Dudes on Patriots: Mega Episode

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Dudes on Dudes. I'm Julian gentleman Rob Gronkowski
is playing with Ralphie somewhere and we're still recovering from
the season. But we have something very special for you today,
a Patriot Mega cut. We put together all the Patriot
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(01:08):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Dudes on Dudes is a production of iHeartRadio, and we're
gonna start with a former player, a guy that everyone knows,
a Hall of famer out there with a guy that
we play with with on New England. About two years
for you, two years for me, a quarter season for myself,
my rookie year in a quarter for me. But everyone

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knows who he is, Randy Freakin' Moss. Please pull the
picture out. Randy Moss was an absolute dominant force on
the football field. I didn't want to put him in
the category right away. I didn't want to describe the category.
But the guy had personality. Everyone loves him to this day.

(01:57):
He's a great TV. He's on TV TV analyst somehow
awesome on TV. He's mossing people still to this day.
You got what his segment? You got must and you
know who this is?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Rob You know the shots from No, it's a shot
from This shot is from when he was leaving the
players parking lot, I believe, I think on a Tuesday
after he got fined for mooning Green Bay. Remember he
got fined for moving Green Bay. And this is like
right immediately after when some reporter came up to him said, Raindy,
what do you think about game fining. He says, straight cash, homie.

(02:28):
That's what Randy is. And that quote is still used
to this day. Great cash homie.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Great cash homie. Whenever I pay anyone in cash, I
always say straight cash homeie. Oh, every single time. That's
going to live on forever.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
How many years ago is that? That was a long
time ago? Twenty No, it wasn't twenty How I was
in high school man when that happened. He was on
the Minnesota Vikings, right hey, he was in the Vikings
at that time, So that was like what five maybe five?
I think you need to start this twenty years ago?
Did we start the top of the clock. Now, Rob's
got a little research that he's done. Now, Rob, how

(03:03):
did you get this research?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I just typed in the player's name on co pilot
and uh what type of you know, football player they
are or person they are? And it just popped up,
and you know, you gotta work smarter, not harder, you
gotta work.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
What it's all about it is. So let's let's what
is what did a co pilots say?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
This will also help.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Out my reading skills?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
See dudes on dudes, I mean, we're not the smartest dudes.
Julian No, but we're also not the biggest idiots.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
I know, we have.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Common sense and we're here, you know, doing this show
as well to help us out in life as well.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I would say we're idiots. I would say we're idiots.
We're not dumb. Yes, yes, we are idiots in a
good way though, ye best way. We're not like IQ
gonna like knock you off the charts. But you know,
like we're also not going to spend you know, like
all your money. If you have like two dollars, you're
going to spend fifty. That's like coming said, yeah, exactly,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
You hit it right on the nose. And are reading
skills I want to say.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Are you know? NOA skills are terrible everyone out there.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
So this is gonna help my reading skills. It's going
to help my creativity doing this show as well. And
that's why I wanted to do it. I feel like
it's going to help us out on Fox, you know,
just being able to talk.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
So we're building muscles, and we're also in the media
because we're going to use their AI. Let's go. So
here we go.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
We got we got Randy Moss, right, Yeah, Randy Moss.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
What is muss?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Randy Moss was a dynamic and explosive wide receiver known
for his exceptional speed, leaping ability, and playmaking skills. His
deep threat capability made him a constant challenge for defenders,
as he could stretch the field and make spectacular catches.
Moss was renowned, renowned, right renowned for his ability to

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make acrobatic catches and score touchdowns, earning him earning him
a reputation as one of the most talented and dangerous
receivers in the NFL. Over his career, he was selected
to multiple Pro Bowls and was a key figure in
the two thousand and seven New England Patriots record setting off.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
He was he was start the clock. Start the clock.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
We got ten minutes which each player that we will
be talking about.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
First of them. That's pretty damn good by co pilot.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, co pilot the money and Rob.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I think he knocked it out the park.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I was a co pilot reading that, I think you
were the actual pilot.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I was.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I was that actual pilot. No co pilot, you were.
You were there, but you weren't there.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I was co piloting by just sitting there. Were the
passenger I was a passenger, Yes you were. I was
a passenger. But who know who was the ride? It
was freaking good. It was freaky yeah, which was also
Randy's nickname. It was it was the freak. Randy went
to Would you go? You went to Marshall? There's so
many crazy stories about he committed to Florida State, then

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he went to Notre Dame. Did you ever hear those.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I never heard any of those stories. But he ended
up at Marshall University. Where is Marshall anyways.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
West Virginia. It's in West Virginia. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
And you always from Rand, West Virginia, like Randy Moss
is from Rand, West Virginia.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
He used to say that all the time in practice.
Hey Rand you Rand? You remember you would always say
that like him, and like who else was from there?
White chocolate was from there? It was white chocolate. I
eat Who's white chocolate? Jason? Yeah, teammates, teammates in high school? Dude.
He always loves to fish too. He That was the
one thing you always knew about Moss in the off season.

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You were never he was like a farm boy. Yeah, yeah,
he loved outdoors. You love fishing. Oh you know, I
was traumatized at a young age. My brother made me
hold like two catfish when I was like six years old,
and he told me they could sting you and they
had big old tentacles, and the fucking traumatized me. So
not a big fisher. I was like the kid wakeboarding.

(06:51):
My brother was like the fisher you fish. Nah.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I always got seasick every time we took that boat out, yeah,
you know, and they're like a mile off of shore.
I was always throwing up and like really dizzy. So
I never became a big fisherman. I mean I had
a pond behind my house growing up, so I get
like those sunny fish like that was cool, but never
really a big fisherman. I eat fish, so I like
favor fish black and salmon. Black and salmon, yeah, with

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some good spices on it. I like a hall of it,
nice light fish.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah. All right. Back to Randy. Back to Randy what
Hall of Fame?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
What year was that he went to the Hall of
Fame Football Hall of Fame? That is was like twenty eighteen,
twenty eighteen, it was.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
We won a Super Bowl. He was a twenty first
overall pick and he had a lot of the there's
a lot of like turbulence in his early career, you know,
in college and stuff which I always thought made Randy,
you know, misunderstood. You know he kind of what would
you say when he was in the locker room, Like

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he was always a very caring dude, but he always
had his guard up. He always had his guard up.
But like on the low, he would always give you love.
Like for me when I was I was a rookie receiver.
I used to have to go out and buy all
the receivers like lunch whenever we would have a way trips.
Remember before the travel, the rookie goes and grabs you know,
something from Bar Louie, or you go somewhere you know

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Jimmy Jones or something, and you get the order. And
Randy would always make me do it. But I was
a seventh rounder, so I wasn't I wasn't paid by
any means, and guys were giving you crazy orders. Randy
would always throw me like three four hundred bucks. He'd
pay for it, make me go get it. So like
he was always he was just always quite like he
would kind of get on me in front of people.

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But then when there was no one around, he'd always
loved me up and like, you know, like he I
think he was just putting that on there to make me,
you know, make me accountable.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, for the for the you know quarter career, you
know quarter year I played with Randy. I thought he
was a great teammate man, And like you said, I
feel like he was misunderstood in the public eye a
little bit. He didn't really care about you know, the
glam and all that. He like, he just he just
rubbed it off his shoulders like like it was nothing,
like it was water man. But he cared about being

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a good guy and he never thought he was too
big for anyone else. I mean, Randy was the best
wide receiver in the game at the time, maybe of
all time, and he cared about, you know, being relatable
to the young bucks. He did he made me feel
very warm and welcome. What do you do to the
New England Patriots when I.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Was What do he did to make you feel warm
and well?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
So Moss always loved you know, kicking it back having
a conversation with myself. When I was a rookie, I
was struggling. I was in the playbook like crazy, He's
struggling a little bit. But he just loved how I
played the game and he always imitated me because I
was big. I was goofy, you know, and he liked
that kind of stuff, you know. And every time I

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had a catch or you know, had a touchdown, I'd
be like myself, you know, I'd be giggling like this.
He'd be like, dude, bro, you always giggling. You always
having a good time, gronk, Like it's coolest shit, man,
coolest shit.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
How you are man?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
And I'd be like it made me feel warm and
welcome to be myself on the Patriots. And I'd be
like I always did that on the field after I
get up, like I that was just me. I was
getting hype and Moss was like, man, I like how
you do this?

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Man?

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I like like, cool shit, how you do that? Like
I'm going to do that. After I school a touchdown,
I was like for real. He's like, yeah, yeah, I'm
going to do that. So what happened game I think
game number two Buffalo versus Buffalo. He scored like, you know,
forty yard er post right down the middle, like you know,
like Randy Moss does because his fastest wide receiver I
probably ever seen play the game freakish, you know, stride.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
It looked like he was going slow, look like, but
he was just always passing people and he was just gliding.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
It was like jet ski on water, like on like
flat service, just gliding.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yes. And it didn't look like.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
He was going seventy no, but he was going seventy
maybe eighty on water, which is fast.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
So we get to the game. He scores that touchdown
and he starts doing this like he's being gronking the
end zone.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
And I'm twenty one years.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Old and this is Randy Moss, fricking Moss imitating me
after one of his I thought it was the coolest thing.
I actually never even shared that story with anyone. I'm
not even I'm talking like, I never shared that story
with a friend a family member. It's just kind of
known within the team, you know, within the team and
the organization. So that's one of the coolest stories of

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all time. You know about Randy mossa I have personally,
and he just made me feel welcome to the team,
and he just made me feel like myself because he
just loved how I was and how I played the game,
and it was just a special moment, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
He fucked with dudes that worked hard. He I remember
on Tuesdays he would come in and do these workouts
where he would do like side step ups, these like
uh step ups, quick feet, and so I would jump
in with him every once in a while and he'd
do all these medicine ball things where like he'd have
like one leg on a medicine ball and do like
a push up, and you know, he was working your core.

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And so I would always I'd always see him do shit,
and then I would go do it. You know, I
want to do what everything anything Randy did. But like
if he saw you working, he never really busted your balls.
That's kind of got you know. But if you weren't,
if you were you know, if you were talking and
you were a guy that wasn't hurt or something like
any other patriots, any of the patriot like guys, you
know you're gonna hear shit. You want to know. You

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want to also know why.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
I would say Randy was misunderstood a little bit because
he was real. Yeah, and when people are real, people
don't like.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
That man, because like real one can sound like assholey, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
It sounds Assholey, Like, if he didn't want your freaking food,
he's not going to eat your food like you just
didn't want it, you know. If he didn't like you,
he didn't like you, like it's just real shit. And
then that's what makes people misunderstood.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
I still can't fathom that Thanksgiving game that he had.
What was the screenshot of of his Well, he had
three catches, like one hundred and forty six yards, wasn't
sixty three yards on stream?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Sixty three yards? Oh and three touchdowns. All his catches
were over fifty yards. It was when he was with
the Minnesota Vikings Thanksgiving Day. He ate the turkey after
the game as well. Yeah, it was just Moss being Moss. Well,
Randy was so special that we actually had a play named.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
After him, Moss.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, Moss, Hoss, Moss, which is the Moss signal. That
was the signal because it was all goes. There was
a go on the left, there was a seam on
the left, there was a seam on the right. And
every time Brady did that, I got excited because I
was always the slack guy going down the field, so Moss.
Every time I saw that play, I thought of Moss
and just felt like I had to turn the burners

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on as well.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Rob, you had how many What was your biggest touchdown season?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I had seventeen touchdowns in twenty twelve, but eighteen because
one of them counted as a rush.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Eighteen touchdowns. He had twenty three touchdowns. How fucking nuts?
Is freaking nuts.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I don't think anyone's ever going to touch that.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
I don't know what the eighteen I don't think anyone's
going to touch it. Still will because guys aren't playing
as many games like they don't play the whole season.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, I mean that's not the reason why. I think
just because was just so dominant twenty three touchdowns. Because
when you have twenty three touchdowns, Moss was only one
who can get away from double coverage and then run
away from it because he was so fast and freaky.
Ain't no one ever gonna touch that twenty three touchdown record.
I mean I was pretty close that one year when
I had seventeen. And then actually he was at practice

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one of my best training camps of all time when
we were in West Virginia. Moss came whatever at that
dump place at Greenboro. It's great for football coaches loved
it because all you did was focus on football.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
But he can go to the casino though it was
fucking bullshit. Good thing.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
We would have lost all our money or want a
lot more money and then had it could have retired
in training camp. But Moss was there when we were
facing the Saints in practice and I was dominant.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
This was a year I was on fire, unstoppable. It
was actually the year we won the Super Bowl versus
Atlanta when I was unstoppable, and it was just unfortunate
that I got lit up up the middle of that year.
But I had like four touchdowns in a row versus
Saints and seven on seven and Moss was right there,
and I was like, Boss, I'm coming for you.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Man.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
That touchdown record is my go. Gronk, you got it. Boy,
You're the only one.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Gronk.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
You the only one that can beat my touchdown record. Gronk,
you got this, boy. I want to see you do
I go, Moss, I am gonna do a buddy, I'm
on coming for twenty three, no problem. I mean, it
was kind of realization at that time. I was dreaming big,
but it was just so cool to have Moss right there.
Talking shit to Randy Moss. I'm gonna beat his touchdown

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record in the middle of practice. Like was one of
the coolest moments I've ever had in practice at Moss,
You're the man. And the freakiest catch I've ever seen
Moss make that I will still remember for I will
remember for the rest of my life is the Reevius catch.
It was the second game. It was the second game
of season. Of the season, that was my first start.

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It was so when he did the invitation of me.
It was actually the first game of the season. I
think we played.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
No this was was that. That was I don't think
you were there yet. No, I was there.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
So we played the We played Cincinnati my very first game.
Then we went to the Jets. We lost most freakiest
catch I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
We lost the game.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, we lost the game. Uh, Brady just tossed it
up there. He let the play developed, no one was open,
so he tossed it up one on one coverage Moss
Verus Durell Reeves, the best cornerback in the game. Moss
put his hand up in the air and just snagged
it one handed, right in the end zone about three
yards in. It was freaky because he extended all the way.

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It wasn't like it was like close to his body
heat made that extension, you know, effs effortless.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
It looked like he barely did it that when he
was going, He's just like eh.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
And then oh, and then we played the Buffalo Bills
a third game, and that's when he did the imitation
imitate Fau imitating me, Oh no, myself, the gronk giggles.
And then we played the Miami Dolphins the fourth game
of the season. And then after that game he went there.
He wasn't there anymore.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
It was sad. It was You want to know something, Jules,
O remember it, man, I remember it.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
We were we were partying man. When he got traded.
It was Monday night, and you know us, we were
young bucks man. We went to Foxwoods the casino, and
we walked Monday. No, no, it was a Monday. It
was a Monday night game. So to be able to
buy weekend, we had I think we had a bye

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week or something because we went to Foxwoods Tuesday night
because it was industry night at Foxwoods, and you know us,
we're in the industry of partying at that time.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
We were maniacs. We were maniacs.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Were this dudes and dudes bad. We're just having the conversation,
you know, we're just telling our stories, just living up.
You know, how did you find it in the past?
And I remember we were together, man, and you were
you were pretty hungover, I remember, and I was hungover too,
and we turned on the TV. We didn't know anything
what was going on, and we turned on the TV

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ESPN and Randy of there it was breaking news, traded
to the Minnesota Vikings, and literally we were like heartbroken.
We were hungover and heartbroken. It was probably the worst
situation you could be in. Yeah, yeah, but we always
climb out of those holes.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
That was. But uh I talked about talk about the
Sunday scaries.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, that was. That was the Tuesday morning scaries right there.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
You wake up, you know, oh fuck, we got to
practice is gone.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
That was one of the examples of of my early
times in my career that I was starting to learn
that the NFL was a business. Oh yeah, because as
a rookie, you don't know that it's a business. You
know you're gonna make the team. You think you're playing forever.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Can't trade Rainy trading Rainey can't trade Randy Moss.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
She's the greatest of all time. And it was really
cool though, because he did that press conference I think
the week before, like he wants a new deal. He
had his headphones around his neck. He kind of he
kind of went off like the Patriots ain't giving me
my new contract. And I thought that was really cool
because that's the Randy Moss I knew, like going off,
just just being a real dude.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, he knows. And I love that shit.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I love when players act up man, and I thought
it was the coolest thing. So it was sad to
see him go. But it was also sad because that
was part of the reason I feel like he went.
You know, Bill Is takes no shit.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
He doesn't. But that's when you're reckon. You realize that
this is definitely a business. All right.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
So some final thoughts Randy Moss, What kind of dude
is Randy must then? Yeah, what kind of dude is he?
I would say?

Speaker 1 (19:34):
So, we have a stud at like athleticism football IQ,
the pedigree. We have the freak unparalleled physical ability one
of one pretty much a mutant that sounds pretty close.
We have a dog who's relentless, motivated, physical and mental toughness.
We got the whiz dude whose intellect innovative, very clutch,

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and we got to do dude, positive attitude, locker room guy,
calm cool, collect glue guy. He's like a glue guy.
Dude's dude.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
And let me tell you, every dude that we're going
to be talking about hit all of them.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
They hit them.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
All their attributes are all five of them. But we're
trying to find the one that exemplifies them the most.
And with Randy Moss, it's easy. I feel like this
is a no brainer, no brainer, no brainer. It's already
in his nickname, the freak.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
The freak, I mean he was. I remember he's just
so fast. He was so he could jump, he he
he could catch the ball. The intricacies of the game
where like that were you would try to coach the guys,
like late hands and stacking the receiver, like those are
the things that like we would try to coach. He

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just did it naturally. That's like how he like he
just knew how to judge a ball and high point
balls like he We literally have segments named after him
going up and just mossing dudes.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
And the way the ability he had to just leap
when he was running full speed.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Is what made him so great because he can have
a defender on him because defenders were just as fast
as him. Some of them were some of the.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
DB's Heylate all right, Remember he used to challenge Slate
all the time.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
But every once in a while there there was a
guy that you know, it was kind of covering, but
what did he do. He just leaped right over him
like a frog and made the catch. And that's what
made him so freaky.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
It's so crazy to think, like you're when you're running
full speed and you got to track a ball, your
eyes are bouncing like that's like some of the first
things you see, like when from your like off season
training and you jump into like you know, start competing
against guys, the first thing that you always have to
dial in is the bouncy eyes. My eyes would bouncing.

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I'm going like a guy to go full speed and
be able to concentrate and then like effort, see like
a ballerina, jump off one leg, go back, mass the
dude over to Like that's that's a freak. He's a freak.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I remember Jules like you used to always bribe Moss
would do it. So I'm doing it so like right
after the games, like when you landed from an away game,
he will go right to the weight room to get
his workout in. And you've been Marshall doing it, I'm
gonna do it. You know, like you copied everything he did,
hey man, But I don't blame you. Man, he's the
greatest of all time.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
I would copy him. Tom didn't when it was around
Copy West Poppy Katlee. Yeah, all right, you loved your dudes.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
You love hanging on your dudes. You because one dude
you wanted the dude on.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
You become a creature of the dudes you hang around.
That's the truth, you know, you become a dude of
the dudes.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
That's why keeps on podcasts, you know, because I've been
hanging out with you jewels, and you have your podcast.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
So I wanted to part Now it's just dude dribbing
off on dudes. So we did.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Randy Moss all right, freak of nature, freak, no doubt.
He's a freak dude, no question.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
All right, let's go into our next bomb, bomp bomb.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Sure, we're gonna go for more than ten minutes. We've
already went for more than ten minutes. Who's our next guest, Tom?
I mean, oh wow, all right, who's our next guest, Julian.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Our next guest is Thomas Edward Patrick Brady. Now, let's
see what AI has what to say about TV two guys.
I know him pretty well. Let's see if AI knows
him just as well. All right, started the clock. Let's see.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Let's see if AI is really living up to the standards.
Let's see he's everyone's saying, last two, AI, all right,
Tom Brady is a legendary NFL quarterback. Well, they're already
wrong because he's not a legendary NFL quarterback. He was
an NFL legendary quarterback?

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Or is he? Does AI know he's Tom? Ay? I
know something that we don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
You're right, HEYI is living up to the standards. Dolphin
Kyle Shannon Hands still wants them with the Niners, even.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Though maybe AI is up to something. Right now, I.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
See he's a renowned for his record seven Super Bowl
victories and five Super Bowl MVP Awards. Off the field,
he is known for his discipline lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Very disciplined. TV twelve method business, venturess, business ventures, a
lot of business ventures, owns teams, lots of teams, raiders
potentially coming up soon.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
And philanthropic efforts, a lot.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Of giving back to the kids, best buddies for a
long time.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yes, and what about the kids he helped become superstars? Yeah,
he helped us out too, were part of that. That
doesn't go that's not fullanthropy, but no, that's his biggest
philanthropy right there. It was definitely okay, helping us kids out.

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He helped his a right, a lot, all right, Oh,
including his work with the TB twelve Foundation.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Which you just mentioned and TV twelve Foundation. Brady's leadership,
He's a leader resilience, guys, fucking resilient and commitment. Come on, Jules,
is he committed? This guy has committed like no other
to excellence.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Have made him an iconic figure?

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Is he iconic? Fucking He's got to order the most
iconic guy's gotta iconic.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Figure both in sports and infinity and beyond. Is an
infinites and beyond. But I added that little bite of
buzz light year, you know, spectacle aspect into it.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I like that. I like that, but I can't believe a,
I didn't one thing that AI didn't get. This guy's
his compartment. His compartmentalization skill is fucking outrageous. That's what
if anyone asked me, like what is he could literally

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have so many things going around, going going on in
his life, but when it was time for work, he
could blur all that out and think about what that
workday was and fucking get the most out of that
workday every day. Which some would say that's like a
serial killer or some kind of maniac mindset. I would say,

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that's like the greatest of all time. Yes, Jules, that's
a great point. I actually never thought of that, and
that's one hundred percent accurate. And that's actually contributes.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
To why he was so great, is that he could
ignore the noise, whatever is going on out there, whatever
the situation was better, it didn't matter, and he would Yeah,
he would use that anyways he was using as fuel.
It would be diesel fuel, it would be normal, normal fuel,
would be freaking super fuel, it didn't matter.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Usually a few freaking gas stations have that fuel fill
up that engine.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
And he had diesel engine, he had freaking premium engine.
He had every engine in the book, jet engine, and
that's what made him so great. And he used that
fuel and he burned all that fuel too.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
This is probably terrible. There's so many he burned so
much fuel that he killed literally so much of the
ozone layer that he's a fucking hazard to our environment
because that's how much fuel he burns. With the motivation
and his compartmentalization factors, that's how much fuel he's burning.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
And that and that jet was full go every single time.
You know, when you get on a plane, you're like,
this freaking pilot, better drive this plane or fly this
plane as fast as possible. Well, drive it too freaking
on the runway to get to the runway to freaking
take off a sap so fly it and drive it
as fast as possible. That's this guy.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
And he's got headwinds, so you're actually using more fuel. Yeah,
and with the fuel never ran out. The guy has
fucking airplanes that come out while you're flying. Have you
seen that where they use the fucking piece and while
they're flying in the air and connecting the limited Yeah,

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that's and that is Alex.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Alex is the little airplane ale Oh man, he just
has so much fuel.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
I mean, oh, that was so good. That was so good.
There they are, look at there's alex Is froewing time up. Wow. Wow.
And that's something that happen. And that's a love thing
out Alex because he.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Gets him going, keeps them going. Man, Well, let's get
to some accolades. I mean, first he was he was
picked one sixth round in the two thousand draft. I mean,
I'm sure everyone knows that by now. He's with the
from two thousand to twenty nineteen, and then with the
Bucks two thousand to twenty twenty two. And actually I
just got a quiz on him. How many years did

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he play in the NFL? And it was right before
I talked to him two weeks ago on Fox, Kurt
Menfie asked me, we played a little live game. Hey,
how well do you know your teammate Tom Brady goes?
How many more years did Tom Brady play in the
NFL than you? And I played eleven years? And I
thought Tom Brady played twenty four years. I actually got
it wrong. He played twenty three years in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
So shame on me.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
But it was better to be over on that than
the hit it right on the nose. But that's how
many years he played?

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I just know it was so many I couldn't even
keep track anymore. He played eleven years more years.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Than he played, eleven years more than you, in twelve
years more than me. That is fucking I played twelve
I played eleven years in the NFL, and he played
more years in the NFL that I put in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
He that without me? That makes sense? Yeah, yeah, like
if you I don't know what that's called, but that's
a math term.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, that's called the whole. That's called goat.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
That's fucking goat, goyoat. Yeah, that's called jet fuel. Alex's
jet fuel. Alex's jet fuel. Yeah. What was the first
time you met Tom?

Speaker 2 (30:18):
The first time I met Tom was actually what was
pretty wild when I was at the University of Arizona.
You know, I was doing my interview. I had a
couple of touchdowns that game. I was showing off my
touchdown celebrations, and then the lady interviewing me, she's like,
who do you see being your quarterback in the NFL,
And obviously, right on the spot, I go, Tom Brady
would be the best quarterback to have in the NFL,

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and especially a great fit for me, and that was
just the answer, you know. And then I did my
touchdown dances and all that, and then what happens. I
get drafted to the Patriots and Tom Brady becomes my quarterback.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
In the NFL.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
It was like I manifested it when I was in college.
I manifested a lot of things. And if you have Tom,
Tom's probably really big into manifesting his mat He manifested
all his Super Bowls because right after he won a
Super Bowl, he would already have a clock counting down
to the next next. So he was manifesting like crazy.
You just learned so much knowledge from him, and he's
done so many things right to be able to get to,

(31:17):
uh you know, nature of where he is now. It
wasn't like he just had the athletic ability. He showed up.
He did everything right and he put the time in
that you can never argue against him, can't.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
You can't be So let's get let's get back to
what was I talking about again? I don't know. I
just got. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
I got At the first time I met him, it
was in the training room. I was getting my ankles
taped and he walked in, So I was there already
for the rookie camps, the rookie practices, and he just
walks up to me. He goes, hey, Rob, I'm Tom Brady,
and I was like, oh wow, this guy already knows
my name. I mean, that's also what makes him so
great as well, is that he already knows all the

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rookies name, all the guys that were drafted, what rounds
they were drafted in, what type of player they already were,
because he wants to know, you know, their athletic ability,
you know what type of guy they are, so he
can understand them so he can be on the same
page as events out of them, so he can get
the best out of them as well, like you said,
and he could have that connection to help win games,
so he can be on the same you know, wavelength

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as them. So he already knew my name, came up
to me, and I just thought it was the coolest thing.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Man. I just said, hey, man, nice to meet you.
It was just super quick he left. What did you
think in your head?

Speaker 2 (32:28):
And Tom Brady knew my name and that was the
greatest honor to shake his hand while getting my ankles taped.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
And then he goes wins four super Bowls with them.
That's crazy. I had a similar story. Yeah, what was
it like when you met him? What? What was that story?
I was going from, Like you said, we were already
in there. When you're a rookie, you get in there before.
Back in our day, you get in there before the
vets reported. And so you'd be there for like three weeks,
did rookie camp and learning installations of everything. And so

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I had a big book. We all had these books.
It was like a five inch Remember those old old
binders before we had iPads. We used to have big
old binders. I didn't like carrying them around. I left
mine in my locker when I went home.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, even though you were supposed to bring it home
to study, I was like, I ain't carrying that binder.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
I used to carry it. You did I do? I
was trying to make you. So I'm over here, getting
five minutes before the special Teams meeting. It's true, and
I'm running through and the Vets came in. And I
saw the vets coming because I saw well in the
in the cafeteria. Didn't say a word to me. I

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was but I wanted to big, big time A little
bit had a leather jacket. He looks cool.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
He looks like when you guys big time each other,
it's entertainment for me. All right back to time though.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
And so I knew they were in but I was
going to my meeting and he walks through the door,
you know, the entrance of the locker room from the hall.
He walks in there and he goes, I like, look
at him. I drop my book. I'm like, oh shit,
this dude is taller than I thought. And he goes, hey,
I'm Tom. I go Jules. He goes, I know we
have the same agent. Dragon's my agent too, or something

(34:10):
something like that. And I was like, nice to meet you,
and you could I felt the same way you felt, like, damn,
he knew my name. That's fucking crazy. But he knew
that he knew everyone's name, and he made everyone feel special,
and that that was part of his leadership skill, you know,
like what made him such an unbelievable leader, from the

(34:31):
meal ladies to you know, the people in the equipment room,
the training staff, Like it didn't matter what was going on,
how the day went, he was always a pretty cool
dude to everyone, and everyone was always watching him. You
know what I mean. And that's when you're the quarterback
of the team. Everyone no matter what is going on

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in your life, is watching that person and to see
how they react to everything, the success, the failure. Your
eyes go to that guy, you know. And he was
the perfect guy for us, especially when we were young knuckleheads,
to look at, like, all right, this is how you
have to do it. He gave you the example and
and he was just a fucking.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
He gave us the blueprint on how to become a reliable, talented,
you know player that you needed to be to help
the team win games. He gave us the blueprint on
how to become a star out there on the field.
He gave us the blueprint on how to make plays,
how to go out there and have that mindset ready

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to go, and also be mentally and physically ready at
all times on the practice field and on the game field.
There's no doubt about that. And he didn't just give
you a blueprint. He showed you the way too.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Showed you.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yes, he showed you, Hey, this is where I want
you on this route. This is when you need to
look at me. This is where the ball is going
to change you. Yes, He trained you to be like that.
Oh wait, oh, wait, oh you want to take a break.
Hey man, I'm telling you you're and will let you
go farther. Let's go four more routes, let's go. You
got to be able to be on the same page
as me.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
You got to be right here.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Be more physical, Be more physical. You're bigger than everyone.
Run his ass over and turn around and the ball
will be there, I promise you. And if you don't
hit that guy, if you're not physical, guess what, the
ball is not going to come to you. He would
just lay it out just like that. His leadership was
just what's that word where it's just brutally honest? Yes,
brutally honest. And that's what made him so great too.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
So like with him, that's what he always harped to
gronk with me. I remember in those because a lot
of times we would get that coaching in the offseason,
when he would go fly out somewhere we would throw together,
you know, because there's times where you would do it.
There was times that I would do it. He would
always try to get his throes in with his guys,
and for me, he'd always come up to me and like, hey,

(36:50):
I need you to be here. I need you to
be like a boxer. You know you can't. You can't
be You can't just do what the thing shows you
on the paper. You have to feel it out. You
got to set things up with your jab and then
you use your right. You know, it's like a box.
You got to be more savvy in your route running.
That's I remember you saying that. And then he'd always say, like,

(37:11):
you got to run like a fucking you got to
be able to run. You got to be able to
run all day. And like you said, when you were tired,
we would do those sets of routes. He'd make you
do three or four extra ones and he would say
you'd line up and you would you think that the
drill was done, and he would say, oh, there is
offsides on a penalty on your teammates, or there was

(37:32):
a holding call or PI, or we got to redo it.
And he knew you were dog dead, but he wanted
to see. He wanted to get everything out of you
when you were on empty. He wanted to see what
kind of guy you were, and he wanted to show you.
That's what he expected in game time.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
And a word that you could have used in there
as well. That kind of sums it up a little bit,
as he loved a decisive route, run decisive, decisive. He
didn't care if the paper said run ten yards and
run out. He didn't care one bit. He cared about
being decisive on the practice field and taking that decisiveness

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and bringing it to the game field.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
He goes, Hey, if you're going to run.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Twelve yards even though it's a ten yard route, or
if you're gonna run eight yards and it's gonna be
a little short, just be decisive. Let me know when
you're gonna break out. Let me know when you're gonna
break down, so I can get that ball out and
I can read you. I don't need you to have
fifteen steps where you're slow. I think you're going to
go to the left and then you go to the
right side. No, be decisive, and if you're decisive, I

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will find you and that ball will be out and.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
It will be right on point. That's what he said.
What's the biggest misconception of him? You think the biggest
misconception of Tom Brady? I think he said he's cool.
Is that, Yeah, he is cool. No, I think that's
the biggest misconception. He's not that cool depends. That's the
misconception right there, because he's cool. When he's comfortable, he's cool.

(38:56):
But no, if he's comfortable in the situation, I think
he's not cool when he's comfortable. I think when he's
around us, he's kind of like a dork.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
And then when I mean to everyone else he's the
coolest guy, which I still think he's the coolest guy ever.
But then when you have him around, You're like, he's
really kind of a dork.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
There's some situations where you know, if if he's comfortable,
he's more himself, yes, yes, and he's more like you know,
like like dad Jo, Like if he knows all the
cameras are shut off, like he can finally.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Just have something to be Tom. Yeah, he's kind of dorky. Okay, okay,
I like, but you need a little dorky in your
your quarterback.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
You do.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Mostly all quarterbacks are a little dorky.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
And that's what makes some quarterbacks, I mean, not all
of them, but I'm saying it's kind of like just
a trait what quarterbacks have, but a little bit, just
a little bit in them he is cool, but he's
a little dorky.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
But you just said he's not cool. No, I said
the biggest misconception. He's cool. He always keeps a chip
on his shoulder always always. That's work.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I think everyone knows this work ethic.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
I know, but I'm just giving some facts about him.
What else is a misconception?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Mmmm, that he's not clutch no's that's not even a misconception.
Everyone knows he's clutched. I just wanted to try to
throw you off, jewels.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
How about this guy also played baseball and got drafted, Yeah,
by the Expos Montreal. No wonder why he didn't go
and play baseball the Expos. I mean they have a
cool hat, they do, got cool colors. They're gone though
they're not even there.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
No, So, I mean that's why he didn't want to
go there. He's like, oh man, my legacy. I go there,
the team's going to be gone. That means I'm going
to be gone. I want to last forever. I'll go
to the New England Patriots instead. Yeah, he was in
high school when he got drafted. He went to the
same He went to the same Now he was going
to the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, he went to that I remember, well, we grew
up in the same area, so he went to the
same high school as Lynn Swan, Barry Bonds. There's like
so many really good athletes to come out of that
freaking school, Sarah, it's all boys school. What what was
the moment that Tom made you the most annoyed? Oh
my god, when I would return punts, Like I remember

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my rookie year. It was the freaking preseason game. It
was my first punt return and there was a repunt
and I ended up housing the second one, but the
first one. I see Tom on the sideline and he's
got a little anxiety because it's his first game from
his knee. So he's like he was like coaching me
up on how to return a punt. He's like, just
get up there, just get up there. I'm sitting there

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and I'm looking at him, like, fuck, this guy. This
guy has never done this. He does not know what
I'm feeling right now. I was so annoyed with him.
And then then they repunted it and I housed it
and I fucking slammed the ball against the thing. I
was fired up, and I was like, I was so
annoyed with them like this guy is he's never felt
what it fills when the guys are running full This

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is new to me. I never felt it either at
the time, so I like, fuck this guy, Let me
do what I gotta do. It is not a run.
And I was so annoyed with them. I'll tell you
mine what was yours.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
When I was a rookie, and I couldn't get outside
of the defender on a flag route, which is flag rout,
which is a corner route, so you run about ten
twelve yards and you know, you give a little stick
and you break it forty five degrees and run a
corner route, and the defender was always outside of me,
sitting at like squatting at ten yards, and he's always says,
get outside. If you have a flag route corner route,

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you gotta get outside of the defender or else I
will never throw you the freaking ball.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
So I was a rookie.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
I was kind of like clunky. So I wasn't really
that athletic as a rookie. You know, I wasn't running
routside right, yea double day's and yeah, I was tired
as well. I couldn't get outside, and in practice I
didn't get outside of the guy. He's like two three
yards outside of me too, and I'm trying to fake
him like I'm going inside and trying to get around
him on the corner and Brady just turns around in

(43:02):
the meeting because it's on film, and he turns around.
He goes, Gronk, I'm fucking done throwing you the ball.
I told you fifty times to get outside. You're not
getting outside. And like I got all sad and alge
Crumper started patting my leg and he's like, it's okay, Gronk,
he doesn't mean it.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
And I was like, yeah he does, alg Man, he
means it.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
And let me tell you this time, you fucking throw
me the ball like a thousand times after so I
knew he was all bullshit. I'm telling me he was
never gonna throw me the ball again. I was literally
like but that fired me up. I was like, all right,
I'm gonna show this guy. But that's the leadership he had.
He was brutally honest and he would freaking get you
to go to the next level, which was crazy, which

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was crazy. He was so good at it, but I
was so annoyed because I couldn't get outside the guy.
I'm like, I want to Big Tom, run the freaking route.
I guarantee you can't get outside the guy either. He's
three hours outside of me. And then if I got
outside him, it was basically like an out route I
was running because I would have to flatten it so
much so I couldn't really run the corner route.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
And you get in the other responsibility to the other guy, Well,
he just wanted to get a defender in practice, he's
playing the play, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
And then and he knew the place. He just wanted
to get the point across, ye like. So it was
just always in my memory, and every time I ran
a route, it was kind of just like on autopilot,
just to get outside of the defender. So I was
annoyed at that, and you know, with that situation, but uh,
you know, times of change. I started running routes where
I would go inside the guy and then he would

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still throw me the ball as well later on, because
he's like, all right, he proved, he proved.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
It enough that you can do it. Well, then you
guys start throwing the back shoulder shit. Yeah, And then
we started doing all that. Also. I also used to
get really annoyed when in meeting rooms, if he liked you,
and I felt both of these. I felt when he
liked the guy, he'd like he would like love them up.
And then there'd be so like when when Wes was there.
I get so annoyed when I would do the exact

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same thing that Wes would do and he he wouldn't
think it was good, and I would get so fucking
annoyed with him. But I remember when West left, then
I was that guy. There was guys doing trying to
do that what I would do, and he wouldn't. So
like I would get annoyed with that so much when
he would always bring up, like, babe, just do it

(45:16):
a little more like Wessey. He called him Wessy. When
he called him Wessy, Remember Wessy, Hm, I used to
get so annoyed.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
You want to know what I would get annoyed with
him too. It's like we're in the off season. We
just ran fifty routes. It's like you and I out there,
only we're dead tired. It's ninety degrees outside, middle of
the summer, and he'd be like one more, just one
more route, because he's just throwing the ball. His arm
can throw one hundred and fifty passes a day, and
we're running the freaking fifty routes and he's been one more,
so then we would run, run more. We give it

(45:44):
all all. We're about to throw up. It's middle of
the summer. We probably are hungover. He has no clue
what that's like because he used to He used to, yeah,
and then he became lame. Yeah, he became lame for
like a couple.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Of years now.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
He back in the day, I guess he wasn't lame.
If you're saying he's not lame, he was lame. Okay,
say it, Jules.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
You know he was lame. Yeah, like when it came
when it came to that, he was lame. But we
didn't get him when he was young. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
He was already thirty three when I first met him,
and then when I were thirty, freaking lame at thirty
three years old, complaint. Compare it to when I was
freaking twenty one, twenty eight years old.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
You're right, because then he was twenty three, twenty four.
He was the there's you know, he was the best
chugger on the team. He was like he was a
dude's dude. So back to the story, like he'd be
one more and then you would.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
You would run one more route and they'd beck one
more and then you just be like, Tom, I'm not
off and running one more. I just ran fifty routes,
you know, one more, but one more you want to
get better?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
One more.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
And then it'd be like fifteen more routes and then
finally it was the last one and it.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Was fifty and then you get to seventy five. He's
like he just wanted seventy five throws. Yeah he was
seven five throws. Whatever Tom says, you do, you gotta,
you got your son. I remember those days, man. That
what made us great? Though.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
What was the moment that, like you felt like you
truly gained his trust and that he could rely on
you even if you mess up again.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
He knows that you're still reliable. You know what I'm saying.
What was that moment?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
What was that catch? What was that play if it
was a practice or if it was left well, because
he loved he loved West. You just were not playing
when Wes was Okay, Jules, no, but you couldn't have
Tom Brady's trust.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
When you were when you were on when West left,
you didn't like a bunch of players.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Okay, he didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
It was when he left he had no one. He
had to trust me. You had all right, and then
it was weird. It was weak one in thirteen where
we played Buffalo and we went out there and we won.
I had two touchdowns and and that's when I felt
like all right, because we had some We had some

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spurts where you know, West would we get banged up
and he wouldn't play, being like, trust me, trust me
until you had to be the guy, until you had
to be the guy. Yes, and then he truly trusted you.
And that's the situation.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Though he doesn't really trust a guy that you know, yeah,
he's not able to throw to. He's got to see
eighteen times a practice, you know, he has to see it.
He has to do the repetitions with you in order
to truly gain your trust. And it doesn't happen overnight.
Now he gained your trust and you gain his trust
as well, you know, just over time, over time. I

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would say my situation was when we played the Chicago
Bears on the one on one panther route when I
was going over in the snow yeah, versus Brian or Lacker,
and he wanted to gain my trust. He wants to
see me be physical. That's why he always emphasized me,
be fucking physical. Gronk your two hundred and sixty pounds
you're going versus one hundred eighty pounders or linebackers that

(48:51):
you're still bigger than Be physical and h This was
the playpanther out one out run. I run into the
end zone, kind of hit the guy with my shoulder
and then turn around and the ball will be right there.
Because when you're physical, you know, pushes the guy back
a little bit. When you use your shoulder, you turn around,
then there's that little ounce of separation and Tom can
see that. He can see the field. He can see
all the separation in the world, hes it, he sees it.

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He can see every little detail that's going out on
the field. And when he sees that little detail on
that route, you know, with the physicality, knows he knows
that you're going to be open.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
There's gonna be a little window.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I hit Brian Urlack and we practice it, and that
Friday he says, I want to see that in the
game because I ran it great on Friday. So the
game comes when I won versus Brian Lacer give him
the shoulder turn right around the balls, right there, nice
and low where it's always supposed to be in the
red zone.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Boom, catch it.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
And ever since then I gained Tom Brady's trust right
there and then on the spot, which was.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
One of the greatest moments of my career. Yeah, I
remember that he is you know, he had to see it.
That's what makes him. He's a dog man. He's assassin.
He is an assassin. What's your favorite Tone memory?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
My favorite Tom memory is actually, this is one of
my favorite memories of all time. You know, when we
were playing the Indianapolis Colts and I ran that five
yard out route, caught it versus d Kwel Jackson. I
did a little spin move, he kind of fell, did
a little split.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
It was like, very great route by me. Great after
the catch too. And then I'm running, you know, I'm going.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
There's a couple other guys and here comes Julian adamman
Ka Boom just absolutely levels Adams.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
The safety, you know, gets them out of my way.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
I'm like, thanks Jules for the block, you know, and
then I'm running into the end zone. I jump over Butler.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yeah, dB, yeah, DBI.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
What's his first name again, Yeah, Darius Butler, who was
previously on the on the Patriots and then he went
to the Colts and now he's doing he's doing a
great job in the media. Yeah, it was a McAfee show.
He's doing a great job. So shout out to Darius Butler.
But I jumped over his ass. Made me look goods
flipped into the end zone. I looked like an athletic
one hundred and eighty pound wide receiver. And then this

(50:58):
was the moment, one of my favorite moments with him.
Tom loved the route, loved the catch, loved your block.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
He was so pumped up.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
He ran full speed from the thirty guy line and
probably because I got him a touchdown on a play
where it never should have been a touchdown. Yeah, and
he came running full speed and jumped on my back
and went for a ride.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Man. He was. He was like a pony on a horse. Man.
I brought him for a ride. Man.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I was carrying Tom Brady around in the freaking end zone.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
He was. He was on my back.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Put the pony on the horse. I was waiting for
him to drop that quarter in so the rock can
keep on going. Yes, I didn't want him to get off.
I was like, Tom Brady's on my back, like like,
what else do I need in my life? Oh my god. Yeah,
And it's one of my favorite pictures to sign to

(51:50):
this day as well. I don't think he ever signed it.
It costs like five billion dollars to get him to
sign a picture. So like I always signed the picture
on my back and like I'm waiting for that picture
to be worth a lot more money once he signs it.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
The couple, you know. But he hasn't signed it yet.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Man.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
That was a fucking fun play. That was a fun play.
Thank you for that block. Oh you level Adams. Adams,
he's talking in the safety was the battle he was
with Denver battle. He battled us a lot. Man. He
brought it, He brought it to and he wasn't scared.
He was good. Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
There's a picture right there. Oh wait, he signed there
it is. Man, he's going for a ride. I'm still
waiting for those corners.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Tom. Oh my gosh, there's.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Tim Wright right in the back too. We won the
Super Bowl this year, didn't we And we won a
super Bowl this year. Yeah, yeah, I think it was
who Man was was a tight end as well in
the two tim right and who Man?

Speaker 1 (52:45):
I love who Man? All right, what was your favorite memory, Jules?
My favorite memory was when we it it kind of
that fourteen when he, uh, we hit that route. He
came up to me afterwards and he and he goes,
that was a championship route, man, and like it was

(53:09):
nothing crazy, that's special. And he when he you know,
he goes, that was a championship play man. And we
didn't win the game.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Yet right now because him saying that's a championship route,
that's a championship play.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
That means a lot. Yeah, And and then afterwards when
he we won, you know, like that was his That
was when he got four and I just remember, you know,
there were so many memories of him, like you said,
how he's having the ticker of the super Bowl location
and the whole story where I said, man, I'm gonna

(53:42):
help you try to get to Joe. And because we
were both Bay Area fans, love Joe Montana and I
told me he was the greatest quarterback of all time,
and you know that all that was just a fun
memory there's so many it's it's hard to fucking do
one kind of all right, I mean I'm gonna start.
I know me too.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
There's there's a lot of memories with Tom. It's just
great to see him. He's doing so good in the
broadcasting booth. I mean, if he just puts in ten
percent of the effort that he did with the game
of football in his after career, in his post career
after football, he's gonna.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Have the whole world just which you know he is
to eat from.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
He's gonna be successful and anything that he does, and
that's what he's gonna do. He's actually gonna go one
hundred percent all in with what he does. He's great
in the booth, like I said, and he's been improving
so much every single week and it just shows he
is actually a human. I mean, Week one, he was good,
he got the win, but he definitely could improve. And
then all of a sudden Week two and three, You're like,

(54:40):
what the heck? How did he just go from being
like a rookie quarterback to a veteran quarterback in one
week in the broadcast booth. So just shout out to him.
I mean, he dedicates himself, and he works on his
craft like like no one ever has before.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
And that's what makes him, you know, the greatest, the
greatest at ever. He cares about making the people look
right that give him opportunity. He does. That's he cares
about that.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
He takes it to heart, and he cares about showing
the people that has passed on him that they fucked
up too.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Yeah, he loves that. He likes that. So don't ever
pass on Tom Brady. No, I won't. The only thing
I'll pass on is that I was kind of a
little hesitant when I said he was lame, But he
was pretty lame except for when he wins a Super
Bowl in Tampa Bay and he gets hammered on a
damn boat. Like, where was that fucking Tom around us?

(55:35):
I was bullshit, like I was waiting for that the
whole entire time in New England.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
I was.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
That's why I went to Tampa Bay. I went there
for that moment. I didn't really want to play football again.
I just wanted that moment that I could actually get
wasted with Tom. But guess what, he was on a
separate boat than me. I didn't even see him at
the at that boat, right, So guess what, I still
never had a drink with Tom. It took me all
the way until the Roast to have a drink with

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Tom Brady. And that's why it was in the roast.
I said, Tom, I never had a shot with you
ever in my life or a drink, and he took
a shot with me at the roast. So that was
that was a cool moment. Yeah, well, I mean it's
been thirty three minutes. How long can we talk about
this guy? I think maybe we should have him on
again for another episode because I got literally I can

(56:24):
talk about this guy all day long. I could go
literally two hours. The more we talk about him, the
more stories that pop up in my head. Same, the
more stories about him on the field, off the field,
what it's like to be around him. We could talk
literally for four hours straight. Jewels, what kind of du
tell me what time of well? What type of dude
is Tom Brady? Ladies and gentlemen, I think he is.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
I think this is easy, freak dog whiz. I think
this is easy dude. Dude, I don't know what do
you think?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
If it's easy, let's hear what.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Let's see, he's a fucking dog He is a dog mental, physical, toughness,
always motivated. He didn't have the pedigree he was he was.
We saw the Brady six of the the six guys
before him taking in the draft. Like he always had
to go to long road. He always had to work
for everything. Even when he was at his top, they

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were always talking about someone else. He's a fucking dog.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I want to say freak, because a freak is like
someone that has like the most athletic ability in the world.
And he didn't really have the most athletic ability. But
what's made him so great was that he didn't need
the athletic ability because the dog was working harder than
the athletic dog. You know that wasn't the freak dog
that really or the freaky person that wasn't really working.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I think he's got illness like shooting, like basically like
it's kind of.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Like an archer freak instincts.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
He could throw, Yes, he could throw rocks really good.
He could probably skip a rock really really really has
he probably really got a pool Yeah, like King Pong
king Pom what I I Yeah, you always beat him?
Never mind, he's not going.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, he gets really mad when he loves that's a dog.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
That is a dog. That's a dog. He wants to
want to go gun now wants to go. Guy, he won't.
He wants to go again. Won't let you fucking leave.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
I mean, we haven't even got to This guy's looks
got either. I mean we can just say that he's
a stud real quick, just because of how good he looks.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yeah, I mean he looks younger than when. Yeah, he
got in the NFL. Like his chins, jawline freaking, just
his beautiful blue eyes.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
I posted a picture that day on Instagram, like he's
got like a six pack now, like his arms are jacked, Like.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I mean, he's doing two days. He is doing to days.
He's doing two days right now. He's got his body,
he's still. So that's why maybe Ai was fucking right.
He's maybe coming back. AI is is Tom Brady coming back?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
He got six pack, he got a little his hair
is looking as brown as ever. He gave me this
supplement that he saw my great hair. And he goes,
babe here and he's take this fucking uisha I think
it's like uisha ou or something in some Chinese medicine
and you.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Put it in the shake and her hair is already growing.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
It is my hair darker.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
That's why I don't have a hat show. I wanted
to show off my hair because I've got oh, we
shall product.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
It's like I don't know how to pronounce it'h ooh oushi.
I got hair it whatever it is. Look at how
good his hair looks. It's just good looking guy. Man.
He's a dog, all right, He's a dog. He is
a dog.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
It's official. Tom Brady is a dog.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Man. We can talk about him forever. We'll be right
back after this quick break. What dude, do we have
this moment? Here we go AI summary.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Oh, we have a coach here at Jules coach this
NFL coach and former player Sands that's six foot four
inches tall. That's two inches shorter than me and weighs
two hundred and sixty one pounds out of eight pounds.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Less than me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Jules versus seventy eight eight pounds, he's too sixty one.
Here's two sixty one plus eight sixty nine. Yes, I'm
two sixty nine, so I'm eight pounds more than this coach.
A versa towle linebacker who played for the Pittsburgh Steelers,
New England Patriots, and Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Can you guess who this is? Yet? I know it
is it? After being drafted in the third round in
nineteen ninety seven, ninety seven, he's so old. I was
like eight years old then I was like eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
He won three Super Bowls with the Patriots and in
first team All Pro honors in two thousand and seven,
known for his tough, physical play and leadership.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
On the field.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Well, that kind of translates to while he's a coach
now and while also moonlighting as a goal line tight end.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Goals like tight end more touchdowns than me, I think
in the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Super Bowl, but not overall. Growing up in Akron, Ohio,
oh so he has some roots with you, man, He
has Ohio guys. He played college football at the Ohio
State University. After retiring as a player, he transitioned to coaching,
serving as a head coach in the NFL for six

(01:01:14):
seasons before taking on his current role as a head
coach of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
The New England Patriots. There we go, ladies and gentlemen,
and this dude, let's get on Mike Rabel.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Mike Rabel, Ladies, Hey, Jules what's the first thing you
think of when you hear the name Mike Rabel.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
The first thing that comes to my mind is just
a tough guy. He's just a tough how tough like
And actually the first thing comes in my mind as
an asshole asshole because he's just here, I mean, a
tough asshole, A tough asshole. Okay, there we go. We
never played with Rabes, but because of how legendary he.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Only heard stories, the stories.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
We're all he's about like three people, Rabel, Bruski, and Izzo,
and like Rabes was always at the helm of these
crazy stories that just floated around the Patriots locker room,
busting balls. That comes to my head, like I always,
you always kind of remember hearing how Rabes would get

(01:02:21):
on to Brady and and Brady would get on Rabes
and those those wars that practice. What's the first thing
that comes to your mind? A tough soob.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
You know, a football player, a guy that has knowledge
of the game as a player and as a coach,
and he's from Ohio and let me tell you, Ohio
football is underrated. And you learn a lot about you know,
football and who you are, you know as a person,
as Well, when you grow up in the state of Ohio.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
How do I know that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Because I played my senior year in Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh
was a big rival. Just the state of Pennsylvania was
a big rival to the state of Ohio, and you
got the Pittsburgh versus Ohio, you know whatever that you know,
all Star games and uh just have you know, just
our tough, tough players come out of you know, come
out of the state Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
They're very similar.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
They're kind of underrated compared to you know, you always
hear about Florida, California, or Texas. All that's where all
the starts, all the tough guys come from, you know,
the Upper East, you know, in the US like Ohio, Pennsylvania,
New York.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
But uh, he's he's a football guy football. Did you
just try to throw New York through New York? Did
you just try to sneakly throw New York football tough guys?

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Yeah, because I'm from Buffalo and I went to uh
you know, like I said, I went to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
But yeah, Buffalo they got some tough sobs here. I'm
telling you, they got they got me, they got my
brother who played in the NFL. My other brother who
played in the NFL too, And yeah, yeah, we're rolling, baby,
We're rolling, freaking. What's what stands out to me when
we were talking about him the other day though, is

(01:04:12):
how he.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Was drafted in the third round to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
And you told me that fact, and it was kind
of shocking to me because I thought he was a
New England Patriot from day one because of just all
the stories that you heard about him, just the way
that he played the game when he was in New
England and what he did for you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
The Patriots as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
So I had absolutely no clue that he got drafted
to the Steelers. Can you tell me how that happened
as well, how he got to New England because you
kind of were telling me a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Well, he was a teamer, I mean, he played in Pittsburgh.
I think he was drafted ninety seven, was a special teamer.
And then I think once he became a free agent,
Bill like really wanted him or something. Was that it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Yeah, So why does Bill have like this nag of
just finding these white dudes that just want to play football,
just work hard, and they're not so good at the moment,
and then he just blossoms.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
First thing, the guy sitting next to me like that,
I mean, that's his projector Nikovichikovich was a long snapper
welker in Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
I mean what what was he just kind of a
punt returner.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Yeah, seventy catches. Yet he had a big year. He
had a big year, not like a.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Huge year like he had in New England. For he
had a decent, solid year in Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
No, but yeah, Mike was the guy that Bill always
used to reference like you think you're smart, you're not
no frable like and that's that's when you know someone's
a smart football players when Bill's referencing him in mother
Fucking you you know like that. That was always kind

(01:05:50):
of like one thing that stuck out. And then just
hearing from like Jimmy Whalen the training staff on how
vrabel was in the locker room like hell, Corey was
like hey, him and Willie Mack and Brew like he
there was like the holy trinity of guys that everyone
had to walk through that kept everyone accountable. And I'm
really you know, I'm pretty excited. I'm excited for this

(01:06:11):
this new generation of Patriots. Now, with that said, I
still think the whole Mayo situation that he got the
short end of the stick on this, and I feel
terrible for him, and I think he's gonna do well,
but like that really wasn't set up to really succeed,

(01:06:32):
not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
I think goes a little bit unfair. But shout out
to Mayo because he's a great coach. He knows the
game of football tremendously, and uh, you know, I just
think that it wasn't set up properly for him, And
I feel like he's gonna have some success in the future,
you know, with another organization and possibly be another head
coach down the road, you know, once he gets his
footback on the gas pedal.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
But Rabel coming in now, like all this stuff that
you hear keeping guys accountable, like he's gonna be the
first doing and he can he can get away with
saying things to guys the way he says it because
he did it, he played it, and he's just as

(01:07:14):
smart as the guys that coached him at it. So
like when you have all those things and he's a
burly motherfucker, like he's a big man. When you shake
his hands, his hands wrapped to your wrists. He's got
big ass hands, strength, man strang. I still think he
got four or six plays in him. You think he
could play right now? Four sixth plays?

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Yeah, four to six plays, like you know that offensive
package of New England Patriots had for him. And talking
about that offensive package, I think he had ten catches
his whole entire career for ten touchdowns. So what a
fucking from touch The TV is one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
That's in all time insane.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
And that's just how smart of a player he was,
is that he knew how to get open on the
offensive side of the ball and on top of it,
on the defense side of the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
I mean, just eight of and just just how good
he was just knowing the game. You know what makes
me so sad? Though?

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
What's sad? Because what makes you sad? Now you're making
me sad.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
No, it makes me sad because we always hear about
the stories about Brady when he was like the young
guy on the team and how Rabel and Bruski and
all these guys used to like motherfuck him and it
was it was and picked on him. It was a
completely different Tom that we played with so like we
and like you couldn't. There was only a couple guys
kept really good jaw with Tom, but everyone was so

(01:08:31):
scared to do it, and Tom would be hungry to
jaw with people like talk shit, but like everyone was
so scared to talk shit to Tom because he was
already Tom by then, you know, like it was. It
almost makes me like, man, I wish we got to
see him in those those early stages where you were
more kind of part of the boys, instead of him
being like the older brother, h guy figure. You understand

(01:08:54):
that Rabel was like that older brother figure to Tom. Yeah,
and we didn't get to see any of that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
We got this the time where he was our older
brother and it would have been amazing to be a
part of that crew. But we're just the second, you know,
era of the New England pages. But there were so
many times, like you said, in the training room and
the coaches that were around very able, like oh, you
would have loved the guy so much, you would have
loved to play with him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
He gives it all. He gives it his all out
on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
I mean, he's a guy that you want to be
friends with as well in the locker room because he's
just fun to be around, but also at the same time,
he's going to go all out for you out on
the field. I mean he was a grinder, yeah, I
mean gritty, great size as a player, and he was
an inside outside.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Threat, first tier out there out in the field.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
And I think that's why Bill loved him so much,
because how versatile he was a special teamer, could play
inside backer and outside backer and when to When Bill
gets a guy like that, he utilizes their skill and
so many different aspects of the game and he makes
you a tremendous a player and he blossoms you like
no other. And that's why Bill loves those type of

(01:09:56):
guys when he can get him in free agency one percent.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Think about it, like he's played on every phase of
the game at a high level in an important game.
He's been a teamer. So like when he's addressing the
team and he's watching fucking the film or having like
a highlight thing that he's probably presenting the team, he
can break down guy for guy because he's done it

(01:10:20):
at the pro level. On defense, he knows everything about
defense because he's you know, he basically was in the
school of doctorates on the defense through Belichick, learning through
him and then actually being on the field and experiencing
it is another way he gets to coach guys and
then an offense, Like, yeah, he was in a package

(01:10:41):
or two, but I remember going and going on the
other side of the ball when I had to play corner.
Like even being in those meeting rooms for the little
amount of time that I was, it opened up my
mind so differently on how I thought about offense when
I went back to offense and how I was attacking
the defense. He's done that on offense, Like he can
break down the whole the whole game, and he's a

(01:11:04):
masculine figure that's gonna make you do it right, and
if you don't, he's gonna motherfucker you get rid of you.
He's gonna make people accountable. That's how it was the
Patriot way that it was developed through these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
I mean, and just just talking about his knowledge of
the game and just the mastermind he has within the
rule book of the NFL as well. Remember in the
twenty nineteen playoffs, Rabel intentionally took a twelve man on
the field penalty just to keep Brady off of the field.
I mean, he kind of outplayed Belichick in that situation

(01:11:37):
because Belichick was the master of knowing the rules inside
and out and using that to his advantage. And this
is a time when Rabel used it to his advantage
and it was against the mastermind coach Belichick. So I
learned that pretty incredible by him to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
I learned about that little mastermind bullshit is when we
went to the Kentucky Derby one year and he fucking
was He was my handicapper for the horses, and I
made like twenty gard in, like Rabel loves like that
kind of shit. We were sitting there and I have
no clue on how to gamble these horses, and raveses
over here got his dip in. I think he had
a cigarette, maybe a shot or two in him, and

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he's fucking c Yeah, he was smoking with a dip in.
I'm not joking.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
I love this guy now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
And we go and we go to the little thing
where you have to put your ship in, and I'm like, Raves,
what I do? He's like, don't worry at him, And
I got you. You know, he fucking puts them on there.
We hit it like a three thing parlay or something.
He's just a smart guy. He's a smart guy that
like can beat you up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
What's the biggest thing in year one that he has
to emphasize in New England?

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
What do you think, Jules, Well, you gotta get some lineman.
H you gotta get some right there, he gotta. They
got a whole lot of money to spend. Now, knowing
Mike through the years that I've known him, I'm sure
he took this job knowing that he Uh, he's going
to be able to spend some money.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
He's in a great situation heading into his first year. Obviously,
he's got Drake May who's an unbelievable quarterback. He's going
to develop him to best of his potential, no doubt
about that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Uh, he was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
I would say Josh McDaniels, Josh McDaniels go there, but
he has to go through the whole process. Maybe he
has a guy or two out there that he's thinking
about bringing in, but uh, he's going through all that
hiring process.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Interview. I think that would But Josh McDaniels would be
the best face just anywhere. He ain't. He ain't and
he loves it there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I believe Josh is one of the best offensive coinators
in the league as well. I mean he knows how
to develop players. He developed, helped develop team he developed,
You developed, Tom put me in the right situations all
the time when I was in New England. He knows
how to relate to guys as well, which is really good.
I mean, uh, you need that, you know, with these

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young bucks these days.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
I mean, he made mac Jones a pro bowler in
his rookie years, then he left.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
And then ain't no pro bowler.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
From there on out. No, there hasn't been. Hasn't been.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
I'll contribute all that to most of that to McDaniel.
But these mcdse I like the name. I never heard that.
I don't know what about Rabel. He took Ryan Tannehill
out of Miami. Everyone thought he was gonna be out
of the league, and he basically made him into a
pro bowler, basically got the number one seed in the
playoffs and almost made the Super Bowl. Yeah, you know,

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a couple of years with him too. So he knows
how to develop quarterbacks. He knows how to get the
best out of guys because he brings that type of
energy you know, on the field, in the meeting rooms,
to get the best out of players. And that's why
I hear about Rabel, and that's why people love playing
for him out of the guys that I know in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
I think he just feels safe when you're around him.
I feel safe. I feel like whenever he was whenever
we hang out, we've gone out and done things together,
I just feel safe. Feel he's just burly he and
he's also got the wit and like the strategy to
like if something's some ship were to happen in like
a bar or something like, he know an escape route,

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maybe take down like seven eight people himself and then
get us. Like, he just feels safe with a guy
like Rabel. He's the guy you you want your daughter
to marry. I feel I don't know about that, all right,
all right, well, well I like what you're saying. You
feel safe around. You want your daughter to marry someone
that around.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
So Jewels.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Man, I'm excited for him. I'm sad for Mayo. This
is like a This is really like one of those
things where it's like a divorce. This is why New
England keeps on putting me in these goddamn divorces. I
feel like a kid that's had like five divorced parents.
What can you explain more? Well, when Bill and Brady

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that divorce. Yeah, now you know Mayo freaking Rabes that divorce,
there's like fucking hell because we're all like intertwined and
it's kind of like in ssual.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
You're kind of like the red headed step child that's
just been there throughout the whole time. That's just takes
all the beatings, but in the end you're gonna still
be standing there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Make it tough. It does make you tough, makes you
tough man, and that's why you're the toughest guy I know. Jules. Also,
i'd be I'd be crazy to say that. Yeah, our
last game with Tom Brady Rabell beat us. That's why
Verbel's back. That's why he's back. If he didn't win
his cleats over there, if he didn't win that game,

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he might not be back. He might not be the
head coach of the New Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
And maybe he wouldn't because maybe he he sent Tom
Brady packing in his last game as a New Patriot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
That's probably his greatest Like, that's probably what he said.
The first line in the interview. Did he say that, No,
I'm just saying I would. But hey, mister Kraft, who
sent Tom packing, I bet you he said that. I
bet you he has no filter where he probably would
say ship like that. He's he's the only player to
have two touchdowns in a sack in a game offense

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and defense. I mean his versatility. Is there any other
coach out there that you think could beat up Rabel?
I think a good fight would be Dan Campbell and him.
Oh point, but that I'm taking Rabes because Rabes d
n Kimble. He was a tight end. Yeah, so what

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what are you saying about tight ends jewels? They're just
not that tough.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
They're not as tough as I agree, you're one of one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
I agree with your title.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Ones ain't as tough as d ns, and the d
ns are beastly, man, Deans are huge.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
You gotta be fearless, Mile Ryans. He could be in there.
They all say McDermott is like a wrestler, iowast, but
I'm I think Rabes is a wrestler too. And Rabes
used to go against fucking Steve Neil all the time,
which Steve Neil was World champions, So Rabes already got
a little in on that. So I think he's I
think Rabes is taking it's just weight weight class on

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on McDermott. And he may have the skilled technique, but
Rabel would swallow him. Oh ship, What kind of dude
is Mike Rabel?

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
I mean he's stud no doubt about it. Football IQ's
up there the pedigree. He's also a wizard. He does
like every position he also has he does. I mean
he's got the best chin in football other than like
the coach coward, like having a nice chins of stock.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Like he looks like the Ohio guy. When you put
Ohio guy in dictionary for like recruit, it's like big
white guy, big chin looks like Mustafa from fucking Beauty
in the Beast. Yeah, I never seen Beauty in the
Beast Or is that one? I don't know, Gustaf, you
know Gustav or something, Yeah, I never seen it. Freak.

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I mean, he he had like man's strength, that's what
everyone always talked about. His man's strength. Dog. Definitely a dog,
no doubt he could be a lot room guy. I
was thinking Whiz. I was gonna go with Whiz.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
I mean, just how clutch he was in situations and
just how knowledgeable he was.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
And he's offense. He's a dude's dude in the Patriot world,
like in bizarro world, which is not really like everywhere
else where, Like being an asshole and bullying is like
being positive there. So you know that's positive because it
makes you accountable. So I wouldn't put him in the

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overall category of dudes. Dude, I would go on three,
what do you think one, let's go on three, one, two, three. Whiz.
He's definitely a whiz.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
I mean, special teamer, knows that game inside and out. Defense,
I mean clearly played defense, was one of the best
out there, one of the toughest. And then I knew
what to do on the offense side of the ball
to touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
He's a whiz. And then also he's a whiz the
fucking belichicking the Belichick with the timeout of the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Twelve man on the fid men on the field.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
You know, so wizard, he's a whiz. Next our next guest, though,
I think we should go over to the Alabama side.
We're fair, We're fair, We're very fair. This guy, though,
was never fair on a goal line play, or he
was never fair on a second and ten in the
Super Bowl or second in goal in the Super Bowl

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where he had to make a life changing play to
create and tackle h Marshawn Lynch. This guy had the
hugest calves I've ever seen. Next guest, Dante Hi Tower, Danta,
I mean Dante Hi Tower, Dante Dante hi Jan even
I know it's Dante. I'll get into it after Ai.

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And which a I have to say about Dante because
we know him is the AI synopsis. Obviously I'm improving my.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Speaking skills because I couldn't say synopsis on our very
first episode, Julianna, and now I can't. So this is
what's so great about Dudes on dudes is that we're
getting smarter as being complete dudes overall. Synopsis, synopsis. All right,
here we go the synopsis or Dante Hier this week.
He's a former NFL linebacker. Dante high Tower is a
former NFL linebacker known for his leadership and versatility on

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the field. A two time Pro Bowler, high Tower played
his entire nine year NFL career with the New England Patriots,
the same amount of years I played with the New
England Patriots, nine, helping the team win three Super Bowl titles,
just like myself, helping the New England Patriots win three
Super Bowl titles. I love this guy already. Prior to
the NFL career, he was a standout at the University

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of Alabama, where he was a key figure and winning
two BCS national championships. This freezing guy is a winner,
that's all I know. Five championships at the highest level,
two in college, three in the NFL. Over what over
a thirteen to fourteen year period. Ridiculous winner winner Chicken Danner,
that's for sure. Born and raised in Lewisburg, Tennessee. Oh,

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the walls must not like him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
That's I don't want to wow. Maybe he didn't want
to go to Mayo's fin steps. Oh, shots fired all right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
High Tower was known for his high football IQ and
relentless work ethic. After retiring in twenty twenty two, high
Tower joined the Patriots coaching staff while also pursuing business ventures,
spending time with his family, and engaging and charity charitable work,
earning admiration for his calm and thoughtful demeanor.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Off the field. Oh that's my guy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
He is calm and does have that demeanor of being relaxed,
but he will rip your freaking head off, face off.
He'll bring your arm off.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
What's the first thing that comes to mind when you
think about Dante. I'm scared of Dante Hi Tower.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
But the first thing that comes to mind right now
is I'm looking at the picture of him in high
school and he looks exactly like Matthew Slater, but with
big ears, like alf years. So if you can put
that up, please and show everyone he's he was Matthew
Slater in high school with alf ears.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
I just looking at the picture. Pretty pretty dog slay dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Shot fire more shots fire that former teammates, Pum pum.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
We love shooting shots at our former teammates.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Please shoot them back.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
We appreciate that there's one guy who can't handle our
shots fired at him. Think of it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Yeah, but theh Tower was such a better linebacker than yeah,
short linebackers. But all right, back to Dante. All right,
here's my story. This guy I was scared of. Actually
he was what first round pick, New England pager, like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Top top fifteen or so. When you have a linebacker that's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Twenty fifth six, what is he six four six three,
you know, six and can move like he's a little guy.
I'm scared of those guys. You want to know why,
because they got that leverage. He's not a little guy,
You're just massive. No, I'm scared of those I don't
know why those guys. I'm scared of those big guys

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that are in the frame why of six you know,
one to six four and are wide as well, like
you just said, because they got that leverage and they
can get underneath me, and then that's when I lose.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
And I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Juill see, I gotta outsmart these guys, so Dante, I
had to, you know, try to outsmart them on the
football field and going versus them in practice. And that
was just to not get touched by him, you know,
try to run away from him because he was always
gonna win versus me and camp.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
I was a rookie. I was coming off that ankle injury.
I wasn't a rookie. He was a rookie. I was
coming off the ankle injury. When you know that guy in.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Baltimore and broke my ankle. Pollard, Yeah, very very so.
I didn't really heal that well that whole year at
South Padre Island spring break, my cast and everything came
back every time in my ankle was good. It really wasn't,
you know. But don't tell Bill, Bill, don't listen to that. Okay,

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you've done things like that too, Jewels, So that's gonna
make me feel better just saying that. But uh, I
can't get open. I'm not doing this well in training camp.
My back's tarting to go out of me because I'm compensating.
I'm just making excuses right now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Why Dante, you know, dominated me when he was a rookie.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
But this guy, when they're that wide, they're built that strong.
You could just tell he had that presence of Yo,
I ain't gonna move that guy. No one's really gonna
move that guy, being sixty three two hundred and sixty pounds.
And I accidentally like caught him one time running your route.
I tried going around him and like we caught like
shoulders or something. It can't exactly pinpoint what it was,

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and like it was kind of like a cheap shot
on him, but it was totally accidental, and I yeah,
it wasn't a chip. It was like he was at
the linebacker position kind of stepping up for the run
and kind of ran into you. I think I kind
of face masked him or something and then.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Like yanked it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
He turned around and he was furious. He was vicious,
and I was like, oh man, he took it to
a whole other level. The next play versus me, and
I literally learned I will never piss off Dante High
Tower ever again.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
You got to piss it. You mustn't do something crazy,
because I never really seen him pissed off. Yeah, he
was mad, man, he was mad.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
The guy's a freak. You can't really block him in
the run game. You can't really stop him in the
past game either if he's rushing at you because he
can move so well and can get around you, or
he can bowl rush you. So the guy man freak
of an athlete, no doubt about that. And I swear
if you go to a barbecue with him, he'll eat
like fifteen pounds of like Rabbi steak.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
And Briskey can eat. When'd you see me whatever at
those team outings that we have and like it turns
in the muscle right on the street muscle.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Yeah, like you know how the Wolverine character or whatever,
and like the Hawk like they just you know in
those movies, like whatever, we do they just you know,
turn into the creature that they are, Like, that's what
he did when he ate ate that food.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
He just turned into Dante hitar dude. Well, I mean
his nickname was Zeus, which is like huge, huge Greek.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
I remember, like really, he was a rookie and I
was already telling him that he's going to sign a
one hundred million dollar deal at the middle linebacker position.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Did you yeah, how'd you know? Because I was facing Brison.
I'm like, this guy freaking good. He good. He can
move cover, he can you know, stop the run, he
can do it all. I mean, Scar, he looks like
the predator out there because he has dreads, like early
in his creating. But when he got dreads and you're
that big and wide, Dante looks like he has two
houses for calves. His calves are so damn big. Is

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the largest cat. I used to tell him that every
day I walk by, he'd be in his sandals. We'll
be walking by each other in the hallway. I see
his cap, Like, bro, can you fucking ease up on
the calf raises? Jesus Christ, it wasn't the calf raises,
it was the brisket. It was probably the Brits call
right to his cast, right to Drew, right to his

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calv And Dante was a smart ass football player, smart,
very smart football player. And I remember going to his
house once and I walked over there and he, like
you said, he's just like a he's a quiet he's
kind of quiet, but he's vicious. And I go to
his house and I'm like, is that a fucking video
game station with keyboard in mouse? Dante high Tower is

(01:28:24):
a keyboard guy in the video games. I go, what
the fuck is this bro? He goes, what, bro? Whatever?
You know, he's like a whiz. He's a fucking whizz,
this guy. He's insane on call of duty too. Don't
don't let him. Don't let him trick you and think
he's not. He's a fucking gamer. He used to he
was really good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Well that's why he's a football coach now for the
New England Patriots football because you gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Be smart, you gotta be a whiz in order to
be a coach. How do you think he's doing a
coaching I feel like he's doing fine. How do you
think they're feeling over there now?

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
I feel like Dante's always feeling good.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Man. He's never down an even guy. He is, man,
he really is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
He's the guy that had the ultimate pass from Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
He always had. That's how scary he was that coach
was even scared of him. I don't think coach is
scared of him. Coach loved He wasn't scared of him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Man, He loved him because he was He was a
well built football player and he played the game how
it should be played Bill, and Bill loves guy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Yeah he did. We're offense. That's why we never got
loved Jules.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Who else had the Bill pass? Basically a male had
that pass. He could do whatever he wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
And Bill that's fine. You know. Devin Belichick mccordy, I
mean that's one of his sons. I think that's his
actual middle name. Now who else was another one? In past?

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
We mean, like you know, if they didn't want to practice,
or if like there, you know, hamstring was a little sore,
they be coach.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
I can't I can't go to the coach. But no problem,
just hang out in the training room and get it
rubbed on.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
No, I was thinking more of the past. You know,
how has been over here testing the guys around a
show like, Hey, who's this guy? Who's that guy? Well,
for the offense, he'd be like, hey, Rob, what's the
exotic front of the defense that you expect to see
on third and two? And Rob's sitting there like going
through the What the fuck? Hey, Devin, what color is

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the offense that we're playing? If they're at home?

Speaker 5 (01:30:23):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
I think green? Yes, good job, Like that's the past
we're talking about. Or like whenever you give a question
to like the defensive line, like do these guys like
to run the ball or pass the ball? They got
Derek Henry, I'm like, uh, coach, I'm on offense, I
think they like to run the ball. God, hey, gentlemen,

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what is the punter? What school did he go to?
I mean, that's that's the past we're talking And Dante
got that. Bill love Dante and it was deserving. Dante
was He was one of the alphas. He sat in
the Teddy Bruski locker when you walked into the I
think it was either the Teddy Bruski or the Willie
mac locker. They'd always put those two guys in because

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when you had to walk in the locker room, you
had to walk by those guys. He was one of
those guys. I mean he was. He was a great teammate.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Where would you rank him as an all time you know,
Patriot player on the defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
I mean, he's got to be up there. I mean,
we wouldn't had the Super Bowl if he didn't make
that second down, the second down goal line player.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
That's very true what you said. We would have never
won that Super Bowl. That Malcolm Butler catch would have
never happened because Marshawn Lynch would have scored already. And
everyone talks about, hey, why didn't Marshawn Lynch get you know,
the handoff or why didn't they hand off the ball? Well,
there was a play prior to that wasn't It wasn't
the exact play before. Well, Marshawn Lynch did have the ball.
And what happened one on one with Dante high Tower.

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And you never seen Marshawn Lynch never go down ever
one on one on one and literally Dante high Tower
is the only guy that can you know, possibly do that,
and he knocked him right down and he stopped him
in order to the next play, in order to get
to the next play that Malcolm Butler had that interception,
so they already gave it to Marshaun Lynch to have
that chance to score. So without Dante high Tower, we

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would have never had that, you know, first super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
In New England, no doubt about him.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
And then and another big play that he has had,
you know in his career was that stripsack in the
game that unfortunately I didn't play in because my backup
blown out when I went up to see him because
Tom threw me up to see him earlier that year
and then I got leveled and lost a lung in
them back and I still came back the next year.

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But yeah, in that Super Bowl vers Atlanta, that strip
sack Man, So just continue the domination of the comeback.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
That was an incredible play. He comes through in the
clutch at all times. I still who blew your back out?
Earl Thomas? We're not going that deep about who blew
my back out? It was It was a dude, though.
It was a dude.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
His name was Earl Thomas.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
He's a Torpedo. Yeah, Torpedo was a big player that
you can recall. The guy always had a big play
when the team needed I mean you go back into college.
In the National Championship, he had a sip sack. That's
the kind of player Dante was. Fucking when your team
needed a big play, a big moment, he was super versatile.
I remember him. He'd be middle linebacker and we put
him at defensive ends sometimes because you could rush a

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passer like. He just was big time player to make
big time plays. That is a huge contribution why I
have three super Bowl rings, you have four. There's a
huge part of it. I mean, we wouldn't have been
there without him. You know, I'd always call him. If
you see how his name's spelled, it's don't a with apostrophee,
and so I used to call him Danta very you know,

(01:33:43):
I used to call him a Danta in not locker room.
He go, jeels, don't you fucking call me Danta? I go,
why not, Danta? He goes, because if you fucking call me,
all these white people out here in Boston they're gonna
be calling me Danta. Don't you fucking call me Danta.
My name is Dante. I'm like, all right, Danta, Jules,
even I knew it was Dante. You must you must,

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you must have.

Speaker 6 (01:34:06):
Had a bad days. I just wanted to call him
Dante to make fun of him time. Well, what kind
of dude is he? What kind of dude is the
kind of dude to Dante? I mean, Dante, you're getting
me on that freaking.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
I'm telling you, whatever you do, if you see Dante,
do not call him Dante. He'll get really mad at you.
He'll blame it on me. He'll fucking blame it on me.
Don't call him Dante. What kind of dude is Dante?
I mean he's he looks like a goddamn stud. He
does look like a stud. He's a freak too. I
mean he's got house for calves.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
I feel like he's he hits categories.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
He's a dudes. Dude, he's a dude. Yeah, he hits
them all on three. Let's let's see which one on three? Hold.
I gotta think about it real quick. All right, I'm
gonna go because.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
He's all five, so let me try to pinpoint it
down the one on three, one, two, three.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
I think I think he's a whiz. That's why he's
a coach now. He is a coach.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Yeah, and he knew the game of football like no other.
I mean he's got a national champion has he has?
He has five you know, championship said, and like.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
He was a first round linebacker. He had a lot
of hype coming in and he backed up all the
hype he did. He like, you know what I mean,
he's a large. I mean he's a freak too. I
mean he made big plays in big situations. He's got
a pedigree, he's got football IQ, and he looks like
a Greek god.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
But making big plays in a big game is a whiz, Jules,
because he knew when to make that play to turn
it around for the team.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Yeah, he is like a but I would I would say,
though we're trying to categorize it into what like he
most represents. A whiz is a guy that doesn't have
the freak abilities and they get through because they're so smart,
and they're not getting through because they're a freak or
a stud. So that's how you become a true wiz.

(01:36:08):
So therefore, he was getting through as a freak and
a stud and a dog. So he can't technically be
a whiz because being a whiz didn't really lead him
to where he needs to be. Maybe now as a coach.
Going back to that, I'm gonna have to categorize him
as a stud or a freak.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
So let's go. Let's go back at it again and
try again. Ready, one, two, three? Stud for he saw
his cats. You just it would scream stud. Let's get on.

Speaker 7 (01:36:41):
Vince will Fork, big dog, Vince welfor big v Oh
my god, I wonder why something?

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Thanks for something? The Black Thanksgiving is his favorite holiday.
I bet start the clock. What's he? I gotta say,
Vince Welfork.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
He had six foot two and weighing around three hundred
and twenty five pounds, played as a dominant nose tackle
in the NFL three primarily I think he was like
three fifty at one point in sixty primarily played for
the New England Patriots and later for the Houston Texans.
Growing up in boy Town Beach, Florida, I think so
Boyton Boyton, boy Tom Beach, Florida, will Fork was a

(01:37:21):
track and field standout before switching to football at the
University of Miami. Selected twenty first overall in the two
thousand and four draft, he was known for his strength, size,
and ability to stuff the run, often drawing double teams
and anchoring defenses with his power and scale. Over his career,
will Fork recorded five hundred and sixty tackles, sixteen sacks,
and three interceptions, earning two Super Bowl championships five Pro

(01:37:44):
Bowl selections in a reputation as one of the best
defense tackles.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Of his era.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
Known for his charisma and a love for barbecue, he
has remained a beloved figure off the field, where his
big personality and big hits made him a fan favorite.
That's a lot by Ai, the long synopsis. That's the
longest one we had so far. But Vince deserves it. Yeah,
deserves it. He's the biggest guy so far we've been
talking about. He's about three hundred and sixty five pounds.

(01:38:10):
I think they got it got it wrong there. This
guy can eat you up.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Man. He's lost a lot of weight now, he sure has.
He looks really good, man, He really good. It looks
good on him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
It's just sad that you know he's not coming back though,
you know, because every good player you always have that
imagination that they're going to come back.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
He never he always thought, vin I think Ve can
still play. You just have that thought about him. What's
the first thing that comes to your mind when you
think about Big V the barbecues.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
You know, he came out with his own barbecue saw
some pretty sure. Mister Kraft used to have that team
get together, team bonding at his house in the Cape
after you made the team. It was right at the
end of August. What howday's at right the end of August?

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Labor Day?

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Yeah, Labor Day yep, and uh, it was Labor Day
week and we would all go up there and it'd
be ribs or be you know, steaks, and here comes
Big V coming through and he brings his own barbecue sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Every single year.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
And I wouldn't eat those ribs or a sar line
or you know, the burger meet until that barbecue sauce
got there. And once Big V showed up, Hey, Big
V passed that sauce over, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
He loved it too, man. He loved being known about
that sauce. And he just loved just the atmosphere around
a cookout.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
For I was fortunate enough to get invited to one
of his cookouts. He smokes some ribs. He was into
some big ass overalls with no shirt smoking ribs. He
just looks at home when he's on a barbecue. He
looks like that's he's at home. The first I remember
when I was a rookie. He's comfortable. That's just comfort
zone for him. It is I remember my rookie year.

(01:39:45):
My welcome to the NFL moment was like I was
rolling in, like my Toyota rental and I park it
in the way back of the players a lot, and
all of a sudden, there's this fucking huge semi a
fucking semi truck rolls in and parks up right in
the and takes like two damn spots backs in backs

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in this big ass orange semi truck. It's fucking Vince's
daily driver. Vin's had like a huge semi truck daily driver.
He gets out of thinking and it looked just like
him in front of the barbecue, just a comfort zone
for him. Just a big ass dude getting out of
a big ass truck. Big v was just fucking so cool.
That was like my first welcome bed and I was like,

(01:40:27):
holy shit, I don't even know you can buy semi trucks.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Well, speaking of welcome to the NFL, he gave me
my welcome to the NFL dosage of a.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Hit Wooden training camp rookie year. You know the wham block.
What's the wam block explained?

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Where they let go the guy let go. That's the
just defensive tackle free, so then he thinks he's gonna
go get a sack. And then a wham block is
when I come across the line of scrimmage at the
tight end position, when I'm off the ball, and I'm
the one that goes, and I wham the defensive.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Tackle and try to block on make a trap for
this tight end.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
There you go exactly and we're trapping the defensive tackle,
so he knows it's coming.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
I mean, this is a specialty play that the New
England Patriots been running nine nine seven. They know the
fucking script well before me. Yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
It was it was a nine nine to seven, so yeah,
the defense does know the script so they can look
really good in the run game throughout that whole period.
And I think they also told him this play was coming,
uh being specifically knowing I'm on the black Vince, and
they wanted to see my toughness as a rookie. So
the players called I'm in full Paz. You know, I'm

(01:41:32):
a wam block. I got to show my toughness. I
got to show my keeps. I got to get the
respect of my fellow teammates, especially the veterans.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
Way, let me paint the picture. Also, Rob's a rookie here.
Vive was like the big dog on campus. In practice.
No one really gets close to him because you don't
want to piss him off. When you're new, you know,
it's like, holy shit, is that a that is a
large human being. He's like so big, I think there's
like something that orbits him, like on how round he is?

(01:41:59):
Like that's you didn't want to get in his way.
He didn't want to piss him off because he was
very intimidating. Get back to your story. So the play,
you know, gets on its way. Do my little to
you know, two side steps, you know on the motion.
I'm running full speed right at Vince Wolford. This guy
peeks over to his left. He sees me coming. He

(01:42:20):
has this grin on his face. Knowing I was coming,
he put his shoulder down. I'm going full speed at him,
and he gets that leverage and just tease off on me.
I went flying backwards five to six yards. I didn't
even land on my back. He sent me flying in
the air where I landed on my feet still. Oh

(01:42:40):
my god.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Yeah, and that hit hurt like a mother effort. But
what's cool is I gained the respect to my teammates
and my coach at that time, tight end coach, in
that meeting that day when we went and reviewed the playerings.
Brian Farrens, Love you, Brian Farrens. He's now at Iowa
with his dad doing, you know, doing his thing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
Doing a good job.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
He goes, Yo, what were you thinking trying to block
Vince Wolf for He goes, You're never gonna do that again.
I go, thank you, thank you. I go, I'll never
do it again. And ever since that day, you know,
we had about five more of those calls, and I
just go up to him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
I hug him.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
I didn't need to try to block him. It was
just only gonna get me hurt from there on out. Yeah,
I just give him a hug, like Vince No, No,
it's the way I'm black man. I know you're gonna
beat me, like, there's there's no reason to go through
this motion of me getting thrown backwards again.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
Oh my god, I'm gonna break a rib.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
He's so he's so sure you love your ribs and
you're gonna you know, you'll probably eat him and join
him after with your barbecue sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
Body. Oh my, that had to be so terrifying. It was,
well at that time, it was intimidating guy when you
joined the team.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Too, terrifying after that because I was trying to, you know,
gainer my keeps man like, I was trying to prove myself,
so I didn't care who was in my way.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
And then I learned, I do care who's in my way.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
Yeah, and when when it comes down to the NFL,
you gotta that's when you learn then when to you know,
take your shots to someone and when not to, when
to block someone hard, when to kind of like just
brother in law, box someone out as well, instead of
trying to hit him full speak and you hit him
full speed heads up. They you know, they're way bigger
than you. This is when you started learning the ins
and outs. And that's one ins and out. I learned

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big time.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
Freaking v And he was so quick too, Like that's
what people don't realize, like they just surprisingly.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Quick because of how big he was and his feet
he had fast feet. Man, he was kind of like
a running back. That pitter patters, like whoa big burp
right there, Jules. Wow, was the barbecue I ate from
five years ago with big vans and still coming out
we ate that much. I tasted that barbecue sauce right
that was good. But his feet were surprisingly click.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
He was like boom. He was a rabbit out there.
I remember always going in the weight room and you
go over by like the kettlebells and like the arm
bars and stuff, and there'd always be a shock put there.
Remember him. You ever see him shot put? And I
never have? Oh my god, he can shock. He was
a fucking track star. I think he had like the
state record.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
He had strength too. I remember like he wouldn't go
in the weight room to just like warm up, you know,
do three fifteen like five. He would just go in
the weight room just to you know, maintain his strength.
And he would just walk in and I remember him
just throwing up like four hundred and twenty five pounds
in the bench and just tossing it up then racking
it and be like I'm done for today. Yeah, Like

(01:45:22):
he didn't even need to work on his strength that
much because he was just that strong naturally and like
it was to a whole nother level.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
Yeah. I remember seeing him in the weight room toom
he like Marcus Cannon. When he would work out, the
weights would bend. He was just so strong and he
had always great movement like he was very He was
very skillful, like fluid fluid. Like when you watch Big
V throw football, he looks like like he spins the
ball really well. You see him hit a golf ball.

(01:45:51):
He fucking has an unbelievable golf swing. I mean, the
guy is so athletic. He used to return punts in
high school. Like I remember, you know, Bill always every
training camp when it's getting to like day nine ten,
guys who are worn down, beat up mentally, physically, emotionally exhausted,
he'd always have a big lineman come in and try
to catch a pun and if you caught punch, you'd

(01:46:12):
have the night off. He threw v up there and
it looked too fucking easy. I think he went in
snagged that thing was.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
He was so athletic. He could have played fullback. I
swear he could play running back and it gets gained
some yards before going down tight end. He could definitely
play I heard him talking about this too as well.
He could play defensive end obviously, anywhere on the defensive line,
and he, like you said, quarterback as well.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
He had an arm.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
He loved being you know, before practice was going on,
you know, before we get really got into it, he'd
be chucking the ball, you know, to his fellow defensive players,
having a good old time. He was just so disruptive
as well. And he was kind of like the two
gap god when he was, you know, on that defensive
line and being able to take two gaps. You know

(01:46:56):
how much Steff Freese, that linebacker, that's a linebacker's best
friend right there, Vince Well, I.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
Mean, Drod Mayo, Dante high Tower, Jamie Caul, they all
love them. They all do it. And guys like they
love guys that take double teams. Lets you get to
that fucking kind of Big V just said. Big V
has so many stats. He had so much production for
the amount of stats he had, because he had such
hidden things that made plays go. It was unblockable, and

(01:47:25):
you take two double teams, they can never get the
guy to the second level. Like he just was fucking
a monster. And we wanted to talk about him on
this show specifically because because what is he known for
on Thanksgiving, Jules, He's the one that created the butt but.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
The force, the generator of the butt fumball versus the
New York Jets. Sanchez, Oh my god, he did that before.
Like he it's where he gets so much penetration.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
He drives his guy back so far that it hit
the quarterback with the guy that he was driving backs.
But that made him fumble the football and Steve Gregory
scoop score in his home area of New Jersey, which
was just a fucking crazy game. That comes to my
mind when I think events of some of his crazy stories.

(01:48:24):
But also remember when we were in Buffalo and he
read out the receivers Stron what was he rewarded with?

Speaker 5 (01:48:30):
Though?

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
After that we had the turkey on the post game,
he had the turkey leg. He had the turkey leg.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
He rewarded with a turkey leg during the post game
for his contribution to the butt.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
Fumble, and he ate that thing. He ate it all.
Not surprised. So what was it that you were talking
about in Buffalo? Remember in Buffalo where they had that
receiver screen and v read it and he was full
full speed and a receiver was full speed, not seeing him,
and it looked like it looked like it was semi
hit like one of those little smart cars. Oh my god, gosh,

(01:49:00):
this this is the receiver.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Like he was up, he was up, and them like
your finger just got bent backwards in matter of a
split second.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Boom. That looked like the receiver right there. Boom. It's
not even that, it's not even the mass. Imagine if
he like fell on you going that fast, at least
you like a bug, like a fucking bug. I bet
you got his why out.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Of the air and it just explodes everywhere. That's kind
of what happened to the Bills Wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
And you always they flattened him, No, it was it
was that's a terrifying hit. Like that's like, that was
a terrifying hit. There's a lot of big hits that
you see. You're like, all right, you can you can
withstand that. But when it's it's straight physics. When you
got mass times velocity, you get forced, you get fucking force.
And that's what Big V was. I don't know if

(01:49:46):
that's right for you physics people get us in there.
But then also what about what about his interceptions? We're
talking big plays here. I mean he had that that
pick versus Philip Rivers at home in Gillette Stadium when
he was was that another screen or he was just
I think he was he got tipped or somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Yeah, did he tip it?

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
Did he tip it?

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Yeah, he tipped it to himself. He showed great ball
skills right there. And then then you saw your fast feet, yes,
and then he started just you know, trucking down the
field like a rabbit with his fast feet. He looked nimble,
and he looked agile and just rumbling down the field.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
I don't think anyone in the world that watched that play,
anyone in the world didn't want that big man to
score when a big man has because the ball looked
like a fucking like, uh, a paper talent is in
his armpit, a loaf of bread. I mean it pumper nickel,

(01:50:41):
pumper nickel. It looks so small and he's like running
it and like everyone is just sitting there, like, look
at the big big go Remember Komley also did that
and they kick off return packers. I love big man
get or score a touchdown, score touch his own. A soldier,
everyone loves it man. A soldier had that one the

(01:51:04):
Lions are doing it a lot. Lions are doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
We're speaking of Thanksgiving, you know, teams Lions in there,
you know, don't don't not expect a trick play to
alignment this Thanksgiving from the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
I mean, or a fake punt. You're gonna, You're gonna.
There's gonna be something like that. We we talked about
on this show a few weeks back. Tight End University
Day or Happy tight End Day, what's called National tight
End Day, National tight End There's got to be a
national big Guy touchdown Day or a big Guy catch Day.
It just needs to be national bing Like.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
It's a rule in the NFL book that you have
to at least run one tackle eligible, play.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
One tackle eligible. The guy has to be over two
and seventy five pounds and eighty five pounds has to
touch a football on one specific day, National Big Fat
Guy Day. I like that. That's what I think. We
like that. Who's gonna stay? I think we need Big V. Yeah,
Big V, come on, let's go. You remember in the
butt foomball game. I remember watching it the next day

(01:52:08):
in meetings. Bill rewinded it like four or five times,
barely said anything, and then like got up and talked
and he said, the Jets got exactly what they deserved,
like did something like one of those you know, do
you remember that. I actually was hurt that year duel.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
So I was at home just watching it from my couch,
just enjoying my Thanksgiving, and I just remember that play happening.
I was shocked because we were already dominating that, dominating.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
Dominating them.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
It wasn't even a close game at all. And just
when that happened, I was giggling to myself, like what
a play. I never seen anything like that. And I
was screaming too, because Gregory just scooped it like it
just didn't happen, a butt fumble and directly in his hands. No,
directly on the ground and directly in the Gregory's hand.
It went to the end zone of the Patriots as well.
We got six points out of it. It's like it

(01:53:00):
that doesn't happen usually, usually, like a play like that,
you know, usually someone just gets on it and it's
a fumble recovery.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
It went to the house. We scored on it. How
do you think sanchiz or Sanchito feels about that?

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
I mean, Sanchiz is a good dude, was a goofy dude,
so I think he kind of likes it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
I think he does owns it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Yeah, yeah, he does own it for sure. He'll giggle
about it for sure. It's kind of like the Miami miracle.
I own that play. Yeah, he's kind of like the
butt fumble with Sanchez. I mean it's okay, I mean,
it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
It's kind of like the two thousand and four or
two thousand and two frosh Off Championship between the Bee
Division Ocean Division. You know, I gave this interception away
and they won it on it. It's kind of like
you own it now, fucking him a I'll never own it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
It's bullshit. It's okay, Jules. One day you'll own it.
You'll get over it. It's okay, man, we're here for it.
Just be thankful for other things and then.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
You'll get over that. You know what. I'm also thankful for.
What are you thankful for?

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
We were a part of probably two of the craziest
play calls in the history of football. One the butt fumble. Yes,
what's more embarrassing the butt fumble? Or do you remember
when the Colts had that stupid punt formation that they tried.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
It sad it was fourth and two and they were
trying to get us on a trick more than four.
It was a weird formation they had, like everyone spread
out wide and then the center was down in distance
and then there was a running back behind the center
or something, and then they hiked it and everyone was
in like in shock, like what that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
Going? And that's the only reason I bring this up
is because the same shock factor that we had that like,
did that but just make that fumble and then we
scored a touchdown. That same shock factor is the same
shock factor we had when they did this punt formation thing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Did he really hiked the ball?

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
I'm not a math guy, but three on one, I'm
looking at the Colt sideline right here after the play.
Are you fucking serious? What is this? Like? This is
a National Football League and they're only down by six
in the third quarter. I don't know. That's the cults
for you. That was that was worse so than the
buff fumble. Yeah, because both that's made through force in

(01:55:17):
gravity exactly. The butt fumble was made by Vince in
that fucking three hundred and twenty five pound frame twenty
five pound frame, taking his matchup and driving him into
the fucking I'm flabberg acid. I didn't realize we were

(01:55:38):
going to get into that play. I think they rose
the banner that year. That's why I never lost. Was
that the banner year they rose? They never lost to
the Colt. Did we ever lose to the Colts? I
did in two thousand and nine four two, Yeah, so
it doesn't count. How about the big boy on Body Issues?
I mean he's he's not like it looks like muscle.
It is muscle.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
That's why I love the ESPN the Body Issue because
they featured everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
Yeah, and they were just showing how were you on it?

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
The statue? Yes, how the statue of the body representing
all different types of athletes, from a guy that played
tackle to a wide receiver to myself right there? Young,
You want to know, the running joke was about me,
I'm being on the Body Issue cover?

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
What was that? The circle? It was really small that
they needed to use. What circle? The cover? Me out? Yeah?
You know what, I didn't they tell you it was
going to be a small set, like there's not gonna
be a lot of people there.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
There really wasn't There's probably like five, five or six.
How many people were on your I feel like there
was thirty in mine.

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
Really thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
I wanted to see you, Jules. You're a good looking guy.
I had a wonderful body.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
Now, how did the How did the football stay on?
It's a good question.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
I was kind of adjusting it before every shot, and
then I kind of adjusted it so I kind of
found that niche did.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
You take to keep that thing staked up so you
could just post it on there?

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
No? No, it was actually one of the worst performance
looking days of my life. It was kind of chilly
in there. I felt like I felt like a frozen raisin. Yeah,
and I was just giggling at myself every time I
look back at the pictures.

Speaker 1 (01:57:20):
It was bad. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad.
I was embarrassed just looking at it myself. It was
crazy because like you would see like a picture after
you know, you'd go with the photographer and your your
wiener would be out and you'd see the picture and
then all of a sudden they'd be like, oh, don't worry,
we could just cut that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
Yeah, but you're sitting there worrying because you're like you're
gonna go tell everyone you know, and then that person
that's reviewing.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
I requested three degrees in the shoot set. It was
sixty ten minutes. What kind of dude is Vince will
fork stud A freak, a dog, a dude's dude, or
a whiz. I mean, he's a waste.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
He has a lot of intellectual and knowledge of the
game of football. I mean, he was a smart player.
That's why he knew that big play that he made
when we were talking about it versus the Buffalo Bills,
and he absolutely dominated the receiver on that screen across
the middle because he saw that play coming. He sniffed
it out like he was a wizard out there. That's
how he made majority of his play same with his interceptions.

(01:58:25):
He knew the screen was coming.

Speaker 1 (01:58:26):
He backed off.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
He knew that when he got dropped, he wasn't going
to just go to the quarterback and get a free sack.
He knew there must be a different type of play coming. Oh,
it's going to be a screen or it's a gimmick
or something. I mean, he was smart, bro, He was
very smart on that football field, I'm telling you. I mean, yeah,
he was a freak for his size, I mean three sixty,
just the way that he could move, his athletic ability
kind of a dude's dude as well, with his barbecues. Man,

(01:58:50):
inviting the guys over and having that barbecue sauce for everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
He's also a fucking dog. Yeah, he was a dog.
He was grimy in there. Oh yeah, when you're the
guy taking the dumble team the whole time, and you
know you have to go getting six hundred pounds every
fucking play because he's taking double teams every play, six
hundred pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
And he would take those double teams and kind of
just eat those double teams up, he really would, and
just let that linebacker just free to go in and
make the place.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
I mean, he's a fucking stud atletics. He is, man,
I mean he could shoot a basketball. I mean he's
insane thrower of the football. You watch his golf swing,
You're like, holy fuck, I think he's scratched golf. This
is a true tough one. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:59:30):
This is really tough to really categorize and pinpoint Vince
Wolfork to just one category.

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
Man, it's gonna be tough on three. What do you
expect one?

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
Man? Hold on, let me keep thinking about this. Man.
Oh alright, alright, one two three, freuiz ah man oh man,
I know, man, he is a freaked.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
Though, but he's he's so smart. Man, I'm telling you
he's a smart football player.

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
Yeah, but that goes into his freakiness where you think
a guy that looks like him is smart. He's great.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
He's great in commercials too, like you see him in
that stove commercials.

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
Now, like grilling and all that he's on TV.

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
But you also just sit there like smart large gotta
be smart large guy right now. That, like we said,
we're categorizing freaks. As you're just looking at someone You're like,
how can they possibly do that?

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
And that size also also like f can we say, yeah,
he's he's a wizard though. Can you agree with that?
I'm I mean, I always, I mean Bill talking about
how smart he is a football player instinctive.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
So I do agree he is a freak of nature.
I mean obviously to be that size, to move, you know,
to move that well on the football field, take on
double teams and just squash him. Just the way he
tackled guys too. They would go right down. There was
no mistackles by Vince Wallfork when he got your hands on.

Speaker 1 (02:00:49):
You, no, so he drape you down and he's swallow you.
All right, we'll try again. Let's do it again. One, two, three,
freak stamp it. We'll be right back after this quick break.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
I'm feeling pretty good off one beer? Are you actually
like seventh eighth of a beer?

Speaker 1 (02:01:08):
Math? Not one beer yet? Math guy? What is our
next guy?

Speaker 2 (02:01:11):
Isn't this the guy?

Speaker 1 (02:01:12):
The next guy isn't the guy that we play with?
Who do we got? Oh? We got number seventy six
by Michael By You freak we got? Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:01:22):
I don't want him to see me, like, don't show that,
like I just do a picture. I don't want to
come after me. He's a freak.

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
Yeah, he's a freak. But all right, all right, back
to Sebastian. I'm gonna have I'm gonna hire Sebastian to
be my body guy.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
A second round pick and I think two ten, two
thousand and nine, maybe some Bastian vomber Sebastian v aka
Sea bass Sea bass kick his assert the clock?

Speaker 1 (02:01:51):
What does a I have to say about him?

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
Bump bump bum Ai. Let's see if AI knows anything
done shumming people. Sebustan was a prolific offensive tackle for
the New England Patriots, known for his six eight frame
and three hundred and twenty pounds of strength.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
Strength, you know, strong if veritall, veritall. It made me
feel like a dwarf, like a little boy.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
Yeah yeah, I was a little boy out there actually.
Over his career, he started eighty of his eighty eight
games that he played, helping the Patriots win two Super Bowls,
super Bowl forty nine and Super Bowl fifty one.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
Born in Dosseldorf, Germany, Dolf dosl doof.

Speaker 2 (02:02:36):
Vohmer didn't start playing football until he was fourteen fourteen
fourteen four yeah one four nine. After retiring in twenty sixteen,
he became a booming NFL broadcaster in Germany, often acting
as a Patriots ambassador off the field. He's known for

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his down to earth personality and delicatetion to promoting football
in his home country and some fun facts real quick.
Volmer was one a barbecue cookoff in his neighborhood. What
a fun fact that is?

Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
Won a barbecue cookoff in his neighborhood. Ai man, Hey,
I where did you pull that from?

Speaker 5 (02:03:14):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
My he's an avid beekeeper.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
Oh my god, he's a beekeeper. He ate all his honey,
He ate all his honey.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
So he's six eight, that is why six a and
freaking tosses up weight like it's nothing, nothing, nothing, That's
where I was going. And he once accidentally locked himself
out of his own house while wearing only his underwear.

Speaker 1 (02:03:38):
That's on Ai, What the heck?

Speaker 2 (02:03:40):
I think I love Sebastian even more. That's a Sebastian
type move though. That's a sea bass move right there.
Oh my god, Seabach, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (02:03:49):
He was so large.

Speaker 2 (02:03:50):
But he was so large and so strong he could
have probably just lifted up his own house like you
know Patrick on SpongeBob, how he just lifts up the
rock in his house and goes And he should have
just lift up his house like threw it up in
the air real quick and then went under it, and
then he would have been fine.

Speaker 5 (02:04:04):
He lit.

Speaker 1 (02:04:05):
We all used to live next to each other h
in that street, Yeah, we did. He could definitely probably
lift that house up. What was the name of that
street again, was it Chay Lane? I was Shae Lane.

Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
I was at a bashroom with Shae Lane and then
you were pacing, but you were like half half a
mile if that away from us.

Speaker 1 (02:04:23):
Yeah, it was a bike right away. Yeah, bike ride
freaking Sea Bass. We were drafting the same draft he was.
He was such a big dude and he was he
was always really smart, Like he always had really great
questions to like Scarnako or Josh. I just remember him
always being able to like, hey, coach, but what if

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this happens on this and we're in this? You know,
like he had a really outgoing thought process of the
game for someone who never grew up around the game
m hm or like really or really knew the game. Yeah,
he like, how do he's he was playing at fourteen. Yeah,
you could start playing at fourteen, which is different than
kids that start playing in fourteen here, but it was

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so natural here.

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
Also, when he was playing at fourteen, it wasn't like
real football. He was playing what league was that? The
club it was, Yeah, it was like some type of
club football. Wasn't the same rules, it wasn't the same schemes,
none of that. I mean, there was some similarities of
the league that he was playing in when he started
playing football, but it was nothing like American football.

Speaker 1 (02:05:27):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
So where he go to university, It was to Houston
where he had a pretty solid career there. And then
the way he got to the Patriots, I'm pretty sure,
like the newing of Patriots, they were looking for an
offensive tackle at the time, you know, to start for
them or just about and uh yeah, And I'm pretty

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sure he played in the East West Game after being
you know, in college at the University of Houston, and
that's when he really got scouted by the Patriots. And
I'm pretty sure the Patriots and Dante Scarnaccio one of
the best offensive line coaches in the history history of
the game, no doubt about that. I mean, he's the
reason to a lot of our success in New England.

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And what's wild is like he's tiny, Like you know,
offensive line coaches are usually offensive lineman beforehand, like Dante
Scarnakia demanded a room. He was older, like seventy five
seventies what five ten, one hundred and eighty pounds, and
he just lined up his offensive lineman like a drill
sergeant and just control.

Speaker 1 (02:06:31):
Them like unbelievable. I remember the first day of rookie camp,
Scar yelling at Sea Bass saying something like, you guys,
you fat pieces shit better start running.

Speaker 4 (02:06:45):
Well, you guys are out here bouncing around this league
for five six years. I'm gonna you have to work
at Walmart because I'm like, get fired for not getting
you to be able to play.

Speaker 1 (02:06:56):
It's like the first day of Rookiotis. I'm like, oh
my god, I don't know if he was going to
Sea Bastard. I was like, that was my welcome to
the NFL moment, Like holy shit.

Speaker 2 (02:07:05):
And then they scouted Sebastian. They had a workout with him.
I mean I saw I think he did. He did
his pro day and he put him through a workout
and he said that, you know, Sebastian was smart. He
did everything that he was told. He picked up on everything.
He picked up on the schemes right of way. It's
just showing how smart he was. And and then he

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also talked about how Sebastian learned the English language.

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
How was that? And that was just watching American flicks,
American TV, American TV.

Speaker 2 (02:07:39):
Man, I watched German TV, and my eyes are going
to space faster than Michael Strahan went to space. This
guy learned How's English?

Speaker 1 (02:07:49):
How did you learn English? Oh, just learned it just
growing up, just did. I was around it a lot
as a kid, being around my mom, my dad, my
brother's friend. And who is your first word? Mama? Mama?
But it was baba mama. I wonder what Sebastian's first
word was, because it's not mama, that's English. Yeah, what

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do you think it was? It's probably like uh oma,
ohma omah's grandma and like German.

Speaker 2 (02:08:19):
Oh. You want to know what Bill Belichick once said
too about Sebastian Vollmer. What do you say is that
when Sebastian would utter things underneath.

Speaker 1 (02:08:30):
His breath in German or something, yeah, in German.

Speaker 2 (02:08:33):
Yes, he knew that it was never good.

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
He knew it was never good. That's a that's a
great observation, Coach Belichick's. That's called scouting right there.

Speaker 2 (02:08:43):
Sebastian was athletic, great. Hey, I'm scouting Sebastian right now. Okay,
I know you're getting excited. He's athletic, great size, he
was light on his feet, He has thirty six to
thirty eight inch arms, depending on the workout that he
did that day. He's thick every where, dude. I'm telling you,
he's thick, his CAFs, his squads, forearms, bice triiceps, abs.

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See like he's thick. It's like he almost had a
six pack, but he didn't because he was so big.
But he dick like thick boy man.

Speaker 1 (02:09:14):
But he wasn't like fat, No, he wasn't always Well
now he's like a bodybuilder. He's shredded. He looks so
good right now. It looks like a tight end. He
looks like he Van dam was like six foot eight.
He's that ripped right now. He's got good feet. He
always had good feet. He was always on balance.

Speaker 2 (02:09:30):
I was working out with him, O'Brian's yeah, yeah, aps, yes,
aps my going into my second year in the league
during the lockout, at the NFL lockout, we would always
be working out there. I just remember him working out
and like I was just amazed how strong he was.
He took one hundred and forty pound dumbbell, just went
right on the bench, grab the other one just like this,

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that easy, and just started tossing it up for a
set of ten, one hundred and forty pound dumbells for
a set of ten, like it was nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:09:59):
The Gumans have particular beard that makes them very strong.

Speaker 2 (02:10:02):
Well, then let me keep drinking jewels because I want
to be very strong like Sebastian.

Speaker 1 (02:10:07):
And if he was drinking beer to make him strong,
I need another beer. Fill me up, please, I already
had one. I want one more. I got you, well,
you filled me up.

Speaker 2 (02:10:15):
How about the time when Coach Belichick put him out
there and he's told Sebastian Vollmer, hey, if you catch
his punt.

Speaker 1 (02:10:21):
He was dune for today, everyone's off practice. Hey, that's
all meetings. What happened? What happened?

Speaker 2 (02:10:27):
What did Sebastian do?

Speaker 1 (02:10:29):
He caught a punt? He gave us training camp. That
was early in our career.

Speaker 2 (02:10:32):
It was that was my I think my rookie year
or my second year in the league. I think it
was my second year. But that was great. See Bass,
Thank you for coming through. I'll remember it, you know,
for the rest of my life that you got me
off meetings that night. Thank you, amen, because those meetings
are way too long.

Speaker 1 (02:10:48):
His first start in two thousand and nine was the
was that Tennessee Titans game where it snowed in like
October fifteenth or something like that. He was replacing Matt
Light who was starting. I think he got banged up.
We didn't give up a sack like it was his
first game in pressure was on young football player from
Germany and helps give up zero sacks and we blew

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out the Tennessee Titans that like nothing. It was fifty
nine nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:11:14):
You I know why you guys, you know won that
game fifty nine nothing and why Tom threw like eight
touchdown passes in the first quarter because he was very
comfortable as Sebastian Volmer was his left tackle.

Speaker 1 (02:11:26):
He was comfortable. He was just like we were all comfortable.
When Coach Belichick said, hey, Sebastian Volmer, if you catch
this punt right here on this windy day at training camp,
when we've been running you guys for fifteen straight days
into the ground, not a day off, full pads twice
a day. If you catch his punt, I'm gonna give

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you guys meetings off tonight, but we will have practice tomorrow.
But you guys will have meetings off tonight. And what
do you do. He caught the punt, We didn't have meetings.
He caught the punt so I could go home and
do this quick.

Speaker 2 (02:12:00):
We got to give him a little bit more credit
in his broadcasting career because he has made a name
for himself in the country of Germany because he's bringing
the game and a lot of awareness of American football
and bringing it over and he's doing a great job
to translate it. I see a lot of things he
translates English to uh Germany to help people in that

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country understand the game. So he's doing a great job
expanding and have an unbelievable role like that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:24):
Without doubt, he's making the game bigger. He probably loves
his home country. He does, and he loves football, and
it's great for him to be able to share the
game that he's loved with the people that where he's from.
That's like some beautiful stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:12:40):
It's beautiful, like like Europe. It is beautiful like Poland. Actually,
Poland's beautiful, and that's why, you know, Sebastian is so
beautiful as well, because Poland's right near Germany.

Speaker 1 (02:12:52):
It might connect, but I don't think it does.

Speaker 5 (02:12:54):
I think they touch the touch. That's why we just
just sympathize for each other. And we have so much
connection because I'm a Pollock, he's German, and we just
we just have that you know, tightness. We feel each other.
We understand each other, and he's just a good guy.
I'm a good guy, and I'm just gonna keep drinking

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and just keep getting emotional because I'm blacked out.

Speaker 1 (02:13:18):
It's a beer and a half jewels time. All right,
all right? What is he? You are already? You're ady?
I just broke out of ours. You're in it. I
was in it. What kind of dude is Sebastian Bohmer?

Speaker 2 (02:13:34):
Is he?

Speaker 1 (02:13:36):
I mean, he is pretty studley if you think about it.
A guy that came from he's probably one of the
badass dudes from his country, never played our country's most
famous sport, most popular sport, and comes in and becomes
a fucking damn good football player. All right, on on three,

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you say what you think he is. I'll say what
I think he is, all right, one? Two, three? Whiz, yeah, baby,
give me some, give me some. Obviously, probably we know him,
we played with them, so we're gonna be on the
same page of what he is. I mean, he's definitely
a whiz if you think about it, to be able
to come out out of high school from Germany, to

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go to a university in America and play American football,
learn the language, through TV be as smart as he
was on the field. You never saw emmy from Sebastian
Bohmer Like he's for sure a whiz clutch catching the
punt for us to get us the night off of meetings,
like he was the guy. He's a whiz for sure.

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You said it all, Jules, he said it all. Here's
a whiz guy.

Speaker 2 (02:14:49):
Smiders can be picked up the scheme stop one of
the hardest blocking schemes and all football.

Speaker 1 (02:14:54):
Just like that. I think he picked up English better
than you and I speak it. No, he sure has,
and if you ask him he would agree that. He
definitely would. I love him too, But they cuckoo, cuckoo.
That's what he was say. Is everybody casey, I love them,
I love them. Oh we love you. Bathroom. All right,

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let's get into our our last Halloween edition of New
Tonguans guy that we are going to talk about. You
know what, I'm looking at this and it's pretty gnarly
m that everyone of the scariest guys that we're going

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over is from the AFC. Fucking North, another Kent State
golden flash. Another man that scares the living ship out
of you. He sure does. His name is Debo, but
his birth name is James Harrison.

Speaker 2 (02:16:05):
James Henry Harrison Junior Hank.

Speaker 1 (02:16:09):
I will not call him that to his face. He'll
I've seen him doing that volleyball ship. What is up?
What's you a A? I asked to say, alright, AI
for James Hank, I was probably too scared the second
Holy smokes, Oh that's blank A. I was scared. AI
is fucking scared. I'm scared. Did not want to get

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it wrong. Start the claw.

Speaker 2 (02:16:33):
Now now, James Harrison. James Harrison was a tenicious and
a hard hitting linebacker. Tenacious, thank you, Joe, got you.

Speaker 1 (02:16:42):
I'm Harry.

Speaker 2 (02:16:43):
You know I didn't read any bucks growing up, okay,
you know? And a hard hitting linebacker now for his
relentless work ethic and physical style of play. Off the field,
he was dedicated and resilient, overcoming numerous setbacks to achieve success.
Harrison had a significant impact on the Pittsburgh Steeers on
the Pittsburgh Steelers, helping them win two Super Bowls and

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earning the NFL Defensive Player of the Year award in
two thousand and eight Jesus. Notably, He's set a then
Steelers single season record with sixteen sacks in two thousand
and eight and is the only undrafted player to win
Defensive Player of the Year award. He was also a
five time Pro Bowler and twice named the Steelers MVP.

Speaker 1 (02:17:29):
He should have been a Super Bowl MVP.

Speaker 2 (02:17:31):
Yeah, but Santonio home tapping catch and the game. They
should give out like two MVP's award, a defensive MVP
if deserved, and then an MVP award as well, or
an MVP award. And if it was a defensive guy,
then if someone played on the offensive side, you know,
on the offense side of the ball, very well, they
should also.

Speaker 1 (02:17:51):
Have the offensive MVP. You know what I mean? You
know what I'm saying by that. Yeah, they can get
they can get a better sponsorship group out of the
NFL too. If they did that, you could have you know,
Chevy for you know, the offense and forward for the defense. Ah,
we're not business guys. Debo. Hey, Lyd, you're smarter than

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I thought. Carry Your hands are freezing. James Harrison absolute
scary motherfucker. Like he's look at him. You look at
his pictures. It's like one degree outside. He's got his
shirt off and his baggy ass sweats doing a pregame
warm up, looking like he wants to just I fucking

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kill every single person on the other side of the team.
Like we played against him and he's got a notion
and it's so fucking crazy that he didn't get drafted
because he's about six feet tall, but he's also six
feet wide. This guy is a fucking fridge his I've

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never his arms are literally like thirty inches big. I
remember he came and played with us in seventeen. It
literally when he would walk in the locker room, it
felt like the scene in Friday when Deebo would roll.
Everyone would put their chains away, and he was like
a nice guy, but he just had that scary great guy,

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scary aorr about him. We're like, no, hey, oh shit,
what's up. No one wanted to joke with him because
he didn't know if he was gonna take it or
if he could be joked with. But he was honestly
a great teammate for that one year, and he's made
so many incredible fucking plays in his career, Like it's insane.
Have you seen him do the shot put? Nah? I
never seen. He's I guess he's a huge fucking shotputter,

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Like he's a fuck. I love him. I absolutely loved him.
I remember when he played that game in two thousand
and eight. I was at Kent State the super Bowl
where he had that big hundred yard run in the
super Bowl, and I was just so excited to see
a guy like him, you know, dominating the NFL from
where I came from. I mean, it was It's crazy.

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Was Primes James Harrison faster than you? Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:20:12):
Was he?

Speaker 1 (02:20:13):
Yes? I'm not going to say he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:20:17):
To think about that. And I was like, wait, if
I am faster than him, I should not say I
was faster. It's like that's like me saying I'm stronger
than him as well, which obviously I am not stronger
than James Harrison.

Speaker 1 (02:20:27):
I don't think anyone is.

Speaker 2 (02:20:28):
But I'm going to talk a little football, you know,
a little technician on the football field here. I mean
in the blocking aspect of the game and who you're
going versus, what type of guy you're going verse, what
type of player you're going verse, who you're going verse,
Because in the NFL, you scout the player you're going verse,
you scot him. You see what type of player they are.
You see how they react to you know, the type

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of blocks that they're receiving and all that good stuff.
In what size he is, what height the defender is
that you're going verse, You get in his chest, you
throw your shoulder, so many different techniques depending on who
you're going verse. And I love blocking a guy that's
like six ' five my height who stands up, because
then I can get in his chest driving backwards. And

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a guy that doesn't have that mean look, that mean attitude,
and a guy that's not going to get pissed off
because I came flying off the ball and absolutely drilled
him and drove him back five yards and embarrass him.
That was the last thing I was trying to do
with James Harrison.

Speaker 1 (02:21:26):
Well, we're trying to do James.

Speaker 2 (02:21:27):
First off, with James, I knew I couldn't get into
his chest. The guy is like a bowling ball, Like
you know that twenty eight pound bowling ball that everyone
wants to throw down the freaking lane and just trying
to knock down all the pins and like you kind
of like do a granny.

Speaker 1 (02:21:40):
Style and so heavy you blow out your back.

Speaker 2 (02:21:43):
Well, those are the hardest guys to block in the NFL,
especially at my size six foot six, you know, it's
hard for me to get low. It's hard for me
to move that type of guy because they have so
much leverage built in pad level. Yes, exactly, that's what
he has. And with a guy like that and how
scary and intimidating he was, and I see it on film,
you do not want to piss James Harrison on why

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what did you see on Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:22:05):
What do you see on film? What do you mean?
What do you see on film?

Speaker 2 (02:22:08):
I seen him take defenders, offensive lineman, toss him. I
seen him absolutely level defenders and put him out of
the game with a concussion.

Speaker 1 (02:22:16):
Dude, he knocked out Josh Cribas, one of his teammates
from college, but literally knock his ass out.

Speaker 2 (02:22:21):
So therefore, when I'm blocking him, it's a guy that
you just kind of want to get in his way.
I'm not going to come off the ball and crush
his skull. I'm not trying to do that because if
I piss him off, you know, if I hit him
hired and I trigger him, man, I'm gonna tell you
he's gonna pick me up and throw me the next place.
So I never wanted to trigger him. I always just
try to get in his way, you know, with my shoulder,
with my hands. So then when the running back came

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around and you try to make a play, you know,
just get in his way again, you know, so he.

Speaker 1 (02:22:45):
Could you feel his strength.

Speaker 2 (02:22:46):
I could feel his strength, because then if I started
going strength for strength, that's when I lose, no doubt
about it, that's when I lose the block versus a
guy like that and leverage. So every time I just
try to just kind of play paddy kick, you know,
try to let him absorb me. So if I did
fly off the ball, he would fly off the ball too,
and then I would go backwards and he would have
that separation pass. So I just try to stick on

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him like a like a sponge, you know. Uh, And
just always didn't let him out of my rear view mirror,
just always staying in front of him, never trying to
piss them off, never trying to give him a cheap shot.
That was the way I blocked James Harrison, And it
was a whole different style when you go versus a
player like him.

Speaker 1 (02:23:25):
That's crazy. See we're here talking about like Rob's Rob
used to block the biggest battest to on the defensive line.
That's fucking nuts. You know, it's rarely seen, you know,
a matchup with the tight end and the nine technique
fucking d end or what you know, the outside linebacker
that's playing down like that doesn't that's usually at the

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point of attack a lot of times, is it. Do
you watch that film?

Speaker 2 (02:23:49):
Yeah, you always want to get the tackle on those guys.
But when you have a tight end in that situation
that's willing to do it, willing to get there to
the that's what expands your offense. That expands the run game,
that's what expands the play action game as well. And
I kind of use that to my advantage and that's
actually what helped me get open plenty of time on
the play actions when the linebacker step up because they thought,
you know, I'm coming out the block. But James Harrison

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was a terrifying pocket pressure player. He got so low
his shoulder like, yeah, he would have that shoulder dip
and he would just get right off of the tackle,
even though the offensive tackles twice his size, kind of
like it looks like twice his hype.

Speaker 1 (02:24:25):
But he would get right underneath him. And he was
so strong.

Speaker 2 (02:24:27):
He would just rip through right through his arm and
then get to the quarterback. And he was quick enough
to take kind of an outside angle. Run the hump, Yeah,
run the hump, and then bolt right to the court.

Speaker 1 (02:24:37):
Also would have a great change up where he would
just use his strength. He get right up in that
chest of that guy who's about eight inches taller than them,
and push his ass right back into the pocket and
blow up the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (02:24:48):
And that's the exact leverage I was talking about. And
that's why I didn't go toe to toe with him
right off the line, because he would get that leverage
and he push me back. So I would just try
to stay on him and not let him get that
force to you know, to be able to push me back.
So just being a smart player.

Speaker 1 (02:25:03):
Have you seen his workout videos.

Speaker 2 (02:25:04):
His workout videos are freaking ridiculous. He has like eight
forty fives on each side when he's freaking benching like
five hundred, like fifty five und you see it does
It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (02:25:15):
His conditioning, he gets like a thirty pound or a
forty pound medicine ball and he plays volleyball with it
where you have to catch it in the house, saying
that that that's hard. People don't realize that's hard. That's heavyweight.
And he does it for a long round. Like it's
so fun to watch his workouts because he does like
some world's strongest man shit all the time, or like

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you have like a boulder he's pushing, or he's fucking
pulling a goddamn car or throwing fucking rocks that are
like nine hundred pounds. Like he's just a he's a
cool dude man. And the one thing about it, the
one thing would you agree, does his voice not match
his body? I think it does match his boy it does.

(02:26:00):
I don't think it's like a low scary voice. It's
not as low as you expect. Yeah, so I don't
think it like you would think with that guy. He's like,
are you doing you? Yeah, you're expecting that low. It's
kind of it's not high though, No, it's not high.
It's kind of a James. I'm not saying you have
a high but which is kind of good because imagine
if it was that low, it would be like even scarier. Yeah,

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Like I remember, remember he remember he gave it. I
got one of his shirts. Remember, he had the Deebo
shirt in the locker room. I still have the Deebo's
shirt somewhere here. He's he's like he can lift like whatever,
six hundred pounds. Ben squat that lift.

Speaker 2 (02:26:38):
But what I love about him is that he always
posts his regime of you know, recovering, of how he
recovers off of those lists how he was recovering in
the NFL, and he would put like three hundred and
fifty acupuncture needles and every day, like every other day,
and he posts about it like you gotta be a freak.

(02:27:00):
You gotta be intense in order to get three hundred
and fifty needles poked inside of your muscle tissue and
just take it like an absolute champ. Like that just
shows he that just shows like he's dedicated, like he's
doing whatever it takes to be at that level that
he needs to be at.

Speaker 1 (02:27:17):
Who is the mount Rushmore? Of the strongest guys we
played with, you think.

Speaker 2 (02:27:21):
I would say Sebastian Volmer left tackle was Vince Wilfork.
He was super strong, strong, He didn't really have to
even like work out that much. He would just walk
in the weight room and toss up like five hundred
pounds in the bench.

Speaker 1 (02:27:34):
Yeah, Marcus Cannon was a strong guy. Saw the squatting world.
I never I remember. Canon would be squatting and there'd
be fifteen fucking forty five and the thing would be bouncing.
I swear I think he had like twelve forty five's
on each side, remember that, And now the bar would
be it'd be bouncing like it was a fucking cute

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tip with fucking rocks on. It's like it was.

Speaker 2 (02:28:01):
That was good inmitation right there.

Speaker 1 (02:28:03):
And then Brandon Bolden for pound for pound. Bolden didn't
even work out. He was like, but he pound for
pound when we do all those Like my gosh.

Speaker 2 (02:28:12):
I wasn't saying like that was a bad thing, that
work out. He didn't need to work out. And I'm like, dude,
how are you so strong? And rip He's like, yo,
I carry my kids around and I'm like, I'm like, dang,
I gotta start having kids. I gotta start having kids.
And I still haven't started. And this is eight years later.
What I would still be playing if I attend kids.

Speaker 1 (02:28:30):
He would always do those. Remember we'd always have to
do those explosion recordings for some certain things like the Kaisers,
and he would always be the absolute He blow people
out by a thousand points because he was just so
explosive strong. I'd say that's probably our Mount Rushmore. Yes,
his last Kent State game, you know, he sacked five

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times Miami of Ohio. Oh big Ben his fucking teammate,
and no one's off limits, No one is off limits.
We saw what he did to Josh Cribs when he
was in a Browns uniform. We saw what he did
to Ben Roethlisberger when he was in a Miami with
Ohio uniform. Like he is fucking Freddy Krueger bro This

(02:29:13):
is how I mean, this is the perfect guy to
have on the goddamn Halloween episode.

Speaker 2 (02:29:17):
You know. Yeah, we're talking about his you know, defensive
skill set and all that, but what about every time
he had an interception he always almost like brought that
ball back to the house. Obviously with one of the
biggest Super Bowl plays in history of the one hundred
yard return versus Arizona Cardinals. And if they scored right
on that drive, they were saying the game was going
to be over going into half because the Cardinos had

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that big of a.

Speaker 1 (02:29:37):
New manager and that much momentum going in.

Speaker 2 (02:29:40):
But he saved the Steelers that game with that interception
to the house. It looked like he was about to
be tackled eight different times, and he just kept going
and kept going and kept going. He's kind of like
a fullback mixed with a running back when he's running
the ball. Think Mike Golsta, Yes, exactly like him.

Speaker 1 (02:29:58):
He's Mike allstart of the for the side of the ball.
Did you hear that he's Is he gonna be fighting
o Jo Cinco?

Speaker 2 (02:30:04):
He was, Yeah, o Jo Cinkoo First, James Harrison, what
are you thinking, o Jo Cinko?

Speaker 1 (02:30:13):
What the Ojo are you thinking? I'll tell you right now.
O Jo Cinko has got some ball.

Speaker 2 (02:30:19):
He does have a ball.

Speaker 1 (02:30:21):
He raced a horse. He's fought a couple of times.
I mean he's lost all the fights, so has he?

Speaker 2 (02:30:28):
Yeah, he lost the fight he bought one time.

Speaker 1 (02:30:30):
To be said about a man that loses a fight
and keeps coming back. He keeps coming back. Oh, Joe Senko,
don't back down. He does it now, he doesn't. What
is he thinking? What is he thinking? I don't is
it it's UFC right, it's in May style? Yeah, I
mean the only way you would have to fight James
Harrison is you can box him. If he couldn't bring
you down.

Speaker 2 (02:30:50):
O Jo Cinko is six to one, one hundred and
ninety pounds about I would say.

Speaker 1 (02:30:54):
He's got it.

Speaker 2 (02:30:55):
He's probably like, yeah, he lost a Brian Maxwell in
a boxing match.

Speaker 1 (02:30:59):
He yeah, it wasn't. I'm not saying they probably beat
the ship out of me, but I'm not fucking James Harrison.
James Harrison is a scary man.

Speaker 2 (02:31:07):
Should we go, we should go? I gotta, I gotta
what if scenario? Do you think we can beat James
Harrison if we tag team versus if.

Speaker 1 (02:31:17):
You mean if we tag team James Harrison? No, No,
like you and I versus James Harrison. Uh, I don't. Honestly,
I really don't know. And I can center myself a
tough guy, but and I consider you a large tough
human as well. We would have to game plan. We'd
have to. You have to game plan because you know,

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the Steelers do what they do. They do do they
what they do, They do what they do, they do
what they do, they do it very well. But they
do what they do what they do, and they don't adjust.
They don't adjust you what they do, and they do.
We'd have to play James Harrison for that fight time,
all right, But what kind of dude is James Harrison? Okay?
I have I have two that I think he is.

(02:31:59):
You know, I don't think he's a dude's dude, no one's.
I played with him and he was kind of a
dude's dude. But I was too scared of him the
whole time for him to me think that he was
a dude's dude. The freak he's I mean, he's either
a freak or dog to me, you know it. And
I think it's a crazy thing that if he's a freak,
that he was an undrafted freak, that's probably a stat

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that will never say again. And that's freaky.

Speaker 2 (02:32:23):
I mean he is a freak for sure. I would
not disagree with a freaking.

Speaker 1 (02:32:27):
He has dog in him.

Speaker 2 (02:32:28):
There's no doubt he's a relentless dog. He's a dog
that's a pit bull. He's just never going to stop.
It's the pit bull that's John trained, Yeah, that has
the locked daw and just never letting go until that
yaw finally gets tired after Like you gotta put him down.
I think to put him down, basically, you got to
kill him. But he's also freak with that interception and
the stride. His stride when he's running, yeah, is ridiculous.

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I mean, it's freaky to have a stride like that
at that size, with that much mass, and to be
able to run like that, that's freaky. That's freaky.

Speaker 1 (02:32:57):
Tangibles, dude, No one. They say he's six foot, the
dude's five to eleven. He maybe five to ten. He
bout my height and he's two sixty and he runs
just as fast as me. Okay, if you want to
call that not a freak, you're fucking crazy. Yeah, you
are crazy. Then he a freak. Freak.

Speaker 2 (02:33:15):
He's a freak. James Harrison freak stamp it.

Speaker 1 (02:33:20):
What does AI have to say?

Speaker 2 (02:33:21):
This dude was born on January ninth, nineteen seventy eight,
and stands at six foot one and weighs one hundred
and ninety two pounds. He was drafted as a wide
receiver in the second round of the two thousand and
one NFL Draft and played wide receiver for the Bengals, Patriots, Dolphins, and.

Speaker 1 (02:33:38):
The Montreal Alouettes Aluettes.

Speaker 2 (02:33:41):
He was a four time All Pro and the NFL
receiving yards leader in two thousand and six. Originally from Miami,
he played college football for Santa Monica College and Oregon
State University. Off the field, he's known for flamboyant personality
and antics, including a name change, reality TV appearances, and
an act of social media.

Speaker 1 (02:34:00):
Wow, Jules, who do you think we're talking about? Buddy?
Let's get on. Chad Ocho Cinco.

Speaker 2 (02:34:06):
And what's the first thing you think of, Jules when
you hear the name chad Ocho Sinko Johnson.

Speaker 1 (02:34:12):
The first thing I think of. One of the wildest
card moments or wildest moves ever. It was we draft
or we we traded for Chad and we went into
the we were installing the offense, and during installation, chadow'
sha our coach, you know, Chaddio. Yes, he goes all right, guys,

(02:34:33):
we got everything. It's all good, you know. Just don't
be seen. I'm gonna let you out of meetings early.
Don't be seen. We still have a team meeting. Don't
be seen. We have a team meeting.

Speaker 2 (02:34:45):
So clear this up. You got a lot of meetings early,
but we have a team meeting.

Speaker 1 (02:34:49):
Still we still had a meeting after so we had
like an hour and a half for a meeting until
the next meeting. But Chad had to get some shit
done alright, We got everything installed. We had a pretty
smart room, and so he let us out early. Well,
Chad thought it was smart. And this is Chad's like
first couple weeks there, he thought it was be smart

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to leave the facility and on the way out poke
his head into Bill's office and asked if he wanted
anything from Starbucks.

Speaker 2 (02:35:19):
And and so that's wild, that is what what did
he think it meant to not be seen, like to
not go on it, I don't know, to not post
a picture online.

Speaker 1 (02:35:28):
I think he was just new and he's still trying
to be friendly in the whole thing. But like it
was a total accident, total accident. And then you know,
the next time we had a receiver meeting in the room,
Osha was like, fucking guy, he got ripped a new
asshole because you know, what are you doing let guys
out early? This that it just was a whole thing,

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just a wild like he didn't he didn't understand. But
that's what I thought of, Like, man, Chad's crazy. The
whole kiss, the baby thing, the whole every it's real.
He just he just goes off of what he feels,
off of his instincts. What do you think of when
you think of Ocho? Well, first off, the name change.
You gotta love it.

Speaker 2 (02:36:08):
He was one of the most entertaining players you know,
in our generation while we were growing up. Yeah, for sure,
Cincinnati Bengals, that's for sure. I truly believe he's a
Bengal for life. He played for a couple other teams after,
but one hundred percent Bengal for life. He kind of
put that wide receiver you know position on the map
in that era to continue the streak going of you know,

(02:36:30):
of being kind of you know, spontaneous, entertaining, entertaining, a
little bit of drama as well, but also so good
at the game of football that he can pull it
off and you know, not be a problem child at
all in some cases I would say possibly, but just overall,
he was so good at the game of football. He
was so quick that he could pull off all that

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dancing that he was doing, He can pull off all
that trash talk that he was doing. He could pull
off all those antics off the field during the offseason
that he was doing, you know, playing soccer with the
MLS teams, kicking extra points as well during the preseason games.
I mean, this guy had talent, and he had so
much talent that he could be a wild card dude
whenever he wanted because of that type of talent that

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he had. And you got to appreciate that as well,
because it's just cool man to see just someone be himselves.

Speaker 1 (02:37:21):
That's who he is. You know.

Speaker 2 (02:37:22):
It's not like he was doing it for a show,
which it was a show, but he was truly doing
it because that's just how he was born.

Speaker 1 (02:37:28):
And you got to respect that aspect of his game
of who he is. He was like the first guy
with a million followers on Twitter in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (02:37:36):
I think Tom absolutely hated that he was on Twitter
because he was mister Twitter. He had like three million followers.
The second highest person was like two hundred thousand in
the NFL. And this is in twenty twelve. He got
traded to the New England Patriots, and he's always on
Twitter still, and Tom and Coach Ballichick were just always
grilling him like, oh, you get off freaking Twitter. Get

(02:37:58):
off Twitter. It doesn't help you in the game of football.
But it never really like really I would say. What
am I trying to say affected his game is? Twitter
was just back then they just acted like it did,
you know, But we.

Speaker 1 (02:38:13):
Just did things differently in New England and he didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:38:15):
He didn't that he didn't comply to it. The funniest
the point is where I'm getting to is now Tom
is mister Instagram and and so like our mister X.

Speaker 1 (02:38:25):
So that was the point I was getting to. Well,
another thing, it was always known that he loved McDonald's.
What's your take on that. I mean, it's kind of
freaky that you could just eat McDonald's still do.

Speaker 2 (02:38:40):
McDonald's for most of his career, and he also said
it helped his body, like callous for football, I guess.
I mean, there's only one guy that could possibly do this.
I mean there's a lot of players that sometimes, you know,
not sometimes eat fast food. But I'm talking like Chad
did it on a daily basis, breakfast, lunch, dinner. And
I saw he went to that corner store right on

(02:39:01):
Root one, right next to you. Let's see him. There's
a McDonald's there.

Speaker 1 (02:39:04):
It's the half's half, it's half in the McDonald half
liquor store.

Speaker 2 (02:39:08):
I think he would go there, and he's always in
the drive through. And I saw him one time. He
pulled up and he was eating the h the fish
filet sandwich.

Speaker 1 (02:39:14):
I like the fish filet, though. What's your favorite dam McDonald's.

Speaker 2 (02:39:17):
Uh, the coffee bro They got legit coffee there. I
don't really eat McDonald's. If I do, I get the
double cheeseburger and I just take the the patties off
of the bread and I just eat the smash Hamburger
patties with the cheese. I don't like to bread smash them.
I mean, I think it's safe to just eat the meat.
You know what about the mcgriddle? Oh breakfast, they got

(02:39:40):
legit breakfast sausage pancakes. Oh the pancakes are on fire.
So I'm a breakfast guy at Mcdonald'syeah, I'm not going
to really eat you know, their lunch or dinner. No
big Mac, like if I do get the Big Mac,
Like I said, I'm just eating the patties only. But
it's just impressive, though, Chad ate that McDonald's every single day,
every single day. Body was just some achine. I mean,

(02:40:01):
I guess if you get used to it. Your mind
is just gonna know what to do with that type
of you know, nutrition. So hats off to Oto.

Speaker 1 (02:40:08):
Sinks he's crazy. He would like race an him. Didn't
he race a horse? He doesn't care. He'll fight anyone.
Chad is, So, what do you think you can beat
a horse in a race?

Speaker 2 (02:40:19):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:40:19):
No chance? I mean, would you ever race a horse?
No chance?

Speaker 2 (02:40:24):
A horse and I have one thing in common, Jules,
and I'm not gonna tell you what it is. I
just use your wild imagination. I get to understand. Thank you,
I understand, thank you. Well, he raced a horse for
a cherry feed the children. You know, he had one
hundred meters start and he beat the horse, which you know,
props to him. He's silly, always just doing silly things.

Speaker 1 (02:40:47):
Man, He did silly things. But people like when we
were playing he had elite feet, like his footwork was
quicker than any one I knew. And we cult him
on the tail end of his career, and he still
had some really insanely quick feet where he meaning he
could get in and out of breaks. For how tall

(02:41:08):
he was at six ' one, he was a real
He was a skinnier guy, but usually when you're six
to one, it's harder for you to get in and
out of breaks. But you watch his comebacks, his releases,
like he was always the separation king to the at
the top of route, at the beginning of route. He
was an elite receiver. Now with all the antics and stuff,

(02:41:31):
we all remember him that because that's probably because he
didn't win. But he was a fucking elite receiver that
had a lot of production for a long time in
this league. He was so quick.

Speaker 2 (02:41:43):
He had the best releases in the game as well.
And like you said, I think he was the quickest play.
He had the quickest feet in the game of football.
Was like poppup pup up on He would go side
to side with it as well. So I'm sure he's
a great line dancer as well. He won Dancing with
the Stars, did he fourth came and fourth fourth?

Speaker 1 (02:41:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:42:00):
There's one thing that's always certain, he said, and that's
death taxes and eighty five gonna always be open always.
He got to love him for that, and he was
always open. Besides, when he got to New England, he
was he was struggling a little bit there.

Speaker 1 (02:42:15):
Why do you think he struggled?

Speaker 2 (02:42:16):
I just think he struggled because, you know, just a
complicity of the playbook a little bit. I feel like
he had the freelance to do whatever he wanted to
do in Cincinnati, and then when he got to New England,
it was more of a structure like this is what
you gotta do. This is how you get open. It's
not like you're gonna be able to just freelance to
play backyard football. I feel like he played backyard football

(02:42:37):
a little bit more with the Cincinnati Bengals. Tom wanted
it like that, but possibly he wanted to do it
like that, but he couldn't do it like that because
Tom wanted it like that. I mean, it just didn't
really work out to the tea that you know, we
wanted it to obviously what what coach Belichick wanted to do,
and as teammates as well. But there's one thing though
that we know we got blessed with the presence of

(02:42:59):
Chain for that whole entire year, and that's what is
more important is just to be around a great dude
and just to see, you know, how he carried himself
to just one of the greatest wide receivers of the game.

Speaker 1 (02:43:09):
Do you have any stories about Chad.

Speaker 2 (02:43:11):
We went out to dinner actually during training camp, and
he was just a great character man.

Speaker 1 (02:43:15):
I love.

Speaker 2 (02:43:16):
He always got the waitress wound up, you know, he
got her wound up, cracking.

Speaker 1 (02:43:20):
Jokes like you know, where'd you guys go?

Speaker 2 (02:43:23):
We went Toby Keith's Iron Grill right there at Patriot Place,
and he would be flirting and then the waitress would
be flirting back with us, and like, you're just such
an awe because we were such young bucks. And just
how he was so spontaneous and so quick with his game,
like his the way he would speak and and talk
and have game, it was like his feet were.

Speaker 1 (02:43:42):
Running his mouth like just that quick, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:43:45):
And then what's so great about it is like he
would leave her hanging though, because he would give like
an outrageous tip to her and then like didn't leave
his number anything, like he would get the you know,
he would get the waitress.

Speaker 1 (02:43:56):
He just gets He's just outgoing. He likes to push
people buttons, I think.

Speaker 2 (02:44:01):
Exactly, give her an outrageous tip and then we would
all just leave and the waitress be like, oh what wait,
where'd he go?

Speaker 1 (02:44:06):
Like I didn't get his number or anything. But he
would just bounce on Chad was so fun. It was fun.
I also could kick. He had a big soccer background,
and I think that's probably what helped him with such
great feet, quick feet that he had. I mean, I
remember Cincinnati, their kicker got hurt. He kicked a field goal.
He kicked a couple fields. I think he kicked a
thirty yarder. He played in soccer leagues. I think he

(02:44:28):
tried to play in a professional league at one pain.

Speaker 2 (02:44:30):
He tried out for the Kansas City MLS team during
the twenty eleven NFL lockout, and while he was trying
to do that, I was doing my wild, wild dude shit, Jules.
I was at the University of Arizona during that lockout,
and I was at the pool parties, dancing up on
the on the stage and everything. At the pool parties,
I was freaking pounding beers and everyone was like, Oh,
You're gonna be in big trouble by coach Belichick after

(02:44:52):
the lockout.

Speaker 1 (02:44:53):
But what did I do.

Speaker 2 (02:44:54):
I showed up and I was just as wild out
on that football field and training camp.

Speaker 1 (02:44:58):
Baby.

Speaker 2 (02:44:58):
That was That was my favorite offseason was after my
rookie year because we didn't have to go in at
all at all, and I got to be wild as
possible because I had a little bit of money. I
was twenty one years old and I was just running
around college campuses just being an absolute wild maniac. It
was the greatest offseason of my career, no doubt about that.
What did you do during the lockout, Jeueles, I just

(02:45:19):
told you what I was doing.

Speaker 1 (02:45:20):
I actually took a couple of classes at Kent. I
was in LA trained out here. Didn't we have like
a fucking we had like a couple of team practices
at BC during the lockoutmember that when we when Brady
called a couple we did.

Speaker 2 (02:45:35):
We had about three practices at BC. That was really cool.
That just shows the leadership of time, just how wild
of a leader he was. Tom wasn't a wild card.
He was a wild leader and that that just shows
you know why he's, you know, one of the actually
the greatest player to play.

Speaker 1 (02:45:51):
Could Chad kick the field goal kick of destiny? For
that you do everywhere? Yeah? One hundred percent, so easy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:45:58):
He kicked an extra point in the season game, which
that's a lot harder than kicking the kick of destiny.
I mean, I don't have a line. No one's snapping it.
The balls just set sitting there on a tee for you.
And it's easy, just a layup and freaking I missed twice,
So Chad out, Josinko, I actually need you for the
kick of destiny. I'm actually not doing it this year,
but in the future I'll possibly be doing it again.

(02:46:21):
So I want Chad o Jo Sinko as my coach
or my replacement for the kick.

Speaker 1 (02:46:25):
Of Now what how how far is the kick of destiny? Uh? Oh?
Twenty five yards? So it's twenty five yards.

Speaker 2 (02:46:34):
I was kicking it on the fifteen yard line.

Speaker 1 (02:46:36):
And so how far do you think they would have
to handicap Chad's kick? Because he can kick it better,
so we'd have to bring I would say he would
have to kick a forty yarder. A forty I think
he got forty easy though.

Speaker 2 (02:46:51):
I mean, but no, he does it forty easy. But
that's the point I missed the last two years. So
we need someone to make it now, okay, And we
want him to make it as.

Speaker 1 (02:47:00):
Well for the fans out there and for fan duel
and for just.

Speaker 2 (02:47:04):
The kick of destiny. But what about his TD celebrations
as well. He was one of the best in the game.
He wore the gold jacket that said future Hall of
Fame two thousand with two question marks as a post
touchdown celebration. How about the cheerleader proposal. I actually got
to take some tips from you because I'm now dating
a cheerleader. I've been chad ol chosenko. So you proposed

(02:47:26):
in the first freaking four seconds you matter, which is
pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (02:47:29):
So call me up.

Speaker 2 (02:47:30):
I need some tips, brother. And then he was putting
the football like a damn golf ball as well. When
he did I never done that, man. My craziest TV
celebration was just spiking the ball. Or actually when I
was you know the one in London as well, when
I did the booty shaking, that was pretty impressive. And
the soldier I did, yeah, the soldier of guarding the Buckingham.

Speaker 1 (02:47:53):
Palace Buckingham Palace, well yes, yeah, now he remember he
didn't he uh? He took the camera once and and
was filming. This was like the full generation of overly celebrated, crazy,
get your popcorn ready celebrations by receivers. Remember like Joe
Horn he was taking cell phones out. You got Chad

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doing everything. Chad's doing t O and his celebrations. I
mean just this was like the era where they were
getting fired. They were they were getting penalized for it too.
They didn't give a they didn't care. But it was
still fun. You know, that was the No Fun League
at the time. It was.

Speaker 2 (02:48:33):
I remember that when everyone was translating NFL as to
be the No Fun because they kept finding Oo Sinko
and all the other guys that were being entertaining, you know,
to the to the fans.

Speaker 1 (02:48:46):
So James Harrison or Ocho Cinco they're fighting here soon
super Bowl weekend. Mm A style? Who are you going with?

Speaker 2 (02:48:55):
It's i'm m a style I'm going with, uh obviously
James Harrison.

Speaker 1 (02:49:00):
The thing is that this is how crazy Chad is.
Why the fuck are you fighting James Harrison? Who I
think he knocked him out of a game once.

Speaker 2 (02:49:09):
James Harrison is a freak of nature. He's just gonna
get a hold of Ocho Cinco and just break him
in half. This thing thing box O Cho Sinkle is
gonna have. Yeah, boxing is different story quick. This is
I'm May Now, this is I'm a May style like
James can put his hands on him and do whatever
he wants to do to him.

Speaker 1 (02:49:28):
James plays volleyball with like eighty pound balls. Remember when
he throws it over the thing? Yeah, he does, so
you know he can catch motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (02:49:35):
Yeah, Ocho Sinkle's wild wild. I love it though, keeping
wild Ojo time, let's go. What kind of dude is
Chad Ocho Sinko? Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (02:49:44):
Joined, dude is chat och Come on now.

Speaker 2 (02:49:48):
I wouldn't really say freak. I mean his feet were.

Speaker 1 (02:49:50):
Freaking freaky freaky feet. Yes, dudes, dude, Yeah, he was man.

Speaker 2 (02:49:55):
He was all about the guys.

Speaker 1 (02:49:57):
He was.

Speaker 2 (02:49:57):
He brought us out to dinner. Yeah, he always invites
knows in New England and invited everyone in the round.
He was a dude's dude, no doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (02:50:04):
Whiz whiz.

Speaker 2 (02:50:04):
I won't really go that far because, like I said,
I think he struggled with the with our playbook a
little bittle bit. So did I. I didn't even play
my rookie year because I didn't know our playbook. It's
very it's a it's a very tough playbook.

Speaker 1 (02:50:17):
It's very got a dog in him too. I mean,
he don't care. He'll he'll freaking challenge anything, anyone to anything,
I mean, race to a horse. He'll box you. He
doesn't care. But I think he's I think he's a stud.

Speaker 2 (02:50:31):
I think he's a stud as well.

Speaker 1 (02:50:32):
I feel like that feet you know he's doing off
the field. Now, he's just he's a lovable guy. But
he was always he always had. He's a stud. To me,
he is a stud.

Speaker 2 (02:50:44):
I mean just the way you know he presented himself
on the field and off the field.

Speaker 1 (02:50:51):
That's when you know you're Stutley, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:50:54):
And he was so fast, and he was such a
stud that he had a race a horse, because horses studs.

Speaker 1 (02:51:00):
So that makes chat out cha sinko a stud. A
stud keeps the girl waiting at the bar, yes, like
like he did, Yes, knows that. You know, he could
have probably took the little lady on a date, but
just just did it just to I don't know, he's
a stud, just to be a stud. On three one
two three stud. Well, that's been another episode of Dudes

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