are fresh off of selection Sunday,
so we have a lot to get into. But first
let's do a little ketchup. Sash, and I'm gonna start
with you because you were just on the freaking Jennifer

(00:32):
Hudson Show and didn't tell anybody about that, so please
tell me how that happened, how that was. I was
on the show last year with some of my former
teammates and it was a blast, So I want to
know what your experience was. That was amazing, It was awesome.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
They treat you like you're freaking beyond it, Like you
get a dressing room, next that you have your own person. Yeah,
snacks and your own I was eating plantain chips and
they walked in and then that the plantain ships will
replace spirit time. I came back having my makeup dead
chep like they were so nice. Everybody was so kind.
I was just joking on TikTok about. Everybody keeps commenting

(01:09):
and they're like, can't wait to see your spirit tunnel.
I'm like, girl, I didn't get a spirit tunnel.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I was gonna ask you didn't get a spirit We
didn't get one either. I don't think that was a
thing yet. I was like, can we go back so
we can get a spirit tunnel?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
The main guest whatever, like actual big celebrity is there.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
You deserved a spirit tunnel?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Thank you. No, it's okay. I I didn't need one. However,
I was ready just.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
You were just I was just I was wacking you.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
No, but it was amazing. Everybody keeps saying, girl, you
didn't tell me like you were like, You're like you
didn't secret. I'm like, how, I'm so weird about that stuff,
Like what am I supposed to say? So you're an athlete,
everything you do gets announced with a pretty little graphic
LEXI going to a new team, I would have to
make it. Hey, guys, guess what.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Wait, that's funny that you said that, because literally yesterday
on X I saw a man someone was making fun
of this guy because he made a graphic announcing that
he was going to be a pe teacher and he managed.
I was like, yeah, hell yeah, you should be excited
for getting a new job and a new opportunity. I
feel like more people should do that.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Actually, no, I'm going to start normalizing normal guys. Go
on to a new.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Job, make a graphic. Canvo committed exactly. Canva is free
and it's very fun to use. And I think that
more people should announce their achievements and relocations and if
they feel like it. But I think that would be
a cool thing now that I'm thinking about it. Small victories.
You got to celebrate the small wins.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
It was a fun experience. It was I was like
starstruck with Jennifer Hudson. It was special.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
So she was a lot taller than I was expecting.
She's like my high she I.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Didn't even think of that until you just said that.
But she was like, I don't know what I expected her.
How tall I expected her to be.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
She gives tallish, but you know that's like when you're
tall in Hollywood, that's still pretty short. But now she's
a legit tall person for a celebrity. Yes, but yeah,
you look so cute on there. I was very happy
when I saw that. I was like, oh my god,
Mari was on Jennifer Hudson's show. So I think that
was really that was really amazing for you and us.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, exactly for us.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Your wins are not my wins. I hope you know that.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Oh, of course, now we need a whole press tour.
Now we need to go on the late night shows, and.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
We need to do everything. It's funny. I'm going on
an NBA show this weekend. And he was like basically saying,
it's like you want a press ray, I'll want a
press run right now. Speaking of the last podcast we
were on, which was amazing by the way, with the ringer.
Did you see the video that they put up? Did
you see it? No? Okay, so I didn't see it,

(03:48):
and somebody my dms started coming. Sometimes I go in there,
sometimes certain ones pop up, and I usually don't go
on my request, But for some reason I went in
there and people were in there like being mean as
about like calling me stupid and all this stuff, and
I was like, wait, what did I do? It was
from that conversation and remember when we were talking about
the CBA, they like clipped like a thirty second thing

(04:12):
about how we should be demanding more money. When I
was like, if you're doing well in your job, you're
gonna ask for a raise. They clipped that and put
it on the Ringer NBA page. Mariah No. Most viewed
video in weeks. It had like three thousand shares and
they had to turn the comments off. So I first

(04:33):
before I spaz on people, because especially I'm gonna do
this more too. I don't like when these big platforms
irresponsibly post things and then they're shocked at the response,
or they pretend to be shocked at the response. Y'all
knew exactly what type of response y'all were gonna get
posting that shit like all the stuff we talked about

(04:55):
in the three hours we were on that damn show,
because it felt like we were on there for three hours.
That's the small conversation y'all decide to post because there's
a little bit of outrage about our CBA negotiations right now.
So I look through their page first. Almost no w
content at all on there, and the few ones that
were on there didn't really have any views or comments

(05:18):
or anything. So I DM them and I said take
this down, I said, because if y'all are gonna be
in the comments fighting back, then take this down, because
now you've opened me and Mariah up to all this
weird energy because y'all don't want it on y'all's page,
So now they're just sending it to me. Now I'm
just getting it directly. Instead of y'all letting people fight
out in the comments, you've turned them off. Let me

(05:40):
read you what they said back.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Oh my gosh, I didn't even see that, but based
on my memory of the conversation, actually, this has been
something I've been thinking about a lot because people have
been an uproar about Shannon Sharp having that guy on
his podcast who was like problematic to black women and whatever.
There's been a whole thing about podcasts going on on
TikTok right now, and I feel very passionately that if
you are going to comment on something that was clipped

(06:02):
from a podcast, you need to go and watch the
whole episode before you have an avado.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh, that's that's so funny. You said that. I tweeted
that the exact same thing, Like I understand the concept
of clickbait, like everybody understands rage baiting, like that's literally
what social media is thriving on. But you cannot depend
on people to go into the whole. They're gonna click
on the link to the video and see that it's
two hours and gonna be like, I'm not watching this,

(06:28):
or where can I even find the context of this conversation.
I think that rapal and maybe we can start doing
this as well when we clip post a clip and
then in the caption or something, be like, listen to
this conversation at this minute mark or something like that.
Because I thought that our conversation about the CBA negotiations
was very well balanced. It made sense. But they clipped

(06:49):
that little part about you say it doesn't matter if
the WNBA loses money, but like you weren't talking like
we were talking about like how the NBA was No,
they didn't be like that, Bro, I didn't know about that.
Started the clip. I was like, we were literally talking
about how the NBA wasn't profitable for a little bit
as well until players like started, you know, showing up better.

(07:12):
So then once things get better, you asked for better.
So anyway, I sent it to them. I think it
was like a day or two after they had posted it.
They said, really sorry about what transpired with this. It
was never our intention for it to get out of hand.
I said, I don't know if I believe that, but
thank you anyway, because y'all are full of shit. Y'all

(07:32):
are full of shit. Y'all knew what exactly what y'all
was doing. Like, y'all, are they delete it? Yes, they
deleted it because you can't post something like that and
then turn the comments off.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
No, it was like the most viewed video that they
had in like a while. So I haven't seen like
any of these.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
This is so side conversation, any of these like clips
of us that have gone crazy viral on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
No, Like I don't even like the one of us.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Talking about the narrative that the people don't want to
play the fever.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Oh wait, okay, let's go back to that because the
person who posted that on Twitter, and we're gonna we're
gonna get back to Twitter in a second. The person
who posted that on Twitter. I had them blocked because
when I was on Gills when we were talking about
the incoming rookie class, and you know, everyone was on

(08:22):
me about like hating on the rookies and I was
just like, I was not hating on the rookies. I
was telling y'all to stop shitting on the players that
are already in the league. There's like, why can't you
can uplift the rookies without talking about us, Like we
are trash, very simple, and the rookies can come in
and prove themselves, which they did and that's great, like

(08:43):
let's move on. And I've always stood on that, so
I guess for some reason, when we were talking about
how the veterans want to go play with a player
like Kaitlyn Clark, the Kaitlyn Clark brigade got wind of
it and then they were like, we love Lexi and Mariah.
They've they've changed their minds about I was like, nobody
changed their mind, but okay, thanks.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I've gotten torn up for being a Caitlin Clark hater
seven million meters. It's like you can't say anything that
is not and not even criticism, because I'm actually very
careful to not criticize her because I don't want to
deal with it. But you can't say anything that is
not praise about them taking it as an insult. And
it's like that's the thing about clips and taking things

(09:26):
out of context. It's like, not only are we very
real about what's going on with other people, but we're
very real about ourselves, like we know, Like we're not dumb,
we know. And in the the clipping of our Angel
CBA conversation wasn't fair is because that started, I believe,
if I remember the conversation correctly, by us talking about
Angel Reese coming out and saying that the players are

(09:47):
going to sit out if they don't get what they want,
and you basically saying like, yeah, that's like could be,
that's like a worst case scenario, but like that's not
our goal. We're not trying like, hey, give us what
we want or we'll sit out. That's not like we're
not going into it.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, guns blazing right, like, yes there's things that we want.
It look like you are. Yeah, it was very weird
that they posted that. So I had to say something
because I was like, this is irresponsible media coverage that
we always talk about, like y'all just put things out
to get clicks to meet your engagement quota. I guess.
So that was annoying. And yeah, so we're going to

(10:21):
go back to Twitter for a second, and I know
that when people like make announcements of hiatuses and absences,
people are like just go like who cares. But I
am not ever going back to Twitter or x formally Twitter.
I'm not I'm not never going back I deleted it
or threads. Threads is also a hot mess. I the

(10:44):
things that I just read about myself accidentally. My first
step was, you know, let's delete it during the season. Cool.
That helped, like incredible decision that I made to take
to delete it during the season. Then when I came back,
I was like, let's stop searching my name. Let's stop
doing that. That's like self sabotage, self hate, Like, don't

(11:07):
do that. So I stopped doing that, and I would
just keep seeing my name popping up like here and there,
and I'm just like, what is actually wrong with y'all?
Because I really mind my business And people might not
think I mind my business because we have mics and
we're always talking about sports and stuff. But for the
most part, like we're not not for the most part,
we're not disrespectful, we don't spread lies, we don't attack

(11:31):
people's character, and I just feel like my character it's
like they can't figure out, like what exactly they don't
like about me, so they just say weird things and
it's mean, and people are like, you shouldn't You shouldn't
care about what people say, strangers say about you on
the internet. Why not, like you're not supposed to say

(11:51):
just sit around and say mean things about people. And
it's becomes a little bit too normalized for me on
that platform. So I just have to get off of it.
And I hate it because that's literally how I got
to this point was because of my platform on x
slash Twitter, and it is funny and it makes me laugh,

(12:12):
but I just I can't. I can't be on there
anymore because it's it's out of control. You know it too,
like you.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Are one hundred percent valid for not wanting to be
on there. It's the audience is I think if social
media platforms had a face, it would the face of
X would be what the owner of X is like,
like very they don't. They're not the biggest fan of
people like us. So it's like you could be doing
anything walking down the street, talking about basketball, which you

(12:40):
are a professional at, talking about the CBA, which you
are actually in those rooms and in those conversations about
like things that you know a lot about, but they're
still gonna hate. I think that it probably will be
good for you to get off the platform, just because,
particularly with X, they are very disrespectful when it comes
to the WNBA in general. Like the average audience, the

(13:01):
face of X, like I said, isn't somebody who is
very respectful of the w which I don't enjoy. But
my advice for any creators out there who absolutely hate
X X hates me too. My sustent posts. Everything you
see that that comes from me. If you see my
picture and you see it on it's not slash Twitter,
it's not me.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I hate I hate it, And like I haven't even
put any of our clips on there because I don't
want to. And then I had to lock my tweets
up because they get to the wrong audience constantly, and
even when it was locked up, my tweets were still
getting shown to the wrong audience. So at this point,
now that I've locked it up, I've completely stopped speaking

(13:45):
my mind on there because now we have our own
platform to do that, which is amazing for us that
we can just do it here. So if y'all ever want,
if y'all really want to know what I'm feeling or
thinking about when it's coming to women's basketball. Y'all going
to have to come listen to the podcast now because
I'm not tweeting about it no more. And I even
remember last year, the last two years, espnW all those
pages used to take my tweets and put them on

(14:07):
their Instagram pages, like because they were funny or they
were true, but they would never ask me to use
the tweets they would they would just appear on Instagram.
And at first I was flattered, but then I got
annoyed because I'm like, this is y'all's job. Stop stealing
my tweets and putting it on y'all's platform. And then
y'all don't even promote me when I'm playing or doing

(14:29):
anything else. Y'all just going to steal my content. Now,
everybody thinks all I do is sit on podcasts and
tweet all day, like people really don't know that I
am a WNBA player, Like it's actually crazy, and you know,
you'll go look at my stats and you'll probably be
like unimpressed, which understandable. I get it, but I passed

(14:50):
the eye test. I really do, and it's very annoying
that the last two years I've been sick and dealing
with health stuff. So this new influx of fans literally
you know me as the podcasting WNBA player like but
not the WNBA player that podcast. So this summer, I'm
very excited to show this new fandom what type of

(15:12):
player I am, even though they could have watched me
in Nashville a few weeks ago. Even with that, the
way that they talk about my play and athletes unlimited,
they call it like the wnbag League, like they're just
so disrespectful like to me all the time, and I'm
just like, I was playing my ass off over there,
and y'all still found something weird to say. I go

(15:34):
on Gills talking about the trade. People are talking about
how I'm just sick all the time and I can't
be I can't stay healthy and all this other shit,
and I'm just like, can y'all just like let me
have my experience and share it in peace, like y'all
do everybody literally everybody else, like everybody always is trying

(15:54):
to tell me about my like how I should feel
about my personal experiences, and it's been happening for years.
So I'm just glad that we have this platform for us,
Like if we have five people listening, we have five
million people listening. Like I don't care, Like I'm this
is like, this is now my ex page. So Gray, Zoe,

(16:14):
y'all are going to be in on my journal sessions.
Those are our producers. Guys. This is my new this
is my real real outlet. Now it already was an outlet,
but now this is it. This is it guys for me,
because I'm done.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
But I do want to say don't let Obviously everyone
says this, but with creating content and being online for
the last few years, I will say that I always
tell people the downside to my lifestyle, which is getting
to make videos for a living essentially, is the opinions
of others. Like being exposed to the opinions of others

(16:49):
all the time. It's not normal to I tell people
all the time that I miss being able to just
use my phone normal and not see stuff about myself
all the time. But something that's really helped me as
number one, just really accepting that as the downside of
my job and the fact that like I would rather
have that be the downside than some other stuff that
could be the downside of your job right. And then

(17:11):
the second thing is normal people don't leave those kind
of comments, Like those people that are hating on you,
Lexi are not okay in the head, They're not normal people,
like normal basketball fans, Like I want you to know
the norm, Like ninety percent of people who have an
opinion about you aren't even telling you their real opinion
on the internet. Most of them are people who are normal,
who know that you're a WNBA player, who have probably

(17:33):
a very normal view of you, like hey, like oh,
an actual normal assessment of your game.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Haters are just a lot louder than those other people.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
And really it's not just you, it's really all of
the WNBA players that do other things, which y'all are
getting the brunt of hate for that. But as the
WNBA grows and that becomes the norm and people like
you like Angel are at the forefront of being a
WNBA player that also does a lot of other really
cool shit, it'll become more normal and like the love

(18:04):
and the hate will balance out. But like we always
talk about your own little bubble of hate, everybody has that,
so it's like I completely understand, but just know not
everybody hates you. And has like a weird spinion of it.
Those people are just so loud you should not even
concern yourself with the opinion of sheep. If they could
be you and be a professional basketball player percent, they

(18:28):
would be, but they're not, and that's why they don't
like you.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
So it's like I'm just like make them that. I mean,
that's where I'm at with it, and I'm glad, like
I have people like you in my life to like
remind me. But again, that's why I have to get
off of there, because right like I just can't. Yeah,
and sometimes it's hard to like not get caught up
in that and start second guessing yourself and all these

(18:51):
other things, like they are complete strangers, Like it is
a weird thing to have so many opinions from people
that don't know you. And then for as being the athletes,
like at the end of the day, like we still
have to go out and perform on the court, Like
that's still the main thing. Like I always like to
remind people, like I love playing basketball. I love basketball

(19:12):
so much. If I had to choose to just have
one job, if I had to have one as much
as I love doing this with y'all, I really do.
I would pick playing basketball, but I don't have to
do that, so that's a blessing in itself. But I
am off X guys. It was the end of an
era victor woman.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yama was asked, I believe how does he deal with
all the pressure of being like the next face, the guy,
the one that everybody's talking about right now, And he
literally said, and it really stepped with me because I
need to be better about this. He was like, I
don't look at it like if I'm not seeing people
commenting on me and saying something about me all day,
because when you think about it at the end of

(19:53):
the day, it's not real, not real life, like the
people in real life, the people who actually know you,
like the people who actually know me, all my friend,
the family, you actually know me, like people who know
me in real life don't think that about me. So
therefore those opinions that come from people on the internet, it's.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Not real Like, it's not real at all. He's very
wise for his young age. That's not European shit, though,
when I'm telling you when I was playing over there,
like they don't. Social media is like not a thing,
like yes, you have like your influencers like you see
the girlies in Europe and stuff, but like as far
as like in the sports space, like they're kind of

(20:28):
like getting with it a little bit. But I remember
my first year over there, they hated the fact that
I was on Instagram and stuff. They were like, why
are you posting in your jersey? Why are you posting
before the game? All this kind of stuff, And I
was like, I don't know, this is what we do
in America. I don't know. So yeah, they have like
a very different outlook on that than we do. And

(20:51):
I think that's why Wenby came over here, That's why
Yoki came over here. That's why Luca and them come
over here. I'll even put Shay in there because he's
from Canada. Yuka, some of the top players in the
in the NBA right now, they're not from here. So
I don't think that the antics of our fandom bothers them,
because when you go over season play, you don't really

(21:11):
have access to the fans like that. Like I mean,
I haven't played overseason a few years. But they like
love sports over there, like they look like you saw
it for yourself. They do love sports, but it's like
different than how people love sports here, and that I mean,
we can get into a whole conversation about how like
the betting culture and all these other things have shifted
how people in the United States view sports, and that's

(21:34):
a conversation for that we can we could talk about
that forever, because the way the people react and respond
to sporting events now, when they got their money on
the line, they rent do and they're like, hmmt's do
I want to pay rent? Or do I want LEXI
to make four threes tonight? And I make three death

(21:54):
threats on the way, and I'm like, nobody told you
how to do that.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I do want to say a lot of the noise
surrounding you is going to change now that you're a
NA championship contending situation.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh girl, already the world is going to be sick
of us this summer. I hope y'all know that. And
you know what, I'm not an arrogant person, and I
was raised that way, very humble, but I know how
hard I work, and I know the situation I'm about
to be in, and I know what I need to
do to show up and help that team win. So
when we start getting rolling, and popping, like we're gonna

(22:28):
be on here popping our shit, and if things are
not rolling and popping, we're still gonna be on here
popping our shit because it's like that's what we're here
for to talk about women's basketball in the WNBA season.
So we'll talk about my personal goals closer to the
w season. But don't let me. Don't let me start
checking off that checklist, guys, because to tell me nothing,

(22:52):
I love it. Let's talk about some women's college basketball
because Selection Sunday just happens, and I have my my
Duke shirts on. Shout out to play a society for
the for the for the gear. It's so cute, y'all.

(23:14):
Go get that. They have T shirts, sweatshirts, and sweatpants
and I got everything, So shout out to you. Play
a society for hooking your girl up. Okay, let's first
talk about the number one seeds, which are UCLA, USC,
South Carolina, and Texas. I think a lot of people
thought Yukon was going to be a number one seed.

(23:34):
Not sure why, but I'm happy with these number one seeds.
I think they got them correct. What do you think?

Speaker 1 (23:40):
No, yeah, I think I think people I mean, to
be honest, people think that the people who thought that
Yukon would be a number one seed are like not
paying full attention and they just you know, hear in
no wise and they're like, oh dah, they're going to
be number one, you know what I mean. But no,
I think that it's scary. I think that that's a
dangerous place to be this year in my in my
number one seed number one, say just because like when

(24:02):
you're at the top, everyone's out to get you. Not
obviously for the beginning. That's the beauty of being a
number one seed, but as the tournament goes on, I
don't know. I don't know if I'm high.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
On all of them.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
It's basically what I'm getting at.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
The only one seed that I'm not high on is
Texas and you know why because the fact that they
don't shoot any threes, yeah, is crazy.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
And then on top of that, I do want to
mention little funsi facty because y'all know i'd be having
the facts, but you do. Ucla has never been a
number one seed.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Which is crazy. Good for them, yeah, good for them?

Speaker 1 (24:33):
And I mean there are only two losses come at
the hands of one bun.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
One bun, the juju bun, I will say, and this
is no shade or disrespect to UCLA, but this is
like the most unassuming overall one seed I think I've
seen in a while. Like, yes, their record is amazing,
like they've been dominant all season, but you kind of
are just still kind of like they're number one. They're

(24:59):
they're the number one, Like that's how I feel about them.
But I think that you know, they showed they showed
me in that championship game because they showed up well.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Don Staley feels snub by it by the overall by
not receiving the number one overall.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Isn't that funny? Like she's at the point where she's like,
we're not the best number one. We know we gonna
be number one, but the fact that we're not the
best number one, I think the committee too harshly judged
that Yukon loss. That was the when they got blown out.
That was that game. I think they like took that
game and they're like, yes, we can knock down down

(25:38):
a couple of notches because they lost to one of
the best teams in the country. But I'm like, I guess,
but that number one, because I remember my first year
we were a four seed, and then my second season
we were a number one seed, and I think we
were the worst number one seed. But a one seed
is a one seed. Y'all know you saw, We're t

(26:00):
see you? Is that number two? First of all, I'm
standing on that final four prediction. Their number one is Texas,
which okay, and then I didn't think they were going
to get a number two seed. I thought they were
going to be like a three or four. But the
two seed makes my prediction not so bold. I think

(26:20):
it's not a hot take that a two seed makes
it to the final four.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
No, it's not. And like I said, and I will
say forever, they better with all that damn experience, right.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Okay, Wait, So the team I was talking about for
Texas is Creighton. So Creighton always sneaks up on teams
in the tournament because they are very well coached and
they shoot at a high level from the three point
line historically, So for them to get Texas second round
could be interesting matchup for Texas. I'm also very excited

(26:53):
about TCU Louisville matchup, which technically I don't find that
hvo of revenge game, because like your two schools removed,
so the revenge game would ultimately be like an LSU matchup.
But it's like a it's like a baby revenge.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I take that as an because they didn't they play.
Didn't that happen with LSU Louisville last year?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Did it? I think so?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I'm pretty sure they played last year, And I.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Know she's probably like, damn, are y'all serious? Again?

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, if that should happened last year, because I remember
thinking about that that as a quote unquote revenge game.
But I also wanted to ask you, because I don't
remember exactly why she left Louisville in the first place.
Was that her choice to go chase a championship with
LSU because of so then that didn't revenge. That's a
revenge game for them, right.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, I think Louisville now, I think it's gonna be
the Louisville revenge game. Right she left, She up and
left for a ring and a bag, which duh, wouldn't
I mean, in hindsight, you're probably like that probably wasn't
the right decision, but at the time, like I don't know, Also,
when people judge people's decision making, what would you do

(28:00):
in that situation, Like, can we all be serious for
a second. You are one of the best players in
the country. The team that just won a national championship
and rolling in money asked you to come poop with them,
You're gonna say no.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
I think people are harsh on her, even in the
I mean Kaitlyn Clark did put her on ice skates,
Like I'm not even gonna lie like that was just
from that.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
That was bad. That was bad.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
I will say in all fairness number one, that is
Caitlyn Clark.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
That is like, right, she was putting everybody on ice
skates exactly how Why was everyone blew that out of proportion? Crazy?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
And and if you were actually watching the game, which
is why there's so much nuance and all of this stuff.
I remember Angel getting hurt in that game. So much
went into that game that as to why LSU lost
beyond just oh, Caitlyn went crazy and if they lost
because Hailey couldn't guard her, like, so much more went
into that. And I believe Haley was sick during that

(28:58):
game as well. So anyway, it's the whole point is
it's like if you're actually watching, it's not like if
their season. Had they won that game, we would be
looking at the whole season differently. We wouldn't be looking
at us differently, like it's one game. The season wasn't
a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
The fact that even in college now that seasons can
be deemed failures, like it's college everybody, like, can we
please enough? I know there's money involved and players are
getting money now, but like the whole deeming season's failures
like making it to the If you make it to
the tournament, your season is a success. Exactly in college terms,

(29:34):
if you don't win a national championship, your season is
not a failure unless you were the favorite to win
a national championship, which honestly, that season, I didn't have
LSU winning back to back. First of all, it's very
hard to went back to back anything. So with a
new player, that high caliber player being added into the mix,
you have a superstar freshman coming in, like no, I

(29:56):
didn't have I didn't even have LSU winning that year. Anyway,
I had care last year, so did I. So I'm
like deeming things failures for these kids, like we got
to stop saying that, But I think that I do
want to shout out the committee, because I do think
they did a pretty okay job considering the realignments of
all the conferences. You got to keep that into consideration.

(30:17):
They did put three ACC teams on like the same region,
which is kind of annoying because I always want an
ACC team to make it far. Duke, you and c
will be meeting in the tournament for the first time
in history. Wow, which they if they make it there,
if they make it to the whatever round. It is
the fact that Duke and North Carolina have never played
each other in the NCAA tournament ever on the women's

(30:39):
side is kind of nuts to me, Like, I can't really,
I can't believe that. And this is the first time
Duke and EU and See have both been really good
at the same time in a minute, So the fact
that they've never met up in the tournament prior to
this season, or the potential to, or maybe they had
the potential too, they just didn't. It's kind of nuts
consider how historic the rivalry is. So I hope that

(30:59):
match happens.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Are you scared of you?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I'm scared of what no I got Duke winning the
whole thing. We're not scared of anybody.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
That's true, but but you could still have them winning
the whole thing and be nervous, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, you know it is crazy. So their second round
matchup could potentially be Organ and I'm not let me
you know, we got we have powerful manifestation power, so Universe,
this is not a manifestation. This is just the fact
that I'm stating. Okay, last time Duke was a two
seed and they played Organ in the second round was
when my senior year and we lost at home to

(31:33):
Sabrina's Organ team. So I'm like, the fact that that's
like the same matchup is happening again is actually kind
of crazy because what are the odds of that? But
that was I think that was Sabrina's first season or second.
She was baby. She was a baby Sabrina. I'm like, oh,
this girl is good, this little girl is nice. So

(31:53):
they came in and beat us, but we had a
lot in our defense. We did lose our starting point
guard at the time too. She toren me in the
game before on some bs, so we were not really
like feeling great, but we still couldn't won that game.
But we didn't. But the fact that that matchup could
happen again. Is crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
I want to ask how you feel about because I
know in like the first couple rounds usually the woman's ermit,
it's kind of like clear, Like I said that, when
you're the top dog, gets scary because of later down
the line, not because of the first.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Couple of rounds. No, it's borderline unwatchable at times.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yes, but I'm asking this because I don't me personally
see any clear dominance this year. I think that there
was very clear dominance with South Carolina last year. Everybody
kind of assumed they were going to win, or that
there was going to be the Cinderella story of like
Caitlin winning, which ended up, you know, kind of being
the situation that we were in. But that's neither here

(32:44):
nor there. My point is with this year, with there
being no clear dominance of like, Okay, last year we
had LSU had a quote unquote super team and they
were the defending champs and blah blah blah, and South
Carolina had never lost in years and years. We don't
have that this year. So what are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
We don't have any We don't have anything. I'm like,
what have we been? What have y'all been doing all
season long to make this tournament fun and enjoyable. Like
everyone had every narrative on earth the last two years,
and now all of a sudden, y'all ran out of
narratives to push. I don't but I don't.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I disagree with that. I feel like there are narratives,
it's just there's no clear dominance.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Like there's narratives.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
There's the Juju narrative, there's the page narrative. They're like
kid LSU. People think that they're sneaky. There's Duke Duke
U and C can play each other for the first time.
There are narratives, there's just no clear Oh, they're gonna win,
They're gonna win, They're gonna win.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah. And then South Carolina considering themselves underdogs is dangerous
to it insane because why do they feel that way?
Why did y'all make them feel that way? Like if
we were all smart, if everyone was smart, y'all would
make the fact that we people have gone out of
their way to make South Carolina not feel like they've

(34:01):
been the most dominant program in the last like five years.
Like why is Don Staley talking about being a damn underdog?
Like I love that about her. I love her passion,
and I feel like when you are that dominant, you
do have to like pull motivation from, you know, different
places to get your team to stay hype, and you know,

(34:23):
it's hard to be that successful.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
But like I was gonna say, I feel like when
you listen to people who are great at any sport
or great at anything really speak, they always they're kind
of sickos, Like they're a little sick in the head
and they make themselves believe because when you're winning and
winning and winning and winning, like at a certain point,
it does have to get boring and you have to

(34:47):
come up with these little games in your head for
yourself of like, oh, they don't believe in me, they
hate me, Like like you're pulling out random narrative and
it's like, who are you, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (34:59):
What do you mean? Under dog? You're all on one seed.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
You won for like three years in a row.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Street y'all have won like four lost four games and
five like exactly. But that's what makes don so great though,
because she really is gonna have that entire team thinking
that nobody thinks that they don't they're supposed to win their.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Their home winship was what like two or three seasons.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, and like madness, madness.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
But they have to do that because you're reigning champs.
You kind of have to make yourself think. No one
believes we can do it again.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
No, absolutely. I think another storyline narrative that we can
touch on is the fact that three IVY League teams
made it in the tournament. Yeah, three, which is crazy,
like unheard of. That's incredible to the smart girlly pops.
Like we talked about Harmony, who was the star player

(35:53):
at Harvard. We talked about her, We came for her
flowers earlier in one of our earlier episodes, and she's
been killing. She led the team to the championship and honestly,
them winning actually was probably the reason why they included
three teams because they weren't supposed to win the whole thing.
So I think that's really cool. So shout out to
the IVY League and the Harvard head coach, Carrie Moore.

(36:16):
I think it's her name, and she's a black woman,
so we love that, love that, and I think they
said it was her second year there, so good for her.
Amazing the IVY League, like good for the smart girlies
that also can hoop because they need love to.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, you got the Big Ten has twelve teams in it,
that SEC following with ten, the ACC with a, the
Big Twelve with seven, and then the Ivy League Big
History with three teams in the mix for the very
first time.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah. I think now it's going to be very interesting
for the tournament moving forward with this nil stuff. Because
I was just talking to my friends and they asked
me about my Final four experience and they were like, oh, yeah,
who's on the teams that you lost to in the
Final four? And I listed like nine current WNBA players
between like two teams and they're like, what the hell?

(37:09):
I said, Yeah, that's how it used to be. You
used to have three, four or five potential WNBA players
on one team, and now you might have might have
two per team. So I think that obviously is why
the tournament has so much parity now because the talent
is more spread out, But it's because of the money.

(37:30):
So at some point the talent is gonna they're gonna
gravitate to one conference, and I think that conference is
going to be the SEC because they have all the money.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
So they have all the money, and then I think
they're traveling isn't as ridiculous as what other conferences now
have to deal with as far as traveling, like ACC
travel is now crazy, Big ten travel is now absurd.
SEC is really the only conference where the conference makes
sense as far as so they have the best locations,

(38:02):
they have all the money. So how many teams did
you say they put in the tournament this year?

Speaker 1 (38:07):
The SEC?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
It was ten? Yeah, like, and I think that number
is just going to keep going up and up and
up and up.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
As far as like if you had to call it,
if you get out your crystal ball by the end
of the tournament, who were like the three the three
people we are we're going to be talking about.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Ooh, that's a good question. Ooh, because I don't want
to say I don't want to be too loud and wrong.
You know, there's so many amazing players playing that nobody
even knows about. And that's also one of my favorite
things about the tournament.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
My follow up was going to be players to watch
that we prop that we might not know about yet.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
But the three players that were absolutely going to be
talking about at the end of the tournament if things
go the way that I'm envisioning them in my crystal
Ball juju obviously Hayley van Lyth and Paige and maybe
a Nissa Morrow at LSU because she's been silently destroying everybody.

(39:06):
And then the draft is coming up, which, funny enough,
the draft picks are being tossed around, like speaking of that,
we didn't even talk about. Okay, we'll get back we'll
get back to that. We'll get back to that. Okay,
last thing we'll say is the three I know. I
was like, oh wait, we didn't even talk about that.
The three players that you should absolutely be looking at

(39:26):
this tournament are I'm going to say Harmony Turner, I
think that's her name from Harvard. Are Harvard Curly Pop.
I'm gonna say Georgia Amore at Kentucky. I'm listing seniors
because these are like seniors that are I think are
done done so Harmony Turner I think she's a senior.
Georgia Amore at Kentucky, who is a Virginia tech legend

(39:49):
moved to Kentucky. And Deja Kelly at Oregon.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Do you think Ac Fudd is gonna go to the W.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I have no idea. Honestly, it will probably she she'll probably.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Go what would you advise her to do?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
For me, I would advise her to go. I know
with the CBA stuff, it's like up in the air
for a lot of these incoming rookies, which is understandable,
but I don't know. I just feel like it's different
in the WBA with NBA. Like with the NBA, you
have a window of open and closing because of like
the talent that's coming up very quickly behind you. For us,

(40:27):
it's like the talent of like your like branding space,
Like you need to take advantage of your relevancy, and
now that being more relevant is not frowned upon in
women's sports, like you can take all of that and
just bring it with you and maximize it crazy in
the pros. For some reason, nobody thought that that's how
it was going to work, But that's exactly how it worked.

(40:48):
They took their superstardom in college and turn into super
duper superstars in the pros because now you're in control
of your own life and you're not tied to a
university anymore. So, I guess or her, because she still
is on that line of superstar in college and still
like people are still like we're waiting for that consistency

(41:10):
from her and her being able to stay on the
court and show what she can do. I don't know,
She's just such a she's a tricky one, but.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
I think that based on what you're saying, the sticky
part for me is do you think that that relevancy
will increase without somebody like Page kind of taking up
some of that space, or does somebody like having somebody
like Page help you with that relevancy?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
You know what I'm saying, right exactly.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
That's a sticky thing. It's like Page could.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Believe and that I could be what she was exactly,
or she can leave and y'alloge is back to Yukon
right because no one's bigger than the program right over there.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
You gotta be realm exactly. So I don't know if
she has like the personality for that. Which is something
that I do love about her is that she just
goes out there hoops. That's also what I like about Page.
She goes out there on hoops. But she does kind
of that little edge to her that everybody loves, so
a little spice yeah, Spice in that one, Yeah Dejah Kelly.

(42:11):
I mean their match second round would be against Duke,
So I will not be rooting for her in that
moment because I don't want her to beat Duke, but
I do want to have a good game because yeah,
she's she's about to get drafted. So I always root
for the seniors because it's very what have you done
lately for the w because fair y'all gonna be in

(42:32):
training campbell to us in about a month. My gosh,
isn't that crazy?

Speaker 1 (42:36):
That turnaround is so unfair?

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Literally a month I go to Seattle. So camp starts
April twenty seventh, and the final four is the first
weekend of April. I want you all to really think
about that, because that's insane. You are in your last
game of college and three weeks later you are in
a WNBA training camp. Yeah that's regular, Like, that's normal.

(43:01):
We've just found a way to deal with it. But
like as you get older and you're like watching the
younger ones come in and they're just like frazzled, Like
is that what I look like when I came here?
Just like I don't know what the hell is going on?
I don't know what's what's happening right now. I don't
know if that's ever going to be able to change
because of the timing of our season, but like just
get to the process. Yeah, I mean it's nice to like go,

(43:24):
you don't have an off season, No, you don't, and
you don't have like time because people were like, well,
you guys should have like a WNBA combine or something,
and I'm just like, well, like when, yeah, you have
time for that. And then also like that's not necessarily
fair because you have you'll have players that are playing
till the last week in April. They don't want to
go do a combine the last three weeks of college.
They want to enjoy their last three weeks of college

(43:45):
and mentally prepare for their next step. When you have
players that have been at home for three weeks who
can't wait to get to a combine, like that wouldn't
necessarily make sense to me.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
And you've got the players that are, like you said,
the brand players, because now that's not being found of
that's like encourage where if in a combined situation that
might expose some of that, they might not be in
that position right for the brand.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
You know what I'm saying, so right, and you don't
want and you don't and you don't want that because like,
for what, there's no reason to do that. So yeah,
okaysh weekend this weekend, tune into the games, guys, support
women's basketball, support women's sports, and cheer for Duke.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Tune in for real, y'all because don't be in the
comments complaining and be making videos complaining, and don't be
watching the games. That shit pissed me off.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Or go pull up, pull up to a game if
it's near you. They're all at their home, the schools,
the four seeds. So if y'all, if y'all are near
one of those schools, pull up to the tournament games,
pull up. We must talk about the trade.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Thank god, because you called it is that crazy?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
I CA and you know what, and people you have
inside information? I do? I do. I did not have that.
That was that was not told to me. That was
just something that I thought would make sense as far
as all the movement that was going on. So yeah,
if y'all didn't hear or see, Natasha Cloud was traded
to the New York Liberty over the weekends for the

(45:22):
seventh pick I want to say, mm hmm, and as
second round pick a future second round pick, so that
is now like the fifth first round pick that has
been traded away. Don't know what that says about the
draft class coming in. I don't know if there's even
an opinion to be formulated based on that, but it
looks like teams want to win now and are loading up.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
What I had a lot of people asking me about,
and I feel like you can speak too much better
than I could, is people are confused. Number one, what
does that say about the value of a draft pick
in the W versus? Because I feel like in the
m NBA people are used to a pick kind of
just being like supplemental to you're giving us a player

(46:08):
kind of thing, you know, Whereas it's like a player
like Tash, I feel like that people consider a high
caliber player. It's like, oh, she just went for a
couple of picks. So it's like, what does that mean
to fans who are new about the caliber? Like what
a drive pack means?

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah? I mean honestly, for me and I talk about
this in our like CBA meetings, there's like really no
rhyme or reason to anybody's contracts that they get like
your number goes up based on how many years you played,
and that is all. So there's no you don't have
to have any postseason awards, there's no like things that

(46:48):
you have to achieve to get x amount of money.
So you don't have to really put so so much
value on these trades going on, which is why you
don't really see very many mid season trades because the contract,
like the production in the contract sometimes don't match up,
Like you want this player for this player, but their
money is so vastly different, even though they technically seem

(47:10):
like the same caliber of player. You go to the
salary cap and you're like, damn, this person is making
almost twice as much as this person, but this person
is averaging five more points than the person making this
because they just there's no way to organize it. Which
is something that I personally have brought up in our meetings,
is are we going to do something about that? Because
NBA has it like to get a super Max, you

(47:32):
got to be first team or second team All NBA
or whatever. I don't think it's gonna get that specific
because we're not doing those big of contracts. But I
am a firm believer there needs to be something in place.
So yeah, so these mid season trades can happen because
they are necessary. Sometimes exactly last it was like the
first time we saw that happen was like a mid

(47:53):
season trade. And then sometimes they just like they don't
really make sense because the money got a match. So yeah,
I don't. I first was like, damn, they must not
really think that this draft class is very strong. But
I don't think that either. I think that teams are
just getting what they need, and some teams are in
rebuilding mode and we're gonna be young. And then some
teams are like, we want to run it back, like

(48:16):
New York clearly just stated we want to win another
championship this year. And then you know, teams like US Seattle,
you know, we've loaded up on some veterans Indiana too.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
So I've always said in sports, for a team that
goes far in the playoffs, it makes absolutely no sense
to be like, Okay, now let's start over, let's rebuild.
Like that makes literally.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
THENBA like that's what it's been, and I'm glad to
see that it's it's starting to change a little bit.
I think with this new CBA, you're going to see
more intention with building rosters, keeping rosters together. And I mean,
I think that's why Vegas was so dominant for so
many years, is because they were able to keep that
core together for so long. Same with the Minnesota Links
when they won all those championships. You had the same

(48:59):
core group together for years, which is why everyone was
so confused and disappointed in Connecticut because they had their
core together from literally the whole time I've been in
the w and they weren't able to get it done. So,
I mean, that's why they had to ultimately blow it up.
But well, you know an understatement, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
They don't have any of their starters. That's insane. But
what you were saying is interesting because they really can't,
Like there's no way to really build a winning roster
without holding on to a winning roster that you either
drafted or like kind of nurtured over an extant amount
of years, because you can't really be like, Okay, I
have this valuable piece that isn't really working for me,

(49:38):
and you have that piece that'll be perfect for me,
So let's just trade that. Because in the MMBA, those
would be worth being paid pretty equally. Those would be
worth pretty equal value, whereas in the WNBA, because you're
like younger in your career, it's like your contract might
be worth much less than theirs is. And it's like, okay,
well I'm not trading you for a much less player
that's older.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
You know what I'm saying, Because most teams aren't trying
to get exactly. So it's like, it's gonna be interesting
to see if there's a way we can combat that
with the with the new negotiations, because it's also going
to hold front offices more accountable to what they do.
I've watched front offices destroy players' careers because of their
poor decision making. I haven't been watching it for years
because it almost happened. It almost destroyed my career. Like

(50:20):
not saying that people in the front offices are dumb
or stupid or whatever. Sometimes you make poor decisions, it happens.
But the decisions that front offices make affect the players directly,
and it might not be immediately, but like down the line,
you'll look back and be like, damn, why did they
do that for me? Or damn, why did they do

(50:41):
that to that person or that person? But they've been
able to like it's like they've been playing. They've been
like treating the WNBA like freaking monopoly or some shit.
Like again, like we need to start taking it more serious,
like these contracts.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Now, what do you think about about the fit?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Well, I always said Sabrina her best games and her
best seasons when she has an elite point guard. She
herself is an elite point guard, but she at the
pro level, she is better at the two. So that's
why Slut was so good for her this past season.
And now they're bringing in a young a little bit

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younger player that defends, that's a great leader, willing passer,
she can shoot a little bit better than Courtney vander Sloop.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
So already a dog, but like has a chip on
her shoulder because I don't think that the way that
Phoenix did her.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
A champion already, she already has championship experience. So now
you have an entire starting lineup of WNBA champions, which,
like you lost a champ, you replaced her with another one.
So shout out to the Liberty for making that happen.
I'm very happy for Toash because, like you said, that
whole situation in Phoenix was not cool, and she deserved

(51:53):
better than that, and I don't know if she could
have been put in a better situation than this. Actually
in New York defending champs. Chip on Your Shoulder just
finished up a great season of Unrivaled, got some monies.
You know, things are great for toash Cloud. I'm very
excited for her. Yeah, and that's like one of my
really closest friends in the league, so I always love

(52:16):
seeing her do well. She just was on the Pivot,
had an amazing episode on there. We need to get
her on this show, now that I'm saying this, we do.
We do need to. She's one of the players that
I would love to have on here, So we're gonna
try and make that happen. For sure. I can't. I mean,
I know this is March Madness time, but like, I
can't wait for our season to start. I can't. It's
gonna be so fun like spicy. But I think this

(52:39):
season's gonna be like a fun spicy. Last year it
was not a fun spicy. It was like a weird spicy.
Last year.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
A lot of things were new. Yeah, whereas I feel
like things have settled, like the dust has settled a
little bit, and not that that's gonna quiet any of
that annoying ass noise that we were talking about at
the beginning of the show. But it might. Y'all will
be able to deal with it a lot differently able
to sound.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Oh for sure. Yeah, And I think it's just the
respect now is there. I think AU and Unrivaled happening
in the off season has people locked in earlier to
the w which I think is really cool. So yeah,
I'm excited. It's gonna be fun. Countdown a training camp.
We're a month away, people.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Well, before we go, I just want to give a
little bit of a flower bouquet. Yeah, the Rose from
Unrivaled because I called them my team from the beginning
because for obvious reasons. But then I'm not let gonna lie.
Y'all won't look it too good.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
At the beginning, they are not. They were not, and
so to turn around like this, Yeah, so seam Rose
from Unrivaled, you guys, get the flowers of the day.
And then shout out to coach Nola because she deserved
that moment. So I'm very happy for her. She was
my coach in LA with the Sparks, so for her

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to be young and underrated and obviously counted out. Like
I know, that moment meant a lot to her, So
I'm very happy for them, very excited. Now we can
lock into the women's college Tournament, the draft, and then
our season. So it's a lot of women's basketball on
the way and you guys know exactly where to find

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it right here on the Full Circle Podcast. We will
see y'all next week. Thanks for listening to Full Circle.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
We'll be back next week with more basketball for the girls,
by the girls.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
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