August 17, 2025 • 36 mins
From Josh McDaniels to Robert Horry, we hear from coaches and players on some of the most iconic play calls in sports history.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Games of Names.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm Julie Edelman, and we got a brand new compilation
highlight reels starting now now.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Matt Patricia on Malcolm Butler's Super Bowl ceiling interception.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Can you walk us through the Malcolm Butler Yeah situation,
the interception in fourteen on the Super Bowl, that whole
sequence of plays and what do you got on that?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
So obviously you're talking about great games, and certainly the
eleven Baltimore team and the why and all of it.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
That's why I love that one.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
And obviously you so I thought that'd be a great one.
But you know these the fourteen game, the sixteen game,
you know, the Super Bowl. There's there's some crazy, crazy
stuff that just happened in those games. And the thing
about the fourteen Super Bowl with Seattle. So going back
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to around this time, really when I took over the
defense eleven and ten, Bill would come to me every
training camp and again in the Bible, I had all
the calls, and he'd be like, Hey, it's like we
really every training game, Hey, when are we putting goal
line three corner in? And I'd be like, yeah, like
we gotta get that in. We gotta get that I'm like,
we're never gonna run goal line three corner, like it's
eleven personnel, Like I'm not doing it, like they're gonna throw,
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like it's just the whole thing. So for years I
was like, yeah, it's going at like we never got
it in. So as soon as we win the championship
game and I'm like, I knew we were playing Seattle
and walked into the defensive staff from I go, you're
not gonna believe I'm about to say, and they're like what,
And I'm like, we got to put goal line three
corner in And I'm like, what are you talking about.
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I'm like, we're gonna need this call in this game.
I'm just telling you, like, we can't. We can't go
eleven personnel and not have as much mass on the field.
I'm like, we got to figure this out. So I
knew like that Monday and everyone was like, there's no
way you're gonna call this, and I'm like, I'm just
telling you we're gonna need this call, so start drawing
it up going through the car.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I think you need the call because I.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Knew that no one need see it. We hadn't run it.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
We hadn't run this call, might need that call.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Just eleven personnel inside the three yard line trying to
be able to stop Lynch the quarterback run game, the
receivers that are on the field if you were going
to go sub defense on the two yard line, Like.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Just too much space, there's just too much space. Like
he's just he's too good.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Remember, like I played Lynch for a lot of years
when he was at Buffalo, Like my happiest day when
Buffalo sent him Seattle. I was like thank like send
flowers to Buffalo, like you get him out because this
guy is unstoppable.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I'm like that guy was so good.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So good.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
So we I just needed to have enough size to
stop the line of scrimmage from moving. And I couldn't
give up any space. And I also knew that no
one had seen it and it was going to be
one of those calls where I was gonna make them panic,
like they were gonna panic. I wasn't sure what they're
gonna do. We knew, you know, that they would have
a check, which they did. We knew we'd kind of
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get him into that throw the Rubb route, so we
get I draw it all up, I get it.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Ready to go. We go down.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I remember we practiced like three days before we leave,
and then we go and I kind of told everybody,
I'm like, look, we're gonna put this in as soon
as we get down there. But I wanted the week
to really work through all the problems, like that's just
kind of my problem solving. I wasn't gonna give it
to the guys and then change it. So we get
down to Arizona, and you know, I put it in
and I kind of had the guys in the right
spot that I thought.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
We practiced it.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Now, we ran that pick route, we ran it like
and of course, of course they're into the cards, but
like we that was like one of those cards like
we need to see this card, like this is this
is voices. We did, and the thing was everybody saw
it like it wasn't the same guy every time seeing it.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
We ran all the combinations.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
So we get into the game or we get we
get to the end of the week of practice and
I looked at it and I was like, I don't
there's something here. I don't really like I need to move,
you know. I switched Jamie, I switched him, I switched High.
I kind of moved somebody up and I kind of
switched it after we practiced it like the last day,
and we kind of just walked through it, and I
was like, all right, because it was really about stopping
the r It was going to stop the run, and
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really the combination with it to that side was the
snack m flat. I didn't worry about the other side
because we knew what that was so practice. It changed
it at the last minute and I was like, okay,
like it's ready, we're gonna I'm gonna need this. And
it's literally written, it's like three letters in the bottom
right hand corner of the call sheet.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
It's like the most tiniest call on the sheet.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
So beginning of the game, we had talked about how
tough this game was going to be. The first play
of the game is my favorite play of the game.
Like you watched the defensive guys because we knew their
offensive line looked to clean clean the pile. So as
soon as Lunch got the ball, they were coming to
take people out. And I was like, look, we're gonna
tagle this due in the first play of the game.
I'm like, but as soon as he's down, everybody else
go find someone, Go find someone, and go knock their
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heads off because they're not doing that to us. And
to the point of like one of my favorite compliments
of all time, and it was probably in the twelve
eer was Chris Berman, who's great guy, great friend, came
up to me and he goes, he said to me,
he goes, you have the best tackling corners in the NFL.
And I was like, if our corners tackled at a high level,
the whole team's going to tackle a high level. I
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just I took so much pride in that. So in
that first player of the Super Bowl and fourteen, we
tackle inch, everyone turns and looks and starts to take
dudes out, and like Revis is like taking He's going
to get like one of the biggest linemen. You know,
the tackles they had that's coming. It's I'm like, okay,
like we're on this right, Like we're we're coming. So
we get into the second half and you know, going
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into halftime, we were struggling with some coverage matches, right and.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
They scored right before half. I was I was hot,
it was hot.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
This was bad.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
There's a bad series of bad play. So I am literally,
you know, I'm I'm, I'm like, we're changing, like I'm
switching some guys up.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Malcolm is gonna come in the whole deal.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
So get into the second half and they have It
was kind of back and forth right like they were moving,
we were moving. It was like, you know, the defenses
in the Super Bowl get worn out. It's just what happens.
You know, if you can control it early, you have chance.
But you know, if you're playing like those games are long,
and if you're moving the ball ear in the first half,
the second half, you're worried about, you know, how well
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is the defense gonna hold up.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
It's gonna be, you know, be a shootout. So both
teams are moving the.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Ball and I was like, ah, man, this is this
is We got to get one stop in the red area,
will be okay. So it's a series going away from
you know, like the last play the game is the
left the series going to the right end zone and.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Third and two.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
So I call I call call one of our one
of the stackbacker left. So the idea of the call
was we're gonna walk up on the edge the defensive
end who's now in Ninkovic. He's gonna crash down hard
and he's gonna take out Lynch, and then the backer's
coming off for the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
So call stackbacker left third and two.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Rob goes in and nails Lynch and we stop them
on third and two. So I was like, we just
stopped him on a nickel defense really two yards giving
the ball.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Lynch like that's pretty So I'm.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Like, Okay, that's gonna change what they're gonna that's gonna
change what they're doing right now. So we get the
last drive they hit. You know, they're coming down hit
the big play down the far sideline. It's on the
opposite side the rule chain, you know. Doron jumps over
the pile, it falls, he catches it. Now again, I'm
sitting here twenty fourteen, seven years later in the same
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stadium in the Super Bowl where David Tyree, when I
coached in college, who was a special team didn't catch
anything in college, catches this thing right, and I'm like,
holyf did that just happen again?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I was like, I was a.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I was on the scene.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
We're talking about the scene where he tipped it and
curse ended up Malcolm.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Malcolm's great, there's a great play.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
That Malcolm makes on a third down earlier, where he
goes up and through the pocket and then rips the
near hand and gets the ball out there. There's a
big play in that game earlier to kind of get
him off the field to get the ball back to
the offense. But so now they line up on him.
I click into High. I'm like, they're going to run it,
man like. And now I'm looking at High's got one arm.
I'm like, they're gonna run it. We were stuck in
the defense and he makes it. That's an unbelievable tackle.
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Unbelievablet tackle. One of them hits him down. So now
the clock is moving, so I know the situation and
so this, I mean, it's one of those moments where
really like the like life slowed down for me. But
I don't know exactly how long the seconds were, but
for me, it felt like a half hour. So I
know the call I want to make. I'm hearing eleven
personnel going in the game, and I slide over next
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to Bill because I didn't I wasn't gonna put it
out there and let them call time out. I didn't
want them to see no one had seen this. And
then so I slided it next to Bill and I
was like, hey, I'm like, are you calling the timeout?
And he's staring. He's just staring across the field and
I'm like, Bill, I'm like, are you calling the time out?
And he's not saying anything to me. And I was like, hey,
I go, I need to know because I'm not putting
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this out there. Are you calling the time out? And
he's like, yeah, just make your call. And I was
like okay, so I click out. I'm like, hey, go
line three, corner.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Get it out.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Make sure we got Malcolm. So like they're all I'm
down with Bill. Everyone's outs down on the sideline, so
flow at her flow. He's like, he's like screaming because
we had changed the coverages. So like later, you know,
I'm talking to Bill and I was like, what were
you watching. He's like, well, I was watching Pete. He's like,
and I'm watching their offense trying to figure out like
they put the personnel?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Could they sub He's watching and.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Then once we put goal line, he knew we subbed
it so late they weren't gonna be able to change.
They were going to go to the check so we
were just waiting it out to see who could get
it out there last. And I was like, cause the
Hemlic communication shuts off, so they weren't gonna be able
to check the play to Russ. So we get goal lines,
so they just see gold line. We're sitting on goal line,
so they goal line is going out well automatically to them,
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They're like, all right, well we're gonna throw it.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Well, I have like six thousand pounds of flesh like
sitting there.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I have like Chandler Jones, Dante high Tower, Jamie Collins, Branch, Vince.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
This is like a a eighteen wheeler out there, Like.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
You know, I understand, like just give the ball to Lynch,
but like we had just stopped him on Like these
are like some of the best players in the.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
NFL right there.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Yeah, So I was like, they're gonna panic, They're gonna
throw it. I was worried about the snacks of them
flat so that was built. So I watched them build.
So I'm watching my end. I'm watching the left side,
and I'm like watching them build. They bring the receiver over.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I think you think that the rub was is all good.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I just we're good on the rub, Like they're gonna
go to the snack seven flat the guy to have
a play to the other side. They're gonna pick the linebacker.
So I'm like, so I'm on with high. I got hey,
make sure you don't get picked here. I'm like, Lynch
is going to you know this is gonna be snacks
him flat to your to your side. So I'm watching
the left side of the offensive, right side of the defense,
and all snapped and I look and it snags of
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them flat and we get picked. Chandler's peeling late because
he had the peel call he had from the high tigh.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I'm like, give Chan the call.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
So Chan's peeling late, but if it was good throw,
I was like, this is going to be a touchdown.
And I look and I'm like and then they picked
the linebacker. So I'm on the headset and I'm like,
all right, here we go. I'm like, all right, it's
not the run. I'm like, yeah, we're gonna get the
snack seven flat. I'm like, oh my god, they picked him.
And then everyone starts screaming. They're like, no, he picked it,
and I'm like, who picked what? I didn't eve see
the play. I didn't even see the player on the
other side. I was so worried because the guy's opened
and the flat so everyone's going crazy and I'm like what,
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I don't even know. I'm like, what happened? Obviously, the
best part of the story is Browner, who I love.
Browner is the one who we're going in half. He's like,
Browner knew that personnel so good. He's like, put me here,
put them there, put them there, right, So it'd be
a good coach. The best thing you can do is
just listen to your best player, listen to your smart players.
So that was the matchups that we did. But when
they built the stack, you know, Browner looks at Malcolm
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and goes, listen, I'm gonna choke the shit out of him.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You just go.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
And if you watch the play, Browner's he's literally got
his hands around his neck. Yeah, and he's and he's
and then Malcolm just goes. So I didn't see any
of that. I'm like, we got picked everyone, and everyone's like, no,
you picked it. I'm like, who, I didn't even know
we had the ball. So that was like chaos is
going on. So now again I'm nervous because I'm looking
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at the clock.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I'm like Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I'm like where the balls like on the inch line here,
like there's right. So I'm like, they're gonna get the
ball back, there's up. I'm going through situational plays. No
one wants to listen to me because I'm like, what
are we gonna do? What are we putting out there?
Because I'm panicked, like we're gonna be back on the
field and obviously, you know, we get the thing and
the games end, and to turn around and Revis is
running at me and he jumps and I like catch him,
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like do you know he's so he's his little this
is what he was so good, he was so strong,
so he bent.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
He cracks my back.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
So the end of Super Bowl, I cracked my back
like in the celebration because he jumps up on me.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I didn't care, Like who cares? Who cares?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Right, it doesn't matter, you know, stev b is running
around me like like he like everybody's freaking out.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
It was like amazing.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Malcolm still crying and it was like, yeah, it was
like total chaos and my best my best play. If
you watch, if you watch the coaches copy of that tape,
if you watch the end zone copy, because again, we
had the extended end zone because we watched the celebration
and all that stuff in the back of the end
zone is the Seattle mascot. It's my favorite thing in
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the whole world. He's standing there and you can see
him as as right before the snap. You can see
him like you can just see like you know.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
His his face. His expression is the change you seem.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Okay, back the hands, think Lynch, we're about to like
score here we and they snapped the ball and you
see him freeze and then the ball's picked and he
just takes his hands and he puts his hand on
the front of his beak and he stands there like
and he doesn't move and you could just see him like,
what the hell just happened. It's the funniest ship ever.
I'm just telling you. It's hysterical. And he doesn't move
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like there's chaos going He doesn't move for like five minutes.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
He's just standing there. It's amazing. But you know what's crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That's not the first time a coach has has pointed out, Ah.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
We watched the stands all the time because they watched
so much film.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
So they sit there chatty l would come in there like.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Beer on.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
This guy this my favorite.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Every year I would watch this dude.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Every year. There's a guy in Buffalo and every scoreboard
he sits in the right corner of the stadium and
it would be the middle of December. He's got no
shirt on, he's got a big beer belly, and he
looks kind of like, you know, he's got long gray hair.
So I'm like, and he's every year he there and
I always check. I'm like, he's still there, and no,
sure it's middle you know. Or the in New Orleans
where the scoreboard there'd always be a crew that and
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Halloween would dress in costumes instead above the score so
you just you just you look always but the mascot
in the end zone of that thing. It's really we
had an extension. It's one of the most amazing things.
But that was that play, how that was put together,
the game, the halftime, the fact that it was like,
I can't believe we're going to install this. This is
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like six years he'd been asking. I'm like, nope, here
it does we need it?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
We got it.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
We're gonna have it right now and put that in
a week and have that thing go out.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Wash that was crazy.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
And honestly, that whole defensive year like give that like
Vince wilf work and I sat down because you know,
look he wanted to win again like he was and
he was unbelievable. Man. His leadership is guidance of like, hey,
let's do this, like we you know, give the defensive
guys a book. We read, you know, Legacy the All Blacks,
and we put all our words together and just kind
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of like all the way through the season, you know,
the night before the Super Bowl I kind of read
it to the defense again and like, hey, this is
what we said we're gonna do. And you know, when
you win the Super Bowl, yeah, I think that was
the year. I kind of told him, like the trophy,
you know what it's like to hold the trophy, you know,
and it's it's heavy at the top, and it was
kind of like the thing the story, and I explained
to him how you know, and when we won and
you know four and being able to hold the trophy
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and what that's like and just all of that expression
into and Vince leading the charge and then you know,
we tell him like you win a super Bowl, like
you're bonded for life, like You're bonded for life, Like
it doesn't matter where you are when it is. Anybody
on those teams call you are bonded for life. I
have a great picture of you. I was actually looking
at the other day. It's you and Rob and Chan
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after the White House. You guys are walking down the
side of the bus. It's just the three of you,
and I just snapped it, you know. I mean, I
think you got a lip her out to here.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
And like, you know, like the whole deal.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
We've just been in the way and it's like it's
the coolest shit ever. Yeah, you know, But that that
play the.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Time, it was just one of those moments in life
where just time stopped.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, and I just like, here we go.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
We're gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna do this. It's gonna
be crazy.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Next up, Josh McDaniels breaks down both of Julian's career
touchdown passes.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
After we scored that touchdown, I remember, that's that's when
you came up to me.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
I did.
Speaker 8 (16:15):
I said, do you need any lead time for the
double pass? And you and you said what? And I said,
do I have to tell you that it's coming? Meaning
like you need to take your red gloves off or whatever,
you know exact we're cutters or whatever they are, Like,
what do you do? Do I need to tell you
that this is coming, like fuck five minutes in advance.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
You're like, no, no, no, yeah, that's what you said.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Just throw it, just call it whenever you want. I'm like, okay,
you know, so we so we did. Yeah, that was
the the first touchdown was the one we actually did
the Raven Baltimore formation the first time. First time, we're
down by fourteen, and then when we scored one, that's
when we went with the double pass.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
A double pass. Speaking of double pass, which we.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Had actually called earlier in the season against the Chiefs.
Against the Chiefs, right, just didn't we just didn't throw
it over there. We called it, and you know it
was Dola gonna throw it. Wasn't it was it you
or Dola.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
I don't remember.
Speaker 10 (17:08):
I watched this morning. It was gonna be you.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
But Dola was like saying he was playing a man coverage,
like we couldn't do it.
Speaker 10 (17:15):
Was trying to call you off when you were in motion.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah. Can we go into the second time I threw
the football.
Speaker 11 (17:22):
Twenty nineteen in Philly, Philly.
Speaker 10 (17:24):
Yeah, we can do that. It was a great story.
Juice's story, his side.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Love to hear your side. I don't know if my
memories really fucked.
Speaker 10 (17:34):
Up the night before the game. This is the story.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Yeah, so we well this wasn't the same play. No,
it's a different play. Throw it here, throw it back
and set up the catch and run.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
And in the we we.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
Always did like a little ballroom, which always felt like
you guys loved that.
Speaker 10 (17:55):
I loved it.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Reiterate.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
It was almost like a very comforting feeling when you
walked out of there, like we all study.
Speaker 10 (18:00):
We all got it.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Yeah, we all got it. And it was loose and
and so.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
But it wasn't always loose depending on like the games.
Sometimes we go in there running hard and stuff.
Speaker 8 (18:08):
I no, but that was that was But I don't
think we ever went in there like. It wasn't like
a big like it wasn't like a big like teaching
session at all. It was I would I would call
the play, you guys would get on with you would
do it and walk through it, and that was it.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But if you had like a new player coming in
that had a big role, that was different, you know,
like if he was nervous and we were all.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Kind of watching them too as well.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
And Julian Julian, well, I'll tell him to tell two
stories quickly. The when he came back in two thousand eighteen,
eighteen eighteen. Okay, So the walkthrough because we played on
a Thursday night, so we didn't have practice.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
I didn't have any practice that week because it's just
walk throughs.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Well had no he does.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
He does the hotel like walk through and he's soaked
because he's like running routes in the ball like but.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Nobody else.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
And Tom always had like a little lacrosseball and he
would bounce it to you to like show you. And
Julian is literally like you could see everything like he
was just drenched, and I remember the other guys were
like looking at him, like what is going on with
this guy. I'm like, yeah, he's a little he's he's
obsessive compulsive right now. I think he needs to play
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a game, is what I need? Dot up a wheel
for you in the first possession, hey walk through. So
so anyway, the Philly So the Philly game was the
second throw that night in the hotel. The night before
the game, we go walk through it, Tom dribbled bounce
to the ball to Julian. Julian gets the ball and
then he looks, he looks and throws it to phil
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Bill just wandering up the field trying to get at
the defense to come this way, and Philly catches it.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
And I look at him and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You know, you can do that, just throw the ball over.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Throw the ball.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
And I think we actually did it again, just so
he so he would like, do it right, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
And then we get in the.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
Game and he gets the ball and he looks down
the field and Philly's open, and then he lets it
go and I'm just like and then he caught it,
and I'm like, I don't know. Those are the ones
that's coaches where you're just like, that's a hell of
a play.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Figures.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
If I would have flip my hipsky was my face,
I would have got you got you did get I
got drilled.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
He got drilled, drilled.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
I come run off.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
When I come run off, You're fucking dangerous, dude, You
are dangerous.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You're dangerous.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
But that was all I remember, because you were the
only one that threw a touchdown past that game.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
So I remember like like and then he would come
in the next day and he would put ice. He
would have his shoulder wrapped in ice in the and
he would sit in the front, you know by but
like you I gotta you know, I always come in
like the last person to come in to wait.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
He would just be like, I'm like, coach, you got
the door.
Speaker 10 (20:56):
Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You got that.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
I said that.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
The trade staff called the ice fed in front of
everyone looking like you just threw a complete game shutout.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
Yeah, literally, like it's Randy Johnson after a nine inning.
Speaker 11 (21:10):
Oh my, I will say that pass your dangerous Maverick
moment in Philly.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Put jewels at five of six one hundred and forty
one yards and two tds as a passer.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
There you go.
Speaker 9 (21:21):
Was his reading had to be exceptional.
Speaker 11 (21:23):
That had to be amazing.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
We had the one in the Super Bowl to Dion
Oh man, he was close to it.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
He almost made that.
Speaker 10 (21:31):
He almost made that catch.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
That was it. I shouldn't have thrown it.
Speaker 10 (21:34):
That was nuts.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
What you mean was he open?
Speaker 6 (21:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
He got him?
Speaker 8 (21:39):
It was like, just buy him. The guy did a
good job of peeling on it. Yeah, but the rest
of the defense was over there.
Speaker 10 (21:45):
That game was a blur point three.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's that's perfect.
Speaker 10 (21:50):
Perfect, that's perfect.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Someone say, that's pretty good. Bone said.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
The loudest I've ever heard that stadium was when you
threw the double pass and scored that. I've never heard
that stadium. That stadium has been loud a number of times. Yeah,
in our lives. Yeah, that was the loudest noise that
I personally had heard, like because it was almost like,
you know, like we we came back once, then we're
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down two touches and so they're like, oh no, not again.
Then we come back again, and and to do it
that way with you hitting dance. I mean, that was
as noisy as I think I can ever remember.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
That was.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That was a fun that was a fun play, but
it wasn't over so well.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
Before we do that, we let we have players on.
Speaker 12 (22:32):
We like to walk through like a specific moment, jenneral
from the big Game. We've heard Jules's perspective, We've heard
Danny mcdola's perspective of that play. I love to hear
your like, beat by beat perspective of that double pass play.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
So down seven, then they punted, got the ball back.
I remember it was ready and I had already checked
with Bill, you know, like we're good. He goes whenever
you know, whatever you want to do it, I'm good,
and you know, because I always felt like whenever you're
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running something, it's a little bit screwy, you know, just
you better check with your big boss and make sure
that you're you're not doing it. And he doesn't want
you to like fake punts, and you know, so he
was he already signed off whenever you want to do it,
and I just didn't feel right about doing it, not
like I wanted to get a first down and then
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do it.
Speaker 10 (23:25):
Yeah, I didn't want to do it like the first
play of the drive.
Speaker 8 (23:28):
I didn't want to do it on second and eight,
like after the first play of the drive. I wanted to, like,
can we get a first down and then once we
get the first down, let's try it, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 10 (23:38):
And so we did.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
We got a first down, and then I think it
was right around midfield and it was kind of the
right time to do it, and Dean acquiesced.
Speaker 10 (23:48):
He brought the star blitz off the side that we
threw the ball to.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
He gave us We didn't know we were going to
get that, but it made the play better because we
only had one guy out there that we needed to
block and it wasn't too and so was that gronk
out there? I think it was gronk out there. And
then Danny did a good job of hesitating and going by.
But you know, after I asked him if he needed
any lead time, he said no, Bill had already you know,
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signed off on the whole thing, and I just really
wanted to get a first down, so it wasn't so
like almost like desperate, like we got to try this
right off the bat, you.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
I wanted to, yeah, get a little get a little
bit of a momentum going in the drive and then
give ourselves a chance to see if we could hit it.
Speaker 9 (24:33):
So and it was perfect because it was on our sideline.
I love doing those things when they're on your sideline.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So when you're seeing when I'm going over emotion, what's
going through your mind?
Speaker 10 (24:43):
It's not man.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
And then when I saw the guy start to creep
in and he was gonna blitz, I'm like, I don't know,
we couldn't have drawn up a better like them, playing
a better defense for the play. It was really just
gonna matter whether the corner bit it or he didn't,
and you know, Danny did a good job of bluffing
it and then went by.
Speaker 12 (25:06):
You mentioned, you know, want to do a play like
that after first down and doing it on your own sideline?
Speaker 10 (25:11):
These little details?
Speaker 11 (25:12):
Is that like the factor room with your play calling?
Is that innate?
Speaker 10 (25:15):
Is that something with reps?
Speaker 12 (25:17):
Like where do you pick up those little details when
it comes into your crafts of play call?
Speaker 8 (25:21):
I think it's just probably experience, you know. I don't
like I think when you're coming off the sideline and
like the defense is kind of ready for almost anything,
you know, Like, I don't think that's a great time
to like spring your craziest play on them all the time.
I think it's almost like you run a play, you
run a second play. Oh you got a first down.
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So they're kind of like, all right, they're just driving
the ball. They're just trying to do the same stuff
they've been doing, you know, throwing the ball here, dink
and dunk, which is what I wanted them to be thinking.
And they got So we get a first down and
we're into a drive. The defensive coordinator he knows we're
not going fast. He's into his drive now, you know
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what I mean, meaning meaning Deans. You know, you kind
of get into a rhythm of the drive itself.
Speaker 10 (26:11):
Each drive is.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
Different, and so we first down, play huddle, second down,
play first down, go back to the huddle, you know
what I mean. So now Dean's in his rhythm too,
and so again the it just I thought that was
a better way to do it, honestly, then go out.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
There and be desperate and try to hurry up and
get to it.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And you know, people don't realize these you know, I
don't know how it's in other places, but here's a
department that studies and gives everyone around the league what
they're doing to our coaches, and they look at it.
These guys study it so that you know, you could
always see when it's the best opportunity. He's probably seen
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this situation go down. May not be this specific trick play,
but a different trick play that you know, a team
off of.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
You know, a big play makes another big play.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Feels desperate, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
So these guys they're always watching the game, and that's
how they get their experiences, not only through coaching it,
but watching other coaches. The great coaches will use their
experiences and implicate it into their own.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
And I've made I've I've called enough plays and made
enough mistakes when I was younger, you know, to like,
all right, well that sucked, you know what I mean,
Like that totally wasn't the right time to do that,
you know, and you just I think learning through your
failings as you're going is a helpful thing. So you
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have a little bit of wisdom, you know, after you've
put enough pelts on the wall, you know where now
you kind of know, like that's I remember not to
do that because of this game.
Speaker 10 (27:48):
And I tried it and it backfired, you know.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
And the other thing I would say about this is,
and you would attest to this, we practiced those things,
and we didn't act like they were like so special
that it was like impossible for us to succeed at him.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
I treated those.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Things like almost like a play action passed, like a
flea flicker or a double Like if you rep it enough,
what's the difference.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Like other than the ball handling?
Speaker 8 (28:15):
And yeah, but I've trusted you enough and we repped
it enough where I was like, I didn't call it
and go like this, like, what's gonna happen? I called
it going as long as the defense is gonna give
it to us. I've seen us execute this many times.
Look at he's got this smile, like, yeah, tell him
how many times I hit it in practice?
Speaker 6 (28:35):
I think I overthrew him three or four times.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Next, Max Crosby on one of the strangest coaching decisions
in NFL history.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
You know, boy genius, Brandon Stay called the time out.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I didn't know if you I didn't know if you
guys were gonna go and you know, maybe let that
thing right out.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
But what did you guys? Were you guys gonna let
it ride out?
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Fuck no? And I didn't even hear about this. Oh yeah,
they were thinking about doing a time until after the
game because we were in a position where, you know,
we were close in field goal range. But if something
fucking tragic happened they block it or something, we could
lose the whole year. But I remember Rich on the sideline,
he was, you know, going back and forth, what do
we do here? And He's like, fuck it, just run
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this run this power one more time or whatever their
play was, and Josh broke loose and got like twelve
to fifteen yards and boom, now we're in field goal range.
So honestly, it was a fuck you to the Chargers
because they called the timeout and we were thinking about
doing the tie, like taking a knee and I, fuck it,
we're gonna make the playoffs whatever, but they called the
timeout and we just said, fuck it, we're running another
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play and we got the first.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Down, and what do you think they were thinking.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
I don't know, I don't know. I mean they're going.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
To try to get it back and have a plus
fifty punt and then like try to drive it down
with like three.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
It made no sense, not one bit of sense.
Speaker 11 (29:52):
And Staley said, we didn't have our right defense in there.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
He's got all the answers, a CODEC timeout, a timeout,
you got any You got.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Any stately stories.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Stately stories. I don't have any personal up close you know,
anything like that. But I just know playing the Chargers
the last couple of years, I mean you expect just
the craziest shit. I mean, even in that game, it
was like the first or second quarter and they went
for it on their own eighteen and like we're like
what the fuck? Like we were sitting there like they're
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not punting the ball. We're like, okay, I don't know
what they're doing. Like, there's a time and place. I
understand aggression and okay the analytics, but there's a time
and place. I mean, biggest game of the year. You
can't be going for it on fourth and eighteen or
fourth down on your own eighteen. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And then and then the next year, you know, they
kind of change, They try to change, you know, you
know what I mean they were doing.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
We weren't doing it as much.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I mean, it's it's honestly crazy to me that he
called the timeout.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
It's wild why people were talking about that all week
and it almost fucking happened. That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
I remember that.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
But actually, and then all of a sudden, we're sitting
there were like, Okay, what the fuck this actually might
happen right now, And that would have been worse. Yeah, scripted,
but that would have been worse. Fuck that I'd rather
lose than both of us. Fuck that, send them home
with you. That's when I heard that we were potentially
I'm like, what fuck that? You die on your sword,
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you go all in. We're gonna either win or we're losing.
The ship. We're not both going We're not sending them
on you know what I mean, give them a handout
like I were taking a knee. You send those fuckers.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Defensive side of the bench. You guys are chilling there,
well offenses out there. What do you guys? You guys
are all talking. Are we gonna score? What did you
guys know?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
The planned We.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
Had no doubts that we're going to try to win
the game. We had no idea that that was even
a thing. So yeah, and our heads were like, I mean,
we just need to get a field goal, right, We're
that close, We're right there. So we're like, I mean,
we had no idea, so it just seemed normal. Boom
Carlson went, kicked the field go. And then after the
facts we end up finding out that all this controversy
and they were taking me and shit, and we're like, what.
Speaker 11 (32:06):
The fuck now?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Ty Law on his Super Bowl pick six, But can.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
You walk us through beat for beat the pick six?
Speaker 10 (32:14):
He's an easy one.
Speaker 13 (32:16):
That was one of the easiest, you know, you know picks,
Like because I always give credit to Rabel, you know, Rabel,
you know made him Aaron Thow. It was one of
those things where you know, he did the same thing
that Indy used to do and start putting Marvin in motion.
So they put Isaac in motion so I couldn't get
him at the line of scrimmage, and it was one
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of those places you had to back off, you going
to motion and you just seen it you're coming. Rabel
got through so clean that okay, now I'm just reading him.
And then it was an Aaron throw. So I said,
I'm gonna be Hesitan case Isaac because he had an
Isaac can route. He would rap the hell out of you.
So it's like, okay, you're playing for the double move.
It might be because I didn't know because he wasn't
going in motion like that until then, so I.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Was kind of trying to feel it out. So what
type of.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Games gonna be?
Speaker 13 (33:00):
And Rabel came in there and he wind back to thought.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I'm like, you bullshit, he dude, come.
Speaker 13 (33:06):
On, man, come on, Kirk, you know what I mean.
And it was coming like it was slow motion. I
was like, oh, this is the super Bowl. That's the
kind of shit you dropped because it's so easy.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
It's so easy, and you.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Would drop it.
Speaker 13 (33:19):
But you know, once I got it, man, all you
seen was flashes, and it was like everything would blank,
you know, and you know it's like you hear the
screens and it just went silent, and I'm running down
there and just flashes and knowing that this is it,
you know, in the super Bowl, and got that pick
and the rest. We rolled the hell out of it,
you know what I mean, We rode the hell out
of that thing.
Speaker 11 (33:37):
Man the hand that's just like I don't even know what.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
I was doing, you know, I just I just it's
super I just slew it up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 13 (33:46):
It's something that I've never done before in any of
my picks or my pick six. I didn't throw it up.
It was just something that just happened, and I threw
it up there and it's been the iconic picture ever since.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Next, we got Big Shot Bob Robert talking about his
game winning shot in Game five of the five NBA Finals.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
We're here to talk about one thing, and one thing.
Take us through the last shot, beat by beat.
Speaker 13 (34:09):
Well, you know we're sitting there. The play was actually
for minw Genobla. It wasn't for me. I was supposed
to endbound it Manu and then set a pick and
roll for so he can get to the rack. And
so I'm seeing him come off the pick from Tim
and I was like, Okay, the only past I can
do is to bounce pass, because that's the only I
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can get to a bounce pass. And bounce passes I hate,
but sometimes you have. And when I bounced it, Rashid
kind of looked at it like, oh, he's really close.
So he went for the trap, and so I just
stepped in and I was on fire, so I wasn't
going to try to put it on the floor to
create for anyone. So I took the shot and and
after I was watching it, I didn't realize Tayshaun Prince,
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one of the best defensive players in the game. He
almost blocked the shot. But when you so focused on
your shot, you don't even see him. And then next
thing you know, it rattles in and we go up,
We go up, and we win this game.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Man.
Speaker 13 (35:08):
You know, it's just you know, you know, I noticing
the clip earlier that you had you showed Eminem up
there and I never talked trash and Eminem was behind
the bench said you won't be getting number six to night, buddy,
And I looked at him, and so I started talking
trash to Eminem because I said, I said, after they
hit that first, I you in fucking trouble now, dog,
they better fuck get me, I said. On he just
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started smiling, right, He didn't say much. And then after
I did this dunk on rip, I looked at him like,
I told you, it's fucking over. So it was just
it was just one of those things. I never talked trash,
but when someone talks trash me and it's Eminem, you know,
one of the greatest rappers all the time. Yeah, and
so I had to talk trash back to her.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
Man. So moment we.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
Got to rename this game. Listen to Eminem game.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Eminem, thank you for talking Ship the Big Shot Bob,
because Zip made him talk himself into a moment.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
He talked himself into a moment.
Speaker 11 (36:05):
Twenty one points in the last seventeen minutes.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Twenty one points in the last seventeen.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 12 (36:16):
Remember to tune in every Tuesday for a brand new
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm Julie Edelman, and we got a brand new compilation
highlight reels starting now now.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Matt Patricia on Malcolm Butler's Super Bowl ceiling interception.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Can you walk us through the Malcolm Butler Yeah situation,
the interception in fourteen on the Super Bowl, that whole
sequence of plays and what do you got on that?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
So obviously you're talking about great games, and certainly the
eleven Baltimore team and the why and all of it.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
That's why I love that one.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
And obviously you so I thought that'd be a great one.
But you know these the fourteen game, the sixteen game,
you know, the Super Bowl. There's there's some crazy, crazy
stuff that just happened in those games. And the thing
about the fourteen Super Bowl with Seattle. So going back
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to around this time, really when I took over the
defense eleven and ten, Bill would come to me every
training camp and again in the Bible, I had all
the calls, and he'd be like, Hey, it's like we
really every training game, Hey, when are we putting goal
line three corner in? And I'd be like, yeah, like
we gotta get that in. We gotta get that I'm like,
we're never gonna run goal line three corner, like it's
eleven personnel, Like I'm not doing it, like they're gonna throw,
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like it's just the whole thing. So for years I
was like, yeah, it's going at like we never got
it in. So as soon as we win the championship
game and I'm like, I knew we were playing Seattle
and walked into the defensive staff from I go, you're
not gonna believe I'm about to say, and they're like what,
And I'm like, we got to put goal line three
corner in And I'm like, what are you talking about.
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I'm like, we're gonna need this call in this game.
I'm just telling you, like, we can't. We can't go
eleven personnel and not have as much mass on the field.
I'm like, we got to figure this out. So I
knew like that Monday and everyone was like, there's no
way you're gonna call this, and I'm like, I'm just
telling you we're gonna need this call, so start drawing
it up going through the car.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I think you need the call because I.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Knew that no one need see it. We hadn't run it.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
We hadn't run this call, might need that call.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Just eleven personnel inside the three yard line trying to
be able to stop Lynch the quarterback run game, the
receivers that are on the field if you were going
to go sub defense on the two yard line, Like.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Just too much space, there's just too much space. Like
he's just he's too good.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Remember, like I played Lynch for a lot of years
when he was at Buffalo, Like my happiest day when
Buffalo sent him Seattle. I was like thank like send
flowers to Buffalo, like you get him out because this
guy is unstoppable.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I'm like that guy was so good.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So good.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
So we I just needed to have enough size to
stop the line of scrimmage from moving. And I couldn't
give up any space. And I also knew that no
one had seen it and it was going to be
one of those calls where I was gonna make them panic,
like they were gonna panic. I wasn't sure what they're
gonna do. We knew, you know, that they would have
a check, which they did. We knew we'd kind of
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get him into that throw the Rubb route, so we
get I draw it all up, I get it.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Ready to go. We go down.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I remember we practiced like three days before we leave,
and then we go and I kind of told everybody,
I'm like, look, we're gonna put this in as soon
as we get down there. But I wanted the week
to really work through all the problems, like that's just
kind of my problem solving. I wasn't gonna give it
to the guys and then change it. So we get
down to Arizona, and you know, I put it in
and I kind of had the guys in the right
spot that I thought.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
We practiced it.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Now, we ran that pick route, we ran it like
and of course, of course they're into the cards, but
like we that was like one of those cards like
we need to see this card, like this is this
is voices. We did, and the thing was everybody saw
it like it wasn't the same guy every time seeing it.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
We ran all the combinations.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
So we get into the game or we get we
get to the end of the week of practice and
I looked at it and I was like, I don't
there's something here. I don't really like I need to move,
you know. I switched Jamie, I switched him, I switched High.
I kind of moved somebody up and I kind of
switched it after we practiced it like the last day,
and we kind of just walked through it, and I
was like, all right, because it was really about stopping
the r It was going to stop the run, and
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really the combination with it to that side was the
snack m flat. I didn't worry about the other side
because we knew what that was so practice. It changed
it at the last minute and I was like, okay,
like it's ready, we're gonna I'm gonna need this. And
it's literally written, it's like three letters in the bottom
right hand corner of the call sheet.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
It's like the most tiniest call on the sheet.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
So beginning of the game, we had talked about how
tough this game was going to be. The first play
of the game is my favorite play of the game.
Like you watched the defensive guys because we knew their
offensive line looked to clean clean the pile. So as
soon as Lunch got the ball, they were coming to
take people out. And I was like, look, we're gonna
tagle this due in the first play of the game.
I'm like, but as soon as he's down, everybody else
go find someone, Go find someone, and go knock their
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heads off because they're not doing that to us. And
to the point of like one of my favorite compliments
of all time, and it was probably in the twelve
eer was Chris Berman, who's great guy, great friend, came
up to me and he goes, he said to me,
he goes, you have the best tackling corners in the NFL.
And I was like, if our corners tackled at a high level,
the whole team's going to tackle a high level. I
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just I took so much pride in that. So in
that first player of the Super Bowl and fourteen, we
tackle inch, everyone turns and looks and starts to take
dudes out, and like Revis is like taking He's going
to get like one of the biggest linemen. You know,
the tackles they had that's coming. It's I'm like, okay,
like we're on this right, Like we're we're coming. So
we get into the second half and you know, going
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into halftime, we were struggling with some coverage matches, right and.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
They scored right before half. I was I was hot,
it was hot.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
This was bad.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
There's a bad series of bad play. So I am literally,
you know, I'm I'm, I'm like, we're changing, like I'm
switching some guys up.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Malcolm is gonna come in the whole deal.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
So get into the second half and they have It
was kind of back and forth right like they were moving,
we were moving. It was like, you know, the defenses
in the Super Bowl get worn out. It's just what happens.
You know, if you can control it early, you have chance.
But you know, if you're playing like those games are long,
and if you're moving the ball ear in the first half,
the second half, you're worried about, you know, how well
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is the defense gonna hold up.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
It's gonna be, you know, be a shootout. So both
teams are moving the.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Ball and I was like, ah, man, this is this
is We got to get one stop in the red area,
will be okay. So it's a series going away from
you know, like the last play the game is the
left the series going to the right end zone and.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Third and two.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
So I call I call call one of our one
of the stackbacker left. So the idea of the call
was we're gonna walk up on the edge the defensive
end who's now in Ninkovic. He's gonna crash down hard
and he's gonna take out Lynch, and then the backer's
coming off for the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
So call stackbacker left third and two.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Rob goes in and nails Lynch and we stop them
on third and two. So I was like, we just
stopped him on a nickel defense really two yards giving
the ball.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Lynch like that's pretty So I'm.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Like, Okay, that's gonna change what they're gonna that's gonna
change what they're doing right now. So we get the
last drive they hit. You know, they're coming down hit
the big play down the far sideline. It's on the
opposite side the rule chain, you know. Doron jumps over
the pile, it falls, he catches it. Now again, I'm
sitting here twenty fourteen, seven years later in the same
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stadium in the Super Bowl where David Tyree, when I
coached in college, who was a special team didn't catch
anything in college, catches this thing right, and I'm like,
holyf did that just happen again?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I was like, I was a.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I was on the scene.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
We're talking about the scene where he tipped it and
curse ended up Malcolm.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Malcolm's great, there's a great play.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
That Malcolm makes on a third down earlier, where he
goes up and through the pocket and then rips the
near hand and gets the ball out there. There's a
big play in that game earlier to kind of get
him off the field to get the ball back to
the offense. But so now they line up on him.
I click into High. I'm like, they're going to run it,
man like. And now I'm looking at High's got one arm.
I'm like, they're gonna run it. We were stuck in
the defense and he makes it. That's an unbelievable tackle.
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Unbelievablet tackle. One of them hits him down. So now
the clock is moving, so I know the situation and
so this, I mean, it's one of those moments where
really like the like life slowed down for me. But
I don't know exactly how long the seconds were, but
for me, it felt like a half hour. So I
know the call I want to make. I'm hearing eleven
personnel going in the game, and I slide over next
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to Bill because I didn't I wasn't gonna put it
out there and let them call time out. I didn't
want them to see no one had seen this. And
then so I slided it next to Bill and I
was like, hey, I'm like, are you calling the timeout?
And he's staring. He's just staring across the field and
I'm like, Bill, I'm like, are you calling the time out?
And he's not saying anything to me. And I was like, hey,
I go, I need to know because I'm not putting
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this out there. Are you calling the time out? And
he's like, yeah, just make your call. And I was
like okay, so I click out. I'm like, hey, go
line three, corner.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Get it out.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Make sure we got Malcolm. So like they're all I'm
down with Bill. Everyone's outs down on the sideline, so
flow at her flow. He's like, he's like screaming because
we had changed the coverages. So like later, you know,
I'm talking to Bill and I was like, what were
you watching. He's like, well, I was watching Pete. He's like,
and I'm watching their offense trying to figure out like
they put the personnel?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Could they sub He's watching and.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Then once we put goal line, he knew we subbed
it so late they weren't gonna be able to change.
They were going to go to the check so we
were just waiting it out to see who could get
it out there last. And I was like, cause the
Hemlic communication shuts off, so they weren't gonna be able
to check the play to Russ. So we get goal lines,
so they just see gold line. We're sitting on goal line,
so they goal line is going out well automatically to them,
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They're like, all right, well we're gonna throw it.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Well, I have like six thousand pounds of flesh like
sitting there.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I have like Chandler Jones, Dante high Tower, Jamie Collins, Branch, Vince.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
This is like a a eighteen wheeler out there, Like.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
You know, I understand, like just give the ball to Lynch,
but like we had just stopped him on Like these
are like some of the best players in the.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
NFL right there.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Yeah, So I was like, they're gonna panic, They're gonna
throw it. I was worried about the snacks of them
flat so that was built. So I watched them build.
So I'm watching my end. I'm watching the left side,
and I'm like watching them build. They bring the receiver over.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I think you think that the rub was is all good.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I just we're good on the rub, Like they're gonna
go to the snack seven flat the guy to have
a play to the other side. They're gonna pick the linebacker.
So I'm like, so I'm on with high. I got hey,
make sure you don't get picked here. I'm like, Lynch
is going to you know this is gonna be snacks
him flat to your to your side. So I'm watching
the left side of the offensive, right side of the defense,
and all snapped and I look and it snags of
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them flat and we get picked. Chandler's peeling late because
he had the peel call he had from the high tigh.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I'm like, give Chan the call.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
So Chan's peeling late, but if it was good throw,
I was like, this is going to be a touchdown.
And I look and I'm like and then they picked
the linebacker. So I'm on the headset and I'm like,
all right, here we go. I'm like, all right, it's
not the run. I'm like, yeah, we're gonna get the
snack seven flat. I'm like, oh my god, they picked him.
And then everyone starts screaming. They're like, no, he picked it,
and I'm like, who picked what? I didn't eve see
the play. I didn't even see the player on the
other side. I was so worried because the guy's opened
and the flat so everyone's going crazy and I'm like what,
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I don't even know. I'm like, what happened? Obviously, the
best part of the story is Browner, who I love.
Browner is the one who we're going in half. He's like,
Browner knew that personnel so good. He's like, put me here,
put them there, put them there, right, So it'd be
a good coach. The best thing you can do is
just listen to your best player, listen to your smart players.
So that was the matchups that we did. But when
they built the stack, you know, Browner looks at Malcolm
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and goes, listen, I'm gonna choke the shit out of him.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You just go.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
And if you watch the play, Browner's he's literally got
his hands around his neck. Yeah, and he's and he's
and then Malcolm just goes. So I didn't see any
of that. I'm like, we got picked everyone, and everyone's like, no,
you picked it. I'm like, who, I didn't even know
we had the ball. So that was like chaos is
going on. So now again I'm nervous because I'm looking
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at the clock.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I'm like Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I'm like where the balls like on the inch line here,
like there's right. So I'm like, they're gonna get the
ball back, there's up. I'm going through situational plays. No
one wants to listen to me because I'm like, what
are we gonna do? What are we putting out there?
Because I'm panicked, like we're gonna be back on the
field and obviously, you know, we get the thing and
the games end, and to turn around and Revis is
running at me and he jumps and I like catch him,
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like do you know he's so he's his little this
is what he was so good, he was so strong,
so he bent.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
He cracks my back.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
So the end of Super Bowl, I cracked my back
like in the celebration because he jumps up on me.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I didn't care, Like who cares? Who cares?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Right, it doesn't matter, you know, stev b is running
around me like like he like everybody's freaking out.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
It was like amazing.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Malcolm still crying and it was like, yeah, it was
like total chaos and my best my best play. If
you watch, if you watch the coaches copy of that tape,
if you watch the end zone copy, because again, we
had the extended end zone because we watched the celebration
and all that stuff in the back of the end
zone is the Seattle mascot. It's my favorite thing in
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the whole world. He's standing there and you can see
him as as right before the snap. You can see
him like you can just see like you know.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
His his face. His expression is the change you seem.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Okay, back the hands, think Lynch, we're about to like
score here we and they snapped the ball and you
see him freeze and then the ball's picked and he
just takes his hands and he puts his hand on
the front of his beak and he stands there like
and he doesn't move and you could just see him like,
what the hell just happened. It's the funniest ship ever.
I'm just telling you. It's hysterical. And he doesn't move
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like there's chaos going He doesn't move for like five minutes.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
He's just standing there. It's amazing. But you know what's crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That's not the first time a coach has has pointed out, Ah.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
We watched the stands all the time because they watched
so much film.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
So they sit there chatty l would come in there like.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Beer on.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
This guy this my favorite.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Every year I would watch this dude.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Every year. There's a guy in Buffalo and every scoreboard
he sits in the right corner of the stadium and
it would be the middle of December. He's got no
shirt on, he's got a big beer belly, and he
looks kind of like, you know, he's got long gray hair.
So I'm like, and he's every year he there and
I always check. I'm like, he's still there, and no,
sure it's middle you know. Or the in New Orleans
where the scoreboard there'd always be a crew that and
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Halloween would dress in costumes instead above the score so
you just you just you look always but the mascot
in the end zone of that thing. It's really we
had an extension. It's one of the most amazing things.
But that was that play, how that was put together,
the game, the halftime, the fact that it was like,
I can't believe we're going to install this. This is
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like six years he'd been asking. I'm like, nope, here
it does we need it?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
We got it.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
We're gonna have it right now and put that in
a week and have that thing go out.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Wash that was crazy.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
And honestly, that whole defensive year like give that like
Vince wilf work and I sat down because you know,
look he wanted to win again like he was and
he was unbelievable. Man. His leadership is guidance of like, hey,
let's do this, like we you know, give the defensive
guys a book. We read, you know, Legacy the All Blacks,
and we put all our words together and just kind
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of like all the way through the season, you know,
the night before the Super Bowl I kind of read
it to the defense again and like, hey, this is
what we said we're gonna do. And you know, when
you win the Super Bowl, yeah, I think that was
the year. I kind of told him, like the trophy,
you know what it's like to hold the trophy, you know,
and it's it's heavy at the top, and it was
kind of like the thing the story, and I explained
to him how you know, and when we won and
you know four and being able to hold the trophy
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and what that's like and just all of that expression
into and Vince leading the charge and then you know,
we tell him like you win a super Bowl, like
you're bonded for life, like You're bonded for life, Like
it doesn't matter where you are when it is. Anybody
on those teams call you are bonded for life. I
have a great picture of you. I was actually looking
at the other day. It's you and Rob and Chan
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after the White House. You guys are walking down the
side of the bus. It's just the three of you,
and I just snapped it, you know. I mean, I
think you got a lip her out to here.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
And like, you know, like the whole deal.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
We've just been in the way and it's like it's
the coolest shit ever. Yeah, you know, But that that
play the.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Time, it was just one of those moments in life
where just time stopped.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, and I just like, here we go.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
We're gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna do this. It's gonna
be crazy.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Next up, Josh McDaniels breaks down both of Julian's career
touchdown passes.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
After we scored that touchdown, I remember, that's that's when
you came up to me.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
I did.
Speaker 8 (16:15):
I said, do you need any lead time for the
double pass? And you and you said what? And I said,
do I have to tell you that it's coming? Meaning
like you need to take your red gloves off or whatever,
you know exact we're cutters or whatever they are, Like,
what do you do? Do I need to tell you
that this is coming, like fuck five minutes in advance.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
You're like, no, no, no, yeah, that's what you said.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Just throw it, just call it whenever you want. I'm like, okay,
you know, so we so we did. Yeah, that was
the the first touchdown was the one we actually did
the Raven Baltimore formation the first time. First time, we're
down by fourteen, and then when we scored one, that's
when we went with the double pass.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
A double pass. Speaking of double pass, which we.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Had actually called earlier in the season against the Chiefs.
Against the Chiefs, right, just didn't we just didn't throw
it over there. We called it, and you know it
was Dola gonna throw it. Wasn't it was it you
or Dola.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
I don't remember.
Speaker 10 (17:08):
I watched this morning. It was gonna be you.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
But Dola was like saying he was playing a man coverage,
like we couldn't do it.
Speaker 10 (17:15):
Was trying to call you off when you were in motion.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah. Can we go into the second time I threw
the football.
Speaker 11 (17:22):
Twenty nineteen in Philly, Philly.
Speaker 10 (17:24):
Yeah, we can do that. It was a great story.
Juice's story, his side.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Love to hear your side. I don't know if my
memories really fucked.
Speaker 10 (17:34):
Up the night before the game. This is the story.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Yeah, so we well this wasn't the same play. No,
it's a different play. Throw it here, throw it back
and set up the catch and run.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
And in the we we.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
Always did like a little ballroom, which always felt like
you guys loved that.
Speaker 10 (17:55):
I loved it.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Reiterate.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
It was almost like a very comforting feeling when you
walked out of there, like we all study.
Speaker 10 (18:00):
We all got it.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Yeah, we all got it. And it was loose and
and so.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
But it wasn't always loose depending on like the games.
Sometimes we go in there running hard and stuff.
Speaker 8 (18:08):
I no, but that was that was But I don't
think we ever went in there like. It wasn't like
a big like it wasn't like a big like teaching
session at all. It was I would I would call
the play, you guys would get on with you would
do it and walk through it, and that was it.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But if you had like a new player coming in
that had a big role, that was different, you know,
like if he was nervous and we were all.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Kind of watching them too as well.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
And Julian Julian, well, I'll tell him to tell two
stories quickly. The when he came back in two thousand eighteen,
eighteen eighteen. Okay, So the walkthrough because we played on
a Thursday night, so we didn't have practice.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
I didn't have any practice that week because it's just
walk throughs.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Well had no he does.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
He does the hotel like walk through and he's soaked
because he's like running routes in the ball like but.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Nobody else.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
And Tom always had like a little lacrosseball and he
would bounce it to you to like show you. And
Julian is literally like you could see everything like he
was just drenched, and I remember the other guys were
like looking at him, like what is going on with
this guy. I'm like, yeah, he's a little he's he's
obsessive compulsive right now. I think he needs to play
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a game, is what I need? Dot up a wheel
for you in the first possession, hey walk through. So
so anyway, the Philly So the Philly game was the
second throw that night in the hotel. The night before
the game, we go walk through it, Tom dribbled bounce
to the ball to Julian. Julian gets the ball and
then he looks, he looks and throws it to phil
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Bill just wandering up the field trying to get at
the defense to come this way, and Philly catches it.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
And I look at him and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You know, you can do that, just throw the ball over.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Throw the ball.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
And I think we actually did it again, just so
he so he would like, do it right, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
And then we get in the.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
Game and he gets the ball and he looks down
the field and Philly's open, and then he lets it
go and I'm just like and then he caught it,
and I'm like, I don't know. Those are the ones
that's coaches where you're just like, that's a hell of
a play.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Figures.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
If I would have flip my hipsky was my face,
I would have got you got you did get I
got drilled.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
He got drilled, drilled.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
I come run off.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
When I come run off, You're fucking dangerous, dude, You
are dangerous.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You're dangerous.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
But that was all I remember, because you were the
only one that threw a touchdown past that game.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
So I remember like like and then he would come
in the next day and he would put ice. He
would have his shoulder wrapped in ice in the and
he would sit in the front, you know by but
like you I gotta you know, I always come in
like the last person to come in to wait.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
He would just be like, I'm like, coach, you got
the door.
Speaker 10 (20:56):
Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You got that.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
I said that.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
The trade staff called the ice fed in front of
everyone looking like you just threw a complete game shutout.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
Yeah, literally, like it's Randy Johnson after a nine inning.
Speaker 11 (21:10):
Oh my, I will say that pass your dangerous Maverick
moment in Philly.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Put jewels at five of six one hundred and forty
one yards and two tds as a passer.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
There you go.
Speaker 9 (21:21):
Was his reading had to be exceptional.
Speaker 11 (21:23):
That had to be amazing.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
We had the one in the Super Bowl to Dion
Oh man, he was close to it.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
He almost made that.
Speaker 10 (21:31):
He almost made that catch.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
That was it. I shouldn't have thrown it.
Speaker 10 (21:34):
That was nuts.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
What you mean was he open?
Speaker 6 (21:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
He got him?
Speaker 8 (21:39):
It was like, just buy him. The guy did a
good job of peeling on it. Yeah, but the rest
of the defense was over there.
Speaker 10 (21:45):
That game was a blur point three.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's that's perfect.
Speaker 10 (21:50):
Perfect, that's perfect.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Someone say, that's pretty good. Bone said.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
The loudest I've ever heard that stadium was when you
threw the double pass and scored that. I've never heard
that stadium. That stadium has been loud a number of times. Yeah,
in our lives. Yeah, that was the loudest noise that
I personally had heard, like because it was almost like,
you know, like we we came back once, then we're
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down two touches and so they're like, oh no, not again.
Then we come back again, and and to do it
that way with you hitting dance. I mean, that was
as noisy as I think I can ever remember.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
That was.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That was a fun that was a fun play, but
it wasn't over so well.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
Before we do that, we let we have players on.
Speaker 12 (22:32):
We like to walk through like a specific moment, jenneral
from the big Game. We've heard Jules's perspective, We've heard
Danny mcdola's perspective of that play. I love to hear
your like, beat by beat perspective of that double pass play.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
So down seven, then they punted, got the ball back.
I remember it was ready and I had already checked
with Bill, you know, like we're good. He goes whenever
you know, whatever you want to do it, I'm good,
and you know, because I always felt like whenever you're
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running something, it's a little bit screwy, you know, just
you better check with your big boss and make sure
that you're you're not doing it. And he doesn't want
you to like fake punts, and you know, so he
was he already signed off whenever you want to do it,
and I just didn't feel right about doing it, not
like I wanted to get a first down and then
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do it.
Speaker 10 (23:25):
Yeah, I didn't want to do it like the first
play of the drive.
Speaker 8 (23:28):
I didn't want to do it on second and eight,
like after the first play of the drive. I wanted to, like,
can we get a first down and then once we
get the first down, let's try it, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 10 (23:38):
And so we did.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
We got a first down, and then I think it
was right around midfield and it was kind of the
right time to do it, and Dean acquiesced.
Speaker 10 (23:48):
He brought the star blitz off the side that we
threw the ball to.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
He gave us We didn't know we were going to
get that, but it made the play better because we
only had one guy out there that we needed to
block and it wasn't too and so was that gronk
out there? I think it was gronk out there. And
then Danny did a good job of hesitating and going by.
But you know, after I asked him if he needed
any lead time, he said no, Bill had already you know,
(24:16):
signed off on the whole thing, and I just really
wanted to get a first down, so it wasn't so
like almost like desperate, like we got to try this
right off the bat, you.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
I wanted to, yeah, get a little get a little
bit of a momentum going in the drive and then
give ourselves a chance to see if we could hit it.
Speaker 9 (24:33):
So and it was perfect because it was on our sideline.
I love doing those things when they're on your sideline.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So when you're seeing when I'm going over emotion, what's
going through your mind?
Speaker 10 (24:43):
It's not man.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
And then when I saw the guy start to creep
in and he was gonna blitz, I'm like, I don't know,
we couldn't have drawn up a better like them, playing
a better defense for the play. It was really just
gonna matter whether the corner bit it or he didn't,
and you know, Danny did a good job of bluffing
it and then went by.
Speaker 12 (25:06):
You mentioned, you know, want to do a play like
that after first down and doing it on your own sideline?
Speaker 10 (25:11):
These little details?
Speaker 11 (25:12):
Is that like the factor room with your play calling?
Is that innate?
Speaker 10 (25:15):
Is that something with reps?
Speaker 12 (25:17):
Like where do you pick up those little details when
it comes into your crafts of play call?
Speaker 8 (25:21):
I think it's just probably experience, you know. I don't
like I think when you're coming off the sideline and
like the defense is kind of ready for almost anything,
you know, Like, I don't think that's a great time
to like spring your craziest play on them all the time.
I think it's almost like you run a play, you
run a second play. Oh you got a first down.
(25:43):
So they're kind of like, all right, they're just driving
the ball. They're just trying to do the same stuff
they've been doing, you know, throwing the ball here, dink
and dunk, which is what I wanted them to be thinking.
And they got So we get a first down and
we're into a drive. The defensive coordinator he knows we're
not going fast. He's into his drive now, you know
(26:04):
what I mean, meaning meaning Deans. You know, you kind
of get into a rhythm of the drive itself.
Speaker 10 (26:11):
Each drive is.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
Different, and so we first down, play huddle, second down,
play first down, go back to the huddle, you know
what I mean. So now Dean's in his rhythm too,
and so again the it just I thought that was
a better way to do it, honestly, then go out.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
There and be desperate and try to hurry up and
get to it.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And you know, people don't realize these you know, I
don't know how it's in other places, but here's a
department that studies and gives everyone around the league what
they're doing to our coaches, and they look at it.
These guys study it so that you know, you could
always see when it's the best opportunity. He's probably seen
(26:53):
this situation go down. May not be this specific trick play,
but a different trick play that you know, a team
off of.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
You know, a big play makes another big play.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Feels desperate, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
So these guys they're always watching the game, and that's
how they get their experiences, not only through coaching it,
but watching other coaches. The great coaches will use their
experiences and implicate it into their own.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
And I've made I've I've called enough plays and made
enough mistakes when I was younger, you know, to like,
all right, well that sucked, you know what I mean,
Like that totally wasn't the right time to do that,
you know, and you just I think learning through your
failings as you're going is a helpful thing. So you
(27:39):
have a little bit of wisdom, you know, after you've
put enough pelts on the wall, you know where now
you kind of know, like that's I remember not to
do that because of this game.
Speaker 10 (27:48):
And I tried it and it backfired, you know.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
And the other thing I would say about this is,
and you would attest to this, we practiced those things,
and we didn't act like they were like so special
that it was like impossible for us to succeed at him.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
I treated those.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Things like almost like a play action passed, like a
flea flicker or a double Like if you rep it enough,
what's the difference.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Like other than the ball handling?
Speaker 8 (28:15):
And yeah, but I've trusted you enough and we repped
it enough where I was like, I didn't call it
and go like this, like, what's gonna happen? I called
it going as long as the defense is gonna give
it to us. I've seen us execute this many times.
Look at he's got this smile, like, yeah, tell him
how many times I hit it in practice?
Speaker 6 (28:35):
I think I overthrew him three or four times.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Next, Max Crosby on one of the strangest coaching decisions
in NFL history.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
You know, boy genius, Brandon Stay called the time out.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I didn't know if you I didn't know if you
guys were gonna go and you know, maybe let that
thing right out.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
But what did you guys? Were you guys gonna let
it ride out?
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Fuck no? And I didn't even hear about this. Oh yeah,
they were thinking about doing a time until after the
game because we were in a position where, you know,
we were close in field goal range. But if something
fucking tragic happened they block it or something, we could
lose the whole year. But I remember Rich on the sideline,
he was, you know, going back and forth, what do
we do here? And He's like, fuck it, just run
(29:16):
this run this power one more time or whatever their
play was, and Josh broke loose and got like twelve
to fifteen yards and boom, now we're in field goal range.
So honestly, it was a fuck you to the Chargers
because they called the timeout and we were thinking about
doing the tie, like taking a knee and I, fuck it,
we're gonna make the playoffs whatever, but they called the
timeout and we just said, fuck it, we're running another
(29:38):
play and we got the first.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Down, and what do you think they were thinking.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
I don't know, I don't know. I mean they're going.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
To try to get it back and have a plus
fifty punt and then like try to drive it down
with like three.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
It made no sense, not one bit of sense.
Speaker 11 (29:52):
And Staley said, we didn't have our right defense in there.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
He's got all the answers, a CODEC timeout, a timeout,
you got any You got.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Any stately stories.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Stately stories. I don't have any personal up close you know,
anything like that. But I just know playing the Chargers
the last couple of years, I mean you expect just
the craziest shit. I mean, even in that game, it
was like the first or second quarter and they went
for it on their own eighteen and like we're like
what the fuck? Like we were sitting there like they're
(30:25):
not punting the ball. We're like, okay, I don't know
what they're doing. Like, there's a time and place. I
understand aggression and okay the analytics, but there's a time
and place. I mean, biggest game of the year. You
can't be going for it on fourth and eighteen or
fourth down on your own eighteen. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And then and then the next year, you know, they
kind of change, They try to change, you know, you
know what I mean they were doing.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
We weren't doing it as much.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I mean, it's it's honestly crazy to me that he
called the timeout.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
It's wild why people were talking about that all week
and it almost fucking happened. That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
I remember that.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
But actually, and then all of a sudden, we're sitting
there were like, Okay, what the fuck this actually might
happen right now, And that would have been worse. Yeah, scripted,
but that would have been worse. Fuck that I'd rather
lose than both of us. Fuck that, send them home
with you. That's when I heard that we were potentially
I'm like, what fuck that? You die on your sword,
(31:20):
you go all in. We're gonna either win or we're losing.
The ship. We're not both going We're not sending them
on you know what I mean, give them a handout
like I were taking a knee. You send those fuckers.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Defensive side of the bench. You guys are chilling there,
well offenses out there. What do you guys? You guys
are all talking. Are we gonna score? What did you
guys know?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
The planned We.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
Had no doubts that we're going to try to win
the game. We had no idea that that was even
a thing. So yeah, and our heads were like, I mean,
we just need to get a field goal, right, We're
that close, We're right there. So we're like, I mean,
we had no idea, so it just seemed normal. Boom
Carlson went, kicked the field go. And then after the
facts we end up finding out that all this controversy
and they were taking me and shit, and we're like, what.
Speaker 11 (32:06):
The fuck now?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Ty Law on his Super Bowl pick six, But can.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
You walk us through beat for beat the pick six?
Speaker 10 (32:14):
He's an easy one.
Speaker 13 (32:16):
That was one of the easiest, you know, you know picks,
Like because I always give credit to Rabel, you know, Rabel,
you know made him Aaron Thow. It was one of
those things where you know, he did the same thing
that Indy used to do and start putting Marvin in motion.
So they put Isaac in motion so I couldn't get
him at the line of scrimmage, and it was one
(32:36):
of those places you had to back off, you going
to motion and you just seen it you're coming. Rabel
got through so clean that okay, now I'm just reading him.
And then it was an Aaron throw. So I said,
I'm gonna be Hesitan case Isaac because he had an
Isaac can route. He would rap the hell out of you.
So it's like, okay, you're playing for the double move.
It might be because I didn't know because he wasn't
going in motion like that until then, so I.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Was kind of trying to feel it out. So what
type of.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Games gonna be?
Speaker 13 (33:00):
And Rabel came in there and he wind back to thought.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I'm like, you bullshit, he dude, come.
Speaker 13 (33:06):
On, man, come on, Kirk, you know what I mean.
And it was coming like it was slow motion. I
was like, oh, this is the super Bowl. That's the
kind of shit you dropped because it's so easy.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
It's so easy, and you.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Would drop it.
Speaker 13 (33:19):
But you know, once I got it, man, all you
seen was flashes, and it was like everything would blank,
you know, and you know it's like you hear the
screens and it just went silent, and I'm running down
there and just flashes and knowing that this is it,
you know, in the super Bowl, and got that pick
and the rest. We rolled the hell out of it,
you know what I mean, We rode the hell out
of that thing.
Speaker 11 (33:37):
Man the hand that's just like I don't even know what.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
I was doing, you know, I just I just it's
super I just slew it up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 13 (33:46):
It's something that I've never done before in any of
my picks or my pick six. I didn't throw it up.
It was just something that just happened, and I threw
it up there and it's been the iconic picture ever since.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Next, we got Big Shot Bob Robert talking about his
game winning shot in Game five of the five NBA Finals.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
We're here to talk about one thing, and one thing.
Take us through the last shot, beat by beat.
Speaker 13 (34:09):
Well, you know we're sitting there. The play was actually
for minw Genobla. It wasn't for me. I was supposed
to endbound it Manu and then set a pick and
roll for so he can get to the rack. And
so I'm seeing him come off the pick from Tim
and I was like, Okay, the only past I can
do is to bounce pass, because that's the only I
(34:30):
can get to a bounce pass. And bounce passes I hate,
but sometimes you have. And when I bounced it, Rashid
kind of looked at it like, oh, he's really close.
So he went for the trap, and so I just
stepped in and I was on fire, so I wasn't
going to try to put it on the floor to
create for anyone. So I took the shot and and
after I was watching it, I didn't realize Tayshaun Prince,
(34:52):
one of the best defensive players in the game. He
almost blocked the shot. But when you so focused on
your shot, you don't even see him. And then next
thing you know, it rattles in and we go up,
We go up, and we win this game.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Man.
Speaker 13 (35:08):
You know, it's just you know, you know, I noticing
the clip earlier that you had you showed Eminem up
there and I never talked trash and Eminem was behind
the bench said you won't be getting number six to night, buddy,
And I looked at him, and so I started talking
trash to Eminem because I said, I said, after they
hit that first, I you in fucking trouble now, dog,
they better fuck get me, I said. On he just
(35:30):
started smiling, right, He didn't say much. And then after
I did this dunk on rip, I looked at him like,
I told you, it's fucking over. So it was just
it was just one of those things. I never talked trash,
but when someone talks trash me and it's Eminem, you know,
one of the greatest rappers all the time. Yeah, and
so I had to talk trash back to her.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
Man. So moment we.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
Got to rename this game. Listen to Eminem game.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Eminem, thank you for talking Ship the Big Shot Bob,
because Zip made him talk himself into a moment.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
He talked himself into a moment.
Speaker 11 (36:05):
Twenty one points in the last seventeen minutes.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Twenty one points in the last seventeen.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 12 (36:16):
Remember to tune in every Tuesday for a brand new
episode and every Sunday for another Games with names high
that year
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