Game 1 with Joe Mazzulla | 76ers vs. Celtics (2022) - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm attracted to the dark side of greatness or the
dark side of like the tugs of identity and love.
And the gap between a hero and a villain is
much It's very similar to like the gap between winning
and losing and greatness to you know, be good to
great Like that gap is so much closer than people think,
and it's very small, fundamental details that separate you. That's

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the space that I like to like dive into a lot.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
What is it the saying you live long enough to
the hero, you die the villain or something dark knight,
dark Knight, the dire hero, live long enough to be
the villain. I mean, that's as true as you can get.
Welcome to Games with names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack
and Kyler, and we are on a mission to find
the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we

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are covering game one of the twenty twenty two NBA
Season sixers versus Celtics with West Virginia legend and New
England native NBA champions and movie buff coach Joe Missoula,
and we get into talking Joe's first game as an
NBA head coach.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Just don't make this about your first game. Make this
about how we can win the game.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Coach also shows us a tattoo that has never been shown.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
This is the first time, I mean since so I
have this.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Wow, what makes Boston such a great sports town?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
When I see people wearing Celtic gear and they don't
see me, I got goosebumps.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
And then we get into talking about what it's like
crossing paths with other pro athletes. In this week's Chill Zone,
presented by Cooler's Light, you gotta stick around to the
very end. Let's call games with names of production of
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We got plans on August twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
You got plans on August twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
No, they have plans on August twenty because we are
doing another live show. Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
It's just games.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
The names dues and dudes.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Gron's going to be there.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I don't have a name yet. Well, regardless, we do
have a play dues with games. Where's the place we
have a place? MGM Music Hall at Fenway in Boston.
One night only, one night only, one show, a lot
of people. Yeah, scary in Fenway. You basically I think
you could take a door to We're definitely going to

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Speaker 4 (02:36):
Promo code nuthouse n U T H O U s E.
It's gonna be awesome. We learned a lot from last year.
I like to call it nuthhousesnuthus.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I don't know. Let's get back to Joe Missoula October eighteen,
twenty twenty two, TD got Boston, Massachusetts.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Two Hopefield campaigns can go off on the parquet.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
The Missoula era is underway ones all right.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
How many times do you think about the Roman Empire
a week? This is like a masculinity thing because it's
going around on the internet. What is like men? If
you're such a masculine man, you probably think of like
the Roman Empire like five times a week.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Really, that's something I think about it at least once
a day.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I don't want to come off as dark, but I
think there's a lot of lightness in the dark. But
I think a lot about the duality of like life
and death and the decisions that you make and the
balance of you know, the rise and fall of the
Roman Empire and how the rise and fall of dynasties
organizations yourself, your family.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Like all those spaces of like that going too.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
I think about that probably thirty times a day, you know,
just the duality of competition and what that means and
your own mortality and how to play your part in
that and going after something. And you know, a lot
of times when people pick a dream or pick a
goal to go after, they only look at the positive
side of that. They don't look at like the dark

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side of going after a goal. Yeah, you know, and
if you're going to go after a goal, there's probably
just as much, if not more dark side as there
is light side, you know, And that's that's what comes
with it. So I think about that space probably all
the time. You can't have one out the other.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
My dad used to say, goals without actions are just
fucking dreams.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
But at the same time, sometimes are the dark things
that you have to do, the sacrifice, the accountability, the
ship that you have to run through to get to
the top, that you have to you have to experience,
the losing to get to where you have to go.
And you know, failure the failure because the you know,

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you feel like life is all about failure. There's like
five or six times where you don't fail. You're just
hoping that those five or six times are badass.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, no question.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Life really is just a bunch of failures used to
try to get as many successes as you can.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Man, we're getting We're getting fucking deep. Let's let's let's
welcome our guest. We have a very special guest. No,
we gotta welcome a very special guest today here in
the Nuthouse, Boston. Addition, to talk about Game one twenty
twenty two, twenty twenty three NBA Season seventy six ers

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versus the Boston Celtics in game one of coach Missoula's
coaching career in one sentence, don't get two in depth.
We'll dive into the game in one sentence. Why this game?

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I mean it's the Celtics, and uh, you know, it
was the beginning of our journey that you know we're
now three years into. And uh, you know, I think
you can never you can never stop learning. But when
you when it's your first game and it's your first opportunity,
and you look back three years from now when the
journey that you're on. It's always good to go back
and kind of see, like, man, that's what I was

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thinking in that moment and kind of where you're at now.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
You know, it's just the greatest game of all time.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
No, definitely not no, All right, well, we just hope
the greatest game of all time hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yes, you know, let's go. That's a great answer.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
But hey, thanks for talking to the team this year,
and I'm happy to be here, so I appreciate the
growth of our you know, relationship.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
You know, I'm hoping my words meant something. Maybe not work,
Coach didn't wandn't work. It didn't work, So I got
to fucking work. So maybe don't call me next year.
I won't ever come talk to the team.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Guest speakers that aren't welcome back.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
And I guess I'm on there. No fly list, bro,
no fly list, jesus, I feel like a soft Now,
Coach talk to us about the off season. How's it
going so far?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
I think your buddy's hoodie when I walked in today
said it best. Happily miserable.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Happily miserable.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
That's how it's going.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, we got to bring that, We got to get
you a happily miserable. It's hootiful.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
It's a beautiful expression and a very honest and uh.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
What does it mean to you?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I mean, I think it's the space.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
It's the space of of where people are trying to
live and you know, I don't I don't think you
can have one without the other, and I don't think
you can have too much of one. And so I
think it's a balance of like, you know, you're in
a space right now. We didn't achieve our goal. I mean,
our goal is to win a championship every single year.
We have a responsibility and ownership, uh, you know, to
the city, to the organization, really to our to ourselves

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in the competitive arena to try and do that every year,
and you didn't do it. And so but at the
same time, Uh, there were a lot of positive things
that came out of the season, you know, as a team,
as individuals, and there's a lot of stuff that that
you know comes out of the positive you know, in
your family and in your life, and.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
So you have to be able to accept both of
those things.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
And you know, I think the scariest thing is, like,
if you plan on coaching or playing for a long
long time, if you look at the ratio outside of
like John Wooden right out back and Phil Jackson, the
ratio of like successes to failures weighs heavier on the
failure side if you count not winning your championship as
a failure. And so that space of happily and miserable

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is somewhere where you've got to be extremely comfortable, because
I think that's where you grow the most.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
You know, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Mean that's how the off season's going. That's how now
you guys are faced with some adversity. You know, I
used to hear every every last meeting of the season,
Bill would say, you know, that's the last time this
team will be together. Next year. There's gonna be new
coaches next year. There's gonna be new players next year.

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There's gonna be guys that leave, there's gonna be guys
that come. How do you deal with an adversity like
losing JT and then going into another season not knowing
what your team's gonna be. How do you deal with
these types of things as a coach.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Mentally, I mean, I think at the end of the day,
like you got to sign up, you sign up for
the journey. I don't think you sign up for the
short term approach to one year. You know, if that
was the case, and I would have retired after year two,
you know. And so I think you sign up for
the journey, and you don't sign up for just one
person's journey. I think you take on the journey of
everybody you know in the organization, all of your players,

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all of your coaches, all your staff members, you're for
however long you're together. You're on this journey. And there's
different chapters in it, right, and each chapter has a
different heading, has a different theme, has a different outlook.
But it never gets you know, it doesn't get stopped written,
you know. And I think that's how you have to
look at it, is, Uh, you know, one chapter is over,
the next chapter begins, and you know you have to

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take on, you know, other people's journeys, you know, to
build those relationships and to go after stuff together.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
And so that's kind of how we look at it.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Coach. You have such in depth answers, like we haven't
we were talking before the show, and you just you're
always very deep. Do you read a lot? How fuck
do you know all this shit? You're fucking younger than me.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I'm thirty nine.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
I mean so a couple of my favorite books are
probably some of yours. Oh that's great. I think you
have to.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think the most important thing is I've been blessed
to have great people, great family, great opportunities. But I
think you've got to fight for a perspective because if
you don't, you could lose yourself. And that's my biggest
fear in life, is losing myself amongst all this worldly
stuff that we're going after, which is important to go after.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
But like Ecclesiastes is my favorite book.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
No, that's not one of my football guy, not a
big reader. Audiobook guy, I gotta listen. I can't read
very well.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Proverbs favorite book saw Ecclesiastes, Proverbs, Psalms, the Book of Wisdoms.
Like I think, I think, you know, we were talking
about the history of Israel and Rome. I think you
just have to understand everything that came before you, and
you have to understand what's possible to come after you.
And so I think you have to fight for that perspective,
and it's so easy to just get caught up in
your own world and think what happened to me is

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either the greatest thing or the worst thing.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Now what you just said there, you said you have
to know what came before you do. You see coaching
a new these newer players that they struggle with seeing
and learning from the past, because you know, every older
generation that leaves a locker room and welcomes a new
generation into a locker room's like, man, I feel like

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every old guy says, man, they don't they don't they
don't fight like they used to. Oh man, they don't
understand the history like they used to. And now that
I'm the old guy, and when I was the old
guy in the locker room, I say to say, oh,
you know the same thing. Do you see it's getting different?

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Or I think that comes from the generation being attached
to its identity and not being able to let it
go right like you see it all the time when
like it happens to me, like I was a shit player,
Like I was an average basketball player at best.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
You know, I just kind of tried hard.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
But the older you get, people's memories focus on certain things,
and so I think you end up becoming better than
what you once were at the time because everybody he
always wants to remember that emotional good thing and that
like that attachment to the identity, and it's like the
older you get, the better you were.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
You know what I mean. No, I it's it's crazy.
I'm the complete opposite me. I am personally too. Yeah,
Like I get the more I laugh at how bad
I actually was, exactly like I I don't think, like
when people come up to me all the time and say, man,
how'd you make that catch in that Super Bowl? I go,
I don't even think. I think about the third down
that I dropped coming out of the fucking halftime, same

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being the raw Rock guy saying it's gonna be a
hell of a fucking story. And then our defense goes
through and out we get a fucking I get a
good look, I get the guy bop them drop the ball.
That's what I think I think of the ship.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
But I think I think most of I think most
and it's probably a little bit of a generalization or
attached to the identity of what they once were, you know.
And so I think that's where the oh, you know,
we never did this stuff or you know, and I
think that's part of our responsibility is to your responsibility
in the present moment is to give it everything you have,
and then you know.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
When it's over, you're just forgotten about. Like, I think
that's just kind.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Of I think it also goes to that dream thing
that we were just talking about. You know, a lot
of these guys, a lot of people like you said,
we are given information. Now everyone can see an experience
with other people experience. Some people forget about their own
journey and forget about Hey, let's make our own experience

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and live off of that. Yeah, you know, they.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Also forget about like Like, one of the things I
like to do as an exercise is, you know, I
think everyone studies successes, but I always go back and
look at the best players and the best coaches and
all the mistakes that they made, because it's tumbling because
like one, they're all better than Like, all the coaches
in the past are better than I am, and all
the players in the past were great players, but you've
got to look at all the mistakes that were made.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
And it's a balance.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
And so, you know, a healthy exercise is to go
back and be like, Okay, you know, why did this team,
you know, blow this lead in a ninety five NBA
Finals in a game?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Or like what adjustment was made there?

Speaker 1 (13:53):
And so I think you have to find the balance
of like you want to look at all the best
things that coaches did, but you also got to look
at it's easy to forget all those things. You know
that the mistakes that were made before your time, and
and and.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
So I try to do both of those.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
You know, you have to study the successes, but you're
also going to study the failure is because it gives
you a perspective.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
One thousand percent. You know, a mistake is great because
it's a learning experience. You just can't make that mistake twice, Yeah, right,
try not to try.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
You're gonna make it. You're gonna make a different.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
One, but but you're gonna make a different one. A
different one is okay, you just can't. Like, That's what
I always told young players. You're gonna make mistakes. Just
don't make the same one twice.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, but make a different one.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Make a different one. But you'll learn from that, you
know what I mean. Now you have such a you
have such a learning mindset. You grew up in Providence,
Rhode Island. You're on a border hot Tucket right over there.
We're in We're in fucking roady. We're a roady. Okay,
we're a roady. Now where did this love of learning

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come from? You? Your dad was a basketball coach? Is
that where this all came from? What's a young which
was Zula?

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Like?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, I mean I probably didn't.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I probably wasn't as much of a growth mindset until
I graduated from college. I mean I was probably very
the opposite in college, but I was. I was very
I was very blessed. I always had, you know, my
parents were there for me in different ways. My mom
was the academic side, you know, making sure I did
my homework. My dad was like the mindset side. But
I always had great coaches, Like I never had a

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negative coaching experience, and I think that's huge for a kid,
you know, trying to get into athletics. Is like I
can remember, you know, ninety five, if not one hundred
percent of my coaches names at every level. I can
remember some of the practice plans, what they taught me.
And I just never had a negative experience. And so
as I started to get older, I realized what they

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were teaching me was so much bigger than just basketball,
but it was all based on the fundamentals. And so
I think when I got into playing, I was probably
more results oriented and caught up in you know, my
own identity and trying to make a name for yourself.
And and after that when I was like forced when
the game was taken it from me, and I was
like forced to decide, Okay, like where am I going?
You know, you can't play, and so where is my

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identity going to be in? You know, I started to
go back to those moments of coaching and reflecting on
how I never had negative experiences as a coach and
all the times with your teammates, and it's like, you know,
the best way to stay in the game if you
can't play is to is to be a part of
that and to give that back to the people that
are coming after you. And so I think that's kind
of where it's come from, is like, you know, here
are the moments I'm only here because of the people

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around me and cannot be you know, one person that
helps you know others get to that.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
You know, now you never had a bad coach, What
makes a great coach then.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
I mean at every level.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
I mean, I'll tell you my CYO coach at Saint Phillip's,
we practiced i think three four days a week from
five thirty to eight and it was a drug. It
was just drudgery. We did the same thing every single practice,
ran the same place. But you know, Mike and Jeff
did an amazing job of teaching us the fundamentals and
putting us in position to win. And like, you know,
same thing with my AU coaches, you know, Coach Vitale

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and you know those group of guys like to me,
they're they're honest with you. You know, they're in it
for the right reasons. Uh, they're in it to to
see kids get better. They're honest with you, whether you're
good or whether you suck. I remember I had a
bad game and AU and my my AU coach came
up to me and was like, man, you suck today.
He's like, but you know, the guy you went against

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just kicked your ass. But you know he's gonna make
it one day, and so were you. And so they're
able to be honest with you but also give you,
uh you know, the the encouragement or the perspective that
you need to go forward, and I think they never
let you settle being yourself. I think they they hold
you accountable to the person that you say you want
to be or the person that they think you can become.
And that's a that's a space that many people aren't

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willing to go to. So I think that's kind of
at any level, that's what the coaches are.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
If have you noticed coaching styles evolve these days compared
to what we used to go through.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I mean, everything matters the times, you know, and I
think you always have to evolve. I think there's moments
I think I think it's more about what the personality
that you have, right, And I think as we get
into this game, you know, looking at that as I'm
standing on the sidelines, even that moment, I'm like, Okay,
who am I going to be as a coach?

Speaker 3 (18:12):
You know, who am I? What am I going to be?

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Like?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
What's my identity?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
How are we going to how we're going to go
about things as a team, as a staff, How am
I going to handle things individually? And So I think
it's more like personality based, where as long as you
can become an authentic to who you are as a leader.
People will respect that and they'll go with it. And
it doesn't mean it's gonna be perfect all the time.
But I just think it's constantly involving because people are
different and personalities are different.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
What's your identity as a coach?

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, I mean I think it's based off of the
players that I have. I think I think to be
a great coach, you have to have great players. You
have to have a group of players that allow you
to be yourself. And I think you have to create
a space where you allow your players to be yourself.
And so I think that identity. You know, where I
think it is is, you know, being authentic to who
I am. You know, I'm not afraid to say, like
here's where I suck, here's where i'm you know pretty good,

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Here's where I need you guys to fill in for me,
and here's how we could do it together. So I
think it's the space of like authenticity and then your mindset, right,
I think everything comes down to your mindset, how you
approach things, how do you have a certain perspective on that?
And then you know, can you be great tactically, like
can you find ways to to you know, to be
great from a tactical standpoint, to outthink your opponents, and

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to put yourself in position to win.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
I suck with a lot of things, you know, I
mean we all do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Is there anything that you pulled from growing up with
a dad as a head coach? Because my dad was
a coach, And there's shit I pulled on how I
would I've never coached, but you know, when you get
to become an older player in a locker room, there's
kind of that way to communicate with younger guys that
comes off as like a coach. Is there anything you
pulled from your pops?

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I mean so much most of it's illegal now, but
there's still a lot of stuff that ye into it.
I think he just wasn't afraid to be himself. He
wasn't afraid to be himself. He wasn't afraid to win
the moment however he thought necessary to win.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
To win that moment, you know, whether.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
It was basketball, soccer, track like, he was always going
to do whatever it took to get the most out
of that guy in that moment. And that's something that
I could always get better at. I think that's you know,
you're always being challenged of like how could you be
better in this moment? And he was just relentless, Like
he was relentless in his mentality, like relentless in his mindset,
relentless and his approach towards the fundamentals on and off

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the course. I think those are the two biggest things.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Now, you grew up in Providence, you grew up a
massive Celtics fan.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, I was a Red Sox fan before Celtic.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
So let's hear your sports hierarchy of what your fandom was.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Well, so my uncle Mike, credit to him. He got
me into like the history and a study of sports.
So he was a huge forty nine Ers fan, huge Mike,
and he collected all these he collected. He just collected
memorabilia and stuff. And so it started with like these pencils.
I don't know if you remember these old pencils of
like all the different NFL teams. So we had one

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of every team, but I wasn't allowed to use the
forty nine Ers one.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
And then uh, that was his. That was his team.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
And then the Patriots were coming to UH training camp
at Bryant College, so my dad went, yeah, and so
he would take me to Bryant College for training camp
all the time, and so I got these pictures with
like a young Adam Vnit Terry.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Because you had to walk that dirt road, you know,
from the dorms and anything. So we would stand on
that dirt dirt road. Had had a ball signed by
Vinitarry had a ball signed by that whole team. I
don't remember that. So it started with like the Patriots
in that, so.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
You're your Patriots is number one.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
It's not hierarchy as much of it's like this is
how it went okay time and then it went red
Sox because the All Star Game came to Fenway in
ninety nine and you.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Went and I went, So we went, so that what
what's the what year is that? That's is? That's maguire.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
I really don't in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
That was I think Ken Griffy had I really don't
remember much of it, but I think Griffy had a
huge game that All Star Game.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
So here's the story.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
So we went up just for the festivities, like we
didn't have tickets to the game, and so we're standing
around Funway going through all this stuff and then we
get into a taxi to go somewhere and we end
up we're in a taxi with Ray Knight.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Uh you know who scored.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
I think he scored the winning run in the eight
series to beat the Red Sox.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
So we were in there randomly randomly, Hey, let me
get in taxi. Yeah, let's get one. Yeah you do.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
And then like some random person comes up to us
and was like, hey, I got one extra ticket to
the game, and that's you couldn't You couldn't do this now.
So I'm eleven ten at the time, and We're an
hour ten minutes away from home and this stranger comes
up and offers us one ticket, and my uncle's like,
you gotta go. So he sends me into the All
Star Game.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
How old are you?

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I'm ten?

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Oh, my sololo solo.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, sends me into the All Star Game.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
That's a cool uncle.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
By myself, and he's like, hey, like, I'll meet you
right here.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I think he called my dad and my dad drove down,
which I don't know what the hell he was going
to do, like uh, And so I just sat in
the sat next to these two people in the stands
by myself watched the ninety nine All Star Game and
I had this book that in the back of the
book taught you how to throw all the pitches. And
that's why I would I would like I was in
the baseball for a little while, so I would like

(23:02):
work on that. And then then was the Celtics because
when they drafted uh, you know, Joe Forte was one
of my favorite players to watch North Carolina and then
so when they drafted Joe Forte, and I would go
to Red Our Back Camp, you know, and so for
like three four years every summer I would spend a
week at Red Hour Back Camp, staying the dorms at

(23:23):
Brandeis Read Coach Iback would talk to the team and so,
you know, I just fell in love with like fell
in love with right Our Back first, and then fell
in love with the Celtics, and so that's kind of
the trajectory. And then the Bruins I just like to
be and so they're just fourth by default. But like
that's kind of the timeline of like how uh, you know,
Boston sports kind of came into my life.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Wow, what about some of the spots, uh Boston sports heroes,
did you like?

Speaker 1 (23:48):
I mean, vine Terry was one then to start because
he signed he signed the ball, and then I was
watching the first Super Bowl at my grandmother's house and
he hit it was that Panthers was the first one.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Turf.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, So he hit the game winner, I think on
that one.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
And that was also the year he hit the snow one.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yes and the Raiders and so that and then the
Panthers one was another game winner that he had.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, And so he's up there, you like clutch guys.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
And then I had this plaque of Celtic players of
all the greats of the eighties and nineties, and for
whatever reason, I like Robert Parrish.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I like the nickname the Chief. So like I just.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Liked the Chief. That the Chief, you know, I mean
that was just a cool nickname to have. So from
a childhood you remembers that. And then you know, you
got those years in college of when it was like
Pedro and Kurt Shilling and and like that whole.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Crew Bloody Saw Big Pot was just a huge just
motherfucking on broad teeth.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
And then and then but like and then Garnett in
that era, you know, so like.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Uh yeah, just you grew up in a great time,
grew in a great time, great time, and now I
get to Uh, it's it's it's like a full circle
because the great time that I grew up on as
a kid. For whoever long I'm here, I've been in
with this opportunity, ownership, responsibility to like do what was
done when I was a kid, you know. And so
that's where like happily Miserable comes into place of like

(25:10):
I think when you have responsibility, you have to take
on the other side of responsibility, which is like the
weight that that carries, like that's never going to go away.
And so like it's almost like I'm using everything from
my childhood to spure this opportunity that you know, we
have as an organization to like bring that back. It's
kind of cool, but it's it's also it's it's tough,
which is that's what you want.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
It is tough, you know, and and you know you
have you feel like you have this responsibility because of
what you experience as a kid being part of this community.
Now you have relationships with other coaches. You talk with
Rabes at all, talk.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
With uh, you know, coach Mayo was great, Rabes has
been great, just his perspective.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Uh, you know, Alex Core is awesome.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know, he's been around, he's seen and I haven't
tapped into the Bruins or the Revolution like I need to.
But I think it's a fraternity that you have to have,
right because Coach Belichick's been great, like especially my first year,
he was great.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Right.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
But I think it came, didn't You came to our facility.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I remember seeing it there, and he came to a
couple of games and then you know, we talked a
lot about just the perspective and how it goes about things.
But like, to me, it's just a fraternity that you
have because we're all going after the same thing and
we're all carrying, you know, the responsibility and the weight
of bringing what Boston, what the city deserves and what
and there. So yeah, I think I think it's a
huge connection to have that.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
It's so crazy that like this is like the perfect
pro sport city. It is has everything everything, Like it's
not a college area. I mean, we have hell of
good colleges, but it ain't college sport area. It's it's
not fall spring, summer. It's football season, baseball season, basketball season,
hockey season season. That's the only way they live out here.

(26:51):
It's crazy. You know, I grew up in the Bay
Area and we had the Niners, we had the Giants.
The Sharks just came out, but it wasn't the same.
They didn't have four You know, well.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
People, I think I think here in Boston, there's no
distractions like it. You know, each sport is is like
a foundation of like a family. Like there's there's nothing.
I get goosebumps when I see people wearing Celtic gear
and they don't see me. I get goosebumps because it's like,
I know they're wearing that with like a sense of pride,
and there's a story behind why they're a Celtic fan.

(27:22):
There's a story behind it, like it's almost passed down
from their dad or you know, their grandfather or like
you know, so like I that gives me like the
greatest thrill and in a sense of chills when I
see that, you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Now what's now? What's young coach Missoula's favorite place on
Federal Hill?

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Panavino?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Panavino.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
I think I worked there for like two days.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
What happened?

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Not a big manual labor guy, and so I was like,
I'm not I'm not doing that.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
I can't do this.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
I think you had to like if I remember, you
had to ask for like three Now I guess the
people that like, now I'm that guy because I always
want sparkling water instead of distill. But you had to
ask for like three different waters?

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Did you want on still flat sparkling?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, and then like the utensils had to be like
three fingertips from the thing. And I was like, I'm
just gonna go to the gym.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Tight ship, baby, they run a tight shipped over in
the hill. Did you ever go to Olfornos Alfornos?

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Maybe once when I was a kid, but like I
don't remember it as much.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Did you ever go to Sienna's? No, that was over
there on the hill. We used to go there. We
weren't allowed to go to Federal We weren't. We weren't
really allowed to go to Providence. Coach didn't want us there.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
And there's a lot of great restaurants on one island.
Corserti's Pizza is obviously a big one. Yeah, Rosa MEAs
pizza in Johnson is phenomenal. I got what's called Rosie
you gotta find It's like the true Sicilian pizza, like
nice thick square slices.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
What kind of sauce. It is a sweet sauce, not
too so wet.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
It has like the it's got like pepperoni and the
pepper's on there and like built underneath the cheese.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
We get that a lot with my grandmother.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Now, does your grandma make like a hell of a
like red sauce and ship?

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Have you seen known as on Netflix?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Great?

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, great movie, It's fun, right, yeah, but I was,
I couldn't remember if my grandma they're called her sauce,
sauce or gravy, gravy, but she made a hell of
a you know, a sauce or gravy.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
I always want to experience that Italian East Coast mom
that was us that.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Every what Sunday, I mean every night, so every night
because they she lived in the same house by dad,
there was I think there was nine brothers and sisters combined,
but you never knew who was coming over. So she
would make dinner every night, and it was it was
just an open door. So like whoever came in came,
you know, if you got there late, you didn't eat
you and so but on Sundays we would have like
a you know, a big, a big ordeal, like all

(29:35):
my aunts would cook, my grandmother would cook. It was
I mean, it was just like just like the movie.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
It was cool.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
It was cool to kind of relive that I watched
that other night with my wife.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
No, we got bread for every everything. Right, bread has
to be bread. I've learned that in the Italian house,
you gotta have a piece of bread in the hand
at all time for the sauce, the fucking noodles.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
That you can't You got to dip the bread in
the sauce. You can't let the sauce go to wait.
I don't eat as I don't eat as much bread anymore.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Can't coach I know.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I mean I'm getting old and uh.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Not getting old. But I I've heard the interviews. You
got to stay in shape so you you can understand
the the perspective that the players are in.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I think that's important. I think that's a way to
be empathetic for what those guys have to go tell. Yeah,
but I lost touch. I don't do the coffee uh
after dinner. I can't do that. I'll never know to sleep,
I can't.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
No, I'm sensitive that stuff too. What do was like
the t is that the alcohol just d just E
is a dj D. What else is Zambuca? And then
there's another one. There's a Lemon Lemonello. But there's there's
a tomorrow that's phenomenal. Like the tomorrows are great. I
used to drink those a little bit. They always say

(30:39):
it makes your stomach feel better. I felt like it
made me drunker. I think both can be true. Effect
we'll be right back after this quick break. Coach, you
played at West Virginia. Yeah, went to a final four.
Explain this, like, how was that experience? You got to
play in a fucking four? That's insane?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, I mean I think, uh, it was such a
it went by so fast. It does, went by so
fast that the week leading up to it went by
really fast.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
First, like college, I had two great coaches and I
started out with coach Bline. It was great, and then
I you know, and then I started and then I
went to coach Huggins. It was phenomenal. And then we
just had great teammates, like and now you we went
to the final four. It kind of all came together.
But that was when I realized that, like man, winning
is not as fun as people think it is. Like
it's it wasn't an easy year like we were in

(31:31):
the I think we were in top top ten.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Most of the year.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
I think we finished thirty one and nine or something
like that, but one and seven, but it never felt
like that.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
It felt like we were five hundred the whole year.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
And that was that that prepared me for kind of
where we're at now and the healthy approach to like
nothing is ever going to be good enough when you
have a responsibility to greatness and so like I just
remember like practices being miserable, Like it was like, man,
this this responsibility to winning goes beyond the always of
winning and you have to fight for their perspective, but

(32:03):
you also have to take on That was the biggest
thing I learned. Like we lost the game of New
Year's Eve to Purdue and we got smacked, and you
would have thought the season was over, and yet I
think we were like still top ten, and so it
was a great balance of learning you know what comes
with success and how you have to handle that throughout
the season. And you know, we had we had great

(32:24):
guys that were able to just bring us there.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Now who would bring that mindset of mediocrity even though
you guys were above you. Guys were fucking thirty one
and seven? Was that Bob Huggins?

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Oh are?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah? How was it playing for him? He's alleged he.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Is a legend, very misunderstood guy, but he was the best,
and he was very He reminded me of my father,
but he was the best.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
To play for. How how did he remind your father?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Just no nonsense, had a nate ability to the fuck you
and I love you became synonymous and you couldn't tell
which one was which. Yeah, that's the best way to
describe it. Like sometimes when it was fuck you, I
was hearing I love you, and sometimes when I was
hearing I love you, I was hearing fuck you.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Does that make sense? It does. It's bad that I
know and understand that.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
And so like so like my dad, like coach Hugs
were like the same there where it was like I
just couldn't tell what it was that day, but you
knew it was to get the best out of you.
It was the only thing he cared about, was like
getting the best out of you, and he'll go to
any measure possible to get the best out of you.
There was no restrictions towards that. But The best thing

(33:37):
he did was when the game or the practice was over.
He never brought that energy and never brought that energy
from what he was doing on the sideline to what
you were doing off the court. I mean then, I
think that's a huge balance for a coach.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, that's I mean, people don't what goes on in
a game is different than that. I think that's what
the good coaches and players relationships.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I remember there's a few times, you know with my
chat chatty o'sha, my receiver, coach, we're fucking each other up,
you know, on the sideline after the game we get
to win, all right, Ye, all right man, you know
that's just how it goes in battle.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
But I think you got to be able to take
the cap off though.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
You have to be able to and I think that's
that's the biggest thing I learned from him, was he
was able to take the cap off more times than
that of like, you know, how I hold you accountable
on them. It's because I love you. But then this
love kind of looks different when you're off the floor.
And he was amazing at that. Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Now I heard this story about what is it the
Ultimate fucking the Ultimate Alpha challenge with your dad. Yeah,
well it struck me because where'd you hear that? I
heard it. I think barstool maybe, Oh yeah. And it
struck me because you guys went to a baseball field
and you had to get out.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, I went.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I had a similar situation. It was just I was
doing batting practice with my dad and I was dipping
my shoulder. I think I was thirteen, and I finally
at that age, was like trying to bow up and
he was brushing me off the plate.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Right, and this is before a game. This is at
like four three. You get a little VP before a game.
Then we go to the game and fucking I got
sick of it. He threw at me. I threw the
bat down and I charged amount of my daddy one
tude me put me on the ground. I ended up
going to the game with the bloody, bloody jersey.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
People were asking me. You know, I was like, but
that didn't practice when didn't go? Well, now, actually, now
look at you, but like, is that the pulling the
best out of you?

Speaker 1 (35:30):
So I would so if I think I remember this
story correctly, I I our soccer game got canceled. It
was raining, and he was probably pissed that he had
to come all the way out to Walwick to pick
me up and h he was given my friend a
ride home. Uh you know Mark good friend of mine.
You know, he was on the soccer team, and uh,
you know he was so he had to be pissed

(35:51):
because it was a tough place to get you it
was right now the airport.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
And so on the way to dropping Mark off at
his house, I'm being you know, he's mad.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I'm being even more mad.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
I'm showing off in front of you know, my friend here,
and you know, he was just like, okay, I'm going
to take care of you.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
After we dropped this kid off. And so, you know,
I mean, the kid's house is on the right.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
You come out, you take a right, you go down
the main road, you take a left, and then off
the main road, there's this baseball field and it's raining,
and he's just like he's had enough. You know, I'm
just being a fucking dick, and he's just like, winner
take all. And we go into this we go, we
go into the batting we go into the batting cage
of the field and he's just like give me your
best shot, like you know, and like you I think

(36:31):
I have a chance. Yeah, I really thought I had
a chance. But at first I was like, Okay, how
am I going to go out there? So I like,
because of the rain, I picked up some dirt and
tried to throw it in his face and at the
same time kick him in the nuts.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, oldest trigger try it.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, But the thing is, they bught us the trick.
They taught us.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
The trick catches my heel leg, sweeps me, mounts me,
and just starts fucking just wailing on it.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
By that time, we're late to Grandma's dinner and I'll
never forget. He just looked at me and he goes,
you don't fucking say a word, like nothing happened. And
so I walk into my grandmother's house. Was just like
a wet beaten dog. I just I just eat my
meal as if like it. You know, I was just dead.
It humbled, But he did it did. I didn't go

(37:19):
back to my dad ever again after.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
I never tried that, never tried that again, never.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Tried it again. You felt the strength they never felt before.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
But I felt it was important to try it.

Speaker 7 (37:31):
You had you got to test the limits. Who are
you if you don't try it? Hey, he had me
down trying to get him his ship. I remember, he's
like he done yet. Oh I heard that story. I cried.
I was like, God, there's other crazy fucking people out there. Yeah,
because I mean people used to drive by the fucking
field with me and my dad were having batting practice

(37:52):
and he'd be like, oh, man is wailing on his
kid again.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I knew that today's birthday. Actually he passed, but his birthday.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Birthday pop by, Happy birthday, l ip man. Man.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
He gave me so many I mean I remember, like
I used to I used to have to kneel on rice.
But when I got in trouble that hurt, Like I
have to like sit in the corner like nelon Rice.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
That's a Catholic shit.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
But like he just he brought something out of you
that like to this day, like you it's necessary to
take on whatever it is we're taking on right now.
So like that was just the beginning. Yeah, I mean
I remember we played. I sucked one game and this
dude just beat the hell out of me. I think
I filed out and he like went over to my coach.
I was like, I'll give him a ride home today.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I was like, now, I'm good, I'll take the bus,
get him ride.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Home, you know what. And my dad used to coach me,
and everyone would be like, oh, man, your dad's a coach.
I was like, yeah, right, I got to go home
with her. No, what's your favorite memory about your dad? Though?

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Man, my favorite memory about my dad was how he
coached my cousin. So, my cousin, she was one of
the you know, one of the best players in Rhode Island.
I used to go to all her games and all
her practices, and he would make her cry every day. Yeah,
whether it was a game, whether it was a practice,
like it was his goal to make her cry. That's
my favorite memory. But she needed it, she needed it,

(39:10):
she loved it. But it was also like to watch
him he did. He wasn't just coaching me that way,
he coached everybody that way. And uh, you know, as
I got a little bit older, the relationship that Chelsea
and him had was kind of like I was seeing
what he was doing with me in real time because
she was old in me, and so I always appreciated
how he did that.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
And I mean all the time.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
And then in eighth grade he coached my eighth grade
team at Saint Mary's and uh, let's just say he
had a couple run ins with you know, faculty on
coaching me a little bit too hard.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, yeah, and that that sounds about right. Yeah, that
was different generation.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Did he transition into like becoming more like when I
got to college.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
He wasn't like that, No, because he became a man.
He became.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, like when I got to college, he was the opposite,
Like he was just a supporting figure.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
He was like a you know, you know, he did
the exact opposite.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
It was like I did my time, you know, and
he let me kind of grow into who I who
I was at the time.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
It's crazy, that's exactly how it was with me, because
once you surpassed their nol, not like their knowledge, but
once they like let you out, it was like, now
we're here to support.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, So they weren't like overbearing.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
He's doing it for a clear perce. Yes, it would have.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
I would have not have appreciated it if he kept
it going in college. He wasn't making it about him, No,
He's making it about me. And he was able to
release that.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Wow. Yeah, love that. Let's go into a segment where
you go back in the time when the game took
place and we go over pop culture. This game took
place October eighteenth, twenty twenty two. Number one movie Halloween Ends.
Didn't see you see a coach, Nope, never heard of it.
It's that one of the Halloweens.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
It's when Halloween ends.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, I'm not a big I don't like Halloween. Scary
movie with your coach, big Halloween. I never liked Halloween
until like, I have a little girl and she like
we're already talking about costumes. One song, Bad Habits Steve
Lacey never heard of that ever heard of NBA Champions
Denver Nuggets with Joker. Joel Embiid was the MVP. Chiefs

(41:10):
win the Super Bowl. Patrick was the MVP. First time
that was done. MVP wins the Super Bowl in a
long time. I Grove Astros win twenty twenty two World
Series against Philly. Rock Purty makes his NFL debut. What's
the best Boston movie of all time? Coach? I know

(41:32):
you love the town, but is that your favorite?

Speaker 3 (41:34):
It's between the town and the depart I'd say.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, depends on what kind of relief you need. Do
you want to know what kind.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Of mood you're in?

Speaker 1 (41:40):
I mean, I grew up on the Departy, but the
town as I got older, And the reason why I
kind of resonate a little bit more with the town
than the part of it is is the identity and
the love factor. You know that like you're in this space,
like I feel like kind of you know this area
and kind of how I grew up of like and
even people in general, not necessarily to an area, but

(42:01):
it's like you're always you don't like the person you are,
but you do when you're trying to be something that
you want to be something more, but like you're who
you are is bringing you down, so to speak, you
know what I mean? And I feel like the town
portrays so much more than violence, where it shows an
identity crisis of like this area made me, but I'm

(42:21):
looking for more, you know, and you know the great
things about me are from this area, but also the
tough things about me are from this area. And how
do you evolve as a person, And you know, living
in a space of being falling in love with someone
but also robbing banks at the same time is like
there's nothing more of a duality or approach to that,
and so it just has a little bit more of
a than the part of where like it's an action

(42:43):
and it's a great movie like this is like you know,
it shows more of like life of like you know,
you're trying to figure out your identity but you have
these things tugging with you at all times. But you
want to be a better person. And by the way,
I love you, but I'm also using you because you're
getting interrogated by the FBI.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
What's more, you know, Yeah, it's darker. Yeah, it's really
I'm attracted to you know, like the party is comic.
There's some comedy relief with you know, Jack and how
he does things. There's a little funniness to it. Yeah,
the other one town and there ain't nothing that's that
ship feels real. It's just dark.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
I agree with you, And I'm not saying it as
like a staying like I'm attracted to the dark side
of greatness or the dark side of like the tugs
of identity and love and lead shadows.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
You're part of the Batman people. I mean trilogy is
by far the best trilogy that is by far by far. Yeah,
I mean the Dark Knight is dark. You know what.
You know what I loved. I loved Batman Begins because
I was a huge Batman kid when I was a kid,
and to see the origin of where it all came from,
Like I was like, oh my god, that's how they

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got the Batcave Holy Ship. Yeah, oh man, that's where
he got his fucking moves. He went to i know,
or Japan wherever he went. Like that was like, and
then the Dark Knight was crazy, and then Bane came.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
And I think the Batman begins third. I think it's
Dark Knight, Dark Knight Rises, then Batman begain.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
I think I'll go Dark Knight, Batman Begins, Dark Knight Rises.
It got a little long at the last one.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
But the space I love is like villains, you know,
like the movies and like these are like the themes
that I always think about of, like there really isn't
much difference between the hero and the villain, right, And
I think that's the space of why the villain gets
so frustrated is like the self righteousness of the hero
thinking he's better than someone else because he's quote unquote
trying to do the right thing, you know, and so

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they're more similar than than you think.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Are you a Star Wars fan? I'm not because I
have that same argument with you know, the dark side
and having the force, you know, I think when you're
what are they called sith a sith? When you're a Sith,
all they are people that have the force, that make
decision through emotion. Yeah, when you're a Jedi, you're making

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decision emotionally, so it's more peaceful. But why are we
getting mad at a person that's making emotional decision because
we all do that.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, I know the spaces, but the gap between a
hero and a villain is much it's it's very similar
to like the gap between winning and losing and greatness
to you know, be good to great. Like that gap
is so much closer than people think, and it's very
small fundamental details that separate you.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
And that's the space that I like to like dive
into a lot. What is it the saying you live
long enough of the hero, you die the villain or.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Something dark knight, the dire hero live long enough to
be the villain? I mean, that's that's true as you
can get it is. Now, who's your villain? Who's who's
the villain?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Joker? You're the Joker? Yeah, that's your guy. That's that's like,
that's my guy, like the.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Heath Ledger version. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard the
first time. I mean, so I have this, I mean
I got this.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
So why you're so serious form?

Speaker 6 (45:54):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Because of like that perfect balance of like you know,
you know, it's a great question.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Now what he goes into like telling the story as
to like how he got to that.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Point, you know, but it's like, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
It's amazing how he Like if you look at the
Batman and the Joker, it's like the Joker had no rules,
but he really just wanted honesty, you know, but he
just went to the wrong depths to try and get
that honesty. Meanwhile, Batman was like, you know, I'm doing
I'm doing this for all the right reasons, when in reality,
like was he and you know, they're not much different.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
They're not you need to do a movie podcast, that's
what you should do on your spare time. I was
gonna ask you what do you do on your spare time?
But probably gona get better at my job first. That's
the start there there, that's the coach right there. What
are we watching anything? Like? When we have any downtime
right now.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I try to watch so during the playoffs, I was
watching the bin Laden documentary.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
I watched that too, man.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
I mean they should so you know they have like, no,
they have what's that thing called? Were you like? Escape rooms?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah? They should have.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
We should start a business where you have like situation
rooms and like you can sign up and go in
and like reenact different things. You know, like hey, what
are you doing tonight? We're gonna grab dinner and then
we're gonna go reenact and been lot and raid, you.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Like like I think the escape room is just the beginning.
It's like, hey, what are you doing tonight? We're gonna
simulate these.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
You go down to like the West Coast, you can
go deal with those like they teach you how to
like the John Wick guy that teaches you gun.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Like I'm talking like down here on like the main road.
You know, I'm not saying like you gotta go out.
I'm saying like you can find an escape room anywhere,
like at a billiard spot. Yeah, like tonight we're going
to reenact for no. Maybe we talk about morality, but tonight,
we're going to reenact like negotiation tactics, like hey, you're
gonna get you know, after dinner, you're gonna be kidnapped,

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and I gotta I.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Gotta use my negotiation tactics to like get you.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Back, like more strategy than yeah, yeah, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
I just want some situations.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Like so I whatever I watch, I try to tie
into like how you can you know? Another great one
is so we should think more about that business.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
I'm into it. I like that boardroom screen someone comes in.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
My favorite movies is the Game?

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Is that Michael Douglas.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, where he hires the people to put himself in
that situation because he wants excitement.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
Yeah, yeah, huh, I'm just playing in this night.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
I like this fun Friday night.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
I mean escape rooms are just the beginning.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Oh yeah, that's child's blake.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Come on, I mean, I mean that's over. I mean that's.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
Boring, trying to go PF Chang's maybe a little water
boarding afterwards.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
So Ballas I told me a story about he brought
in a guy. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know
if we're supposed to talk about this.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, we we tried it. There was a there was
a select few, but send someone tr Yeah, there's a
few of US enhance interrogation techniques. I can't I don't
want to put it on the name on blast, but
like we used to have a bunch of Navy seals
that would come and train with US teachers hand combat,
the line of scrimmage ship. Yeah, and a couple of
bold guys are like, hey man, we want to try this,
we want to get water boarded. Yeah, and it's pretty weird.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, did you know?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
I'm surprised by that.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Well, I was out. It was a linebacker group that
hung out with them the most. Uh okay, But I
wasn't scared of it. They just they were doing it.
Sounds like you were a little scared of it to me,
Not really. I honestly don't see how it would be
that weird. If you just put a what do you
put a fucking tall over your face? You pour water
on and now they're not gonna kill me. I'm not scared.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
But do you know that they're not gonna kill it?
I mean, I guess you do.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, I mean they're pros, you know what I mean?
To of Obayose guys, have done that million opened up wrs.
I'm sorry, Jesus, I wasn't thinking water blass. Sorry I
took it to another I'm sorry. You gotta try. You
gotta drown yourself.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
The kidnapped the president's daughter. And now you gotta like your.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Kids, Like now you're teaching your kids, like you know
now you have like your life and your kids. You
have a different level of trust of like hey, like
you know my oldest Hey, I'm gonna go in first,
you get my back, You check the corner like you
work on those things. Like I think there's a great
not only team, but like those are just great, you know,
dynamic building things out.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
There be a distraction.

Speaker 6 (50:11):
I'm gonna go this way, you go that way, Lily
all right.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Hey starting young baby, starting like it. I also, I'm
really because of how deep you are. What's on your
pregame playlist? Because is it? Are you? Are you? Like?

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Because I'm an instrumental guy. So you listen to music
every game. And I don't sit in my own office.
I sit in the assistance room. We all hang out
together and like you know, just we kind of meet
all the time. And so Matt Reynolds, your your boys,
great guy, great coach. He takes turns. Each guy gets
to pick their own playlist, and so it just rotates
throughout the entire season.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Rotating the ox what's on yours?

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Well, when we went down, Uh it got pretty it
got pretty dark. There's ah we had, you know, Gray
to die, Biggie, ain't no sunshine. D m X filled
in the air Phil Collins and d m x's uh
redo of that, Somebody's got to die tonight. Pearls by Saday,

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you know.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
You gotta smooth it out like that's still a little
you know, Pearls is a little dark though you know
it's it's it's it's in there.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Got some worship songs on there, just to kind of
bring you back so that you don't you know, you
got to keep the balance a little bit. Every song
I listened to, I asked, can I come out to
this for a UFC Championship fight.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
That's a good test that.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
You know that that's to know if it's a good
song or not.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
I like so I would always go with like Hans
Zimmer movie music, so like inceptions, fucking man, you know,
like that Interstellar, like those those playlist or those soundtracks
because I didn't want words. I wanted to think my words.
So I like, I like that. I like also I
wanted to I wanted to like I wanted to walk

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through my play sheet, and I wanted to see the
coverage to that music. Like you're watching a movie where
you see a scene and the music can bring a
fucking scene to a whole other level if it's right.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Yeah. No, what are those called montages? Maybe?

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah? Maybe those Yeah, But.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
I like a song where I can match the montage.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
And so like Naughty by Nature is hip hop, Array
is in the Last Dance, and so I'll listen to
the song and replay that that segment of the Last Dance. Yea,
you know there's there's another one of there's a KRS
one song that is really cool that's in the last Dance.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
I'll listen to that KRS one song. So like, I
like that, I might take that.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I'll send you a couple.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Yeah, the best one is from The Dark Knight Rises,
when he's in that cave and they're chanting and he's gotta,
he's gotta.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
You know, we'll think, get out of the cave.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
If I'm trying to be real crazy, what I'll do
is I'll get up on my skateboard, I'll throw on
the Dark Knight Rises soundtrack at night and you go
fucking cruising. You feel like you're Batman. I swear.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Done this.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I'm million times. Is that when you got hit by
that guy I was longboard. It's some dude to hit
me when I was playing, well, I fell into him.
I look at him. He looked at me. He goes,
are you all right?

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Yeah, man, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
He's going the Dark Knight Rises soundtrack. Yeah, or if
I'm on a dirt bike or something.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Moonlight Sonata is a good one.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
It kind of just takes you and I'll that's on
the playlist. Moonlight Sonata the song from the Dark Knight Rises.
I forget the name of it.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I think it's just Dark Knight Rise Hans Zimmer because
it goes by the scene.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Okay, yeah, you gotta check it out. I like Moonnight Sonata.
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I'm gonna check it out. Yeah, let's Jackie. Let's jump
into this match up. Should we get into these sixers? Real?
Get into these sixers?

Speaker 5 (53:40):
Fifty four and twenty eight finished third in the East.
This was the final year of the Doc Rivers era
in Philly. This was, of course, Joel Embiid's MVP season
notably led the NBA in free throw percentage eighty three
and a half and three point percentage thirty eight point seven.
Re signed James Harden after trading from the year before
h Mac mclung dunk contest winner two way guy. We

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all remember that one though, and yeah, finished third in
the East.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Coach, how do you describe the Celtics seventy six ers rivalry?
I mean, these are two some of the oldest cities
in this beautiful country that we live in. The Bell
being cracked over there, John Hancock being buried here. I mean,
we could go into the history. What does this rivalry mean?

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I learned more about that watching Celtic City, you know,
because I think the you know, watching that dynamic there. Yeah,
so I think that runs deeper than maybe I understood,
you know that that particular one.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, Now let's do some dude talk. What makes Joe
Embiid so so good?

Speaker 1 (54:44):
I mean, you know the thing I appreciate about him
that I'm pretty sure he was a soccer goalie, So
I think his foot that is correct. Yeah, his footwork,
his hand eye coordination, and him and a goal his timing,
his timing and his angles like that. Studying some of
those guys brought me back to like the building connections
on different sports, right like Tim Duncan being a swimmer.
I think Akima Lajuwon was a goalie, and so like,

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what can teach you from one sport you can transition
into making you and that kind of like that was
one of the only advantages I had when I went
to college was I wasn't great.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Uh, I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
I didn't have a lot of talent, but because of
my soccer background, I was conditioned really well and that's
that helped me defensively take on angles and footwork and
changing directions and so always fascinated by his how seeing
what a goalie does and how he translates that. Yokic
is like that with water polo. If you watch water polo,
you're essentially watching Yokic post exactly.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
That's how he plays.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah he plays he yeah, like he would he You
can tell how he palms the ball, how he won
touch passes it when it's mid air, how he how
he almost embraces people draping on him, because like you're
you're having to do both of those things, and like
watching him is like watching a water polo there, So
I've never.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Put that together. That's that's the first time I ever
heard that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
So like when I watch Yokic, I see water polo.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
When I watch Embiid, I see how you know, his
soccer background gave him the footwork, the angles, the handoue,
coronation of timing to be so effective at such a
for such a big guy.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, what about James Harden His he watching.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Him plays like listening to like Moonlight Sonata, like never
get sped up, plays at his own pace always, yeah,
always smooth, smooth.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Knows how to knows how to make a basket when
he needs, knows how to just get to us, you know,
just do those those rule books too.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I like that does what he does?
You know?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
All right, let's let's let's jump into the Celtics. Jackie
break into the Celtics. He's twenty twenty two Celtics.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Fifty seven and twenty five went into the All Star
Break with the best record in the NBA at forty
two and seventeen.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Uh coming off of Finals loss.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
The year before, the Golden State added some new key
pieces Malcolm Brogden, Gallinari, Blake Griffin. This was the first
full season with Derek White after bringing him in the
year before, resigned Luke and Sam in the offseason and.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Prior to this year.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
This will be a little foreshadowing for the game lost
the legend Bill Russell in July, which was a huge
loss for the Celtics in the basketball world as a whole.
And of course you got the Jays Jalen Jason from
the year before. So we're yelling coming into this year
and we got Smart still there, and we got a
new head coach, and we got a new head coach

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our main man, what was.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
It like being called to be the nineteenth coach for
the Historics Boston Celtics.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
I mean, that's kind of where my faith came into play.
It just felt like it was a true gift from God. Really,
Like it was like, I don't belong here, you know,
you go through a little bit of like how the
hell did I get here? Slash I don't belong here,
but I also I was put here, you know, by God,
and so like that's really the only way to describe it.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Can you describe to people, our viewers that are from
different cities, how the Celtics are different than any other
NBA Yeah, franchise.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I think it's it's starts with the history, you know,
it starts with the tradition, it starts with some of
the greatest players to have ever played the game, and
then it goes to the city. Like you know, there's
not much difference between how Hugs motivated us the year
we went to the Final four and what it's like
to be in Boston. I think the only way for
a team to maximize itself, not just in one year,

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but in a series of years is like we took
on the identity of West Virginian people, the gritty, the
hard nose, the blue collar. Like he was very adamate
on like playing for something bigger than yourself, And it's
the same thing here. You know, you're playing for something
bigger than yourself. You're not playing for just yourself. You're
playing for the guy next year, but you're playing for
the city. You're playing for the competency of the fans

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and the respect of the fans and the respect of
the organization. And you know that comes with a lot
of responsibility that comes with It's not easy, but it's
necessary and it's a compliment that you get.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
That responsibility to be able to do it.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
But you know, there's nothing better, and it's just different,
and I think it's it's a list of all those things.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Yeah, we'll be right back after this quick break. Let's
get into some of these roster guys. Who who on
this specific team twenty twenty two Boston Celtics, who is
the team asshole, Like the guy that not like an asshole,
but a team asshole our in our world is a
good guy that holds people accountable, may not do it

(59:24):
in the most proper way, but works his dick off. Yeah,
that kind of asshole, not like an asshole.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Yeah, I mean, let's not use that word because I
don't like who's a team enforcer.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Yeah, there's so there's like a few guys.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Everybody is in their own way, right like vocal, Like
Jason does it in one way, Jalen does it in
another way, al does it in another way. For this
season and for his time here, you know, you have
to give that to smart like his ability to do
that and an underlying one who was ended up being
one of the best people I ever coached was Blake Griffin.
You know, he became like just an amazing guy. Uh

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and his ability to lead in different ways, both in
action and in words, and so you know, they all
did it in their own way. But the verbal probably
you know, came from Smart, came from Blake, came from
jailing at times, came from al at times. Jt leads
by example like he's you know, his consistency, and but
he also leads, you know, behind the trenches, the way
he how he you know, treats other people and and uh,

(01:00:22):
you know, his coach ability. So they all do it
in their own way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Now how did Blake do it differently?

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
I mean it was actually interesting because like I didn't again,
I was the interim and then we signed Blake, and
I'm like, shit, like how am I going to coach
this guy?

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Like he was a former number one pick, Like it's Blake.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Griffin and you know, his humility, Like he came in
and our relationship changed, and it you know, motivated me.
When he came to me, it was like, hey, how
can I get better? And for a guy of his
stature and where he's been to have the foresight to
be like, hey, I want to get better, Like how
can I?

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
You know that was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Huge, right, And and you know every time he talked
and decisions that he made, we weren't about him there
about you know winning.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, now you talk about Jason Tatum and how he
treats people, that's probably a huge component of why he
is who he is. What else makes him great?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
I mean I think you live in that space of
like greatness is viewed at as differently.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
And I think another thing when you play.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
For the Celtics and you have a great team and
you have multiple guys, you have to take on everybody's
greatness and you have to allow space in order for
greatness to kind of be exemplified in different ways, right,
And you know, like Al does it in a certain way,
Jalen does it, and Jalen does it in his way
and his approach and his fierceness and his warrior mentality.

(01:01:41):
Jason does it in his consistency and you know, his
ability to just want to be coached all the time
and want to be held accountable, which they all do that, right,
but like you know, so I think that's how he
does it. And you know Al does it in his
you know, the second guy that I was like, man Like,
I think the hardest part about coaching that first year

(01:02:03):
was when we didn't win, and I was like, man,
I let Al down beyond all the other guys. Like,
when you coach a guy, you know who knows he's
got a few years for there was three, four or
five left, you take on the like as we were
talking about earlier, you take on the journey of each
of your guys, right, and you take on the good
and the tough stuff. And the hardest thing to do

(01:02:25):
was knowing after that season that we didn't give.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Al what he deserved.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yeah, and that was that was something that we had
to carry into the next season.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
He's just a consummate professional. When I was there, like,
that was the vet pro guy. Yeah, because when I
was there, it was I went there and I hung
out with you guys in like twenty twenty, like Jalen
and Jason they were still babies. Yeah, you know, Al
was the old guy, and he wasn't old yet. He's
kind of getting old, I mean, but he was the

(01:02:54):
guy that like was the example for how these guys
need to be as a professional. How he came into work,
how is his preparation habits were, how he took care
of his body, how he practiced on the court. That's
all the stuff that I just saw being a fly
on the wall that he that was his leadership. Yeah,
didn't say much, but when he talked, everyone listens.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yeah, And I think everyone does in their own way.
Like I think you know Jalen he does it with
his mindset and his warrior mentality. Jason does it kind
of the way out died it, you know, and you
need both of those. And I think from what you're
talking about when you were there to now, like you know,
you've transitioned into each guy does it in their own way,
and you need each guy's way to be able to

(01:03:37):
set the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Tone and like the temperature of it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
And it's crazy in basketball because of the smaller rosters,
they have such an impact on it. Your five guys
that your guys, they have an impact on everyone. Yeah,
So they all have to come together and do their
individual thing and do it in a different way because
it influences everyone else.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Yeah, and everyone else influences that and it's just kind
of like a melting pot of it is an influence
and I mean it's a chain it is. I think
that's the fun part about building a team and building
an atmosphere in an environment.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Is that fun part of how do you put all
that together?

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
You know, but the guys make it easy, you know,
and I think you know, your best players make it easy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Jason makes it easy, Jalin makes it easy, and then
it just goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Down the list. Yeah, let's jump into the game, Jackie.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
I was gonna say one of my favorite we're talking
building atmospheres here in building cultures. I think one of
my favorite moments, and I'm paraphrasing here, coach, was when
I think Xavier Tillman joined the team and they asked
him what you told him when he first walked in.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
It was don't be a jerk. I love that. Did
I say that, I don't know that's what he said.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Then I said something like, don't be weird, don't like,
don't treat me like a coach.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
I like that, you know, in the sense of like
I always think back to that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
You know, we got we gotta break down the barriers,
like whatever it needs to be said, needs to be said,
like don't I think I was trying to say, like don't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
I think everybody does this, but you see this sometimes, Uh, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Whatever it is your previous relationships with your coaches are,
don't bring in a preconceived notion of what that's going
to be like for us, because I want to do
it completely different, you know, and not to say that
one is better than the other, but let's let's bring
an open mind to how we could build our relationship
and how we're gonna build a relationship as a team together.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
You know, that may not be different. It could be
fabricated to what the other coach did, if that's the
best for the player.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
So like it was more like just coming with an
open mind and we're gonna we're gonna start from scratch.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
We're just gonna do this together.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Sorry for botching neck quote, but I love that that point.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
He's a good guy. I like coaching him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Shoul we get in this game. Let's get into all right.
So before this game, we we talked.

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
Of course, the last time the Celtics had been on
the parquet was a loss to the Warriors and the finals. Uh,
but both teams were expected to contend for the East
here the Sixers and the Celtics. So hi, hope trust
the process, man, trust the process. This was kind of
that's what I've seen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Yeah, marketing ploy keep going, sorry for cutting the marketing
ploy at that Philly they get me, I know. Unfortunately
after you come at me on this right, all that bullshit,
get at it here with your tush push come on. Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
But a little bit turmoil going on in the Celtics
organization coming into this one, with injuries to Robert Williams
to start the season and Gallinari of course, tore up
his knee in the in the Euro Basket planning and
I think Georgia so coming in what a little banged up.
And then of course before this game, a really great
tribute to uh you tore it up in Worlds. Yeah,

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euro basketball. That's that brings a point to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Yes, So, the NFL just passed that one player per
team could go play on the Olympic flag football team.
Really yeah, And I don't know if it's going through
or what, but is there some kind of edge that
you have when your guys go and play for the
country because they're not you know, they could get hurt
or is there like we kind of forget that because

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it's America.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
I think that's always a that's always a point of contention.
But I think the good outweighs are bad.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I think when you have guys want to take on
the responsibility of their country and pray play for another
something bigger than themselves, I think the only right thing
to do is to, uh is to have them do that,
and you take a lot of pride in that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Yeah, it's it's it'll be interesting in football though, because
a it's a different fucking sport only sixteen games.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
It doesn't really but it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
I mean, it's like it doesn't have the history of
what like the you know, no going to play euro
Basket or going to play like it doesn't have that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
I mean it could one day, but it just doesn't yet. Yeah,
but you have a chance to win. I guess it's
cool because you know, I don't know, not every sport
has a chance to win.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
To go to Metal Hall. This is our first time.
So I think I think.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
That that's something that is something that you got to
go after.

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
I'm to get the knees ready, coach, see if I
still got a couple of me, give one of these
little Spanish boys give you get to see what these
Portuguese dudes know about a real shake route.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
They ain't never seen a return they turn out. Coach,
So this is your first game, right, well, how nervous
were you? Did you have nerves going into this? How
did you handle the team? What was your first game?
Like first pregame speech? Did you have something that you
remember from that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
I don't. I get anxious before every game.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Yeah, Like I'm just like, you know, sitting there, I
get more anxious, like I can't you know, so.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
That that's never I hope that never goes away.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
It won't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
I hope that stays.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I don't remember exactly I remember if like, just just
don't make this about your first game. Make this about
how we can win the game, you know, And that's
kind of what I was, like, don't make it about you.
It's really not. It's about you know, we gotta gotta
win the game. It's the first one. But at the
same time, I think you go through of like, you know,
let's see what this is all about, you know. I
think it was like, Okay, what's the difference between being

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an assistant being a head coach?

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
What makes Doc so good? What makes the players so good?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Like I was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
It was I was excited to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
See whether I was going to be good at it
or not right away, and what I was going to
learn from it and how quickly I can make that adjustment.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
But at the same time, I was like, you got
to win this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Game, got to and it couldn't be a more movie
type game where you're playing against the Philadelphia seventy six ers,
against your coaching, against Doc Rivers, who won a championship
in the city you're coaching for that you were probably
a fan of when you were a kid, like that
had to bring some more anxiety, no, or do you

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not worry about them? You?

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
No, No, that's definitely true. Like I think, especially my first year,
and I think it will always be this way. The
people who I looked up to and studied are the
people that I'm in the arena against now, like and
I think, you know, every coach you have to be
able to have a respect for but also steal what
they're great at and try and do it yourself. And
so especially that first year, it was like, as I
was going on the sideline, I was like, Okay, I

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remember this about I remember an article about this coach.
You know, I remember a strength or a weakness about
this coach. I remember a situation of when this coach
did this, and so you take that on and you
try to use it and you try to use it
for yourself and you try to it against them at
some point, and so that's never going to go away either.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah. Now, how was the energy that night in the
in the guard that wasn't That was insane?

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
That was insane. I mean you can't even simulate That's
like it's like taking a drug.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
I've never done that, neither.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
I need my doctor to prescribe me. Boston Garden game night,
Come on now, me going, well, I don't need this
be twelve what little game night, Boston Garden atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Bro. If you could like put that in a pill.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
That is it's different.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
So what was your first test as a head coach
in this game? Coach? You remember a specific time out,
a specific you know, your.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
First test came we were losing, right.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
Yes, we were really Uh started with a nine to
two run, seas were up. Then you got outscored twenty
seven to fifteen for the rest of the first quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Yeah, al a test right of like you know again,
you can plan as an assistant. You know what your
philosophy is going to be, like, what your identity is
going to be like, but you don't know what type
of job you're going to take over until you're in,
until you're in it. And so like, you know, I
had just gotten the interview for the Utah job, which
is obviously wasn't a different place than what the Celtics

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were in, and so like your mind is like, okay,
like I'm a young coach sitting on the back bench,
I'm probably going to take over a rebuild at some point,
like you know, And then you know a week later,
you're taking over a team that has championship expectations. Of
all those fucking notes you took on, like you know
that they really just don't matter. They may matter at
some point, but they don't right now. And so you're
still you're kind of using more of your instincts than

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you are using your experiences because you don't have any experiences,
and so I just remember like, okay, like how am
I intentially going to handle this run that we're on
or this losing And then it was like it was
a close game and down the stretch, I remember you know,
we ran one play three or four times and got
three or four different great looks out of that towards
the end of the game, which kind of gave us
the win there. And so there was a lot to

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unpack there in the game, you know, managing those runs,
managing your time out, communication, managing the end of game
about where the ball is going to, how you're going
to execute it, what are the matchups, so all those
things they came right in Game one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Yeah, I remember the plays that we ran.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
I mean, Grant was a huge part of executing some
of those off ball actions that we got a couple
open threes and a layup on. And it was a
fruition of some of the stuff that we know we
needed to get better at throughout the season, where our
off ball actions, and you know, Game one kind of
tested that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Now do you remember that and what you just said,
those situations in this specific game because it was your
first your first game, or do you have like a
photographic memory where you remember like coaches usually did. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
I don't want to give I don't want to give
myself the credit of saying I have a photographic memory,
but I remember I remember I can remember a lot,
a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Yeah, I can remember pinpoint situations.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yeah. Yeah, because it's crazy coaches they always yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
It's all we're watching. Yeah, you know, you end up
watching one game three or four times and then it
becomes embedded and then you use everything as a reference point.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
And even more probably if you play that team again
and if you want to get back.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
So it ends up like, yeah, I got a good memory,
but at the same time, I'm constantly retrieving it, watching stuff,
watching the same stuff. So it's more about the retrieval
over and over again. And then you need this situation
to be able to uh uh, to fall back on
for something else, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Do you guys break down? Do you guys have situational
basketball like we do in fair Thing? Yeah, I think
I said, And that's one of the things that Bill
was so big on, and he was one of the pioneers,
which some people could say it was parcels, which it
probably was, but breaking down the game and situations, you
guys have like a two minute basketball, like playing more.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
End a quarter, start a quarter, end of the quarter,
the start of the quarter, end of a half, last
two or three minutes. You know, to me, that's where
the I mean similar to that's where the games are
won and lost. If you get to the point of
where it's a close game, it's a I mean the margins.
I mean it sounds redundant, and but it just that
that it's the end all be all.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Yeah, the end all be all, all the margins.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
And they leave this they controlling the margins get will
dictate how much grace you're allowed to have throughout the game.
You know, and you know, if you get into a
situation of where it's a one point game, uh in
the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
It's it's it's it's almost one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Hundred percent because of there was a margin won or
lost in a situation. And then the second piece is like,
how do you manage those runs? Every team's going to
go on a run. It's can you not have it
twenty seven to fifteen? Can it be nineteen to fifteen
run or twenty one to fifteen run. I think those
two things get lost in the shuffle of all the
stuff that you know gets talked about amongst games.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Of why you won or lost. They get paid too. Yeah,
this is National Basketball Association. Okay, they're fucking good. Yeah,
there's gonna be some big ass plays. You got to
be able to have a short memory, boys. Yeah, get
back into the new situation. Jack, can you walk us
through until halftime?

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
First quarter was was defined by that run that we
talked about, and Harden got found on three three pointers,
which is incredible, like just insane that the Garden was
not loving it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
We weren't loving it. Eight for eight on free throws.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
He had sixteen in the first big for JB in
the second fourteen shots seventy one percent in the second quarter.
The Celtics did as a team. No turnovers was a
big one in that one to Harden finished the first
half with four to three, so he and indeed were
heating up doing the pick and roll thing. They're both
getting going. Uh tied it up at the half after
a big second quarter. That takes us into the half.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
So halftime, what's what's the what's the locker room like?

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Under the coach, I think you're as soon as that
horn goes off, even during the first half, you're I'm
constantly saying, Okay, what did we do well, what didn't
we do well?

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
What hurt us?

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
And you try to anticipate on what's going to happen
in the second and then when the horn goes off,
it's about a forty five second to a minute walk
to the back. You're you're kind of deciding about like
all right, like what does the team need.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Right now in this moment? And then you know, what
are we going to focus on?

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
And so in that game, you're talking about the you know,
you follow a three point shooter three times and you
give them nine potential points out of that that you
have to take that away. And so I think you're
just constantly and but it changes, right, Sometimes you're in
there and you show film, you know. Sometimes you're in
there and like you don't show any film. Sometimes it's like, okay,
who does an individual player need something? Or does the

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team need something? And so you're just constantly diagnosing what
needs what at that moment, figuring out like, Okay, where
do we need to be better that we can control?
Where do we need to be better? Are the things
that you know we sucked at? And then you know,
try to get ready for the second half.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
There, Now, how long is the halftime?

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
It's fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
By the time you get back to the locker room,
It's like thirteen thirty and then you got three and
a half minutes to look at the halftime minute to
see what you want to show, and you try to
show the half time innute at like ten.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
So do you have cause like whenever our halftime it
was it was clockwork. We would come in for halftime,
it was thirteen minutes or twelve minutes. Coaches would have
two minutes together while we were undrained, like let our
emotions get down, and then we break up into O
and D. Offensive coach would have his four keys that
were going into defensive coach would have his four keys.

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We'd have two minutes there. Then we'd have two minutes
as a team, and then special teams would have one
minute or what you like, it was broken down like
do you guys have a moment where like that or
it's different because you guys are so small.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Yeah, it's different. So I think you're in the back.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
As far as roster size.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
No, by the time we get to the team, it's
probably four clips offense, four clips defense, or if one
side of the ball is just so much more drastically
different impacting the game, you just focus on that. But
it's like that in the staff of like, you know,
the offense team will give their insight, the defense team
will give their insight. Then the coach doing the halftime
minute kind of puts in, you know, order of what's

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most important, and you're just so in that three and
a half minutes, you're kind of deciding, Okay, what's the
most important? Is is it a Are both important or
are we focusing on one?

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Yeah, Jackie, let's go to the second half.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
In the second half, really turn up that defensive intensity
on Embeid, almost like doubling on the catch. The coverage
was awesome. Smart was in there making it hard for him,
not getting to his spots. And then, as we talked
about a little bit earlier, creating fast break opportunities five
for five on turnovers in the third Celtics were off
sixers turnovers.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
I think that's where we changed the matt up and
put Smart Unembid.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Yep. Yeah, and he was able to draw a couple file.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
He was able to Smart was able to take advantage
of that matchup defensively, you know, raising some hell and
and creating that. That was a big shift in that game.
And then you know, we ended with I believe we
ended with It was Jason, Jalen, al Grant, Uh and
Derek was the end lineup. I believe that that put
the matchups, you know, embid head to decide who he

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was gonna, you know, be matched up with. And that
was kind of like our five out lineup because we
had five guys that were skilled, could pass, cat shoot
him and changed.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
I think that changed the momentum of the game a
little bit, it really did.

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
And then and JT was getting downhill all third seventeen,
just in the third alone, like attacking the rim, getting fouled, uh,
just really taking over. And then of course wouldn't be
a Celtic Sixers game without a little scuffle.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Baby. We got smart and Inmbeid going at it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Yeah, I mean that's why you put the match up
there is you know, smart and take advantage of those moments.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
And then in the fourth really opened up that lead
and came out of this by.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
One on the fourth though, I know, but but it's
the grace of winning the third, yes, you know. And
so yeah, that's the margins, the margins we had how
many turnover was did we force in the third quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Of six five five scored on all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Yeah, you forced five live ball turnovers and you score
on that that can change the game.

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
And then you look back to the whole game, like
coach was saying, and the Margins won the fast break
scoring advantage twenty four to two, which is massive.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
But what was the points off turnovers?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
Points off turnovers? Ours were twenty two twenty two to fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Yeah, yeah, so they weren't necessarily fast break points as
much as they were like points off our defense, Like,
you know, so that's huge.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
And then end up winning this thing one twenty five
one seventeen thirty five apiece from Jalen and JB.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
That's huge. First thought that comes to your mind after
getting your first win in the NBA of your childhood
freaking team in the garden, Like, what's that first thought?

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
I don't suck as much as I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Happily miserable? Is that bug is deadly miserable? That was
really it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
I was like, man, I didn't like, I remember I
remember my dad's voice, like, don't fuck this up. I
was like, Okay, I didn't fuck it up too bad? No,
got a shot at this thing. Yeah, yeah, you remembered
your dad's voice. Yeah, don't fuck it up man, that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:20:13):
Aftermath in February, the interim tag was removed was awesome,
rightfully so. Celtics winning the season series against Philly three
to one. Beat Philly in the second round of the playoffs.
Epic seven game series made the playoffs for this ninth
consecutive season. We did upset by Miami in the Eastern
Conference Finals in seven games less. Fast forward to twenty

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twenty three, twenty twenty four, raised Banner eighteen beating Dallas
four to one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Baby brought that Larry O'Brien trophy back home. I mean
this some could say this is the start of the
new generation Celtics. This specific game. That's how important this
specific game could, yep, be considered. Tell people what it's
like to win a ship entitled town. To me, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
You feel that you feel the responsibility to the city, uh,
to the people, but really to the players. And there's
so many people in the organization that do so much
that people don't know about and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Staff, the lunch ladies, yeah, the people that let you
in the facility, people parking lady, the parking people, the
people that clean up after you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
But also the business side, right, people in the business,
and so I think it's a culmination of uh, gratitude
for everybody involved and and you know, to the city,
but for me it's it's uh you know, my my
priest sent me a text the day of the parade
and me and Luke Cornett talked about this. Winning the

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parade is very similar to Palm Sunday. It's not Easter,
you know, and Palm Sunday is is it puts you
now now it gets harder.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Palm Sunday is the week before Easter. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and then you got ash Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Yeah, no, no Friday, aginning, you got Palm Sunday, Good Friday,
Holy Thursday, good Friday, and then Easter. And so winning
is like Palm Sunday because you're waiting for that next
Easter it may or may not come. That that's the
space of like happily miserable, of duality of there's the
people and the players, and then there's like that space

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between Palm Sunday and Easter. And all all we're doing
now is we're in that space of that week of
trying to get back to Easter. And you gotta do it,
but you may not, may not may stop a good Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
He may not come.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
It may stop a good Friday, and you fight like
hell to to make sure you get another one. I mean,
when that horn went off, that's the only thing I
thought about, how we're going to do this again?

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
What do we have to do? And not in an
unhealthy way. I think.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
You know, you live in a space of like I
don't know how long I'm gonna do this, but for
however long, that has to be the focus. It's got
to be the relationships to people. And it's got to
be like how do we get back to Easter Sunday again?
And you just have to constantly think about that every day.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
You ain't got to explain yourself to here people. You know,
people don't understand when you're in the grind of trying
to chase your dreams, and once you get your dreams,
you recalibrate your dreams, like you don't have time to
sit back and say, man, this is cool. You don't
like you don't get time to enjoy it. People that
are successful as certain things, they can say they enjoy it,

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but if they're having a long sustained career in something,
it's hard to enjoy it. Like I didn't enjoy my
career until I retired because I was in the heat
of it. After each year, whether you win, you're you're
more stressed because you have to reinvent yourself. You lose
your fucking pissed off the whole time from not winning,
and you still got to reinvent yourself and you have

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to still reinvent yourself. How many years did you play?
Twelve twelve years is not much.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
And comparatively speaking into your life, no, without a doubt,
and so like it's not unhew healthy to live in
that space for ten twelve years.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
It's a balance.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
People.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Family are important, but so is going after greatness. And
there's no trajectory as to what it's going to look like,
you know, Like you know, that's the perspective that we
talked about. Do I think we'll get another one, Absolutely,
we have to. But the spurs one to five over
the course of ten years, you know, the eighty one
team took eighty two and eighty three and all that

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pain to come back in eighty four, you know. And
so it's just this journey that we're on together. And
you got about a ten to fifteen year window in
life to do something to really go after something and
you got to do it for however, you know you
got to you gotta do it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
You gotta do it. Let's great the game, coach got
me ready to run so far all let's name the game.
These are some names we came up with. If you
haven't suggestion, you can you can give us the suggestion,
of course. The first one is the sweetest Joe's First Game,
the Joe Opener. This one's jo the Jopener. This one's

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for Bill because Bill Russell rp.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Oh, yeah, that one you didn't have to finish the
rest of This one's for Bill. This one's for Bill.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
What did Bill Russell mean to the Celtis organization?

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
I'll tell you what, Like you realize what he means.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
And then you hear about Jalen talk about what he
means from a from a off the court perspective, and
he sets the tone. Uh, he sets the standard of
what it's like to be a Celtic. I've so enjoyed
what listening to Jalen talk about how he's impacted him
and and uh, you know how he's impacted the game.
And it's been great to see the relationship that Red

(01:25:38):
and Bill have had but it's also in to see
from Celtic City. Like you know, this goes back to
what we talked about the beginning of like you only
remember the good things, Like it wasn't always easy for him,
you know, it wasn't always easy for teammates. Like his teammates,
they they argued, they felt a certain way about each other,
They had good times in bad times. There's the picture
of Bill sitting in the ice tub reading his critics

(01:25:59):
in the newspaper, Like the criticism was always there the episode.
There are no final victories. That's the space between Palm
Sunny and Easter is like it's never going to be
good enough. And even a guy as good as him,
he felt that and that's never going to go away.
And so he just is an example of so many
different things that you can look back onto as a
Celtic but also as a person.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
The greats they all have one thing. They have the
ability to compartmentalize like no other. That's something that like
Tom Brady I noticed, you notice from him, like whatever
was going on in his life, how he was at work,
was it was work time.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Yeah, it's not always that's that That space is difficult though,
because then you just feel nothing. No, you're you're essentially
a serial killer. Ye, no, you are. You are, And
like you drag your wife and kids into it. You
drag your family into won't get into that, but yes,
you just dragged Like like, my wife is dragged into this.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
This is her life. But she loves it and I'm
grateful for that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
She's every great coach has a great wife.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
And sit at the game with her. She's a fucking maniac.
Maniac off to sit in the game. Actually pretty awesome
to watch. I'm actually it's actually really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Is she from out here? She's from West Virginia, West Virginia.
Let's go. You brought you brought someone? Dial below that
that Macy Dixon line up here to the north. All buddy,
let's score the game. Is this the greatest game of
all time? Let's score it. Seventy six Ers versus the
Celtics season opener, twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three

(01:27:29):
NBA season coach Missoula's first game as head coach of
the Boston Celtics, stakes zero to ten. Decimal's okay, coach, I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Mean you stakes were pretty high. Would imagine you can't
be an intern? And lose your first game. That's kind
of your fucked Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
What are you gonna have? Zero to ten? Descis ten? Ten?

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
I've never been in that situation. I don't know the
coach's life, but I'll give it an eight.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
I want ohoh three point two? Man?

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
What is my what do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
I'm Russian judging us. I'm tripping, geez louise.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
A five point one regular season game. Our perspective, your
perspective obviously at ten.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Yeah, star power of the game, a lot of great.
That's a ten ten?

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Ten?

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
We are we, coach? Are we all right? Ten? I
will go look Jalen and Tatum, they weren't them yet.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
They combined for seventy points.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
I know, but we're talking in time and place in
the in the era of where it was at. I'm
gonna go with an eight point one. I went with
an eight point nine.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Let's go seven point nine.

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
All I'm really kicking myself for that stake score. I'm sorry, coach,
that's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
The gameplay of this game, back and forth, how it
was visually for the viewer, could be gameplay for you
as a coach. How you had to coach situationally zero
to ten decimals. Okay, I'll go eight and a half.
I'm gonna go. It was an opener gameplay. Crowd was
going cranking, go with it. Eight, we're all there names

(01:29:07):
and ten the name is a ten, coach new I'm
gonna go with the nine point five. It's it's the
great one. We did a we did an autograph signing
my rookie year with him.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
I got ja.

Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
I scored this before we knew what we decided on.
I'm got to give this a ten. Yeah, the greatest
winner of all time ten.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
At a one point eight. I want to change it
for eighteen championships. I'm gonna go for say, you know one, actually,
you know what? Eight point one?

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Yeah? I like that. Now, where does it stack up
into the games we've done all time?

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Was Patrick Waller goalie in that two thousand and one
broke Stanley Cove.

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
Yeah, we're doing that one tomorrow anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Yeah, he was he the goalie.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Yeah, and then Brenda Moore was the goalie for the doubles,
the no Martin Berger Martin Brow.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Yeah, I remember those two goalies. They were fucking that
in incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
So you're a hockey guy played NHL as a kid
the Detroit Red Wings with my team.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
They had Chris Osgood and you know, but beween the pipes.
He was big time. Everyone Chris was on that team.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Was on that team.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
Nicholas Lindstrom was a hell of a defender.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
McCarty, Yeah, you know so, but I mean Martin Broda
versus Patrick Wattan, you don't get a better game than that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
Fighting Night at the Joe is one of our highest
recommended game tomorrow. Just so you know, this will be
coming out way later tomorrow. Stanley Cup's coming here with
Ray Bork. We're talking about that game. Yeah, over the moon.
Who else was on that team?

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
It was?

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
It was a forward, you know, the I'll think about
the Red Wings. The Red Wings had a forwards that
was unbelievable. I think he was a Russian guy.

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
No, oh federal off, Yeah he was.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
He was big.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
You know your NHL head. Yeah, like sports, but I
mean you always learn the rosters through playing the video game, Yeah,
no question, Like that's how I know FIFA like soccer.
Ye sick. We'll be right back after this quick break.
Where'd the game at?

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
Was an eight point one one? It puts us it's
our new thirty fourth game overall, just behind the two
thousand and seven Western Conference Playoffs game five Mad versus
Warriors that we did with Mark Cuban, and then uh
Believe game. That's what we did with Russello, right, No,
this was the Davison Daron Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Yeah, we Believe Warriors.

Speaker 4 (01:31:18):
And then just ahead of the Avery real game Devils
versus Rangers, they go, we did a Sean Avery.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
So thirty four it's not bad, it's not good.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
No regular season game, it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
And you can come on and you have plenty of
games that will score a lot higher.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Malcolm Butler game.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
I was on a bus for Glenville State College driving
back from a game, watching it on my phone when
he got the interception, remember that one.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
I was sick Merracle on ice. That's a great movie.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Low for fourth, but it's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
I mean that's a great one.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
We stopped the Cold War snowball game. That was huge.
Snow Yeah, we did, you like, are your wrestling fan
w W? Yeah? Yeah, which ones we have.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
On Becky Lynch we did. We also do one with
Sean Sean Michaels, the young Man.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
That match was insane. You don't have you don't have
the Rock, you don't have the Astrodome. What was the
wrestle manning at the Astrodome was at the Rock versus
Stone Cold.

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
See, so there are plenty of matchups that aren't on
our list because we haven't done then yet.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
These are all games that we've This is the games
that we've had.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
I think the Rock stone Cold at the Astrodome.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
One that was like that our age.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
And then you have the Rock man kind on the
on the just know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
The steel case cage. Yeah, the tax Yeah, I used
to love that ship. I mean that was like, if
you told me it wasn't real, I would I would
putch you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
In the face. I guess suspended for giving a sucket
signed to my teacher.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Yeah, I mean, who didn't been there? We've all been there.
X Poc was one of my favorite x pock with
the Rodeo because he was small. Yeah, he was fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
X Poc was huge, Coach, did we miss anything from
this game?

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Game was the worst part about today.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
This game's fucking awesome. We in Boston are are very
extremely happy and excited to have you as our head coach.
It's a person from the community. You know, it's amazing
you've gone out and you've had great success early on
in your career and you look to learn to get
it to continue it. Like you're constantly learning. That's something

(01:33:22):
that I've always felt when I've talked to you in
our conversations. Hasn't been many, but you're always on like
the hunt to learn. You're always trying to take something
from someone to help your team. And I think, man,
it's it's been a pleasure to get to know you.
Thank you, and I appreciate you coming on here.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Yeah, no, thanks for paving the way with the success
you've had as a player. And I've said all the time,
like the people before us, because they've won, they've made
this job what it is. And the best compliment in
the gift that you have is coaching in Boston, coaching
the Celtics, coaching for the responsibility in the ownership of
going after championships every year. But also I think just
as important as that is trying to take on the

(01:34:03):
identity of the city and take on the identity of
what it means to be an athlete or a person
in Boston and what it means to be a competitor
for the Celtics.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Those two things. Every day I wake up.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
I'm grateful for that, you know, because I don't know
how long it's going to last, but for however long
it does, you got to make sure we try to
leave it in a better place. And I think, you know,
credit to our former ownership of Wicked PAGs is they
got it and they left it in a better place.
And I'm thankful to them for giving the opportunity. And
then now we have you know, new ownership and Bill
and and Wick and and you know they'll look to

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do the same thing. And it's just the ultimate responsibility.
So I'm forever grateful to the city and to people
like you've, you know, paved the way for us.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Oh Man.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
From a fan perspective, Coach, thank you for everything you do. Man,
I look up to you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
I love you.

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
You've given me some of my best sports memories of
all time, So Jack, thank you you guys. I was
at Game five with Sam and I think a lot
of us are best memories in life revolved around sports,
and they do.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
That's right up there at the tippy tippy top.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
So we got creating.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Forever grateful for you. More. Yes, let's create more. Everyone
go check them out. Boston Celtics mindset is gonna be
on fire this year. Let's go and thank you coach
Joe Missoula. Thanks brother man a white whale guest for me.
He's he's got a mindset. I'm excited to watch him
continue his coaching career. Me too. And I feel like

(01:35:22):
I'm a little more invested to the Celtics now because
I'm rooting for him.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
Oh, me too. Like I would run through a wall
for Joe. I'd go to battle for Joe. I'd go
to the depths of hell for Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
I do.

Speaker 5 (01:35:32):
I'm a Joe guy, and that would just put it
over the top. Took it to a whole other level.
And there's kind of this weird We talked about it
a little bit, but when you don't win the ship
and when the season comes up short and it feels
like a failure, like me as a fan, he going
to kind of more like You're like, it's a weird
you know what I mean. The whole offseason is just

(01:35:52):
a bummer. But hearing from Joe and his positivity and
his mindset and a tenacity like I'm back.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
Baby needed that miserable. He loves it. He loves it.
We just sent him like fifteen new hoodies.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
Yeah, we're gonna start to that's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
A happily miserable.

Speaker 5 (01:36:07):
We got it over that big time. That's a joe.
He loves that. Doing a happily miserable segment. Maybe every
once in a while we can talk about the things
that makes us happy that we're miserable about.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Well, let's let's let's pump the breaks boys.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
Cheez, it's a.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
Three sixty situation. See, the segment will help us sell merch.
The merch will help us.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Let's just pump the breaks. Okay, it's time. You know
what it's time for. It's time for the Chill Zone,
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Speaker 5 (01:36:43):
It's pretty cool. He opened it with one hand like that. Cheers, Bubba.
You've never done that. My decksterity not quite that good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
I don't know. I'm a two hinder. That's like, I
don't know. That just feels white trash to me.

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
You just be like, now it feels like that's like
your little Texan guy coming out your reach over, grab
you court.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
I think that was like how one of like my
uncle's friends used to open the beer. He was the man. No,
he was complete degenerate. Sounds like my kind of guy. Yeah,
we were. I think we were at like my grandma's trailers.
Let's get into this though.

Speaker 5 (01:37:22):
Since this episode was all about the Celtics and there's
this there's this great bond between athletes, especially in Boston,
we want to pull back the curtain a little bit
and talk to you, Jules about what it's like to
hang out with other pro athletes from other sports, within
your sport, around the league, just everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
In that kind of bond you guys have.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
When you're yourself are a pro athlete, how those friendships
are made, how they're maintained, Just kind of kind of
get a sense of how it is because you know,
as a fan, you wonder, is that guy really budgs with?
That Guy's that guy you know like and it's it's
I think it's especially cool in Boston.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
So yeah, you know, early in my career, I would
see Veritek got a lot of like charity pet colts
I never really saw Padoya always wanted to. I mean
we I used his bat and batting practice, laser show,
Laser show, laser show. Uh so that was like my
my red Sox. And then I used to hang out
with what's his name, Gabe Napoli. Napoli, you know, we

(01:38:18):
used to like it's in those days. We would see
each other at local bars. That's when Daisy Buchans was
still around, and that was like legendary spot. That was
a legendary spot and so you would see a lot
of guys there. And then we go to I remember
going to like this Chinese restaurant after hours and I
would see Baby Davis and a lot of the Celtics there. Baby,

(01:38:40):
you'd go there and I'm not going to say the
name of the establishment, but all you had to do
is ask for cold tea and they give you a
bucket of beer after two. So like that's where I
would see a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:38:51):
This hold on. So you're at the club, you're at
a bar at something, and you see like the Celtics
guys over there. How does that like does someone go up?
Do you like guys wreck as each other? Like like
is it just like a head nod or like, how
does that actually go down?

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
It depends because like, I don't. I wasn't. I was
still young. Then I became closer with Like I met
Jalen Brown a few times a game and hang out.
We hung out a couple of times, and the old
the newer Celtics, the older one. I was still too
young in my prime and I didn't live in the
city yet, so that was early on my career. I
would come into the city. When I moved to the city,

(01:39:25):
that's when I started hanging out more like nap and
you know, a couple of Celtics. I would see them.
I went and spent time with them at their facility,
so I got to know them a little. I hung
out with the Bruins when we were young Segs Thornton.
I would see me Lan. We would have beer chugging
contests at Demonica's anytime Loocher's around. It was just like

(01:39:48):
we're chugging beers those guys. You know. It always happened
at like either a charity event or at local establishments.
You go to Southis, you'd see some of the Bruins
out and then nowadays it's simply because of social Yeah,

(01:40:13):
I mean, now you could we both follow each other
and something you you comment on a story, they comment
on one of yours, and that's how you stay in touch.
So that's like the cool thing about it. Uh, you know,
you can still stay in touch with guys via social
without even having to talk to them. But like athlete
friendship is also different. Friendship like I could like I

(01:40:34):
didn't I haven't seen you know, example, I go to
Cardonia's wedding. I haven't seen Ryan Allen in seven years
since he left, and you know, we see each other.
It's like we haven't not seen each other, didn't miss
the seven years and didn't miss a beat. And it's
like that because you understand when you're a professional athlete
that like your life is pretty much predicated around your

(01:40:56):
your sports schedule and the times that you do cross
paths with other guys. You enjoy those times, but sometimes
you just don't have time to like, hey man, what
do you know? What are you doing here there that
you know? So you know? And then Celtics games. You
go to Celtics games and there'd always be I used
to go to I think I went to a Celtics

(01:41:16):
game with bradmorshawan once with Duly Coo. Yeah, the same
as Mars Gronk used to go a lot with them. Uh,
you would see some of the Celtics or you would
see you'd see all the Celtics. You would see some
of the Red Sox.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
If you're going to like let's say you're going to
a Celtics game with whoever, are you interacting with the
Celtics like after or before or like like because they
if the Celtics, Oh, we know that's a Patriots guy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
You connect or something. It's ahead nod. Let I know
they're working. Yeah, you know, I remember when you know
you have people at the game and you know, like
this is their job, you know. I like what's up?
Adapt maybe you know, maybe an inner joke with Jalen
I love when jab comes DAPs you up?

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
How does that when you were a football player, because
so far removed from the state, Like are you ever
noticing guys that are in town or people?

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
You know what you would see because like after teams
would win, they would come and we'd had cool like
they would wear like a Patriot jersey or in Boston
Celtics jersey or a Bruins like there was a lot
of those types of things where you would go to
their games. We dropped pucks, we threw first pitches, and
they would come to our games to be honored before
the game or at halftime or something like that. And

(01:42:30):
it's different. I was never like a key, key kind
of guy before a game, like like you know, yeah,
but buddy, yeah, we weren't doing that. I wasn't. At
least I would give a head nod or something. But
I had to like mentally put myself in a different
place to to go out and perform. Like I didn't.

(01:42:51):
Like even McAfee talks about it. Like when I used
to like look at the other punters, I was trying
to intimidate them like I wanted I would go right
next to them, like watching I loved like the pregame
psychological battles, you know, like or or like looking at
a dB a certain way like I played with some

(01:43:13):
of those day. Fuck that not today, you know what
I mean. That's that's how I saw guys do it.
That's how I was kind of told to approach it,
and then that's how I developed it. But getting back
to other athletes, you know it, we were talking with Joe,
it's pretty cool to get to play for this city.

(01:43:34):
Like it's insanely cool to get to play for Boston
and have this part of your identity because it's such
a huge pivotal sport identity like this. This could be like,
you know, New York's a big market this that, but
like this is a huge crazy like pro sport town

(01:43:56):
where they've had but they've all got to taste success. Well,
all being good, was.

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
There a been like a sibling rivalry between the sports
in a city like Boston, Like, oh, they want a
championship more recently, that's we got to go out and
do it, Like, is there anything of that? Friendly?

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
Friendly? It was never like fuck DMN, yeah they wanted.
It was more like may motivation, fucking Bruins just want one.
Let's go get one. That was our time. Yeah, that's
our time. I saw that damn parade. It look pretty
damn fun because you know, the Bruins won right before
I we won I think was eleven or twelve eleven,
and then three years later we won our first really
in the first and ten years for the Patriots, so

(01:44:33):
people were kind of forgetting about us, you know, the
Red Sox, you know what I mean. And then the
Celts had eight, so like there is a time where
it's a motivation factor that everyone had one except us,
as in the Patriots, and even the Patriots before our
time had one, so individually for that and like era team,

(01:44:57):
it was like, Yo, I'm sick and already hearing about
these fucking old Patriots. I'm sick and tired of hearing
about we're the only ones without a ship. Like that's
the kind of shit how I used it. At least
I can't speak for everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:45:09):
So taking it outside of Boston, you kind of mentioned
it slightly earlier, How does it? How do you like
meet other players in the league if you didn't ever
like play with them or like being in high school
with them or callegs with them, how do you meet
those guys?

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Early in my career would be like word of mouth
type stuff teammate of a teammate now social media, but
I remember early in my career, you know, Larry Fitzgerald
used to hold this camp in the off season for receivers.
Is like one of the first, Like you know there's
tight End University. Larry was doing that kind of stuff,
you know, twenty years ago, fifteen years ago, where you know,

(01:45:45):
a bunch of receivers would go there, big name guys
and then you know, I was going into like my
second or third year, and I you know, I heard
I got Charlie Fry used to go throw with them.
So I asked, Charlie if I go. Larry said, no problem,
come and so like we went and had like a
training seminar for like a week together where I went

(01:46:05):
and trained, We'd run routes and like, yeah, that was
just word of mouth, and that was through a teammate.
You know. Now it's it's really easy, you know, just
all you got to do is tap in. You can
get to anyone and say, man, hey, love your game,
you know, or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:24):
Are there any like off season like congregation points, like oh,
a lot of guys go to La to train, or
a lot of guys go to like, you know, Arizona
to train in that week.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
So a lot of the there's like usually there's like
five hubs early. You know, back in my day it
was like Arizona like and the off season, guys would
chase the Sun want to be able to train and
work out in Sun or in their hometowns. A lot
of guys come from the South. You know, a lot
of guys come from South Florida. So South Florida was

(01:46:52):
a big one. The Tampa there was like training facilities there.
It was like the APIs the EXOSS, and there's these
other ones that were coming. They'd be South Florida, there'd
be one in Texas. There'd be guys that go to
Texas somewhere either Austin or or Houston or Dallas. There'd
be a group of people in Scottsdale. That's where Larry was,
so that's where I flew out too to do that

(01:47:14):
receiver camp. And then there was California group, which was
usually like LA. You know, there'd be usually guys in LA.
You get a lot of like transplant guys that would
come in for you know, three or four days.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
When I was training at API that turned into EXOS,
we would I would train there for like three months,
but there'd always be new guys in and out because
they do a commercial in LA, but they still need
to get their workouts in, so they'd come to API
get their workout in through and we'd jump into groups
and and and then we would train. And that was

(01:47:48):
like some of the coolest stuff of about the off
season is when I would train and there'd be like
a group of guys TJ. Ward and and you know,
I remember training a lot with him at Exo because
he was an l A guy. You know, That's how
me and Am and Dola met training at at in
l A.

Speaker 4 (01:48:07):
Sound was before you guys were teammates.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Before we were teammates, you know, So we started training together.
There was a group of guys. You go to u
c l A and there'd be a group of receivers
and coaches out or not coaches, receivers and quarterbacks, they're
like coaches. They would run it and we'd you know,
run routes and that was like a way to a compete.
B look at how other guys train, see like steel

(01:48:33):
techniques and and look at like movements because like we
didn't have Instagram like what it was now or TikTok
on what it is now, where you could see how
everyone trains. Like we would all like congregate to like
u c l A use their practice fields. There'd be
a group of guy I remember Odell would come out.
There'd be those group of guys. Uh TJ. Houshman Z

(01:48:55):
OUTA used to come out so like you'd always have
these guys the lay and then there would be transplant
guys that were here for training, and then everyone would
go there and run routes and that was I loved
that stuff, you know. And then also you know, I
came out here, I came out to Or. I went
to LA because that's where Tom lived at the time
and he trained, and so we would go to his

(01:49:16):
quarterback coach, Tom House, and I developed such a relationship
with him that even when Tom was gone, I would
go to Tom House because he had always had pro
arms like I would throw with like Matt Stafford, I
would throw with Jared Goff. I would throw a lot
with like the cast Matt Kasso. I threw with Carson

(01:49:37):
Palmer a bunch because he was in LA, but that
was a different group. But like I would, I would
go to where the arms were, the NFL arms, because
I wanted to catch live balls. I wanted to catch
balls from guys that were throwing an NFL ball. You know,
JUG's machine's great, and that's great for like strengthening your hands,
but you know, the ball comes out differently when you're

(01:49:57):
running full speed and it's coming off a live arm,
and that that ultimately, for me, was my best way
to prepare was running a lot of routes, so I
would look for the arms.

Speaker 5 (01:50:07):
You can't go get a beer with a drugs gun
like you can Matthew Stafford afterwards, either exactly, I'll tell
you why that ball didn't hit the turf that day.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
And how do those sessions work? Are they like or
what's the vibe? Are they kind of chummy or do
they sometimes they get a little like competitive and a
little bit like depends on who who's there or does
any rivalries exist into those things where like oh this
guy beat us last playoff, you I'm going a little harder.
I'm gonna have a little Now.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
Which sessions are we talking workout sessions are throwing sessions?

Speaker 4 (01:50:33):
Well, explain me the difference.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
First, So you know, the workout session was literally at
a workout facility. So you go to exos and you
do like your plometrics, your field work, your explosion work,
weight room work, and then you would condition. That was
like like an hour workout that was like fast tempo,
constant competition. That was great because you do like all
these you know, change of direction, drills and you were

(01:50:58):
racing guys, so like it it brought in you know,
it brought up the intensity. You know, you go do
that by yourself. Yeah, you can be intense, but you're
gonna you're adrenaline raises at least mind does when there's competition,
so you know it could fuck up your technique, but
you're gonna be going hard. No, So you know, we
would play against each other here and there, but like

(01:51:20):
it was different in the offseason. We were all there
selfishly to get better, so like you could put it away.
There was truth. There was truth, but like there was
also I mean there are times where guys would compete
and guys would get up in each other's faces. You know,
like that's anytime you have a fucking bunch of high strung,
fucking professional athletes got these you know, we were all competitors,

(01:51:45):
So yeah, there would be shit talking in the weight room,
like the weight and the workout ship usually our routes.
Not really. It was kind of like it was kind
of like doing infield showing off, you know, like when
you do infield baseball, and that was your way to
kind of swag out and show people.

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
Courses before the Kentucky Derby to trot around.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
Yeah, so like dout them all over the first you know,
so guys would naturally compete through how they ran their
route and the smoothness of how they cut or their
explosion in and out of a break or they're selling
of a double move route like that was their way
of like competing. We didn't have many one on ones,

(01:52:26):
like I think now I see one on ones. It
was there really just for conditioning and and and like
route technique, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:52:38):
Do you ever learn anything about like another player from
those sessions that you brought back into the New England
be like, hey, you know what, Carson Palmer, take a
look at this, or this is this or you just
that's not really the mentality that goes into those.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
You talk with guys. But you also like you wouldn't
tell them everything. Yeah, if they were telling you everything,
that's all on that. This ain't no patient client confidentiality. Amen,
I think it's gonna help our team.

Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
So if you're planning.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
He said, you got no hippocratic oaths plas, you're at
the point like it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
Yeah, you're actually gonna learn in that moment. That's actually
gonna go to the next level.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
You can take little things like on how guys like
cut in and out of breaks or how you know,
you know they would sell something, you know, head shoulder movements,
you know, like that's the kind of shit you would take.
Stacking the ball, tracking the ball, uh, those types of things.

Speaker 4 (01:53:44):
Was there ever a session earlier in your career excluding
Tom that you were in one of those sessions and
you're kind of the slaptick and some like hot shot,
like big swinging dick guy was there that you're like,
oh my god, like Randy Moss or Jerry Rice is
here or something like that that you got to learn
a little bit from earlier career.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
There's one time, I think too showed up to one
of those U C. L A things, and you know, yeah,
I was a slap dick at that time, but I
I I went one hundred miles an hour always, I
was always I really I would look at them and
in awe. But you're in a point where you're like
you're still working, right, Like that's how I I did?
I you know, I I so, but you you'd watch

(01:54:24):
and used to go a lot lots of those TJ
used to go they were like the bigger name guy
like that, the more established guys. There were young guys
that were bawling. Not that were there.

Speaker 4 (01:54:35):
But wasn't like watching t O in person. Just his
like freakish like body size, but speed conbined, just like.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
He was a little older. Yeah, but I mean he
looked apart. He still looks apart. I mean he's a
he's a he's a he's a freak. Yeah, he's a freak.
He's a freak. He's a specimen.

Speaker 5 (01:54:53):
I got two four years jewels. Say you're out painting
the picture here, not in your home city, and in Boston,
maybe Miami, somewhere, out for a night out. You look
across the bar, you see a dude you battled, you
don't know him, maybe a jet and maybe an arrival.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
You battled with this guy. You look across the bar,
you lock eyes.

Speaker 5 (01:55:14):
Then a conversation starts and you kind of bury the
hatchet and break bread with each other.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Has that ever happened? I wouldn't say break bread, but
you know, there's been a few of a better term. Sorry,
there's been a few times where you see a guy
that you know you're not expecting to run into him
out somewhere. Yeah, and you got you love competing against you. Yeah,
definitely keep it moving type type, keep it moving. Yeah,
I feel that. And then who looked at us differently though? Yeah,

(01:55:39):
I was gonna say, it's beating out of everyone, you
know what I mean, Like you go to the you
go to Derby and the other teams there. We always
went after like we want a super Bowl and stuff. Yeah,
people looked at us probably like we're arrogant assholes a
little bit, Hey, ayus because ainus? I don't know. Yeah, no,
I feel that. And then my other one, but I
used to be around a lot of the Bronco guys
because I saw I was with you know, I used

(01:56:00):
to train with TJ. Ward and you know, you know
we battled again. Yeah, I was gonna say that it
was always fun. It was always fun to just talk shit.
I feel that. But like we there was a respect.
I always respected guys that worked their ass off in
the trail, like soft season. So if I didn't like you,
but I saw you you working, I liked you.

Speaker 3 (01:56:18):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
You can't knock the hustle. You can't knock hustle. You
can't knock guys that are trying to get better as there.

Speaker 5 (01:56:23):
Ever, we talked a little bit earlier about the beauty
of social media with helping guys stay in touch and
connecting and dudes you may have never crossed paths with
just being able to hit him up with a click
of a button. Have you ever gotten one of those
guys giving you I like your game type vibe that
like really meant something or major eyes light up when
you got that message, like it came out of the blue.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
Not really, but I feel you, you know, Like Brandon
Marshall when I first started working with him, he it
kind of blew my mind out, Like you know, I
don't know if he was fluffing me, but he was like, Jules,
I love your game, your su like he Brandon Marshall
always used to hype me up, the original Glazer. I
like it. He's he knew how to charm me nice.

(01:57:06):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
He's also that prototypical like number one wide receiver kind
of vibe. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I did it for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
Dude. At thirty one, I think he had like a
hundred and something catches pro Bowl legend. He's he was
a monster people forget about you know, it sucks that
he never played in a playoff game because he had
such an elite career. He had a crazy career.

Speaker 4 (01:57:26):
And like he did it with the quarterbacks that were
throwing it to him pretty consistently.

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
He's like, wow, yeah, yeah, he's a large man. Oh yeah,
b Marsh.

Speaker 4 (01:57:35):
Marsh's is a most size and personnality.

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
But I think it's also even more like with the
players and friendships and stuff. Now it's it's to an
all time high. Now, yeah, it's it's almost too much.
Like you said, it's almost it's two k key, it's
a little two key key. I'm with you. I don't
like seeing it's weird to see as a as a fan.
I want you to hate each like yeah, I mean
it's kind of you gotta we have a responsibility, man,

(01:57:59):
keep you like ww you guys could be boys in
the off season and stuff, but like, at least, like
we got to act like we hate each other. I
don't keep up the illusion. You can't have let's say
you don't hate anything, Well, you ain't competing right then.

Speaker 5 (01:58:10):
You can't have the iron chic in the whole traveling
to the event together everybody in the world sees them.

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
The jig is up. It's up. I'm with you, you know.
Macho man, Randy Savage and fucking Andre the Giant didn't
like each other boo. They also showed that they didn't
like each other in the ring either. Amen. I don't
know where that Yeah, I just saw that was a
great one.

Speaker 4 (01:58:28):
Yeah, so great segment. That was awesome. Was insightful audience.
More comments, voicemails of in depth things you wanted to
find out about the life of a professional athlete. Please
let us know. The segment's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
The hockey guys you just got. You know. I went
and visited one of my boys in Toronto, JPR and Cebia.
He was a catcher, took VP with them out there
and ended up linking up with Sagan and the hockey guy.
Those got hockey guys. It's fucking it. There are different breed.
PK Suba like I hung out him, like these guys

(01:59:02):
like they can go drink and then go like perform
at a high level. It's insane, Bill Diffy.

Speaker 4 (01:59:07):
A lot of them have been doing like the professional
routine when they're teenage yea right, not being at home
on the road all the time, practice in school and
this and always like learning it. And then they become
pros at being pros early as.

Speaker 5 (01:59:19):
A great way to put it, they're pros pro And
maybe just because my I'm back in Boston and my
homerism is coming out. But what other city is a
NBA champion and two Super Bowl champions hood sliding out
in LA together after years and years?

Speaker 6 (01:59:33):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:59:33):
Who else is doing that? Nobody but Boston Baby? Oh, Paul,
I see him at work all the time, I say, Paul.
We can't hang out, Paul, we can't hang out.

Speaker 5 (01:59:44):
Yay.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
Last time we hung out, Bill took my captain away.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:59:54):
And if you want to know more about that story,
there's eighteen other episodes you can refer to to get
the to get the ending.

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Yeah, we're not getting into you again. And that was
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blue Baby, Well, what a game. What a start off
to an awesome, awesome and hopefully continually awesome career for
coach Missoula. Awesome to get to pick his his brain
and understand him a little, even though I don't think
we quite understand him yet.

Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
I don't think you might. You never understand.

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that reminds me of when you do that. I've been
watching the pee Wee Herman doc. Incredible. It's very good.
Bob Herman as a kid, me too, and that gives
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