1998 Pop Warner National Championship with Frank Edelman | Redwood City vs. Naperville - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
December ninth, nineteen ninety eight, Walt Disney Worldwide World of Sports, Orlando, Florida.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Led by a twelve year old Julian Edelman, the Redwood
City forty nine Ers are on the cusp of immortality.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Okay, Dad, this is the nineteen ninety eight Pop Warner
National Championship semifinals.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Welcome to Games of Names. Today we have a very
special guest. You have my father, coach Frank Edelman.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
Whereas he likes to say, baby Belichick, what do you
call yourself baby Belichick?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah? That is.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
And today we are looking at the nineteen ninety eight
Pee Wee Pop Warner National Championship semi final between I
mean our Redwood City forty nine ers against the Naperville
Our words. Yeah, I don't think I can't say that.
You can't say that anymore. You're now the Chargers. Uh,

(01:12):
they're now the Chargers. They're the Chargers now? Is yes,
they changed from our words to Chargers.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yep, adopted another NFL team's identity.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
I know, but you know, I don't think that that
really fits with the area. Is there are a lot
of lightning storms there? Maybe actually there's that It gets
pretty crazy over in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
It could be. It's I mean, it's tough if you're
not even even the Bears.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
Come on now, yeah, all right, let's get back to coach.
Coach Dada, why did you pick this game?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
This was a this was a really exciting moment for us.
But I gotta say one thing, you guys these podcasts
with all the swearing that you guys do, and this
is going to be a g rated podcast. We're gonna
call this the Uie Lewis Podcast. That means this is
a no square zone and it's hip to be square.

(02:04):
So anybody who squares in this podcast is going to
get one hundred dollars fine, and it's going to go
to Rich Eisen and the Thomas family for I think
it's Saint Jude's. So that's my request. I like that.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
Well.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
I wish I would have requested this in nineteen ninety
eight when this football game was going because I specifically
remember you mother fucking me.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Ding Ding or any.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
Other child with a huge chewing tobacco lip, and I
would go back home and I just hear at random
bar stories. Hey, your dad used to yell at me
and I had a piece of chew in my face.
I've heard that probably fifteen sixteen times, so I'm glad
that you thought over your little uh, this is for
Saint Jude's. I wanted to donate one hundred dollars. So

(02:53):
that's why I said that, Saint Juw's Charitable Foundation, because
of rich Eisen, because of.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
The Danny Thomas, Marlo Thomas, that girl. Yeah, I just
think you know we could do that, and what I
was is not what I am. Things change, you age
and you become better. That's that's what we do as humans.
We we did what we did, and we do what
we do and now we're better people. So their son,

(03:22):
thanks dad.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Now is this the greatest game of all time?

Speaker 7 (03:25):
That?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh, we didn't answer the question this game?

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Why this game?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
This game? First off, for a Pop Warner team. This
is back when there was just one group of teams
that go And I don't mean that's I like. Now
that we have Participation Awards, we have A B and
C teams, more teams can go to Florida and play.
But it was it was absolutely spectacular. I mean this

(03:52):
game though, because this game against Aperville, this guy ran.
This was our toughest game and the Super Bowl we
played Texas and the Texas Ours. Uh yeah, also the
R word. But this team, this team was just it
was a battle. I mean, it was just a great battle.

(04:14):
It was our first taste of competition in the National
Championship game and we won. I mean, geez, everybody wants
to go, but winning is uh just awesome, icing on
the cake. So that's why I picked this game.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Okay, okay, is this the greatest game of all time?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Well, that's tough. The problem with when you have a
son or a child that plays Pop Warner and then
plays high school and then plays junior college and then
plays college and then goes to the pros. I mean,
Julian never quit playing football. So parents that have children

(04:55):
that play in professional sports, it's like whoa, you know,
they just keep playing and keep playing and keep playing.
So I would say this is the best Pop Warner
game ever for us, but we've played a lot of
games since. Now.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Is this the most memorable game of Pop Warner?

Speaker 5 (05:13):
Like when you think back on our Pop Warner career,
I mean, you were in ten years before me because
of my brother, and you stuck around until I got there.
Was this the most memorable game for you? And why
or is there another one?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
You know this This was the toughest game for us,
by far, the toughest game that we played. But I
every game was memorable. I don't have one specific game
that is, you know, memorable. I do remember, you know,
the game that you fumbled four times, and I remember

(05:51):
the game that you dropped two touchdown passes. But those
aren't very memorable to me, but I do remember them.
But in this case, I would say this is probably
the most memorable game we've played. I think it's complete bullshit.
Wait a minute, ding ding ding ding.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I got the running tracker going over here, so we'll
tell those up at the end.

Speaker 8 (06:11):
I also think, like, I know, you got your NFL
Film shirt on. Yeah, I think you're giving us some
NFL Film's answers here. This isn't this isn't Rich Eisen interview,
This isn't a Tom Curran thing. This is your son's
living room on his podcasts.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah. But the problem, I tell you, guys, the problem
is is is it's just been twenty seven years since
I played this game, and you know you kind of.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
What do you mean twenty seven years since you played
this game?

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh? I coached this game since you've played this game.
So you know, I, you know, it's tough tough to say.
We've played a lot of football, and I don't mean
to be I will say I I I probably would
have been put in jail for child aboot child abuse
when I was a coach because that was a different time.
And you know, nowadays you got to give him cotton candy,

(07:00):
you know when they when they score a touchdown or
when they do something wrong. I'm teasing, but you know
it's it's a different time. So I tried to adapt
to the times.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
How does this feel?

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Like Kyler said, You're in our living room and you're
making your podcast debut. This is your podcast debut. How
do you feel, Pops? You know, this kind of reminds
me of you know, the old you know who who
would be? Uh, who's the gun slinger back in the day?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Give me a glints. Gunslinger's name Jesse James? Jesse James.
I mean, by the time twenty twenty four, Jesse killed
two hundred and seventy five, never lost a fight. Da
da da da da. So the legend has been built.
I am really nothing but a little Pop Warner, little
league coach with a son that continued to play, and
I have great people around me, as in Kyler and Jack.

(07:51):
I appreciate my son said, you know, building me up.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I'll keep building you up. There were The response in
the Twitter world was sounding when we put out of
a little breadcrumb that you might be coming on.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Well, I tell you one thing. We love Boston. Yeah,
New England, and I don't know if we should be
living in California. We're more New Englanders than we are Californians.
Like that, but I appreciate it. Thrank you guys, you've
got to say when you're when you're green, you grow,
you're ripe your rot, and I'll tell you what that

(08:26):
continues for everything everything we do. I don't care if
you're the best chess player. I don't care if you
mowlan's for a living. If you're gonna do it, keep learning,
keep getting better at it, no sniveling.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
You know you're in coach mode.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, getting there?

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Your mentor mode? Yeah, how can we make this show better?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I think you guys continue to grow and continue to evolve,
and I think you will find your way. That's what
I think. Awesome, Thanks coach, You're welcome.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Thanks pops, Frank, I gotta say, yeah.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
You used to call me every Wednesday after you know
a show would come out and give you the high level.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I think Jules is doing good and I think this
is this.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
I think we could do better here, Like, come on,
let's we can't get better with you know better?

Speaker 4 (09:10):
What makes you better?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, there's only one thing that makes you better, and
that's hard work, you know, cop out, No, No, it's true.
I'll tell you what you guys. You guys, I don't
want to. But my influence has to be encouragement and
being honest with you. But I don't want to influence

(09:32):
the nineteen eighties on you guys. Oh did you guys
see I watched something last night that was so awesome.
I watched What's the Big Band? I forget the name,
you know, I'll tell you I watched The bon Jovi
Show last night. Four episode show. Bon Jovi is an
absolute stud, you know. I tell you what awesome bon Jovi?

(09:55):
This one's for you. What a great show. That guy
worked hard. He did everything that we discuss. You never
stopped believing.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
He never stopped believing, stopped believing.

Speaker 8 (10:04):
Well, Frank, you're a bit of a musician yourself. He
tell us about some of your jap.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I went to day. Yeah, I played a little piano.
I used to do anyway, I gotta continue to I
actually I don't play the piano. I practiced the piano.

Speaker 9 (10:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
We had a good time. We were a good little
band I had was a BANDA The band name was
the Kids and I howd.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
You get into the band? What made you join this band?

Speaker 5 (10:28):
What?

Speaker 2 (10:29):
What year was this? This was? I think it was
nineteen eighty nineteen seventy nine.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
I know why I can't speak people. Yeah, my dad
doesn't speak well.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
No, no, no, no, we don't. There's no chance, that's what.
But I'll tell you back then in the eighties, there
wasn't a lot of piano players. There was more drummers,
guitar players, rhythm lead and drummers, and there wasn't a
lot of piano players. So I you know, I wasn't
the greatest piano player. I had a great teachers, un Canelo, fabulous.

(11:01):
He taught me how to cheat, made me sound better
than I really was. And then I met a guy
named Mansueto Lynchi, great drummer, and he worked with Maladinvukik,
great lead singer and the leader of the band was
a guy named Mark Adams. And this guy was a
fabulous musician, fabulous and he taught me a lot. And

(11:23):
you know, they they they hired me really because I
look good. I looked the part more than I played
the part. But you know, we we we were good.
We were like we opened for Yuey Lewis, we opened
for Journey, we opened for the Tubes, we opened for Steppenwolf.
I mean we were We played all the big clubs
in the Bay Area, and we went to Japan and

(11:45):
we did a little We played at one place called
the Bottom Line, but we're there for forty five days.
It was it was absolutely awesome. But you know, like
there's an old saying, nothing good happens after twelve o'clock
at night. So I had to get back to mechanic ing.
But you know, like we always say, the fruit don't
fall too far from the tree, right jeels. But uh,

(12:06):
here we here we go, you know. And so I
went back into being a small businessman in an automotive
shop and coach my kids, and here we are today.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
See this is a podcast where we get the deep
dive on like locker room talk. We've grown talking about,
you know, pulling his dick out and ship like that.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Dad, Yeah, I get it, kind of Wait a minute,
wait a minute, okay there, Richard is fine. No, no, no,
that's okay. I'll give you that one. We got two
hundred dollars so far.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
What are the tour stories, Dad.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
The tour stories? Well, I was in love with your
mom and so and uh so, I I really and
I had to practice a lot. So I always had
to go out and practice I do I I do,
do what I say? Am I each You know, I
don't know the proper terminology.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
For that practice what you preach.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I practiced what I preached. I had to practice a lot,
And so while the boys were out having fun, I
was practicing. Actually, I think I almost got in a
fight with Maladdin. I think I was going to beat
him up because he was doing something and I put
my I put my fist through a wall. And after
that we came back and we broke up. I had

(13:23):
to leave, but it was you know, it was an
awesome experience. You know, it was great.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
The kids.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
You're nineteen years old, eighteen, twenty years old?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was twenty twenty one, twenty. I
think I left the man in eighty one. But that
was great. It was awesome.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Frank, did you ever get to meet like Steve Berry
or or Hughey Beck's Then.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
No, I you know again, I was more of a
higher on, you know, and so I kind of stayed
away and I still had you know, you know, I
had to get ready to play. So I was like
in a focus mode, just like when I you know,
when I'm a little league right, So all little league
dads never sit in the bleachers with mom and dad.

(14:04):
They're the weirdos out in the very back with a
big mouth, you know, yapping and yapping. That was me.
So that's the rame way.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
What was life like for that Oleman household back in
ninety eight, Oh, it was, uh, you know, day to day.
Give us a day to day, day to day.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I get up early, five thirty, go to work. Look
at this, I know, get up early, go to work.
Mom would make the kids breakfast, take her to take
the kids to school. Mom always stayed home, took care
of the family. My wife Ange, and I'd go to work.
I'd yap and yell at everybody. I was a hard worker.
I pushed and pushed, and I was a real good

(14:46):
mechanic and I knew the game in automotive, and so
I'd come home five point thirty. I'd grabbed Julian Jewels,
Let's go practice. If it was football season, we'd be
practicing whatever position he was playing at the time. If
it was basketball, I'd go rent a gym. If it
was baseball, which was our worst sport. Baseball was definitely

(15:09):
our worst sport. I'd pitch him a hundred balls and
I'd be pitching him bbi's and we'd fight, but Jules
would argue a lot, and I'd have to like do
things that are uncommon for dads to do. Maybe not
back then, but nowadays. You know, I like throw the

(15:29):
ball at him, ground him for you know, going one
for three, things like that. You know, if football went
underneath his glove. You know, we'd go out after the
game and I'd probably hit him fifty grounders, make sure
his head was down. And by the way, I couldn't catch.
I couldn't even play shortstop Jewels play short. I had
to play third because I was a reaction guy. Because

(15:50):
I wasn't good enough to play short. So it was
just horrible. I was horrible. But you know what I
tell you, the bad News Bears were horrible, so you
could call us the bad news out. At least it worked.
We are what we are and uh, Billy Bob Thornton,
I'm Billy Bob Thornton, Hunter, Billy Bob Edelman. But it

(16:11):
is what it is. We were what.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
We were, all right. That's that's the average weekday. What's
the average weekend look like?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Weekend? Weekend was get up in the morning, the boys
washed the car I used to remember Jason Jewels jewels
on top of the cars, brothers spraying him with water,
making them cry. Wouldn't let them get it down. We'd
wash the cars and then we would do the lawns,
and then we went to our little secret place and
w That was after baseball there. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

(16:41):
We would go then we do the car wash. We
do either a game or practice, and then we'd go
to ann w and get a Papa Burger and a
Coney Dog and a Roopier float remember that. And and
then on Sunday we were probably playing baseball. I don't
even remember, it's been a long time. We're probably playing
as it depends if it was a season, if it

(17:02):
was football season, we're playing. If it was football season,
I'm out scouting. I'd run all over the Bay Area
to scout every team. And I got to say one thing.
Anybody who doesn't film the other coaches and the other
team is full of bus because everybody does. Okay, And
I'll tell you something else. One of the best things

(17:24):
we did. I lowered the ball pressure on every ball,
so my little twelve years old could hold the ball.
So all that stuff you're hearing is a bunch of
mumbo jumbo picking on the Patriots for being great. FYI.
So that's where I'm going with that. And you know,
if it was baseball season, we'd be out, you know,
play a game, and then we'd probably go out and

(17:45):
you know, hit three hundred balls and shag three hundred grounders.
And when his arm would get sore, I wouldn't let
him throw the first basketball. We'd shoot one hundred free throws,
dribble right hand. I'd tape up his right hand and
he'd drible with his left hand. That's what we did,
all right, Frank.

Speaker 8 (18:04):
So a lot of people coming here, they talk about
how great Jewels is, and he was awesome football. But
you know, you said he's not so good at baseball.
Can you give us some more details on like why
he was not a great baseball player.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Actually, Jewels, he was when he was little twelve. He
was a really good shortstop. He was really good, actually,
and literally he was good. As we moved up, he
had a tough time hitting the curveball. So Jewels liked
to you know, he'd liked to hit the ball hard,
but the curveball was the death of baseball for us.

(18:37):
And then the other problem is Jewels is quick growing.
So he went into high school, you know, at five
eleven or four eleven or something, but he was still
a stud I mean really, I mean when you when
you got all these you know, gorillas running around in
high school and you got this little, you know, monkey

(18:57):
or chihuahua that was Jewless still competed. And those were
the toughest years when he'd come into the room and say, Dad,
when am I going to grow? Yeah? But I was
that way, you know, I was that way, So I
knew it was going to happen. It was just a
matter of time. And then finally his end of his
junior year, he grew and then we won the CCS

(19:19):
championship and Jeweles was back. What's the question.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I Thinkyler was just trying.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
To my rambling.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
What made you bad at baseball?

Speaker 2 (19:29):
So we shifted it over. No football.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Out, so it was base football basketball. Baseball was the
top three kind of.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
No, it was football, baseball, basketball. He was good at basketball.
But I'll tell you, guys, this was a great story.
He played basketball and it's freshman year and Jewels was
real fast, even though he was small, but he was
real quick. He had great skills. And the coaching in
basket ball back at that time, the school we went to,

(20:01):
it was all manipulated, so the coaches had their AAU
basketball team coming and played basketball. The majority of the
players were the AU players, and Joel smoked these guys.
But Jels knew nothing about basketball, but they Jewels would
steal the ball, run down score. I mean, Jeels was
scoring twenty points and they benched him because he didn't
know how to play basketball because the other AAU players.

(20:24):
Do you remember that, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
I mean in like, I was like the best.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
I was like the best basketball one of the best
basketball players in our little conference in the private school.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yes, but when you got to the high school, you
were all over the place.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
They could, but you didn't know how basketball.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
But you didn't know basketball that was playing year round.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Like I never had an eye or a feel for
the game.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
No, you didn't, and I agree to that.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
But because we didn't really practice, we would shoot, but
he didn't know basketball.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
No, But I won hunch when I was in fourth grade.
I won hunch when I was in eighth grade too.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
What's hunch?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Hunch? They used to have these tournaments. It was three
on three. It's like hoop it up. It was like
hoop it up. Yeah, it was the earlier hunch. But
I was like you, I was little, but I was like,
you know, I know basketball, now you didn't. I didn't
know team basketball until I got older and played with
the forty year olds. Then I started figuring out how
to play basketball a little bit as a team player.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
But it was crazy because we played.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
I played AAU for two years because they saw they
saw your athleticism. Yeah, and then I went to UH
and then I played in the public school league with
Jeff lang Scoff's team.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
So I was playing in two leagues.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Remember, people, I was playing in Mount Carmel, and then
I would play for Jeff Langskoff's team yep, because the
private schools didn't play those and I would always be
able to ball in there. And then once I got
to high school, it just and.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
They were also you were small too. Yeah. We had
that other fellow, that little point guard that was good.
He knew Humphrey.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Yeah, Humphrey could shoot. Yeah, he could six to six nour.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, but he grew. He couldn't catch you.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
No, I was quick, remember little Aaron mate face. That
dude was a badass.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Aaron three.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
But you remember a little face, that little dude. He
was on a varsity No, I don't remember. He was
really good.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I forgot his name. But Jules, what's a what's Frank's
fit in ninety eight? Huh? What's Frank's fitting ninety eight?
Always shorts?

Speaker 5 (22:22):
He always had shorts or sweats shirt tucked in fannie pack.
The football is Life had on.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Whistle croaky right there, the one with the guy filming me. Yeah,
that was my look right there? What's in that fanny pack?
You know at that time there was always a pack
of cigarettes. Oh my god, I had to have my stogies.
There probably a pack of cigarettes, a dip, probably a
tenant to Copenhagen wallet. My little coin pouch always had

(22:55):
to have my coins. I think I was about it, keys, keys, music,
coins for parking. Back then you use coins for parking.
I still have my fanny pack now with coins in
it when I go to park, but they never take
coins anymore, so it's a problem. But I do like
to what about that one time? I'll tell you what
I do like to do is when I'm in a
line at the store and everybody's in a hurry, and

(23:17):
they go it's thirty dollars and twenty seven cents, and
I pull out my coin pack and I pull out
the twenty seven cents and then I give them seven
pennies instead of them. They're like, hey, hey, you know
I count pennies jewels yells at me all the time.
I count pennies. He counts dollars. That's a uh.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
What about the one time when I saw you put
a blue pill in your pennie pack?

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I didn't remember you came back. As you get older,
you guys are gonna learn what blue pills are. Now
we really can't talk about those today, but they are
an enhancement in kind of a way you juicing, No,
you just take them. It really it works well. When
you have a couple of cocktails and a blue pill,
you're ready to roll.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
All right, Coach, let's get let's get back to football. Football,
Frank football, Frank don juan Eto, Frank is, Uh, we'll
put that in the back burner. What was your approach
to coaching? How did what was what was your coaching style?

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Fundamentals? Everything had to be fundamentally sound and like like
your brother said, I would run one play at thirty
six power, forty five power. We would run that forty
times and thirty nine times it was wrong, and we'd
get it till we got it right. And you know that.
And you know we would go strength on strength if
we had. If we had, we'd have thirty thirty five guys.

(24:41):
Was the max on a roster, so we'd have thirty
thirty one guys. I would do everything in my power
to make every kid quit. But I'll tell you what
what that did is that little tup tub kid that
would come in that never played a game of football.
And you know mom and Dad wanted to play football,
to be the next Joe Antanna or something, and this

(25:01):
kid has no concept. This isn't flag football. Flag football
is great, but tackle football is a whole different thing.
And even at that level, these guys are lethal. And
so I would some of these kids would come into
practice the first day in August and they couldn't even
do a push up, didn't even know how to do

(25:22):
a jumping jack. I'd put all our new kids and
our heavyweights and you know lamos, but I don't mean
that in a bad way, inexperienced players. I'd put them
in the front of the pack, and then i'd have
my studs in the back of the pack and we'd
run the run around the field or run around the track.

(25:43):
And that way the rookies or the heavyweights or the
inexperienced players wouldn't be able to fall behind. So my
team would always stay as a team, and the guys
in the back, like yourself, Jewels, would push those big
guys when they'd start crying and sniveling, they'd push him
and we'd stay. We'd run, I'd slow it down. So

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it's all about being a.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Team, not the kid you talk You talk about the
kid that is inexperience. Where is this story going.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Well, what I where the story is going is when
that kid came to me, he had no clue if
that kid hold on, and most of them did. By
the end of that season, that kid would do twenty
push ups, jumping jacks. He would learn what football is about.
He would be a better man. He'd be a confident kid,

(26:34):
and he would be strong, and he accomplished something. Sense
of accomplishment is really important and it can start at
a low young level. And that's what we would do.

Speaker 8 (26:45):
How is Jules as a ten year old pee wee
football player?

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Well, I used to listen to like McCarty said. McCarty said,
I couldn't stand Julian into practice, but I surely respected him,
and then he won Super Bowls. Julian was that way
at practice, at full speed. He didn't everyone hated him,
but everyone loved him because you'd make everybody play hard.
Back then, I used to have to go to different areas.

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I'd go down to East Palo Alto, where the black
community was, and I'd recruit because there wasn't a Pop
Warner team there at that time. I'd go to East
Menlo Park where the Tongans and the Samoans were and
I'd recruit and then I'd go to Redwood City was
kind of known as the tough white boy.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
We had simons and tongans too.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, but it was East Redwood City, Menlo Park. It
was way over I get it, but back then it
was more over there. I'd go over to the other
side of the you know, on the border of Palo
Alto and our Menlo Park and Palo Alto, and I'd
put on little clinics and those kids would come out
and we would give them scholarships because most of them

(27:50):
didn't have, you know, money, and so we wanted to
make sure that these kids would play and get an opportunity.
I was also president for three years, and so you know,
we were building our program. And so if you at
least in football, you know, if you get a good
mix of demographics, where is this what is the question

(28:13):
is how is Jewels? And so we would get all these.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
This is why we used to fight when I was like.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
What I was getting at is Joels. This little white
boy would get in fights with these big tonguins and
I'd let him fight for like a minute, and Jewels
would be getting his rear end beat on and I'd
be over there giggling because you know, he was the
loud mouth of the team yelling here. But I love
that little yelling. I could imagine Belichick sitting over there

(28:47):
going right.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
You have no clue.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I have no clue, but anyway, I can only imagine.
But yeah, he was. He was a pain.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Answer your question, Yeah, answer the question. I gotta do
the answer question.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Hold on, I got another follow up question, this one, Frank.
You hear the horror stories of the Pop Warner parents.
We got a sense of how you deal with the
team and the kids. How do you deal with Pop
Warner parents.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Oh, they let me do anything I wanted. No, it
was horrible. It was It was really bad. I mean.
The biggest thing about Pop Warner back in those days,
I don't know what it is now. It was all
about weight. So anytime you're dealing with weight wrestling Pop
Warner and our weight was one oh five for a heavyweight.
It was like eighty five for an older lighter. Seventy five.

(29:35):
I can't remember it. So we always had to make weight,
but we got a pound a week once the season started.
So the first game was one oh five, second game
was one oh six. So these kids would come in
camp at like one twenty five my alignment. I'd be
recruiting these big boys and they'd come in heavy, and
so then we would run them till they died. Death. Run, run, run,

(29:56):
and then the parents we'd have meetings. I'd have a
scale there before practice, we'd run him. I'd have a
scale after practice. Okay, he dropped three pounds, Mom and
dad's with all the heavyweights would come in. I called
this kid, can't eat, this kid can't eat. And I
swear there was this one kid. I don't know if
mister you were awesome. He was a veterinarian and this
kid had to dry. He wasn't. He didn't have a

(30:17):
lot of weight to lose, and he had to drop
like twenty pounds. And he was trying to be an
older lighter yet you know.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
Older said he didn't have a lot of weight to lose,
but he didn't have a lot of weight to lose.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Oh okay, yeah, he didn't have a lot of weight
to lose, right, And I am convinced. On Jamboree day
it was what's your final way? And day he walked in.
He could barely walk. He was yellow. I think he
was giving him some sort of dietary pill from dogs
or animals, because this kid, he could. He was a mess.

(30:47):
But the answer to your question is, these parents let
me do anything they want, and they were all part
of it because I just wanted their kid to play football.
And You're gonna be honest, we had a great time.
It was awesome a little bit, but not really. Frank,
Do you think your coaching style would translate well to
twenty twenty four. No, I'd be putting in jail one

(31:07):
hundred percent, you know. And you know, like I've said
this in the past, you know, swearing is so easy
now everybody. Wait, you know it's so coold.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
It ain't.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
You're just old now you swear. No, but I know,
I know.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
But I would swear in the huddle and those little
twelve year olds and eleven year olds loved it, and
I would do it in a timely manner, timely manner,
and they'd look at me and go cool. Coach.

Speaker 8 (31:33):
Question for you, Juls, so obviously your experience with n
as a coach is biased. How do you think the
other players viewed your dad as a coach?

Speaker 5 (31:41):
I already said, you know, I'd go to local bars
and anytime I go back from college or early in
my career, and I'd always have a bunch of guys
that would come up to me and you know, talk
about how, yeah, your dad was so hard on me.
He made me want to quit, but I never quit
and it made a better I've heard that a few times,
you know, and it's always cool. You know, my dad

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did a lot for the community, a lot of the kids.
I mean, he was around for a long time. He
was like the president of Pop Warner, and you know,
a lot of times I don't necessarily, you know, he
didn't come from a family. He didn't have that, and
a lot of these kids that he would help out
didn't have families. So like, I don't know if that

(32:24):
was a connection or he just wanted to win, but
it was probably a mixture of both.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, well said buddy. There's nothing wrong with teaching kids
to give their best effort and go out of their
box and apply themselves. And those are I see it
every day now. I Mean, all parents have gotten it

(32:51):
that the secret is be with your kids. There's no secret.
What's the secret. The secret is pay attention to your kids,
be involved with your kids. Don't drop them off and
say see a letter, coach. Don't drop them off to
a teacher and say, Okay, it's your responsibility, teacher, do
your job, be a parent.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Even watching way for me, fucking Patriot doctors.

Speaker 10 (33:13):
My son played for the Patriots for twelve years. Maybe
this guy ding ding ding ding ding go back. Let's
go back. This is a segment where you go back
in time around the game. This just so happened to
take place around December ninth, nineteen ninety eight. Number one
movie A Bugs Life. I actually remember this because there

(33:34):
was a Bugs Life ride or something at.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
The Disney World and they were there.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
I think they were pressing it real hard at Disney
World during this game, so I think we even got something.
My dad won't remember that, but I remember that. I
could be completely.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Off, but I'll do a little digging on that.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
You remember that movie, Dad, Bugs Life?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Don't remember that movie at all? What about R Kelly
and Slin Dion's I'm Your Angel? Yeaes Selene Dion? I mean,
oh my gosh, she kidd me. She's awesome. I would
be more. Water Boy was awesome. I love I still
watch water Boy.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Today, still holds up Titanic.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Titanic was great. It was love Titanic, Love Titanic, Private Ryan,
I mean, are you kidding me?

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Something about Mary?

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I didn't watch that one that much.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
You know, that was more of mine. That was more
of a kid. That was you were you didn't like
funny humor like that.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
No, No, I was Rambo all the way and Edd
you know that I was over.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
There, Bruce Willis, this is a great.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Movie here, Marma Gadden was a good movie too, as
just a great movie. Yeah, I didn't watch that one
that much. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
What about Big Songs? You're still the one by Shania Twain?
Love Shania Twain?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
She was beautiful, Yeah, she's she's uh, she was great. Yeah,
that's a great song. Are you kidding me? It pops
my belly, Sean. Yeah, my wife would get mad at me.
How's my turkey neck? Look? Max?

Speaker 11 (35:00):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Then big songs getting jiggy with it with Will Smith and.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
You know what that was. I Will Smith was great boy,
but he put himself in a pickle. But he was.
I was always a fan of him. But I don't Yeah,
I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
How do I live? Leanne Rhyme's remember her?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah? Yeah, she was good. I wasn't really a country fan,
but yeah, but shanias country. But she was like she
crossed over. She crossed over. You did too. Yeah, I'll
go with that.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Frank. When we're on the way to practice back in
the nineties, what are we bumping in the car and wise?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
No, No, there's no there was music. No, it was serious.
What are you bumping in your car? What are you bumping?

Speaker 4 (35:44):
You were that is bullshit?

Speaker 2 (35:49):
No, no going there. I was in a hurry to
get the practice. I rush home, get the gear set up,
get put that. You know. I spent more time at
practice and I did her work. I had to put
together practice schedus.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Now you worked from five to five and then I
mean these.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
No, no, but I still well. Nice thing about pop
Warner was I it didn't start till five, and I
can't get Yeah, it was like seventh, right, but we
were we were supposed to be done by seven, but
I practiced till eight seven. Didn't No, I was kidding.
I'd go to seven, fifteen, seven to twenty though.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
All right, did you watch Steinfelodal? You never watched it?
You didn't watch TV sitcoms.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
When I was little when I was when I was younger,
it was with work. You you didn't want, you didn't
watch I didn't watch TV back then. This is the
final year of sein film. Now I watched TV.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Yeah, and this was the year where that little blue
pill got approved by the FDA.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, yeah, right, thank you.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
In the sports world, in nineteen ninety eight NCAA National
champions were Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
I think I remember that.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
They went after Peyton left right? Was that the year
after Peyton?

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (36:58):
This is the first PCs championship too.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I do remember Ricky Williams. So that Ricky is was
a was a was awesome.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Heisman Trophy winner Ricky Williams, I mean he was a monster.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah. Monster.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
Super Bowl champion was Denver Broncos NFL MVB Treel Davis. Yeah,
this is when they finally got over the hump? Was
this This wasn't their back to back? This was first one?
Because seven? Who's ninety seven? This is our Was this
our second one?

Speaker 8 (37:26):
Or their first might have been the second because ninety
nine was the Rams Titans.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah, ninety seven was passed Packers this season.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
I hate those Bronco's words.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
So the Broncos won January twenty fifth, nineteen ninety eight.
That was Super Bowl thirty two. They beat the Packers.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
So this is the first that's the first one because
Packers were going trying to go back to back.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
The year before the Packers won. Yes, okay, I'm not
going to beat bias bias. Oh oh oh, you want
me to be biased.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
No, well, let's hear it.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Okay, Well, Tyrrell Davis. Terrell Davis was in the Hall
of Time, and there's some things. His numbers are a
little low. He's an NFL.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
He was the MVP of the whole league.

Speaker 8 (38:14):
His thing is he had his like three or four
seasons were like some of the best running.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yeahs in the history of the game.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, yeah, you won three Super Bowls and six years. Yeah, okay,
you told me a little sad league. I'm a little
league dad.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
ABC and ESPN negotiate a one point one five billion
per season contract to keep Monday Night football.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I'll tell you what. There was nothing better than Monday
Night Football back then. And I'll tell you what. I
used to love the Steelers and Terry Bradshaw and Lynn
Swan and I love that group. You probably saw a
lot of the Steelers. Steelers were on all the time
because they were the champs.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
They were on Monday Night football. Monday Football was this
is nineties. That was a seventy it was twenty years prior.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Weren't they on that? No, No, I think they got
the contract. They didn't know.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I think they still had they would still have the
contract back in that was probably. Yeah, the Monday Night.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
In the seventies, there was two networks. ESPN wasn't around yet. No,
they came in seventy nine.

Speaker 8 (39:14):
So I think what this is saying here is that
ESPN got a part of when ABC and ESPN kind
of bought each other keeping that Monday Night football onc.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Who's your favorite Monday night football announcer or who's your
late night like Howard Cosell, John Madden?

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, it was, it was. It was John Madden. For me.
Cosell was great, awesome, but I would say it was
John Madden. I love the Turduckman and you know how
we do his little Yeah, it was yeah, No, it
was all the way it was. It was. And I
I uh, what was that Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning, I

(39:52):
like the number one overall. Pate Manning is like the
man besides Tom Brady. I mean, Tom Brady's obviously number one,
and Joe Montana obviously is number two, and Peyton Manning
is obviously number three. All right, all right?

Speaker 5 (40:09):
Final NFL season for John Elway and Barry Sanders. So
this was their second one.

Speaker 8 (40:15):
The ninety eight season is John Elway's final?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
I hate Yeah, it's the sports we're in the ninetie
We're the games in December of ninety eight. So dealing
with the ninety eight season.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
Yes, yeah, yeah, Super Bowl Barry Sanders is in January
ninety eight.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
What do you remember about Barry Sanders.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
January of ninety nine.

Speaker 8 (40:34):
January of ninety nine, the second eight, the second one.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, yeah, I tell you Barry ran the ball like
no tomorrow. But I just couldn't figure out why they
didn't win. I mean, what is the objective of football
when they didn't have a quarterback winning?

Speaker 4 (40:51):
What does that have to do? What does that do
with anything?

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah? I'm just you asked me the question. I said,
Barry Sanders was great, one of the best running backs
in the world.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
Who's your best running back of all time? God, this
guy's getting Frank.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Well, who's you said? Who's my best running back?

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Who's your best running back of all time?

Speaker 8 (41:07):
And we're gonna watch his game a little later, Frank,
you know what what Barry Sanders dad thinks of the
top three running backs of all time? What Barry Sanders
dad said, the number one best running back of all time?

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah, Jim Brown.

Speaker 8 (41:19):
Yeah, that's the number two is himself, yeah, and the
number three is Barry Sanders.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, you know Jim Brown. I mean, what do you
say about Jim Brown. I say one thing about Jim Brown.
That was the that was one of my favorite movies ever,
The Dirty Dozen when he when he ran when they
when they were bombing the Germans and he had the
grenades and he ran and was dropping the grenades down

(41:45):
the shoot.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
Belichick thinks Jim Brown is the best running back of
all time. I've heard him say that. He said it
was a man child.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, yeah, he was a man child.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Cross player of all time too, people say.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Yeah, best lacross. I think that's why he loved him too,
because Black.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Was Thompson Brothers. There's just there's just too many good players.
I don't know how you can you know, it's hard
to rate him.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
I can't believe you just tried to correlate winning with
a running back like.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
Well, I think he was on the West franchise in
the National He's literally on the worst franchise in the
history of an NFL game.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
You think it's his fault and the guy still had
two thousand yards.

Speaker 8 (42:21):
He plays on concrete, like, you're out of here, Come on, Yeah,
I agree, you're right, Frank. Ask me, though, Frank, who's
the better quarterback Joe Montana or Steve Young?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Oh my gosh, you know, I'll tell you what. We
love Joe Montana. And when Joe left, we hated Steve Young.
It was pure hate hating him. I like Steve Young
like ten years after. Steve was a fabulous player. I
mean he was. His throwing percentage was off the church.
I think he's number one. He was great. But now

(42:52):
Joe Montana was our guy. We loved Joe Montana. What'd
you love about Joe Everything? Yeah, I was just I
don't know what it was. It was just besides four championships, winner,
winning does matter. I mean, that is our main goal
in this sport. Winning. You know, there's a lot of

(43:12):
good players that play out there, but what what.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
Is it about that whole narrative of this No, what
what is about?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
What is it talking? What is it about? Why do
some players win and some players don't? I don't know's it's.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
A team game. Not one player is going to make
old team win. I don't know, not one.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I don't know now why it is little league dad?
Total little league dad.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Let's talk. Let's talk about these dudes. Who's your favorite
forty nine ers?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
You have a mic so I can drop it back? Four?
Super Bowl three? Super Bowl? Hey, well, you know what, Frank,
I think I know what you're doing.

Speaker 8 (43:53):
Keep it up because we just learned that not to
put it out there, but certain people get elected to
a certain place, and Ohio, they get lifetime membership the
Top Golf, So we're really trying to.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Who is your favorite niner of all time?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I don't even know what top golf is. I got
a softball swing. Who is my You know who my
favorite forty nine er is? It's just Joe. Everything's Joe.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Why was your number forty four?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Then?

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Why was everyone's number forty four?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Because when my brother played my brother's death and he
played at the Berkeley School of the Deaf back in
the sixties and he was number forty four. So my
brother taught me how to play football, taught me how
to catch hand position. Yeah, I love my brother. So
that was at forty four. That that was kind of
our number. You know, that's kind of where that came from.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
All right, let's get into this. Let's get into this game. Jackie,
he's at the stage for these Neighborville.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, so our.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Words the neighbor are words here. Because this is a
peewee game, this is Pop Warner. We're gonna do our
team section a little different today. We're gonna put a
little twist on it. We're going to profile the area
since we can't. We don't know a ton about these kids.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
This is ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
We were watching the game. We've seen the whole game
ninety eight. These rosters to fools are other Internet. We
scoured high low everything. We're just going off the announcer
on the game that we heard these huge kids. I
mean this, I want to check the birth certificates, but
we'll get to that later. So Naperville, Illinois here, we'll

(45:25):
do a quick little rundown of the area itself, some
of its notable Native Suns population one hundred and forty
nine thousand, five hundred forty as of the twenty twenty census,
twenty eight miles west of Chicago. So it's in the
Greater Chicago Land Area as they call it, right on
the DuPage River, the state's fourth most populous city, and

(45:47):
it was the home of the Office MAX headquarters up
until twenty thirteen. That's a tough loss for the community
and some notable natives as we're calling them. Chris Red
comic member him on SNL, Bob Odenkirk, Sean Pate, and
Cameron Brad remember him down in Tampa with Tom Owen Daniels.
Another NFL YEP, Harvard guy, Candace Parker, she just retired.

(46:09):
What a great WNBA career she had. Andrews Santino Tantinas
from Yahbleville. Yeah, they claim him on Wikipedia. What do
you think about that? And it was Chicago, Chicago Land guy.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
That's Chicago, yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
So yeah, kind of your classic Midwest suburb city they
had and they played some good Pop Warner football back
in the day.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (46:31):
Owen Daniels is close to age to be a part
of this Aperville organization.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Pop war Owen Daniels.

Speaker 8 (46:40):
You might have been slightly younger or older than you,
but he's in the ballpark.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
How old is he?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
He was drafted in five he is forty one. You
may remember he had a He's a fourth round pick
out of Wisconsin. Played from six to twenty fifteen Texans, Ravens, Broncos.
He won a super Bowl Super Bowl fifty with the
Broncos and man made he made.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
He made a double move on Jamie Collins. He's a
tight end right yep. Where he did that double move?

Speaker 1 (47:08):
I remember that one, damn. So that's a little high
level on our opponents today in Aprilville.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
All right, pops, what was the scout scouting report of
this team?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
None? We couldn't find anything. You know, we're we're from
Redwood City, California. We tried our best. Scouting is really important,
but we couldn't find anything on this thing. So we
had to just wait to see try to make our
in game adjustments. And I think I was peeking around
when I got there to go find their practice field
so I can watch them. I probably film or something,

(47:39):
you know what I mean, while they're practicing normal.

Speaker 8 (47:43):
But you know, are you insinuating that he's not baby Bill,
he's baby Ernie.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, I'm just telling you.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
I'm just telling you.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
I don't know what.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
I'm trying to tell you that I did know you didn't.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
You tried tell me I didn't film everything.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
You're putting on a show right now for the cameras, bro'
putting on a show. No, No, you're putting on a show.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
You told Kyler told me. He said, I want you
to tell the truth and be football Frank, And I said, okay,
And I'm telling you. We would try to find every
bit of information. I would run around all weekend filming
every team. Am I wrong? What are we doing? Money?

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Coaches? You feel you filmed just what they were playing?

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Well, a little bit embellishing, but not too much. Geez,
just a bit. How do we what did what did
they do? What was it?

Speaker 4 (48:46):
What kind of offense did they run?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Well? They ran the wing tea and they ran it
real well they you know. And the biggest problem we
had the wing tea was definitely we didn't know much
about the wing tea in Redwood City. And I learned
a lot more about it when I went to the
Super Bowl, because a lot of teams ran that wing Tea.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
The big biggest hurdle we had is they we ran
five fronts and where we were from California and they
ran six fronts, So you know, they were running at
six to two, and so we had a tough time
at first figuring out how to block it.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Jack, why don't you break down the roadw with city
forty nine ers the Redwood City forty nine ers. We'll
do a quick overview of Redwood City. The municipality as
it's okay, population eighty four and ninety two as of
the most recent census, the one hundred largest music municipalities California,

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one hundredth largest city town incorporated area in the state
of California.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Okay, it's one hundred.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Okay, go out of Citi's big state.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Sounds about right. It's in the Bay Area, twenty seven
miles south of San Francisco, twenty four miles northwest of
San Jose.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
In the middle. That's always the hub. You know, it's
funny you say that, Jack, I never knew the mileage
because Redwood City is always known to be in the middle.
It is, yeah, Silicon or yeah, the harbor, Yeah, the
Pet's Harbor was where the boats would come in.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
It's a tech hub as as Frank alluded to their
Oracle Electronic Arts. They make Madden e a sports Uh.
They're in Redwood City.

Speaker 8 (50:23):
Also shout out to the Redwood Shores Pullman Hotel. The
best night of sleep I've ever had in my entire life.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
Crowd Shores shout out, same fire department with different city,
isn't it?

Speaker 2 (50:35):
What was that?

Speaker 5 (50:37):
It's like Redwood City. Foster City is considered Rodwood City too.
Are they used the same?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I could? I don't know much about I could tell
you one thing. Those guys are going to be underwater
here soon. Brain cells places. It's all landfill. They do
not buy in Redwood Shores. They're putting tip.

Speaker 8 (50:55):
Isn't this isn't riverd City Also where the forty niners
practice facility.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yeah, right right, the right across the street where we
used to be and jewels used to go over there. Oh,
I thank you.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Hence the name the Redwood City forty nine ers and
some notable natives. We got to run through these real quick.
Of course. The man right here in front of us,
Julian Edelman Davante Adams. They claim him on Wikipedia. They
claim Redwood City, Roy Williams, Reagan Smith and Olympic swimmer
Greg Kimrio and of course our friend Kurt Dala Rosa.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah, that's right. Wow, I didn't realize we had so
many great guys from Redwood City.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Yeah, Davante.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
I think DeVante was born there and then he moved
to Palo Alto.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, So there's a little uh do you claim him
to Yanopol? Will clam him, will claim him for this episode.
And since we are talking to a former member of
the Redwood City forty nine ers, the former head coach,
we got a little intel on this roster, so we
can go through these guys the coaching staff, some notable names.
We got him up here on the.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Screen to moreno fort Spence Garrison thirty two.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Shout out Spence.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
It was Jeff Wayne Way Scott, Jeff Lang Scott, number
twenty seven, E J Sal It's s A, It's s Oa.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Oh jeez, so.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
You spell it. He was thirty three year with our fullback.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
He was huge. Yeah, he was big. He was like
our big boy. PJ.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
Pignatty was sixteen. He was our quarterback. Chris Reese was
our kicker. I think guard forty four Cogi Yamagata number
eighty lived in Foster City. Steven Arros one of my
bash bros for a long time. Number twenty Tony Barnes
played with him for years. It's one of our linemen.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Fifty five, tough up Aponu number twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
You got to add a couple more coaches up there.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Though we had, we had, we had. Also, Billy Ring
was on that team.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Billy Ring. You gotta add Billy Ring, who dad was
a forty nine er.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
Yeah, this is off, off off dome.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, this is off.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Don't like this is.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
But the coaches. We got to put Mike Flinn up there.
He's my buddy. Shout out Mike. Shout out Mike. And
Matt Flint was out there.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
How did you get into coaching or.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Your brother started? You know, I never really I played
one year of football half a year.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
It was weird. I had a weird upbringing. And I
played at Sequeo my freshman year until my mom moved away,
and then I moved away. I was in Redwood City
and then we moved to Sunnyville, and I uh when
I moved to Sunnyvale, and I was like, yeah, I
was a little, but uh I was. I was pretty good,

(53:42):
but I uh but I don't know what it was.
I always loved football. I loved Roman Gabriel, I love Slater,
I love the Rams and uh, gosh, you're catching me off.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
So inspire you to coach because you love the Ram.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
I just loved football. My brother played football, and I
love football, and I just never really had a real
opportunity to play. I was really good at flag, but flag,
you know, flag is not the same as tackle football.
All you flag players, It's cool, it's fun, but it
ain't the big boys. So anyway, I just loved it.

(54:22):
And so when Jason, your brother joined Pop Warner, I
just became involved and I started working as the equipment manager,
and I just then I met Guida, you know Guida.
The Guida family was like the godfathers of Pop Warner
in Aria and UH coach coach.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
Guida Gweeda, Frank Weeda, Bob Weeda.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, the Guida boys, the Gweedo men. And I just
got involved in eighty six and I started going to
coaching clinics and I started being an assistant coach, and
then I moved kind.

Speaker 12 (54:59):
Of moved up the latter Swag. What is his name,
Steve Swagg Swag. Yeah, he was a great guy, owned
copy mat he did. He was a president before me.
When he left I became president. He was actually a
great president. He's a great man. He's a good man.
I learned a lot from Steve Smart.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
What made this team so special?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Well, one of your goals in Pop Warner at that time,
we wanted to boost up when Steve left, I think
I can't remember it was in, but we boost we
We had to go to five football teams. So if
you have two junior pewee teams of thirty five on
each roster, and you're moving into the next level, which
is our level Peewee, my level, and you would go

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from seventy kids to thirty five kids, and then you
would have more better players. You'd have bigger rosters with betters,
bigger farm system exactly. So we were able to put
that together. And then it comes down to recruiting. So
if you go out and recruit, if you're just waiting
for your players to show up like some of these cities,

(56:00):
did you know not everybody would play. But if you
go out and who would you recruit? I told you
I went down to the east side to ask your mother,
ask anybody. I'd go down there. I forget the name
of the park. Yeah, I'd go to the I'd go
to the east side and I'd put up little forty
nine ers sign up signs and we'd go push it.
And I used to put out all the plaques all

(56:22):
over the east Side and we'd get the phone calls,
and that's how we would get, you know, better players
and more players. And you know, so once we went
to ten teams, which was five five, and we had
five cheerleading teams. So, I mean back then, when you're president,
it's different. You're looking at cheer and football. And so

(56:43):
we were able to go from eight teams to ten.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Teams, more farming system, more farming special team.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Because we had more kids, I was able to I
did a lot of recruiting, and we were able to
put together a lot of good players on one team.
It wasn't just they didn't show up. We worked. Your
dad worked for that.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
All right, All right, what are some of the coaching
techniques or that you help with these these kids? Did
you did you do anything special for linement techniques or anything?
How did you get a twelve year old to execute
at a high level.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
The first thing you gotta do is you got to
get steroids. So once you got to get them, how
to you know, you got to make sure they can
take a shot and everything's good, and then you get
their strength. Joking, by the way, I'm just joking.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
That's for dummies, Frank, I've heard about these legendary songs
they used to get these kids to learn these linement techniques.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, you know, I'll tell you what. The number one thing.
The number one thing in youth sports is fundamentals. We'd
spend a lot of time on set positions. We had
spent a lot of time on how to get off
the ball. What about the gaps? Okay, then the line.
Then we would have to create create We created songs
so especially for the offensive line, and we would what

(58:13):
was our song again, head up the play side. If
you're in the gap, we blocked that gap unless it's
a trap. So the number one thing is understanding who
to block, understanding the game. So we would spend a
lot of time on our offensive line knowing if we
have a guy head up the playside, that's who you
would block. Unless we're trapping. We would take the down block,

(58:33):
and then on the defensive side. You know we ran
the numbers game, you know we would ninety percent of
the time. We're in a thirty one position in our
inside guy would would take the guard would would be one,
his head would be his inside shoulder would be one,
and the head would be two and his outside shoulder
would be three, and then the tackle four, five, six.
But anyway, songs, fundamentals and doing the play forty times

(58:59):
until you get it right perfect.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
We gotta get this thing going all right, getting into
the lead up of this game, let's set the stage.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
We are down at the Wide World of Sports, Orlando, Florida,
Disney World Resort, only a year old at this point,
started ninety seven and ninety eight. So this thing is
brandon new, brand new. The Redwood City forty nine ers.
Not only were they undefeated this season, hadn't let up
a single point all year. This is this is true true,

(59:29):
that's incredible, insane. And then just a little foreshadowing here
on the rules.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Our defense. I gotta say, what thing about our defensive
coach was great? So you it was me? Hey, our
offensive coach was great? That was me?

Speaker 5 (59:46):
Yeah, full size baby, So no one helped you with anything.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
I don't want to come to offensive defense. I had positions,
I had position coaches.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
They didn't help with anything. You sound like an eye guy.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
No it was we. You sound like a No, it
was we. But I had line, I had Eric. Eric
helped my offensive line. Matt helped. Everyone helped Matt, you know,
but I still ran. I was a coordinator on both sides.
I made the calls. I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
Oh my little league dad totally.

Speaker 8 (01:00:17):
Can you can you place us? So you want a
few games to get to here?

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
We're now in Orlando. There's still one more game after this.

Speaker 8 (01:00:23):
If you win this game, just give us a couple
of game placement of where we are in the season
for this.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
So we went undefeated I think ten. And oh, then
you you play a playoff game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Two playoff games?

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
I thought, No, it was North Section takes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
So then you go to the regionals.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
Had to get to didn't we.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
I think we had to play Sonnyville.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
That wasn't the first one. That was our second game?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Oh that's right. The first one was was that the
mud game Mountain View that was at Bay Cities.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Maybe, no, that was Coyote Creek. The year before.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I think we played three games. Do we play three games?
Play a game?

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Then you go to North Section? We played Sannyville, we
beat them, and then we.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Played over there we played O Grow the championship.

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
And then we went to Nevada and played a Nevada team. Yeah,
and then we came to Florida. So this this was
our fifteenth game. How many was a fifteenth game?

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I got a story six, I got a story for you.
Show you think I'm a I'm a whack job and
and you know it's okay. So we were up in Reno, right,
and Joe Tobia was our commissioner, and we were playing
that Nevada squad and they were kind of good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Yeah they had tough white boy running back there too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah they were kind of good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
He's big, but it was only him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
And I think we only beat him twenty eight to nothing,
and I think.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
We beat him thirty three. We had a three in
the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
And like at halftime, Joe comes from and goes, why
aren't you whipping her? But what's going on? Are they good?
Why an't you whopping him? I was going on, I
had to get my four play players done. I can't remember,
but it's like, so I'm not the only whack jobb
our Commissioner was saying, I want you to whoop these guys.
Joe love Joe. Yeah he ran that thing, Joe. I'll

(01:02:11):
tell you another story. So you're going to tell you
the story. Yes, Freez, Yes. So back then, Jamboree was
your final way and date, so you had to suck
these kids down. I'd always come in with heavyweights and
older lighters. The older lighters had they were tough guys,

(01:02:31):
like jewels and arrows. You had to make sure they
were they were twelve and under, like eighty five pounds,
and that was always tough. But those were your bucks.
And then you had your linement one five of the heavyweights.
So Jamboree day they start August first. When you get
down there on the thirty first is your last day
and you have to make sure your kids are all making.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
The first This is the official win, This is the
official final way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
And to make the team.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Oh, it's like a big thing. It's like an event.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
It's a big event. It's it's there's.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
No game, but all the teams are there to have weigh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Ins, right, and so when when that happens, you know,
you have to make sure, like we'd get up in
the morning, everybody would take a big poop. I'd have
all the art. Used to have the guys with me,
like reached the big heavyweights. I haven't spend the night,
and we'd make sure they go poop in the morning
before we go down. And then we would go meet

(01:03:28):
at the gym, remember the gym.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
And they may be spitting the whole time spitting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
And we'd go meet. We'd go meet at Jim West.
There used to be a gym down there, and we'd go,
oh my gosh, you know, we needed a real official scale,
and he'd be like three pounds over. So we there
was this really foggy room there, you know, it was
like kind of hot inside, and we would put those
kids in that little foggy room, right and and how

(01:03:54):
long upuntil they turned into raisins And we put him
in that room, you know, because we had to like
maybe we had to drop two or three pounds, and
we had to be official, you know, and so and
so we would we would do that, right, and so
then we go to jamboree. We were the only guys
that did that. Nobody else would do that. We were

(01:04:16):
the only ones, and we won the super Bowl. We
won the championship. And so after the super Bowl, Joe
Toby calls me. He goes, Hey, goes Frank. I go what.
He goes, I got film with you at Jim West
sucking down players. I go, no, really, and I go,

(01:04:36):
where'd you get that? He goes Heatherington Bob. I go
the coach I fired from the midgets that used to
wrap his kids in plastic bags and have him run.
And he goes, yeah, I go, what do we do?
He goes nothing, I'll take care of it. So Joe,
thank you. I don't know if you can use that,
you know what I mean? He man Genie, he manjeaneing

(01:05:01):
me exactly. But anyway, that was the story, and Joe
let it go. Joe let it go. Joe let it
go because you know why, because I was the only
guy that did that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
All right, let's get on this game. Let's run through
this game. I was not at this game. Kyler was
not at this game. We have two primary sources with
us here today, and we had this game on DVD.
We watched this thing from kickoff to the final whistle
before we started this episode. It was awesome. Let's run
back through it to set the stage. It's December ninth,
nineteen ninety eight. We're in December, Orlando. It's eighty three

(01:05:38):
degrees today was eighty three. I was looking it up.
They had that on file.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
Yeah, I felt like it was so much harder because
it was humid.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Oh yeah, the humidity was through the roof that day.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
And we didn't know humid as you can say. But
I just remember the football fields like we're you know,
in the nineties, there wasn't the urf fields. There wasn't
turf field yit. So you go to high schools and
they were dog shit. There'd be fucking dirt passages in
the middle and stuff. And I remember when we walked
on this field, we felt like pros. Remember that I do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Yeah, that's kind of when soccer started getting in girls
sports started getting in and all the fields were ruined. Yeah,
that was a big thing, you know when I when
I was when we were running the president, you know,
when I was president, and we had to keep the
fields clean and we had to start rotating. And then,
you know, prior to that, it was only football and baseball.

(01:06:35):
That was all there was. And then then all of
a sudden, soccer came in and then girls sports all
good stuff for good reasons, but it would abuse the fields.
And then the fields were just turning the mud pits.
And then that's when this astro turf and you know,
the different turf started coming in, which was right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Is an anti turf podcast, but yeah, yes, back to
the game at hand. Here today tangent, big, big size disparty.
I mean, these kids, if we could go back and
look at birth certificates, one guy for sure, thirty five,
he's so big it felt like it was ten guys though,
thirty five Spike dominating full Daniel Monte running back. They

(01:07:12):
were lining up his name again, Oh man Anthony uh
Petronelli or something and his name anybody knows Naperville and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
Naperville ninety eight team.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
We got a comment because we want to see his
goddamn oh crap, six D bucks.

Speaker 8 (01:07:36):
Hold on anyone actually who was a part of this game,
and there's any more information, please call our tip lines.

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Yeah, please call it tip seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
So to start this thing off, we're struggling to move
the rock the Redwood City forty nine.

Speaker 13 (01:07:47):
We can't get I think first drive we fumbled the
first drive thirty five gashes us on a draw play
up the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Second play force of fumble. We're hype, can't do anything
with it. But that leads us to the other story
of the first half, which is Steven Arrows punting. I mean,
he's like, it's like Johnny Ecker out there.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Steven Arrows by far was the MVP of this game.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Insane.

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
I mean Steve not only just in the punt game,
but we'll get into later. He had the screen for
a touchdown on defense like he had great plays because
this was a tricky, tricky like wing te defense. Yes,
by go ahead the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
First time seeing the wing t offense that year. As
we mentioned earlier, that bear front like we had our
hands full. And then you look at the difference in
the game and it comes down to special teams and
flipping the field. We're flipping the field every which way.
Sure we got a punt. I think it was six
punts in the first half. Oh, I mean, we're flipping
the field. And Frank talked about it when we were

(01:08:50):
watching it. The importance of it's a hidden weapon in
pob Warner is having a good punt game.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Punt game is important, very important specialty.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
Just our first time punting, but not we.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Had a good punt. Team were barely punted, that's true,
but we still had a good punting.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
In the second quarter, Steven Arrow's doing more great. Steven
Arrows things. Picks up a first down on a fake punt.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
I don't think it was a fake punch.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
I think it was about to get blocked and he
pulled it down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
It worked itolition. Yeah, no fake punt.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
But in the second quarter, the levee finally broke this
little play action counter waggle scene pass that Naperville was
loving to thirty five. It was working, it was working,
and then it finally got him down to the goal line.
They ran the same thing, punched it in number thirty five,
but the air in the air, in the air, but
they missed the pat. So we're down six to nothing

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at the half third.

Speaker 8 (01:09:50):
But real quick, just because rules Pop Warner, at this level,
a pat kick is worth two points, and a two
point conversion or run the ball is only worth one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Point, foreshadowing that'll come in handy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Also, let's not this was the first time you guys
were scored on all.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Year, first time scored on all year.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Well, who almost cried? What was going on? There was
almost crying. I was devastated.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Terrible loser, Saint Jude. We're building a whole new wing
on that thing after this episode. But halftime down six nothing,
A lot of oranges consumed. We're getting our vitamin C,
we're getting our hydration back. Frank, you remember any of
the messaging or or any of the speeches going on
at halftime in this one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Yeah, it was just we had to play physical. Yep,
we we you know that waggle. We had to hit
that quarterback to make sure that he knew what was
going on when he'd come out of that waggle in
the barn side and we had to stop that big boy.
Oh my god, I know. And so the message was
gang tackling. Hit him, hit him, hit him, hit him. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
We remained scoreless for most of the third quarter, finally
down in the waning minutes of the third quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Sorry, I want to go back on one more thing.
Sorry jack uh.

Speaker 8 (01:11:04):
You had a quarterback, PJ broke his wrist a game prior.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
To this our starter?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Can you can we talk about him for a starter?

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
We go and we played Oak Grove and he was
just he was a great little quarterback because like Pop Warning,
you throw the ball maybe four or five times a game,
maybe three, and PJ would he'd be able to dot it,
you know what I mean, he'd always hate either Cogi
or we had these little running back release plays and uh,
in like garbage time after we're blowing out Oak Grove

(01:11:36):
to go was it Oak Grove or was it in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
The I can't remember. I think it was. I think
it's I think it's commented on TVD. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
He uh, he broke his arm and Tafa Papuno had
to come in and Tafa Papoo only had one game
under his belt and that was in Rena when we
played against the Nevada team and then but so like
this was a big game for Talfa. I mean, backup
quarterback comes in and just like for twelve year olds,
being able to get a play communicated running an offense.

(01:12:08):
I mean there was a couple of fumble snaps here
and there, but I mean it's the kid hadn't played
all year.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Like losing your best picture when you go into the Williams.
Yeah it was. It was devastating.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
So he started the backup started this game here backup
started this game, but PJ got in the game in
the second quarter.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
PJ came in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
What's the coaching decision on that one? Now, if I
remember right, he PJ was our quarterback, and you know,
we we went to we went to the championship, the
National Championship in Disneyland and went PJ wanted to play,
so we rigged it up that his cast he would
have a free hand. He broke his wrist. You know,

(01:12:51):
that's a common break and pop warner for kids, and uh,
he just wanted to play, and so we made it
happen that he would be able to play in the
big games.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Making dreams come true.

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
But he only I think he played what he probably
played quarterback or something. He may have got hurt again
or something, but he had a little spark. I think
he had one run reception.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Shout out to PJ.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Then shot out to PJ and tough of papou PJ.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
I love you guys, great guys.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
They really Brady bled soe that thing late in the
third quarter. We're driving. Earlier in the game, we tried
the middle screen a few times. Wasn't quite there, but
it was showing signs of maybe this could work. Maybe
this is something we can exploit. Uh, twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Yards, I believe to Steven Arrows, No.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
I think it was like sixty five.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
It was a long I mean it was like about
to do that thing.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
I think it was like sixty seventy five. It was
like a sixty five yard.

Speaker 8 (01:13:45):
Screen screen was the yard marks weren't.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
We'll go with Yeah, it was like a fifty yarder.
We were at midfield. Yeah, we were like, yeah, maybe
even may.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Frank diald it up perfectly. So a minute fourteen left
in the third tie this thing up six six. Can't
move the ball on them.

Speaker 5 (01:14:07):
Coach, coach walk us through the screenplay. Yes, why did
you call that play at that time? No tangenting or
just do you want to want to answer nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
We don't want to know about fundamentally, why did you
call these plays?

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Because these guys were running that sixth front. They were
hitting every gap and they were coming across the line
of scrimmage. Linebackers were coming forward. So when we ran
that middle screen, I noticed that these guys. I ran
it in the third in the second quarter, and I go,
oh my god, we just we just didn't execute the play.
And I said Okay, I got to hold this. We
had to get through more MPR get all the other

(01:14:40):
players played, and that left us with three dbs. You know,
they were playing a cover three, so once they continued
to just come through every gap and then we just
held it for the right time and when we ran
that screen, they were all they didn't hold up. They
were coming across that line of scrimmage, so we caught him.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
Great play by Talfa to get it off. Yes, because
he got tipped a couple of times. I believe this
one even got tipped in another great catch by Steven
Arros to catch the deflected ball.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
He had a great cut back. It was a great run.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
He's skinned up a guy, meaning he attacked him, gave
himself a two way go and then cut back on
a guy.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
It was. It was a really great play.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Stephen played too at Medlow. He went and play. Stephen
was a great ballplayer.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Great kid had to play here by Steve to tie
this thing up. And it's uh. As we mentioned earlier,
the rules with extra points and point after attempts. Couldn't
run the ball very well on these guys couldn't throw
the ball very well. We got a backup. So we
Frank Alex to kick the extra point, which is worth
two points, two points. And this thing, well, I walk

(01:15:46):
us through this, this two point kick.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
So I'll tell you guys, were we weren't running the
ball well, so we said, okay, Recie. We had Reese,
Christopher Reese. He would like run a full speed and
kick them with his toe full speed. It was like,
but he did it like seven out of ten times.
I mean he did it. It was ugly, but it worked.

(01:16:10):
And my mother died in July, Jules's grandmother. And so
the reason I bring that up is, weird things happen.
You know, like Brett Farv the ninety threw five touchdown
passes against the Raider. You know how weird things happen.
You know how the Patriots came back and one is
all the loop moons a line that weird stuff that
happens in sports. I'm telling you it happens. And we

(01:16:34):
went to elect to kick the ball. That ball hit
the upright, the right, upright doom and dinged in. And
I swear to this day it was my mom saying, honey,
you're gonna win and knock that ball in. But that's
what happened and we scored up.

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
Eight to six.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
The score would stay that way until the very final
whistle of this game, but it was saved by a
Jewels one and did interception with five minutes left in
the game. After that we ran the clock out. The
defense made a great stand in this thing ends eight
to six, and we go on to beat the oak Cliff.

(01:17:12):
Our words in the.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
Super here and then on the ste Yeah we played
two our words.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Yeah, yeah, we played two hard words. Do you remember
that interception?

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
I didn't remember until I saw it now, but then
I kind of remember it when I when.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
I saw jogged your memory.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
Then I remember, like I didn't really play a great game.
They were pretty like all over us and the in
the run game, but I always then it clicked that
I remember after the game, like a lot of guys
made good plays in certain situations, like Eric Braino had
a big tackle on a punt that got them all
the way back. Uh Steven had like insane punts, big play.

(01:17:52):
I remember e J sal had a he had an interception.
Didn't he Ej have an interception? No, he had a
he had one, you know, like a big play, big place, you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Know, I know I'm a homer. I know, I'm a dad,
full full on dad, right, but I got to tell
you something. Every athlete has a big play moment, and
some guys make that big play in the big game,
in the big moment, and other guys don't make that

(01:18:23):
big play.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
Now you see why we used to fight because he
used to try, right, and I would just say, like,
can you get to the point, like let's go well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Again, you made the big interception two minutes left in
the game. They were down inside our twenty, weren't they.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Yeah, but this is a team sport.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
It is a team sport. But somebody's got to make
the big.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
Play steps did when he made a touchdown sixty five yarder.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Championship teams have more than one.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
All right, all right, little league dad omer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
I know you like to downplay yourself, but my job
as a parent is to upplay you. No, that's it.

Speaker 8 (01:19:02):
So it's wrapped up. Jack said, score, and then you
went on to go to the Super Bowl, which you won.
This is very similar to the miraclean Ice where you
had to beat the Russians in the semi final game
to get to the gold medal game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Yeah, and the team we played. They were Texas team.
They were they were they were fast, and they were
really big. They were good. Uh, fortunately maybe they were
just a little undisciplined and we beat them twenty two
to nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
The aftermath of this game, pops, we go on, We
beat Aperville eight to six. Rc our team goes on
to win the Peewe super Bowl Championship super Bowl against
the Oak Cliff Our Words Texas team. We beat them
twenty two zero. How do we celebrate this game? I

(01:19:55):
don't do you remember?

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
No? You know, yeah, if you remember, it was like
we were up in the hotel room and do you remember, uh,
what's two Pakalani and he was out front having a
couple of cocktails and all you heard was him going
remember how he used to laugh? So the Tongans were

(01:20:18):
up there having fun. Yeah, and some Owens. Yeah. The
Tongans and some OANs were having all the fun. And
we were just enjoyed watching them. So that was pretty
much it. It was great they were I mean, it
was just awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
Then we go on like a we went to a
water park afterwards or something.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Oh, that's right, you are right. We went to we
went to New York the Epcot New York City and
it was snowing. They had the snow going. You remember that.
They had great food. It was like we were in
the downtown New York and we got to uh walk

(01:20:56):
down that street. It was awesome. Yeah, that's right. You
celebrate a boy going to Epcot. Well, we did go
to Epcot, but there's a place in Disney World where
they do filming. You know. It's kind of like uh Hollywood,
and so they have streets of New York or streets
of Chicago.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
The whole They shut up the thing for us, the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Yeah, the whole Pop Warner it was shut off, and
we were all we were all in there and there
was food up and down the streets and they had
it snowing and it was It was really amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
Actually, it was so fun. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
Imagine being with all your like friends when you're twelve
years old, missing a week of school, going to Disneyland,
playing a couple of Disney World, play a couple of
football games.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
And you got Christmas break coming up.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
We had Christmas living.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Yeah, you guys got a week off of school for this,
Well we didn't. We took a week off.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Well yeah, gotta get the body ready. You gotta get
down there, walk through everything made a week off. What
do you say when you win the Super Bowl but
you already had disney World. We're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Die. We're want Disney World.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
If you would have had the film of Naperville, what
coaching change would you have made?

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
What adjustment would you have adjusted?

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Well, I would have definitely you know, familiarized our team
with that six front. I'm not really sure. I'd have
to Uh, I'd have to watch it on film. We
never really, I never really played a lot of six fronts.
You know, everyone down in our area it was all
pretty much five fronts or four fourst But those those

(01:22:35):
outside men were off the ball or they they'd widen
them up and we'd have big you know, four gaps,
big three gaps, three.

Speaker 14 (01:22:42):
Holes and four holes. But I don't know, i'd have
to study it. What was the score of the Super Bowl?
The actual game against Oak Cliff twenty so this was
the Super Bowl? Yeah, kind of was.

Speaker 8 (01:22:54):
Yeah, it's like when the Patriots used to play the
Colts in the scamp.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Kind of like when the Patriots played the uh Kansas
City Chiefs, you know, but still it was a close game.

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
That probably the other way around because Naperville had already
been there. We weren't the Patriots, we were the Chiefs. Yeah,
and then finally they came over. We only did it once.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
You guys never went back. This is the one year. Yeah, yeah,
I moved up with Jules. When Jeels went up, I
went up and coached the junior midgets with coach Cuita,
and then I became the head coach of the midgets
and we got knocked out by Oak Grove. We got
to the final game again with our team. With this team,
he was where was he? Tyrell? Tyrell was like he

(01:23:37):
had like three or four national championships at the midget level,
midget levels. Tough. That's thirteen fourteen. But remember he remember
when you played them. Yeah, they whooped us. They whooped us.

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
They had like eight older lighters, fourteen, they had guys
driving to it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Yeah, I mean it was they were fourteen.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
But Dad hair under no, you could be fifteen in midge.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
I was fourteen fourteen, thirteen fourteen, yeah, thirteen fourteen.

Speaker 8 (01:24:02):
Did you get up playing with I know we talked about Spans,
but anyone else from this River City team that you
played high school with or played like further Ono.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
A lot of the midget players came went to Woodside.
I don't remember the midget team. Uh yeah, I kind.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
Of thought of guys went to Sequoia too.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
Yeah, remember Zataan went to Zequia who was on the
Sam Sam Sam with my ass in high school and
when we were twelve and we were eight.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Yeah, I'm sure it had nothing to do with your mouth. Frank.

Speaker 8 (01:24:38):
Where does this rank? This game rank among your favorite
games of all time? I would say they prevailed my
Our favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Game of all time was was when I finally beat Sonnyville.
You know that was that was our biggest game. Was
that coach Dolf Dolf or Sonnyville. He was a great coach.
They the Sunnyvale Rockets were that was the last night
and pee wee that's right, the Black Knights rock kind
of midget. Yeah, Junior Midge, now that it took me

(01:25:06):
like five years, four years to beat him. He beat
me every year in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
And I coached the ting Boys.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Yeah, the two things.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
They were twins and they went to USC.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
They were like the baddest little dudes they were.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
And he was a quarterback. We used to throw the
ball a lot with him, Ran and Ryan Brandon and Ryan.
They were little studs. Yeah, they were studs and we
we shucks. We used to throw the ball. I'd say
twelve thirteen times. I'd always hit my backs. Those guys
were good. They were real good and real smart.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
They were quick. Yeah, and they were athletics.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
So yeah, they were ding ding ding ding ding ding
ding ding ding ding. What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Oh that is another one. Put it in the pot.
Eight hundred bucks, eight hundred bucks, eight hundred bucks.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
Rich Eisen for you, rich baby, what's the fun for.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Change? Thomas Danny for Saint Jude's Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Love, Rich.

Speaker 5 (01:26:02):
But the integrity score, we just had an integrity episode.
The score kind of got me with the.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
I'm glad, Frank said some I'm so numb to it
at this point, I didn't even hear the I didn't
my my alarm bells didn't even go off.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
That should be a thing Coast for for Rich every
time somebody swears on this podcast, we should donate money
to Saint ju What a great No, it's all my reminders.
I wanted it, you know, I just when I see
that commercial. I just cry literally, you know, and the things.
We have so many good people in this world, and

(01:26:35):
that's just a wonderful place if your child was sick,
it's just h you know, it's just awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
That they're everywhere everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Big One's in Memphis, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Kind of Shank Jude and Shriners. You know, I think
there's more Shriners in San Francisco, but similar I think.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Man, i'mbout to tear up just thinking about it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:55):
Yeah, what's the importance of you sports for kids in
the generations and the youth. What do you think? What
do you think kids get out of youth sports?

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
You know, I always thought a board mind was a
wandering mind, and I think it's important to keep your
kids active and involved, whether it be sports, whether it
be dancing, whether it be chest whether it be booger picking.
I don't really care what you're going to do. Whatever
you do, do it well, practice it and get good

(01:27:29):
at it, and involve yourself. That's what I think is
important youth sports. We were a competitive group. We played
like the higher levels. It's not for everybody, but you know,
as long as we're moving our body, we're being active.
We're thinking we're learning competition. I think competition you got

(01:27:50):
to have a loser in a competition, so you know,
there's really no loser, right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
Why do you have to have a loser in competition.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Because you've got to have a winner? Why would be?
It's just the way it is.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
And it's because you got to teach kids the failures
of the future that they're going to have.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
That it's okay to fail.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
That's very well said, Thank you, son.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
Yes, it's okay to fail, and you're going to fail,
but you need to know that you're going to fail.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Right, well said. I just think it's important, you know.
And I don't think as long as you're applying yourself
and you're doing something, even if you do lose, you're
still a winner. You're still competing, you know. So I
think those are important things for children and everybody. Losing
is only a failure if you don't learn from it.
Yeah why why? Well said?

Speaker 8 (01:28:33):
And then so I've always I played youth football around
this time. I've always been adamant about youth football because
it taught me ship. God damn, it taught me things
I never was able to learn at school. Like, so,
can you as someone who's been around a lot of
young men and women learning and playing football, Like, what

(01:28:55):
things do football? How does football and you football specifically
help make better people?

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Wow? Well, we coached Jules, I coached little league, and
I coached football. Football was our main sport. But you
know football, it's man on man or human on human,
you know, and you really learn if you're mono on
mono and you apply yourself with every ounce of your

(01:29:22):
energy fighting for that one yard, you really learn what
hard work is. You really learn what achievement is by
utilizing your body your mind to achieve that goal that
you know football, It was just like, I mean, ten
yards is not a lot, but it really is in

(01:29:43):
football to try to pick up that first down. You know.
That was always the great thing about football for me,
just the effort you have to put in to gain
that inch and if you do gain it, you know
you learn something from it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
So that that makes better young men?

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Yeah, I think it. What it makes is they understand
how far they can apply themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:30:10):
Working together, working together, setting goals, sacrificing, learning each other.
Like those are the things you learned? Yeah, I got
one more, sapping yelled at I get yeah, you make
me so.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
I for you.

Speaker 8 (01:30:25):
So in this episode, we've saw how much time and
energy and importance you put on youth sports. You were
president of a youth football program, and your son obviously
went on to have a great football career. Not everyone
gets to do that, not every kid in that program.
What was it like for you as a parent to,
you know, put all this time and energy with your

(01:30:45):
kids and your family and see, you know, your son
go off and do this, do what he aspire to do.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
How did that come from your perspective? How did that
make you feel? It's tough, you know, it's uh, the
hard work they put in. You know, obviously you always
want to win, right And we just talked about winning
and losing, but you learn, you know, you learn about
winning and losing. But when it's your own child and

(01:31:14):
the media, and you know, when everybody's watching and they
start criticizing your child, or if your child gets nicked up,
or if your child fails or makes a mistake, it hurts.
I mean there was times in Julian's career where his
mother and his sister would shut the drapes on game day.

(01:31:38):
We wouldn't let anybody over because there was always like,
you know, I first started out as a party. Everybody
was coming over and you're having a good time, not me.
But and then you know, once Jiells would get dinged up,
it's like, okay, you guys all got to go out,
gone see you letter by And so that was like
game one. And then you know, as he grew up

(01:31:59):
in the professional level, we stopped having friends over because
it's just complete anguish, you know. And I thought we
were weird until I went to my first game in
New England. They put us in where the parent section
is and I was with my oldest son, Jason, and
mom and I can't remember if Nick was there. And

(01:32:21):
we thought we were weird because me and my wife
would not sit together. She'd sit over there, I'd sit
over there because we'd just fight. And and so when
we got in the stands, everybody was the same.

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
Every parent he was like.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
We were like, I don't want to be the gay.
He better not make a mistake. Oh god, I hope
he doesn't get hurt. Oh my god. We're like, hey,
we're normal. You know, every parent thinks the same way.
And if you're in if you don't have a kid
playing pro ball. You just don't know and shut up.
Shame on you. You know, mom and dad, brother and sister,
family members, they go, it's it's it is hard and

(01:33:02):
it's heartbreaking and it's jubilation. I was fortunate. We won
three Super Bowls. We played with Brady Gronk, all those guys,
I mean we it was uh, it's more than you
can imagine. And then you know Jules turning his career
into what it what it was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
There were questions Jack oh Man off based on that one,
picking up where Frank left off there. Frank, I've seen
the BTS footage here, so I have a little bit
of an idea. But to piggyback off that last point,
what was that feeling like running down from the stands
down through the tunnel that Mercedes been Stadium there in
Atlanta once you had just found out Jewels one MVP

(01:33:48):
and you're running out on it like I've even ran
into Urban I did.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
I ran into Urban Meyer, I was running down. I
think I was hobbling. I did that. I might hip
done after that. Yeah, I think my hip was messed up.
I couldn't barely walk, let alone run. And we were
running down and I'm I was always an Urban Meyer fan.
I really liked him when he was at Bowling Green
because we were in the Mac and that kind of

(01:34:14):
you know, you recruit me and no, I get it.
I get it by the ultimate Mac Daddy.

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
He just asked me to come. He asked me to
come talk to the team. I go, why would I
come talk to your Ohio State team? I didn't go
to Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
We you had five racks of Ohio State, one little
spot for Cleveland, and there was one jersey over there
at Kent State. I always I remember that going to Cleveland.
When when you were playing at Kent, when you walk
into a store to see memorabiliy of the Cincinnati Bengals
or the Cleveland Browns, you couldn't find it. There was

(01:34:48):
one little spot. The whole shelves were all full of
Ohio State everything. Ohio State. Yeah, I never see It's
like in Rewid City, it's like forty nine ers everywhere,
you know, h.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
We're prown area.

Speaker 13 (01:35:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:35:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:35:02):
He had Cayle Stanford, which, yeah, you go down to
the south, you go to Ohio, you go to Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Yeah, they love it. I was like Ohio State. So
when down in the balls in the state, I'm getting
on the field. Yeah, we're drive by. I go Urban, Yeah,
it's driving. I was running down and uh, I go
Urban Meyer, how you doing. I'm Eleman's dad, And he goes, oh,
great player. You know we shook hands. That's the only
way you can get in with these guys. If you
if I popped you know Jules's name, and then they're

(01:35:32):
always cool. I'll tell you it's not. It wasn't unexpected.
Jules has always you know, and I know I'm his dad,
and I've been heckling you about all this stuff. But
the truth is he always seemed to come through in
the biggest moments, in the biggest games. He's just that's

(01:35:54):
that's just the way it was.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
I love that. Yeah, oh man, I love it. And
one last leftover question and that we didn't get to.
We touched on one of the great frankisms at the
beginning of the show. When you're green, you grow, when
you're ripe, you're right. Are there any other great frankisms
that come to mind that well.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
You know, I'm guilty. That was I'm guilty of twenty
seven years ago when Jewels was playing when he was
a little feller, I would always try to be a
step ahead of him. So I would I would, you know,
I would study isms, I would look for something to say.
I always had to have something ready because Jewels was
kind of a rascal, and so I always had to

(01:36:32):
be an inch ahead of him. And I'll tell you
one of I always hated this. We almost had a
shot to go to the bowl game at Kent, and
Coach Martin let Jewels come home. We had a two
week break before the bowl game or a four week break, yeah,
and Jewels. Coach let Jewles come home for a week,

(01:36:54):
you know, because they had this great season. Winning six
games at Kent was like unbelievable, right, and so and
when he came home, him and Kurt were downstairs, you know,
and there was a lot you know, like I said earlier,
nothing good happens after twelve. Well, you know, it's my boy,
And I said, Jewels, you do realize that drinking on

(01:37:17):
Thursdays causes flubbed snaps on Saturdays. So remember that one, Jewels. Yeah,
So I like that one. I always had to come
up with little isms, uh. And the reason was is
to try to keep my boy, try to be ahead

(01:37:38):
of them jewels. Do you have a favorite one?

Speaker 5 (01:37:40):
We were like real young, like ten, I just serve
my dad saying just adapt or die.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Overcome or die. What's the what's the bird cage? Oh,
yesterday's news is in the bottom of bird cage. What
do you do with it? You throw it away?

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
Now you put it on the bottom of a bird cage.
So a good ship on?

Speaker 5 (01:38:05):
Yeah, yeah, you think that's good. That was yesterday old newspaper.
You put on the bottom of the bird cage and
get shipped on.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Yeah, no doubt Jack.

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
We missed anything.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
We were pretty darn good. Uh had to get those in.
Shout out to Oak.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
Grove, Oh Cliff Grove, Oh Cliff.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Oh Cliff, Texas, home of our former guest Kenyan Martin.
Just had to give him a little shout out there,
big football guy to big football guy. Big football A
lot of in this episode. You got me confused with that,
but yeah, great episode. It was really really, really darn
cool to finally get I think the name's.

Speaker 5 (01:38:43):
Got to be I think it's got to be has
to do with Redwood City. Yeah, it's got to be
simply the best game or something else that that was
our song. Yeah, my dad used to throw that on
after wins. Tina Turney simply the best.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
Yeah, and then the Champions. Whenever we won the champion,
we play the Queens song. We are the Champions. Simply
the best game.

Speaker 8 (01:39:09):
I love that, not this one's this one.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
No, no, that has not to do with me. These
guys did it all. It was. It was awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:39:18):
The simply the best game, the simply.

Speaker 8 (01:39:22):
The best game, simply the best game. Simply the simply
the best. Yeah, take the dog out of there.

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
Okay, so we got the new scoring system. We let
the guests give their scores. Let's score the game. Is
this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it
pops zero to ten decimals, okay, zero being terrible, ten
being perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
I'll go seven to five.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
What are the stakes of this game?

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Oh? Okay, the steaks. The stakes of this game were high.
You know. The stakes in the game was the super Bowl.
I mean I I don't know if you can get
much higher than that. So I gotta go at ten,
you know, I mean right, I mean, well, you lose,
you go home, you win, you go to the super Bowl.
It's a NFCFC Championship game ten. Yeah, it's not the

(01:40:13):
super Bowl. It's not the super Bowl, but for us
it was. Okay, Joels, you still have to score too.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
For me, I gotta give it a nine flat nine
flat star power Dad, zero to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Well, we got one NFL player in there. Yeah, you know,
so I'll go star power.

Speaker 8 (01:40:35):
You know, we'll go seven to five higher than hockey games, okay,
professional hockey games, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Jeels, you gotta do star star power.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
Yeah, it's probably like a three, Dad too, I'm only
worth two points, Okay, to give me a two.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
Yeah, you're probably right on that.

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
A lot of Rover Seed legends. But I mean we've
had Super Bowls. You want too, we had ten Hall
of famers on a field, Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl gameplay Dad.

Speaker 4 (01:41:02):
Zero to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
I'll go seven to five, seven five.

Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
Yeah, there's a defensive battle, but there was good interceptions,
good special teams, you know, doink kick the doink?

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Yeah, the single dink, the single the single doink game.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
I'll go.

Speaker 5 (01:41:22):
Seven point three. The name of the game simply the best.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
That's oh so I have to Yeah, I'll go that's
a great name. Simply the best game, right, simply the
best game. I'll go seven to five. I'll go seven,
five to two.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
Dead five point seven. That's still respectable winner game.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
What Pop Warner game, We're respectable, respectable.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
About five point seven? That puts us just ahead of
the twenty fourteen TBT final team Barstool versus the Notre
Dame alums.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
That is it? Okay, that's where we should be. Yeah,
and then right and then.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Never would get bumped down.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Yeah, twenty nine things with.

Speaker 8 (01:42:00):
The twenty fourteen and I'll do this game two Giants
versus Nationals.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
That feels right. That feels right, car Stool, I mean Systems,
big Belly players.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
Big Cat and star Fish.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
We missed anything, Pops.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Yeah, we did miss one thing. Do you remember when
we when we went out and practiced after the Naperville game,
We went out practiced in the parking lot. We did
a walk through in the parking lot for like three hours,
well Disney Hotel. I was like, we're gonna do this
over and over again. I think I got I got
may have got something on the Texas team and I

(01:42:39):
was out there, We're trying to get you guys up
to par.

Speaker 5 (01:42:43):
What's his name, probably gave you the Commission probably gave
you some intel.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
Yeah, probably got some intel.

Speaker 5 (01:42:50):
You want to plug anything, podcast, plug anything?

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Pops. No, I think we've been pluging.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
Wait, how's retirement going? You were tired?

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Yeah, you know, not really. I don't really know what
you keep me so, you know, your businesses keep me busy.
I appreciate you let me work with you and uh
no serious, you know, but closing a one, you know, put.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
That shirt down, that little little belly showing what they
call it dick dude.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
Who Okay, that's not a bad word. That's a richer due. No,
you know, I you know, it's funny. It's been in
my my reminders. Saint Jude's and I really had nothing
to do with the rich Eisend thing. It really had
to do with those commercials and you know Marlo Thomas

(01:43:39):
and her dad, it would you know, that's just stuck
in my you know head when you're our age. But
so I think we've plugged that pretty good. We how
much money did we make them?

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
We made the Saint Jude Children's Hospital eleven Hunt's go.

Speaker 5 (01:43:55):
Good job, guys, just wear all right, all right, we're
done with the show.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Dad.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
But we usually don't do this.

Speaker 5 (01:44:02):
We usually don't keep you know, the guests on when
we do post segment shows. But since your pops and
you're staying at the house, yeah, I mean they can't
kick you out. Okay, gotcha, So, uh, why don't you
stick around. We're gonna hit the hotline together. Okay, this
is fans that call in, and remember fans call the
number four two four two nine one two two nine zero.

(01:44:26):
Let's get into it.

Speaker 9 (01:44:28):
Hey, Julian, a while ago on the Games with Name podcast,
you said for people to leave questions and things for Frank,
but I'd like to leave something for both your father
and your mother. I would like to thank them both

(01:44:49):
for raising the family that they did, because not only
did they change one life, but they changed many.

Speaker 11 (01:44:56):
So please thank them both for me.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
Thanks.

Speaker 5 (01:44:59):
Bye?

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
That is that a question?

Speaker 7 (01:45:01):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
We thank you? That was awful. Nice. We thank you you.
Hope we do. I can't talk either. I hope we've
done well for you.

Speaker 7 (01:45:11):
Hi, this is Sniky.

Speaker 11 (01:45:13):
My question is for when you have Frank on.

Speaker 9 (01:45:15):
I was just wondering either what moment or what part
of Julian's career is that's most proud of great episodes lately.

Speaker 11 (01:45:22):
Look forward to the next week.

Speaker 6 (01:45:23):
Thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
You know it's uh, it's a funny thing when your
child becomes a professional athlete. You have moment after after
a moment. I don't mean to say it, but it's
a repeatable statement to say. I mean, there's just been
so many.

Speaker 4 (01:45:41):
One moment that makes you proud that one moment.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
Save the question, I would say, no, no, I'll be
honest with you. I would say his first game against
the Philadelphia Eagles, when he ran his touchdown back and
the punt return the Weally Pip game, I'll tear up, so.

Speaker 5 (01:46:09):
You baby cry, So there you go.

Speaker 10 (01:46:16):
You know, no, this message is Frank.

Speaker 11 (01:46:20):
Back in twenty and twelve, when Julian did the speaker
series at the Patriots Hall of Fame, that was the
very first time I heard when you're green, you grow.

Speaker 9 (01:46:35):
And when you ripe, you're hot. And so I just
want to thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Quote by whose quote was that you're very welcome. That
quote was given to me by one of our assistant coaches,
Carl Austin. Carl, shout out to you, buddy, I appreciate
Actually he was the head coach and then I took
the team after Carl did coach carlost coach Carl Austin
a great guy.

Speaker 5 (01:47:00):
He was like a general manager at a bunch of McDonald's. Yeah,
I'd roll up there and like.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
You know, is Carl there?

Speaker 5 (01:47:06):
You always giving me some burger Bucks?

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
Shout out to crazy Carl.

Speaker 7 (01:47:10):
Yeah, it's Shane from New York, originally from New Hampshire,
big Patriots fan.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
Just wanted to call and ask.

Speaker 7 (01:47:19):
Frank what the hardest part and the easiest part was
of raising an elite athlete, obviously specifically doing thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
The hardest part, the hardest part, you know there, it
was just trying to keep his mind focused. But he
with that said, he always had his mind focused. Julian
knew what he wanted to be, So they're really just
keeping him on the straight and narrow was really the

(01:47:47):
hardest thing. Keeping his grades up. She's I had three
point five. Yeah, I mean that, it really was. That's
the hardest thing.

Speaker 5 (01:47:56):
No, Yeah, like watching your son get hit, or like
watching me go through a c L surgery or watching
me having a concussion. It's trying to keep me on
the straight and arrow.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Well, it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
In your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
I took it more as getting there, not being.

Speaker 5 (01:48:14):
There, Well, just in general, what's the question?

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Well, all those things were horrible. That was the the
you know, any injuries. I didn't want to bring that up. Okay,
I don't want to discourage things. Injuries are the worst.

Speaker 10 (01:48:27):
They're horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
And what's the best winning? Anytime you win, it's awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:48:35):
Let's up, Frank Andewles. So we heard the story about
Julie and charging the mound before a game. How did
that leave you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Frank?

Speaker 6 (01:48:44):
What were the emotions like? Yeah, how did you deal
with you're seeing being a little hot headed charging the
mound on you?

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
I felt horrible because he were we were we were
we were bantering back and forth and I threw the
ball inside where it was. We were in the Babe
Ruth just before a game. We were going that batting
practice and he had braces on. He says, I hit him.
I didn't hit him. He's he's embellishing. So when he
when I threw the ball on the inside of the

(01:49:16):
plate and he was dropping his shoulder, he was he
was slapping it. He was, you know, being a rascal.
And so we got into some bannering and he finally
charged him out and I grabbed his arms and he
was brocking his head back and forth, and he bid
himself with those braces and blood was all over his Yeah,

(01:49:37):
blood was all over his shirt. So I did not
And when he went to the I just felt horrible.
But I'll be honest, that's what we did. I mean,
the bad news Utleman's that's that's everybody. I wasn't hiding
from it. People would drive by where we would go,
look for fields to practice, and uh, that's just what

(01:49:58):
we did. What they look at it and they'd call me, hey, Frank,
you're throwing that ball. Awful heart of that little guy.
And I'd say, yeah, I know, but that's probably why
I couldn't hit a curveball. I was in too much heat.
But so Frank.

Speaker 8 (01:50:15):
So during this quote unquote banter that led to a
charging of the mountain incident, how much money do would
you have to have donated to Saint Jude's.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
Well, yeah, I was pretty bad. Well, we were all
kind of bad, all the coaches out there at that time.
It was kind of like kind of like, okay, but
I would try to do it. You really try to
do it in a huddle when the guys because the
kids liked it, but you couldn't do it really as
being angry. You had to do it more of a

(01:50:44):
joke angry, you know what I mean, Like you little rascals,
but you wouldn't use that word and say little fuckers
ding ding ding ding dnder twelve. Times have changed. Times
have changed. But I'll be honest with you. I promise
you anybody out there that is competing at the higher

(01:51:04):
levels at youth sports, I promise you they're saying the
same thing. Don't be that naive.

Speaker 9 (01:51:10):
Hi.

Speaker 11 (01:51:11):
I was so happy to see on the Games with
Named storyline that Frank is going to be making a debut.

Speaker 12 (01:51:22):
All this time.

Speaker 9 (01:51:23):
Ever since you guys started this, I always wanted to
ask him if he were to pick his favorite game
out of Julian's career, the best game, which one.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Would it be?

Speaker 5 (01:51:35):
He's the best thanks by favorite game?

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Yeah, I gotta go the Seattle super Bowl. Yeah, that
was the first one in and that was kind of
like Jules's breakthrough game for me. There was a couple
of games before that, but that was a touchdown pass
catch in the Super Bowl was big, and you know,

(01:52:01):
we we all knew what we signed up for and
we knew what Jules had to do and Jewels knew
what he had to do. And that catch with Cam
Chancellor over the middle of the third and fourteen, that
was that's my favorite catch and that's my favorite game.
Well you go, you know you were that that's the fence.

Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
Well that was that was fun. What a game, what
an experience. Thanks again to my dad, Francis Joseph Edelman.
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1998 Pop Warner National Championship with Frank Edelman | Redwood City vs. Naperville

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