September 14, 2025 • 18 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Games of Names.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm Julian Edelman, and we got a brand new compilation,
Highlight Real starting now now.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Ted Carris with his hilarious Tom Brady and Antonio Brown stories.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Tom was a big stick or if your center can't
be wet and so it's huge. Oh and this would
be this is like a nightmare for it.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Explain that.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh man, I mean so I still do the towel
to this day. You can see me. Tom takes all
the centers to the side. If you're going to play
center at any point, even just an undrafted guy, he'll
teach you how to fold it and put it into.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Your ass and buzz I still do to this day.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Every single day. Everyone's asking me like, what is this
because it looks kind of dorky, and but I just like,
I can't. I can't play center without it, because that's
just how I was. I never played center before I
got to New England, so that was how I learned center.
And an early moment the Blue White Scrimmage twenty sixteen.
We do it every year and I had you know,
I was on Tom's team and apparently too wet for him,
(01:01):
and uh he literally this is a This is an
embarrassing moment. He literally pulls me off to the sideline,
screams in my face that I'm a sweaty pig, and
then pulls my pants out and powders my ass with
baby powder in front of everyone. Oh my god, So
(01:24):
what do you think I I was kind of embarrassing
when all the fans were looking where like it's like
fifteen thousand people at Jillette Stadium. But I was like,
I better. I started changing towels a lot. I would
sometimes change pants. That happen.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I would.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I would baby powder myself every day before practice.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And and that's another thing. You go back to that
picture too.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You know Tom was really tall, so when you know,
he would always tell you to get your butt up
so and we were under center a lot, so a
lot of times that picture, if you look at it,
I'm like straight legged snapping it just because he's so tall.
He's so much taller than me. But I would always
just do whatever he said, you know. I yeah, we
all did. We all did yeah, And we just liked
that he was talking to him. Dude, I'll do whatever
(02:11):
you want. Man.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Looking at a New York Times article here in the headline,
how do you avoid swamp ass? Yeah, Tom Brady does
it by seeking the centers pants.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, you had to learn how to how to get
back down low to make a block. That's tough. Tall
to fucking Tom's tall. Tom's way taller than When they
don't realize it, they say six four, but it's a
tall six four. It's it's a tall six four. It's
like our team was, That's what I say. Man, if
we would have kept Ab, we probably wouldn't our super Bowl. Well,
(02:40):
so Ab like, I love a B and he immediately
took to me like I would look at me in
the huddle, you talk to me. And then so my
AB story is I'm in the cold tub with him
and he just chatted me up. And you know, he's
a great guy, great conversation, very intense human being. And
so you're not allowed to take pictures in the facility.
(03:02):
It's like automatic firing, right.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So AB's like, man, we got to take a selfie.
I'm like, I don't know, man, He's like, no, we're
doing it. I'm like, all right, takes a selfie of
me and him in the cold tub. You can look
this up online too. It's a great picture, posts it
on his story Cold Tub Dubs with Big bro teddy K.
I get like eight thousand followers in like four hours,
puts my Instagram on.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So I'm like kind of like freaking out. I'm like, geez,
I was that's like the number one rule the facilities.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Don't take a picture inside, And yeah, here we go
Cold Tub does a Big bro teddy K follow him out.
So the next day, Scar comes up to my locker
and it's head like, hey, like, what the fuck were
you doing?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So you know, we're not allowed to take pictures in
the facility, and so I'm like freaking out and I
totally fold.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I'm like, well it was a b coach.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I don't know what to say. I don't know, I
don't know what to tell me. He's like, dude, relax,
I'm just fucking with you. I don't know what to say. So, yeah,
that's Aby was a great guy. I uh obviously very
very colorful guy. Did you ever work with Best Buddies?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, yeah, Because I about to say maybe did you
start it Best Buddies and then find this organization? Well
that was like that was like a traumatic day. For
me because Tom would do that game every year and
then he launched a bomb to me over Dave Andrews.
I literally ran a go and it's just right out
of my hands. And at the end, it's one of
the only things I have signed from Tom Brady is
(04:28):
a plaque that says biggest drop.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Oh my God, like sold out Harvard the crowd.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
He's on the mic saying that I had to go
up on the middle of the field and get my
biggest Drop plaque.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
So it's like some repressed trauma from that. But I
know it's been well documented. But like what makes Tom
so good at that sneak?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, we've talked about it all day he is and
just how long his willingness to do it, and we
practiced it. I mean there was a big when you
get up to the ball, he would give you a ten,
ten or eleven eleven, and where he wanted you to
go at center, so obviously eleven to the left. What
would Scars say in the medium, I mean, we just.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Got to try to what are guys going in the
Jaws of Death? I mean the Jaws of Death and
it's it's it's a sellout play.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Basically, we got to try to get one double team,
you know, wedge blocking type scenario. And then you know Tom,
Tom was good at just finding the soft spot. And
if you watch that one too, Miami was totally unprepared
for that. We were on the one and they had
basically two two techniques just so head up on the guard.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So that's an easy get in.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's an easy suard because what Tom would do would
be like we would call a goal line play and
he would just go. But then he would say he
would say scooby doo. So that would be like, oh, hey,
if the sneak is open, I'm just gonna go dog
dog blue go. And then so that would.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Be so situational QB sneaking. Yeoh.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I think on that one we had like some type
of goal line force play and then and he was
so successful because he would never he would run it
to like the right look. He wouldn't run it on
a like like for example, you look at the Bills
last last year. Last year in the division or was
a divisional against uh Chiefs. The Chiefs where they had
(06:19):
the fucking tush push like they had everyone in their
mother in a gaps there. You got to get that
outside somehow it's a field thing.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's a field to field.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Next up Max Crosby on how he breaks down his
own game film.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Now, we had Whitworth on stud I loved and he
would he would talk about he felt defensive ends didn't
scout their tackles. Do you scout tackles? And like what
their strengths are. He could always tell if a guy
watched film on him or.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Or or just throwing ship.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah, no, I definitely. Do you know I come from
a I mean the guy my biggest ins as a
coach has been Rod Marinelly and he probably heard of him.
He had Warren Sapp, Julius Pepper's numerous Hall of famers.
I had him my second and third year and that
was my last I mean this season right here. That
was my third year and that's where I took off.
And that dude is all about watching your film. Like
(07:19):
He's like, every lineman you go against a fucking gray
face black, it's nothing. They're all the same. He's like,
if you do what you're supposed to do, get off
pad level hands, fight area, if you understand all the
things you're supposed to do at the best of your
ability and apply it. It doesn't matter who the fuck's
in front of you, and it doesn't matter what they do,
They're eventually gonna get broken, you know what I mean.
(07:40):
So's I watch film on other guys. Of course I
try to pick up during the week. All right, who's
giving away past, who's given away? Run? What little things
I can pick up. But majority of the film I'm
watching is my own film on repeat. I watch my
practices every night, and then I'll watch a game or
two games, and then okay, I'll throw on this guy
versus you know whoever. But at the end of the day,
(08:02):
I can't sit here and watch the Steelers versus Giants
and expect them to block me the same way they
block some other guys, because you can go into the plane. Okay,
they're gonna do this and this, and then they fucking
throw three people at me, you know what I mean. Like,
we went to the Colts game this, I mean, week seventeen.
Robbo comes up to me. Rob Ryan, one of the
coolest fucking dads I've ever met, great coach.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
He comes up to me. All right, this is the week.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Colts don't They don't chip, They just they five man up.
They're gonna Manu and I got double team chip the
whole game. Yeah, and I'm like, fuck, you know what
I mean. But that's why, Like I can sit there
and anticipate and think they're gonna do this and whatever.
But for me, if I'm at my best and I'm
doing my shit at the highest level, then it doesn't
matter what they do.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, you're what they call a problem.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You know, if when I was playing, we were to
ever play a guy like you. You're at that caliber
where you're dedicating a thirty play clip in front of
the whole team in the team meeting, like one of
the keys to victory, which is never usually a player.
But Crosby's that kind of guy where he's a problem
and you can see it in the Run game. You
(09:10):
could see it in the past game. They're sending chips
running backs next.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Cam Jordan on what makes Sean Payton such a great coach?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
What was it like playing for Sean Payton?
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean you acutely one. There's no one about
what could have happened Sean Payton. Come on, man, Sean
is awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Are you surprised that he's doing what he's doing in Denver?
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Having success Yeah, No, he's a winner. Yeah, bro, Like again,
what the arrogance of winning? Like you don't know if
you can lose, if you never lose. That's that's like saying,
you know, the every every leader for the last like
two years, three years. Now you've looked at the Kansa
City Chiefs and you hear media talk about, oh, they
don't look as strong that they did in twenty Oh
(09:56):
they're back to back football champions until they lose this thing.
They've won this thing in their minds. When you don't
know how to lose, then you don't worry about losing.
Other teams are like, we gotta find a way to win,
and they're like, yeah, so we're gonna win.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Just don't trick it off. Just make less mistakes. Yeah,
so this is how we win.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
This how we won, This is how we'll continue winning.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Sean Payne was great because that's exactly what he put
on the board every week. He said, Hey, these are
the three things that we need to win. Keys, three
key points will be forced fumble.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Here.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
This guy they think he's all world. We're gonna take
that away from him.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
They were gonna make them beat them any other way
and don't have this many penalties and that's how we win.
And sure enough we'd come in and he'd be like this,
how we won the game? Boom boom boom, or like, well,
we lost because out of these three key points, we
took x away, we had more turnovers. We lost the
penalty game. These penalties led to ninety something yards. You know,
(10:51):
seven yards equals ended up being seven points. You know
how much we lost by four?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You know, like.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Methodology wins, and he's a bit he's a big numbers guy,
big stats guy like you. Percentage wise, this is where
you come out with all that, and when you have
success that way, you fully buy in.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Good coaches know how to simplify complex matter because you know,
we are football guys. We're not fucking rocket scientists. So
if you have a bunch of complex shit, you're trying
to explain that to.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Some of your best Some of your best players are
single mind like, single focus, single mindly focused people like
man go quarterback, Yeah yeah, hey, dropping the coverage huh,
play man?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, you know what I mean. You simplify it.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
If you get guys on the same page, that's half
the battle, that's it. Yeah, that's half the battle Drew
Brees story anything, How is Drew is?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Drew is amazing, dude, Just like the things that you
think quarterbacks do.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
That's what he did. You know, Like he's the first
one in, the first one out. Absolutely, he always takes
care of his body. He's got his body work. Absolutely,
he's he Even when he's not in, he's still doing
all the checks for sure, even when he's not throwing,
because he's older or whatever it is, he's still making
all the checks. He's with the towel, he's out there,
Dak Prescott and you know what I'm saying, hip twist
got him, got him. He's calling things back even if
(12:13):
he completes. During practice, he was like complete no deep
ball to Mike Thomas or Tree Kwan or whoever it
is at the time, Big Cook Jared Cook, right, and
he's like I didn't like that. He'd be like, bro,
what is he looking at? You know, he's visualizing his success.
But just the way that he took to the game,
like you admired it. He had the same routine. He
never got a routine. You knew what he was gonna eat.
(12:35):
You know before game day. Hotel one time tried to
give him mac and cheese or whatever, like chili mac,
I think was his big thing. And they like like, oh,
we called it the Drew the Breeze, chili mac whatever
it was, right, beef noodles, weak mirror and marion era
and that was it, right, But they put hell of
cheese on there, and Drew doesn't didn't eat cheese at
(12:56):
the time or whatever it was, and he was like, no,
I can't eat that, like real specifically, like no, I
thank you for everything, but like, I can't eat that.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I don't do this.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
And by the time he sat down, cheese was gone,
name was gone, fresh fresh noodles was out.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And I said, okay, the Drew Brees Way, the dB
nine twelve.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Yeah, he may not even eat eat gluten anymore. But
at the time, he was eating noodle noodles, you know,
like that was that was the thing. He'd have a
he'd have a bowl and like everybody knew about it.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Wow. I was like, dang, I gotta get there.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
But I'm a fat kid, so like, but you're not
a fat kid because that's a lineman oftense.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
No, No, that's an o beast kid slap. You're a fat kid.
But there the beast kid overly discussing and I like
big guys.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Next, rich Orenberger tells the story of Matt Light's incredible
prank on the Patriots coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
What's something that stands out with Matt Light that you
remember Matt Light?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Oh Man in a meeting Matt one time.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
Uh he he put a I don't even know what
to call it, microchip, or he switched out the mouse
on Dante Scarnakia's computer. He told that story. Oh he
told it on the Okay, so I won't repeat the story. Well,
I'll give you the briefest version. So basically, this this
little mouse. It messes with the cursor on the screen,
(14:16):
so it'll work for about five minutes. But at some
point you can have it on a timer. It's going
to go away from where you're trying to point to.
So Dante, for I'm not kidding the better part of
like ten weeks of a season, thought that the the
IT guys in New England were complete idiots. He was like,
I mean, they come in and they're over here circle
(14:38):
jerking around the computer and nothing's getting fixed. Now I
can't fucking teach if I can't click on the right
I'm trying and then they would walk in and be like, Dante,
what are you trying to click on? I'm trying to
click on cut up number two, you know, and he's
giving them the business. And then they try it with
the mouse. But Matt when Dante would leave to get
the IT guys pull it out, he would switch it
back out and nobody w wode him do it. So
(15:00):
then the IT guys would come in and be like, yeah, Dante,
like the mouse works, like everything's cool, and so Dante
thought he was going nuts or he thought they were
lying to him.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It was like this. It went on so much longer
than was fair.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Like Dante Scarneki, it was losing his fucking mind that year,
and it was all Matt Light. It was all his fault.
It was incredible. I still don't know if Dante knows
what happened that year.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I don't think he knows.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
It was incredible, Yeah, but then Dante was the ringleader.
He had to try to find a way to reign
in all this. Like in I mean, to this point
in my life, I don't know if I saw a
more cohesive unit on any football field than the New
England Patriots offensive line when he was at the head
of the class. Because Dante, he just found a way
(15:49):
to connect with everybody. He was an amazing teacher. He'd
slow it down for some, he'd speed it up for others.
He spent the time after practice. There are so many coaches,
assistant coaches were in a rush to get off the field.
He really spent the time with us, and I benefited
greatly because my whole life, I feel like every single
situation I've ever walked into, I'm an unfinished product. Like
(16:11):
buy leaps and bounds, like a look around me, I'm like,
why is everybody so much better than me? And like
I needed help and Dante gave me help. I love
that man. He taught me hard lessons, he taught me
the right lessons. He was an incredible.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Coach, incredible teacher too.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I saw that when we when he was gone, you know,
I just so I didn't realize it until he was gone,
because I remember when he would he would yell at
these linemen.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He would yell at you guys, oh my god, and
I want.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
To get into your welcome to the NFL moment with
Dante Scarnekio after this, but he would yell at guys
in front of the in the in the offensive meeting.
But he would yell, he would he would call him
a fat fuck or a fat piece of shit. But
then he would follow it up with the technique that
you had to do. So he go, you fat fuck,
put your right foot, drop it right here, you put
(17:00):
your left hand right there.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Instead of a coach that's just yelling like, come on, guys,
we gotta do it better than that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Like he would give you play for play what you
needed to do to get it right. And that's why
I saw he was such a fucking great coach.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
One thousand person.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
I mean, it wasn't just like, hey, you screwed it up, No,
do better.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
It was like this would be a Dante Lion. He'd
be like, hey, ass eyhs, what the fuck.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Were we doing in the meeting room the.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
Entire time before we took the goddamn failed And you'd
be like, I'm not sure. There was so much and
you'd be like, we were working on whatever we called
it there. You know, if the mic backer is mugged
up in the A gap and he bowls, you gotta pop.
If you're the center and look out to the fucking right,
because Sam screaming off that edge and you're like, okayl
I'm sorry, but like you're hearing all this and like meanwhile,
(17:52):
internally you're doing all this stuff I was just doing,
and like on the outside, you're just like you got it, Dante, Yes, sir,
and don't call me Sara that fucker that just means
fuck you, and you're just like okay, now, another thing
to remember, I can't call him sir.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
It was like it was intense. It was intense, but
it was it was incredible because you learned. You learned
really quick who was going to survive and who wasn't.
There were guys who could handle the pressure, and that's
all it was. It was just a pressure test. If
you can't handle a five foot six assistant coach who
(18:28):
you know, I mean, like he wouldn't be able to
knock you over if he tried shouting in your face
at practice, how the hell are you going to be
able to handle the Cincinnati Bengals or the Seattle Seahawks
or the Dallas Cowboys, Like you better be able to
handle this, otherwise you're not going to do any of that.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Remember to tune in every Tuesday for a brand new episode,
and every Sunday for another Games with names high that
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Welcome to Games of Names.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm Julian Edelman, and we got a brand new compilation,
Highlight Real starting now now.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Ted Carris with his hilarious Tom Brady and Antonio Brown stories.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Tom was a big stick or if your center can't
be wet and so it's huge. Oh and this would
be this is like a nightmare for it.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Explain that.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh man, I mean so I still do the towel
to this day. You can see me. Tom takes all
the centers to the side. If you're going to play
center at any point, even just an undrafted guy, he'll
teach you how to fold it and put it into.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Your ass and buzz I still do to this day.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Every single day. Everyone's asking me like, what is this
because it looks kind of dorky, and but I just like,
I can't. I can't play center without it, because that's
just how I was. I never played center before I
got to New England, so that was how I learned center.
And an early moment the Blue White Scrimmage twenty sixteen.
We do it every year and I had you know,
I was on Tom's team and apparently too wet for him,
(01:01):
and uh he literally this is a This is an
embarrassing moment. He literally pulls me off to the sideline,
screams in my face that I'm a sweaty pig, and
then pulls my pants out and powders my ass with
baby powder in front of everyone. Oh my god, So
(01:24):
what do you think I I was kind of embarrassing
when all the fans were looking where like it's like
fifteen thousand people at Jillette Stadium. But I was like,
I better. I started changing towels a lot. I would
sometimes change pants. That happen.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I would.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I would baby powder myself every day before practice.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And and that's another thing. You go back to that
picture too.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You know Tom was really tall, so when you know,
he would always tell you to get your butt up
so and we were under center a lot, so a
lot of times that picture, if you look at it,
I'm like straight legged snapping it just because he's so tall.
He's so much taller than me. But I would always
just do whatever he said, you know. I yeah, we
all did. We all did yeah, And we just liked
that he was talking to him. Dude, I'll do whatever
(02:11):
you want. Man.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Looking at a New York Times article here in the headline,
how do you avoid swamp ass? Yeah, Tom Brady does
it by seeking the centers pants.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, you had to learn how to how to get
back down low to make a block. That's tough. Tall
to fucking Tom's tall. Tom's way taller than When they
don't realize it, they say six four, but it's a
tall six four. It's it's a tall six four. It's
like our team was, That's what I say. Man, if
we would have kept Ab, we probably wouldn't our super Bowl. Well,
(02:40):
so Ab like, I love a B and he immediately
took to me like I would look at me in
the huddle, you talk to me. And then so my
AB story is I'm in the cold tub with him
and he just chatted me up. And you know, he's
a great guy, great conversation, very intense human being. And
so you're not allowed to take pictures in the facility.
(03:02):
It's like automatic firing, right.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So AB's like, man, we got to take a selfie.
I'm like, I don't know, man, He's like, no, we're
doing it. I'm like, all right, takes a selfie of
me and him in the cold tub. You can look
this up online too. It's a great picture, posts it
on his story Cold Tub Dubs with Big bro teddy K.
I get like eight thousand followers in like four hours,
puts my Instagram on.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So I'm like kind of like freaking out. I'm like, geez,
I was that's like the number one rule the facilities.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Don't take a picture inside, And yeah, here we go
Cold Tub does a Big bro teddy K follow him out.
So the next day, Scar comes up to my locker
and it's head like, hey, like, what the fuck were
you doing?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So you know, we're not allowed to take pictures in
the facility, and so I'm like freaking out and I
totally fold.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I'm like, well it was a b coach.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I don't know what to say. I don't know, I
don't know what to tell me. He's like, dude, relax,
I'm just fucking with you. I don't know what to say. So, yeah,
that's Aby was a great guy. I uh obviously very
very colorful guy. Did you ever work with Best Buddies?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, yeah, Because I about to say maybe did you
start it Best Buddies and then find this organization? Well
that was like that was like a traumatic day. For
me because Tom would do that game every year and
then he launched a bomb to me over Dave Andrews.
I literally ran a go and it's just right out
of my hands. And at the end, it's one of
the only things I have signed from Tom Brady is
(04:28):
a plaque that says biggest drop.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Oh my God, like sold out Harvard the crowd.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
He's on the mic saying that I had to go
up on the middle of the field and get my
biggest Drop plaque.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
So it's like some repressed trauma from that. But I
know it's been well documented. But like what makes Tom
so good at that sneak?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, we've talked about it all day he is and
just how long his willingness to do it, and we
practiced it. I mean there was a big when you
get up to the ball, he would give you a ten,
ten or eleven eleven, and where he wanted you to
go at center, so obviously eleven to the left. What
would Scars say in the medium, I mean, we just.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Got to try to what are guys going in the
Jaws of Death? I mean the Jaws of Death and
it's it's it's a sellout play.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Basically, we got to try to get one double team,
you know, wedge blocking type scenario. And then you know Tom,
Tom was good at just finding the soft spot. And
if you watch that one too, Miami was totally unprepared
for that. We were on the one and they had
basically two two techniques just so head up on the guard.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So that's an easy get in.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's an easy suard because what Tom would do would
be like we would call a goal line play and
he would just go. But then he would say he
would say scooby doo. So that would be like, oh, hey,
if the sneak is open, I'm just gonna go dog
dog blue go. And then so that would.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Be so situational QB sneaking. Yeoh.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I think on that one we had like some type
of goal line force play and then and he was
so successful because he would never he would run it
to like the right look. He wouldn't run it on
a like like for example, you look at the Bills
last last year. Last year in the division or was
a divisional against uh Chiefs. The Chiefs where they had
(06:19):
the fucking tush push like they had everyone in their
mother in a gaps there. You got to get that
outside somehow it's a field thing.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's a field to field.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Next up Max Crosby on how he breaks down his
own game film.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Now, we had Whitworth on stud I loved and he
would he would talk about he felt defensive ends didn't
scout their tackles. Do you scout tackles? And like what
their strengths are. He could always tell if a guy
watched film on him or.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Or or just throwing ship.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah, no, I definitely. Do you know I come from
a I mean the guy my biggest ins as a
coach has been Rod Marinelly and he probably heard of him.
He had Warren Sapp, Julius Pepper's numerous Hall of famers.
I had him my second and third year and that
was my last I mean this season right here. That
was my third year and that's where I took off.
And that dude is all about watching your film. Like
(07:19):
He's like, every lineman you go against a fucking gray
face black, it's nothing. They're all the same. He's like,
if you do what you're supposed to do, get off
pad level hands, fight area, if you understand all the
things you're supposed to do at the best of your
ability and apply it. It doesn't matter who the fuck's
in front of you, and it doesn't matter what they do,
They're eventually gonna get broken, you know what I mean.
(07:40):
So's I watch film on other guys. Of course I
try to pick up during the week. All right, who's
giving away past, who's given away? Run? What little things
I can pick up. But majority of the film I'm
watching is my own film on repeat. I watch my
practices every night, and then I'll watch a game or
two games, and then okay, I'll throw on this guy
versus you know whoever. But at the end of the day,
(08:02):
I can't sit here and watch the Steelers versus Giants
and expect them to block me the same way they
block some other guys, because you can go into the plane. Okay,
they're gonna do this and this, and then they fucking
throw three people at me, you know what I mean. Like,
we went to the Colts game this, I mean, week seventeen.
Robbo comes up to me. Rob Ryan, one of the
coolest fucking dads I've ever met, great coach.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
He comes up to me. All right, this is the week.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Colts don't They don't chip, They just they five man up.
They're gonna Manu and I got double team chip the
whole game. Yeah, and I'm like, fuck, you know what
I mean. But that's why, Like I can sit there
and anticipate and think they're gonna do this and whatever.
But for me, if I'm at my best and I'm
doing my shit at the highest level, then it doesn't
matter what they do.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, you're what they call a problem.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You know, if when I was playing, we were to
ever play a guy like you. You're at that caliber
where you're dedicating a thirty play clip in front of
the whole team in the team meeting, like one of
the keys to victory, which is never usually a player.
But Crosby's that kind of guy where he's a problem
and you can see it in the Run game. You
(09:10):
could see it in the past game. They're sending chips
running backs next.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Cam Jordan on what makes Sean Payton such a great coach?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
What was it like playing for Sean Payton?
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean you acutely one. There's no one about
what could have happened Sean Payton. Come on, man, Sean
is awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Are you surprised that he's doing what he's doing in Denver?
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Having success Yeah, No, he's a winner. Yeah, bro, Like again,
what the arrogance of winning? Like you don't know if
you can lose, if you never lose. That's that's like saying,
you know, the every every leader for the last like
two years, three years. Now you've looked at the Kansa
City Chiefs and you hear media talk about, oh, they
don't look as strong that they did in twenty Oh
(09:56):
they're back to back football champions until they lose this thing.
They've won this thing in their minds. When you don't
know how to lose, then you don't worry about losing.
Other teams are like, we gotta find a way to win,
and they're like, yeah, so we're gonna win.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Just don't trick it off. Just make less mistakes. Yeah,
so this is how we win.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
This how we won, This is how we'll continue winning.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Sean Payne was great because that's exactly what he put
on the board every week. He said, Hey, these are
the three things that we need to win. Keys, three
key points will be forced fumble.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Here.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
This guy they think he's all world. We're gonna take
that away from him.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
They were gonna make them beat them any other way
and don't have this many penalties and that's how we win.
And sure enough we'd come in and he'd be like this,
how we won the game? Boom boom boom, or like, well,
we lost because out of these three key points, we
took x away, we had more turnovers. We lost the
penalty game. These penalties led to ninety something yards. You know,
(10:51):
seven yards equals ended up being seven points. You know
how much we lost by four?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You know, like.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Methodology wins, and he's a bit he's a big numbers guy,
big stats guy like you. Percentage wise, this is where
you come out with all that, and when you have
success that way, you fully buy in.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Good coaches know how to simplify complex matter because you know,
we are football guys. We're not fucking rocket scientists. So
if you have a bunch of complex shit, you're trying
to explain that to.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Some of your best Some of your best players are
single mind like, single focus, single mindly focused people like
man go quarterback, Yeah yeah, hey, dropping the coverage huh,
play man?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, you know what I mean. You simplify it.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
If you get guys on the same page, that's half
the battle, that's it. Yeah, that's half the battle Drew
Brees story anything, How is Drew is?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Drew is amazing, dude, Just like the things that you
think quarterbacks do.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
That's what he did. You know, Like he's the first
one in, the first one out. Absolutely, he always takes
care of his body. He's got his body work. Absolutely,
he's he Even when he's not in, he's still doing
all the checks for sure, even when he's not throwing,
because he's older or whatever it is, he's still making
all the checks. He's with the towel, he's out there,
Dak Prescott and you know what I'm saying, hip twist
got him, got him. He's calling things back even if
(12:13):
he completes. During practice, he was like complete no deep
ball to Mike Thomas or Tree Kwan or whoever it
is at the time, Big Cook Jared Cook, right, and
he's like I didn't like that. He'd be like, bro,
what is he looking at? You know, he's visualizing his success.
But just the way that he took to the game,
like you admired it. He had the same routine. He
never got a routine. You knew what he was gonna eat.
(12:35):
You know before game day. Hotel one time tried to
give him mac and cheese or whatever, like chili mac,
I think was his big thing. And they like like, oh,
we called it the Drew the Breeze, chili mac whatever
it was, right, beef noodles, weak mirror and marion era
and that was it, right, But they put hell of
cheese on there, and Drew doesn't didn't eat cheese at
(12:56):
the time or whatever it was, and he was like, no,
I can't eat that, like real specifically, like no, I
thank you for everything, but like, I can't eat that.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I don't do this.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
And by the time he sat down, cheese was gone,
name was gone, fresh fresh noodles was out.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And I said, okay, the Drew Brees Way, the dB
nine twelve.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Yeah, he may not even eat eat gluten anymore. But
at the time, he was eating noodle noodles, you know,
like that was that was the thing. He'd have a
he'd have a bowl and like everybody knew about it.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Wow. I was like, dang, I gotta get there.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
But I'm a fat kid, so like, but you're not
a fat kid because that's a lineman oftense.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
No, No, that's an o beast kid slap. You're a fat kid.
But there the beast kid overly discussing and I like
big guys.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Next, rich Orenberger tells the story of Matt Light's incredible
prank on the Patriots coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
What's something that stands out with Matt Light that you
remember Matt Light?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Oh Man in a meeting Matt one time.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
Uh he he put a I don't even know what
to call it, microchip, or he switched out the mouse
on Dante Scarnakia's computer. He told that story. Oh he
told it on the Okay, so I won't repeat the story. Well,
I'll give you the briefest version. So basically, this this
little mouse. It messes with the cursor on the screen,
(14:16):
so it'll work for about five minutes. But at some
point you can have it on a timer. It's going
to go away from where you're trying to point to.
So Dante, for I'm not kidding the better part of
like ten weeks of a season, thought that the the
IT guys in New England were complete idiots. He was like,
I mean, they come in and they're over here circle
(14:38):
jerking around the computer and nothing's getting fixed. Now I
can't fucking teach if I can't click on the right
I'm trying and then they would walk in and be like, Dante,
what are you trying to click on? I'm trying to
click on cut up number two, you know, and he's
giving them the business. And then they try it with
the mouse. But Matt when Dante would leave to get
the IT guys pull it out, he would switch it
back out and nobody w wode him do it. So
(15:00):
then the IT guys would come in and be like, yeah, Dante,
like the mouse works, like everything's cool, and so Dante
thought he was going nuts or he thought they were
lying to him.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It was like this. It went on so much longer
than was fair.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Like Dante Scarneki, it was losing his fucking mind that year,
and it was all Matt Light. It was all his fault.
It was incredible. I still don't know if Dante knows
what happened that year.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I don't think he knows.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
It was incredible, Yeah, but then Dante was the ringleader.
He had to try to find a way to reign
in all this. Like in I mean, to this point
in my life, I don't know if I saw a
more cohesive unit on any football field than the New
England Patriots offensive line when he was at the head
of the class. Because Dante, he just found a way
(15:49):
to connect with everybody. He was an amazing teacher. He'd
slow it down for some, he'd speed it up for others.
He spent the time after practice. There are so many coaches,
assistant coaches were in a rush to get off the field.
He really spent the time with us, and I benefited
greatly because my whole life, I feel like every single
situation I've ever walked into, I'm an unfinished product. Like
(16:11):
buy leaps and bounds, like a look around me, I'm like,
why is everybody so much better than me? And like
I needed help and Dante gave me help. I love
that man. He taught me hard lessons, he taught me
the right lessons. He was an incredible.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Coach, incredible teacher too.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I saw that when we when he was gone, you know,
I just so I didn't realize it until he was gone,
because I remember when he would he would yell at
these linemen.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He would yell at you guys, oh my god, and
I want.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
To get into your welcome to the NFL moment with
Dante Scarnekio after this, but he would yell at guys
in front of the in the in the offensive meeting.
But he would yell, he would he would call him
a fat fuck or a fat piece of shit. But
then he would follow it up with the technique that
you had to do. So he go, you fat fuck,
put your right foot, drop it right here, you put
(17:00):
your left hand right there.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Instead of a coach that's just yelling like, come on, guys,
we gotta do it better than that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Like he would give you play for play what you
needed to do to get it right. And that's why
I saw he was such a fucking great coach.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
One thousand person.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
I mean, it wasn't just like, hey, you screwed it up, No,
do better.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
It was like this would be a Dante Lion. He'd
be like, hey, ass eyhs, what the fuck.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Were we doing in the meeting room the.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
Entire time before we took the goddamn failed And you'd
be like, I'm not sure. There was so much and
you'd be like, we were working on whatever we called
it there. You know, if the mic backer is mugged
up in the A gap and he bowls, you gotta pop.
If you're the center and look out to the fucking right,
because Sam screaming off that edge and you're like, okayl
I'm sorry, but like you're hearing all this and like meanwhile,
(17:52):
internally you're doing all this stuff I was just doing,
and like on the outside, you're just like you got it, Dante, Yes, sir,
and don't call me Sara that fucker that just means
fuck you, and you're just like okay, now, another thing
to remember, I can't call him sir.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
It was like it was intense. It was intense, but
it was it was incredible because you learned. You learned
really quick who was going to survive and who wasn't.
There were guys who could handle the pressure, and that's
all it was. It was just a pressure test. If
you can't handle a five foot six assistant coach who
(18:28):
you know, I mean, like he wouldn't be able to
knock you over if he tried shouting in your face
at practice, how the hell are you going to be
able to handle the Cincinnati Bengals or the Seattle Seahawks
or the Dallas Cowboys, Like you better be able to
handle this, otherwise you're not going to do any of that.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
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