June 29, 2025 • 23 mins
In this week's edition of Highlight Reels we're talking Wide Receiver techniques. Julian and some of the best Wide Receivers to grace The Nuthouse breakdown techniques, route running, and all the intricacies of the position. From Cooper Kupp to Keyshawn Johnson, we get some incredible insight from some unguardable dudes.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Games and Names.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm Julian Edelman, and we've got a brand new compilation,
Highlight Reel starting now now.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Cooper Cup talks about wide receiver techniques, receivers and art form.
No one, doesn't you do it different than this? Goes
back to the same conversation. It's like, you know, there's
there's Picasso and brother Tis, Michael Donald Tello, Raphaels, there
(00:32):
is there is so like, uh, there's all these different
ways to do it. Yeah, right, And so I'm like,
I don't want to get stuck just knowing one way.
I want to have some other stuff I can do
and force me to kind of go and learn from people.
I remember before the twenty my second year, before the
twenty eighteen season, It's it's Friday before we report on
Tuesday for training camp, and I'm with Curse Conway.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, who's that the receiver?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, from with team Bears.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Bears.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
So I I want what year?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I think at the point I'm with Conway and where
we show up on I show up on Friday, like
we're easing to take me through some girls. I want
to get, you know, perspective. I want to see someone
else take me to through stuff. A lot of the
times I go with someone and I might spend a
few days working out with someone and be like, I
grabbed one thing that I want to like take with me, right.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Sometimes there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Sometimes like man, there's just a treasure trove of stuff
that I want to use here. Yeah, there with Curse
Conway and we ran a curl route for an hour straight,
an hour shift a curl route three days before training camp.
My toes were I pulled my cleats off toes bloodied,
gone gone every year yeah gone, you know, so you go, yeah,
(01:46):
but I want to go here for someone want to
hear something something different?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And what was his technique? How was it different? You
know he attacked the leverage guy or was he just
goes straight up in the back.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
We did attack.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
We did more attack the leverage stuff in terms of
like the stems and things like that. But I don't
even remember if it was from him that I like
pull this, But it was kind of the beginning of
this idea of like, as a receiver, I never want
to think of myself as as slowing down.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I want to decelerate, right.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I want to always be thinking I'm accelerating so even
when I get to the top of a route, I
want to accelerate down into the ground, right, Like, what's
the what one of the best stoppers in the world javelin, right,
Javelin comes down stops right. So I want to be
like a javel where I'm running and I want that angle.
I want to accelerate down at forty five and when
(02:36):
I'm accelerating, put my foot down.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You know what Newton says energy potential.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yes, he also says every force is an equal and
opposite reaction, right, So if I accelerate down into the ground, right,
the ground's gonna stop me, push back against me.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Starting go somewhere.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And now, as a dB you see me accelerating.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I'm accelerating down towards the ground, and you're backing up right,
but I'm stopping.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, but you have to have your technique and right
in your body all that.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Oh, there's so much I like they're running curls for
an hour, get.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
My feet bloodied.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Like yeah, I probably didn't grab a whole lot of
stuff from it, but it was like the beginning of
this thought, like, man, how do I want to stop now?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Poking akua on developing alongside Cooper Cup You're.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Running indie drills and like everybody's getting ready to line up,
and I'm like, yo, I'm gonna make my way to
the front right behind Coop. Yeah, I'm gonna make my
way to the front to be number two, just so
I can watch him.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Go watch his whole rep.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Watch how you like doing everything, whether it's routes on air,
it was the cone drills, or he were going up
in one on ones, like like yeah, and then when
I got to go run the reps with him, I'm like,
all right, Coop, like hey, we got this, or like
we're lined up two by two and we're going to
wear in a stack and it's me and Coop would
be like, all right, what are you about to do
right here? I'm like and he'd be like, all right,
I think I'm about to get inside leverage and then
I'm gonna work in I'm a cross face and then
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I'm a one two at the top and be like
all right, and we're like we're as we're going out,
like we're still kind of talking to me, like oh,
and then you watch him say exactly do exactly what
he said was gonna go to be like holy cow,
Like this is how football should feel like. Man, there's
a different type of feeling when you get to go
and watch somebody because they're giving all these cues that man,
you're like, oh, I just have my I have my
corner route right here.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
I'm gonna find a way. And he's like, all right, No,
it's gonna look like this. He's gonna roll down, he's
gonna play outside leverage. I'm gonna get to his inside shower.
I'm a one to him at the top and I'm
gonna win. And then he would go one to him
at the top and he would win and be like,
damn cool.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Next up, Antonio Gates breaks down his record setting touchdown.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Catch you just in the moment, you know, I'm looking
at the side of I'm reading my side of the field.
I don't got time trying to read the whole scan
the whole field. What's it was like a sticky pump,
you know, And I'm looking at the back yardstick and
go and go right, come around right. I knew it was.
I felt like it was zone, you know. And I gotta, man,
(04:49):
mind you, I gotta I gotta guess this. When after
my first.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Two steps is this, Uh, who's this on?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Is this on a linebacker?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah? This is on line back.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
It felt like it felt like cover four if I
can look at it. It felt like he was going
to try to push. Yeah, but it was like two safeties.
So it's hard to determine because we in the red zone, right,
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's hard.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
It's hard to determine. But me, I don't even That
was the beauty of not playing either. I don't overthink nothing.
I just go play, you know what I'm saying. Because
when you got this football high iq, you come down,
you can overthink it's still football, it's green grass, or
it ain't.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Just play, you know what I'm saying. That was my philosophy.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Once I ran up on him, I realized he was
He stayed inside, he didn't push right, so I'm thinking, like, well,
the corner didn't look like he was squatting.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So that's why I kind of trying to figure out what.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Was cover six?
Speaker 7 (05:38):
It was four, it was two, you know what, Let
me just get back around here. I felt like it's
some type of zone, right, which I felt like it
was cover four because he drove it safety drove it.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So hard, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
So I ended up just trying to loop around and
get around the linebacker with the idea of, if it's four,
let me give him a little something because he's going
to have to go.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
He's trying to get unerneath me. Yeah, it's going to
have to go if it's four. Yeah, and if it's true.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
So basically my idea is that if it's two, I
can still just come on and come around him flatter.
I gotta come flatter. If it's four, I gotta still
come flat. Now I'm the safeties guy. Once I get
a straight lease, now I got to beat him.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Right.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
So the backer is not really the concern. It was
more so the safety. I've always used that formula anyway.
I ain't got time to worry about the first dude.
Whereas his help, right, So where you're gonna go? Yeah,
So I just kind of gave him listen. I felt
like he wasn't really moving. I said, there's no point
of me why and what? He ain't coming right? So
I just came, let's yeah two three for two, three
(06:40):
for two, that's what it might have been. So, and
I've seen enough of those coverages to know. Yeah, I
got there a lot with like Danny when Danny was
on our team, So I got the like I was
darren spros.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
We get him in the slot formation as.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
A backer, linebacker, safety, whatever, so we know it's three
for to take. I go over here at the back
of got me. I go vertical to the safety, got me.
I always trying to figure out what the help was at.
I never thought about the actual guy who's carvering me
in my mind and to me, I was gonna beat
him where it's his help that determines his levers, that's
going to determine how he's shade, how he's moving. And
(07:16):
I felt like he didn't really move with no point
of me getting.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Wide and you had to get open on him for
you to get the ball. Yeah, because you know that's
what the quarterback seeing.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, now Danny A.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Mondola breaks down the double pass is.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Through the pass eat by beat.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Well.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
We got to start by the full season.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
Really, I think we never We practiced it a couple
maybe three times, whether it be in a walkthrough.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
We put it in like week two, we put it
in me too.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
We actually ran it against We had it called with
an alert versus right, yeah, versus Kansas City on that
Monday night game, and they gave us a man look,
so we had to get a check out of it,
run a slat backside with Jojo Lefello, who took it
to the house actually, but because as they gave us
a man look, we couldn't run it. So it got
called off and then we didn't see it again until
(08:04):
I think we ran in a walk through it and
we missed it in the walk.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Through, and the walkthrough missed it the night before the game. Yeah,
so the coaches are freaking out there, like scrap it.
Speaker 8 (08:14):
These slappies can't complete a pass. And then and then
they called it in the game and we got the
right look and then ended up working out.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Man, remember this ball, let me see I remember, I
remember the.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Way it feels. Oh yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 8 (08:31):
It's a little wobbly though, was it a was it
a complete spiral or no?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It was a just wanted to get out there. I
thought I overthrew them.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Now like Doling, I get this, hey little jogger run
he catches it, little high.
Speaker 8 (08:46):
Step in the end zone, tracked it down. That was
That was the loudest I've ever heard Foxborough. Well, we
were down fourteen points twice in that game. That was
the second time.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I tied it up at twenty eight. I tied
it up at twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
They went up fourteen zero, then we went to fourteen fourteen,
then they went up twenty eight to fourteen.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, you remember the lead up to this, Josh, No,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Josh just came up to me in the drive before,
he is I don't need to give you any lead
time for for the dope pass, do I. I'm like, no,
I'm good. Yeah, sitting there shitting my pants out there.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, thinking about the walk through the night before. Yeah,
what were you thinking when you let that ball fly?
I thought I overthrew you.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
No, I was good. I was I was jogging too, Bud,
I don't know right in the stride, didn't even have
to turn the jets on.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Steve Smith Senior is up next, talking about becoming the
X receiver, and we.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Had practiced the play is called X Clown.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
We practiced that play so many times and me and
Jay could not get on the same page.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I'll run it this way, he threw it that way,
he threw it this way.
Speaker 9 (09:52):
I wouldn't run it that way, and it just just seemed.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Like it was not gonna work. And then when they
called it a game, it worked twice.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You guys hit it twice.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Now the X clown So what there's verbiage probably for
the protection and there's something else or does that tell
everyone what to do?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
So this is where ball is.
Speaker 9 (10:17):
This is the part where some people don't like that
actually know ball. You know, they kind of think that
I don't know ball. And people always talk about you know,
especially with my stuff, they always talk about Steve just
he just talks. And the offense we were running that
year was Dan Henny yeah, w tree from that tree
(10:44):
is from Charlie Weiss, which means we had maybe if
these words sound familiar to you, Ola recircle, Max Delly.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
XQ yeah, olay is that out with the flag?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Two man concept X clown's backside telling the X what
to do, but there was probably something in front telling
the other guys what to do.
Speaker 9 (11:04):
Yes, And then we had like toga they called it
ten ten two ends, two ends.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
We had to topper topper.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
To two posts.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (11:14):
Yeah, so that that was that was the offense, and
you know, I had to learn how to play receiver
in a way that I just really didn't know how
to play receiver at that time, you know, going to Utah.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
I was.
Speaker 9 (11:27):
I was actually in college, junior college. I was a
Z originally.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (11:32):
Well, my wide receivers coach in college switched me to
AX because I'm right handed, but I'm left hand dominant.
So I would be at Z with the ball in
my left hand and I was stiff on my right right. Well,
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they come and just poke it out. So they moved
me to ACTS. And that's how I became an.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
AXE because of how you handled the ball.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Because I I handled the ball bro It.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Was not only to carry the ball in my left arm,
because I was a four back, everything left left. I
was the same way because I was in Pop Warner.
I was the four back and a wishbone offense, and
I always ran left, and so you always kept it
on the outside, and so I would always, even to
this day that my most comfortable side was my left
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side holding the ball, which is very unorthodox for right
handed guys.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So you turned into an X in college because your
right hand, you're better with the ball in your left,
so you give the stiffy, and in this point of
your career you were still kind of feeling your feeling
on how to learn how to play receiver in this offense,
that Charlie Weiss style offense.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So is this clown route? Is it like a bow post?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yes, it's so because you inside released and then you
stemmed up and then you hit them with the outside
with the couple because.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It was it was, it was. It was built off Q.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, you know you was just a bow.
Speaker 9 (13:03):
Yes, So it was built off the Q because I
ran it so well, yeah, stem inside, get vertical, get vertical,
go to the corner. Yeah, so I'll stem inside and
I just went. But I ran the one and I leaned.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
But the reason I leaned to make him think it
was going a shitty bow.
Speaker 9 (13:24):
Yes, but it was also the lean was to put
my foot in the ground to go, yes, sir.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
People people don't realize you were primarily an X. Like
people try to put you in like categories where you
were No. Steve Smith was the most you're probably the
most dominant X in my eyes of all time under
six foot like you like and you, but you didn't
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play like you were. It was fucking amazing to me
to watch you play. When you could run by people,
you could run the routes that I ran and I
specialized in, but you could win on a go route.
You could stack a guy, run away from a guy,
and you were so dynamic with the ball and strong
bottom legs like you never got down like and you like,
it's fucking crazy that it all stemmed back to the
(14:15):
coach in college.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I say, hey, you only hold it in your left
I think we got to put you at X.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
It was it was a problem.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
That's fucking gat up.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Next we've got Pooka Nakua. I'm becoming Matthew Stafford's go
to receiver.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Chemistry between you and Matthew Stafford, when did you feel
that chemistry actually ignite? And like you knew you were
gonna have this ten catch game going into the week
two where you're gonna have the performance you have.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
So rookie mini camp, we come, we get drafted, we
show up.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And then there's like two weeks after that the rookies
got to stay.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
After everybody else goes and everybody's leaving, but except me
and my roommate Davis Allen. He was the I was
one seventy seven. He was one seventy five, two picks
in front of me. We're at the hotel together. We're
both rookie, so we're staying and everybody's going We're like, oh,
we're going to stay, and we get a text of
like yo from one of our strength coaches like, yo,
Matthew wants you to come out and catch for like
(15:09):
Higgs is going to be there or other wide receiver
Van Jefferson's going to be there, and they're like he
wants you to come out and be like yo for real,
like out of all the guys on the team, like
he asked me and like my roommates to come out.
And I was like, yo, I got to run the
best routes of my life. If I cannot drop a ball,
like it's got to be as good or it's got
to be the best route run I've ever had in
my life. And the first day and like you've thrown
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with him, like you see when like you're coming out
of breaks and like the ball's in the perfect spot
every time, and be like, yo, if I keep my
feet and like as long as I can see the
ball spin for a second, I'm like this is I'm
like he is not missing. Like whether it's upfield, we're
running an out route, puts on your front shoulder.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
You can turn, tap and turn to get out of the side.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
And you're running ont a crow break, it's on your
inside path, so you can drop step and turn over
your inside shoulder.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And that was like, holy colch.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Are you basically telling me that you guys had instant chemistry?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I mean low kielt I felt like first, Yeah, I
was like.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Honestly, I'm not gonna I'm not even gonna second guess
that because I went with him once to Golden West. Yeah,
we threw together. I think we threw forty five balls.
I think we went forty five for forty five We
never even met each other. That's how elite his arm
talent is. He like like Puka was saying, the ball
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come right out there, right out that break is right
on your forehead, literally right up on your forehead, and
he just over here slings it now.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Steve Smith Senior on the greatness of Davonte Adams and
his own mentality as a route runner.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
My favorite old guys too, Like so I still think
Davonte Adams is still that guy. He's not gonna he's
never been a four to three guy, but his releases
are remarkable, just the way he does his hands, ball placement,
catch radius, body control, tempo.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Sudden burst really good sudden burst, and then his.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
Creativity to stack you even though he's not faster than you.
So just him being able to use his leverage. So like,
I look at that, But then there's other guys I
think that that are promising, who have the ability.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Who's someone that you think that kind of reminds you
of you, if there's anyone, see, So people ask that
and hard to do that. So the reason why I did.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I'm not judging you.
Speaker 9 (17:25):
The reason why I have a hard time answering that
question is because I also remember that I was supposed
to be a fit front draft pick. I was also
told I was just a returner. So now that I'm
domb playing, everybody's like, oh, he minds me, you But
when I was playing, people didn't like me, and so
you didn't like me. And then there's you know, we
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read our stuff on there and they're like, oh, you know,
people like, oh, Steve was just a slot receiver.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And really it was I didn't know that.
Speaker 9 (17:54):
I think the game has changed, but I also think
there are players out there who don't remind me of myself,
because I think they are significantly better. I played the
way I played because I was obviously I did like
I didn't have quick feet like Chad like I can do.
I couldn't do great cone drills. I round in my routes.
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I never ran the right I never ran the same
route the same way. So they were things that I
did that I used as my advantage. But I ran
my routes kind of add like I was never consistent
on doing things. I did it my way. Yeah, and
but I was really just kind of like covering for
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the fact that, man, I was just playing on hope
of the prayer yea. And so that's just kind of
like I know I was playing with house money, right,
I know that, So just roll the dice, say, man,
put all the chips in. So when I go across
the middle and I know I'm gonna get hit, you
got a choice to get hit with the ball, oh
without the ball. And so a few times like all right,
(19:03):
I get hit with the ball. Now I get up
and I'm like, man, you know a guy used to
hit me. He'd be like, oh, what you want with that,
and so I started getting up like if you think
you crazy, I'm crazier.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And so it was more like the feed into.
Speaker 9 (19:16):
Like to intimidate and show bron be.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Here all day, your best didn't hurt me.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
No.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Cooper Cup is up next, talking about the unconscious competence
you need as a receiver.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Man, there's just so much you can do better, so
many things, so many details that you can press yourself on,
and like, you know, what kind of tools can at
your tool belt as counters to what worked?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Like what worked? How are people going to stop it?
How do I counter that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And you're in the point of your career where you
could watch film and you can go practice off a
specific look of how it may not have went your way,
and you could put that and play that game in
your mind. And you're probably at the point where you're
running routes. Oh yeah, you're running yeah exactly. I mean
you get better playing football, playing football.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yep, exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I think there's there's a few different steps that just
like the visualization side of things of where you're like,
you know, I'm I know, my wife knows, I'm laying
in bed and suddenly I'll just be like, wow, flinch out.
I look like what were you doing there? What was happening? Yeah,
I got to take I was running this route. It's
safety was driving down you know, like it's like it's real.
It's like you get to this point where you're visualizing
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things to the point where your body is like reacting
to it and you're going and you take next step
and now we're OK, we're running routes on air, and
we don't run routes on air just to run routes
on their Like there's an intent mind what you're doing.
You're you're seeing, Hey, this is how this dB is
playing us. Let's rest run this route. And I'm talking
to Matthew, Hey is three carry? It's a tight carry
out side, Like how we want to run this route
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on this one? What angles are we coming out at?
So now you're running routes on air and you're visualizing
these things. So now when it does come time that
you're competing, you've seen that, you've seen it, you visualize that,
you've felt all those steps that you're gonna take. You've
seen how he's gonna play and react to each movie
you're gonna do. At that point, once you're playing the game,
it's like I've taken this rep over and over and
over again.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Already used to call that DejaVu.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
You practice so much once you're doing the game, it's
like deja voo. That's a great feeling too, It is,
you know what, People don't realize the amount of reps
you put into a play for it to work, because
there's like twenty different looks you can have. And when
you practice it and you rep it over over and
(21:28):
over with an intent, like Cooper said, and you use
those reps once you get to game day, it's in
your subconscious yep. So once you can react faster and
you get to use your athleticism more because once you
know what's coming, then that's when techniques and your superpowers
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get to come out.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Exactly when when your mind's on, your body's off all
of the time, Right when you can get to the
point where your mind's seeing it so much that that's
now subconscious. Sean McVay calls it unconscious competence. Right when
you unconscious. I bet you he's got some sayings. What
other sayns does he have he's got?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Is you gotta let him come? Natch? I can't just
start pulling him out of thing. Keep it in the back.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
So we had this rep right here, Keep that in
your subconscious. If something comes along in this next part
of the interview, just pop a flag it.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Flag it.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Did you say that you like would wake up like
dreaming about reps.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Oh yeah, no, this isn't just this is like a
full on like like I'm awake, laying in bed and
I'm just visualized. It's it's playing so clearly in my head,
what's happening that my body is reacting to what's happening
in those moments, and it's it's it's it's become it's
honestly become a problem to the point where it's like,
ysh if if we're like my wife's like laying on me,
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it's and I'm daydreamers like that, like she can get
like like boom, I move actually like her head's popping
up off my shoulder.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
It's a it's a problem.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
So we've had to we've had to figure out how
to like, you know, balance those things a little bit so.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That we're not hurting each other.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I'm gonna illgal hands. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Remember to tune in every Tuesday for a brand new
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Speaker 9 (23:17):
Mm hmmmmmmm
Welcome to Games and Names.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm Julian Edelman, and we've got a brand new compilation,
Highlight Reel starting now now.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Cooper Cup talks about wide receiver techniques, receivers and art form.
No one, doesn't you do it different than this? Goes
back to the same conversation. It's like, you know, there's
there's Picasso and brother Tis, Michael Donald Tello, Raphaels, there
(00:32):
is there is so like, uh, there's all these different
ways to do it. Yeah, right, And so I'm like,
I don't want to get stuck just knowing one way.
I want to have some other stuff I can do
and force me to kind of go and learn from people.
I remember before the twenty my second year, before the
twenty eighteen season, It's it's Friday before we report on
Tuesday for training camp, and I'm with Curse Conway.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, who's that the receiver?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, from with team Bears.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Bears.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
So I I want what year?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I think at the point I'm with Conway and where
we show up on I show up on Friday, like
we're easing to take me through some girls. I want
to get, you know, perspective. I want to see someone
else take me to through stuff. A lot of the
times I go with someone and I might spend a
few days working out with someone and be like, I
grabbed one thing that I want to like take with me, right.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Sometimes there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Sometimes like man, there's just a treasure trove of stuff
that I want to use here. Yeah, there with Curse
Conway and we ran a curl route for an hour straight,
an hour shift a curl route three days before training camp.
My toes were I pulled my cleats off toes bloodied,
gone gone every year yeah gone, you know, so you go, yeah,
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but I want to go here for someone want to
hear something something different?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And what was his technique? How was it different? You
know he attacked the leverage guy or was he just
goes straight up in the back.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
We did attack.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
We did more attack the leverage stuff in terms of
like the stems and things like that. But I don't
even remember if it was from him that I like
pull this, But it was kind of the beginning of
this idea of like, as a receiver, I never want
to think of myself as as slowing down.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I want to decelerate, right.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I want to always be thinking I'm accelerating so even
when I get to the top of a route, I
want to accelerate down into the ground, right, Like, what's
the what one of the best stoppers in the world javelin, right,
Javelin comes down stops right. So I want to be
like a javel where I'm running and I want that angle.
I want to accelerate down at forty five and when
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I'm accelerating, put my foot down.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You know what Newton says energy potential.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yes, he also says every force is an equal and
opposite reaction, right, So if I accelerate down into the ground, right,
the ground's gonna stop me, push back against me.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Starting go somewhere.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And now, as a dB you see me accelerating.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I'm accelerating down towards the ground, and you're backing up right,
but I'm stopping.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, but you have to have your technique and right
in your body all that.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Oh, there's so much I like they're running curls for
an hour, get.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
My feet bloodied.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Like yeah, I probably didn't grab a whole lot of
stuff from it, but it was like the beginning of
this thought, like, man, how do I want to stop now?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Poking akua on developing alongside Cooper Cup You're.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Running indie drills and like everybody's getting ready to line up,
and I'm like, yo, I'm gonna make my way to
the front right behind Coop. Yeah, I'm gonna make my
way to the front to be number two, just so
I can watch him.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Go watch his whole rep.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Watch how you like doing everything, whether it's routes on air,
it was the cone drills, or he were going up
in one on ones, like like yeah, and then when
I got to go run the reps with him, I'm like,
all right, Coop, like hey, we got this, or like
we're lined up two by two and we're going to
wear in a stack and it's me and Coop would
be like, all right, what are you about to do
right here? I'm like and he'd be like, all right,
I think I'm about to get inside leverage and then
I'm gonna work in I'm a cross face and then
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I'm a one two at the top and be like
all right, and we're like we're as we're going out,
like we're still kind of talking to me, like oh,
and then you watch him say exactly do exactly what
he said was gonna go to be like holy cow,
Like this is how football should feel like. Man, there's
a different type of feeling when you get to go
and watch somebody because they're giving all these cues that man,
you're like, oh, I just have my I have my
corner route right here.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
I'm gonna find a way. And he's like, all right, No,
it's gonna look like this. He's gonna roll down, he's
gonna play outside leverage. I'm gonna get to his inside shower.
I'm a one to him at the top and I'm
gonna win. And then he would go one to him
at the top and he would win and be like,
damn cool.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Next up, Antonio Gates breaks down his record setting touchdown.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Catch you just in the moment, you know, I'm looking
at the side of I'm reading my side of the field.
I don't got time trying to read the whole scan
the whole field. What's it was like a sticky pump,
you know, And I'm looking at the back yardstick and
go and go right, come around right. I knew it was.
I felt like it was zone, you know. And I gotta, man,
(04:49):
mind you, I gotta I gotta guess this. When after
my first.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Two steps is this, Uh, who's this on?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Is this on a linebacker?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah? This is on line back.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
It felt like it felt like cover four if I
can look at it. It felt like he was going
to try to push. Yeah, but it was like two safeties.
So it's hard to determine because we in the red zone, right,
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's hard.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
It's hard to determine. But me, I don't even That
was the beauty of not playing either. I don't overthink nothing.
I just go play, you know what I'm saying. Because
when you got this football high iq, you come down,
you can overthink it's still football, it's green grass, or
it ain't.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Just play, you know what I'm saying. That was my philosophy.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Once I ran up on him, I realized he was
He stayed inside, he didn't push right, so I'm thinking, like, well,
the corner didn't look like he was squatting.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So that's why I kind of trying to figure out what.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Was cover six?
Speaker 7 (05:38):
It was four, it was two, you know what, Let
me just get back around here. I felt like it's
some type of zone, right, which I felt like it
was cover four because he drove it safety drove it.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So hard, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
So I ended up just trying to loop around and
get around the linebacker with the idea of, if it's four,
let me give him a little something because he's going
to have to go.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
He's trying to get unerneath me. Yeah, it's going to
have to go if it's four. Yeah, and if it's true.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
So basically my idea is that if it's two, I
can still just come on and come around him flatter.
I gotta come flatter. If it's four, I gotta still
come flat. Now I'm the safeties guy. Once I get
a straight lease, now I got to beat him.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Right.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
So the backer is not really the concern. It was
more so the safety. I've always used that formula anyway.
I ain't got time to worry about the first dude.
Whereas his help, right, So where you're gonna go? Yeah,
So I just kind of gave him listen. I felt
like he wasn't really moving. I said, there's no point
of me why and what? He ain't coming right? So
I just came, let's yeah two three for two, three
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for two, that's what it might have been. So, and
I've seen enough of those coverages to know. Yeah, I
got there a lot with like Danny when Danny was
on our team, So I got the like I was
darren spros.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
We get him in the slot formation as.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
A backer, linebacker, safety, whatever, so we know it's three
for to take. I go over here at the back
of got me. I go vertical to the safety, got me.
I always trying to figure out what the help was at.
I never thought about the actual guy who's carvering me
in my mind and to me, I was gonna beat
him where it's his help that determines his levers, that's
going to determine how he's shade, how he's moving. And
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I felt like he didn't really move with no point
of me getting.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Wide and you had to get open on him for
you to get the ball. Yeah, because you know that's
what the quarterback seeing.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, now Danny A.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Mondola breaks down the double pass is.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Through the pass eat by beat.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Well.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
We got to start by the full season.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
Really, I think we never We practiced it a couple
maybe three times, whether it be in a walkthrough.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
We put it in like week two, we put it
in me too.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
We actually ran it against We had it called with
an alert versus right, yeah, versus Kansas City on that
Monday night game, and they gave us a man look,
so we had to get a check out of it,
run a slat backside with Jojo Lefello, who took it
to the house actually, but because as they gave us
a man look, we couldn't run it. So it got
called off and then we didn't see it again until
(08:04):
I think we ran in a walk through it and
we missed it in the walk.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Through, and the walkthrough missed it the night before the game. Yeah,
so the coaches are freaking out there, like scrap it.
Speaker 8 (08:14):
These slappies can't complete a pass. And then and then
they called it in the game and we got the
right look and then ended up working out.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Man, remember this ball, let me see I remember, I
remember the.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Way it feels. Oh yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 8 (08:31):
It's a little wobbly though, was it a was it
a complete spiral or no?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It was a just wanted to get out there. I
thought I overthrew them.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Now like Doling, I get this, hey little jogger run
he catches it, little high.
Speaker 8 (08:46):
Step in the end zone, tracked it down. That was
That was the loudest I've ever heard Foxborough. Well, we
were down fourteen points twice in that game. That was
the second time.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I tied it up at twenty eight. I tied
it up at twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
They went up fourteen zero, then we went to fourteen fourteen,
then they went up twenty eight to fourteen.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, you remember the lead up to this, Josh, No,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Josh just came up to me in the drive before,
he is I don't need to give you any lead
time for for the dope pass, do I. I'm like, no,
I'm good. Yeah, sitting there shitting my pants out there.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, thinking about the walk through the night before. Yeah,
what were you thinking when you let that ball fly?
I thought I overthrew you.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
No, I was good. I was I was jogging too, Bud,
I don't know right in the stride, didn't even have
to turn the jets on.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Steve Smith Senior is up next, talking about becoming the
X receiver, and we.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Had practiced the play is called X Clown.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
We practiced that play so many times and me and
Jay could not get on the same page.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I'll run it this way, he threw it that way,
he threw it this way.
Speaker 9 (09:52):
I wouldn't run it that way, and it just just seemed.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Like it was not gonna work. And then when they
called it a game, it worked twice.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You guys hit it twice.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Now the X clown So what there's verbiage probably for
the protection and there's something else or does that tell
everyone what to do?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
So this is where ball is.
Speaker 9 (10:17):
This is the part where some people don't like that
actually know ball. You know, they kind of think that
I don't know ball. And people always talk about you know,
especially with my stuff, they always talk about Steve just
he just talks. And the offense we were running that
year was Dan Henny yeah, w tree from that tree
(10:44):
is from Charlie Weiss, which means we had maybe if
these words sound familiar to you, Ola recircle, Max Delly.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
XQ yeah, olay is that out with the flag?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Two man concept X clown's backside telling the X what
to do, but there was probably something in front telling
the other guys what to do.
Speaker 9 (11:04):
Yes, And then we had like toga they called it
ten ten two ends, two ends.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
We had to topper topper.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
To two posts.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (11:14):
Yeah, so that that was that was the offense, and
you know, I had to learn how to play receiver
in a way that I just really didn't know how
to play receiver at that time, you know, going to Utah.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
I was.
Speaker 9 (11:27):
I was actually in college, junior college. I was a
Z originally.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (11:32):
Well, my wide receivers coach in college switched me to
AX because I'm right handed, but I'm left hand dominant.
So I would be at Z with the ball in
my left hand and I was stiff on my right right. Well,
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they come and just poke it out. So they moved
me to ACTS. And that's how I became an.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
AXE because of how you handled the ball.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Because I I handled the ball bro It.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Was not only to carry the ball in my left arm,
because I was a four back, everything left left. I
was the same way because I was in Pop Warner.
I was the four back and a wishbone offense, and
I always ran left, and so you always kept it
on the outside, and so I would always, even to
this day that my most comfortable side was my left
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side holding the ball, which is very unorthodox for right
handed guys.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So you turned into an X in college because your
right hand, you're better with the ball in your left,
so you give the stiffy, and in this point of
your career you were still kind of feeling your feeling
on how to learn how to play receiver in this offense,
that Charlie Weiss style offense.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So is this clown route? Is it like a bow post?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yes, it's so because you inside released and then you
stemmed up and then you hit them with the outside
with the couple because.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It was it was, it was. It was built off Q.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, you know you was just a bow.
Speaker 9 (13:03):
Yes, So it was built off the Q because I
ran it so well, yeah, stem inside, get vertical, get vertical,
go to the corner. Yeah, so I'll stem inside and
I just went. But I ran the one and I leaned.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
But the reason I leaned to make him think it
was going a shitty bow.
Speaker 9 (13:24):
Yes, but it was also the lean was to put
my foot in the ground to go, yes, sir.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
People people don't realize you were primarily an X. Like
people try to put you in like categories where you
were No. Steve Smith was the most you're probably the
most dominant X in my eyes of all time under
six foot like you like and you, but you didn't
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play like you were. It was fucking amazing to me
to watch you play. When you could run by people,
you could run the routes that I ran and I
specialized in, but you could win on a go route.
You could stack a guy, run away from a guy,
and you were so dynamic with the ball and strong
bottom legs like you never got down like and you like,
it's fucking crazy that it all stemmed back to the
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coach in college.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I say, hey, you only hold it in your left
I think we got to put you at X.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
It was it was a problem.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
That's fucking gat up.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Next we've got Pooka Nakua. I'm becoming Matthew Stafford's go
to receiver.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Chemistry between you and Matthew Stafford, when did you feel
that chemistry actually ignite? And like you knew you were
gonna have this ten catch game going into the week
two where you're gonna have the performance you have.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
So rookie mini camp, we come, we get drafted, we
show up.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And then there's like two weeks after that the rookies
got to stay.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
After everybody else goes and everybody's leaving, but except me
and my roommate Davis Allen. He was the I was
one seventy seven. He was one seventy five, two picks
in front of me. We're at the hotel together. We're
both rookie, so we're staying and everybody's going We're like, oh,
we're going to stay, and we get a text of
like yo from one of our strength coaches like, yo,
Matthew wants you to come out and catch for like
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Higgs is going to be there or other wide receiver
Van Jefferson's going to be there, and they're like he
wants you to come out and be like yo for real,
like out of all the guys on the team, like
he asked me and like my roommates to come out.
And I was like, yo, I got to run the
best routes of my life. If I cannot drop a ball,
like it's got to be as good or it's got
to be the best route run I've ever had in
my life. And the first day and like you've thrown
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with him, like you see when like you're coming out
of breaks and like the ball's in the perfect spot
every time, and be like, yo, if I keep my
feet and like as long as I can see the
ball spin for a second, I'm like this is I'm
like he is not missing. Like whether it's upfield, we're
running an out route, puts on your front shoulder.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
You can turn, tap and turn to get out of the side.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
And you're running ont a crow break, it's on your
inside path, so you can drop step and turn over
your inside shoulder.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And that was like, holy colch.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Are you basically telling me that you guys had instant chemistry?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I mean low kielt I felt like first, Yeah, I
was like.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Honestly, I'm not gonna I'm not even gonna second guess
that because I went with him once to Golden West. Yeah,
we threw together. I think we threw forty five balls.
I think we went forty five for forty five We
never even met each other. That's how elite his arm
talent is. He like like Puka was saying, the ball
(16:23):
come right out there, right out that break is right
on your forehead, literally right up on your forehead, and
he just over here slings it now.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Steve Smith Senior on the greatness of Davonte Adams and
his own mentality as a route runner.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
My favorite old guys too, Like so I still think
Davonte Adams is still that guy. He's not gonna he's
never been a four to three guy, but his releases
are remarkable, just the way he does his hands, ball placement,
catch radius, body control, tempo.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Sudden burst really good sudden burst, and then his.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
Creativity to stack you even though he's not faster than you.
So just him being able to use his leverage. So like,
I look at that, But then there's other guys I
think that that are promising, who have the ability.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Who's someone that you think that kind of reminds you
of you, if there's anyone, see, So people ask that
and hard to do that. So the reason why I did.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I'm not judging you.
Speaker 9 (17:25):
The reason why I have a hard time answering that
question is because I also remember that I was supposed
to be a fit front draft pick. I was also
told I was just a returner. So now that I'm
domb playing, everybody's like, oh, he minds me, you But
when I was playing, people didn't like me, and so
you didn't like me. And then there's you know, we
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read our stuff on there and they're like, oh, you know,
people like, oh, Steve was just a slot receiver.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And really it was I didn't know that.
Speaker 9 (17:54):
I think the game has changed, but I also think
there are players out there who don't remind me of myself,
because I think they are significantly better. I played the
way I played because I was obviously I did like
I didn't have quick feet like Chad like I can do.
I couldn't do great cone drills. I round in my routes.
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I never ran the right I never ran the same
route the same way. So they were things that I
did that I used as my advantage. But I ran
my routes kind of add like I was never consistent
on doing things. I did it my way. Yeah, and
but I was really just kind of like covering for
(18:40):
the fact that, man, I was just playing on hope
of the prayer yea. And so that's just kind of
like I know I was playing with house money, right,
I know that, So just roll the dice, say, man,
put all the chips in. So when I go across
the middle and I know I'm gonna get hit, you
got a choice to get hit with the ball, oh
without the ball. And so a few times like all right,
(19:03):
I get hit with the ball. Now I get up
and I'm like, man, you know a guy used to
hit me. He'd be like, oh, what you want with that,
and so I started getting up like if you think
you crazy, I'm crazier.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And so it was more like the feed into.
Speaker 9 (19:16):
Like to intimidate and show bron be.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Here all day, your best didn't hurt me.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
No.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Cooper Cup is up next, talking about the unconscious competence
you need as a receiver.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Man, there's just so much you can do better, so
many things, so many details that you can press yourself on,
and like, you know, what kind of tools can at
your tool belt as counters to what worked?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Like what worked? How are people going to stop it?
How do I counter that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And you're in the point of your career where you
could watch film and you can go practice off a
specific look of how it may not have went your way,
and you could put that and play that game in
your mind. And you're probably at the point where you're
running routes. Oh yeah, you're running yeah exactly. I mean
you get better playing football, playing football.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yep, exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I think there's there's a few different steps that just
like the visualization side of things of where you're like,
you know, I'm I know, my wife knows, I'm laying
in bed and suddenly I'll just be like, wow, flinch out.
I look like what were you doing there? What was happening? Yeah,
I got to take I was running this route. It's
safety was driving down you know, like it's like it's real.
It's like you get to this point where you're visualizing
(20:25):
things to the point where your body is like reacting
to it and you're going and you take next step
and now we're OK, we're running routes on air, and
we don't run routes on air just to run routes
on their Like there's an intent mind what you're doing.
You're you're seeing, Hey, this is how this dB is
playing us. Let's rest run this route. And I'm talking
to Matthew, Hey is three carry? It's a tight carry
out side, Like how we want to run this route
(20:45):
on this one? What angles are we coming out at?
So now you're running routes on air and you're visualizing
these things. So now when it does come time that
you're competing, you've seen that, you've seen it, you visualize that,
you've felt all those steps that you're gonna take. You've
seen how he's gonna play and react to each movie
you're gonna do. At that point, once you're playing the game,
it's like I've taken this rep over and over and
over again.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Already used to call that DejaVu.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
You practice so much once you're doing the game, it's
like deja voo. That's a great feeling too, It is,
you know what, People don't realize the amount of reps
you put into a play for it to work, because
there's like twenty different looks you can have. And when
you practice it and you rep it over over and
(21:28):
over with an intent, like Cooper said, and you use
those reps once you get to game day, it's in
your subconscious yep. So once you can react faster and
you get to use your athleticism more because once you
know what's coming, then that's when techniques and your superpowers
(21:48):
get to come out.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Exactly when when your mind's on, your body's off all
of the time, Right when you can get to the
point where your mind's seeing it so much that that's
now subconscious. Sean McVay calls it unconscious competence. Right when
you unconscious. I bet you he's got some sayings. What
other sayns does he have he's got?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Is you gotta let him come? Natch? I can't just
start pulling him out of thing. Keep it in the back.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
So we had this rep right here, Keep that in
your subconscious. If something comes along in this next part
of the interview, just pop a flag it.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Flag it.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Did you say that you like would wake up like
dreaming about reps.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Oh yeah, no, this isn't just this is like a
full on like like I'm awake, laying in bed and
I'm just visualized. It's it's playing so clearly in my head,
what's happening that my body is reacting to what's happening
in those moments, and it's it's it's it's become it's
honestly become a problem to the point where it's like,
ysh if if we're like my wife's like laying on me,
(22:48):
it's and I'm daydreamers like that, like she can get
like like boom, I move actually like her head's popping
up off my shoulder.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
It's a it's a problem.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
So we've had to we've had to figure out how
to like, you know, balance those things a little bit so.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That we're not hurting each other.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I'm gonna illgal hands. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Remember to tune in every Tuesday for a brand new
episode and every Sunday for another games with names Highlight Year.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
Mm hmmmmmmm
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