August 3, 2025 • 30 mins
We're taking it back to the good ol days on the gridiron in this week's edition of Highlight Reels. From Terry Bradshaw to Bill Burr we've got some wild stories from football in the 1980s.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We're bringing you another compilation of some of my favorite
stories from.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Games with names. Let's go now Doug Flute on his
iconic hill Mary pass.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
When we got the ball, my mentality was, we've got
three or four plays here. Let's get the ball to midfield.
Just make sure we get the midfield. We take a
couple of shots. We had two timeouts. College football clock
stops after so we get a first down on the
first one on a seam route. We get a first
down on the second one out of bounds, and I'm like,
we're already cross midfield.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
We still got two.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Timeouts, so there's one play was an incompletion. I never
used the timeouts, you know, we still had two in
our pocket.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And are you calling timeouts? You dropping them?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I yeah, that's another thing we call them on the
on the field. But we were really good at two
minutes and call it college is they waste more time?
You know, look into the sideline getting the plane all that.
I mean, I was just calling my own plays. So
we get it.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We line up in a hurry.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I get to play called. I'm ready to snap the
ball before the official and then on the whistle, boom,
he snaps the ball.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
We didn't waste time.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
We made maybe lost a second and a half, you know,
but uh we were we were good at not wasted
time on our two minute and I didn't have to
use the timeouts.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So you didn't have to use the timeouts. And it
goes into the last play. Now, what's your mindset? Can
you take us beat for beat with that?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
My mindset is I was hoping to get a little closer.
Didn't happen in completion six seconds. Okay, it's time for
hill Mary. I'm getting in the huddle to call to
play and they're running a freshman on the field with
the play like I got a fifth It's like Sean
Sean Debrowski freshman Dumbo was his nickname they put they
want him on the field because he can jump. It's
(01:41):
not gonna be It's like you're a freshman sit out.
I'm waving him off the field because I want Troy Strafford.
He was a fifth year senior. I wanted Troy on
the field for the play and him be one of
the receivers. He was a running back, but I wanted
him in the mix. Uh, little that I know, Troy
had to pulled ham straight. He never gets down the
field on the play, so Troy starts to jog off
the field. I'm yelling at Troy to get his ass
(02:04):
back here, and Dumbo off the field. So the freshman doesn't.
He's like, I'm listening to Doug and I'm off the field.
Troy comes back to the huddle. The bench sends Sean Bag.
I'm like, no, sit down.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
So we get the play called.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
We go to the line of scrimmage and there's an
inverting whistle and a flag and there were the defenders
were on Girard and on Troy, leaving Calvin Martin, the
outside receiver, to be the free runner to get down
there first. And after the interverting whistle, we line up again.
Now I tell the tight end go down the backside,
and my philosophy is buy as much time as possible.
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Make it a jump ball, but back then everybody drop back,
throw it. The receivers are still trying to get there.
You got to you gotta buy time, your time. The
last second, the defender decides, you know what, this is
the guy with speed, I'm gonna go jam him and
walks off. Gerard goes to the outside defender, allowing Gerard
to be the first guy down now, Gerard.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
They did an iole on the replay. He looks like
he's running a five four forty.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I mean we're in a wet He's just chugging down
the field with his head down. And when I rolled right,
they all the defenders sat flat and let drgo right
by him. He's deeper than the deepest and turning around
and seeing the ball thrown. But then when I pulled up,
it's kind of like a javelin, you know, on the
move through it and got it there. I was gonna
look backside, but a linebacker was running at me, so
(03:23):
I didn't have time to look backside. I get outside,
I just let it launch to an area. I see
the two defenders go up and everybody just fall to
the ground, and there's a half second delay, and I
see an official's arms.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I'm like, you gotta be fuck.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I started laughing my ass off and started running towards
the pile, and I never got down there. There's a
great picture of Stee Tripillow.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
With me in his arms.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I guess I jumped in.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And there's a better picture that I love me and
my brother's arms from the back of him with Flutio
in his jersey with my arm in near too.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Here's Bears Negerian on the history of the Patriots Jets rivalry.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
To me, like, I think about this stuff, like the
history of rivalries, like I grew up in New York,
and like the Yankees and the Red Sox in the
old days, the seventies and the eighties when they're brawling
like legit brawls and games Thurman Muns and Carlton Fisk
and like Bruins Rangers fighting fans in the stands, Like
there was some serious rivalries going on. But this one
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took it like to a different level because it wasn't
as much on the field. It was like the off
the field stuff, the off field drama with coaches and
front office and players switching teams and the whole New
York Boston rivalry. And even at that time, and I
know this because I was one of them. I grew
up in New York, went to school in Boston College
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in Boston. There was a lot of that going on
in that eighties nineties, where there was an influx of
young people from New York going to college in Boston.
That brought a whole new kind of aspect to it
of the rivalry, and then this game was kind of
took it to the next level.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
It's it's like I was trying to think of any
like how to equate it to a modern sort of
rivalry and just can't. Like with the coaching changes of
the players, change of the back and forth, like like.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Andy Reid going to the Raiders, it's just keep right
and then.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Being messy on his way out the Chiefs. And then
the best player then Mahomes having I was just a
quick little This is one thing with Curtis Martin.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's on the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
It's like that had three years or two or three years,
you know, good play, very productive player, had some injuries.
You know, if there was a there was a contract
aspect going on where the Patriots going to sign them,
where they're not going to sign them. So Parcells loved
Curtis Martin from assignment the Patriots. So he signs Curtis
he was restricted free agent. He signs him to an
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offer sheet to come to the Jets. Okay, in this
offer sheet, it says that Curtis Martin has to be
the highest paid player on a team.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
I can't do this now.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
And the Patriots couldn't match that because Bloodsoe was there
and he was you know, the Patriots didn't have an
established quarterback. It was Neil O'Donnell. The old from the
old regeam is Glenn Foley Boston College.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So they could do that.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
That is since that's also one of the many rules
that have come up probably out of this rivalry as well,
is that that poison pill for in the contract. You
can't do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
So he went.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
So Curtis Martin ended up going to the to the Jets,
having a Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Jesus, that's that's just one thing.
Speaker 8 (06:36):
I mean, this game that we're covering is his highest rushing.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Touchdown, right, I think he had like seven carries on
the game when he drive in overtime in this game,
like the you know, the Patriots had a really good team.
Let's I'll give you one more. Who's on the sideline
in this game for the Patriots. Pete Carroll's the head coach.
Turned out to be quite a i mean higher then
and he's you know, National Championship of College super Bowl
(07:02):
on the end.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So a great coach.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
Who a few years before head coach.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Of the Jets for one year. They fired him after
one year. So Pete Carroll was the head coach of
the Jets. People don't really talk about that as much
in this game, but you know, there's another one.
Speaker 8 (07:15):
So I'd love your because I didn't realize that you
were in the Jets organization before Parcels came in. What
was the vibe, the buzz, what was going on from
the Jets perspective when Parcells started the remblings of potentially
joining the Jets while he was under contract with the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
From what I recall, it was, if you can get Parcels,
you get par sales. Now, remember the team is four
and twenty eight, so if it wasn't Parcels, it could
have been somebody else coming in, you know, as a
new head coach anyway. But if you get Parcels, that
instant credibility right away and whatever he wants he gets,
and he was gonna do and you're gonna get better.
(07:53):
Team was in the NFC Championship game the next year,
twelve and four season. But yeah, that game, the Patriots
were good, the Jets were not good, so the pressure
was all on the Patriots. You gotta win this game,
you can't let this guy leave the way he left
and come back. Week three, National TV, Patriots are two
and zero and win like that would have been disastrous.
(08:17):
So the Patriots had to win that game and barely did.
I mean they were a better team, but took a
lot of body blows on the way. It's like Rocky one,
Rocky Rocky won, Apollo wins, but a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Was that week of practice and prep. How was that
week in New York?
Speaker 5 (08:40):
In New York it wasn't nearly what it was I
think up here, because you like all the information was
there like a newspaper and you know, the radio, like
that was it. You could tell like up here it
meant everything down there was like the team's just kind
of getting started. Here try and try not to piss
him off. I personally, because I was into this stuff,
like I wanted to win. I wanted to win it
(09:01):
for him because I knew it was a big deal
for that. But within the team, I think they could
sense it. You know, once the busses are getting pelted,
like the Jets, busses didn't get pelted very much at
one in fifteen, Like one and fifteen, buses don't get pelted.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Now Bill Bird talks the greatness of Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 9 (09:20):
Did you see that recent one let Lawrence Taylor drove
by Giants Stadium. You saw the lights on him and
he's like, oh fuck, I have a game. Yeah, and
showed up in the first quarter.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
He showed up late. They benched him for a series
and then he went out and I think he had
like seven sacks.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
All right, I'm gonna tell a story.
Speaker 9 (09:35):
Okay, I don't feel like I'm talking out out of
school here, because this is this is uh, this is
a funny story. So I'm doing inside the NFL. Phil
Simms is on the show and Lawrence Taylor is coming in.
So it's Philed, Chris Collinsworth, Lawrence Taylor, and me. Right,
I mean one of those classic like what in the
(09:56):
hell am I doing here?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Right?
Speaker 9 (09:57):
So Lawrence hasn't showed up yet, So Phil tells me
a story. I can't believe Lawrence Taylor is going to
be here. I mean that guy was just like he
literally changed the game, and I was just going on
and on about him. He goes, you know what's funny
about that guy? He goes, he didn't even know the
names of the teams in the leagues. I go get
the fuck out of here. He goes, yeah, he goes.
One time, he goes, we were we won some game.
(10:19):
They were on the road, and they're on the team plane.
They're all hyped and Lawrence is psyched. And Phil goes, yeah,
hey man, you know, if the Redskins lose, then we're
going to be in first place in our division. And
Lawrence goes, uh oh, yeah, he goes. He goes, who's
in our division? And Phil goes, you don't know who's
in our division? And he goes, man, I don't give
a shit, right, And I'm thinking, like that is the
genius that he love him. Let's say, I don't need
(10:41):
extra information in my head. You have a different uniform
than me, I'm going to ruin your day. So I
thought it was a hilarious story. But as always, you know,
you think maybe he put a little mustard on it
or whatever. Ten minutes later, Lawrence Taylor comes walking in.
Him and Phil both just start laughing, which was great.
They just saw each other. They start laughing, hugged and everything.
You just know all the shit that they did back then.
(11:02):
Who knows, right, So Laurence sits down and he starts
telling stories. Right, they just start telling things and in
the middle of one story goes me, he goes, we
were down in UH, down in New Orleans. Then we
would play in the UH And he goes, Phil, what's
the name of that team in New Orleans? And he
goes to the Saints. He goes, you're play in the Saints.
It was unbelievable. And then fat sports writers would would
(11:24):
would say that, you know, they would say that he
wasn't smart, he was blah blah. It's like that's like
some Einstein shit. I'm wearing the same shit every day,
so my brain doesn't I only need to worry about
like you know, you hear all those stories how he
would sleep through meetings and then get up and diagram
the whole play or they would ask him if it
was okay.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
The guy is like a fucking divan genius. Genius.
Speaker 9 (11:44):
But the fact that he didn't even know, like the
fact that he's almost like a housewife in the level
that he doesn't know the names of the teams yet
he's the most alpha dominating player that I ever saw.
But you know why he seems like he fell out
of the sky is because his favorite player was Hollywood Henderson. Yeah,
(12:04):
and he was sort of he was like, Hollywood Henderson
was the gap as far as the linebacking position between
like you know, Dick Buckis in that era and him.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
He came and it looked like he was an alien.
Speaker 9 (12:16):
It was because unfortunately, Hollywood Henderson had like substance abuse
problems and it affected his career. But one of the
greatest play another underrated play nineteen seventy six. The Steelers
are playing the Cowboys and the Steelers kick off.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Guess who receives it. Hollywood Henderson.
Speaker 9 (12:35):
They had a linebacker receiving their kick in nineteen seventy six,
like that just didn't happen, and he took it all
the way down the field to like they're forty five
and Roy Jirella, their kicker, just sort of dove like
that and his linebacker knee hit his ribs, broke them, Yeah,
and fucked him up for the game. And it's a
really hard game to watch him you're a Cowboys fan,
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because they were running reverses, I think that's what it was.
A reverse on the on the on the kickoff, and
they were doing all of this shit and then they
got up and then they just sat on the ball
and the Steelers kept playing, and then they came back
and beat them.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Man, how does it feel to be that old to
remember a nineteen seventy six game that great?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
I watched it on YouTube. The first one I watched
was seventy eight.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
What's the first game you remember watching?
Speaker 9 (13:21):
You know some OJ Simpson was playing in like the
early seventies, and my Yeah, my dad's screaming at the
TV or something.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
My grandfather going, uh, you know, he's the old days.
Speaker 9 (13:33):
He's like packing a pipe to smoke it inside.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
The Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Next up, Ed O'Neil tells his wild story about getting
cut from the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 10 (13:45):
This was not too long after I got cut. Yeah,
so I was still following things pretty closely. And you know,
I knew all about Frank Ohrris and those guys because
they came a year after I got cut. And when
I got cut, I said, I got cut. I had
a cup of coffee with them. Basically, Yeah, that's about it.
But yeah, so I was still, you know, sitting in
the bar with my buddies watching these games. Yeah, and
(14:07):
glad I wasn't playing at that point.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, well you had to be vested because you got
drafted with me and Joe Green. You got drafted with
a lot of these pro football Hall of famers, and
so you got to enjoy. And it was Chuck noles
first year.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Right, it was Nole's first year, and so.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You got to you had his first training camp, and
you got to know these people. So you get vested
because you have relationships with these guys. Huh.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, I mean it was, uh, you know, it was.
Speaker 10 (14:34):
It was very intense. You know you've been to those camps.
I mean I didn't make a whole lot of friends.
It was a job, yes, but it was it was fun.
I actually enjoyed it. Yeah, as opposed to college. I mean,
you know, I don't know why you would think it
would be the opposite, but I actually enjoyed the training
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down there.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
You know what people don't realize because I was a
very similar situation.
Speaker 10 (15:00):
You.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You're a priority free agent, so they sined you exactly. Yeah.
I was a seventh round draft pick, which is the
last round of our draft, which some would argue it's
better to be a free agent because you get two
years contract instead of locking in for a third and
you're a quarterback. I was a quarterback. But the mental
aspect when you're on the team and there's ninety guys,
(15:22):
they got to cut it down to fifty three. And
you're sitting where you did you used to play the
numbers game, You're sitting in training camp. Well, they're going
to keep this guy. They're going to keep that guy.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (15:32):
I had a situation where, you know, I don't know
if yours was the same as ours, but ours the
Steelers they would put a board up and if your
name wasn't on it, you were cut. So it's kind
of a nice way to do it. You don't see
your name as this guy got cut. You know, people
don't know you. They don't even know you got cut.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And it's completely changed nowadays. Nowadays, you'll be sitting in
the locker room and they have this guy with everyone
calls the Turk. It's probably like, uh, he's like an
offensive assistant of assistant of another assistant. And he comes
up to your locker and he taps on your shoulder.
He says, hey, head coach wants to see you bring
your playbook.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Oh no, I had that.
Speaker 10 (16:10):
Oh see they went to they went through when it
started out, they had so many guys they cut the
way I just mentioned. But then if you got along
some then it turned into uh, oh, by the way,
uh coach snow would like to see you in his
office and bring your playbook.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
That's what happened to me.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Geez.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Yeah, So but then there you know how nice they
are to you when you're.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Going there, you know we're going a different route. You know,
you're just not well with me.
Speaker 10 (16:35):
It was, well, you never played outside linebacker and you're
trying to make the team and learn the position at
the same time.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
That's hard to do. I said, yeah.
Speaker 10 (16:44):
He said, well I think they I think. I think
I remember it as well. You can go to the
Eagles if you want to and have don't give you.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
A good look.
Speaker 10 (16:52):
We'll rent a car for you. You can drive down
the PA Pike. But I need to know right now.
And I don't know what happened to my thinking. It
was like, you're gonna what I want to drive a
car a Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
No, I said, I'm done, I'm finished. Thanks a lot.
Speaker 10 (17:09):
Wow, that was it, But I was getting sick of it,
to be honest with you, I played for two colleges.
I had some knee problems, and I just I don't
know what it was. I didn't even like coach as much,
you know, I got I didn't I like Noel. He
was well, I didn't get to know him much, but
he was a real gentleman, and I thought he was
a nice guy. He was, but I had coaches in college.
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I didn't like it all in high school too. I
had to start thinking maybe.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
It was my fault. It was to that point, gee,
I was finished. I said. He said, well, what are
you going to do? I said, I don't know, but
not this.
Speaker 10 (17:43):
And then I remember when I went to my back
to the dorm room. I had a you know, I
had a roommate. His name was Clarence Oliver San Diego State.
He made the team as a defensive back, and uh
he only played one year. I think he broke his back,
but he made it. But I went in and he
was like, what happened? What do you think?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
So I was backing up and the guy came in,
you know, they.
Speaker 10 (18:08):
Said, well, the car's out there. Where do you want
to go? And I said, Pittsburgh. I'm not from Pittsburgh,
and I but I knew a guy I knew a
friend in Pittsburgh. So I said, now I'm going to Pittsburgh,
and he says, okay, we'll drive you to Pittsburgh. You
know it's not too it's Latrobe.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yah.
Speaker 10 (18:24):
So he said, we'll swing by the stadium on the
way out because your cleats are there in the locker,
and we got a lot of swag for you. We
got great jerseys and T shirts and hats and shorts.
And I said, I don't want any of that shit.
He said, you don't want the it's good stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I don't want it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I'm going to wear it.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I'm not wearing it.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
I don't want the cleats either, I'm not going to
use them anymore. So he took me into Pittsburgh and
I had this rudimentary idea of where my friend lived.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
So I was trying. I didn't want to go home.
Speaker 10 (18:55):
Yeah, it was what it was. So I why didn't
you want to go home? You know, I mean, that
was all screwed up. I thought, I don't want to
go home and have to explain this. So I said
it was still in the summertime. So I directed them
up a street and I saw a bar. It was
a local bar with the door open the summertime. The
door's no air, you know, the door was open. I said,
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right here, my friend lives right around that bar. Just
drop me off here.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
You sure, you know?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
They kind of said, yeah, give me the bag audios.
Speaker 10 (19:26):
So I went in the bar and it was like
two o'clock in the afternoon, and there were like a
couple of you know, locals.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
It was a local joint.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Ye.
Speaker 10 (19:35):
So I walk in. I'm twenty three years old. They
don't know me. I'm a stranger in this neighborhood and.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
They're look, was this good?
Speaker 10 (19:42):
I order a beer and they got the TV up high,
you know, on the wall, and we're watching it, and
the the news comes on and they're showing Armstrong walking
on the moon.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (19:55):
That's when I got cut. And I'm thinking, well, if
somebody had a good day, he had the golf club right,
And I'm watching it, and then they went to the
sports and of course it's Pittsburgh. So they go linebacker
Ed O'Neill released today from the Steelers, and there's my
picture and these guys are in the in the bar
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and they look.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
They go, you're at O'Neill. Yeah, yeah, And they.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
Said your money's no good here now they're all buying
me drinks. I end up at three o'clock in the
morning and some some car with some girl with a
state hoopie pulling me over. You know, I don't even
know my name at this point. And the guy looks
in and I think I had my shirt off, and
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you know, that was almost naked. And I'm driving though,
and he says, you know, I had my drivers. He said,
did you get cut today from Pittsburgh? I said yep.
He said, miss can you drive? She said, yeah, he
just he's just driving around. Then he said, can you
drive this guy home? And she said, I'll take him.
(21:07):
He says he knows somebody and he's letting him go
because it was you.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Know, it was Pittsburgh, Pittsbury Steelers. They love them Steelers.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Even if you got cut, it doesn't make it.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
You're still part of the team. You're still part of
the team.
Speaker 10 (21:19):
Anyway.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
That's my I don't think i've told that story ever.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Next, Terry Bradshaw tells us about a crazy fight that
broke out at Steelers practice.
Speaker 11 (21:27):
Why in practice one day I threw a pass and
for some reason he man at John Cob or something.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
He came through and.
Speaker 11 (21:36):
He decked me, knocked me back over, ask kettle, helmet
flew off, practice practice, and then we practiced in full pash.
I found the football and I got off bom through it.
I've tried to kill him. Nobody chuck nole. He's probably
he didn't mind it. But I have to shit knocked
out of me. Boss pissed. He came over and I
(21:59):
said me something, mad Dog, you may lose with me,
but you never win without me.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
You got that.
Speaker 11 (22:08):
And I walked over a steaming I said, tik my
helmet off, y'all sit on your helmets and practice, and
we did. I said on my helmet, I'm over there
and none. I'm mad because nobody got in a fight.
Nobody fought for me.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Maybe that's it.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Nobody gave me shit. I don't know what.
Speaker 11 (22:25):
I'm over by myself. And here comes mad Dog. He
comes over and he kind of had that high pitch.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
What were that guy?
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Give me that saying?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
What was that saying?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 7 (22:38):
You know what that saying? You threw it about? What
you said?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
What what was that you said?
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Huh? And he had his tooth missing, and I said
I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
What you're talking you.
Speaker 11 (22:45):
You said, Tom Bob, we're gonna win, may lose, I said,
And I got to thinking, what did I say?
Speaker 7 (22:52):
And so he sat out.
Speaker 11 (22:53):
The next thing I know, it's like, hey, pull up
a chair, pull up a helmet.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
So we started going, okay, you not me down.
Speaker 11 (23:01):
I got pissed. I hit you with the football. You
came at me. I pointed at you.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
And what did I say?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
He said something about you're gonna win with me.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Said, oh no, no, no, you may.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
Lose with me. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna
lose with me.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
No, I'm not gonna lose with you.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
You may lose with me.
Speaker 11 (23:24):
Then what we said, and it took us thirty minutes,
but you'll never win with that, but that's it.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah, Oh I like that.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
I said, well, I like it too.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
That's an original.
Speaker 11 (23:37):
Yeah, And to this day that was always of course
he passed away. God bless Joe Green will say. Lon
Bamber said, you may lose with me, but you'll never
win without me. Now that kind of became the theme
of their defense. They used to use it all the time.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Next up, comedian Gary Goleman and Jeweles discussed the evolution
of the tight end position.
Speaker 12 (23:57):
He was a man a wonderful time end back when
they used to block a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah. Yeah, you know, I do Fox with Rob Gronk
and we'll sit and talk and I always pick his
brain whenever because we'll watch all the games together and
I have all the TVs. Yeah, sitting there, you got
Howie Long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, I'm sitting there and
I'm like, Yo, gron what do you think about this kid?
He's more of an H back? Do you think about
(24:23):
this guy? He's more of an H back? He really
thinks that the true tight end position. There's only like
two to five, two to three that are a traditional
tight end that could sit up on the end of
the line of scrimmage, a block of nine technique. Right, wow,
you know what I mean. There's not many guys that
do that. Yeah, a lot of these guys. It's become
a pass catching position. It's an extra wide receiver. Yeah,
(24:45):
you know what I mean. You get big totalivers and
then you're playing the personnel group game, and now they
don't have to block the ends anymore. They can get
up on you know, a smaller backer. Oh yeah, game.
It's completely changed.
Speaker 12 (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's so much faster it is, and get
over it sometimes.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Gary, How was how was your blocking when you play it? Awful?
Speaker 12 (25:04):
My blocking was My blocking was awful. My technique was
was awful. I relied on being able to jump very
high and I had good hands, but my blocking I
could never do. They used to call it a reach
block and that and that. Yeah, and that's a really
that's a really hard block. And also when I was
in high school, they didn't want you to use your hands.
They wanted you to block with your shoulder, so that, yes,
(25:24):
you seek the flippers, yes, so you wouldn't get called
for a holy call.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Now. Eric stone Street on Joe Montana's incredible last minute
drive to beat the Broncos Monday Night Show.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
It uh, it was everything it was built up to be.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Montana Lway combined for six hundred and fifty passing yards
five tds. It was a little slow starting out, nothing,
nothing after the first feeling each other out in mile high.
Then we get on the board fourteen fourteen and a half.
L Way is slinging one, Montana slinging one. They trade
TD passes in the third. Then it comes down to
the fourth minute. It's the same old story. L Way
(26:01):
does the drive. Ten men on the field, he runs
it in himself. They take the lead with a minute
twenty nine left. Now it's Joe Joe magic time.
Speaker 13 (26:12):
And it really when you watch that drive, it really is.
You know, people talk about Tom Brady with the ten
yard three yard, four yard dump off passes. I mean
he did just down, check, check down, check down the whole.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Field, and well, so interesting. I'm rewatching it the other day.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
You see guys in this situation today, it's it's from
the shotgun, empty backfield, spread them out back. Then Joe's
under center every single Yeah, with two tight ends. They
got a minute twenty nine left, two timeouts, and he's
still marching down the field under center.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I love it. You look at the Chiefs now with
this year. Yep, you know they've been a lot more
under the center. Yeah, because you know, you got you
gotta incorporate that run game, helping the tackles out of
little bills. You know, it's it's a big thing, and
there's something to be said like when people say, oh,
it's a Deanc dunk this that to have the discipline
(27:00):
as a quarterback to not take the food's goal because
there's there's spots where it opened up and it closes quick.
And to be able to not make a mistake in
a high pressure situation and take what the defense gives you.
It seems easy for the regular person, but it's so
hard because you feel that pressure, you feel the time,
(27:21):
you feel where you are in the game, and and
you know that that's why you like Patrick Mahomes. This
year he's been like that. He hasn't turned the ball
over in six goddamn playoff games and it hasn't been
razzle dazzle, but he's had the humility and he's had
that kind of confidence to like, know what his team is.
(27:42):
No that we have a really good defense right now,
we know, you know, defenses are playing us probably a
little different. We don't have what we had on in
the past on the outside. And and to just take
what the defense gives you is that's a skill, you know.
And yeah, it's just but there's gonna be that one
time where you hit that check down, you hit that
(28:05):
option route, option route. There's gonna be that one time
where you have to put that that fourteen yard in
cut in there, you know, and that's what these guys do. Yeah,
and that's what you saw with you know, Joe Montana,
and that's what you saw a lot with Tom Brady,
and that's what you're seeing right now with Patrick Mahomes.
It's been impressive. Jack. What's was this last? This last drive?
(28:25):
Canast drive through it?
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Do you remember the last well?
Speaker 13 (28:29):
I remember we our tight end, Keith Cash was out.
He was injured, so we had I believe his name
was Tracy Green or something like that. It was his
rookie year from Grambling State, Grambling State, Grambling State Biggs.
He was a former offensive lineman six six' five to seventy,
five big old tight. End he had a crucial catch
down at the end of the game to get us
close to the goal.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Line and Then.
Speaker 13 (28:51):
Willie, DAVIS i mean the Great Willie davis again still
A Kansas City, chief gets that that touchdown and Where
montana put it Very mahomes. ESQUE i Mean mahomes would,
say my passes are Very Joe montana asked right where
it needed to, be right, right leading him to the.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Pylon it was rowing outside, low only where he could get.
It so a lot of what you're coached in The
National Football league on that the back, line everything's high
so no one can catch. It when you're on the goal,
line everything has to be low because there's less. Space you,
know how about that.
Speaker 13 (29:24):
Pass From Josh allen AGAINST us that was so low
and down at the pylon in that, game and Then
Patrick mahomes returns a favor against The ravens with an
equally great.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Pass, like oh my, man and great Recall, eric shout
out To Tracy. Green he only had six career receptions
in THE. Nfl, Yeah joe's leading on him and crunches
The french. Times, Yeah AND i don't THINK i don't
think HE i don't. THINK i think he played one
more year and he did one more year for The
Steelers Grambling, State Grambling. State and this one ends up thirty,
one twenty eight in The house Of, Horrors Kansas city
(29:58):
goes in there and gets the win and fourteen Years
Monday Night.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Football, yeah, Yeah marty gets his.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
First one in.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
There, yeah At Mile. High that's, awesome. RIGHT i Love Marty.
Shotton i'm A marty ball.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
Baby thanks for.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Listening remember to tune in Every tuesday for a brand
new episode and Every sunday for another games with names
high that.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
YEAR h
We're bringing you another compilation of some of my favorite
stories from.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Games with names. Let's go now Doug Flute on his
iconic hill Mary pass.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
When we got the ball, my mentality was, we've got
three or four plays here. Let's get the ball to midfield.
Just make sure we get the midfield. We take a
couple of shots. We had two timeouts. College football clock
stops after so we get a first down on the
first one on a seam route. We get a first
down on the second one out of bounds, and I'm like,
we're already cross midfield.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
We still got two.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Timeouts, so there's one play was an incompletion. I never
used the timeouts, you know, we still had two in
our pocket.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And are you calling timeouts? You dropping them?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I yeah, that's another thing we call them on the
on the field. But we were really good at two
minutes and call it college is they waste more time?
You know, look into the sideline getting the plane all that.
I mean, I was just calling my own plays. So
we get it.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We line up in a hurry.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I get to play called. I'm ready to snap the
ball before the official and then on the whistle, boom,
he snaps the ball.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
We didn't waste time.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
We made maybe lost a second and a half, you know,
but uh we were we were good at not wasted
time on our two minute and I didn't have to
use the timeouts.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So you didn't have to use the timeouts. And it
goes into the last play. Now, what's your mindset? Can
you take us beat for beat with that?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
My mindset is I was hoping to get a little closer.
Didn't happen in completion six seconds. Okay, it's time for
hill Mary. I'm getting in the huddle to call to
play and they're running a freshman on the field with
the play like I got a fifth It's like Sean
Sean Debrowski freshman Dumbo was his nickname they put they
want him on the field because he can jump. It's
(01:41):
not gonna be It's like you're a freshman sit out.
I'm waving him off the field because I want Troy Strafford.
He was a fifth year senior. I wanted Troy on
the field for the play and him be one of
the receivers. He was a running back, but I wanted
him in the mix. Uh, little that I know, Troy
had to pulled ham straight. He never gets down the
field on the play, so Troy starts to jog off
the field. I'm yelling at Troy to get his ass
(02:04):
back here, and Dumbo off the field. So the freshman doesn't.
He's like, I'm listening to Doug and I'm off the field.
Troy comes back to the huddle. The bench sends Sean Bag.
I'm like, no, sit down.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
So we get the play called.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
We go to the line of scrimmage and there's an
inverting whistle and a flag and there were the defenders
were on Girard and on Troy, leaving Calvin Martin, the
outside receiver, to be the free runner to get down
there first. And after the interverting whistle, we line up again.
Now I tell the tight end go down the backside,
and my philosophy is buy as much time as possible.
(02:37):
Make it a jump ball, but back then everybody drop back,
throw it. The receivers are still trying to get there.
You got to you gotta buy time, your time. The
last second, the defender decides, you know what, this is
the guy with speed, I'm gonna go jam him and
walks off. Gerard goes to the outside defender, allowing Gerard
to be the first guy down now, Gerard.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
They did an iole on the replay. He looks like
he's running a five four forty.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I mean we're in a wet He's just chugging down
the field with his head down. And when I rolled right,
they all the defenders sat flat and let drgo right
by him. He's deeper than the deepest and turning around
and seeing the ball thrown. But then when I pulled up,
it's kind of like a javelin, you know, on the
move through it and got it there. I was gonna
look backside, but a linebacker was running at me, so
(03:23):
I didn't have time to look backside. I get outside,
I just let it launch to an area. I see
the two defenders go up and everybody just fall to
the ground, and there's a half second delay, and I
see an official's arms.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I'm like, you gotta be fuck.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I started laughing my ass off and started running towards
the pile, and I never got down there. There's a
great picture of Stee Tripillow.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
With me in his arms.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I guess I jumped in.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And there's a better picture that I love me and
my brother's arms from the back of him with Flutio
in his jersey with my arm in near too.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Here's Bears Negerian on the history of the Patriots Jets rivalry.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
To me, like, I think about this stuff, like the
history of rivalries, like I grew up in New York,
and like the Yankees and the Red Sox in the
old days, the seventies and the eighties when they're brawling
like legit brawls and games Thurman Muns and Carlton Fisk
and like Bruins Rangers fighting fans in the stands, Like
there was some serious rivalries going on. But this one
(04:27):
took it like to a different level because it wasn't
as much on the field. It was like the off
the field stuff, the off field drama with coaches and
front office and players switching teams and the whole New
York Boston rivalry. And even at that time, and I
know this because I was one of them. I grew
up in New York, went to school in Boston College
(04:48):
in Boston. There was a lot of that going on
in that eighties nineties, where there was an influx of
young people from New York going to college in Boston.
That brought a whole new kind of aspect to it
of the rivalry, and then this game was kind of
took it to the next level.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
It's it's like I was trying to think of any
like how to equate it to a modern sort of
rivalry and just can't. Like with the coaching changes of
the players, change of the back and forth, like like.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Andy Reid going to the Raiders, it's just keep right
and then.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Being messy on his way out the Chiefs. And then
the best player then Mahomes having I was just a
quick little This is one thing with Curtis Martin.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's on the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
It's like that had three years or two or three years,
you know, good play, very productive player, had some injuries.
You know, if there was a there was a contract
aspect going on where the Patriots going to sign them,
where they're not going to sign them. So Parcells loved
Curtis Martin from assignment the Patriots. So he signs Curtis
he was restricted free agent. He signs him to an
(05:54):
offer sheet to come to the Jets. Okay, in this
offer sheet, it says that Curtis Martin has to be
the highest paid player on a team.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
I can't do this now.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
And the Patriots couldn't match that because Bloodsoe was there
and he was you know, the Patriots didn't have an
established quarterback. It was Neil O'Donnell. The old from the
old regeam is Glenn Foley Boston College.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So they could do that.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
That is since that's also one of the many rules
that have come up probably out of this rivalry as well,
is that that poison pill for in the contract. You
can't do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
So he went.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
So Curtis Martin ended up going to the to the Jets,
having a Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Jesus, that's that's just one thing.
Speaker 8 (06:36):
I mean, this game that we're covering is his highest rushing.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Touchdown, right, I think he had like seven carries on
the game when he drive in overtime in this game,
like the you know, the Patriots had a really good team.
Let's I'll give you one more. Who's on the sideline
in this game for the Patriots. Pete Carroll's the head coach.
Turned out to be quite a i mean higher then
and he's you know, National Championship of College super Bowl
(07:02):
on the end.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So a great coach.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
Who a few years before head coach.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Of the Jets for one year. They fired him after
one year. So Pete Carroll was the head coach of
the Jets. People don't really talk about that as much
in this game, but you know, there's another one.
Speaker 8 (07:15):
So I'd love your because I didn't realize that you
were in the Jets organization before Parcels came in. What
was the vibe, the buzz, what was going on from
the Jets perspective when Parcells started the remblings of potentially
joining the Jets while he was under contract with the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
From what I recall, it was, if you can get Parcels,
you get par sales. Now, remember the team is four
and twenty eight, so if it wasn't Parcels, it could
have been somebody else coming in, you know, as a
new head coach anyway. But if you get Parcels, that
instant credibility right away and whatever he wants he gets,
and he was gonna do and you're gonna get better.
(07:53):
Team was in the NFC Championship game the next year,
twelve and four season. But yeah, that game, the Patriots
were good, the Jets were not good, so the pressure
was all on the Patriots. You gotta win this game,
you can't let this guy leave the way he left
and come back. Week three, National TV, Patriots are two
and zero and win like that would have been disastrous.
(08:17):
So the Patriots had to win that game and barely did.
I mean they were a better team, but took a
lot of body blows on the way. It's like Rocky one,
Rocky Rocky won, Apollo wins, but a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Was that week of practice and prep. How was that
week in New York?
Speaker 5 (08:40):
In New York it wasn't nearly what it was I
think up here, because you like all the information was
there like a newspaper and you know, the radio, like
that was it. You could tell like up here it
meant everything down there was like the team's just kind
of getting started. Here try and try not to piss
him off. I personally, because I was into this stuff,
like I wanted to win. I wanted to win it
(09:01):
for him because I knew it was a big deal
for that. But within the team, I think they could
sense it. You know, once the busses are getting pelted,
like the Jets, busses didn't get pelted very much at
one in fifteen, Like one and fifteen, buses don't get pelted.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Now Bill Bird talks the greatness of Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 9 (09:20):
Did you see that recent one let Lawrence Taylor drove
by Giants Stadium. You saw the lights on him and
he's like, oh fuck, I have a game. Yeah, and
showed up in the first quarter.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
He showed up late. They benched him for a series
and then he went out and I think he had
like seven sacks.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
All right, I'm gonna tell a story.
Speaker 9 (09:35):
Okay, I don't feel like I'm talking out out of
school here, because this is this is uh, this is
a funny story. So I'm doing inside the NFL. Phil
Simms is on the show and Lawrence Taylor is coming in.
So it's Philed, Chris Collinsworth, Lawrence Taylor, and me. Right,
I mean one of those classic like what in the
(09:56):
hell am I doing here?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Right?
Speaker 9 (09:57):
So Lawrence hasn't showed up yet, So Phil tells me
a story. I can't believe Lawrence Taylor is going to
be here. I mean that guy was just like he
literally changed the game, and I was just going on
and on about him. He goes, you know what's funny
about that guy? He goes, he didn't even know the
names of the teams in the leagues. I go get
the fuck out of here. He goes, yeah, he goes.
One time, he goes, we were we won some game.
(10:19):
They were on the road, and they're on the team plane.
They're all hyped and Lawrence is psyched. And Phil goes, yeah,
hey man, you know, if the Redskins lose, then we're
going to be in first place in our division. And
Lawrence goes, uh oh, yeah, he goes. He goes, who's
in our division? And Phil goes, you don't know who's
in our division? And he goes, man, I don't give
a shit, right, And I'm thinking, like that is the
genius that he love him. Let's say, I don't need
(10:41):
extra information in my head. You have a different uniform
than me, I'm going to ruin your day. So I
thought it was a hilarious story. But as always, you know,
you think maybe he put a little mustard on it
or whatever. Ten minutes later, Lawrence Taylor comes walking in.
Him and Phil both just start laughing, which was great.
They just saw each other. They start laughing, hugged and everything.
You just know all the shit that they did back then.
(11:02):
Who knows, right, So Laurence sits down and he starts
telling stories. Right, they just start telling things and in
the middle of one story goes me, he goes, we
were down in UH, down in New Orleans. Then we
would play in the UH And he goes, Phil, what's
the name of that team in New Orleans? And he
goes to the Saints. He goes, you're play in the Saints.
It was unbelievable. And then fat sports writers would would
(11:24):
would say that, you know, they would say that he
wasn't smart, he was blah blah. It's like that's like
some Einstein shit. I'm wearing the same shit every day,
so my brain doesn't I only need to worry about
like you know, you hear all those stories how he
would sleep through meetings and then get up and diagram
the whole play or they would ask him if it
was okay.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
The guy is like a fucking divan genius. Genius.
Speaker 9 (11:44):
But the fact that he didn't even know, like the
fact that he's almost like a housewife in the level
that he doesn't know the names of the teams yet
he's the most alpha dominating player that I ever saw.
But you know why he seems like he fell out
of the sky is because his favorite player was Hollywood Henderson. Yeah,
(12:04):
and he was sort of he was like, Hollywood Henderson
was the gap as far as the linebacking position between
like you know, Dick Buckis in that era and him.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
He came and it looked like he was an alien.
Speaker 9 (12:16):
It was because unfortunately, Hollywood Henderson had like substance abuse
problems and it affected his career. But one of the
greatest play another underrated play nineteen seventy six. The Steelers
are playing the Cowboys and the Steelers kick off.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Guess who receives it. Hollywood Henderson.
Speaker 9 (12:35):
They had a linebacker receiving their kick in nineteen seventy six,
like that just didn't happen, and he took it all
the way down the field to like they're forty five
and Roy Jirella, their kicker, just sort of dove like
that and his linebacker knee hit his ribs, broke them, Yeah,
and fucked him up for the game. And it's a
really hard game to watch him you're a Cowboys fan,
(12:55):
because they were running reverses, I think that's what it was.
A reverse on the on the on the kickoff, and
they were doing all of this shit and then they
got up and then they just sat on the ball
and the Steelers kept playing, and then they came back
and beat them.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Man, how does it feel to be that old to
remember a nineteen seventy six game that great?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
I watched it on YouTube. The first one I watched
was seventy eight.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
What's the first game you remember watching?
Speaker 9 (13:21):
You know some OJ Simpson was playing in like the
early seventies, and my Yeah, my dad's screaming at the
TV or something.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
My grandfather going, uh, you know, he's the old days.
Speaker 9 (13:33):
He's like packing a pipe to smoke it inside.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
The Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Next up, Ed O'Neil tells his wild story about getting
cut from the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 10 (13:45):
This was not too long after I got cut. Yeah,
so I was still following things pretty closely. And you know,
I knew all about Frank Ohrris and those guys because
they came a year after I got cut. And when
I got cut, I said, I got cut. I had
a cup of coffee with them. Basically, Yeah, that's about it.
But yeah, so I was still, you know, sitting in
the bar with my buddies watching these games. Yeah, and
(14:07):
glad I wasn't playing at that point.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, well you had to be vested because you got
drafted with me and Joe Green. You got drafted with
a lot of these pro football Hall of famers, and
so you got to enjoy. And it was Chuck noles
first year.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Right, it was Nole's first year, and so.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You got to you had his first training camp, and
you got to know these people. So you get vested
because you have relationships with these guys. Huh.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, I mean it was, uh, you know, it was.
Speaker 10 (14:34):
It was very intense. You know you've been to those camps.
I mean I didn't make a whole lot of friends.
It was a job, yes, but it was it was fun.
I actually enjoyed it. Yeah, as opposed to college. I mean,
you know, I don't know why you would think it
would be the opposite, but I actually enjoyed the training
(14:54):
down there.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
You know what people don't realize because I was a
very similar situation.
Speaker 10 (15:00):
You.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You're a priority free agent, so they sined you exactly. Yeah.
I was a seventh round draft pick, which is the
last round of our draft, which some would argue it's
better to be a free agent because you get two
years contract instead of locking in for a third and
you're a quarterback. I was a quarterback. But the mental
aspect when you're on the team and there's ninety guys,
(15:22):
they got to cut it down to fifty three. And
you're sitting where you did you used to play the
numbers game, You're sitting in training camp. Well, they're going
to keep this guy. They're going to keep that guy.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (15:32):
I had a situation where, you know, I don't know
if yours was the same as ours, but ours the
Steelers they would put a board up and if your
name wasn't on it, you were cut. So it's kind
of a nice way to do it. You don't see
your name as this guy got cut. You know, people
don't know you. They don't even know you got cut.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And it's completely changed nowadays. Nowadays, you'll be sitting in
the locker room and they have this guy with everyone
calls the Turk. It's probably like, uh, he's like an
offensive assistant of assistant of another assistant. And he comes
up to your locker and he taps on your shoulder.
He says, hey, head coach wants to see you bring
your playbook.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Oh no, I had that.
Speaker 10 (16:10):
Oh see they went to they went through when it
started out, they had so many guys they cut the
way I just mentioned. But then if you got along
some then it turned into uh, oh, by the way,
uh coach snow would like to see you in his
office and bring your playbook.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
That's what happened to me.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Geez.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Yeah, So but then there you know how nice they
are to you when you're.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Going there, you know we're going a different route. You know,
you're just not well with me.
Speaker 10 (16:35):
It was, well, you never played outside linebacker and you're
trying to make the team and learn the position at
the same time.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
That's hard to do. I said, yeah.
Speaker 10 (16:44):
He said, well I think they I think. I think
I remember it as well. You can go to the
Eagles if you want to and have don't give you.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
A good look.
Speaker 10 (16:52):
We'll rent a car for you. You can drive down
the PA Pike. But I need to know right now.
And I don't know what happened to my thinking. It
was like, you're gonna what I want to drive a
car a Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
No, I said, I'm done, I'm finished. Thanks a lot.
Speaker 10 (17:09):
Wow, that was it, But I was getting sick of it,
to be honest with you, I played for two colleges.
I had some knee problems, and I just I don't
know what it was. I didn't even like coach as much,
you know, I got I didn't I like Noel. He
was well, I didn't get to know him much, but
he was a real gentleman, and I thought he was
a nice guy. He was, but I had coaches in college.
(17:30):
I didn't like it all in high school too. I
had to start thinking maybe.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
It was my fault. It was to that point, gee,
I was finished. I said. He said, well, what are
you going to do? I said, I don't know, but
not this.
Speaker 10 (17:43):
And then I remember when I went to my back
to the dorm room. I had a you know, I
had a roommate. His name was Clarence Oliver San Diego State.
He made the team as a defensive back, and uh
he only played one year. I think he broke his back,
but he made it. But I went in and he
was like, what happened? What do you think?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
So I was backing up and the guy came in,
you know, they.
Speaker 10 (18:08):
Said, well, the car's out there. Where do you want
to go? And I said, Pittsburgh. I'm not from Pittsburgh,
and I but I knew a guy I knew a
friend in Pittsburgh. So I said, now I'm going to Pittsburgh,
and he says, okay, we'll drive you to Pittsburgh. You
know it's not too it's Latrobe.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yah.
Speaker 10 (18:24):
So he said, we'll swing by the stadium on the
way out because your cleats are there in the locker,
and we got a lot of swag for you. We
got great jerseys and T shirts and hats and shorts.
And I said, I don't want any of that shit.
He said, you don't want the it's good stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I don't want it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I'm going to wear it.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I'm not wearing it.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
I don't want the cleats either, I'm not going to
use them anymore. So he took me into Pittsburgh and
I had this rudimentary idea of where my friend lived.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
So I was trying. I didn't want to go home.
Speaker 10 (18:55):
Yeah, it was what it was. So I why didn't
you want to go home? You know, I mean, that
was all screwed up. I thought, I don't want to
go home and have to explain this. So I said
it was still in the summertime. So I directed them
up a street and I saw a bar. It was
a local bar with the door open the summertime. The
door's no air, you know, the door was open. I said,
(19:17):
right here, my friend lives right around that bar. Just
drop me off here.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
You sure, you know?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
They kind of said, yeah, give me the bag audios.
Speaker 10 (19:26):
So I went in the bar and it was like
two o'clock in the afternoon, and there were like a
couple of you know, locals.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
It was a local joint.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Ye.
Speaker 10 (19:35):
So I walk in. I'm twenty three years old. They
don't know me. I'm a stranger in this neighborhood and.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
They're look, was this good?
Speaker 10 (19:42):
I order a beer and they got the TV up high,
you know, on the wall, and we're watching it, and
the the news comes on and they're showing Armstrong walking
on the moon.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (19:55):
That's when I got cut. And I'm thinking, well, if
somebody had a good day, he had the golf club right,
And I'm watching it, and then they went to the
sports and of course it's Pittsburgh. So they go linebacker
Ed O'Neill released today from the Steelers, and there's my
picture and these guys are in the in the bar
(20:17):
and they look.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
They go, you're at O'Neill. Yeah, yeah, And they.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
Said your money's no good here now they're all buying
me drinks. I end up at three o'clock in the
morning and some some car with some girl with a
state hoopie pulling me over. You know, I don't even
know my name at this point. And the guy looks
in and I think I had my shirt off, and
(20:46):
you know, that was almost naked. And I'm driving though,
and he says, you know, I had my drivers. He said,
did you get cut today from Pittsburgh? I said yep.
He said, miss can you drive? She said, yeah, he
just he's just driving around. Then he said, can you
drive this guy home? And she said, I'll take him.
(21:07):
He says he knows somebody and he's letting him go
because it was you.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Know, it was Pittsburgh, Pittsbury Steelers. They love them Steelers.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Even if you got cut, it doesn't make it.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
You're still part of the team. You're still part of
the team.
Speaker 10 (21:19):
Anyway.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
That's my I don't think i've told that story ever.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Next, Terry Bradshaw tells us about a crazy fight that
broke out at Steelers practice.
Speaker 11 (21:27):
Why in practice one day I threw a pass and
for some reason he man at John Cob or something.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
He came through and.
Speaker 11 (21:36):
He decked me, knocked me back over, ask kettle, helmet
flew off, practice practice, and then we practiced in full pash.
I found the football and I got off bom through it.
I've tried to kill him. Nobody chuck nole. He's probably
he didn't mind it. But I have to shit knocked
out of me. Boss pissed. He came over and I
(21:59):
said me something, mad Dog, you may lose with me,
but you never win without me.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
You got that.
Speaker 11 (22:08):
And I walked over a steaming I said, tik my
helmet off, y'all sit on your helmets and practice, and
we did. I said on my helmet, I'm over there
and none. I'm mad because nobody got in a fight.
Nobody fought for me.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Maybe that's it.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Nobody gave me shit. I don't know what.
Speaker 11 (22:25):
I'm over by myself. And here comes mad Dog. He
comes over and he kind of had that high pitch.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
What were that guy?
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Give me that saying?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
What was that saying?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 7 (22:38):
You know what that saying? You threw it about? What
you said?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
What what was that you said?
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Huh? And he had his tooth missing, and I said
I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
What you're talking you.
Speaker 11 (22:45):
You said, Tom Bob, we're gonna win, may lose, I said,
And I got to thinking, what did I say?
Speaker 7 (22:52):
And so he sat out.
Speaker 11 (22:53):
The next thing I know, it's like, hey, pull up
a chair, pull up a helmet.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
So we started going, okay, you not me down.
Speaker 11 (23:01):
I got pissed. I hit you with the football. You
came at me. I pointed at you.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
And what did I say?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
He said something about you're gonna win with me.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Said, oh no, no, no, you may.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
Lose with me. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna
lose with me.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
No, I'm not gonna lose with you.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
You may lose with me.
Speaker 11 (23:24):
Then what we said, and it took us thirty minutes,
but you'll never win with that, but that's it.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah, Oh I like that.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
I said, well, I like it too.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
That's an original.
Speaker 11 (23:37):
Yeah, And to this day that was always of course
he passed away. God bless Joe Green will say. Lon
Bamber said, you may lose with me, but you'll never
win without me. Now that kind of became the theme
of their defense. They used to use it all the time.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Next up, comedian Gary Goleman and Jeweles discussed the evolution
of the tight end position.
Speaker 12 (23:57):
He was a man a wonderful time end back when
they used to block a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah. Yeah, you know, I do Fox with Rob Gronk
and we'll sit and talk and I always pick his
brain whenever because we'll watch all the games together and
I have all the TVs. Yeah, sitting there, you got
Howie Long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, I'm sitting there and
I'm like, Yo, gron what do you think about this kid?
He's more of an H back? Do you think about
(24:23):
this guy? He's more of an H back? He really
thinks that the true tight end position. There's only like
two to five, two to three that are a traditional
tight end that could sit up on the end of
the line of scrimmage, a block of nine technique. Right, wow,
you know what I mean. There's not many guys that
do that. Yeah, a lot of these guys. It's become
a pass catching position. It's an extra wide receiver. Yeah,
(24:45):
you know what I mean. You get big totalivers and
then you're playing the personnel group game, and now they
don't have to block the ends anymore. They can get
up on you know, a smaller backer. Oh yeah, game.
It's completely changed.
Speaker 12 (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's so much faster it is, and get
over it sometimes.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Gary, How was how was your blocking when you play it? Awful?
Speaker 12 (25:04):
My blocking was My blocking was awful. My technique was
was awful. I relied on being able to jump very
high and I had good hands, but my blocking I
could never do. They used to call it a reach
block and that and that. Yeah, and that's a really
that's a really hard block. And also when I was
in high school, they didn't want you to use your hands.
They wanted you to block with your shoulder, so that, yes,
(25:24):
you seek the flippers, yes, so you wouldn't get called
for a holy call.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Now. Eric stone Street on Joe Montana's incredible last minute
drive to beat the Broncos Monday Night Show.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
It uh, it was everything it was built up to be.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Montana Lway combined for six hundred and fifty passing yards
five tds. It was a little slow starting out, nothing,
nothing after the first feeling each other out in mile high.
Then we get on the board fourteen fourteen and a half.
L Way is slinging one, Montana slinging one. They trade
TD passes in the third. Then it comes down to
the fourth minute. It's the same old story. L Way
(26:01):
does the drive. Ten men on the field, he runs
it in himself. They take the lead with a minute
twenty nine left. Now it's Joe Joe magic time.
Speaker 13 (26:12):
And it really when you watch that drive, it really is.
You know, people talk about Tom Brady with the ten
yard three yard, four yard dump off passes. I mean
he did just down, check, check down, check down the whole.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Field, and well, so interesting. I'm rewatching it the other day.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
You see guys in this situation today, it's it's from
the shotgun, empty backfield, spread them out back. Then Joe's
under center every single Yeah, with two tight ends. They
got a minute twenty nine left, two timeouts, and he's
still marching down the field under center.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I love it. You look at the Chiefs now with
this year. Yep, you know they've been a lot more
under the center. Yeah, because you know, you got you
gotta incorporate that run game, helping the tackles out of
little bills. You know, it's it's a big thing, and
there's something to be said like when people say, oh,
it's a Deanc dunk this that to have the discipline
(27:00):
as a quarterback to not take the food's goal because
there's there's spots where it opened up and it closes quick.
And to be able to not make a mistake in
a high pressure situation and take what the defense gives you.
It seems easy for the regular person, but it's so
hard because you feel that pressure, you feel the time,
(27:21):
you feel where you are in the game, and and
you know that that's why you like Patrick Mahomes. This
year he's been like that. He hasn't turned the ball
over in six goddamn playoff games and it hasn't been
razzle dazzle, but he's had the humility and he's had
that kind of confidence to like, know what his team is.
(27:42):
No that we have a really good defense right now,
we know, you know, defenses are playing us probably a
little different. We don't have what we had on in
the past on the outside. And and to just take
what the defense gives you is that's a skill, you know.
And yeah, it's just but there's gonna be that one
time where you hit that check down, you hit that
(28:05):
option route, option route. There's gonna be that one time
where you have to put that that fourteen yard in
cut in there, you know, and that's what these guys do. Yeah,
and that's what you saw with you know, Joe Montana,
and that's what you saw a lot with Tom Brady,
and that's what you're seeing right now with Patrick Mahomes.
It's been impressive. Jack. What's was this last? This last drive?
(28:25):
Canast drive through it?
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Do you remember the last well?
Speaker 13 (28:29):
I remember we our tight end, Keith Cash was out.
He was injured, so we had I believe his name
was Tracy Green or something like that. It was his
rookie year from Grambling State, Grambling State, Grambling State Biggs.
He was a former offensive lineman six six' five to seventy,
five big old tight. End he had a crucial catch
down at the end of the game to get us
close to the goal.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Line and Then.
Speaker 13 (28:51):
Willie, DAVIS i mean the Great Willie davis again still
A Kansas City, chief gets that that touchdown and Where
montana put it Very mahomes. ESQUE i Mean mahomes would,
say my passes are Very Joe montana asked right where
it needed to, be right, right leading him to the.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Pylon it was rowing outside, low only where he could get.
It so a lot of what you're coached in The
National Football league on that the back, line everything's high
so no one can catch. It when you're on the goal,
line everything has to be low because there's less. Space you,
know how about that.
Speaker 13 (29:24):
Pass From Josh allen AGAINST us that was so low
and down at the pylon in that, game and Then
Patrick mahomes returns a favor against The ravens with an
equally great.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Pass, like oh my, man and great Recall, eric shout
out To Tracy. Green he only had six career receptions
in THE. Nfl, Yeah joe's leading on him and crunches
The french. Times, Yeah AND i don't THINK i don't
think HE i don't. THINK i think he played one
more year and he did one more year for The
Steelers Grambling, State Grambling. State and this one ends up thirty,
one twenty eight in The house Of, Horrors Kansas city
(29:58):
goes in there and gets the win and fourteen Years
Monday Night.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Football, yeah, Yeah marty gets his.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
First one in.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
There, yeah At Mile. High that's, awesome. RIGHT i Love Marty.
Shotton i'm A marty ball.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
Baby thanks for.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Listening remember to tune in Every tuesday for a brand
new episode and Every sunday for another games with names
high that.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
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