Best Moments of 2025 in the Nuthouse

Gronk and Julian Edelman's best moments from the podcasts this year including hilarious moments with guests like Bill Burr, Ice Cube, Matt Light, Will Campbell, and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What a twenty twenty five it has been.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We've ranked dudes, we've scored games, we've hosted plenty of legends,
and we've.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Had a whole lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
We had a big year.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
What about Games with Names? What were your favorite episodes
from this year?

Speaker 1 (00:16):
So many good ones. Loved having Big v on.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Dan Soder had me cracking up talking about living in
the Bay when he didn't live in the Bay. Genie Buss,
we had the Queen of La thanks to all of
our awesome guests. Loved getting to have light Slate Ninko,
Will Campbell. We had Will Campbell on all of those
Dudes too.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Remember to like and subscribe to both Dudes on Dudes
and Games with Names now follow both shows across our
social media platforms.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Let's look back to some of the best moments from
the Nuthouse in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
Did you see that recent one that Lawrence Taylor drove
by Giant Stadium.

Speaker 6 (00:57):
You saw the lights on him.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
And he's like, oh fuck, I have a game, yeah,
and showed up in the first quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
He showed up late.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
They benched him for a series and then he went
out and I think he had like seven Sacks.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
All right, I'm gonna tell a story.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
Okay, I don't feel like I'm talking out out of
school here, because this is this is uh, this is
a funny story. So I'm doing inside the NFL. Phil
Simms is on the show and Lawrence Taylor is coming in.
So it's Phil, Chris Collinsworth, Lawrence Taylor, and me. Right,
I mean one of those classic like what in the

(01:30):
hell am I doing here?

Speaker 7 (01:31):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:32):
So Lawrence hasn't showed up yet, so Phil tells me
a story. I can't believe Lawrence Taylor is going to
be here. I mean, that guy was. He's just like
he literally changed the game, and I was just going
on and on about him. He goes, you know what's
funny about that guy? He goes, he didn't even know
the names of the teams in the leagues. I go,
get the fuck out of here. He goes, yeah, he goes.
One time, he goes, we were we won some game.

(01:54):
They were on the road, and they're on the team playing.
They're all hyped and Lawrence is psyched, and Phil goes, yeah,
hey man, you know the Redskins lose, then we're gonna
be in first place in our division. And Lawrence goes, uh,
oh yeah, he goes he goes, who's in our division?
And Phil goes, you don't know who's in our division?
And he goes, man, I don't give a shit, right,
And I'm thinking, like that is the genius that held him.

(02:15):
Let's say, I don't need extra information in my head.
You have a different uniform than me, I'm gonna ruin
your day. So I thought it was a hilarious story.
But as always, you know, you think maybe you put
a little mustard on it or whatever. Ten minutes later,
Lawrence Taylor comes walking in. Him and Phil both just
start laughing, which was great. They just saw each other.
They start laughing. They hugged and everything. You just know

(02:35):
all the shit that they did back then. Who knows, right,
So Lawrence sits down and he starts telling stories. Right,
They just start telling things, and in the middle of
one story goes he goes, we were down in down.

Speaker 6 (02:46):
In New Orleans.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Then we were playing the uh And he goes, Phil,
what's the name of that team in New Orleans?

Speaker 6 (02:50):
And he goes to Saints. He goes, you're playing the Saints.
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
And then fat sports writers would would would say that,
you know, they say that he wasn't smart, he was
blah blah. It's like that's like some Einstein shit. I'm
wearing the same shit every day, so my brain doesn't
I only need to worry about Like you know, you
hear all those stories how he would sleep through meetings
and then get up and diagram the whole play or
they would ask him if it was okay.

Speaker 6 (03:14):
The guy is like a fucking genius. Genius.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
But the fact that he didn't even know, like the
fact that he's almost like a housewife in the level
that he doesn't know the names of the teams. Yet
he's the most alpha dominating player that I ever saw.
But you know why he seems like he fell out
of the sky is because his favorite player was Hollywood Henderson. Yeah,

(03:38):
and he was sort of he was like Hollywood Henderson
was the gap as far as the linebacking position between
like you know, Dick Buckis in that era and him.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
He came and it looked like he was an alien.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
It was because unfortunately, Hollywood Henderson had like substance abuse
problems and it affected his career. But one of the
greatest play another underrated play nineteen seventy six, the Steelers
are playing the Cowboys and the Steelers kick off. Guess
who receives it? Hollywood Henderson. They had a linebacker receiving

(04:11):
their kick in nineteen seventy six like that, that just
didn't happen, and he took it all the way down
the field to like they're forty five and Roy Jirella,
their kicker, just sort of dove like that and his
linebacker knee hit his ribs, broke them, yeah, and fucked
him up for the game. And it's a really hard
game to watch if you're a Cowboys fan because they
were running reverses.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
I think that's what it was.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
It was a reverse on the on the kickoff, and
they were doing all of this shit and then they
got up and then they just sat on the ball
and the Steelers kept playing and then they came back
and beat them.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Man, how does it feel to be that old to
remember a nineteen seventy six game that great?

Speaker 5 (04:48):
I watched it on YouTube. The first one I watched
was seventy eight.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
What's the first game you remember watching?

Speaker 5 (04:55):
You know some OJ Simpson was playing in like the
early seventi and my, yeah, my dad's screaming at the
TV or something.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
My grandfather going, uh, you know, he's the old days.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
He's like packing a pipe to smoke it inside.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
He Sherlock Holmes, fucking.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
No, old men smoked pipe. And I gotta be honest
with you to this.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
Both my grandfathers smoked pipes, And to this day, if
I smell pipe smoke, it puts me in like the
greatest mood because both my grand grandfathers with these amazing
like guys guys.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
Yeah, so that was probably the first one.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
But I've also like gone back and like I've watched
all of this history of the NFL, and I'll tell
you a great guy and he just passed away unfortunately,
and in the NFL never gave him his due. Was
this guy, Marlin Briscoco. He played for the Broncos, black quarterback.
They drafted him. He was like second or third string

(05:52):
or something like that, and both white quarterbacks go down.
This is like the late sixties, and he goes in
and you immediately see the modern on a day NFL.
It wasn't just standing there throwing like that. He was
all over the field. More Randall Cunningham, I would say
than Michael Vick and he won like six of the
last seven games something crazy. And then you know, they

(06:13):
didn't make the playoffs because they were having a bad
season before he got in there. And then the next
season the team just drafted another high rank white guy
and they shipped him off the Buffalo and he finished
his career as a wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Wow. Yeah, sounds like the sixties.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Well this is what sixties. It sounded like right through
the nineties, I feel.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, yeah, I guess, so that's.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
What like, this is like all of this shit that
I was so fucked up as I can remember all
of that stuff, and I think because I looked at
the football cards and I remember all the names, and
then I also went back and I was fascinated, like
what happened right before I started watching football and then
today's game. Like you know, you age out as a player,

(07:01):
I also feel you can age out as a as
a fan, and like how certain teams like they sort
of aged out with during like free agency because their
whole thing was the draft and their scouts, and then
when the game became more free agency, they didn't adjust.
I would say as a fan that the fan version

(07:22):
of that is I didn't get involved in fantasy football. Yeah,
so now I don't know the player's name, I don't
know what's going on. And then like I also feel
like they kind of sold their souls all all professional
sports for offense because they had reached maximum density with
sports fans, and then offense gets the casual fan. Yeah,

(07:43):
and I think that they are envious of the UFC
to see them start so much later than them but
then go global. But there's something about soccer, football, whatever,
and and fighting it just transcends all borders and all that,
which I find, uh like really fascinating. Not fighting, because fighting,

(08:08):
you know, it's like I remember Joe Rogan telling this
story saying, like, you know, if you're driving down the
street and there's two people playing you know, catch or whatever,
playing base, you know you're not going to really watch
because but if you're driving down the street and you
see a fight, like you got to watch it.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
And it was sort of like this really.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
True, yeah, easy way of explaining how their thing got
as big as it dig And I don't know what
it is about soccer, but everybody seems to it seems
to enjoy.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
It because all you need is a ball.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
Say that about hoop, I guess you need you need
a basketball.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Basketball is also very global. Yeah, okay, you know what
I mean. Yeah, So your point.

Speaker 8 (08:45):
About like how football is kind of change and involved
and sold it sold for offense is a conversation we
have behind the scenes on this show a lot because
we go watch eighty five game, we watch a game
from the early two thousands and the game is so different.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Oh yeah, you don't even want to hear my conspiration theory.
Like my conspiracy theory right now is is the NFL
is in a bad place because they only have one
great quarterback. True as far as like this's always been
braiding Brady Manning, you know uh what Lway.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Marino quarterback, So Mahomes.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Mahomes is the guy that sells the tickets. I'm not
saying this, not like great talent at that position, but
nobody has put up sort of like he doesn't have
his you know, Hatfield and McCoy guy.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
So it's sort of their own.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
The only storyline they have right now is Canny three Peete.
So that's why, like the ridiculous that guy took his
helmet off from the fucking end zone.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
The rep says, put it back on.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
I mean it's just like he's like, you realize this
is televised, right, Like what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
So you know that's a penalty supposed to be a penalty.
Take your helmet off. It's fifteen.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Do you like New England so far?

Speaker 9 (09:51):
It's good. I've been getting used to it. I'm a
justin I was telling Julian before I, you know, got
drafted up here. Outside of going to an away game,
I had the furthest north or East I'd ever been
was Atlanta, So like, it's just it's definitely I guess
you could say what some people would call the culture

(10:13):
shock for sure, But you know, the football is great,
the people are great, So yeah, it's been good so far.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
About the food, how are you liking the food here?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Some of it's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
You have any clam child or yet?

Speaker 9 (10:24):
No, I hadn't. I hadn't had it. I don't know
if that's really my speed. My favorite spot so far
is definitely Aria Ariah in the North.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
And North End. Wait, you like all the trees. See,
people took that like, but there's a lot of trees.

Speaker 9 (10:39):
People took that and made it sound like I was
an idiot. I had never like I thought, always thought
that the stadium was in downtown Boston. Yeah, yeah, I
never knew that it was until I came up here
on my thirty visit that it was forty five minutes
from the city. So I should have went into more
detail when I talked about that.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well, well, I understand, Joe, because people take a lot
of things I say and make me sound like an
idiot as well.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
So yeah, so I I saw you just do something
in your head.

Speaker 10 (11:09):
Well, I'm just thinking, like typically like when I just
say things I do sound like an idiot, Like I don't.
People don't have to like interpret anything like it just
kind of happens that way. I would say that, uh,
like when you when you when you start cruising around
here better, one of the things you're gonna say is
the people are great, just but not all of them, Okay,

(11:32):
because that's what I remember thinking when I first got
up here. I was like, what is wrong with these people?
Everybody's in a rush. It's it's absolute chaos. They drive
like it's combative.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
That's what it is.

Speaker 9 (11:41):
It's the it's the old ladies with the road rage.

Speaker 10 (11:45):
And I'm just like, yeah, why are you flipping me
off like with style, though they're typically pretty pretty, pretty jazzy,
driving like a nice vehicle.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'll tell you one.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Thing though about the people of New England. They are
they are kind of they have a mean to them.
But I tell you, if your need of help, real
help compared to other Like I live in other parts
of the country where there people are nice and they
put on a front of being nice, but if they

(12:16):
saw you getting robbed right in front of them, they
would walk by.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
People in New England they'd help you.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
You know, they're assholes, but because that's just what they're
it's so fucking cold here, you gotta be something.

Speaker 10 (12:27):
It's almost like the head coach, right, Like I tell
people all the time, I'm like Raves, like he's he's
the biggest jerk in the room, but he's your jerk
and you're gonna love him. I remember when he first
came to the team, it was like, oh, man, this
dude's got an edge. And I knew just from some
of the stories at Ohio State back in the day.
But then you know, you get to know Raves and

(12:47):
you're like, that's my guy. And in New Englanders are
kind of the same way. Man, it takes a bit
of a buy in, like you need you need to
walk around on this ground for a minute or two
before they're going to recognize the fact that you're actually here.
But once they do, sky's a limit man. And honestly,
it's why we It's why we stayed. I mean, it's
you know, my kids, you know, grew up here and
we didn't want to disrupt that. But on the on

(13:09):
the flip side, you know, we met some amazing people.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Amazing people.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Now, will you know Matt Light's like best friends with
your coach. You have any questions about braves that you
you have prepared to ask that you may need from Matt? I,
oh no, give me a second to think.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
I'm you think about that. Have you been to Red
Sox scheme yet?

Speaker 7 (13:32):
I have?

Speaker 9 (13:32):
He actually took us, took all the rookies to a
game that was pretty cool. I'm really not like a
huge baseball guy, like I definitely cannot watch MLB game
on TV, but like going to a stadium.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Eating a dog, not into eating hot dogs.

Speaker 9 (13:49):
No hot dogs, nah, but some nachos or something like that.
Watch a game I can go with that.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Would you do batting practice if they asked you to.

Speaker 9 (13:56):
I would do that for sure.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
I got to have your thoughts on the break the
statue any yeah, critiques you, What are your thoughts on?

Speaker 3 (14:04):
What would you change? Hey, if you could change something
about it.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
I know you've been thinking about this, and I know
you want to air thish and I want to get
right to that bracege.

Speaker 10 (14:13):
I just saw it for the first time last week
in person. Yeah. Yeah, I was up up elevated position
looking down on it.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
We want to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 10 (14:22):
I didn't get right up on it. But before we
do that, can we go back just just a quick
little rewind. Did you get like, was there a problem
to do you choke on a hot dog when you're
Why don't you like hot dogs?

Speaker 1 (14:33):
I just don't.

Speaker 10 (14:34):
You've never liked the hot dog?

Speaker 9 (14:35):
Yeah? I think my mom, like whenever I was like
six or seven, told me what they were made of,
and I just like, I don't really want to eat.

Speaker 10 (14:42):
Okay, so you would eat like because I brought I
brought yeah, like a good elk dog.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (14:48):
I'm just not eating Oscar Meyer from all right.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Stop, I feel better.

Speaker 10 (14:54):
I don't like to judge young man, but I was
starting to get a little judgy.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
I was like, sure.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
About this guy, You're gonna eat the hot dogs.

Speaker 10 (15:02):
Matt light producers all going to tell you that, yeah,
they're good, but they are They're all natural. They are
natural casings, the whole nine made with love. But okay,
so on the statue, so you guys have obviously been
been up close and were you there for like the
whole unveiling was not okay, I wasn't either. We were
out of town. So I just I want to know

(15:23):
this much, right, So the most iconic thing, like if
I had to pick, I do like the the arm
up thing is kind of like it is him. I
wouldn't say it's like the first thing I would.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Have thought of, which is the first thing you would
have thought of.

Speaker 10 (15:38):
The double hand, although we used to call that the
lighthouse because the guys used to always make fun of
it was my only move I had. It was like
to throw both hands up, but Tommy did that quite
a bit, right, both hands up, you know, yes, and
then celebration. So the one arm, I mean maybe it
was just easier for the bronze guy to do the
one arm versus the two arm. I don't know the

(15:59):
problem I had right at the gate is it looks lonely,
like are we doing anything else around there? It's like
the base. He's kind of in that big concourse all
by himself. Yeah, right, I.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Think he needs a little squirrel next to him. That's
what I think.

Speaker 10 (16:12):
I was thinking, like Logan and I and Coping, since
we're local, we could go meet with the Brons guy.
We get a company and kind of get around and
make him feel a little bit more at home. You
guys should definitely get cast as well, you know, I
don't think that. Or we could just go stand there
and act like do we get a check? Let's probably not,
Probably not, probably not.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I'll still be there. How's camping going?

Speaker 3 (16:36):
It's been good.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
First camp, First NFL camp.

Speaker 9 (16:39):
It's a lot different. It's a lot longer than college.
Like college, you know, it's really only like two weeks
of practice and then you know you're in game week.
This is a little bit more long. But it's been great.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (16:51):
It's a lot different, uh in terms of like players
and playbook. It's just a lot more you know, information,
which is pretty cool. I enjoy that type of stuff.
But yeah, it's been great so far.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
What's been the biggest adjustment from college to pro ball.
Is it the size of the players that you're going
against or is it the speed of the game.

Speaker 9 (17:10):
I think it's just like the depth of the guys.
You know, like whenever you're in college and you know
the ones on the edge, you know, they go take
a blow. The guy coming in it really didn't matter
what school, he probably just wasn't even close. Do you
know the guy that was in there first, and you

(17:31):
know the guy that comes off the bench might do
something that you have more problems with than the first guy.
So I'd say that's the biggest thing. There's really not
a drop off no matter who is in or out
of the game.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, that's the truth.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
You know you played how many seasons again, eleven? Do
you have any advice for well going into Week one?

Speaker 10 (17:51):
Man, Well, I can say my Week one won't be
like your Week one because I got injured in camp
and I remember Bill was trying to put me a
right tackle, and then like literally the week leading up
to our season opener against Cincinnati on the road, He's like, hey, man,
you feel good enough to practice? And I'm like, I mean,
I think I think I can probably go now and

(18:12):
he's like, good, we're gonna put you back at left
and I'm like, oh my gosh, and he's like, can
just be ready to go? And then I was late
to my first meeting, so that that'd be my number
one bit of advice, don't be late because we're actually
playing in Cincinnati and my family like they literally there
was not a person in my hometown. I don't think,
like every church bus was rented, everything. They all come

(18:34):
down and it's like I thought he was going to play.
And Bill literally walked up to me the day of,
not not the night before when I missed the meeting,
the day of the game, and was like, i mean, look,
you know I you know I'm not I'm not starting
a guy that can't even make it to af A meeting.
And I'm like, okay, just keep yourself ready. Jesus walked

(18:56):
away and that was it.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
So did you start?

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I didn't start to put you in the game.

Speaker 10 (19:02):
Yeah, after I've been sitting cold as a duck on
the sideline. And then at halftime he's like, all right,
you're going, and I'm like, oh, I hate my life,
so you're gonna be way better.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
What made his You're.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Gonna you're in a way better situation.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, because you don't want to be sitting there and
then be ice cold and going in right after halftime.
But what made Bill make that decision? Like all right,
like like you go in now, offensive tackle and poll?
Whoever was the guy that was there right then? Was
he getting beat? Did he give up three sacks? What
was his reasoning? Like all right, let's go, let's get
light in there now.

Speaker 10 (19:34):
I think he just wanted to see you know how
I was going to handle the situation, be honest with you.
I mean he could have you know how Bill is
like once you make a mistake.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
He plays games with you to make sure you don't
make that mistake again.

Speaker 10 (19:44):
That's a fact, and he was sending a clear message.

Speaker 11 (19:46):
Now.

Speaker 10 (19:46):
I will say that I was only late to two
meetings in my life. Both of them were the night
before games. And fast forward a few weeks about midway
through the season my rookie year, I missed another team
meeting the night before the game, but this time I
was with the only other two left tackles or the
only other tackles on the team, so they couldn't He
was just like kind of forced to let us play.

Speaker 7 (20:07):
I get into basketball really.

Speaker 12 (20:11):
Fully, Like nineteen seventy nine, Lakers get Magic, nineteen eighty
win the championship. So we're the tripping eighty one lucky
shot by the Rockets win the championship. In eighty two,
eighty three, lose the championship because a few of our

(20:33):
players was hurt. Lost to the Sixers. So now we're
about to play the Celtics. My brother got this sick
ass look on his face. I'm like, why you look
like that?

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Your brother nine years got a lot of wisdom with.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
You, said, man, we can't beat them.

Speaker 12 (20:53):
I was like, what are you out your rabbid ass mine?
We got Magic Johnson and Kareem. We're gonna beat the
ship out these punks, he said, Man, I sat through
a lot of these I said, oh, he just he

(21:15):
remember he remember Lake is always losing to the Celtics,
and so we're getting.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
This game and they fucking lose. They lost, They lost
that shit.

Speaker 12 (21:28):
I was just this was the worst Finals that I
ever felt, was this loss right here in eighty four.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
But then you can get you jump in.

Speaker 7 (21:38):
But next year they won.

Speaker 12 (21:39):
Next year they won, But it ain't next year. Right here,
this is the first time we play in my kind
of in my lifetime, so to speak. And it's the
same old fucking song. You know, it's like Jerry West
and Elgin Baylor all over again.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah, but I mean, you guys won a couple of
years before, not against the Celtics.

Speaker 7 (22:04):
It was it was psychological.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
That is psychological warfare.

Speaker 7 (22:08):
It was it was, it was it was the worst.

Speaker 12 (22:11):
And it's seven games, because you know, you're right there,
I had one game better than that.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
So when did older brother come in and tell you
that before the series? Once, once they knew it was
the Lakers versus the Celtics, he said right away he knew,
just had that look on his face.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
And he knew that ruined. Did you were you thinking
about that the whole I.

Speaker 12 (22:33):
Was thinking, a't know what he was talking about. I
thought he was gonna beat him. And then old brother
was it was just.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
Like, yeah, he was right.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Olympics held in Los Angeles, You remember that.

Speaker 7 (22:42):
I remember that.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Did you go to the events?

Speaker 7 (22:45):
Nothing? I was broke.

Speaker 12 (22:47):
Yeah, I didn't go to ship. I would watching it
on TV. I don't really care. And you know, I
was in the hip hop, like hip hop was more
important than anything. So I was in confident all the time.
That's your brother right here, that's my brother. Is that
HIMJJ Man? He got ye, he got he got the

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he knows. He said a couple of things that we've
already said, Michael Michael. Jordan gets drafted third overall mariy
Lemue number one in hockey.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
What do you year for sports? Nineteen eighty four?

Speaker 7 (23:18):
This is this was an incredible year for light sports
for sure.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Now what do you remember Jordan when you were a kid?

Speaker 7 (23:26):
Amazing, Like you remember when he hit that shot?

Speaker 12 (23:29):
You know he hit the shot North Carolina, North Carolina
because we actually watching James Worthy that game. James Worthy
was actually the man, not Jordan, freshman. Worthy was a
senior and Jordan was a freshman. So we like, you know,
Worthy is the man. And it's a trip because after

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the game, we get Worthy and uh Lakers get Worthy
and you know Jordan, he just goes on this fucking
tear like not his It doesn't seem like after he
won the championship his first year, he was just kind
of dominant, but they didn't win the championship. But when

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he when he got out and was like doing the
Olympic trials. He was just killing ship, like, you know,
him being drafted third was it.

Speaker 7 (24:25):
Was ridiculous to me. Yeah, it was like he was
killing shit.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I know.

Speaker 12 (24:29):
They was all after the seven footers by then and
who went first? Elijah, I understand that. I understood saying
Perkins too. You know, he big coming off of n
c A championship run.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
You ever get to meet my MJ. Yeah, like like
early in early in the in the world when you
guys were jumping in hip hop and ship like, he's
kind of like the hip hop of fucking basketball.

Speaker 12 (25:00):
Yeah, if you think about it, I met him, you know,
probably like ninety seven.

Speaker 13 (25:07):
Yeah, at a at a Nike It was a Nike
Town event on Wiltshire and he was in there and
I said, what's up.

Speaker 7 (25:18):
M J said what's up?

Speaker 12 (25:20):
He said, uh, you know, I said, I told people
Friday was my favorite movie and that shit got me
in trouble. I get you in trouble. You know all
the weed y'all smoking in that damn movie. I was
like this shit. Fuddy said shit funny. I remember he

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s took my hand and shit felt like babyfoot or something.
It was put off as fuck, like like you ain't
never did it inch of work in your goddamn like
my daddy hands felt like she's grater. Your fucking hands
feel like a baby white.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Did you say anything to do?

Speaker 14 (26:01):
Nah?

Speaker 7 (26:01):
I just just clocked it. You know, you's six six,
so this ship.

Speaker 12 (26:05):
Was big and it just felt like a pillow grabbed
my hand. I said, damn, he did nothing but bounce
of basketball your whole fucking life.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
D thought to myself. I don't know why, but I
just thought.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
That MJ got soft hands.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
We got the can shoot. That motherfucker's so good. You
got them soft palls.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Dan probably like a yes, Dan, sweet, who is the
first cool athlete you met when you were coming up?

Speaker 7 (26:35):
H Muhammad Ali? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (26:39):
And we was years that man, this had to be
eighty eighty seven. We uh, it's a trip. We're coming
out of this place called Macola where we used to
get our records pressed though because we was independence and ruthless.

Speaker 7 (26:57):
We would go right there on Hollywood.

Speaker 12 (26:59):
It was Santa Monica, Sata Monica, and Vine all around there,
and we've been there. We're just walking out, walking out
of there and ship and we saw fucking Muhammad Ali
crossing the street by itself.

Speaker 7 (27:19):
What's up. Man, it's like, how y'all doing?

Speaker 12 (27:22):
You know, we make we make records and ship and
he's doing positive things.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
Man, you know, boom boom boom, and he had to
keep it moving.

Speaker 12 (27:31):
I was like, damn this chant, like this is the
greatest of all time right here.

Speaker 7 (27:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (27:38):
He bigger than myself too. He was a big dude,
like by himself, by itself.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Laura, did he have aura?

Speaker 7 (27:45):
He had a or? Yeah, he had an or to him.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Charming huh probably charming as fuck.

Speaker 12 (27:52):
Yeah, you know, it was all love. It was like
seeing one of your uncles and ship, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 7 (27:57):
It was just.

Speaker 12 (27:59):
All it was. He was as great as you would
think he would be to a stranger.

Speaker 14 (28:04):
You know.

Speaker 12 (28:05):
Hell yeah, to a couple of strangers because we was
all you know what I mean, we was groupie the
fuck out.

Speaker 14 (28:11):
You know.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
It was Nick.

Speaker 12 (28:12):
It's the chance lucky we let him leave and shit,
he's like man asking him all kind of questions and ship.
You guys are young too, yeah, we you know, sixteen
seventeen eighteen.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
And he's the goat.

Speaker 7 (28:27):
He the man. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Can you explain to me the relationship between hip hop
and sports?

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (28:36):
Man? Hip hop like sports.

Speaker 12 (28:42):
Without music, it's just a game. That's how I can
explain it. The music makes it all magical.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
You know.

Speaker 12 (28:54):
Even seeing y'all highlights with the music, it feels like it's, uh,
you know, kind of in concert with each other. You know,
it's a movie. Yeah, it's it's it's the soundtrack of
the you know, other than you guys breathing and grunting

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and running and you know, and and all the sounds
of the game. But to add that music to it,
it turns in like into portry in motion.

Speaker 7 (29:25):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
So, I think it's inspirational too. It is, you know,
motiv motivation. Everyone's got a pregame list. Yeah, you know
what I mean, everyone's got something that helps them focused.

Speaker 12 (29:39):
And somebody playing like some pregame soft ship. You're looking
at them crazy, like, man, that's what you get hyped
up on. You know what I mean, Shawley, you know
what I'm saying. So you want to you want to
hear that rough ship?

Speaker 7 (29:51):
You ready to go?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I would.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
So this is how I used to do it. My
pregame mix used to be real hard, real high energy. Yeah,
But as I got older, I got into movie music,
like instrumentals. Yeah, so I could focus and visualize what
I was going to do on the field. So I

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listened to some fucking Hollms Zimmer fucking Inception fucking soundtrack
and shit, and like put myself like I was like
in it.

Speaker 7 (30:21):
Feel you you know what I mean.

Speaker 12 (30:22):
That's that's smart because that is situational music.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Because sometimes I can get too involved in the lyric
and so then I'm thinking about the lyric, but I
want to make my own lyric.

Speaker 12 (30:34):
And you can also burn out too too quick, like
get too hyped, and you know you did by the
third quarter, Like it's not a sprint. You're ready to
stop playing football.

Speaker 7 (30:49):
You know.

Speaker 12 (30:50):
It's like, you know, had your feel of the day.
You want to well make sure you're not too giving
up too much energy before the game went.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
What was the first time you met Tom?

Speaker 2 (31:04):
The first time I met Tom was actually what was
pretty wild when I was at the University of Arizona.
You know, I was doing my interview. I had a
couple of touchdowns that game. I was showing off my
touchdown celebrations and then.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
The lady interviewing me.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
She's like, who do you see being your quarterback in
the NFL? And obviously, right, on the spot, I go,
Tom Brady would be the best quarterback to have in
the NFL, and especially a great fit for me. And
that was just the answer, you know. And then I
did my touchdown dances and all that, and then what happens.
I get drafted to the Patriots and Tom Brady becomes

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my quarterback in the NFL. It was like I manifested
it when I was in college. I manifested a lot
of things. And if you ask Tom, Tom's probably really
big into manifesting it manifest He manifested all his Super
Bowls because right after he won a Super Bowl, he
would already have a clock coming down to the next next,
So he was manifesting like crazy. You just learned so
much knowledge from him, and he's done so many things

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right to be able to get to, uh you know,
nature of where he is now. It wasn't like he
just had the athletic ability. He showed up. He did
everything right and he put the time in that You
can never argue against.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Him, can't.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
You can't be So let's get let's get back to
what was I talking about again?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I don't know, I just got, Yeah, I got.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
The first time I met him It was in the
training room. I was getting my ankles taped and he
walked in. So I was there already for the rookie camps,
the rookie practices, and he just walks up to me.
He goes, hey, Rob, I'm Tom Brady. And I was like,
oh wow, this guy already knows my name. I mean,
that's also what makes him so great as well, is
that he already knows all the rookies names, all the

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guys that were drafted, what rounds they were drafted in,
what type of player they already were, because he wants
to know, you know, their athletic ability, you know what
type of guy they are, so he can understand them
so he can be on the same page as that
so he can get the best out of them as well,
like you said, and he could have that connections to
help win games, so he can be on the same
you know, wavelength. That's so he already knew my name,

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came up to me, and I just thought it was
the coolest thing. Man.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
I just said, hey, man, nice to meet you. It
was just super quick.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
He left. What did you think in your head?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
And Tom Brady knew my name And that was the
greatest honor to shake his hand while getting my ankles taped.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
And then he goes wins four super Bowls with them.
That's crazy. I had a similar story.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, what was it like when you met him? What
was that story?

Speaker 4 (33:30):
I was going from, like you said, we were already
in there. When you're a rookie, you get in there before.
Back in our day, you get in there before the
vets reported, and so you'd be there for like three weeks,
did rookie camp and learning installations of everything. And so
I had a big book. We all had these books.
It was like a five inch Remember those old dole binders.

(33:52):
Before we had iPads, we used to have big old binders.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I didn't like carrying them around. I left mine in
my locker when I went home. Yeah, even though you
were to bring it home to study, I was like,
I ain't carrying that binder.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I used to carry it, You did I do? I
was just trying to make.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
So I'm over here getting five minutes before the special
Teams meeting. It's true, and I'm running through and the
vets came in. And I saw the vets coming because
I saw wel in the in the cafeteria didn't say
a word to me.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I was, but I wanted to big time a little bit.
I had a leather jacket and he looks cool.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
He looks like when you guys big time each other,
it's entertainment for me.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
All right back the time though, And so I knew
they were in but I was going to my meeting
and he walks through the door, you know, the entrance
of the locker room from the hall. He walks in
there and he goes, I like, look at him. I
dropped my book. I'm like, oh.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Shit, this is taller than I thought. And he goes, hey,
I'm Tom. I go Jules.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
He goes, I know we have the same agent. Dragon's
my agent too, or something something like that. And I
was like, nice to meet you, and you could I
felt the same way you felt, like, damn, he knew
my name. That's fucking crazy. But he knew that he
knew everyone's name, and he made everyone feel special and
that that was part of his leadership skill, you know,
like what made him such an unbelievable leader, from the

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meal ladies to you know, the people in the equipment room,
the training staff, like it didn't matter what was going on,
how the day went. He was always a pretty cool
dude to everyone, and everyone was always watching him, you
know what I mean. And that's when you're the quarterback
of the team, Everyone no matter what is going on

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in your life, is watching that person and to see
how they react to everything, the success, the failure. Your
eyes go to that guy, you know, And he was
the perfect guy for us, especially when we were young
knuckleheads to look at, like, all right, this is how
you have to do. I tell the story because you
know everything that's going on Randy Moss. Our thoughts and

(35:59):
prayers are with him him. But I always tell the
story that he used to call you fucking coach the
day you came in and we had to we had
to announce our names in front of the whole team.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 11 (36:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (36:12):
Oh I remember. Can you tell me explain that? So
I get drafted by the Patriots. It's two thousand and nine,
Randy's coming off like this unbelievable tires. Yeah, he's been
crushing it, and you know it's it's a little bit
before the veterans start coming around the building. But when

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when we have OTAs, we have the mini camps and
things like that, you know, Randy's in the locker room,
and I remember it. It came in waves, and I'm
sure you felt the same way. It's like, oh my god,
that's Tom Brady. Yeah, it's like, oh my god, that's
Randy Moss. Like you're playing with these guys now. But slowly,
but surely, it starts to feel more normal. You know,
you start to realize, ah, these are just my buddies.

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We're playing football. It's all the same as it was
in college or high school. But there was this weird thing.
He gave me this nickname, and it happened immediately. I
have no idea why, because we barely spoke to each
other outside of passing by each other in the hallway
or outside the meeting rooms.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Are on the.

Speaker 15 (37:09):
Football field, you know, we're on our way to the
football field. You'd be like, hey, what's up, coach? He
called me coach, So Randy would call me coach everywhere,
you know, we'd be waiting and like he's like, oh yeah, coach, Yeah,
I know you're gonna get on this pot Roads because
you look like Pot Roads coach, and you big fat fucker.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I bet you.

Speaker 15 (37:25):
Oh, you're gonna have two pieces of pot Roads. Yeah,
I bet you bet. You know what hap three hop three?
You know, you know Randy with the West Virginia. And
so I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm like maybe like
maybe it's like I'm in man, Like he gave me
a nickname. Like I'm telling people from back home, like
Randy Mosk gave me a nickname. He really likes me.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
That's what I'm telling you that. It was so cool
that he had a fucking nickname. He was so funny
he had a nickname.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (37:48):
Like immediately I was like, this is the best. And
then we was its standard. It's customary Bill Belichick. At
one point or another in the offseason, he has all
the rookie is get in front of the room and
say their name, who they are, whatever it was. And
so I get up there and I can't remember if
it was in the meeting or immediately after, but Randy

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Moss pulls me aside and he goes, motherfucker, you a player.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
He goes, you you've been a player this whole time.
I think he was from the whole tame you gray
haired bitch. I thought you was a coach. He was like,
you a player?

Speaker 15 (38:24):
Oh hell no, Bill DoD we waste a draft pick
on this motherfucker?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 7 (38:29):
This great?

Speaker 16 (38:30):
He was gonna go out there and break a hip.
God damn Bill, And I'm just like, oh my god,
that was not a nickname. It was not a nickname.
He thought it was a fucking coach. He thought he
was a coach. How unbelievably embarrassing. I mean I told everybody.
I was like, yeah, Randy really likes me. It's going

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pretty well.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
Gang.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Yeah, yeah, Now, how does Dante Scarnakio have you and
Matt Light in a meeting? And how did just can
you explain the dynamic in a in a quiet logan? Mankins, Yeah,
I want to hear how it was from your rookie perspective.

Speaker 15 (39:10):
So I walk into the room and Matt Light is
a Pro Bowl offensive tackle. I mean just he was
like Batman Like, you know, you'd be like, gosh, you know,
how are you gonna they gotta change this light bulb
and all of a sudden, you take something off the
bat belt. They'd be like, and you'd like, unscrew the
light bulb. Andy'd be like, you know what would be funny?
You know, it would be funny if we replace it

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with a firecracker this way when they walk in and
smoked it chet. You know, he always had like a
prank you want to play. I'm just like, Matt, what
the fuck? But he always had all these toys and
these gadgets and these things, and he always had ideas.
He's a big idea guy. The idea guy love being
around people like that. So Matt's in the room. You
have Logan Mankins, who's this Central Valley California shit kicker

(39:52):
farmer who is just roughing dudes up on the regular.
Literally could grab like a three hundred pound defensive time,
up end him, stick him in a trash can kick
it over down a hill like it's nothing to him.
He had the strongest goddamn hands, huge I've ever shaken in.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
My entire life. He was wrapped around your wrists. Dude.

Speaker 15 (40:13):
Yeah, you shake his hand, you're getting an album. Yeah,
it is ridiculous. So Logan's there. He's a pro bowler
Hall of Fame. He better be in the Hall of
Fame one day. He's incredible. Steve Neil, Steve Neil wrestler, wrestler.
They found him. He was like a freestyle world champion, wrestler.
And then I think it was Philly's practice Philly signed

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him first, he was on practice squad, got cut, signed
by the Patriots or whatever. But he ends up working
his way to starting offensive linemen in the league. Played
ten years, eleven years, whatever it was, won three Super Bowls,
like incredible human being, like the nicest guy you ever met.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Loved four locos loved him, dude.

Speaker 15 (40:53):
And did you ever go on a taco run with
the four locos with Steve a little place in paw Tucket, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (41:00):
Dude, I can't, dude.

Speaker 15 (41:01):
It was that place actually served great taco mobile home,
so Steve.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Was there in that room. Oh, Dan Copen, Cope, Cope,
the best.

Speaker 15 (41:14):
Dan Copen I never without a dip in his lip
and uh, and was just so snarky and he had
this nasally voice and be.

Speaker 17 (41:21):
Like fucking Ornberger class clown over here, who wen't see
if he makes it kind of guy. But I love Dan.
I learned a lot from Dan. Like Dan was the
type of guy.

Speaker 15 (41:32):
Who would like bully a bully a bullya and then
he would teach you like the lesson you needed.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
It would like.

Speaker 15 (41:38):
Unlock something in your brain. You'd be like, holy shit,
that's how you see this? You know whatever? It is
a line call, an adjustment on a play. He was
just a brilliant dude. And then I'm trying to think
if you remember Donald, Oh Donald, are you around with Donald?

Speaker 7 (41:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (41:53):
Well we crossed Donald Thomas for like only an off
season because they.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Put a lot. Matt put a real duck in his
locker after practice. Oh didn't he do this for like
a year?

Speaker 7 (42:04):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (42:04):
And he was. He had ducks show up in different
parts of his life for a year. Yes.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
That. And then another weird story was nobody a pet duck.
Nobody knew where the ducks were coming out by the way. No,
like he would find him in his helmet. He would
like be putting his helmet.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
He was like another dock. Like it was a problem
for Donald. It was a problem. In honor of.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
This awesome college matchup, Rob and I are gonna take
a little trip down memory lane and.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Relive our glory college days.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Oh back to school, back to school to proof to
my mama, I ain't no fool.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Is that Billy Madison something like that? Back to school
because I'm not a fool.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
I'm no food.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Let's go down memory lane of our college, Like why
you why did you choose Arizona.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
You know, that's a great question. And everyone asked me
that because I'm from Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
New York.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
I actually played my senior year actually in Pittsburgh at
Woodland Hills, but I'm technically am I claimed myself in Buffalo, obviously.
I grew up there for seventeen years. So my dad's
in the business world of selling fitness equipment commercially in retail,
and he goes on those conventions, you know, those business trips,
and he met a friend there that did the same

(43:25):
exact thing that he does in Arizona. And that guy
was an Arizona Alemni, you know, part of the desert
storm defense.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
And all that. And when we were growing up, he
became my dad's good friend.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
And every time they went on these you know, business trips,
I always met up I was growing up. We were
just kids. So he was in my dad's here. Hey
when your kid's biggest.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Wildcat Aleemni loves the wildcause.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Hey, when your kids grow up, they got to take
a trip to University of Arizona. And this guy became
really good friends with my dad. So you got to
bring him the University of Arizona. So then my older
brothers they were getting recruited, they weren't.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
At a high level. So whatever you can do.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
You got to call up a friend, can you, you know,
have this coach look at my son. So I actually
went on the trip. So I just tagged along when
I was a sophomore in high school, just to see
what it was like.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
And I got on.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
A busy trip.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, and I got to the campus. I was like, God,
damn man, what kind of school is this? I mean
they got pools, they got palm trees. I mean it's
sunny every single day, it's ninety degrees. And that's when
I first fell in love with the University of Arizona.
So shout out to Donnie Salem. He's still doing the
same thing. He's still in the fitness world, selling fitness equipment,
retail and commercially. He's actually a sponsor. He sponsors the

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Denver Broncos because he's based out of Denver now. So
without Donnie, I would have never been at the University
of Arizona.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Freaking Donnie. I went to Kent State.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, yeah, why did you pick Ken State? Jules at
Kent State, Like, you're from the Bay Area. Kent State's
in Ohio. I mean, I think they do Halloween really
well in Ohio. But I don't think you were into
things like that when you were a kid. So why
did you pick Kent State? I picked Kent State.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
I went Mike Golden in high schools. I just wanted
to play Division one quarterback D one, didn't matter where.
I just wanted to go D one. I really wanted
to go to play in the Pac Ten. I wanted
to go to Berkeley because that's where I was from
that area, and Aaron Rodgers went to Butte and I
went to Juco and he went to Berkeley after so
I kind of like wanted to go to Berkeley. Played

(45:20):
one year at Juco, lit it up, and then all
these schools started to ask him, you know, sending me letters,
and Kent sent me out and offered me a scholarship
after my first year, and a lot of these schools
wanted me to change positions. Kent's like, we'll let you
compete for our quarterback right now. I took a trip
out there, and I had the opposite thing of what

(45:41):
you had of like, oh, palm trees.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I was like, man, it's freezing out here. There's no leaves.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
I was coming from California, where it's never really fall
out here, you know what I mean, and it was.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Like, bear, it was cold. I went to a spring practice.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
And I was like, fuck it, man, if I go here,
I could play. I could play right away. I watched
their practices and I was like, I'm going here.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Fuck it. The best thing to happened.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
I'm mad up playing the cold h kn' state going
flashes baby, let's go shout out, casey.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Did you have any other offers?

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Not after that one, not yet. No, just Kent State.
Just Kent State, so.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
You're going there no matter what Kent State.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Well, I still had another Juco. I had another jus.
Oh you could have played Juco. I had one more
your Juco, but you were paying for Juco right, Yeah,
but it's like five hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
So what's five hundred dollars you didn't have You would
have had to take out a loan or a free ride.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah, five hundred dollars a month from the school.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
My pops took care of that one.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
That's a good pops right there.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Shout out too. Did you have any other offers.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, I had a couple other ones. My top four
was Ohio State, Clemson, Syracuse because it was right down
the street, about three hours away from Buffalo and Arizona.
So those were my top four schools. And I had
actually had the wildest recruiting visit to the University of Clemson.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
I had one of the best times. I mean, shout out.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
To my host I don't even know their names out there,
but they're probably telling the story to this day still
of those guys that were on the team that hosted
me at the University of.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
What's this story?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
I mean, I remember I was on a bar, I
was dancing, and then like I do, there was Cheerleider's
there and I was just just going ham like I
usually go ham like that's all I wanted to do,
like hammered off, like apple juice. I'm talking, yeah, Apple juice,
hammered and it was great time. I had a voicemail
after I picked the University of Arizona, like some girl
that night, I guess I gave my number two, like

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literally left the voicemail on my phone after I picked
the wildcast was like basically just told me how bad
I messed up.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
With my decision.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, I'm not going to exactly say what the voicemail was,
but I was like, this is incredible.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
I thought I was so cool.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Ohio State was awesome right there.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I was. I was hung over off apple juice there too,
and that picture that went viral when I was in
high school and took a visit there. I was definitely,
you know, a little apple juice. And I was at
the game. Let me tell you, Ohio State Clemson. You
can't beat their facilities, you can't beat their organization, you
can't beat the crowd, you can't beat their stadiums.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
But it just wasn't my fit.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
And if you know me personally, I'm not a guy
that can get intrigued by that type of stuff. I'm
a guy that sticks to my roots. The University of
Arizona was where I belonged, you know, I fell at
home there. I felt like I could go there and
play right away. And also at the same time, I knew,
if you did well enough it was Division one, you're
gonna go to the NFL. Like there's guys going to
the NFL at Arizona. So I was like, I can

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get to the NFL still, so.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
It wasn't like.

Speaker 7 (48:27):
D one.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I wanted to, you know, be part of a team
that turned it a rolly like coach Duops Ohio State.

Speaker 14 (48:32):
Though.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
I mean, I was blown away about everything.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
But at the same time, I was like, I can
have all this if I make it to the NFL.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
And you did, yeah, and I did. Did you almost
get kicked out of Arizona at all?

Speaker 3 (48:42):
I never really have.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
I mean, we got in a couple of big fights
that was probably I would probably say that was the
closest to getting kicked, you know, off the team. But
there was a big, huge fight. There was like ten
guys involved. Like I got brought in like three days
later by the police officer that was investigating it, and
he was actually on our side. And lately, I didn't
even like open my mouth. I didn't tattle tell on anyone.

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I don't even know what fight you're talking about. And
he's like, no, I'm here for you. I'm on your guys' side.
But still I'm like, I I don't know, man, I
was just walking by, and I don't really remember much.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Krunk no rat, Yeah, no rat, no rat.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Stick to the roots. Arizona was where it was at
other schools were great, beautiful, nothing bad to say. Just
I belonged, you know, at the University of Arizona, and.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
I belonged to Kent State. You did belong to ken
and I loved Kent State.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
It opened up my perspective to the country, you know,
I mean, it was a great The people the Midwest
and Ohio Northeast Ohio are such awesome people.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
They love football out there.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
I was just always disappointed because I went to Kent
State and everyone would leave our game to go watch
the Ohio State game. Like we had no fans if
Ohio State had a game during the same time. People
at our school, at every school in Ohio love Ohio State.
I didn't realize how big it was because you know,
I grew up in the Bay Area where you know,

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we had Colin Stanford, but it was really a pro
sport area. We had Niners, Giants, Warriors, Sharks early in
my life, you know, came in there and Colin Stanford
were big, but it wasn't huge. And I didn't realize
how big college football was until I went to Ohio
and I saw how big Ohio.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
State and that fan group was. It was freaking crazy
to me.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Here's a question.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
I've always wondered this because Ohio State's so big. They
get one hundred, like ten thousand plus people a game,
and you're you know, you went to school in Ohio
at Kent State. Is Ohio State the football program out
of all football programs at any level in the state
of Ohio. Does it dominate the Cincinnati bank that does
to dominate.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
The Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yes, if you're in Ohio, you grow up in Ohio,
it's all about the Buckeyes.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Or is it about the Browns or the Bengals?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
More Buckeyes Number one guarantee.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
You could go anywhere in the state, like you go
down to like Cincinnati, and you can see this in
like gas stations, or you go to like cracker barrels
that are all over they'll always have Ohio State shit.
They're selling Ohio State mugs. This that you go to
like the West Virginia part of Ohio where it touches
down there, you see nothing but Ohio State. You go

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up to Dayton, which is a different area like near
Indiana and stuff, they love Ohio. They love Ohio State
everywhere in Ohio. I couldn't I didn't understand it.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
It's huge. Did you ever host any recruiting trips with
any other NFL guys?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
No, not really, So when I was at the University
of Arizona, they didn't allow me to host anyone.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Why.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, I hosted one player and we got chased by
a helicopter.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
No, you didn't, I swear. What do you mean you
got chased by a fucking helicopter.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
We got chased by a helicopter. I hit under a
car and this recruit was running around with me. It
was a top Juko recruit.

Speaker 7 (51:58):
I thought.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
I thought I definitely sold him. I thought he's definitely
coming to the University of Areona.

Speaker 17 (52:04):
He didn't.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
No, he ended up going to Arizona State.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Never seen him again until he goes Arizona State, and
I was like, I thought he was definitely gonna choose
the University of Arizona. And then and then I'm on
the Patriots, like twenty sixteen or something, what year exactly.
We signed some guy in the practice squad mid season alignment.
He comes up to me, He's like, yo, grac remember me,

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and like, you know, back of my mind, I'm like
I do, but I don't because I'd never seen him again.
He left after that night, he was gone and chose
Arizona State, Big time crew. He's like, yeah, you hosted
me at the University of Arizona, and then everything just
started clicking and I was like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
I was like, how you doing.

Speaker 14 (52:45):
How you doing.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
He's like, I will remember that night for rest of
my life. But I can't believe he went to go
be a devil.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Yeah, I mean he can't be.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
He can't sit foot in Tucson anymore because he didn
Helicopter Jason. Any Arizona State message should story off that
hangover was.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Basically, we were at a party and got broken up,
and there was always a helicopter that broke it up
and everyone started running, and just the priminent premises of
the of the story is the helicopter followed us.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
So then that was like the.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Two biggest guys. This guy's a life, but we got away.
We got away, Scott free to.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Help my skills, help my football skills on the field.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
If you can get away from a helicopter, you can
get away from a defender.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
You got one bone to pick though, oh hear this
one now, can you at least confess that Bill is
way softer on fucking defensive guys than offensive guys.

Speaker 18 (53:40):
And you want to know how I know because he
would come up and ask us questions, Like on Wednesdays,
he'd always he'd always test us, right, he'd always test us,
both offense and defense in front of each other.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
He'd look over at me and I mean, what what
coverage is this?

Speaker 7 (53:53):
And this this?

Speaker 1 (53:54):
He'd look over at V. Hey, V, what color is
the team we're playing? That's not true, I don't think.

Speaker 19 (54:03):
But see we thought, because you got to understand, Bill
used to come into our meetings. When he leaves squad
and all that, he would come in there with us
and grill us.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
So our question answering.

Speaker 19 (54:16):
He might not give it to us all in a
team meeting, but he'll leave that meeting when we break
up an individual, he'll come in there and grill us
with questions, Hey.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Big V, we're playing Derrick Henry this year? Is this
a run or paste.

Speaker 7 (54:31):
Shit?

Speaker 11 (54:32):
Like?

Speaker 1 (54:32):
I'm not even joking, bro, I'm sitting there. They're asking
us scheme this, this, this? They're like, hey, is this
chief coach like to throw it or run it?

Speaker 19 (54:40):
I'll tell you what The first I'll tell your funny
story with Bill and me. Right, So my rookie year,
we I think we we in Manning councilor something like that,
and he's asking questions and I mean he going around
and he's asking like layup questions.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Right.

Speaker 19 (54:57):
So he get to me, He say, Vince, what is
memorial today? So I'm like, man, I don't know if
it's a trick question or not. So I was like, barbecue.
He said, know you a whole?

Speaker 1 (55:12):
What answer it? I'm like, that's what we do, barbecue.

Speaker 11 (55:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
When I tell you, Bill couldn't do nothing but laugh.

Speaker 19 (55:19):
He could do it because I'm like, what do you
ask me? I'm like, it's a trick question. What are
you asking me? So he went on to tell everybody
about memory. Then I'm like, hey man, I'm like, be
a coach. I thought you was asking me what what
we do on memorial?

Speaker 14 (55:31):
He said, nah, I.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Know you asked whole I'm talking about that that.

Speaker 19 (55:35):
I'm like, my bad. That was my first question from Bill.
And that's how I answered it.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
The first question and he and he had a little
jolly smile. That was oh, I asked, so you guys
gotta get out of here. No, no.

Speaker 19 (55:51):
When he used to ask Grunk question, we would laugh.
If Grunk knew it, it didn't know, we would laugh and
he would laugh so like. But I truly believe with Bill,
and when it came to me, I can truly think that.
I think Bill was testing me early on in my

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career on my knowledge of the game. I really was,
and I appreciate him so much for doing that because
he taught me so much about football in the game itself.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
You know.

Speaker 19 (56:25):
A lot of questions that he would You gotta understand.
When I was a rookie, our defensive line, we was
in charge of knowing quarterback pivots, the route, tree blocking schemes,
cadence motions. We had to know all of that, which.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Gives you an advantage because if you know the concepts,
you know that the quarterbacks got to get the ball
like yes, which a lot of it's crazy to me
that teams don't do that.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
That's but Bill stopped.

Speaker 19 (56:55):
I think we were the last class that came in
that he did that too. But I think looking back now,
I think he was just basically trying to see how
smart in my football IQ was because in Bill my
Bill is thinking three four steps ahead. He's like, let
me see, I'm ann test and see what he knows.
And I proved to him that I know the game

(57:17):
of football, you know, And I think that allowed us
to do a lot defensively, scheme wise, with me knowing
what's going on, not only from a defensive line standpoint,
but you know, the back end from the defense and
offensively what they're trying to create, and Bill through formations
and this and that. So it was like a not

(57:38):
only we had, you know, the secondary, but if it
was Rottney or if it was deaf with the calls,
you know, we had our linebackers with the calls. Now
he have trust that, Okay, I know Vince will be
able to get calls out, get us lined up up front,
and it allowed us to play so much faster as
a defense. And you know, I credit all of that

(57:59):
to Bill because how he taught me the game. I
thought I knew the game, but you know, sitting down
and having a conversation with him, You're know right away
like I don't know much about what I think I do,
So I you know, I always think on because he
meant a lot to me, not only in my personal

(58:19):
life and the friendship we have and we built over
the years. But as a coach, what he was allowed
to coach and teach me, that's why I became the
player I became, and that's why I moved from nose
tackle to a defensive tackle to in and then I
can flop to go to this side.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
So I didn't do.

Speaker 19 (58:39):
I didn't play a nose tradition like any other two
gap nose because Bill had the luxury of moving moving
me in different positions, and I can produce at those positions.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
So it just allowed us as a team.

Speaker 19 (58:52):
In defense to manipulate a lot of play calling from
my offense and start standing the point, you know, because
they never knew where I was going to be, you know.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
And a lot of it is common sense though that
which is all right, take best defensive alignment, put him
on worse offensive alignment, maybe not be in traditional spot,
but that's weakness and then you win, you know what
I mean, Like, oh yeah, but like that's it's crazy.
Like I watch a lot of these defenses and I'm like,
are we we?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I guess we're just that much smarter.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Because I was out, I'm sitting here and I was
talking to Antonio Gates. We did a show together, and
he doesn't realize that I was in seventh grade when
he was talking about the game that right he was playing.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
I'm like, I wasn't in this game.

Speaker 18 (59:36):
But the whole time he keeps on talking to me,
how the fuck we lose these pages?

Speaker 4 (59:41):
And it hints to me like it's because we were,
like what you're talking about, we were the smartest football team.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
By by far. Yeah, yeah we were.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
We always were, you know what I mean, Like, it
wasn't just know your position, you knew the rhyman reason
why you were doing what you were doing.

Speaker 19 (59:54):
Yeah, it's a lot of times I lined up and
I knew we had teams where first player of the game,
I'm lined up somewhere opposite in their nose because office
line would said, you know, I got a lot of
old crap. Didn't realize I was going to be over there.
So now I know, Okay, now I'm playing with your
scheme because everything you prepared for it's not it. So

(01:00:15):
now you have to go back to the drawing board
and you have to figure out, Okay, where event's going
to be, what they're gonna be playing. We thought he
was gonna be this but now. But yeah, I remember,
like a lot of office linemen like, oh, crap, you
over here, what you're doing over here? Yeah, the screw
you'll play up, simple as that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Now, a guy you played with on those defenses is
now the head coach of the New England Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Mike Rabel. Love it? What are your thoughts on that?
I love it, you know.

Speaker 19 (01:00:43):
And the thing is I had the luxury to be
a player with Mike, and in Houston he was a
linebackers coach, so coach for Mike, I mean played for Mike,
and I always knew since the time that our plan
days that he was going to be a head coach.
I always knew that. I mean, he was a coach,
like no doubt in my mind that was going to happen.

(01:01:03):
And I love that move because he's going to get
the best out of everybody. And he's very smart when
it comes to the game of football. He knows exactly
what he's doing, He know how to he know how
he wanted to deliver messages. He's outspoken. If he believes something,
he believe in it. If he don't like something, he'll

(01:01:25):
tell you. I mean, he will speak his mind. But
at the same time, the respect that he receives is
because what he poured out. So I think we're in
good hands with Mike. I really do believe we're going
to do We're going to do some wonders this year.
I mean, we're going to sell a different football team
this year. And I'm expecting for us to shock a
lot of people, you know, just because of I know

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Mike as a person and a player and the coach.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
I've already known him, you know, I know it.

Speaker 19 (01:01:53):
And they spend money, Yeah, they gonna spend guess what
he ain't for the hottest hand. If he he want somebody,
he's gonna let me know we need this player. I
don't want him, we need him. He'll tell him, you know.
And and that's what I love about him. He's a
he's a players coach. But at the same time, he's disciplined.
He's going to have a smart football team, not gonna
make a lot of dumb mistakes. And they're gonna play

(01:02:15):
hard for him. They're gonna play hard for him. So
I'm excited about it. I'm happy that, you know, we
diget Mike. You know, if that was the choice, I
love that we went and grabbed him because I think
he'll do wonders for us.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
Yeah, you think these teams are gonna look more like
our old teams?

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Yeah, in some capacity.

Speaker 7 (01:02:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:02:32):
I think one of the main things we're gonna get
is the competitiveness and aggressive play, I think, and a
smart team.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:02:40):
So you're gonna see we're gonna look we're gonna look apart.
We're going to look like we know what we're doing.
You know, the past four or five years, we didn't
look like that. We were we you know, the past
four or five years, you know what we look like.
We looked like teams we used to talk about, like
how can how you do that? That's how we used
to look. I don't think we'll look like. We're going

(01:03:02):
to be coached very very well and hard and we're
going to play hard.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
What's what's the difference between Raves as a coach and
a player? Really nothing, really nothing nothing. That's why when
I played with him, he's the same guy as a coach.
Then when I played with him, you got to understand.
I've seen Ray him and Tom Brady go at it
on the sideline or practicing. You know, I've seen brave

(01:03:27):
Raves walking out a quarterbacks meeting with Tom. I've seen
Rave and Tom walking down the hallway with a playbook
talking about this. I've seen Ray and Tom talking about
scheme I saw and I heard Ray tell Tom that
would never work against this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
I've seen it.

Speaker 19 (01:03:44):
Like so the respect Tom gave him for input in
what he was trying to do, that tells you everything.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
What was the worst thing you ever heard Coach Frable
say to Tom?

Speaker 19 (01:03:55):
I mean it got afe you that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:04:02):
F bombs was always a part of it. He didn't
care who you a bill get F bombs.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Brave man.

Speaker 19 (01:04:07):
Look at when when I tell you, when Mike believe
in something, he gonna stand firm in it, and he's
gonna tell you why.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Now that's what I love about it. Was he a
smart shit talker? Yeah he was. Yeah, so he like
pulls something out of the cuddies.

Speaker 19 (01:04:21):
I've been on the field where the call come in
and Ray, He'll shake your head, that's not gonna work.
I've been in the huddle with him or when we
in the meeting room, that's not gonna work. And he'll
tell you why. He was so smart as a players.
It was just you would never believe that he was

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a linebacker. The way he saw the game, he saw
it as a head coach scenario situation.

Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
He's seen it as a head coach as a player.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Now, this just popped it in my head.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Do you think Bill liked Rabel more than you because
he let him play offense and gave him a touchdown?

Speaker 19 (01:04:56):
Look here, that's one thing I regret with Bill, Like,
come on, Bill like, And the craziest thing is but
the thing is he did more.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
He let seymore line up in the backfield.

Speaker 19 (01:05:05):
So I'm like, man, listen, no, no shade towards anybody,
but I was the best. I was the best athlete
on the on the defense, hands down, tell them straight up.
I returned kicks in high school. I kicked the ball
in high school.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
I did.

Speaker 19 (01:05:19):
I played every position you could possibly name on on
the field. One one position I would never play its center,
but I tried it and I hated it. But I
played every position like I played basketball. I dunked basketball.
I did all of that. I was the greatest poundful
pound athletes on the pages. I mean, Jamie Collins pretty tight.

(01:05:40):
But listen, here a guy in my side to do
what I did we're not for to play this. I
played lineback, I dropped dropped in cover like I could
do all of that, and you could dance. I could
dance like a ballerina.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I could dance. My footwork was good, and you could
you could move like a ballerina.

Speaker 19 (01:05:57):
So for me not to be on the offensive side
of the ball when I see a lot of guys
not just from us, but other teams, you know, putting
their guys in the background that you know, have some
athleticism to them. You know, that was kind of bombed
out for me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
Now would that be a perfect moment to use if Bill,
you saw Bill, mother fox.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Oh I hit him with that? Well, yeah, you motherfuck you.

Speaker 19 (01:06:20):
Remember when it was Matt Castle and Tom going back
and forth, Oh my god, what happened?

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
They was going back and forth pranking each other.

Speaker 19 (01:06:30):
So so I think Matt philed Tom Carve for all
of these.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Little bubbles peanuts.

Speaker 15 (01:06:37):
So Tom took his tires and hit him everywhere and
hit him like so he had three tires and still
was looking for one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
It was in the bubble. So Bill finally like, look.

Speaker 7 (01:06:47):
Guys, she stopped screwing around.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Yeah, you plead too much?

Speaker 19 (01:06:51):
Playing it's kidding out of the trip, just kidd So
Bill had to put a stop to it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Man, it was going for weeks.

Speaker 7 (01:06:59):
It was going, dude, they were.

Speaker 19 (01:07:00):
I mean, I'm like, dude when I was When I
tell you, some of my most funniest times in life
is on a football fielding in the locker room. So
people always ask me, do you miss the game? I like, no,
you know, I missed my teammates in the locker room
and the fans. That's what I miss. I don't miss
the game itself. I missed the camaraderie just hanging out

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in the locker room two three hours after we finished,
and just sitting down and drinking gatorade and just hanging
out in the locker room.

Speaker 20 (01:07:29):
Like the end of my career. I played eleven years.
You guys played a little bit longer. Would you play
total twelve? Twelve?

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Eleven?

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
You played eleven? Yes? All right?

Speaker 20 (01:07:38):
So I can ask you this, and if you would
have played eleven or twelve, right, would there have been
a difference in how you're living right now?

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Probably, you think so. Maybe there's a few more ms, yeah,
a few more ms, but at the end of the day,
a few more contract in the back of my career. Yeah,
but how many heads shots?

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
How many headshots right now? Instead of just on their you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Take any shots that last year. They don't even hit me.

Speaker 20 (01:08:03):
They don't even hit Okay, we're throwing tho there.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
That was fifteen years ago, I know, but they all
catch up to you. These helmets are freaking sick.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
We didn't play with kept playing. I would have kept playing.

Speaker 20 (01:08:17):
We played with the helmets that they're banned now you
can't even put them on. Yeah yeah year one. No,
the last helmet I wore, you can't even wear anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Yeah, that's you. That sounds like a you problem. I
was wearing advice. I mean, that's like ten years.

Speaker 20 (01:08:30):
That's Tom his helmet, he can't he couldn't. Tom had
that old school helmet. The hell big his helmet was
because he's got such a large head. It was like
elongated like a bus, you know, because he has that
like two x helmet that he wore, and it was
that old school right now, remember the old school right now,
you couldn't even wear it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
At the end of his career, he had it. He
was grandfathered into wearing his just like the single the thing. Yeah,
you know Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, he's a meme now because
of that one. Mm hmm. All right, let's get into.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Anything so easy for come on, let's go pats over
under eleven wins this year?

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Under? Why under eleven wins? Four wins? Yeah, but let's
be realistic. Coach, new player.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Okay, hit in the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Draft, got the tackle, got wide receiver at the tap,
defensive stacks?

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Why under eleven?

Speaker 20 (01:09:19):
Wait a minute, I'm just saying, like, let's be realistic.
You think you're gonna have twelve wins? Twelve wins?

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Twelve is a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
They're gonna be a twelve win team after being a
four wins tough? It is tough.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I mean, look at the Washington So I took the
under man commanders.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Yeah, command commanders, Yeah, so did it? You just said?

Speaker 9 (01:09:36):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
My thought is, how do you win over under nine?
All right, that's more. I'm a nine. I think they're
nine to ten win team.

Speaker 10 (01:09:42):
Nine.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Ten eleven is a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
I'm going over on nine and I'm going under on eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Okay, you're right, that's what realistic that is.

Speaker 20 (01:09:50):
So do you think that you can win instantly with
overpaying in fre agency?

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
That's a great point, because look at.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
The they just spent three hundred and fifty five.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Let's talk about the thought the dream team Philadelphia Eagles.
Remember twenty thirteen coach Balichuck always put them up on
the board. There was so much talk about him. They
were talking all where the greatest team. We got so
many free agencies come in and then they went went
five and eleven that year six, you know, I mean
it's in ten and they brought in that many free agencies.
It doesn't mean you're gonna gel as a team when

(01:10:19):
you bring in that many free agents exactly. But but
they're veteran free agencies. Vrabel's a guy that kind of
you know, feels like you can tell them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
He's a gather.

Speaker 20 (01:10:29):
He's a guy that you know, he's the glue guy, right,
and he's one of them dudes. You see him and
that what's it forged in Foxborough? Now they got the
over forge. We're like building this thing up like our
new team has, like our new facility. We're gonna build
it from the ground up with steel and iron, and
we're gonna good. Yeah, Mark great, it's great marketing. So
my thought is, if you protect the quarterback, which is
number one in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Right, I don't think you could ever overpay for offense alignment.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
No, but they didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
So like like they over said they overpaid for a
bunch of free agents, when you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
How much is they paying for any free agencies?

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
On the little guy thirty four?

Speaker 20 (01:11:04):
And he's been you know, last year was kind of
riddled with injuries. Where do they get it from with
the Commanders?

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Okay?

Speaker 20 (01:11:10):
Yes, so actually he was played against him with the
Commanders and then he went to that he was with
the Jets.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
He's banged up, like good drafted. He's a very good
player they drafted.

Speaker 20 (01:11:20):
And I will say I would say that all his interviews,
Campbell not comfortable thinking about what.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Boys.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Uh did he make that tackle by the way, or
he miss it while I was on the sidelines and
like he putushed me out. It was like a Gimmey
was a gimme tackle? What's what? It was bad on
his party? It was just a normal flat route and
I got twelve yards in the flat route. He didn't
do his job in the coverage game, Yeah no, and
then it was a gimme tackle. So tough, I mean
you on the sideline, I was wronging though I was

(01:11:49):
fast back that. Yeah, you were pretty fast.

Speaker 20 (01:11:52):
So I think you look at I do like his interviews,
by the way, the first overall pick right. If you
could describe yourself in one word, how would you nasty?
My job is to protect the quarterback. I love getting
down and nasty in the trenches. I'm just out there
past set and trying to protect my quarterback like that

(01:12:12):
gets me going, right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
You love? All right? Wait? How many times have you
been practicing that?

Speaker 20 (01:12:17):
I just made it up, just real quick. It's like
you and the Bill Belichick impersonations. So many times you're
in the mirror. Just I meant next.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
I sat in front of him for twelve years and
watch him pick his noses? Did Yeah? I get, I get.
I can tell you his habits from everything. Yeah, isn't that.
It's attractive, isn't it? But you didn't. You didn't sit
to Campbell for twelve years.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
I just listened to him, and then you practiced a
couple of times, just one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
It's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Watching yourself once doing no, never did. I don't think
I did. Jewels, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Friend maker.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Come on, jeez, I'm gonna have to jiff you all right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Well, talking about Belle. We got an inco here and
looking at that hat. What was it like visiting Bill
at Chapel Hill Chapel.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Bill, great, Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
We had at the page.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Let you go out. No, I didn't do anything like.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
That, even even Bean, Yeah away.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
My phone was in the hotel.

Speaker 20 (01:13:14):
Okay, But anyway, it's uh, you know, for me, I feel,
you know, look, you put her shirt like this on,
you wear a hat like this, get something, walk around you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Know, comm aft Bahama, baby to say, you walk around
commaf and what maybe just pick up a younger chick
or something, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Speaker 20 (01:13:33):
Everyone's so serious these days. I'm a married man, freaking Page.
I love you, She's the best.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
But I would go after you if I saw that ring.

Speaker 10 (01:13:41):
That was great.

Speaker 20 (01:13:42):
So so this is my this is my thought. I
was surprised that he took that job. I think we
were all a little shocked to the surprise. I think
the challenge is probably going to be trying to get
the most out of a less talented roster. The worst
NFL team in the NFL is more talented. Let's like
you could have the shittiest NFL football team and you

(01:14:03):
have a you know, roster full of studs. So I
think it might be a little bit more difficult to
get the most out of some of these kids that,
let's face it, maybe one, two, maybe three or NFL
caliber players. Like you look at NFL teams. How many
NFL guys played on your Arizona team? Three or four
or four?

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
How many from Kent State three? Three?

Speaker 20 (01:14:24):
So like every every college team probably has three if
four max NFL caliber players and some have won.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Some have none, right, some have none.

Speaker 20 (01:14:35):
Especially you know, if you're Alabama, you're gonna have maybe
eight to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Ten a lot of money in Chapel Hill, Yeah, but
you're gonna have to bring in some talent.

Speaker 20 (01:14:44):
And I know that like the Big Ten, some of
these big schools they have to cut down on their
roster because there's no walk ons anymore. So they did
away with the walk on. So if you're from Carolina,
you're Chapel Hill. Yeah, they pick up trying to pick
those guys up through free agency. So you know, it
was interesting because there's definitely you know, you talk to

(01:15:04):
some of these kids, You're like, how.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Old are you?

Speaker 20 (01:15:06):
Like, oh, I'm eighteen, Like shit, you're eighteen years old. Okay,
it's pretty wild. Honestly. You know I was I was
a young I didn't red shirt, so I was young.
I was eighteen when I was in junior college, and
when I got drafted at twenty one, so my rookie season,
I was twenty two years old. You know a lot
of these kids they're you know, red shirt, gray shirt,
transfer year, COVID year. You know, you got some kids

(01:15:29):
that are twenty four and you got other kids that
are eighteen, So you have a wide discrepancy there of.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Age, the word discrepancy and learning. This guy's smart. Yeah,
perdue guy. You know, three point two GPA not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Oh, Slate only had a three point one at UCLA.
I know, three point two guy, it's pretty smart.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
They say produced like the IVY League of Public Schools.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
All right, next question, played with Sean You played with
Sean Payton.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Oh, I didn't play with a much? Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:15:55):
Yeah, that's like you know, somebody said, like somebody stole
Bill Belichick's Super Bowl jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
It's like, yeah, he didn't wear a jersey, Like Bill's
never won. This isn't baseball.

Speaker 20 (01:16:03):
We're like, which is weirdager, don't you think the manager
is wearing like a full uniform is odd.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Well, imagine like Bill the manager used to play.

Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
Hious.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
I know, I know that that's the history. I thought
you were a tradition guy.

Speaker 14 (01:16:18):
I leave our weight room, walk through the locker room,
go buy our meeting the room, go down the hallway.
And of course I'm not really as scared or because
you don't know yet. I don't know yet, That's what
I'm saying. Like I'm not as I'm naive. You go
talk to Bill, Talk to Bill, you know, I guess

(01:16:39):
we'll start with how Bill put me in fat camp,
you know, like when I was overweight coming in as
a running back, and uh, do you want to go
ahead and elaborate on that store? Man?

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Heavyweights?

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Did he bring in Ben Stiller? Tony Tony Perkins?

Speaker 14 (01:16:57):
Bro, that's one of those dude.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Bill chicks is Tony Perkins right now?

Speaker 14 (01:17:02):
Man, You get to New England and of course you're
going in there and it's Bill Belichick, and Bill's intimidating, bro,
Like you gotta give it to him, man, Like he's
he knows what he's doing. He's got a system in place,
and you don't mess with him. You know what I mean,
You just don't you respect him. You're in the presence
of one of the greatest to ever do it, if

(01:17:22):
not the greatest coach ever do it. I'm gonna give
him his man. He is because I played for a
lot of ball coaches. But you know, you have that
meeting where you come in there and you're a rookie.
He gives you your playing weight. And he brought me
into the office because I go to the weight room
and coach Nash hop on the scale, really and I
hopped on the scale.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
How much was it?

Speaker 14 (01:17:42):
And I'm leaving about two thirty five to thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Eight somewhere the year is this rookie year.

Speaker 14 (01:17:48):
It's my rookie year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
So he came in at two thirty eight.

Speaker 14 (01:17:51):
Came in. I played at LSU around two thirty you
know what I mean, like as a running back.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
But eight pounds is eight pounds.

Speaker 14 (01:17:57):
Eight pounds is a lot. Bro eight pounds a lot.
And then you wait till the story, just going understand.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
What's the way? What's the way?

Speaker 14 (01:18:03):
So Nash gets in there coaching, Nashes our string coach,
and he's like, really, hop on the scale. So I
hop on the scale. I think I was tipping that
thing at between two thirty five two forty sec running
back between the tackles from a big bat. Hey, I
obviously did something right because Coach you drafted me. Like
what you saw Nash is like Ridley, you got some
work to do. I'm like, all right, you know, I

(01:18:26):
ain't scared of work. Coach said, you got to be
at two twenty. I said two twenty. How I said, Nash,
you're tripping. I talked, you're tripping, bro I said, nah,
He said, don't ask me. I'm just telling you what
the boss man said. And I said, well, which boss
man we talking about? He said, you can go see
the head man if you want to there. I went,

(01:18:48):
you know what I mean, like, what's the problem. I
gotta go talk to coach and see what's up because
what reason?

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
So you went from weight room. Yeah, you took that
long ass walk down those hallways.

Speaker 14 (01:19:00):
To that entry door and you saw Bears cross Bears's office.
I said, Bears is coach available? And I didn't think
I was doing anything wrong. I might have been getting
off on the wrong foot with Bill Belichick because here
I am, as a rookie walking into his office trying
to tell him what my playing weight would be. But
what do I know. I'm a rookie, guys, you know
what I mean. I'm just coming in, like, coach, come on.

(01:19:22):
So Nash is telling me, I'm two thirty five on
a light day, two forty if I finished leaving the
breakfast buffet, eat my bacon and omelets and grits that
I get every day. So he's like, we want you
two twenty by a certain day. I can't even remember
what he said, so I was like, man, that's impossible.
I was like, there's no way I'm gonna be able
to do that. So I walked back. I said, all right,

(01:19:44):
coach Nash, I'm head on up to go talk to
Bill to see what's up. See if I can kind
of work this out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
You thought you're going in there and negotiate a couple
of pounds.

Speaker 14 (01:19:50):
Go talk to coach.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Coach, you give me two to twenty eight.

Speaker 14 (01:19:55):
Hey, anything we beat it? Can we meet in the
middle and y'all. When I I tell y'all, coach.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Is paint the picture. You walk in? What's where's he is?
He at his desk at his computer.

Speaker 14 (01:20:07):
Okay, So I leave, I leave our weight room, walk
through the locker room, go buy our meeting the room,
go down the hallway, And of course I'm not really
as scared or because you don't know yet. I don't
know yet. That's what I'm saying, Like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Not as I'm naive.

Speaker 14 (01:20:23):
Im talk to Bill, talk to Bill, you know, like
not talk hey, truly what I look back on things now.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
I was walking by you in the hallway as a
second year or third year guy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Just like, what a dumb ass.

Speaker 14 (01:20:41):
So I cut out of the hallway. You saying all
this to say, I have seen I want to get
too far off track, but I've seen rookies, y'all, like
on my back end because I was there for four years.
I've seen rookies come in and see Bill coming down
the hallway and they would literally like just bust the
left right into a random meeting room because they don't
want to look this in his eyes. Bro still comes

(01:21:02):
down the hallway. I'm not making this up. Cut sweatshirt,
looks like he's been at his office for three days.
People are like, fread do you know what I mean?
So I walked down there and I'm like, hey, bears,
you can't get to Bill without going through Bears. But

(01:21:23):
if you make that right into that office, you better
have a damn good reason to go in there. And
I had a damn good reason that day, coach, because
I can't drop all this weight. How you trying to
get me to drop it? Let me show you how
much he cared. I walked in.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
I said, Coach, he's at his death.

Speaker 14 (01:21:37):
He's at his desk. He's sitting at his desk behind
his deck. I said, coach could come in and sit down.
He said, yeah, Rid, come on in and sit down.

Speaker 7 (01:21:43):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Did he know you were coming? Or is he blindsided?

Speaker 14 (01:21:46):
He was blindsided? He was blindsided. Bears let me in,
you know? Bears Check said, you know Steven's here to
talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Did you tell Bears while you were talking to him?

Speaker 14 (01:21:53):
I can't really remember those details, but I definitely what
did Bear did?

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Just here's you go?

Speaker 14 (01:21:59):
Bears looked at me. I guess I walked in. I
was like, Bear's his coach available, and he kind of
looked up, and I was like, I just need to
talk to him real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Nothing, So Bill's sit you down.

Speaker 14 (01:22:09):
And when I walk in there Bill sitting behind his
desk and he's like, come on in and sit down.
So I walked in and sat down. He's like, what
you got rid? So, coach, uh, I need to talk
to you about this weight. I was like, I just waited,
you know, and uh, coaching Nash told me at the
weight that you have told him that you want.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Me to play at.

Speaker 14 (01:22:28):
And I'm just making sure this is the right weight
and this is not like a mistake like and he said,
what's the number? I can't really remember.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
What I had and nada YadA.

Speaker 14 (01:22:37):
I said, well, the number is.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
You could have gone right there.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
If you wanted to make the decision, you could have
said to twenty five because you if you if he
didn't remember the weight, maybe he would have agreed at
to twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
All right, you messed up? Go ahead?

Speaker 14 (01:22:51):
Should I should have had a better negotiation tactic, as
though what Juill said. But I'm just in there trying
not to die and starve myself out at this rate.
So I go in and I say, well, coach, this
weight that you want me at? I said, Coach, now,
I said, you want me at two twenty And I
said that's impossible. So I'm just telling you right now,
I don't know what it is, And I said, I

(01:23:12):
don't know how you want me to get there. I said,
I'll bust my ass and do whatever. But I'm like
two twenty, I said, can I just tell you a
little bit about me? Like like he doesn't already know
you drafted me. The Patriots investigate everybody. They know everything
about you before they even get you in the building.
So I said, Coach, what did he say tell you
about me? I said, can I tell you about me?
And he was like, sure, you know, Jesus dry, you

(01:23:34):
know it's not too much. I pulled out my driver's
license and I pulled out my drivers It's true story.
I pulled out my driver's license. I said, Coach, look, look,
I just want to show you this. I said, coach,
and I promise this true store, I said, I just
want to tell you, like, if you can look at
my driver's license. I slid it on this desk. You know,
I'm bold as a rookie. And it's like, what it was,

(01:23:56):
this clown? You know what I mean? I said, these
numbers that are on my driver's license from when I
got my permit in high school to before I even
got a driver's license. My permit and on my permit.
At fifteen and a half years old, I was five
eleven two hundred and twenty pounds. That's how much I
weighed in high school. So I said, coach, you mean

(01:24:17):
to tell me that you want me to drop from
two thirty eight all the way down to two twenty.
And he looked at me and he said, kind of
smacked those lips, well read, I mean really, I think
it's only about five hundred and sixty three dollars per
pound per day that you're overweight, So it's really up
to you. And I said what, I'm like, what do

(01:24:43):
you mean? He was like per pound per day and
he doubled down on it. I was like, I can
do quick math, bro, I'm third round drift pick. I
ain't got money like that. So fat camp, I went,
you know what I mean, I'm like, screw it, coach,
you know what I mean. If that's how we're gonna
go about it, there's nothing I can do.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
So what's fat camp? Until?

Speaker 14 (01:25:02):
So fat camp consisted of me coming in once. I
had to drop from two thirty eight to my weight
when I was fifteen years old of two twenty. It
required me changing my diet with our beautiful nutrition. Ted First,
Ted put me on this strip died. I had to
come into fat Camp, which was running before practice. So

(01:25:25):
we had to come in and either do our workout
what like before practice in the mornings, or we had
to go and do our workout after practice once we
got off the field. I was always an early riser,
so I came in early in the morning. So fat
Camp I was basically in there with all the guys
who were overweight that were trying to cut weight. So
I would have to go in every morning and I'm
talking about this still dark outside at five am and
just hit the treadmill and run. And so that was

(01:25:47):
the first time that I really I think the structure
and I look back on that. I like that structure
and that discipline. It It made me a good pro
because I legit dropped this weight for the simple fact
that I was not gonna give up my money. And
to do the math, if I'm two thirty eight and
the weight it's two twenty, let's do that times five
hundred and sixty three bucks times eighteen per day, Like

(01:26:08):
my paychecks' is gonna be pretty thin. You know. The
Massachusetts state taxes weren't too forgiving you know what I mean.
I don't need to be giving away any extra.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Eight point three now six point eight.

Speaker 7 (01:26:17):
It used to be there's some new shit, something crazy.

Speaker 14 (01:26:20):
So I got on board with the program and coach
didn't really like yell at me or nothing like that.
But I don't know if I kind of rubbed them
the wrong way from jump, but it was just like
one of those deals. It shook me up as a rook.
I'm like, how on the hell am I about to
drop twenty pounds or twenty five pounds and you want
me to run between the tackle bang it out with
the Brandon Spikes of the worlds and the driw Males

(01:26:41):
of the world linebackers at two fifty five?

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Were you were? You? Were you better at two twenty?

Speaker 14 (01:26:47):
As quick as a cat freaking nasty dude? Like what
Once I got to that planing weight, I'm like, hey,
you know, Bill knows what the hell he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
In fact camp with you.

Speaker 14 (01:27:01):
Dude, I think big Marcus Cannon was in the.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Cannon used to cheat the fucking scale.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
Remember that one time, Marcus Can He used to have
to weigh in all the time. He was always in fact,
Can probation all the time, and he would go in
and he would do it with a towel on his weight,
and then he'd have a pencil right like here so
he could leverage himself up.

Speaker 7 (01:27:28):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
Yes, he could lean on it and lift it up
and he would fucking make it. They caught him like
three times. Cannon used to have to he was in
fact camp like his whole career.

Speaker 14 (01:27:40):
It's a it's it's a grime, bro, because people don't
really realize it's like, man, once coach sets this, you
know coach had just coach up either, No, that is
your weight. So my four years in New England, I
played it two twenty. But Bro, I never was like
a top end guy. I never had like breakaway speed,
so I always prided myself on living by five yards

(01:28:01):
of carry. Like if I get five yards every time
I touch his pill, that's halfway to a first down.
I can bang it out with whoever DB's safeties. I
used to hit those motherfuckers like speed bumps, Bro, Like
I wasn't even worried about I was just downhill with it.
But once you got to the league and you had
to lose that weight, you know you became more of
a pro, you know what I mean. And so Bill
went back and after we didn't get the negotiation the

(01:28:22):
first time, I think it was about halfway through the season,
I'm like, coach, can I get a couple pounds? Give
me a little bit here there? He still didn't lighten up.
But it was just like I learned to respect that, bro,
don't question just do you know what I mean? Because
it made me a hell of a running back, It
really did, and I would have never been there. I
never even thought about playing that light because I didn't
think I had to pop behind my pads to be

(01:28:44):
a first and second down back and a short yardage
back like I was. But I was wrong. I can
say that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
He's probably at that point in his career seeing about
a thousand a year.

Speaker 14 (01:28:53):
Yes, yes, correct, And that's the weight.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
That he wants to me. He's in the them all.

Speaker 14 (01:28:59):
You know. I brought that. I brought that Southern flair
to the locker room, you know what I mean, Like
we believe coming out of LSU, man, it was like,
you look good, you play good. You gotta be swagged out,
you know what I mean. You got to have some
good tunes and have the energy going. So I used
to pull up the game day and the hummer you
know what I mean, subs going beating the block down,
holler at my people at the game, Oh what's up.

(01:29:19):
And it was just always do a donut in there
for the crowd. Hey that's another story too.

Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
Man.

Speaker 14 (01:29:25):
Hey remember when we had the big snows. You don't remember,
So we had the big snow store.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Yeah, we were all just ripping donuts in the parking
lot to the parking lot, and I do that every
snow crashed in the markets cannon, did you before the game?
Before the game, we're out there just going up before
a game. I do like on a Friday when there's
no one in there.

Speaker 14 (01:29:45):
I think it was like before. I want to say
it was before the game because we had the snows.
When we're taking those back roads you know where you
go through Foxboro. You know you had the little houses
and everybody was like lived next to each other. So
it's like a caravan. All the boys are taking the
back roads to get to the stadium. So I see
this parking lot that hadn't been hitting, no trip the track,
and there I'm like fresh powder, whip it right right there.
In the hummer and there I go, I'm smashing on it.

(01:30:07):
But they said doing donuts out there. And the funny
thing is, I remember it clear as day Wes Welker's
house in the backyard and cannon, I'll do a donuts
out there, And all of a sudden, you see Walking's
cannon come over the hill and his Toyota tundra ramped
over the hill and he's got pipes on his and
he's like ah, and we're spinning out there and hitting it,

(01:30:27):
just having a blast, until of course we lose control
and I hit cannon and boom, smack it. And when
I smacked it, I looked over and I swear you
see the blind slide over like this, and Wes stuck
his head out there and he was like, oh, y'all
fucking idiots. He just closed the bones and went on

(01:30:47):
by his business. Because I really want to say it
was either like before gave were after that. But I
remember seeing West the big old blue eyes, you know
what I'm saying, Like he's looking out the blinds. It's like, man,
who I didn't know if it was a neighborhood of West, Like, oh,
y'all are fucking idiots. Dude that it was funny, but hey,
we're having a good time. But that was that was
our Foxborough days.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
So basically that story just told me that when Bill
tells us before training camp, don't drive like a fucking
idiot in Foxborough, he was talking to you.

Speaker 14 (01:31:16):
He was talking about me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Okay, he was talking about me. He was verb my
rookie year.

Speaker 4 (01:31:22):
My welcome to the NFL moment was like I was
rolling in like my uh my Toyota rental, and I
park it in the way back of the players a lot,
and all of a sudden, there's this fucking huge semi
a fucking semi truck rolls in and parks up right
in the front and takes like two damn spots.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Backs in.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Backs in this big ass orange semi truck. It's fucking
Vince's daily driver. Vin'ce had like a huge semi truck
daily driver. He gets out of thinking and it looked
just like him in front of the barbecue, just a
comfort zone for him. Just a big ass dude getting
out of a big ass truck. Big v was just
fucking so cool. That was like my first welcome bed

(01:32:03):
and I was like, holy shit, I don't even know
you can buy some of my trucks.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Well, speaking of welcome to the NFL, he gave me
my Welcome to the NFL dosage of a hit Wooing
training camp rookie year.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
You know the wham block explained where they.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
Let go the guy let go.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
That's the just defensive tackle free, so then he thinks
he's gonna go get a sack. And then the wham
block is when I come across the line of scrimmage
at the tight end position, when I'm off the ball
and I'm the one that goes, and I wham the defensive.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Tackle and try to block on a trap for this
tight end.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
There you go exactly and we're trapping the defensive tackle,
so he knows it's coming. I mean, this is a
specialty play that the New England Patriots been.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Running nine nine seven. They know the fucking script.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Well well before me, yeah it is. It was it
wasn't nine nine to seven. So yeah, the defense does
know the script so they can look really good in
the run game throughout that whole period. And I think
they also told him this play was coming, uh being
tifically knowing I'm on a black Vince and they wanted
to see my toughness as a rookie. So the play
is called I'm in full pass. You know, I'm a

(01:33:09):
wam block. I gotta show my toughness. I gotta show
my keeps. I gotta get the respect of my fellow teammates,
especially the veterans.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
Wait, let me paint the picture. Also, Rob's a rookie here.
VI was like the big dog on campus. In practice.
No one really gets close to him because you don't
want to piss him off. When you're new, you know,
it's like, holy shit, is that a that is a
large human being. He's like so big. I think there's
like something that orbits him, Like on how round he is?

(01:33:36):
Like that's you didn't want to get in his way.
You didn't want to piss him off because he was
very intimidating. Get back to your story.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
So the play, you know, gets on its way.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
I do my little to you know, two side steps,
you know on the motion, I'm running full speed right
at Vin's well. For this guy peeks over to his left.
He sees me coming. He has this grin on his face.
Knowing was coming, he put his shoulder down. I'm going
full speed at him, and he gets that leverage and

(01:34:06):
just tease off on me. I went flying backwards five
to six yards. I didn't even land on my back.
He sent me flying in the air where I landed
on my.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Feet still, Oh my god. Yeah, and that hit hurt
like a mother effort.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
But what's cool is I gained the respect to my
teammates and my coach at that time, tight end coach,
in that meeting that day when we went and reviewed
the plarents. Brian Farrens, love you, Brian FARRENC. He's now
at Iowa with his dad doing, you know, doing his thing,
doing a good job. He goes, Yo, what were you
thinking trying to block Vince Wolf. He goes, You're never
gonna do that again.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
I go, thank you, thank you. I go, I'll never
do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
And ever since that day, you know, we had about
five more of those calls and I just go up
to him, I hug him. I didn't need to try
to block him. It was just only going to get
me hurt from there on out. Yeah, I just give
him a hug like Vincena.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
No, it's the way I'm block.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
I know you're gonna be me like there's there's no
reason to go through this motion of me getting thrown
backwards again.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Oh my god, I'm gonna break a rib.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
He's so, he's so you love your ribs, and you're
gonna you know, you'll probably eat him, yeah, and join
him after with your barbecue sauce body.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Oh my, that had to be so terrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
It was, well at that time, it was he's.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
An intimidating guy like when you joined the team.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
To terrifying after that, because I was trying to, you know,
gainer my keeps man like. I was trying to prove myself,
so I didn't care who was in my way, and
then I learned I.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
Do care who's in my way.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
When when it comes down to the NFL, you gotta
that's when you learned on when to you know, take
your shots as someone and wan not to when to
block someone hard, when to kind of like just la
box someone out as well, instead of trying to hit
him full speak and you hit him full speed heads up.
They you know, they're way bigger than you. This is
when you start learning the ins and out.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
It's twenty sixteen high tower sack. What do you get
on that?

Speaker 11 (01:35:56):
Yeah? I mean, same call. Isn't that crazy stackbacker left?
Same quad talked about with Nikovic? It was the same call.
But let me go back, So this is this is
you so obviously, so we're't allowed of five down. We're playing,
you know, really good offense. It's coming at as fast
we're we're struggling on defense.

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
Right, Yeah, this is one of the highest scoring offenses
in the history of the league.

Speaker 11 (01:36:18):
Offensive MVP, best coordinator with Channy, you know, like coordinator
of the Year everything. Yeah, lost, Okay, so coordinator the year,
best off you know all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:36:27):
So, so off the first half isn't going good. I'm
trying to make adjustments. It's it's long. And then this
is another one of those weird things.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:36:37):
So the night before the game, you know, we got
extra time, so I'm like, hey, let's watch this game.
Let's watch this game. Let's watch this game. So I
had watched the Chargers game and I was like, I
need to show this game. So it was the night
before the game. I sat down with the defense and
I said, listen, I go, this this offense can score points.
I go, but if we just play the game all
the way out, I go we'll be okay, look at

(01:36:58):
this game. So the Chargers that year got down early,
they got down big. But as you watched the Atlanta
to Atlanta, as you watched the game, they just started
chipping away second half, chipping away, chipping away, and then
they scored, and then they stopped them, and then they
turned the ball over and he got all the way
down to the end of the game and the Chargers
actually kicked the field go and won the game. It
came back from it was like it was a big deficity.

Speaker 7 (01:37:19):
It was good.

Speaker 11 (01:37:20):
Kind of like I was like, I'm gonna show this game.
So I remember, you know, before the the first half ended,
I was like, all right, I need to we gotta
go in this locker room. We got to remind everybody
like we're okay here. Then other half of this game
and we've we just saw on tape how they you know,
there's a there's a window here. So we go in

(01:37:40):
the locker room. First thing, you know, you do because
the halftime is longer. I'm like, all right, everybody, do
what you gotta do. Take a couple of seconds, and
I just got the defense. I said, listen, here's what
we're gonna do. I'm like, Julio is ridiculous. Like, you know,
we had the whole like, oh, he's injured. He can't
play it off his right foot. He's only gonna be
able to break left now. Yeah, no, he could break
wherever you wanted to. So we had to be cause
I was cheating alignments based on that injury information. I

(01:38:04):
was like, don't worry about it, we're gonna And then again,
you know, we meg the backside of cover two. We
undercut him I think it was Logan and he reached
up over the top of Logan and took the and
I was like, oh shit, we got a problem. So yeah,
So that was in the first half, was like first
series of the game or whatever. So we go into
the locker room and said, listen, we're going to all
the red area calls. I said, I'm just I'm gonna
we're gonna play the red area calls. These are the
calls we're gonna do. Went through the staff, go back

(01:38:27):
to the players, and I said, fellas, listen, I go,
first of all, first half, here's the issues. This is
what happened. I go, remember what we watched last night.
I was like, the Charger game, I'm like we're going
to come back and win this thing. I'm like, we
are gonna be fine, Like we just go play every
single down.

Speaker 7 (01:38:45):
We got it.

Speaker 11 (01:38:45):
Put ourselves in a hole, but we got to play
every single snap. These are the calls we're gonna make.
I go, you gotta believe right now because we're going
to do this. And what was happening was Douran was
on the bike. You remember this, No Doiran was on
the bike and he was trying to stay warm. And
so I let the players, you know, I get down
my meeting and players going to the coaches, and Duran

(01:39:06):
starts chirping. He starts chirping. He's like, we got it,
like he just. I just And I was like you
could feel the energy and you could feel the belief,
and then all of a sudden, you come in and
you're like we gotta go, and you start chirping with
Duran and you guys are chirping back and forth, and
the energy is building, and I remember walking out, I
was like, holy, we're gonna win this game. And I

(01:39:27):
just I just because I don't know where you came from.
I don't know why you were on our side. And
Duran was like chirping, and it was like you two
are chirping at each other, and it was almost like
I don't know if you were trying to pump us
up or he was trying to pump you up or
whatever it was, but it was just it built and
I was like. I walked down, I was like, holy shit,
we're gonna win this game. And I told him before
we went out, I said, here's what's gonna happen. We're

(01:39:49):
gonna get a negative play. On the first run. They're
gonna run the ball. I'm like, Hi, if they run
it at you, this is a TfL. I'm like, if
I first start down, they're not gonna throw. We're gonna
double over here. It's coming backside. It be three by one.
You gotta make the play. Made the play on the backside.
So the very first yeares they had the ball TfL.
On the first play, they run it to high. Third down,
they throw it to Eric was like third and long
because we had put him in long yard situation. We
break it up and coming side and I go, here

(01:40:09):
we go, it's gonna happen. So we go through the
game and what happened was the series. They're going left
or right, so they're going that way in the end zone.
Second down run. Coleman is in the game. Coleman was
the third down back. Freeman was early down back. So
Coleman comes in, hands it off and I look and
he's on the ground and he's injured, screwed up his ankle.

(01:40:31):
And I remember watching. I was like, it's third down.
Coleman's out, and I clicked on. I said, hey, hi,
I said, hi, listen, I said, Coleman's out. Freeman's in.
I go, we're going stack back or left. I go,
don't show it. I go walk late. I go, he'll
never see you. I go go get the ball, Scoop.
We gotta score, bro, I go, you got this right now.
I just it was one of those like Coleman got hurt.
It clicked in my head. Freeman was in there, he
was gonna miss the protection. Don't show it, walk up late.

(01:40:53):
We're coming right at him, and we're about to score.
We didn't score, We're gonna score. But I was like,
I just so I'm on with high the whole time.
I go wait, wait, wait, wait, And I can see
the quarterback give freehim the mic point and I can
see him scan correct because he's got the mic and
he's got scan and he sees high inside and then Hi,
he goes outside. I go cool, all the way outside
the bunch. He walked all the way outside the bunch

(01:41:14):
and he comes ripping off the edge and I was like,
I was like, no one even sees him and he
stripped it. I think Branch recovered it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:41:20):
I was like, I thought, we're gonna scop the score.
But it was the same call as Rob. I called
him twenty fourteen. Rob stopped him on the third and short,
and it was just one of those things where it
was like it just clicked in my head. It was like,
Freeman's out. You know they're not. They're gonn screw up
the third down protection. Let's go get him. So that
was the turnover, which really then you know, now we're
feeling it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Then we had the tree flowers side.

Speaker 11 (01:41:40):
So then later in the game, now they're driving, they
throw Julio's right there, he and I was who I
was with Julio last year. He's like the best right,
And I was like, bro, how far out abound did
you reach? The little ball is literally ten yards out
of bound? Its ridiculous, right, it's I'm in the coaches,
it's past me, and he catches this thing, and everyone
on the headside it's like he's out. He's out him,
like literally his feet. I'm like, he's not out. I'm like,

(01:42:01):
he just caught it. So now they're in field goal
range and I was like, oh my god. So I'm like, hey,
dev like we got a blitz, so get the TfL.
And so now it's second along.

Speaker 7 (01:42:11):
So everyone's like.

Speaker 11 (01:42:12):
They're gonna run it again. They're gonna run it again,
and some of my I was like, they're not gonna
run it, They're gonna throw And then and I'm arguing.
I'm arguing on the headsets with Bill. He's like, they're
gonna rune it. I'm like, they're not gonna run it.
I'm like, they're the quarterback of the year. I get
off in the corner of the year. Like they're throwing
the ball at the place, like they're gonna throw it again,
like they're they're gonna get in their own way here.
I'm like, I'm so I called. I actually called a

(01:42:32):
three man rush because I wanted to have max coverage,
but it was a five down look. But as they
lined up I look and now I've got one. I
got Gieball's great shirt. He's on the outside. But now
I'm like, oh shit, it's the wheel route. I'm like, oh,
I'm like, this is about I'm freaking out because I'm like,
this is about to be a touchdown. And so sure enough,
back I think it was Freeman. He releases. I see

(01:42:54):
Gaball he's peeling on the wheel. I was like, oh my, like,
here we go. And Trey just because I put him
on the nose because of his quickness in his length
and I knew that they would struggle. Yeah, he had
the ankle, and I knew he was gonna struggle with
the redirect and Tray's arms for so long he could
get into you, and he was skinny, and he just
skinned through. And he gets in and he saxsmon and
I was like, he's I mean saved. So then what

(01:43:16):
happens is on that play, so that one or the
next one high Tower he's on I think it was
long on the other side, and High Tower gets held
totally buried and they didn't call it. And I see
Hi talking the official and I was like, they're gonna
holding I was like, so I stir down, so I'm like, hey, hi, hi,
go again. So he rushes again, flag comes out. I

(01:43:38):
was like pushing him back and before I'm like, I
don't know how the hell like he just like you
just see that stuff. So then you know again, the
whole thing was they weren't in control of the game.
We were controlling the game. We were running. We were
stopping the run now and now we got to cover
a kick and those Slate those guys made an unboile.
They pin him deep late in the game, and I

(01:43:59):
remember clicking on we stopped him on first time. Remember
clicking on the bill, and I go, hey, We're about
to win the Super Bowl, and the craziest rule that
no one's ever seen before. I'm like, be ready for
a free kick because I was like, if they don't
get any more yardage, we're gonna fair catch this thing
and we're gonna we're gonna win the Super Bowl. It's
gonna be crazy. I think they got like seven put
us out, just out of it, you know, they kicked
it out.

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
And saying I was thinking walk off because I went
down to return the punt. Yeah, I was sitting there
like all right, man, if I fucking walked this off
man the.

Speaker 11 (01:44:28):
Unbelievable. So so then you know, we go to overtime.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
We tried some ship. Remember we tried the game cock.

Speaker 11 (01:44:35):
Bro, I mean blues hamstring. It was it was like
that was so bad.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
Game Dog was like the annexation of Puerto Rico play
for us like.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
A bumble.

Speaker 11 (01:44:45):
Fake Neil hand it over and fucking that was a
crazy game.

Speaker 7 (01:44:49):
That was crazy.

Speaker 11 (01:44:49):
So then we win. Yeah, it's bananas. I'm so we
go through all the sale I get on the bus right,
so I get on the bus. Tom He's in the back.
It's Josh, Laura, myself, Raina, Bill, Tommy's in the back,
and I'm literally like did we win? Like I don't

(01:45:10):
even know what happened? And Josh is looking at me
and goes, hey, bro, he goes, I didn't. I didn't
see any of the defense. I didn't see one play
at the offense. It was because every series was like
this has to go right then this so your catch.
I didn't see that till the next day. I was like,
I didn't see any of any of that happened during
the game, And Josh was like, what happened to you?
And I'm like, bro, we got the stackback or left call.

(01:45:30):
He's like, you should just catch Julian Maid. And then
we ran this and Josh and are trying to fill
each other in because I'm like, I don't even know
if we won and Bill. Bill turns around and he's like, hey, look,
he goes, Listen, he goes. You know, we got to
play these guys next year. It's probably gonna be like
the first game of the year. They'll probably do that.
When we get back. Let's make sure we write down.

Speaker 7 (01:45:46):
Like what was good.

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
I'm like, I don't even know if we won.

Speaker 14 (01:45:48):
Bill.

Speaker 11 (01:45:48):
I'm like, literally on the bus, I'm like, what are
you talking about right now?

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
I'm like, oh yeah, it was like holy.

Speaker 11 (01:45:58):
Josh and I just looked at your start laughing. I
was like, what are you talking about. I don't even
if we won the game.

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