September 21, 2025 • 26 mins
We hear from Patriots coaches that helped make The Dynasty possible. We hear from the likes of Ernie Adams, Josh McDaniels, and Matt Patricia.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Games of Names. I'm Julian Edelman, and we
got a brand new compilation highlight reels starting now now.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Ernie Adams on how to beat the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
The Ernie cards that we used to have to deal
with in practice every day, and that could.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Be Yeah, that could that could be part of it.
I mean it's not. I mean there's a lot of uh,
you know, all the all those cards, there's you know,
that's a lot of a lot of reading, a lot
of film study. Uh, because I always try to try
to put myself inside, you know, the other team. What
are they going to do against us?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Maybe maybe it's a play they ran three years ago
and I've been waiting for three years, you know, to
run this against us in practice. Sometimes it actually plays
out that way in the games. Most of the times
it doesn't. But but I always thought, you know, keep
everybody alert.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Do you ever remember a time where we had one
of those crazy Ernie cards where we were all bitching
and complaining like, oh, we'll never fucking see this. You
know you've seen it. When the offense is over, What
the fuck is this? What are we doing? Jesus Christ,
We're never do you remember specifically a time that.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Oh, so, for instance, we're playing the Dolphins, it's probably
around twoy eleven. So because Brian Dayball, of course was
he was with us for a number years, was the
offensive coordinator, and I said, what's Brian going to do?
And they had the throwback to the quarterback off the shotgun.
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So we ran that in practice and people are, well,
they ran exactly that play in the game. And the
fact that you know, we had seen it meant that
we could react to it just in time, you know,
to to make the play on defense, because the stuff
it's happening so fast. If you got to think, oh,
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it just went buy me, you got to you know,
you got to be able to anticipate. In fact, one
of the great the great lines for coaching football was
somebody I have a tremendous respect for Tom Landry who
would say, anticipation beat reaction every time you think ahead
of that, Hey, we know this is the situation. This
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is what we got to watch out for. And that
just makes a world of difference to just being out
there playing, oh my god, the play just went buy me. Yeah,
and how you've seen a lot of guys they're always
half a step light, and that that doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
That's what I try to explain to people, like when
they ask what was your guys day to day like,
and I'd be like, oh, well, we'd walk through plays.
We'd walk through the walkthroughs and we'd go to a
built in drill for that specific play, take it to
a seven on seven. Then do a team and we'd
have all these reps and you'd run thirty new plays,
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but you'd rep them four or five times, and guys
would bitch and complain, bitch and complain. But then when
you came when it came to game day, like Ernie said,
it's in your subconscious. It's built in your subconscious. So
you react and you've seen the play, it becomes deja
vu on this technique. This happens, Oh I see this guy.
I saw it in practice, I saw it in the walkthrough,
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and it allows you to play fast. And that's and
that's something that I always tell everyone. What made our
teams was our practice and our ability to really take
those meetings. I mean that's hard to get, you know,
thirty guys to really buy in and go over plays
and plays and plays. But that's what made us US
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back to these earning cards. Okay, people don't realize, but
we'd have like three plays that are four point plays,
which is third down in the red area, which your
four point plays because you don't get him to get
a field goal, you need a touchdown. And one time
Ernie brings out this like blit zero look where these
guys jump out, and we look at where he got
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it from. He got it from when like the defensive
coordinator was a quality control guy at UOP in nineteen
ninety one, and Ernie found this one play on a
third down in the red area where he used it
against the look that we would give him. How many
games have you watched, Ernie.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, a lot, and you know it goes not only
watch but take notes. So I have, like I can
go to my book looking for you know, those crazy situations,
you know, and when I write a play, I always
label it, Hey, this was again, this was whatever cal
against Stanford two thousand and three, you know, and it
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was playing number fifty eight in the game. So if
I really need to go back and find a video,
I've got it right there. And I don't pretend that
I can just you know, if I had to just
rely on my memory for all of it. It takes
me three weeks, which doesn't do any good when the
game is Sunday, you know. I mean, when I'm doing
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those cards on Thursday night, I need the information.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And you know, like right now, Ernie, you could do
a guess. I mean, approximately how many games have you watched?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Oh god, forty years worth? Which is all you know?
Which is there's all you know? And of course this
is you know, like we I would take, you know,
a team that I thought was good on offense, like say,
from probably two thousand and seven to twenty nineteen, the
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two best offensive teams in the National Football League over
that time, where the Patriots and the Saints. Okay, I
mean they were just you know, year in year out,
you know, both of us, you know, were some of
the best teams in the league. So I would you know,
a nice snowy February day, I just you know, take
some Saints games and just go through them, you know,
and it's one place. It just grind it out, one
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play at a time. You try to find stuff, you
know that.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
People don't realize when he's when he's logging these, he's
watching the play and after each played, he's putting down
the formation, the personnel group, the defensive line, look, the coverage,
the potential blitch, the situation, the score. Like he's putting
all that down every time he's watching each play.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
And you make it I'm not telling yeah, I mean
I'm writing, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
On my hundred thousand games.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's probably a little much. And I would pick and choose,
you know which, I mean some games, like in all honesty,
two bad teams playing, I would have a hard time
getting myself excited about watching, you know, like right now
the you know, the Carolina Panthers playing the Atlanta Falcons.
It's unless there was something I really wanted to see.
(06:46):
It's kind of hard for me, you know, to take
invest three hours, you know, to to watch it. But
if there's teams, you know, who are doing interesting things
that I thought, hey, there could be something here that
we can use at some point, you know, because there
were a lot of plays I might see, uh you know,
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I mean I could go to Josh McDaniels, Hey, here's
here's a couple of plays that I've seen in the league.
We should think about putting that, putting this in for us,
and you know, John, we were all doing the same, uh,
the same thing. If you want to stay current state
of the art, you know, you know, you really have
to be on top of what's going on.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, and you always were. I mean I remember a
lot of people talk about that whole what was it?
Uh when we had who man doing the formations against Baltimore?
I think Alabama? There was someone who was doing it
a couple of weeks before.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Right, and then you know and listen, and that was
probably a project that you well, you know, No, it
was a lot like you know, I mean, you know
it's like Bill would Bill, Bill talk to Nick Saban
all the time. I mean, I mean there were I
mean this goes back because remember Bill and I METI
each other as high school teammates in nineteen seventy, nineteen seventy,
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nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
What's Bill like in nineteen seventy You have good feet.
You guys are both lineman.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
No, we're both ball but we love football.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But there's so many times I've heard in the meeting
room me and fucking Ernie could do this.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Uh, well, it depends on what we could. You know,
we could try hard if it required a lot of
ability forget next up.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Josh McDaniel's on what it's like coaching under Bill Belichick
and Nick Saban.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You coached at Michigan State, you got just for one year?
For one year with Saban? Was that part of ready
right after I graduated? Yeah, from Carol And so did
you think Nick gave you a recommendation of Bill? Sure?
I don't, I mean, I can't. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Brian, So, Brian was a second year GA. I was
a first year GA. So he was a year older
than me, Brian Dable Dable. So when I got there,
Brian was already in his second here and so I
was in my first year.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
So that was a huge experience.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
For me because coming to New England with Bill after
being with Nick, it didn't seem like such a like
a oh my gosh, yeah you know what I mean,
because I'd already like, all right, I know what this
is like, you know, after having been with Nick.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
What are the similarities and differences Nick is?
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Nick is not afraid to really detail it out, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Like there would be like a cover one.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Tip sheet for the DB's that was like this thick
that's just cover us one defense, you know what I mean,
It's like, holy cow, you know, if we do this,
do this, you know, got that, you know, and he
believed in preparation, preparation, preparation. It was relentless in that regard.
Bill was very much the same, but less like he
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would try to simplify. I thought, you know, as much
as he could, you know, and we might play cover one,
but he's not going to overwhelm you with you know,
too much detail. But I mean, honestly, there's their personalities
are a little different. Everybody thinks Bill is what you
see in the media, and as you know, it's not
(10:14):
like that, you know. So it was fun, It was
really it was great for me to have a chance
to be with Nick before going to Bill.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Baptize you into it, no doubt. You know, we all
forget Anakin was the Jedi first.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Next Matt Patricia on why winning makes you America's most
wanted in the.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
NFL Again, you think about the incredible run that we had,
like every year, let alone, we were getting whatever team
we played, we were getting their best because that was
the benchmark. But you're also playing the best teams every
year all the time. Like the mental fortituo is that word,
the mental toughness a favorite Tommy like the the what
(10:57):
do you.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Say standing up?
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Competitive setifs, it's my favorite favorite term that you would use.
Competitive stamina of you guys was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
And that's what a lot of people don't realize right
now with these Chiefs. Everyone says, oh, they only won
by two points. They don't realize that every team and
every coach that's coaching against them, they're sitting and they say,
that's America's most wanted. If we beat them, we're gonna
get paid more, we're gonna get a new job. We're
gonna do this every single team. And it's not like
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you're playing Louisiana Lafi at Agricultural School. To the right,
everyone's getting mad, everyone's good, everyone's good. So that's why
it's impressive what they're doing. But that's what matt Mattie
p was trying to say, like, you know, it gets
hard when you when you're winning first place every year,
you're America's most wanted, so you're playing everyone's super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
You don't realize, you know. And again, we did this
on purpose, right, so we were always kind of behind
the curtain, like you know, knowing we had that mystery
about us, right, which we loved because we didn't talk
outside the building like everything was in house. And we
loved it because actually it was an advantage. Like Teddy
would say this whole time. Breu would be like, we
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had them beat before they walk in the field because
everyone was like, how are they doing this? How are
they doing this? And once we put a little bit
of doubt in their head in the first or second quarter, we.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Were because we wouldn't make mistakes and they would.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yep, we had them.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
The great teams embrace the bulls eye.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Baby, you gotta you know what Kyle Busch, which is great, right.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
So he rubbed me when I was fucking starting to
race in the New Hampshire once when I was the
pit car.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, he fucking bumped me. So I did the same
thing New Hampshire. Go right, go do the same thing. Actually,
so I go out, I gotta I walk out with
him and uh give him a check or something to
him whatever. So you know, everyone loves to boo them, right,
So I come on, they like announced me and everyone's
kind of like and you know, cheering, and then like
they announced him that they want to boo but I'm
on there, so it's kind of awkward. And then he
(12:59):
just looks at me. He goes, he goes, I love
the booze. He goes, it means irrelevant, and I was like.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I like that, it's true love that. He was awesome.
He was He drove the pace car.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah I didn't drive it. I rode.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I drove. I drove the pace car. And he was
the first. He won the fucking polls, so he was.
He was the first car robins racing and that's what
he did. I went and I was like, hey, but
it was this the day's of Thuder was also he's
bump you. I rubbed you go rubbed.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
He's race He's also a Broncos fan, so I know
he's got.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
An He was so cool though he let he let
me all right, well he let me into his trailer
and everything.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
But he's in year old's definitely on this.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Oh yeah, come on.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Now. Ernie Adams explains how to beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
See I brought this, this is this is this is
my Chiefs book from twenty eighteen. Oh my gosh, which
you know this is so as you could see here,
juels what I do be, don't get of the game.
I've got every game they played, you know, guy, and
I've this is form I've you know, got comfortable using cards.
Well so these aren't the cards, but I can. But
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you know, one page you use both sides of course. Uh,
I got sixteen plays on each on each patch. So
if I want to find out, because the Chiefs or
Big they're repeaters, if they've done something in a critical
situation middle of the season, you get in that same
critical situation decent chance. You know you're going to get
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it again.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And I remember bill Ow He's saying, it's gonna be
the same play. They might have a different guy, they
have a different formulation or a different way of getting there,
but it's going to be this guy here, this guy there,
and this guy there.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Right, which is and that's that's typical of most good teams.
You know, you get good, you get in the critical
situation in the fourth quarter, like Sean Payton says, you
call the plays they know by heart. I mean, when
you're going down for a game wing driving the fourth quarter,
that's what you want to run, right, the stuff you've
been running since camp, you know, exactly what to do.
(15:02):
You know, everybody else on the team knows what to do,
and that's what you that gives you you most of
the time, gives you your best chance of success.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Now, Ernie, you have a play. So this is your
your folder for the Chief's twenty eighteen. Yeah, you do.
You have a folder for every single.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Team probably not not not to this detail, not to do,
but because I mean I've got I've got every game here,
you know, plus you know some some prior years. And
one of the reasons because I do the Chief is
they're really good. So you know, and I want to
you know, I don't want to go if I must
study you in the middle of March study a team.
(15:39):
I'm not going to go study the worst team in
the league. Yeah, that really doesn't work. I want to
see what's somebody who's good? What you know? What is
is there something they're doing that we can use? But
you know, putting it all down on paper to me
is you know the best way to uh? Because I
will tell you because you're where in your Phillips Academy hat.
(16:02):
The best teacher I ever had in my life was
my Latin teacher at Phillips academy who would put a
shawl up at the board. We started a class and
he said, we'll right, you know, right out this sentence,
how you translated it. And he would come and say,
oh lad, if you don't know it well enough to
write it down, you don't know it well enough.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Of course, when I would use you know, for for
thirty years, I would say that to players. You know,
say I know this play, Okay, put it up on
the board. Let's see if you can diagram. Let's see
if you really know it. So I'm a big believer.
You know, you really want to know something, put it
down on paper, study it, make sure you got it right.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You got to write it down. I wrote down everything.
That just make me pay attention now. I always remember
when we would be playing against these teams. The game plan.
When you're playing against the Patrick Mahomes team, I just remember,
as an offensive guy, plaster plaster. We got a plaster.
What's the game plan? So the biggest the biggest is
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and what does plaster mean?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Plaster means when when the quarterbacks start scrambling, you know,
you find finally if there's a guy open, go get
on him. What made this team so dangerous was you
got my homes and you got Tyreek Hill, who's you know,
the speed factor really changes things. So we got to
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be over the top on him. You know, these other
guys are good, but we have to you know, we
have to take this guy away deep. And that's why
I say, you always start off what what at the
heart of it? What do we really need to do
on defense here?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
So what did we do to do that?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
So we had Devin, we had we had safety over
the top of them all day, which you know it's
worked out, but they got you know that leaves other
people one on one. I mean, they got just we
get it. Later in the game they start hitting us
with the backs on the wheels. They hit the big
play the hill when my homes scrambled. And now you
always premishure defense will get ash, rush will keep the
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quarterback contained. The ball is going to have to come
out in about three seconds. When the quarterback gets loose,
and now he's got up there five to six second range,
your things start to break down. Bad stuff happens again.
This is you get your plan, you practice it, and
you do the best you can.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Now, how come Travis Kelcey always seems wide open.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Because he's you know, you get you know, number one,
he's got other you know, other great players around them,
so they can't just double up on him. You knows
how to working on when the quarterbacks moving around, he's
gonna he can adjust with it, and you know, and
he's you know, he's he's got a great tools for
a receiver.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah. Then when for this specific Kansas City team, the
number one thing was we have to contain Hill. We
have to let him have a big play, stay over
the top of head over the top. Put Jay Jones,
our fastest guy on him. Put our other guys.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Right. So so if he go you know, if he
goes over to Watkins, you got you got Steph. And
there there's a couple of plays there in the second quarter.
I mean it's back to back plays. I mean it's
Steph just well he just wires him at the line
of scrimmage. So yeah, you got single coverage, but it's
against Steph Gilmore and you guy can't get off the
line of scrimmage. And then you know, stuff happens during
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the game. They hit they hit one big play on
him because he kind of takes a sneak. You know
what you can't do. You're an old defensive back. You
play in the AFC Championship game. When it's man the
man coverage, what's the most important thing. Keep your leverage,
keep your levete, and keep your focus on the receiver.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Your receiver. Do you in the background, you stick.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Your rise back at the quarterback, it's over. And even
even as great player as Steph is got caught one time.
He's stuck a peep back and you know it's it's
going the wrong direction. So, I mean, this is like,
it's a messy game. Stuff happens. You just keep going,
do the best you can make. You try to make
more plays for your team than the guys for their team.
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You have a plan and all that. It doesn't always
work out that way.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, I mean there's you always got to adjusts.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Been just okay because the other team is doing exactly
the other team's trying to counteract for it, your.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Adjust to the adjustments. Yeah, that's how it's simple. What
do you think about the Chiefs have accomplished since this game.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
It's been phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
They were you know, I mean winning multiple super Bowls,
you know, being and really okay, they lost one to Uh,
they lost one because their offensive line was crippled up.
I mean they've they've been, you know, for the last
six years, they've been like we were, go to the
championship game every year, go to a bunch of Super Bowls.
I mean, I think it's it's a tremendous accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Do you draw any similarities between this run in our run?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You know, just having I mean I'm not there, but
I know it's you. You've got to have, you know,
mentally tough people who know how, you know who to
play over that long NFL c I can know how
to show up and be there when it counts.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
The one thing that I always say when people ask
me this same question is it's been really impressive to
see how they've reinvented their team the last three times,
you know what I mean, Like they've had to adjust
and they you know, people don't realize how hard it
is to sustain success with the salary cap, with when
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you have to pay certain guys and you don't have
enough money for other guys, and being having having the
humility and being humble enough to change their team from
being a high flying team like they were in this
year to a run defensive kind of team these last
couple of years. I mean, that's something that we always
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had to adjust to. We always adjusted our team to
what we could put on the field.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
You know. So that's some of the stuff what makes
Andy Reid such a good coach.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You know, he's got a he's got a great system,
he believes in it, obviously knows a teacher. I mean,
he's had he's been doing now because remember for him,
before the Kansas City, there was Philadelphia and they went
to you know, they had the string there. They went to,
you know, several NFC championship games. And look when you're
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in you know, when you're in the final four and
you lose, a couple of people say, I think, I mean,
that's you forget it. To get just just to just
to get to the championship game, you got to be
really good. There may be somebody who's just a little
bit better and beats you that, but that really shouldn't
take away from what you do. Although in the end,
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there's thirty two teams in the NFL, there's only one
that gets to stand out there, you know, with that
final trophy. So just because you know, maybe hey, you
didn't quite get there. You still could be really good,
you just you know, not quite good enough to win
the championship.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
How are Andy Reiding Bill different and how are they alike?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You know, because it's yeah, I've never worked with and
the you know, Bill I've known for fifty years, so
that's a little bit of a hard one for me too.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I've heard that he practices hard. I heard that they
practice really hard. You know.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
That's that's my impression. This is a team when they
come out for pregame warm up and nobody's screwing around.
I mean, they're getting after playing football. And you remember,
particularly your younger days, I think we practiced hard. We practiced,
I mean we were we were in pads and camp.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, run in the mornings.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I mean, that's that's that's classic NFL. I mean, you know,
that's that's why guys would have your offensive lineman they'd
have on their uh you know, the seven studgrass cleats
for the morning, they'd have on their shoes for the
afternoon for past protection.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's it's it's you know, you know, the old thing
about the different games. You're familiar with this a little bit, okay.
Croque A is a gentleman's game played by gentlemen. Soccer
is a beastly game played by gentlemen. Rugby is a
gentleman's game. You all that football is a beastly game
played by beasts. I mean, it's you know, this is
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it's a it's a you know, it's a nasty game.
If you want to learn how to play it, it's
you know, it's it's hard, it's tough.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's tough. You better be willing to bleed, eat some dirt,
take a tablespoon of some men, at least back in
the day. I don't know about that that.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I'm joking, but it's, you know, and that's what we say.
And I don't really know any good teams that were soft. Yeah,
I mean I think that's this. Some teams maybe have tried,
and there's some of the teams players come, well, we
wasn't like this the last team. I was, well, great,
how many championships did you win?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah? Now did you scout mahomes coming out of Texas Tech?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You know, we did not really be This was at
the stage we said there is zero possibility of us
taking a quarterback in the first round. So, I mean,
but he was he was. But but no, I wish,
uh you know, I I wish I could say I
studied than I did.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But have you seen his evolution from the early part
of his career? What have you noticed? How has he
evolved if you've watched it?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, you know, he started off really good and he's
gotten better, you know, and you know, you know, being
a good quarterback in the NFL that's a high wire act.
There's known that. So uh, you know, you you you
got to be aggressive with the ball, but you just
got you know, you got to know at some point
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this this is that there's that fine line between being reckless,
you know, being aggressive and being reckless. Thanks for listening.
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Ernie Adams on how to beat the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
The Ernie cards that we used to have to deal
with in practice every day, and that could.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Be Yeah, that could that could be part of it.
I mean it's not. I mean there's a lot of uh,
you know, all the all those cards, there's you know,
that's a lot of a lot of reading, a lot
of film study. Uh, because I always try to try
to put myself inside, you know, the other team. What
are they going to do against us?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Maybe maybe it's a play they ran three years ago
and I've been waiting for three years, you know, to
run this against us in practice. Sometimes it actually plays
out that way in the games. Most of the times
it doesn't. But but I always thought, you know, keep
everybody alert.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Do you ever remember a time where we had one
of those crazy Ernie cards where we were all bitching
and complaining like, oh, we'll never fucking see this. You
know you've seen it. When the offense is over, What
the fuck is this? What are we doing? Jesus Christ,
We're never do you remember specifically a time that.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Oh, so, for instance, we're playing the Dolphins, it's probably
around twoy eleven. So because Brian Dayball, of course was
he was with us for a number years, was the
offensive coordinator, and I said, what's Brian going to do?
And they had the throwback to the quarterback off the shotgun.
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So we ran that in practice and people are, well,
they ran exactly that play in the game. And the
fact that you know, we had seen it meant that
we could react to it just in time, you know,
to to make the play on defense, because the stuff
it's happening so fast. If you got to think, oh,
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it just went buy me, you got to you know,
you got to be able to anticipate. In fact, one
of the great the great lines for coaching football was
somebody I have a tremendous respect for Tom Landry who
would say, anticipation beat reaction every time you think ahead
of that, Hey, we know this is the situation. This
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is what we got to watch out for. And that
just makes a world of difference to just being out
there playing, oh my god, the play just went buy me. Yeah,
and how you've seen a lot of guys they're always
half a step light, and that that doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
That's what I try to explain to people, like when
they ask what was your guys day to day like,
and I'd be like, oh, well, we'd walk through plays.
We'd walk through the walkthroughs and we'd go to a
built in drill for that specific play, take it to
a seven on seven. Then do a team and we'd
have all these reps and you'd run thirty new plays,
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but you'd rep them four or five times, and guys
would bitch and complain, bitch and complain. But then when
you came when it came to game day, like Ernie said,
it's in your subconscious. It's built in your subconscious. So
you react and you've seen the play, it becomes deja
vu on this technique. This happens, Oh I see this guy.
I saw it in practice, I saw it in the walkthrough,
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and it allows you to play fast. And that's and
that's something that I always tell everyone. What made our
teams was our practice and our ability to really take
those meetings. I mean that's hard to get, you know,
thirty guys to really buy in and go over plays
and plays and plays. But that's what made us US
(03:31):
back to these earning cards. Okay, people don't realize, but
we'd have like three plays that are four point plays,
which is third down in the red area, which your
four point plays because you don't get him to get
a field goal, you need a touchdown. And one time
Ernie brings out this like blit zero look where these
guys jump out, and we look at where he got
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it from. He got it from when like the defensive
coordinator was a quality control guy at UOP in nineteen
ninety one, and Ernie found this one play on a
third down in the red area where he used it
against the look that we would give him. How many
games have you watched, Ernie.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, a lot, and you know it goes not only
watch but take notes. So I have, like I can
go to my book looking for you know, those crazy situations,
you know, and when I write a play, I always
label it, Hey, this was again, this was whatever cal
against Stanford two thousand and three, you know, and it
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was playing number fifty eight in the game. So if
I really need to go back and find a video,
I've got it right there. And I don't pretend that
I can just you know, if I had to just
rely on my memory for all of it. It takes
me three weeks, which doesn't do any good when the
game is Sunday, you know. I mean, when I'm doing
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those cards on Thursday night, I need the information.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And you know, like right now, Ernie, you could do
a guess. I mean, approximately how many games have you watched?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Oh god, forty years worth? Which is all you know?
Which is there's all you know? And of course this
is you know, like we I would take, you know,
a team that I thought was good on offense, like say,
from probably two thousand and seven to twenty nineteen, the
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two best offensive teams in the National Football League over
that time, where the Patriots and the Saints. Okay, I
mean they were just you know, year in year out,
you know, both of us, you know, were some of
the best teams in the league. So I would you know,
a nice snowy February day, I just you know, take
some Saints games and just go through them, you know,
and it's one place. It just grind it out, one
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play at a time. You try to find stuff, you
know that.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
People don't realize when he's when he's logging these, he's
watching the play and after each played, he's putting down
the formation, the personnel group, the defensive line, look, the coverage,
the potential blitch, the situation, the score. Like he's putting
all that down every time he's watching each play.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
And you make it I'm not telling yeah, I mean
I'm writing, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
On my hundred thousand games.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's probably a little much. And I would pick and choose,
you know which, I mean some games, like in all honesty,
two bad teams playing, I would have a hard time
getting myself excited about watching, you know, like right now
the you know, the Carolina Panthers playing the Atlanta Falcons.
It's unless there was something I really wanted to see.
(06:46):
It's kind of hard for me, you know, to take
invest three hours, you know, to to watch it. But
if there's teams, you know, who are doing interesting things
that I thought, hey, there could be something here that
we can use at some point, you know, because there
were a lot of plays I might see, uh you know,
(07:06):
I mean I could go to Josh McDaniels, Hey, here's
here's a couple of plays that I've seen in the league.
We should think about putting that, putting this in for us,
and you know, John, we were all doing the same, uh,
the same thing. If you want to stay current state
of the art, you know, you know, you really have
to be on top of what's going on.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, and you always were. I mean I remember a
lot of people talk about that whole what was it?
Uh when we had who man doing the formations against Baltimore?
I think Alabama? There was someone who was doing it
a couple of weeks before.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Right, and then you know and listen, and that was
probably a project that you well, you know, No, it
was a lot like you know, I mean, you know
it's like Bill would Bill, Bill talk to Nick Saban
all the time. I mean, I mean there were I
mean this goes back because remember Bill and I METI
each other as high school teammates in nineteen seventy, nineteen seventy,
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nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
What's Bill like in nineteen seventy You have good feet.
You guys are both lineman.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
No, we're both ball but we love football.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But there's so many times I've heard in the meeting
room me and fucking Ernie could do this.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Uh, well, it depends on what we could. You know,
we could try hard if it required a lot of
ability forget next up.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Josh McDaniel's on what it's like coaching under Bill Belichick
and Nick Saban.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You coached at Michigan State, you got just for one year?
For one year with Saban? Was that part of ready
right after I graduated? Yeah, from Carol And so did
you think Nick gave you a recommendation of Bill? Sure?
I don't, I mean, I can't. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Brian, So, Brian was a second year GA. I was
a first year GA. So he was a year older
than me, Brian Dable Dable. So when I got there,
Brian was already in his second here and so I
was in my first year.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
So that was a huge experience.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
For me because coming to New England with Bill after
being with Nick, it didn't seem like such a like
a oh my gosh, yeah you know what I mean,
because I'd already like, all right, I know what this
is like, you know, after having been with Nick.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
What are the similarities and differences Nick is?
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Nick is not afraid to really detail it out, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Like there would be like a cover one.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Tip sheet for the DB's that was like this thick
that's just cover us one defense, you know what I mean,
It's like, holy cow, you know, if we do this,
do this, you know, got that, you know, and he
believed in preparation, preparation, preparation. It was relentless in that regard.
Bill was very much the same, but less like he
(09:53):
would try to simplify. I thought, you know, as much
as he could, you know, and we might play cover one,
but he's not going to overwhelm you with you know,
too much detail. But I mean, honestly, there's their personalities
are a little different. Everybody thinks Bill is what you
see in the media, and as you know, it's not
(10:14):
like that, you know. So it was fun, It was
really it was great for me to have a chance
to be with Nick before going to Bill.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Baptize you into it, no doubt. You know, we all
forget Anakin was the Jedi first.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Next Matt Patricia on why winning makes you America's most
wanted in the.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
NFL Again, you think about the incredible run that we had,
like every year, let alone, we were getting whatever team
we played, we were getting their best because that was
the benchmark. But you're also playing the best teams every
year all the time. Like the mental fortituo is that word,
the mental toughness a favorite Tommy like the the what
(10:57):
do you.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Say standing up?
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Competitive setifs, it's my favorite favorite term that you would use.
Competitive stamina of you guys was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
And that's what a lot of people don't realize right
now with these Chiefs. Everyone says, oh, they only won
by two points. They don't realize that every team and
every coach that's coaching against them, they're sitting and they say,
that's America's most wanted. If we beat them, we're gonna
get paid more, we're gonna get a new job. We're
gonna do this every single team. And it's not like
(11:27):
you're playing Louisiana Lafi at Agricultural School. To the right,
everyone's getting mad, everyone's good, everyone's good. So that's why
it's impressive what they're doing. But that's what matt Mattie
p was trying to say, like, you know, it gets
hard when you when you're winning first place every year,
you're America's most wanted, so you're playing everyone's super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
You don't realize, you know. And again, we did this
on purpose, right, so we were always kind of behind
the curtain, like you know, knowing we had that mystery
about us, right, which we loved because we didn't talk
outside the building like everything was in house. And we
loved it because actually it was an advantage. Like Teddy
would say this whole time. Breu would be like, we
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had them beat before they walk in the field because
everyone was like, how are they doing this? How are
they doing this? And once we put a little bit
of doubt in their head in the first or second quarter, we.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Were because we wouldn't make mistakes and they would.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yep, we had them.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
The great teams embrace the bulls eye.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Baby, you gotta you know what Kyle Busch, which is great, right.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
So he rubbed me when I was fucking starting to
race in the New Hampshire once when I was the
pit car.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, he fucking bumped me. So I did the same
thing New Hampshire. Go right, go do the same thing. Actually,
so I go out, I gotta I walk out with
him and uh give him a check or something to
him whatever. So you know, everyone loves to boo them, right,
So I come on, they like announced me and everyone's
kind of like and you know, cheering, and then like
they announced him that they want to boo but I'm
on there, so it's kind of awkward. And then he
(12:59):
just looks at me. He goes, he goes, I love
the booze. He goes, it means irrelevant, and I was like.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I like that, it's true love that. He was awesome.
He was He drove the pace car.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah I didn't drive it. I rode.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I drove. I drove the pace car. And he was
the first. He won the fucking polls, so he was.
He was the first car robins racing and that's what
he did. I went and I was like, hey, but
it was this the day's of Thuder was also he's
bump you. I rubbed you go rubbed.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
He's race He's also a Broncos fan, so I know
he's got.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
An He was so cool though he let he let
me all right, well he let me into his trailer
and everything.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
But he's in year old's definitely on this.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Oh yeah, come on.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Now. Ernie Adams explains how to beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
See I brought this, this is this is this is
my Chiefs book from twenty eighteen. Oh my gosh, which
you know this is so as you could see here,
juels what I do be, don't get of the game.
I've got every game they played, you know, guy, and
I've this is form I've you know, got comfortable using cards.
Well so these aren't the cards, but I can. But
(14:07):
you know, one page you use both sides of course. Uh,
I got sixteen plays on each on each patch. So
if I want to find out, because the Chiefs or
Big they're repeaters, if they've done something in a critical
situation middle of the season, you get in that same
critical situation decent chance. You know you're going to get
(14:28):
it again.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And I remember bill Ow He's saying, it's gonna be
the same play. They might have a different guy, they
have a different formulation or a different way of getting there,
but it's going to be this guy here, this guy there,
and this guy there.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Right, which is and that's that's typical of most good teams.
You know, you get good, you get in the critical
situation in the fourth quarter, like Sean Payton says, you
call the plays they know by heart. I mean, when
you're going down for a game wing driving the fourth quarter,
that's what you want to run, right, the stuff you've
been running since camp, you know, exactly what to do.
(15:02):
You know, everybody else on the team knows what to do,
and that's what you that gives you you most of
the time, gives you your best chance of success.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Now, Ernie, you have a play. So this is your
your folder for the Chief's twenty eighteen. Yeah, you do.
You have a folder for every single.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Team probably not not not to this detail, not to do,
but because I mean I've got I've got every game here,
you know, plus you know some some prior years. And
one of the reasons because I do the Chief is
they're really good. So you know, and I want to
you know, I don't want to go if I must
study you in the middle of March study a team.
(15:39):
I'm not going to go study the worst team in
the league. Yeah, that really doesn't work. I want to
see what's somebody who's good? What you know? What is
is there something they're doing that we can use? But
you know, putting it all down on paper to me
is you know the best way to uh? Because I
will tell you because you're where in your Phillips Academy hat.
(16:02):
The best teacher I ever had in my life was
my Latin teacher at Phillips academy who would put a
shawl up at the board. We started a class and
he said, we'll right, you know, right out this sentence,
how you translated it. And he would come and say,
oh lad, if you don't know it well enough to
write it down, you don't know it well enough.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Of course, when I would use you know, for for
thirty years, I would say that to players. You know,
say I know this play, Okay, put it up on
the board. Let's see if you can diagram. Let's see
if you really know it. So I'm a big believer.
You know, you really want to know something, put it
down on paper, study it, make sure you got it right.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You got to write it down. I wrote down everything.
That just make me pay attention now. I always remember
when we would be playing against these teams. The game plan.
When you're playing against the Patrick Mahomes team, I just remember,
as an offensive guy, plaster plaster. We got a plaster.
What's the game plan? So the biggest the biggest is
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and what does plaster mean?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Plaster means when when the quarterbacks start scrambling, you know,
you find finally if there's a guy open, go get
on him. What made this team so dangerous was you
got my homes and you got Tyreek Hill, who's you know,
the speed factor really changes things. So we got to
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be over the top on him. You know, these other
guys are good, but we have to you know, we
have to take this guy away deep. And that's why
I say, you always start off what what at the
heart of it? What do we really need to do
on defense here?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
So what did we do to do that?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
So we had Devin, we had we had safety over
the top of them all day, which you know it's
worked out, but they got you know that leaves other
people one on one. I mean, they got just we
get it. Later in the game they start hitting us
with the backs on the wheels. They hit the big
play the hill when my homes scrambled. And now you
always premishure defense will get ash, rush will keep the
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quarterback contained. The ball is going to have to come
out in about three seconds. When the quarterback gets loose,
and now he's got up there five to six second range,
your things start to break down. Bad stuff happens again.
This is you get your plan, you practice it, and
you do the best you can.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Now, how come Travis Kelcey always seems wide open.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Because he's you know, you get you know, number one,
he's got other you know, other great players around them,
so they can't just double up on him. You knows
how to working on when the quarterbacks moving around, he's
gonna he can adjust with it, and you know, and
he's you know, he's he's got a great tools for
a receiver.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah. Then when for this specific Kansas City team, the
number one thing was we have to contain Hill. We
have to let him have a big play, stay over
the top of head over the top. Put Jay Jones,
our fastest guy on him. Put our other guys.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Right. So so if he go you know, if he
goes over to Watkins, you got you got Steph. And
there there's a couple of plays there in the second quarter.
I mean it's back to back plays. I mean it's
Steph just well he just wires him at the line
of scrimmage. So yeah, you got single coverage, but it's
against Steph Gilmore and you guy can't get off the
line of scrimmage. And then you know, stuff happens during
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the game. They hit they hit one big play on
him because he kind of takes a sneak. You know
what you can't do. You're an old defensive back. You
play in the AFC Championship game. When it's man the
man coverage, what's the most important thing. Keep your leverage,
keep your levete, and keep your focus on the receiver.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Your receiver. Do you in the background, you stick.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Your rise back at the quarterback, it's over. And even
even as great player as Steph is got caught one time.
He's stuck a peep back and you know it's it's
going the wrong direction. So, I mean, this is like,
it's a messy game. Stuff happens. You just keep going,
do the best you can make. You try to make
more plays for your team than the guys for their team.
(20:01):
You have a plan and all that. It doesn't always
work out that way.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, I mean there's you always got to adjusts.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Been just okay because the other team is doing exactly
the other team's trying to counteract for it, your.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Adjust to the adjustments. Yeah, that's how it's simple. What
do you think about the Chiefs have accomplished since this game.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
It's been phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
They were you know, I mean winning multiple super Bowls,
you know, being and really okay, they lost one to Uh,
they lost one because their offensive line was crippled up.
I mean they've they've been, you know, for the last
six years, they've been like we were, go to the
championship game every year, go to a bunch of Super Bowls.
I mean, I think it's it's a tremendous accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Do you draw any similarities between this run in our run?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You know, just having I mean I'm not there, but
I know it's you. You've got to have, you know,
mentally tough people who know how, you know who to
play over that long NFL c I can know how
to show up and be there when it counts.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
The one thing that I always say when people ask
me this same question is it's been really impressive to
see how they've reinvented their team the last three times,
you know what I mean, Like they've had to adjust
and they you know, people don't realize how hard it
is to sustain success with the salary cap, with when
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you have to pay certain guys and you don't have
enough money for other guys, and being having having the
humility and being humble enough to change their team from
being a high flying team like they were in this
year to a run defensive kind of team these last
couple of years. I mean, that's something that we always
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had to adjust to. We always adjusted our team to
what we could put on the field.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
You know. So that's some of the stuff what makes
Andy Reid such a good coach.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You know, he's got a he's got a great system,
he believes in it, obviously knows a teacher. I mean,
he's had he's been doing now because remember for him,
before the Kansas City, there was Philadelphia and they went
to you know, they had the string there. They went to,
you know, several NFC championship games. And look when you're
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in you know, when you're in the final four and
you lose, a couple of people say, I think, I mean,
that's you forget it. To get just just to just
to get to the championship game, you got to be
really good. There may be somebody who's just a little
bit better and beats you that, but that really shouldn't
take away from what you do. Although in the end,
(22:39):
there's thirty two teams in the NFL, there's only one
that gets to stand out there, you know, with that
final trophy. So just because you know, maybe hey, you
didn't quite get there. You still could be really good,
you just you know, not quite good enough to win
the championship.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
How are Andy Reiding Bill different and how are they alike?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You know, because it's yeah, I've never worked with and
the you know, Bill I've known for fifty years, so
that's a little bit of a hard one for me too.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I've heard that he practices hard. I heard that they
practice really hard. You know.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
That's that's my impression. This is a team when they
come out for pregame warm up and nobody's screwing around.
I mean, they're getting after playing football. And you remember,
particularly your younger days, I think we practiced hard. We practiced,
I mean we were we were in pads and camp.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, run in the mornings.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I mean, that's that's that's classic NFL. I mean, you know,
that's that's why guys would have your offensive lineman they'd
have on their uh you know, the seven studgrass cleats
for the morning, they'd have on their shoes for the
afternoon for past protection.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's it's it's you know, you know, the old thing
about the different games. You're familiar with this a little bit, okay.
Croque A is a gentleman's game played by gentlemen. Soccer
is a beastly game played by gentlemen. Rugby is a
gentleman's game. You all that football is a beastly game
played by beasts. I mean, it's you know, this is
(24:17):
it's a it's a you know, it's a nasty game.
If you want to learn how to play it, it's
you know, it's it's hard, it's tough.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's tough. You better be willing to bleed, eat some dirt,
take a tablespoon of some men, at least back in
the day. I don't know about that that.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I'm joking, but it's, you know, and that's what we say.
And I don't really know any good teams that were soft. Yeah,
I mean I think that's this. Some teams maybe have tried,
and there's some of the teams players come, well, we
wasn't like this the last team. I was, well, great,
how many championships did you win?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah? Now did you scout mahomes coming out of Texas Tech?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You know, we did not really be This was at
the stage we said there is zero possibility of us
taking a quarterback in the first round. So, I mean,
but he was he was. But but no, I wish,
uh you know, I I wish I could say I
studied than I did.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But have you seen his evolution from the early part
of his career? What have you noticed? How has he
evolved if you've watched it?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, you know, he started off really good and he's
gotten better, you know, and you know, you know, being
a good quarterback in the NFL that's a high wire act.
There's known that. So uh, you know, you you you
got to be aggressive with the ball, but you just
got you know, you got to know at some point
(25:45):
this this is that there's that fine line between being reckless,
you know, being aggressive and being reckless. Thanks for listening.
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