2018 Survivor Series with Charlotte Flair | Ronda Rousey vs. Charlotte Flair

Charlotte Flair is in studio! The Queen is with us to relive an all-time match against The Baddest Woman on the Planet. That's right, we're diving into the infamous 2018 Smackdown vs. RAW Survivor Series match between Charlotte Flair and Ronda Rousey. Charlotte joins us on the couch (02:29). We go back to November 2018 (27:26). We break down both superstars (32:58). We get into the match (43:40). We score it (01:08:28). We hit the hotline in this week's Chill Zone presented by Coors Light (01:13:47). 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I took Macho Man to show and tell in kindergarten.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
You told man to show and tell.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Well, they were in town. My dad playing this, So
they were in town. I don't know if it was
for a show or promotion. And my dad brought him
by Providence Day where I went to elementary school. He
was just like walking down in Azuba's you know, my
dad and him, Like.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
What were the kids saying?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I see? I don't know if they even knew who
he was because we were so young.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Did he show? Was he the thing that he were showing?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
He's the show?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
He is the Show's the show, but I know it
wasn't actually showing till day.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
He was just like I have shown tell today, Like
here we go.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Welcome to Games of Names.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm Julian Edelman, They're Jack and Kyler, and we're on
a mission to find the greatest game of all time.
And on today's episode, we are covering Flair versus Rowsey
in twenty eighteen Survivor series Raw Versus SmackDown with fourteen
time Woman's World Champion Wrestling Royalty the Queen Charlotte Flair,

(01:12):
and we're talking what it's like to have Rick Flair
as your dad.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I never really realized what my dad meant to the
industry until I watched him retire.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
These people really like my dad. This is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Then we get into Rondo Rousey and her jump to
the WWE.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I mean, sure, I know how to do a submission,
but do I know how to break your arm?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
But she does.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, that's what made her special. She was untouchable at
that point.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
And what goes into wrestling feuds. You go in apologizing,
you do business as business is being done. And then
we hit the hotline with this week's chill Zone, brought
to you by cors Light. You gotta stick around to
the very end. Let's go. Games and Names Production by Radio,
November eighteenth, twenty eighteen, Staples Center, Los Angeles, California.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
The Baddest woman on the planet versus the Queen, and.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
It's about to get bloody.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
This is anything you can do, I can do better?

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Match.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Welcome to Games with Names Today, we have a very
special guest. We are looking at the Charlotte Flair versus
Ronda Rousey Raw versus SmackDown Survivor Series twenty eighteen match
with Ashley Flair because she plays Charlotte Flair in one sentence.

(02:53):
In one sentence, why this match?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I'm going to main event WrestleMania because of that match.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yes, is this the greatest match of all time?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Not the greatest match of all time, but one of
the most impactful matches of all time?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Two very thought out and well answered questions and staying
within the guidelines of the questions, which most of our
guests don't do. Best we've gotten in a long time. Okay, there, Now,
if it's not the greatest but most impactful, what is
the greatest match of all time, like.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Of my catalog of matches, or the greatest match of
all the.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Greatest match of whatever you think could be match, It
could be sport. What is the the.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Greatest wrestling match of all time? Wrestling is so objective objective?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Okay, so the greatest match of all time for me.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Because I never really realized what my dad meant to
the industry until I watched him retire against Sean Michaels'
been to matches. But when I was sitting in Orlando
and everyone holding up the WU signs and grown men
crying and the like I'm sorry from Sean Michaels, Like

(04:11):
It just had everything that a pro wrestling match needs
and should have for storytelling.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, we need to get that match on. We have
show eventually. Incredible.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
I was like, these people really like my dad. This
is crazy. I mean I wasn't really a wrestling fan,
so so you were I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Okay, and we'll dive into that. But what are you
doing these days?

Speaker 1 (04:37):
What am I doing these days?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
What are you doing these days? What takes up your
time wrestling? Wrestling? You're coming back from injury? I love it.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
How was the feeling?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
It's good, it's more mental.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
I came back, won the Royal Rumble, have had a
couple of matches, had a big loss at WrestleMania against
Tiffany Stratton. But yeah, I was just getting my confidence
back and you to train. Yeah, my brace is bedazzled.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
I love it. You gotta have swag, you gotta be
dazzle the brace. Now you talk about you need more
reps and trying to get your game under your boat
because your injury. What's the rehab process been like for you?
Explain to the listener how psychologically demanding it is to

(05:24):
come back from injury.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Oh man, Well, especially when you're an athlete.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
And for me, I think what helped me stand out
in this world of wrestling was my athleticism in my background.
So having that being taken away and not knowing if
I could come back and be the Charlotte Flair with
you know, the high flying, quick feet, just naturally athletic.
I was like, oh my gosh, Like the best part

(05:53):
of me is, you know, injured or taken away. So
mentally overcoming that and then once you come that and
realizing like, oh, this process isn't just Okay, I'm out
for nine months and I come back, It's like no,
I mean strengthening the muscle, the stability. I still get
a shock wave twice a week to deal with, like

(06:15):
the pain and the quad.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
It's just constant.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
But I like the challenge of it, to be honest,
because before this, like ten years of my career, I
never stretched, was never injured. It was like all right,
time to have a match, Like, didn't think about it,
didn't worry about it. And now I'm like, does this
limb feel like my right leg? Like not necessarily, And.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
People don't realize that.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
When you're a professional athlete and you get hurt, it's
not about healing the injury one hundred percent. Okay, that's
not what you're trying to get when you're an athlete. Okay,
you're trying to get to where you were at before
the injury. Yes, which being healed and where you're at

(07:01):
after the injury is different. So that's the constant battle
the professional athlete has in their mind while they're rehabbing.
Something is, yes, the injury is healed, but can the
lit the limb or the anything whatever you hurt get
to where it was before you're injured. And that's the
self conscious consciousness that you have when your rehab and

(07:24):
it's just I always for me, it was always like
I had to get in competition mode with myself and
it gets into like you were saying, you were an
athlete as a you know, you're athletically gifted, so it
comes into that and it's always fun. Here in people's
process of how they handled some of the most traumatic
times of their life as an athlete is injury. So

(07:45):
how they handle.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
That is you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah it was for me.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Now how's it being back in the ring.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
It feels good.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
So when I'm actually in the ring, I don't think
about it like once the bell rings, I'm not like,
oh this hurts or I have that pain because I
really don't. But it's like sitting here with you talking
about it, and I'm like, man, can I get hurt again?

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Is this gonna hurt?

Speaker 3 (08:06):
It? Like I just never had those thoughts before, Like
I just I don't know. I was like indestructible, and
now I'm like I kind of like second guess things
where like I hate that. Like before I would just
go out there and do my thing, and now I'm like,
is this the safest thing to do?

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Like like should I go.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Through this table? Actually I told the.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Fans to stop saying that the other day.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
You know, it's terrible.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Chance.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
I just that's the hard part.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
And then like a doctor telling you, well, your knee
is never going to be the same. Well if I
do this, your knee is never going to be the same.
Well if I do You're like, huh, Like that doesn't
like compute with me. How no matter how hard I train,
it's not going to be the same. Yeah, Like it
looks the same. The muscles great, the shape, say.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
The thing that you got to take that I always
took from when I got hurt was the information you
were getting from the physical therapist. The doctor's just the technician,
he's just doing the work. The physical therapist is teaching
you how body placements should be when your body's vulnerable,
when you're cutting on it, or you know, what kind

(09:22):
of movement will give it stress, so that there's certain
movements we can train, certain muscles we can train to
protect our movement going, Like that's the stuff that I
always took, Like after I tore my knee, Like I
was like superhuman because I was rehabbing both knees and
you become educated on what you should and shouldn't do,
and then like you know the proper technique on certain

(09:44):
things where you're going to keep yourself safe. So like
that's so hopefully the things that you learn out of that.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Well, like inkle mobility right now is the biggest focus
for me, And I'm like, oh my, I've never worked
my ankles in thirty nine years of my life. Yeah,
now like really ca about my ankle. But it all
makes a difference.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
The biomechanics are all connected. Yeah, So you get back
in the ring, you're probably like eighteen months out now,
but you've had some serious combats, some serious matches. You
went to WrestleMania forty one in Vegas?

Speaker 4 (10:17):
How was that?

Speaker 1 (10:18):
It was good?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Was that you see Gronk there?

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I don't think I saw him that day.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Do you know who Gronk is?

Speaker 3 (10:23):
I do, well, I'm we have a mutual friend, okay,
Dean Mutati.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh, yeah, I've seen him out there. He's he lives
in Orlando. I think, yeah, he does. We have summer
Summer Slam at MetLife this summer.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Are we excited for that?

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yes, to be back in my life.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And the best fans in the
world are from the Northeast, So you think so. I
think so.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
They're the smartest. I like that, except for Chicago fans.
Oh why the worst wrestling city in the world. Worst,
worst and the second really.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
What's not too what's wrong with Chicago?

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (11:01):
They know what's wrong with them?

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Or Chicago? What's the best city? Oh?

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Oh, there's so many Philly in New York, Pittsburgh, anywhere overseas, Boston,
Boston's good.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Becky Lynch said, Hidalgo, Texas deep cut.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Any small town in Texas. Yeah, man, they're easily entertained.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
She said, like Chile.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
Too, I think or something. Yep, they're dropping some crazy pools.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Now, John Cena's back. Yep, that's always big for the
w W E John.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Now, yeah, the John Cena, no big deal.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
That's what my daughter used to call him from the
Scooby Doo movie. She goes down, I have ever met
the John Cena?

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Have you ever met the Johnson?

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Well?

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, I go what do you you mean, John Cena?
She goes, yeah, the John Cena. She calls him with
the John Cena? But uh, could you take us through
like it was? He he's a heel now or is he?
He's not a baby face? No more?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Right, he's a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
He's a bad guy. Now, how is that going through?
What your your persona is gonna be?

Speaker 7 (12:06):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (12:08):
John's been a good guy his whole career, career?

Speaker 2 (12:10):
How easy to switch on it? Good? Bad? Really bad?
Right now?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I'm like really bad?

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, really Dislike? How do you get yourself into a
mindset of being heal? Oh?

Speaker 1 (12:25):
How to just breathing?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
I don't know, just breathing? How do I say this
be full of piss and vinegar?

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Well?

Speaker 1 (12:34):
I just have to be yes.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
So my mom used to say, I was so you're
full of piss and vinegar.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Boy.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Well, it's like when I try to be nice or
I try to be endearing, they like dislike it more
so then they like Boo Louder.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I'm like, well, you know what, I'm not going to
tell you I had a bad day.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
I'm gonna make you hate me and just say I'm
the greatest that I didn't have to work for this. Well,
I mean, being a legacy wrestler and your dad's rick
flair doesn't make it easy on you. And I've won
a lot of matches, titles, had a lot of opportunities.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
So when they bring in you, when you're at the high,
everyone's trying to bring it down.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, no matter what.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Now, what's what's more fun? Being the heeler, being the babyface?

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Being the bad guy? I agree, it's more fun.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know, Like when you said the best fans are
in the Northeast, I loved being the fucking villain running
through that MetLife stadium in front of all those goddamn
Jets fans, knowing that they knew they were losing that
that game. Yeah that's what I fucking love.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
But see, that's the mindset you have to always have,
like being that bad guy.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, like knowing you're like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
I'm the greatest. I know, my dad and I are
going to need our own wing.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
Gotta have your own wing of the hall, our own
wing in the hall of FAMETI.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Now, what's the key to good wrestling? Trash talk? What
are we doing? Like are we doing research before?

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Like I could back it up in the ring. That
was like that's where I feel like the most confident. Yeah,
Like beating Ronda to death in her own hometown was
like pretty devilish.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Honestly, it doesn't get much more devilish than that.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
That's some devil.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah. It really just depends on the opponent. Like everyone,
every good guy is different or what they bring to
the table that makes the fans like them.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
So you try to attack that. Yeah, that's how I
look at it. Are you practicing these things? Are you
thinking about these things pre like match? Because like I
would go in, for example, we used to have Bill
would always test us on like Wednesdays about our opponent,
like we have a whole week to study our opponents,

(14:47):
and so he'd always asked me about the punter. Because
early in my career I had to return the punts.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
You know, I don't know what's what's this? What's up
with this punter? I go, well, coach is hanging times
four two. He likes to go to his rite. He's
directional punter. Uh you know, I heard he had a
really hot girlfriend in college that you know, another punter
took so he's vulnerable of getting a little sidetracked in
the game. Coach, he had a four point Like, that's

(15:12):
the kind of shit I would I would research everything
about that punter just so I could like make a
funny joke in the team meeting.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
But it's the same in wrestling, it's the same. I
guess the lines are blurred.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, that's the same.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Now, how what do you think about the state of
women in wrestling right now? I think it's like at
a whole other level than it's highre as a has
it ever been. What do you think I would agree
with that?

Speaker 4 (15:41):
You agree?

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
And and this match is a huge part of it
that we were about to go over.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
And it was the main event of only one night.
Now we have two nights.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Is the main event of only one night night? Yeah,
now we have two nights.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
So that's a big deal.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Now you have two nights, two different opportunities, so that
being the main event of one night was huge. Yeah,
like it'll never happen again unless we go to one night.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
But Netflix, i'ing gonna let us go in one night.
You know, you gotta get them streams in. I get streams.
We got three hundred million people watching this in one
hundred and twenty plus countries. I swear to god if
hit Buffalos? How crazy is that? The Wrestlings on Netflix now?

Speaker 3 (16:23):
No, it's definitely different, like from Fox USA now Netflix.
It just goes to show how global we are. I
think that's like the biggest takeaway.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
It's very global, and I think I think it's even
going to become even more global.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
And that we have that much content.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's another a lot of content.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Like you wouldn't think thirty years ago that you'd have
all these different shows, But because we're letting people behind
the curtain more, it's like, oh, yeah, like we do
have a lot of content. We're not just out there
in spandex. Yeah, play fighting, No.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, it takes a lot to go behind a lot
all these storyline for years.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
I think people really don't realize how hard it is
to master this craft and be good at it and
what like what that means to be good at it.
We get a lot of athletes that are like, oh,
we can do this really bye after six months?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
How do you have to be good at it?

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Explain that wrestling is part of it, but really, like
the great the greats, you weren't like, oh, man, that
move was awesome. It's how they made you feel, like
stone Cold, my Dad, Undertaker, Triple H, Kurt Angle, It's
like the response that they elicited from the audience and
how they made you feel.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
You weren't like, wow, Rick Flair did a great Moon Salt.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
The delivery of the moon Salt though, how he did it,
how he set it up, it shit for.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, it's how he made you feel about the character
or like stone Cold, like saying f you to his boss.

Speaker 8 (17:52):
Every man wants to do thattackage.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
So it's like so much stuff that goes into it,
and being a technically good wrestler or a high flyer.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Adds to that character.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
But being a just just a good wrestler doesn't mean
it's going to take you to the dance or stand
out or be remembered as one of the greats.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
You have to kind of check every box.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
You have the swag. Yeah, as the young kid, you
had that raise or.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Like lack of swag.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
People have turned that into like being huge under babyface underdogs,
baby face underdogs.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, like Becky, Yeah, huge underdog.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
That's her story.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, it's her whole.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Now you said athlete s cancers come in, Well, how
long does it technically take for an athlete or a
person who's training to become a fighter to get to
be actually really technical in the ring.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
It just depends on how much effort they put into it. Yeah,
Like I think Rhonda picked it up so quickly because
she'd actually been in a fight, so she understood the
mechanics the body movement, like, okay, it really does feel
like this when you get punched in the face or
your knee kicked out or a submission. And plus she
had the acting background, so it was just a perfect

(19:12):
storm for her.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah. So so how long do you think it takes me?

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I think you did that your first night with all
that ship talking, you'd be great.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
You know what, I uh? I did go do the
Lucha lee brace over Mexico and I learned the one
what's the move I did where I run and you
have a mask on? Yeah, full back right there. I
did a head scissor. There you go. We did, there's
my mask right there.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
I was called the.

Speaker 8 (19:40):
Awesome ladder d the squirrel, the squirrel, the squirrel.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
But no, it was fun. I we we we went.
It was a fun we do. We got some really
good moves in. Yeah, it's one day of training. Just
the man gave his body up. I was like, still
worrying about having your knees. Yeah, and ironic, ironically I
tore my knee right after a couple.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Of months later.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Not not in not doing this now, Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
I was doing a preseason game in Detroit, freaking that
terrible fucking field. Can we can we get lawsuits here?
It's an anti turf podcast, anti turf gras podcast. So
you you mentioned earlier you're you were never really a
fan of wrestling growing up, So what were you a

(20:33):
fan of? What was a young Ashley a fan of
when her dad's Rick Flair? What are you a fan
of when you were.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
A fan of going to the shows being like, oh man,
that's my dad, Like hearing his music would give me butterflies,
where I was like, oh, my gosh, sting. Yeah, I
took Macho Amanda Show and Tell.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
In kindergarten, told man to show and tell.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
They were in town and my dad playing this. So
they were in town. I don't know if it was
for a show or promotion. And my dad brought him
by Providence Day where I went to elementary school.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
He was just like walking down.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
In Azuba's you know those my dad and him like yeah,
but I was so young, Like I just remember like glimpses,
like the side he walked down in the cafeteria.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
What were the kids saying, I see.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
I don't know if they even knew who he was
because we were so young.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
A cool kid.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
We don't know macho man at that age we like
six years old. Slim gyms for everybody got he just
was he giving out slim gyms? No, just there, he's
just there?

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Did show or was he the thing that he's the show?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
He is the show.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
But I did bring my dad's big gold belt one
time for show in town and that was cool.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
But like even.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Growing up, I didn't really realize is what these things
were or like or what he meant to the industry,
my dad, because I just was around it so much.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Like it becomes normal. Yeah, you don't realize.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Marian Anderson was my uncle, not but it just legend.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
It's kind of like my daughter she gets you know,
she grew up going to our training camps, were wing
in Super Bowls. You know, Tom's holding her, Tom Brady
the greatest football player. She has no clue and she
all she talks about is Taylor Swift and the goddamn Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
That's great, you know, that's great.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
There's gonna be a time.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Maybe one day though, she's gonna she gonna realize it
like Ash did here.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
I still can't get over Macho mane coming to show
until that is so cool?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Actually show until day.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
He was just like I have shown tell today, Like
here you go, like, here's macho man.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Who are some of your So you loved Sting as
a kid when you were going to die.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
She was just the hair, the face paint.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Like I don't know if he'd be like my I
mean he's great, yea, he'd be like my top ten,
but like.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
As a young girl, it was like, oh Sting he
was cutie.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, Now who is was he the one that like?
Who is the other wrestlers that like you were like,
oh my god.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I didn't not like wrestling. I just didn't know anything
about it. Like I didn't tune in every week like
middle school was like, oh my god, Buffy the Vampire
Slayer is gonna be on, not like oh man, I
can't wait for Monday night nightro.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
It was.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
I mean, I was I was a little boy at
that time, so I loved the raw.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I mean I tuned in, but I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I just like wasn't a diehard fan because it was
hard to relate to the women at the time, like
they're in bikinis and he whipped cream on.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Like it wasn't there yet, but I want to aspire,
Yeah for you, they were for us.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeahah the eye candy.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
So I mean, I like, I looked up to Stacy
and Trish and lead up, but it wasn't or Molly Holly.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
But I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
I couldn't see myself doing that feeling like a diva.
Even when I started wrestling, I was like what am
I doing?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Like why did I do this?

Speaker 3 (24:17):
But really it was for my little brother to help
him get on the right path. Because now my brothers
they wanted to be just like my dad. My little
brother and I were almost two years apart, and he
had a really bad drug addiction. So I thought if
I started doing this, he could get on the right
path and he altiate. Like he ended up dying almost
a year after I started, and then I just took

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his dream and turned it into mine. But he was
the one that like didn't miss a show, a pay
per view. I mean, he followed my dad around everywhere
like he would have been the man. So my dad
never thought like I was going to carry the name
I did.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Okay, Okay, you know what they say said I said,
George Washington didn't want to be the president.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I mean I don't know my life about.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
It now, but I don't know how that sounded really good. Well,
he was the general. He was the general and and
he didn't want to be president. But it just landed
on him because of I understand what I was saying
about you.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
I was gonna say, that's an incredible origin story, and
you're you're doing okay, and then something like that's so cool,
it's that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
So when you reach these heights to have that like
with you too, you know, because talking about with these matches.
They are kind of somewhat like predetermined, right, but there's
still this moment where your character and you as a
athlete restler get to a place where like, look, you
are a champion or are you are headlining this thing?
And there are like moments where you can take that
in and appreciate it. So it's it's always nice to
have like and we always ask people who are they

(25:49):
thinking about when they reached my brother?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
So I don't I'm going to try to articulate this
the right way. My little brother was wrestling and he
actually had failed two drug tests to get into WWE,
so I mean he was really struggling. But I also
think he couldn't deal with the pressures of being my
dad's son. And I think when he was either wrestling

(26:12):
in Japan or on the indies, I don't think he
knew how to internalize what the fans would say about him,
like you're compared to Rick Flair and you're his son, Like,
I don't know if he could handle that.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
So when you ask how do I or.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
How do I create this persona or how do I
be the best bad guy? I really do sometimes think
about all that pressure on my brother, and I'm like, like, okay,
come on, take on that pressure for him because he couldn't.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
How do you deal with that pressure of being I.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Just continue to get better.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
I feel like I'm protecting him in a way still
even though he's not here, But like, I hate that
I couldn't protect him from feeling those insecurities, so I
kind of like take them on into building this. Like
I wish I could be more like my character in
my real life. No, Like I think Charlotte's just so
I don't know, like such a bad the character is

(27:11):
such a badass, not badass, but like just a bad bitch.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
No, like, yeah, I don't know how to I get it.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
That's I mean, that's some big Sister of the yearshit
right there. Honestly, that's awesome. We'll be right back after
this quick break. Let's go back into time where this
match took place. This is a segment where we go
over all pop culture. We see what's going around in life.
This game slash match took place in November eighteenth, twenty eighteen,

(27:45):
number one movie The Grinch, number one song Thank You Next,
Ariana Grande been hearing a lot of that with an
eight year old girl as of late the movies we
had in the cinema or Creed two, Bohemian Raw City,
A Star Is Born, Really Good Love, Bradley Cooper, David Hockney.
Hockney's portrait of an artist pool with two figures. What

(28:09):
is that?

Speaker 6 (28:09):
Classic painting? Just a little art talk on this episode.
Little art talk, Eh, we like art on here man
trying to be more refined more over here.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Well, let's get back to it. The Super Bowl champions
were the pats Hey sold for ninety Mili bro Patrick Mahomes,
Crimson Tide won the NC two A championship with old
ball coach Nick Sable. N Kyler Murray was a heisman.
John Gruden returns back to The Raiders after being in

(28:38):
the broadcast boo for a decade The Raiders. What was
Charlotte Flair like in twenty eighteen? Ash Lee? Oh yeahsh
I feel like I like that. I'm going.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
So what made Survivor series so but not I mean
important but impactful?

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Was my opponent at the time.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Becky Lynch was like super red hot and Ronda was
the baddest woman on the planet.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Like that's what we had labeled.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Her as and a week before Survivor Series, Becky had
her face bashed in and was supposed to be wrestling
Ronda at Survivor Series, and my boss was like, well
Ronda can't wrestle. We need the next best thing, meaning
like we had a promoted match. Becky can't wrestle her, Well,

(29:31):
who are we gonna have wrestle her? Like it has
to be just as good, if not better.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
So I was like, I have to wrestle Ronda.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
But the reason, like you see me being like I
have to wrestle Ronda is because for almost a year,
the rumor on the street was Charlotte Flair versus Ronda
Rousey for WrestleMania. So if I was going in to
wrestle her at Survivor Series on a one on one,

(30:00):
we're not getting the WrestleMania match.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
So I was like, oh my god. One, this match
isn't promoted. Two they wanted to see Becky versus Ronda. Three,
Well what's my future? And I got to LA a
week early and just thought to myself, like, whatever goes
down that night, people have to want to see Charlotte

(30:25):
Flair versus Ronda again, or what's gonna make it that memorable. Plus,
like at that time, Becky was hot, but Ronda was untouchable.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
She was like untouchable.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
That's why this I think this is such a when
we get into the match, this is such a huge
match because she was the biggest UFC, the biggest thing
for UFC, and then she finally like she blew up
UFC in the women's department and then she got knocked
out or whatever, and then she came to We.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Would have not Maine evented WrestleMania had it not been
for Ronda, hands down, like when she wanted to kind
of join what we had already started to build. But
her star power, her credibility, her outside influence, the audience
that she brought, Like kudos to her.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I know that.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
You know, someone said in her book that you know,
she couldn't wrestle, but at the end of the day,
it really didn't matter.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
She was Rohnda and she didn't need to.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
She had such like an aura tour and really did
figure it out and you know, brought that much.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
To the table.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
So like I thank her for what she did for us,
because like she didn't have to come wrestle, like she'd
already done at all.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, and it was real.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
So she just added that legitimacy to what we were
trying to do that we didn't have. And she caught
on Like this Survivor Series match, I don't think because
it wasn't, you know, part of that overall big picture
at the end of Mania and the two belts being won.
But like, like, dude, I just thought she picked it
up so fast without having like any wrestling background or school,

(32:06):
Like she just knew how to react.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
And if you watch it, she had like so much
star power.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, and when you watch the match, it looked different.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Well yeah, because we were beating the ship out of
each other, not even that, but and she.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
She was using, she was using all the UFC armbar.

Speaker 8 (32:23):
Shiting it over and incorporating it like that never really
been seen to me at least.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Well it's been seen, but not believable. Not believable, not believable,
And that is what's most important in our business. You
can do all these moves, you can do all I mean,
sure I know how to do a submission, but do
I know how to break your arm?

Speaker 9 (32:39):
No?

Speaker 1 (32:39):
But she does.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, that's what made her special, and that's what made
that match so impactful.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Is because you were like, well.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Is is Ronda going to break her arm?

Speaker 1 (32:51):
I don't like, Yeah, that just made all the difference.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
What's her biggest strength?

Speaker 1 (32:56):
What is hers that she's been in a fight before before?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Said that Jack break down Rondo a little for us. Yeah, Ronda.
So we talked about it coming in from the UFC,
dubbed the Baddest woman on the planet, ak rowdy Ronda
kind of had that rowdy, roddy piper persona. Then we
had flares. This was like a legacy start fight to say,
I like what it harkens back to. She debuted in

(33:20):
January at the Royal Rumbo with Alexis Bliss, Charlotte Oshka
Oscar I always misronounced that signed the WWE contract in February,
won the Women's Row Championship, and like Charlotte sayin just
shot up the ranks and just.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
She was untouchable.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
I'm saying it was only having like three minute matches
besides the tag match that she debuted on Mania alongside
Kurt Angle versus Steph McMahon and Triple H.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Is there ever kind of a moment you as someone
who's been doing this for a career that when someone
kind of comes in and just skyrockets is a little
bit of like like not resent, a little bit of
just like I wish I could have that orsin just
good for the whole picture.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Being naturally competitive yet because I'm like, I want it
all I want, Yeah, but in order to grow, you
have to have someone here. So for me, when I
was across the ring, across the ring from Ronda, or
when I look back and look at Survivor Series big picture, Ronda,

(34:19):
I felt like was the only one at that time
that could really do this with my character or do
this like with me as a as a superstar because
she I didn't think she was as good of a
wrestler as me, but it is so much more than that,
and she had that or that star power. So I
felt like as much as well, yeah, like you need better,

(34:43):
you need competition to grow or to get better, And
I thought she did that for me that night, as
much as I helped her through the match and talk
to her and knew her strengths and weaknesses and watched
all of her matches prior to that, going Okay, I
know she does this well, I know she does this well.
She doesn't do this well, but she knows her submission,
so if we get lost, she can do this. Like

(35:04):
I really thought out every part of that match to
make us both look amazing. But she was also doing
this for me that night too, which is why I mean.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
I iron Yeah, now take us through that. Do you
scout your opponents?

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Are?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
You did her because she didn't have that she is new.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
I did her so like this is and and and
it was such a big match.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
It was a big match, and.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I wanted to make it look good.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Well no, but I was like, I have to be
in the main event of WrestleMania. Like if this match
doesn't go well and it's a dud and no one
gives it, like no one cares, this was what I
was meant to do.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
I kept saying, I'm an Maine at Mania, I'm a
main of at Mania.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
And then like what because someone gets hurt, I have
to breathe a replacement, Like, no, no one's taken my spot.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, And that's what I kept thinking.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
How much is the pressure to kind of push your
storyline on you or coming more like top.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well, the aftermath of.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
What happened with the kindostick and beating her up and
beating up the referees. It was so chaotic, so unhinged,
so believable. But how could they not continue that? Like
I don't think anyone had seen two women up until
that point. I mean she took a beating.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Yeah that was coming from you? Or is that like
I get to be.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Like, hey, I would like to beat up the whole
referee staff, even though I think the fans think I
have no power, but I I mean, I'll take it.
But no, they needed to put steam behind it. But
like that was on me to create the moments and
the visuals and what I would what I saw Charlotte
feeling like like during that moment, like Ronna Rousey's going

(36:49):
to beat me. No, I think I'm the baddest woman
on the planet. Like even in the beginning, there was
such an intensity that I had to build myself up
to to make because in my mind, I'm thinking, Charlotte
believes that she's more superior than Ronda Rousey, even though
Ronda Rowsey comes from this. It was she has an
Olympic medal right in judo, So like I'm thinking, oh,

(37:12):
I can be an Olympic two o person too, or Olympian.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
So you had this opportunity and then but you brought
the execution you brought I brought.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I had the opportunity, but I brought the execution, the intensity,
the momentum.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I know how to feel the crowd.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
I mean, they were chanting, we want Becky to thank
you Charlotte by the end of it.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Wow, talk about a turn in the crowd, man.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
But that's credit to Rondo too.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
You're not saying like it's both of us, both characters.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
It takes two to tango.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Takes two to tango.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Now let's jump into Charlotte Flair. Oh yeah, let's go baby.

Speaker 10 (37:53):
Build from the Queens Snatch right here, they were a chance,
like they did not want this match, and by the
end of it, they were chanting, this is awesome.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Hell yeah, and I flipped.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Sorry I saw that, and I was like, oh yeah,
I had to flip off the fans that night.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
They weren't paying this is awesome.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, they were just chanting the wrong thing.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
So I flipped them off, and then they were chanting
this is awesome, and I was like, you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
I show you don't want to roller coaster, you got it?

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah, that was actually the first match back after COVID
that we had fans.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
It was in Texas too.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
But Charlotte was I mean, this was twenty eighteen was
a killer year for you. Of course, build from the
Queen City. We got a show seven h four, A
little love around here. Queen Charlotte aka the Queen of
w W. You know the signature moves, the figure eight,
the natural selection, the Queen's boot beat. Notably in twenty eighteen,
back in April beat Ashka at that was Wrestlmingia thirty

(38:57):
four down in New Orleans. She had that crazy underf
hed streak, like nine hundred and fourteen days or whatever.
That was huge. The rivalry with Becky was going on
around this time was heating up. You had the Last
Woman's Standing match where she beat Charlotte. Then there was
the DQ at the Super Showdown, and then I mean

(39:18):
the accolades.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I could give flowers for hours.

Speaker 6 (39:21):
Here, give me a job at FTD took the women's
division of New Heights, went undefeated on sixteen pay per
view matches, one of the first women a headline a
pay per view main event, more titles than any other
women's superstar, first female superstar.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
To headline a raw SmackDown and pay per view event.
I believe my notes are correct here, and of course
a little foreshadowing first women the main event WrestleMania thirty five,
Ronda Becky.

Speaker 6 (39:47):
We did that match with Becky Lynch show. We'll talk
about that a little bit later, but just a little
bit of the flowers. Just got to give the flowers here. Now,
was this your first time using the name Flair?

Speaker 1 (39:57):
So funny? He said the Oscar match.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I wasn't allowed to use the name Flair or use
my last name, uh until after the match with Oscar
WrestleMania thirty four. I showed up at TV the next
night and my boss at the time was like, you
can use the last name Flair now.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I was like, did you have to earn it? I
guess that the fair crazy. That's what.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I wasn't allowed to chop. I wasn't allowed to woo.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
I wasn't like, I'm like, you name me Charlotte. Like
I think they thought it was a joke, Like because
my dad was billed from Charlotte, North Carolina. I said,
this kid, we'll just name her Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
It turned out though.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Awesome, but I can't believe that you didn't get to
be able to use your own last name.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Well, I think it's the pressure, like, yeah, just being
overshadowed by the last name.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
So when you when they finally said that to you,
you said, all right, now it's my fucking time.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Is that when you're like, this is my fucking time now.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
I might have said that since thirty two.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
That's what you thought, That's what I thought, that's what
you thought. But when they did that, that validated I.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Was like, oh, yeah, bring on the hate.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Bring But I had already, like I had so many
incredible moments up and up until that, except the Oscar
match was just really good, super impactful. She had that
undefeated streak. It was the first female singles match on
a pay per view since Trish Stratus and Mickey James,

(41:39):
and that had been about ten or eleven years.

Speaker 9 (41:41):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
So it just like it all worked out.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
You're at the prime right here. You're getting to like
the top of the pinnacle, especially being a pioneer for
women in this specific sport, and it goes to you know, foreshadow,
go to you guys doing the three way match in WrestleMania.
But like this is kind of you know, the start,
because you needed, like you said, you needed the star

(42:07):
power of Rhonda. You needed you because you know how
to do your shit and you're you. And then you
needed Becky because she's also got her she's got her
different dynamic. But this is crazy. Now, can you describe
your wrestling style us? We were trying to go over
it earlier. I was like, what do you How do.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
You describe it?

Speaker 2 (42:25):
The same athletic of course?

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, I think it's my.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
How to.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
I think adaptability is that the right adaptability to any size,
Like I can work big or small. I like, if
someone's smaller, I can work down to their size, or
if someone's bigger, Like I'm actually pretty tall compared to most.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Of the girls.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
I only think there's one other girl taller. But I
can just change my style versatility, versatility, yeah, I would,
I think, or just being super aggressive and it.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Showed for sure. Yeah. What what pro athlete from another
sport are you most like?

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Oh that's a tough question because Tom Brady's beloved, isn't he.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Depends as he gets Yeah, not met life either.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
It's like a thing like that. I like that. I
like that.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Thought was Mayweather because he was coming up with my dad.
But no Tom Tom.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
All Day Mayweather too though Tom I like it. Two
pretty good ones. Jackie Jacob take us into the match.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
As we said, we we touched on a little bit
of this earlier, but Ronda was really climbing the ranks,
like pretty much owning the raw division.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Uh she got the belt from Nikki bella earlier.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
They also had a little clash backstage her and Becky,
and then we're setting up that fight.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
But of course, as.

Speaker 6 (44:02):
We know, Becky got the bloody nose, couldn't fight when
the SmackDown Raw, there was the invasions, some dirty hits,
all that stuff. Becky ends up with the broken nose
and gives us that iconic image of her standing there
in the tunnel with.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
The blood all over her face.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
Uh So Charlotte ends up being chosen as the replacement
for this fight for Becky. So that kind of sets
us up on the stage here and we're really building
that that three way rivalry of Becky, Ronda, and Charlotte
is is kind of the the triumvirent trio of the
of the big dogs in in the women's division.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
So at this point, I know you're not you're not
fighting Becky, But what's your relationship with Becky at this time?

Speaker 1 (44:42):
We're cordial.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
We're cordial. No, we're good cordial.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
I still think there's I still think there is some
story left there, so.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
There's a little meeting say that.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
I mean, I think there's a nail on the coffin yet.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
What's the greatest match? The next next one?

Speaker 9 (45:04):
Baby?

Speaker 4 (45:05):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Our Survivor Series match was actually really incredible.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
It's so hard to pick.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
It just wasn't as different as the Ronda and I won,
like impactful. But Becky and I have had a lot
of great matches. But our Survivor Series match was pretty
incredible too, which was like three years ago.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
That was one of the ones you sent over, right,
we were digging into.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Yeah, that one and the Evolution one, but the Survivor
Series one, there was just some I don't know, there's
just when you want to be the best hard.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Like you got to now when you found out you
kind of talked about it a little earlier, when you
found out you were getting this match. Give us your
thought process, beat for beat. You're you're pissed off because
they didn't promote it, but give us. How what were
you thinking when you found before you even fought this match,

(46:02):
When you found out you got this match?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Well, who said the word replacement?

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Is that me? Like?

Speaker 1 (46:09):
No, no, no, but like even that's what I was.
I was the replacement.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
And I was like, I'm sorry, oh, I'm not a no,
but that's I had to replace Becky in this match.
And I was just like, well what happens after that?
Like I had beaten OSCA at WrestleMania, they bring Ronda
in and word on the street was Charlotte Flair versus
Ronda Rousey WrestleMania, not saying that it was going to

(46:33):
be the main event, but I was just like, huh,
this is not how this is supposed to go. And
I was also coming off of losing an Evolution the
DQ in Australia, which pay per view was ut with.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Becky let me double check.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
So I was like, man, I just can't catch a break.
And I just kept thinking to myself like this is
not where this is gonna end. And had that match
not gone as well as it did and have Ronda
laying there in defeat or the two like bulls, it

(47:11):
just was it was like a perfect storm I just
wasn't gonna let it happen. I was like, no one's
taking my spot. I was what's going through my head.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
This match aside, like what's the process like when like
a match is getting developed from Like how much time
do you have? Okay, you versus ex wrestler, Like do
you guys are are you game planning about what you
want to do? Are you talking or you just train?
Like how much time before the actual match happens? In
finding out and how does it go to develop? You
know the storylines and some of the you know, the
craft of it all.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
So I went to LA early to meet with Ronda
because up until that point, everything that she had done
was very hands on and the producers always worked with
her on her matches. So I went there with a
game plan with the match. I didn't know about the aftermath,
meaning like the referees, the beat down, the DQ because

(48:01):
even in my mind, I was like, even if I lose,
I'm still only losing to the baddest one on the planet,
Like it's not the end of my career. But if
people had already seen that match, you can't build that
to WrestleMania unless it just left you like Oh, I've
got to want more. I've got to see more. But
each match is different, each opponent is different. Like Becky

(48:25):
and I, if you put us in a room, we
could put a match together in thirty minutes and it'd
be a WrestleMania worthy match. Yeah, Like we just have
that kind of chemistry, chemistry, report the story, we think alike.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
With how we view matches, and that makes it easier.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
At this point in Rohndo's career, she probably didn't have
that creativity yet. Oh that's good point, you know what
I mean for you, Like, that's why you probably went early,
because you were putting the brain power into it.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I went early because I wanted to put my hands
on her. I wanted to see how she moved and again,
and when you have an opponent that new, you want
to work to their strengths.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
So even the beginning of.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
That match, like I would not naturally like throw a
high kick or look like I'm throwing a punch, like
I don't grapple like that, but I knew like that's
what would translate to her. So like in wrestling, you
lock up, but in her sport, you don't. So I
was like, Okay, how can I make this more her
style but still make it a professional wrestling match, and that.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
That's what it felt like when you watched it. I
was like, this looks like like you don't I didn't.
I kept on saying, you don't see a lot of
this before.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
This, but but if you really break down that match
besides the after match, it's pretty basic.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
It wasn't like maybe because I believe more of Ronda
doing all these arm things.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Yeah, you don't believe her like phony wrestling, And that's
what I wanted to bring to the table.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Okay, like even if even if I lose an r tonight,
it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Be worth it.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I just kept saying like, Okay, this was a really funny,
little funny story.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I was like, whoa, she can't be that fast.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
So when I asked her to throw her jabs at
me and like I don't know what I was.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Thinking, I was like, oh no, I'll be oh absolutely not, oh.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
My god, breathing sucking cover and just take it.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Like I don't know what I was thinking, but she was.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
She didn't really jet like she was holding back, but
in practice, I was like, hey, just.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Give me one of those whatever you do oh No.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
I was like, Oh, this is why she's an Olympian
and I'm a pro wrestler. No, Like I knew what
she could do, but it was just incredible to see
her in action, Dore.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Is it common for to do like, I don't know
if you call rehearsals or sparring matches ahead of time
of a big match, or just because it was Rnda Rousey,
she's a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
I just wanted to see how I would react. I
almost said the word cell I almost.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I wanted to.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
See how I would react to that because you don't.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
See sure many girls.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
With the movement.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Yeah, because it's so different from what you're used to.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Get, so different, like I've never thrown a high kick
in my life. Like I was just like, but I
felt like I really went into that match going like
she might call herself the baddest woman on the planet,
but like I am the baddest woman in professional wrestling,
and no one's telling me otherwise.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
That's right, and I have to bring that to that.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
So you left that match thinking that.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
I left that match thinking that a hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
And I am someone who definitely like holds things in
so if I do have a bad match, I kind
of let it fester, and instead of letting it fester
to the point that it doesn't ruin the next but
I take all of the bad from that one and
make sure that never happens again. Like really a student
of the game. I'm not saying it does every time,

(52:12):
but I learned so much from this and others. Did
you try to change it?

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Did you play like competitive sports growing up?

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Which what do you play?

Speaker 9 (52:21):
Well?

Speaker 3 (52:22):
I started out in gymnastics, and then my parents made
me choose between well. When I got to middle school,
my parents wanted me to like play middle school sports, track, volleyball,
and basketball, but I couldn't keep up the hours of gymnastics,
so I played all three of those.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
But then I fell in love.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
With all start cheer leading nice, but I had to
give that up for volleyball, and then played volleyball at
app State for two years, and they made some terrible
choices and went to in Cee State. That all worked out,
but I wanted to be a big fish and a
little pond.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Played there for two years.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
It was fun, but wrestling to me was like what
I've been the best at? Uh overall, So Rondo once
told me. She was like, you really do look at
wrestling like at your Olympics, And I was like, I know,
because it means that much to me.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
So he now, do you have any like pre match
routines or pre match superstitions that you do all the time?

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Lacing my boots?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
How do you lace them?

Speaker 3 (53:22):
I just take forever because they're like the old school boots. Yeah,
and I'm not willing to part with them. So that's like,
do you takes like twenty five minutes minutes. My assistant
the other day was like, can you just buy some
boots that have zippers? Like this is taking forever? Yeah,
Like he'll help try to. I'm like, no, you can't
help me lace. I have to lace them. No one

(53:43):
can lace my boots.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
And so it's it's a ritual. Yeah, it's a ritual. Yeah,
And what are you thinking about when you're doing it?

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Like, my boots are so important to me that instead
of buying new boots when I came back, I had
all my old boots but dazzle, so they looked a
little different because I'm so superstitious with them.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
I don't know, I mean, we all have something left
foot first or right for it first, left foot, left
foot first.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Just because right is my dominant so I feel like
left needs to be the tightest.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Jackie break down the fight, man, this fight, epic fight.
My words will not do it justice. But from the
rip it was evident this was about to be insanely physical,
insanely chaotic. Back and forth. We open up with a
big elbow.

Speaker 6 (54:29):
We're trading submissions, and then an early moment that really
set this thing off was RNDA into the lower turn
buckle face first, Charlotte throwing her down. It was like,
all right, we're in for a crazy one right now.
Back and forth. Some guys hit the stairs, and the
stairs gets me every time.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
And like you hit the when you get out of
the ring and you hit the wall, like that's what
hurts me. That's gotta hurt you.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
I mean that's usually you're like, man, I hit my pinky,
Like it's just like odd.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
You know how to fall, you know how to fall.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
You know how to like what part of your back
you got to hit and stuff? Yeah, sorry for cutting
you off, jack Bro.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
You'll get the wind knocked out of me sometimes or
like really hit but I don't know. You just have
to like you're also in front of like there thirty thousand. Yeah,
your adrenaline's gone. It's like the day later, you're like
the worst.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
What's the cardio you have to put in for a match?

Speaker 1 (55:25):
So different?

Speaker 2 (55:28):
That's right kind of cardio.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
I feel like, this is what I tell the newcomers.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
You probably blow yourself up more then the match blows you,
like blows you up because you're talking, you're breathing, you're fighting,
you're screaming, you're yelling. But if you can just like
stay in the moment and not let the adrenaline like
an adrenaline dump crash you, you'll be okay. I've like
not maybe I get it from my dad. That's been

(55:53):
like my strongest part of my game is that I
never get winded. But I also like do conditioning in
the ring like once or twice a week. But I
don't know, do you. I'm just comfortable out there. So
when you're not comfortable and you're nervous and you're screaming,
like you blow yourself up just by like breathing hard. Yeah, ye,

(56:17):
wasting energy.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I would do like a because we used to do
like metabolics. It's a type of conditioning where you'd run
like two minute drill and I'd run like ten routes
in a row, so you're pooped with no rest time.
I would do something like that in the ring, and
then during my rest time I'd get a microphone and
I'd just start having to talk. So like, you could
you train yourself to talk while you're tired?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Do you have to do that?

Speaker 1 (56:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
When I'm out there, it's just like something when my
music hits and I'm like in the zone. In the zone,
I mean, I've been more tired, and you know it's funny.
I feel like I get more tired and like the
really short matches than the really long matches because you're like, man,
I gotta get everything in four minutes crant, which never
turns out well.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yeah, screaming at the fans does blow you up, though.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
Got it.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
There was definitely some trash talk in this when Ronda
was screaming. Was twenty minute match, so yeah, I mean
way long for Rhonda this time, wouldn't you say, like
really like like three.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Times as long as anything one of her longest I thought, so.
I thought she did so well in our equip match too.
That one doesn't get that. Like I hated Armenia match
the single like she liked it. I hated it.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Your infro was sick though with the helicopter.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
No, that's thirty five wrestling her in a singles a
couple of years later.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I know what you mean.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Okay, alright, I quip match, but yeah, I don't know.
She just she just took a beating of a lifetime here.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Now when did you in this match? When did that
fuck it meter just go?

Speaker 1 (57:49):
I even walked down blue T shirt.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
So you knew not go with my gear.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
We knew we were going.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
We knew we were going around party.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
The fucking it was already out the window. I was like,
I'm a replacement?

Speaker 4 (58:03):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
So you just you went in knowing you were going
to bash her with that bamboo thingy.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Well, I just went in there going like I had
to believe all the hype, like I had to. I
don't know. I just got to her like.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
If I could make it through the feud with my
best friend, I could make it through anything. So this
was just like, no, I know you're the new shiny toy,
but I'll be the toy for like like.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
I get it now, Queen the Queen forever. Now what
what made what made the Queen choose the bamboo thingy?
And why didn't Is that our favorite prop of all time?

Speaker 5 (58:41):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (58:41):
I don't have a favorite prop. That's just what they
allowed me to use that night.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
And those under it's an underread.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Oh it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
You'll just not feel good. No, that's in like blood
Sport and Ship when they're like hitting them due.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Anytime I get hit, I just keep thinking of that
night where I'm like, oh man, I really still over,
like oh this is not good, like really over my paycheck.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
That year, and real creative use of the chair in
this match.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Yeah, that was y put her neck into it first,
and they were like, no, no, you really are going
to kill her. You gotta put it.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
On this way. Thank god I had the rest out there.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Oh my god, they had every ref in the day.
What's your favorite moment of this event?

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Probably, Well, I guess it's a two part. I loved
when I pushed her and she landed on her butt.
No one had seen Ronda vulnerable like that before, and
that was like kind of on the fly, like I
didn't say, hey, I'm gonna shove you this hard. I

(59:49):
just shoved her that hard. So it was so like
organic and real. But then I love that part. And
then with the with the referees, I just loved like
these are my friends and I'm gonna spear them and
hit him and I don't have to like lay off.
And then when I pushed the one a little ref
through the ropes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Like I was trying not to laugh. That was a
great cell. That was thanks, thanks for making me look good.

Speaker 6 (01:00:13):
Like there was every ref in the company had to
be out there isn't So now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
That was when you pushed her. That was your rocky
Russian moment where he bleeds this bliring you got him,
rock you got him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Oh that's a good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yeah. We had an elbow earlier. They drew blood too
in this one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
So I was like, oh man, sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
And then a big in the middle. It was man
action back from from the jack.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
That was real. That was just an unlucky.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Shot.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
Yeah, after a match like this is like, hey, I'm
sorry I pushed into this. Oh, I'm sorry I caught
you here. I'm sorry I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Killed you with the bamboo thing for fifteen minutes. No,
like you showers that was a good cell. There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
In apologizing, Hey I'm sorry, I'm gonna yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Yeah, it's unspoken. It's unspoken part of doing business.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
But it's also probably you guys, like if you get
a great reaction from the crowd, you guys probably get
back in the back, like we fucking killed it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Heck, yes, Well, she she told a friend of mine
or who was also a talent. She was like, well,
I just know if I'm gonna stiff Charlotte, she's gonna
stiff me back, like meaning like if you hit too hard.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
But I think that's a neat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
You just have that rapport with certain people, or like
you hit your friends harder, like Becky and I can
go out there and yeah do what like yeah, best friends.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
I can hte you harder.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
You do business as business is being done there, it is. Yeah,
it's kind of like when we would evaluate the referees
for that week's game, the very like first fifteen minutes
of the game. You can always see how the refs
are gonna call it. Are they gonna call it tight?
Are they gonna let us play? You do business as
business is being done that they go consistently through the match,

(01:02:01):
probably like your opponent. Yes, except you can't put those
reps through the through the ropes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
That's very good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Gronk tried to put that through a rope on Gronk
did a leg drop ones in a football game, that's
what he did.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
He did a people's elbow.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Wait, he was in a Wrestlemaniam, Yes, yes, rob so
he I think pre before that we were playing the
Bills and they were holding him every play.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
He got so mad. This guy intercepted a ball and
fell down and Gronk went and people's elbowed him like
it was fucking wrestling. He got suspended for two games
or something because he like really he was a big guy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Robbie, I've met him once.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
I think, oh, you gotta you love him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
He's our guy. We'll be right back after this quick break.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
I got one real quick technical question. So so much
a part like a big match like this is just
like selling it and being entertainment value. Something we're filmmakers
or something that I think gets lost the sauce a
little bit is the collaboration between the cameras.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Everything is there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Is that something that's like rehearsed or practice or are
those camera guys just know the bead to know the stuff,
like how does that collaboration come together.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
That's also another element to what we do. If you
can figure that out or listen to the guys that
are behind the camera trying to tell you, hey, we
need this shot or this shot or or if you're
out there and what's consciously thinking about that, that also

(01:03:38):
tells a better story for the audience, so they can
connect you more if you're constantly if your face is
constantly on TV. This match during the match didn't have
as many bullet points that we needed. Like I knew
I was gonna do the back flip off outside or
the back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Corner I knew I was going to do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
She was going to do the shots up ramp side
but at the end where the referees were, where the
chair was going to be. How I was going to
hit natural selection with her head into the chair, Like
all those things were extremely specific. Okay, yeah, like it
didn't look specific out there like that's our job, but no,

(01:04:23):
that was all Like I needed her to come up
and not organically be right there, but we'd already placed
it there. So that's all going through my head as
I was doing like walking around the ring moving things, so.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
You know, only cognizant of what you have to physically do,
but what the audience is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
We have like camera guy, so there's two posts up front,
camera guy there, a camera guy there, hardcam, and then
one guy down the ramp and you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
What each guy does and that like sets the people apart.
Who's really good at that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Like Randy Orton is one of the best, Like one
of the best. Face is always on that camera at
the right time.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
Building character, telling story? Yeah, the real quick do you
mentioned do you have like stage direction for for like, oh,
this is back corner, that's ramside. Like what are those terms?

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
We say? Baby face corner, heel corner.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Oh, but that's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Like the good guys are always here, the bad guys
are always here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Yeah, a baby face heel corner.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
I live in heel corner.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
That's all right, it's great.

Speaker 6 (01:05:29):
Wait, we talked a little bit about the pre match routine,
but like after a crazy match like this once you said, sorry,
do you have a post match routine that you always do,
like a go to like to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Go to drink protein shake, protein shake, beer beer, the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Glass of wine.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I like that truly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Yeah, something to something to come down?

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
How do you come down? All that adrenaline, It's got to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Be popping like a normal SmackDown.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
No, that's true or raw.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
I mean sometimes sure.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Pull up to the marry and be like, oh they
have truly Okay, I'll grab it truly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Gotta yay, gotta unwind, truly's hit diffy at the marry.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Yeah, I like that always.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I'm like, oh, do they have a mini prisecco.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
I'll take the truly what flavor? Truly?

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
I don't think it matters.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
They all ta Yeah, what's the after Matthews bo on
this bad Boy too on her Rondo wins via de
q Raw ended up sweeping SmackDown that night six and
O on the night, Uh, Charlott would be fine one
hundred k, I believe uh from the commission. Then went
on when on the next week, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
That's a story.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Maybe the same thing. Charge it to the game. Hey,
he hate the player every penny. They call that payroll
the duct amen and uh she said as Charlotte said,
I'm just sticking up from a SmackDown crew here, like,
why did it come on? Man? That's why I did it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
No, so I asked them to give me ten k each.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
I think it'd be a little questionable, but hey, we
didn't tell you to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Goes by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Smash Down, That's what it was all about.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
And then there it amen.

Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
And then the biggest thing that this set up, of course,
was WrestleMania thirty five, an epic showdown. We covered that
match on the show with Becky Lanchco. Check it out
if you haven't. It was a history making first all
female main event in WrestleMania history. And then fast forward
to December thirtieth, twenty twenty two, Charlotte beat Ryan or
Rousei for the SmackDown Belt, another epic match.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
The saga continues, and the saga continues, and hopefully we
get to see more of the saga more because we're
getting little tidbits here. Let's name the game and score
the game. These are some of the names that we
came up with. If you have a specific name that
you have in your brain, you can bring that one
in two. Anything you could do, I can do better,

(01:08:00):
a little playoffs, the Queen gets rowdy match, the can
do stick match, there will be blood match, de qed
Queen match, or something else. Or something else.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
I love anything you can do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
I can do, Baby, that I can do, I can
do better.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Now I'm use that the next time I get to
use a kindo stick.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Here that I'm definitely going to use that us the
nutheads will be going nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Yes, stand it on a T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Now, let's score the game. Is this the greatest game
of all time? Let's score it. Ashley steaks zero to
ten decimals. Okay, the steaks of this specific match in
twenty eighteen between you and Ronda Rousey. The steaks, oh,
ten ten. I'm going nine point two. I had a

(01:09:02):
seven point three.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
I had two point one. I'm a noted stakes hater.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Russian judge, Russian judge. Let's go to the star power
of this match. Zero to ten decimals.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
Okay, I think my.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Whole thing is going to be tens.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
Hey, why I score.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
So we can keep it in the Mark Cuban scoring system.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Star power ten.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Honestly, if you think about it legacy wise, this is
a huge star power. You have Ronda Rousey, who was
the biggest like this was Entourage days right.

Speaker 8 (01:09:34):
Following all that, she was huge cover of cover of
Sports Illustrated, and you got Charlotte who comes from royalty
of the wrestling world.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
I mean this is this is a nine to two again, okay,
and there's probably a hell of people. It's just if
it was a WrestleMania, then you got the other star
power there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Too, though, people in the building. The whole jazz Jackie
eight points seven point five.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
The game play or the match play of this fight
zero to ten decimals, okay, the back and forthness some
would say, the meltdown, window stick beat down stuff, the
cell of the match, zero ten decimals, okay, eight five,

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eight five.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
I'm gonna go with a seven to nine.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
I had an eight point zero.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
I had an eight point one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I like the physicality, like it, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Yeah, going tackling refs four, refs on, like that's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Just the girls don't get to do it often.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
They don't see more of that. And lastly, we grade
the name of the match, which is the anything you
can do, I can do better.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
I'm gonna have to change my scar on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Zero ten decimals, okay, seven nine, seven nine, seven nine.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
I'm going with the seven flat seven flat.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
At a seven to two. So we're in the same ballpark.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
I'm bumping mine up till seven to two. I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
I love a good pun, love it. And then what
does it match up in our matches of all time?

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Seven point seven three?

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Now where does that going to? All the fighting scores matches?

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
So that puts us it's our new fiftieth game overall,
just ahead of Super Bowl twenty one Giants versus Broncos
and just below l Way versus Montana nineteen eighty four
Week seven Chiefs versus Broncos.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
What super Bowl was that?

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Oh, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Who do we do that with?

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
Twenty one? That was Phil Simms. Yeah, we're going to
Disney World game.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yes, we're going to Disney World Game.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
It's spot we game with seven to two on that
And then you're also a part of another match we did.
Where is that one?

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
We also have the Becky two Belts twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Two, twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
There you go eight four eight four eight four Wrestlming
thirty five.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Oh the ending, it's all a seat. It's all about
a story.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
It's all about the match.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
But the story story, the story is insane. The story
was insane.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
This was great, Ashley. Did we miss anything from this match? No?
Is there anything you want to plug.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
Yeah, Summer Slam Met Life August second, third. I haven't
been there since wrestle Mania thirty five.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
I don't think. But now Summer Slam is two nights,
biggest party of.

Speaker 8 (01:12:26):
The year, biggest party party of the year, and two
nights every time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Are we getting some action?

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
I hope.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
So we're bringing the chopper back.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
I gotta get my throne back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
We got to get the thrown back, the chopper back
going back.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Got to bring my chopper back. Take it out of
the garage.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
You got it everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Check out Summer Slam at MetLife August second and third,
and check out Ashley on her Instagram Charlotte w w
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Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
You got it all.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
I'm like, what is my TikTok handle?

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
We'll put it in the like we will put.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Use my Twitter. I use Twitter, And which is the same.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
M s w W E on Twitter, thank you so
much for coming on.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Man, She's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
She has great legend. I get more wrestlers in here,
we got I love when we get wrestlers in here.
It gives you a whole other perspective. Yeah, maybe our
first North Carolinian in here too. I love that first
first North Carolinian.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Love that I was like wrestling. It''s intersection between entertainment
and athletics. It's like this cool balance where they're definitely
at they're athletes, but they're also telling a story.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
It's too real to me. Dammit, what do you what
do you mean they're telling the story? Okay, loser, God,
I need I need to chill out, so you know
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celebrate responsibly.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
Let's hit the old hatline again.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
That number is four two four two nine zero. Let's
get into it.

Speaker 9 (01:14:17):
Hey, Jules, I just want you to know this is
Stacy from Texas and that you were talking the other
day on Dude Dump Dudes about Madden and I believe
you are the Madden for this generation. You have explained
football in such a way and let us see behind
the scenes and behind the curtain, and I think you

(01:14:40):
have to do an excellent job of explaining everything, and
you certainly have made a fan of me since I
saw you on New Heights. So thank you, Jules, and
have a wonderful weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Stacy from Tech shout out Stacy. Holy moly, you gotta
watch John Moore, Stacy, high praise.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
That is high praise.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
You gotta watch more John Madden Again, don't put me
in the same sentence, but that is such a Those
are some beautiful kind words. And I love that we
got someone from Texas from doing New Heights. That's called
cross pahollination, cross pollination. That's right, as people helping people.
That's why you do all those media appearances.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
That's why that's why we talk about all them weights.
Thank you Stacy for a little bit of fun. You
do do a great job of like taking a high
concept type of stuff and kind of pulling back the
curtain on like real football for a layman.

Speaker 6 (01:15:38):
And doing it in an entertaining and personable and real
way that appeals to even the most casual fans.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Well, we have good people that know how to ask
and write the right questions to get that out of me.
So it's a team effort. Let's keep it going. Questions
We're all disciples of Madden. So we're all disciples of Madden.

Speaker 7 (01:15:58):
Hey, guys, this is Eric in Ukaypa, California. I was
just calling uh because Jewels, I read your book Relentless
years ago, thought it was amazing. Just kind of curious
if you have any plans to write another book, maybe
more personal stuff life after football, you know, just the
years since you know, more stuff about like your own
personal thoughts and everything. Of course football stories we all

(01:16:20):
love that. But anyway, I know you've written some children's books,
but just curious you have more books for adults that
you have planned to come out? All right, man if
so I look forward to I can't wait to read
it later.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
Eric, from where Kupaupa? That's probably? It feels like where
is that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
That's a very thoughtful question, really good. We got to
see where this guy lives. It's in the San Bernardino County,
east of San Bernardino, so we're close to here. San Bernandino,
I believe was where the first McDonald was.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
Yeah, this is near. This is near. Do you ever
go to Oakland? Did they have a little like and
the some magapple orchards and they're like, oh, if you
want new England in California, go to Oakland.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
It's not your correct Jewels.

Speaker 6 (01:17:06):
First McDonald's San Bernardino, California, thirteen ninety eight Northeast Street,
Come on, man, and then Eric came in there and
messed it all up with his milkshake machines.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
I haven't thought about writing another book at all. There's
been some whispers with people behind the scenes, but it's
never gotten real.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Tails from the nuthouse. Yeah, but I don't know. I
got to live some more life. I'm still like in
the grinding stage of my next career.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
Tim Tebow has like three autobiographies.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Yeah, but Tibo is like he's got He's probably got
three fascinating stories. Jewels hadn't even circumcised one kid, bro. Yeah,
it's a rookie number only been like five brisks. This
guy's been circumcised.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
It's a brisk like a brist that's fast, like a
fast one, a brisk b I love the brisk tight.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
I love how this off keeps me on a layaway
or or keeps me on high for the brisk.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
Yeah, we've got a bristle brisk call me. I'm like
cro we're shooting on that day.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
We were might just gonna you live in Boca ok. Yeah, yeah,
I'm like you're over at Los Sienaga.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
There is a bris on A.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Great question, Eric, but no thought yet.

Speaker 7 (01:18:18):
This is Lauren from Texas.

Speaker 9 (01:18:20):
My question is for Julian. How does finding an agent work?

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
Do they find you?

Speaker 7 (01:18:29):
Do you go and look for them?

Speaker 9 (01:18:31):
Do they get paid when you get paid? Who do
you know to trust?

Speaker 7 (01:18:36):
So that's my question.

Speaker 9 (01:18:38):
I like the podcast, it's really good, informative and positive.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Thank you Lauren from Texas. How do you get your agent? Well,
I'll give you my experience. I was coming out of
Kent State, so I didn't I didn't have a lot
of agents pursuing me. But my coach, Doug Martin was
represented by Ian Duben Sports at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
They do a lot of coaches too, right, h A
lot of coaches.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
They have, they have coaches and I uh, I met
with a few other agents and they were all I mean,
you could tell there were some swindly dudes, like some
dude from I'm talking East West swindlely, so a little different,
you know, like some Uncle Buck vibes.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
What's east west swindly?

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Midwest midwest? Did I say east west you're talking about
the SRI. I was thinking about the shrine like some
some just it's just swindly business. And then you know,
my my my coach put a word into my to
Ian Dubin or something, and Don called me and basically
gave his pitch and they flew me out to l

(01:19:50):
A And so that's how I signed with them. So
if you're a high talented guy out of college, there's
there's guys coming at you all day. And back in
the day before the guys were getting paid. The agents,
which my agents were like like regular type dudes, like
low key agents, and that's kind of how I liked it,

(01:20:11):
you know, I didn't want the flashy, this kind of
there's agents that you know, back in my day, they
would give guys a bunch of money so like they
could get their car or whatever while they're training. It
was basically a loan that they had to pay back
once they got their money from their signing bonus, which
I don't I didn't do that, but that's what I've

(01:20:31):
heard used to be done. And then like the agent
would pay for the living, they would pay for the training,
which you know for three months, that's fifty sixty grand
you know, so that you get a loan from your
your agent and if or it, you know they could
do there's some guys that'll eat that cost because if

(01:20:54):
they have a first round guy, they're gonna make you know,
millions of dollars. So, like, I don't know how they
pitch it to certain guys, but there was there was
deals within deals on how you got your agents back
in the day. Now it's changed completely nowadays because these
guys are getting agents pitched that out of high school though, yeah,
you know, because there's agencies that represent athletes, that have

(01:21:17):
divisions that represent nil. So now you know they'll they'll
send over their NIL department, get these kids younger and
then feed them into their you know, the big system
of who they are. You know, you got the Rosenhaus,
you got the other big ones to see you know,
there's there's five or six big ones, and then you
got like these mom and pop shop agents, you know,

(01:21:39):
And I wouldn't put my agency in that because they
got some big I mean my agent tique. Yes, they
didn't have a boatload of guys, and they had a
certain amount of different types of guys, you know, so uh,
that's how you got agents. I guess when when you're
a pro, get connected, you know, then they start coming

(01:22:01):
to practices.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
No, what else is an agent providing for you? Besides
just like the standard contract negotiations, So.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
On field, they're doing all the on like the negotiation
talks between the club and you. Okay, So the GM
or whoever handles the personnel on the on the team,
they'll call your agent anytime, or if you want to
have something said, you could you could have your agent
call and do that. So there's a good buffer system

(01:22:33):
for business.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
Mostly business. Nothing on the field, none of that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
It's mostly just like now, off the field, your agent
also can get you like in commercials they can get
marketing and stuff shoe deals. But also you know, there's
different agencies for different type things. So like when I
was playing, I had my football agent with Josey and Dubin.

(01:22:59):
They handled everything on the field and they would get
they would get me stuff off the field. But I
had multiple people getting me stuff off the field.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
At that time, I had like a fashion agent per person.
That was like when I was doing stuff with Joe's,
Jean's and McCage and you know, doing all this you
know fashion e stype type stuff or or appearance type
fee or designing something like. I had an agent for that,
so then they would get a cut of whatever they
brought me from there. And then I had you know,

(01:23:29):
a TV agent, which was a different agent than my
Duman agent, which was a different agent than the fashion agent.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
So there's there's multiple different agents, which I like to
do it like that. You know, there they are, Yeah,
there are people, there are houses like you can go
to companies that have one that does it all.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Soup to nuts. Yeah, the big boys.

Speaker 6 (01:23:47):
Yeah, did like Ian Dubn put you in touch with
the fashion and the entertainment people or do you kind
of do that on your own?

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
A little bit of both.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Okay. You know, they would look for my interests and
they would put me like the I think they got me,
you know, uh, I mean into a fashion week or something,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
That made friends there and you know that's it's just
a lot of networking and then you find and then
you know, yeah, so multiple different agents for these athletes
and especially now you have social media managers. Yeah, I
had a whole different department that was you know, doing

(01:24:23):
that and there was multiple different kind of so called agents.
It's not just one guy.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
Now for your like the main contract agents, they're taking
what three percent off of like gross or after tack,
Like what do they how do they actually get paid?

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
So you're you're agent on the field, the standard is
usually three percent of what you get your you're on
the field contract. Now there are guys that negotiate that
down that get huge deals.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
They can negotiate one hundred million, give me one if
you do it for one percent or now you're even
seeing guys do it on their own. Yeah, a Llah
you know, Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Now, if they get you something that's not associated with
the team, like that's off the field, not your contract
for playing with the team, a Tostitos commercial, a Toastito's commercial,
and they usually would take like ten percent of what
it would be Okay, so they would get three percent
of what you're on field, what you were getting through
the team for playing for the team, and then they

(01:25:31):
get ten percent of anything they brought you off from
off the field. And that's usually ten to fifteen to
twenty range. That that that range, and that that comes
from a lot of different people. You know, ten, it's
usually ten, but you know you get up into those
model worlds and stuff because you know, like you dip

(01:25:52):
over and you've done some stuff for that that market.
You get like those agents they take like fifty percent
from like it's crazy. So like there's a whole Each
industry is a little different. Sure, and I'm sure the
size of each contract matters on the size of each

(01:26:12):
what sure that agreements.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
Between you know, and with like the entertainment business, there's
the managers, there's agents, there's even lawyers sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Yeah, so your agents are usually are a one stop
shop so you don't have to do like in Hollywood.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
Yeah, it's all there, it's all in one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yeah, Your your sport agent handles the team, so like
you don't have like in they're the lawyers that are
doing the legal legality work. They're also doing the negotiation
they you know, so like there's its sports. It's a
little different than Hollywood.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
Do you know anything? And I know that you don't
probably not experience it from your career, but as always
fascinating to me that like teams, let's say a player
is requesting a trader wants to get moved that like
teams let an agent of a player seek out deals.
Do you know anything about there?

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
I've never been in that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
Yeah, I thought that was peculiar or interesting that a
front office would like, well, I made an agent go
look for some deals and speak on their agents.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
They have guys on every team, so you know, they
have relationships, and that's what the that's the value of
having an agent is the relationship that they have with teams.
If he has a guy on that team, you know,
and he does good business with that guy, you know,
then the team's going to be more linked, you know
what I mean. And it's just that that's that that

(01:27:35):
was the whole thing when we were talking about Lamar's negotiation,
like there was no relationship between each side and each side,
which is you know that it's it's just new. That's
why it was looked at differently. It got done. But
he also used a lawyer. He did it more of
like a Hollywood contract.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
You'd get your own deal and your lawyer, like Irons
and all.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
So that's what he kind of it did. He did
it so like in Hollywood, right, you get your age,
your agent gets a fee, your manager gets a fee,
and then then there's a lawyer that tightens everything up
and gets you know what I mean. I think he
kind of handled it like that without the others. He
just you know, did the deal, which you know, looking back,
if I knew what I knew now sick frank on him.

(01:28:22):
I wouldn't sick frank on him, but I would, you know,
I would know how to do a deal. Yeah, and
I would just have a lawyer tighten it up. Yeah,
and and go over you know, and and the legality
talk and you know what I mean, all you have
to have is your lawyer. You know it like you
know now. But like and maybe Lamar does now through
that experience, which you know, that could be huge going

(01:28:45):
forward for him in his life, Like that could be
he's a pioneer, you know, on the one thinks everyone's
crazy for the first time they do shit, Hey man,
trail Blazer, because I.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
Was like, man, he's crazy. You don't got an agent.
What's three percent of that's a lot of money for
that contract.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
But it's also you know, it's a convenience cost. And
you know what I mean, you're paying that cost to
let them do their work so you can keep your
mind on football because we're you know, at heart, you're
paying the people to give you the convenience so you
can work on your craft, you know what I mean.

(01:29:22):
That's why I always had a team of and of
people when I was playing, Like let them worry about everything,
have someone, find someone you can trust, really go over that,
and then you know, so you can keep the main
thing the main thing, and everything grows if you do
well on the field, no matter what. Like I was

(01:29:43):
talking to young guys at the Patriots practice and I
was thinking about it. I was like, whatever your goal
is as a professional athlete, like when you're on this team,
the process is all whatever it is, the process is
still the same. Whether it's to be the best player,

(01:30:05):
whether it's to be the best teammate, whether it's to
make the most money, whether it's to be the most famous.
I like all those. Whatever your goal is, to get
to the best of that, you have to do the
same shit. So you might as well do the shit, yeah,
and realize that those all grow when you do the shit.

(01:30:25):
I don't know if that, I know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
If you are performing on the field will trickle down
to all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Everything which ultimately comes down to that practice That's why
that practice means so much, because you know what I mean,
you put so much time and effort in to get
your body as explosive as it possibly can. Now you
have these certain amount of reps that you have before
you go into pads. Every rep is freaking important, you know,

(01:30:54):
And like you said, it's stargely keeping the main thing
the main thing.

Speaker 6 (01:30:56):
So many of these guys like you want to get
over their skis and do meet and social media, and
well you're always you know what I mean, like that
foundation foundation, right, but like before you've done any you
know what I mean, like before you've done it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
But you also can tell, like what what guy's goals
are through you know what they are.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
When we reselling your t shirts back when you were playing,
like you could have put the best design on the
planet out and if you get hurt or if you
don't perform well, or if you don't win a super Bowl,
it doesn't matter, or if you could put out the
whatever design after super Bowl. It's it's just how it goes.
When the main thing is the main thing, then the
other stuff follows.

Speaker 6 (01:31:31):
And then you gotta you just gotta worry about the
head coach of New England coming up to the MLA
in the lunch room and corner, and you trying to
negotiate deals right then and there.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
You call like Duban right after that. Hell yeah, I
righted his ass out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
You know, we don't need to have the age is
involved here, you know, and he didn't. You know, he's
he goes like this, Bill goes like this. He goes,
look like, you say something to your agent. I say
something to Casario. They say. He's like, there's so many
fucking people, like why we could just do this ourselves.

(01:32:06):
He literally, you say something to your agent. He says
something to Casio, Casario says something to He's like, late,
that's what he's laid out, like a nice try buddy.
I was like, coach, I just I just let my
agent do this. I'm dumb football player. Oh I played
stupid who he knows everything about me, that old New

(01:32:30):
England football coach. Fucking guy. Yeah, we don't talk about him.
We'll bleep that leap that name until he comes in
this motherfucker, until his until he's right here on this
goddamn couch. We're bleeping his name fast. That's the fact.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
He's like Voldemort.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
We shook on it. We'll be right back after this
quick break.

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
Yeah, Jules, I just listened to the last voice now
episode of Games with Names.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
This has been a fear of mine growing up.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
And I'm all the way across the country. You guys
living on the San Andreas fault line that that doesn't
scare you at all. It's just the question it scares me.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
So I don't have no sit episode peace. Are we
about to be come a geology podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
You know? Living on the San Andreas fault lines has
its it's scares, but it also has its pluses. The
scares are at any moment, the cement from right under
you could just crack into half any moment. But because
of that, when I'm driving down the two eighty, I
see beautiful mountains, I see beautiful elevation. I see topography

(01:33:47):
that these eyeballs can't freaking see anywhere other than here.
It's nuts. And I drive this state a lot because
I go up to the Bay area, I go up
to Yosemity area, I go to the Lakes. I drive
the freaking top I'll drive the freaking man It, I'll
drive the Palm Spring. We're a fucking family trip kind
of guy. Yeah, baby, you put at least six to

(01:34:09):
eight five hour plus driving sessions in a year right
up that fault line.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
So we hit that fault line a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
It's it's it's it's scary, but like anything, like when
you live in Florida, everyone's terrible. You know, you know
how to prepare for a hurricane, even though you don't
you can't. But like when we were kids, you know,
we had the earthquake drills and ship. You get under
the table, you find a door frame, you know, you
bring your little We all had to bring our little

(01:34:37):
packs where you got your blanket and ship like we
all in the I remember you used to have to
pack those like week one and they're all like the
can stuff like like uh like canned peaches and uh
like and stuff and like all that be jerky and
like on the last day of school, you got to

(01:34:58):
take it home. You just come go and eat eat
it all. You're eating your earthquake pack. But yeah, it's
it's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
At the Sandrea's fault, I was just in Joshua Tree
and in one of the like look at Keys Point
and Josha Tree. You can see the big valley at
the Coachella Valley. You just see the San Andreas fault
just splits the whole thing. It's so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Well, like the two eighty in northern California, you could
like watch right down in like Crystal Springs Reservoir is like.

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
We was that on the way to half Moon Bay. Yeah, yeah,
that was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Yeah, it's just because of that fault line, you get
this crazy beauty.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
Yeah, you know, and if it ever really goes then
we just live on an island.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
There it is?

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
Is there water under us? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:35:42):
Remember the Dwayne Johnson film from twenty fifteen San Andreas. Yeah,
one hundred and ten million dollars budget made, four hundred
and seventy four.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Pretty made and seventy Yeah. Man, that's in twenty fifteen dollars.
That's when movies were making money. That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
Shout out Dwayne's one more geology questions. That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
We are a geology podcast, not jeez. I remember taking
an earth dynamics class at Kent State and just learning
about like or in like all these kids are like
from the Midwest, and we were talking about like the
Sant Andre's fault line and liquefaction and stuff. I was like, yeah, dude,
we build him on rockers, rollers and stuff. You don't
got to worry about that the big deal.

Speaker 4 (01:36:24):
You know, we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
We don't have sandy ass areas out there.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
Ted talk youet a little Ted.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Talking earth dynamics, one hundred earth dynamics.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
How many times you go to that class? I went
to that class a lot. What's a lot?

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
At least sixty five.

Speaker 6 (01:36:43):
I don't think I've ever asked you this, but did
you take any fashion classes at Kent State?

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
I didn't because the program is so good. I well,
I was wonder if you didn't about it yet. Oh okay, yeah,
I feel that like you're still afferent part of campus.
Oh totally, okay, it's on a different part of campus.
I always love that fun factor. So I met a
kid on the beach here. Did you tell me about this? Yes?
He just came up to you randomly, right, randomly. Yeah,
he went to Kent Stay. He's like, oh, I don't mean, like,

(01:37:09):
what the hell are you doing? You went to Kent State?
What are you doing out here? Are you in fashion
or something? He's like, yeah, I'm in fashion. I was
like what He's like, I worked with like old American
Americano vibes, like you know LEVI and Ship. I gotta
put you in touch with my home girl who works
at LEVI trying to help out a little flash, you know,
get his his kickstart at the network. He's like twenty three,

(01:37:32):
fresh out of college man. Yeah, number one design in
the Midwest.

Speaker 4 (01:37:36):
Should we audit a remote Kent State class this summer.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
I'm down do it remote your lifelong learners. Let's do
it with Jack.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
Let's take a look at what the.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
I remember I had a business situation. Now one of
my business class we had like a really cool business
teacher at Kent Business one hundred and uh. One of
the professors was a guy who was clearly a venture
capitalist that went to Kent State, that made a boatload
of money that was like coming back just for.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
Like a like yeah, oh help out my university.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Yeah. And I remember him talking in two thousand and
six about streaming. Wow, He's like, yeah, you pretty soon.
This is when DVDs were just getting hot, you know
what I mean. Yeah, he was and Blu Ray and stuff.
He goes ten years, You're not even gonna need anything.

(01:38:31):
You're just gonna order everything right from your TV. I'm like,
no fucking way, dude, And that was Ted Crendos.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
Geez, who's this guy?

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
That's crazy? Who's this guy talk about being ahead of
your time? Prescient? Man? Was that two thousand and five?

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
Six?

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
When we start doing that?

Speaker 4 (01:38:46):
That's wild?

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
I mean five years later streaming.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
There's a geographic information science graduate program online for Kent State.
Let me see not anything fashion wise?

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Well, let's take a fashion one.

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
I don't know if there's an on line fashion course.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Yeah. Netflix officially launched streaming in January. We should take
a fashion take a fashion class at Kent State. I'm
so down, like an Americano old school cowboy.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
Fucking If anyone's still listening to this, thank you, Hey
can't stay. Hit us up, Wales, hit us up.

Speaker 6 (01:39:19):
They wanted We weren't take a fashion class, weren't audited online,
and then we can.

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
Whoever has the best grade?

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
When my president left, my lady, Oh dang, Michael.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
Warren shout she left twenty nineteen, Bev?

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Did she hit you your degree?

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Enemy? Oh? Bev. BEV worked with me to get me
in my degree.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
What do you mean, Sam?

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Basically I had to sit and talk to their professors
and explain my businesses.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
You're like when Steven Spielberg got his peach with a PhD.
He has PhD from or doctorate from USC Film School,
and then he needed to send an example of his
work and he like just like, well, here's Shindler's list.
Is that good enough for you? USC? And they're like, yeah, okay,
here you go. It's like you, here's j E. Eleven.

(01:40:14):
I get my PhD.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
I don't think are you gonna start calling me doctor Edels?

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
I think Kent State's not that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Oh yeah, would you be the kind of guy that
if you got an honorary doctorate you would make people
call you doctor?

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
You got to speak at a Kent State graduation.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
I'm with you. I'm not there yet. We got to
start writing my speech for the Patriots Hall of Fame.
Oh true, I think I'm not write it, but just
put like names and tell stories.

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
I like that. And then you didn't say check out
the rest on games with names no more?

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Remember like subscribe, like and subscribe. You got twelve minutes.
Oh wow, that's a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
It's not really talking in front of a stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
That's the height some people have gone five. Okay, I
feel like this that's the stadium, not in front of
the stadium. This is at the Patriots Hall at a halftime.
But you get like four minutes for five minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
All right, audience, send if you're still listening, send uh
voicemails of what Jules should say of ideas, that's fine,
some like things that you want to hear from him
for Let's see what Let's see what the nuthouse comes
up with.

Speaker 6 (01:41:10):
I like taking the mic off the podium, kind of
pacing back and forth. Nothing into a roast. Yeah, doing
the coaches twirl with Myers.

Speaker 4 (01:41:19):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Jesus No, that's probably not the way you go. You
want to say, I bake Tedsky's dunkin Donuts Corporation.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
I think Tom's speech was sponsored by Raytheon. That's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Tom gave a good speech.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
Actually, was ready to vote for him. Whatever guy's gonna
run for I was gonna vote.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
I know it's scary. I gotta follow that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
We do it because it's hard, so good. Anyway, let's
let's go. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
I'll remember, let's go home there.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
Man, Well, he's got a chill from that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
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